OM Rates

[flint plover]

You should try specs on Typhlosion-H, the team has good enough speed control already and is a wall breaker with few answers, campable to even 2hko blissey (even spD bliss if you tera)

give HDB to blissey, is one of the main reasons to use it over chansey and you will find a lot of trademarked hazards on ladder that you will not keep up with just iron treads

[raven cipher]

Maybe replace pult?

Sorry late reply, I fell asleep

[sacred oriole]

Pult has a ton of synergy with Typhlosion and is great Speed control, I would b emor elikely to replace Treads

[raven cipher]

If I replace treads I don’t think I will have any hazards other than tspikes

[nimble jasper]

https://pokepast.es/0b72ba357068e4e0

[surreal portal]

generally many of these mons aren't great offensive options

namely you generally want to avoid choice item users on HO but all of these (bar pawmot i guess) just aren't good

and idk why you have a physdef regenvest treads

[nimble jasper]

Well I got on 1500 with it lol

[golden tendon]

Enamorous is banned I’m so happy

[high trellis]

Its still 100% doggy dog dog

[nimble jasper]

I didn't deny

That

[nimble jasper]

U got a team for aaa?

[high trellis]

Im getting my enam replacement gimme a sec

[nimble jasper]

Alr

[high trellis]

Done (i think)

[nimble jasper]

Show some broken aaa teams.

[high trellis]

Best i can do is show you broken pre home teams

Or broken sets right now

[nimble jasper]

Show in dms.

[merry nimbus]

RMT https://pokepast.es/0f51b699d931cddc

im not a team rater or a good player by any means but I personally think Calm Mind is more useful on Scream Tail than Encore

take my advice with a grain of salt tho lmao im horrible

I just find with my personal experiences that Encore doesnt do much for Scream Tail and Calm Mind increases SpA

which is nice

correct me if im wrong tho

[merry nimbus]

it also makes scream tail bulkier

also nice

[high trellis]

Cm allows big jiggs to beat stuff eventually

However, encore is more immediate in punishing stuff

[golden tendon]

idk if I’ve ever seen a Jigglypuff in AAA but I just use encore to punish setup sweepers or screen setters

[echo lodge]

He's talking about scream tail

[urban arch]

@sacred oriole

https://pokepast.es/a8914716dec7c21b

[sacred oriole]

this team is very slow

[urban arch]

i have realised

but i can't do anything about it

[sacred oriole]

Etern / Zac teams have the two fastest mons on the field

[urban arch]

it's ogre

scarf ogre is probably fine

[sacred oriole]

you need a scarfer or something with strong priorty

[urban arch]

loom is there to choke on the regular ogre checks

also the koraidon mu seems kinda dire?

lando is

ok ig

not really

[sacred oriole]

Surely breloom wants some bulk here

[urban arch]

no

you kinda do need max atk max spe

[surreal portal]

ok my question is how do you ever beat gastro

[urban arch]

cm in its face

breloom can hard switch into it all day

that's the point of breloom

is to beat ogre checks

[surreal portal]

so neither player is actually making any progress

[urban arch]

toxic breloom makes progress

[surreal portal]

because ogre is being forced out and losing its sub

[sacred oriole]

SubCM sets up on Gastro right?

[urban arch]

ogre is scarf now

yes

[surreal portal]

idts

eq farms no?

[urban arch]

no

eq doesn't break sub

well i mean

depends on the spdef i think

but you have like 9 turns to do whatever

wait no

5

i think

anyways you're 2hkoing 115 spdef gastro at +4

and it does even better against clod so

subcm is ehhh but it's useable

no block sucks but whatever

it really shouldn't be this fat

i don't like balance atm

it's hard to build and answer all the threats defensively relatively consistently but that's probably a skill issue tbh

:(

[high trellis]

I refuse to call the paradox pokemon by their names

[golden tendon]

I see

I use Puff to pivot in then out with wish and stuff, encore is mad helpful

I might try CM tho

[void flame]

Well Winged King is a much cooler name than Koraidon

[high trellis]

winged king is the name it has when you read it in the pokedex

like "koraidon: the winged king pokemon"

not the mons name

[void flame]

It is it's paradox name tho

[flint plover]

Is actually The Paradox Pokémon, like all paradoxes, Winged King is the name it has in the paradox journal (that the dex makes reference to)

[normal marlin]

Ok dumb idea

“Great tusk, the great tusk Pokémon”

But for every. Single. Paradox form

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/4b0e235a87cb63c7
Godly Gift

[umbral lava]

New GG RMT @sacred oriole, @vast apex, @broken kestrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[urban arch]

looks like you can outplay most things

quite weak to sneasler tho

and ho stuff in general

[sand pendant]

https://pokepast.es/7c2a40db9e4e363e

freedom cup

thoughts?

[sacred oriole]

Freedom Cup is not an OM

we don't really have any raters for it, but your best bet might be #1060682530094862477?

[main sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/066f42ebcae40a38
@surreal portal
my first time building a BH team btw

[surreal portal]

probably the best thing i can say here is that the sets aren't great; the ideas behind them are cool but some of the mons (melo-p, heatran) aren't very good and the others are a bit flawed in their sets

dual screens + webs is generally something to be avoided (in pretty much any tier) because of how long it takes to get both up, and in addition pult cannot touch hazard removers at all

otherwise many of the sets have pretty notable issues with imposter chansey and there's not really any way to come back from opposing setup sweepers / wallbreakers like choice band koraidon or flare boost flutter mane

[main sequoia]

hmm, yeah, impostor chansey
do you have any other important advice for teambuilding besides these ones?
thank you for the help btw

[surreal portal]

the best advice i can probably give is:

• prep for imposter chansey, both on your offensive mons (making sure it can't just completely counter-sweep you) and defensive mons (not giving it too many free windows to steal your utility)
• bring hazard removal. by far the easiest to fit is a tidy up user like groudon, with mortal spin being a decent other option and -ate spin (usually pixilate) being good but only if you can already fit it
• ensure you aren't going to fold to common wallbreakers. at the minute, these are koraidon (choice band), flutter mane (choice specs pixilate, flare boost nasty plot), iron bundle (choice specs refrigerate), rayquaza (life orb mixed aerilate), arceus-ghost (ghost judgment + focus blast), and some more niche others like toxic groudon and specs eternatus. fur coat and ice scales users are by far the easiest ways to do this
• bring at least a few ways to handle setup mons. this can be imposter chansey but also haze, both on fur/scales mons and prankster users, as some sets (like arceus-ghost with spooky plate judgment) inherently 1v1 imp

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G6WLik158Shu2NMpGYe9dJbB0bnUgfqZJ5q0ECOt4g4/ this setpedia is a good point of reference because it has almost all of the relevant mons and their sets

[main sequoia]

Thank you so much
I appreciate your help

[main sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/410b8c507f3ad84f
@surreal portal
decided to make some changes based on ur advices

[surreal portal]

i think the main thing of note is that the zama-c set isn't great, both due to how hard it loses to imposter/ghosts and that cosmic power doesn't really make a tan of progress

i'd probably recommend icicle spear if you want technician caly-s, which may mean you need a different fur coat mon to improof; something like arceus-water can work

hazard leads are also just kinda bad in general, since this still has the same issues with all the progress being denied by any remover

[main sequoia]

Oh ok
Well, i didnt see you saying nothing about hoopa
Do you think its a good/decent set?

What kind of spatker set could do something against ice scales?

Anyway

Isnt mold breaker for immunities only?

[surreal portal]

i'm not really sure on the hoopa set in general. it can work, but i generally prefer physical hoopa

both in that it's able to force more KOs unboosted and is less likely to run into hard walls like calm mind arceus

[main sequoia]

Ok

[surreal portal]

the special moves hoopa would want to use are also generally just worse than the physical ones

stuff like v-create and wicked blow are much better

[main sequoia]

Oh i see
Also i didnt meant for what was he used for, i just didnt know that he was more uses than ignoring kind of immunities given by abilities

[main sequoia]

Should i replace SR by something else or make a different set?

[surreal portal]

completely different set imo

[main sequoia]

Any recommendation?

[main sequoia]

I mean
I need a sup, not exactly use pult for something

I guess the same thing i tried to make pult for

Maybe a screen setter with teleport and taunt/glare

[fossil cove]

https://pokepast.es/467dfc3ec93e4026

AAA

any rates or adivce would be great

[dusk pasture]

the structure of this team seems odd

you seem to be offense yet have a random regenvest garchomp there

which without pivot just sucks away momentum

choice scarf ceruledge is an odd set

i don't think beads of ruin glaceon is any good anymore

considerng all the new regenvest mons can take it neutrally fine

and otherwise it's just a slow rocks weaks breaker

not that offense with some defensive backbone can't work but you only have a regenvest garchomp (and would be better off without something with pivot like meloetta)

[fossil cove]

sooo

add defense and swap glaceon?

[dusk pasture]

you can add a screens lead setter over garchomp and replace a lot of your offensive mons with setup sweepers

alternatively run a basic core of corv + regenvest melo over chomp and one of your offensive threats and you run some kind of voltturn offense

although goltres seems like an odd fit onto that style so you'd probably need to replace it

[surreal portal]

if you're after a support option then this team doesn't really have a good way of limiting setup sweepers (pex lives special ones but not very well + does next to nothing back), so a prankster user over pult might be recommended

or alternatively some bulky anti-setup mon like regenvest ting-lu w/ dragon tail

[main sequoia]

what about giratina?

[surreal portal]

could work yeah

[main sequoia]

also
how common are priority counters in BH?

[surreal portal]

haze can't be countered by anti-priority if you're asking

otherwise psychic surge/dazzling are basically absent

[main sequoia]

i know, thats not about haze
im asking because of other strat with cal ice i was considering to use

[main sequoia]

good

[surreal portal]

fridgespeed? you're going to be much more concerned with stuff simply living the hits more than blocking espeed

[main sequoia]

humm
yeah... i havent thought about that

@surreal portal
maybe? idk if two status con are a good idea, but idk whatelse i can use in this set

ah

yes

maybe teleport as slow pivot

[surreal portal]

needs non-sap recovery

[main sequoia]

okay
then recover/slack off
now, which one
nuzzle or teleport
actually u-turn over teleport because full status can be a problem for taunt users i guess
btw
do you care about these pings? i dont want to be annoying for you

[surreal portal]

taunt users for the most part don't exist so teleport vs u-turn basically comes down to whether you want to get bullied by the occasional taunt user or not underspeeding regenvests

[main sequoia]

hmm ok

[main sequoia]

@surreal portal
What do you say about it?
I dont have any idea if it can work well

[surreal portal]

the main issue with prank copycat stuff is that its typically never been sufficient to break through bulkier options, and crit v-create can fall under this too, especially given how hard imposter beats it

marowak-a in gen 8 was bad but it at least did damage thanks to thick club + not needing any setup turns + it could smoke the one dark-type that tried to wall it

this doesn't fare so well imo

[main sequoia]

Hmm i see
About impostor
Is there any other viable imposter user besides chansey?

[surreal portal]

blissey is technically better if you want a different item like covert cloak, but chansey is almost always the better call

pikachu exists with light ball but needs the entire team dedicated to helping it sweep

nothing else is viable

[main sequoia]

Alright
Thanks, again

@surreal portal
How can i counter impostor chansey without DT/whirlwind/roar?

[surreal portal]

it depends on the set you're trying to counter

and whether the set imposter-proofs itself (with something like judgment or spirit shackle) or if a teammate's doing it

[main sequoia]

Uh
Can you elaborate
Guess im kinda dumb to not get it

[surreal portal]

some pokemon are able to beat imposter by themselves, usually with a plate + judgment (as the imposter user lacks the plate, they have normal-type judge, which you can take advantage of)

whereas for others you need teammates to handle their imposters

[main sequoia]

Oh
I see now

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[oak topaz]

Pikachu is borderline not viable

Because choice + tera is the same damage as light ball

Team is lacking in checks to meta threats

that just means koraidon beats that team regardless

light ball pika copied koraidon = band tera koraidon damage

and if you para koraidon its already not a threat

[main sequoia]

Considering that most people use tidy up as hazzard cleaner
Is it a good idea use Tspikes+court change for choice banded and guts users?

[fossil cove]

https://pokepast.es/26f63dc462c839c1 does this work?

[dusk pasture]

it's better yeah

you probably want ice spinner to threaten the flying types though

dunno if fluffy is that worth investing into

beads tatsu is ehh as well

[fossil cove]

i could do shell smash poltea instead of tatsu

or lilligant

[fossil cove]

just recreated the team
https://pokepast.es/f81763a8ca7ee07f

[main sequoia]

@surreal portal
this one might wall imposter chansey i guess

[surreal portal]

it technically does beat imp but draco plate + judgment instead of globe + dragon energy sacrifices a significant amount of damage

[main sequoia]

guess i cant really avoid use of dragon tail then
i was trying to avoid use of most famous/obvious sets but this seem to be a bad thing after all

like

i know axe kick is better than combat torque but i hate anything that can fuck me up with acc lower than 100

[main sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/d7771cdbbcfd21f4 (BH)
Updated my team again
Hope im making some progress with this teambuilding

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[main sequoia]

Oh shit i forgot to change arceus nature

[surreal portal]

so a few of these sets are a little jank; namely, giratina's pretty fodder for imposter, cottonpress zamac doesn't self-improof (you don't want to get wisped), and hoopa generally wants wicked blow over wicked torque

in this case, axe kick also matters for OHKOing ting-lu at +1, so dealing with the lowered accuracy is kinda necessary (also isn't a great improof here)

[main sequoia]

Why wicked blow over wicked torque?

If wicked blow doesnt get sheer force boost

[surreal portal]

just does higher damage, even despite sheer force

[main sequoia]

Oh ok

[main sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/1a7089b3eb2f0ee3 (BH)
updated my team again

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[main sequoia]

What pokemon can be koraidon check
Except flutter mane

[main sequoia]

I would like to have some tips of improvement
As yoy said, im still new at BH

[fossil cove]

https://pokepast.es/939d4dd4303e4b6d (bh)

[surreal portal]

i think this is mostly sound but palkia should be modest + this looks like it doesn't appreciate ice scales arceus or opposing scales chansey with tera

there's also no hazard removal here

[main sequoia]

who is a better option

Knock immunity?

[surreal portal]

yeah items that can be used to cause forme changes can't be knocked off

arceus + plate (any plate; can be the wrong one for its forme), dialga + adamant crystal, palkia + lustrous globe, giratina + griseous core (note that the orbs can be knocked)

note that they only give knock immunity if held by the mon whose forme they change; something like palkia can have a plate knocked

[late laurel]

https://pokepast.es/3b91d0fd8296d0ac (trademarked) is this good-

And are the nicknames good😋

[late laurel]

Alright thanks

[sacred oriole]

Swords Dance, Nasty Plot, and Wisp are all restricted

This team is not legal

[late laurel]

Oh Shi they are

Well uh

guess I’m not playing trademarked now, back to ffa or natdex

[normal marlin]

Honestly i might make a TM team now

[vast apex]

Ithink you can swap iron valiant for enamorus in the speed slot. enamorous is better as a breaker for your team and supports it far better than iron valiant does. personally I don't think valiant is great rn due to the massive usage of skeledirge, clodsire, and corviknight, which makes it difficult to use, especially when locked into a move. I think you can put a levitate or a flying type like rotom-wash or corviknight here to give you an additonal layer of protection vs ground types, which otherwise ruin you. they also give you another mode to pivot with into specs miraidon

[main sequoia]

Will knock off deal its normal dmg when it cant knock the item?

Phew

[surreal portal]

it doesn't do increased damage

[main sequoia]

Is speed boost Vcreate a good idea?

[sacred oriole]

Against forme items it is 65 BP

Against Sticky Hold it’s 97.5

[normal marlin]

Sticky hold when the one niche i can think of for it isnt even a thing

[sacred oriole]

Blocking Trick is big

And if you really need the item (think Eviolite or in some cases Boots) it can still be worth it

[normal marlin]

Oh thats fair

[surreal portal]

generally its not that worth it. you keep constant speed when spamming v-create but the lack of a damage-amp ability is big and you still outspeed most things at +1

(assuming this is hoopa-u you're talking about; nothing else would really want to run speed boost)

[main sequoia]

Kinda, but i was thinking on physical atker in general
Btw is there a viability ranking or usage rate list for BH?

[surreal portal]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons-resources-thread.3712766/post-9436166

the reason why i said hoopa-u is that its the only thing in the range where it wants speed boost

groudon typically goes defensive and ray wants aerilate boomburst far more

iirc you also need to run +speed hoopa to outrun the base ~135 guys at +1 which is really annoying

[main sequoia]

Also
Why isnt chansey banned?
It looks kinda op imo

[paper moat]

chansey isnt really broken, its more of the fact that it provides offensive cplay to setup so that x offensive mon is not as overbearing

[main sequoia]

Wellthen
I guess imposter chansey is almost a must have when building a team in BH

[paper moat]

its not a must have

[main sequoia]

Btw
Technically a sticky hold pokemon with sub can totally counter imposter chansey, right?

Wait

No

Not sticky hold

I meant suction cups

[paper moat]

in theory yes

but you could just use another mon to improof

[main sequoia]

Also a guts facade mon too i guess

I think chansey is op because you always need kinda specific sets in order to counterplay it

[main sequoia]

hmmm

maybe recovery over sub

[main sequoia]

I know
The thing in this strat is exactly meant to be used once i make sure theres no haze users in the opposing side

[surreal portal]

not only is that really hard to force but you might just be better using something better at sweeping with no pranks that still self-improofs, like simple arc-ghost

[slim monolith]

i think the confusion came from when it was implemented, where freedom cup was discussed as potentially being listed under oms

[slim monolith]

you have 0 fairy counterplay and so fold to flutter on lead, drop chi yu and add a steel type instead like scizor (dont add scizor lol, its just an example). you also currently struggle immensely vs dragonite, so tera ghost cyclizar + urshifu might be best. give cyclizar draco over knock as well, you have no reason to remove any opposing boots and the immediate damage is more important

any other changes should be made with consideration of other matchups and studying top teams

[slim monolith]

give treads less speed, make slowking physdef, and maybe ival trick over spirit break, done

kyogre matchup is won by simply not letting it come in as much as it wants to so play aggressive vs kyogre teams

[compact dirge]

https://pokepast.es/b20133fc8e0e7679
Hi I have an AAA

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[timid meadow]

Enamorous incarnate is banned

[compact dirge]

Oh

Shit didn't see that

Nvm

I apologize for you all getting pinged then

[timid meadow]

Nah no worries, looks solid for the most part main concern for me is that

Team looks kinda zapdos weak

Hoodra walls it but it’ll just pivot out

[compact dirge]

What do you suggest I replace enam with?

[timid meadow]

Specs Greninja or Scarf Volcanion

Both would be primordial sea

[main sequoia]

can spectrier work too?

[surreal portal]

not really

[main sequoia]

😭

[surreal portal]

arc is chosen specifically for its unknockable plate and good attack, giving it a strong collision course to nuke spdef mons

[main sequoia]

oh
i see

[main sequoia]

btw why i cant find BH sample set from corviknight?

[surreal portal]

where are you looking

if its on the smogon pokedex, its just because nobody has written an analysis yet

there is one on the setpedia

[main sequoia]

oh

[surreal portal]

Ability: Prankster  
Tera Type: Rock / Steel / Fairy  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD  
Relaxed Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe  
- Haze  
- Recover  
- Glare / Spikes  
- Flip Turn```

[compact dirge]

https://pokepast.es/dfba9c86dc2d835a okay so I have this now

[timid meadow]

Looks fine to me

Gapdos can be a pain but is manageable with Chomp

(Does that to every team though)

[main sequoia]

@surreal portal
Whats the reason for the use of covert cloak?
I've seen this in some BH sample sets sooo

[surreal portal]

nullifies nuzzle and mortal spin status mainly

scald burn, magical torque confusion, sludge bomb poison are also nice

[main sequoia]

True

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/7d255995b51ac6d9
between all the new toys coming and going to the tier
one must ask
what particular activity is the canine participating in?
(I would really like to keep Zama-C above all else)
AAA

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred oriole]

I think you want Unaware Scream Tail over Pex

Similar role, but 16 Wish vs 8 Recover

[orchid grove]

I did have UnaCress in an old ver.

[sacred oriole]

And you can potentially pash a wish to Zama or Tran

[orchid grove]

But that is fair

[sacred oriole]

I don’t think you need VA Corv here, you have Garchomp

That could probably be Intim or Fluffy

[timid meadow]

Chomp can also abandon fire fang for dragon tail

Phase our stuff and rack hazards

[orchid grove]

I'd be more keen on that if I had Spikes, but I feel like there's better mileage I can get out of that slot if it's just SR.

Actually
I could make Chomp Spikes over Fang

[timid meadow]

Works too

[orchid grove]

by which point I think I could also try Roar on Heatran in the last slot. Since without Pex the Poltea MU is a bit weird.

oh
they lost roar

sad

[timid meadow]

Personally I also think stone edge should be the last move over rest for zama

Otherwise zapdos dirge can be annoying

And have no cleric support

[orchid grove]

I've found Zama is usually so bulky that it doesn't even have a problem living out those two Turns, but I don't really need it now that I got wish.

[timid meadow]

That too

[orchid grove]

If I had considered Stail before it probably wouldn't have had Rest to begin with.

https://pokepast.es/1075c1503acca624
Anyway

[main sequoia]

@surreal portal
is there any reason to use precipice blades over headlong hush?

[surreal portal]

no defense drops, 2x pp

defensive mons normally use blades, offensive uses headlong

[main sequoia]

i see

https://pokepast.es/b9009ebac0bd585b (bh)
idk how many times i've overwritten my team at this point
(forgot to change some teras btw)
zacian - ghost/fire(idk yet)
giratina - fairy
groudon - bug

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[main sequoia]

Guess im giving up from pokemon comp from now
Im tired

Thats
Too much for me now

I cant reach a consistent improvement

[main sequoia]

really?

[main sequoia]

but, seriously
i feel that i reaaally gotta stop with pokemon for now only
im having some personal problems with school and mental issues
i've planned to stop with videogames in general since a while ago, so i guess its really a good time to stop

it is not about school, mainly
my psychologist told me that i got depressive tendencies and he believes that it can be the main reason of my sudden fall in, not only school
my life in general
i just keep playing some games because
i can forget about everything else
my mind cant stop thinking about all this trouble im having rn
make my mind busy with stuff i enjoy a lot makes me stop thinking
i will prolly start taking medicine soon i guess
but, for now, i gotta face all this thing before it gets worse

thanks

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/22b362d76b967d9f
oh boy I did another
AAA

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred oriole]

Generally like it, but the special bulk is a bit lacking

I would think about replacing moon with Melo or Goodra-H, or maybe running a bulkier Moth spread

[orchid grove]

Is Melo really still able to Check Heatran and such?

[sacred oriole]

You have WBB Corv, Heatran isn’t a huge concern for you

[orchid grove]

Sorry, when I said Heatran I meant more like Special Fires in general.

No RM feels like that opens me up to Chi-Yu too much.

[echo lodge]

Chi-Yu isn't very common, but if you're afraid of that then you can use RegenVest goodraH

[orchid grove]

And to that extent Primsea stuff.

Not what I meant

I meant stuff using it offensively like Volcanion, Gex Inteleon, Gren, etc.

[main sequoia]

avoid flamethrower from a mold breaker i guess

no ?

yeah
just checked to make sure
only neutra gas is banned ofc

type imminity abilities can be very annoying sometimes
even more with corviknight

va?

oh

i didnt meant only corviknight
wbb iron treads is kinda common too

hmmm

yeah

[high trellis]

to be a good moldy user you either need raw power before dmg amp to still be able to beat stuff without it or to rely on people only using immunities to check you

ursaluna is an example of the former and cinderace is an example of the latter

[high trellis]

id like it more if lando and corbs abilities would switch

lando is better at checking physical fire types than corb bc you actually resist their most common coverage moves

and it can check non mg tran fine too

and you have an av pivot to cover for it just in case

and vice versa

if you have say, a meloetta, and switch it into a specs deso fire blast

youll eat a bit less than 50, but you can switch into lando and still be fine

[main sequoia]

Well
Iron moth has 145 spatk
I guess thats something

[high trellis]

specifically future volc sucks as a moldy mon

bc hadron coverage tends to do the trick

and the mons ppl are running rn to beat it are av mons that are neutral to its stabs

[sacred oriole]

Moth has relatively low BP moves and great coverage

that offsets its ability to run Moldy, but makes it a great cnadidate for stuff like hadron

[main sequoia]

Cnadidate?

[sacred oriole]

Candidate

[main sequoia]

Oh

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[oak topaz]

Tbf fc Fireceus isn’t really relic or that outdated

It very soft checks koraidon checks pixi and spins

[oak topaz]

I think the concept is definitely cool and probably viable

it might be a bit mu fishy

[main sequoia]

What is mu

[normal marlin]

Matchup

[main sequoia]

Oh yeah
I forgot

[fresh marten]

why not Tab

[dusk pasture]

tablets is less of a buff compared to intim or fluffy

252+ Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Zapdos-Galar Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Tablets of Ruin Corviknight: 220-259 (55.1 - 64.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Zapdos-Galar Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 195-229 (48.8 - 57.3%) -- 50% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[fresh marten]

yes

but it does always work

take guard dog or deifant

or clear body

and intimidate may not be as sueful

[dusk pasture]

clear body isn't used

[fresh marten]

ye

[dusk pasture]

defiant is rare

intim also has the bonus of applying afterwards as well

[high trellis]

ngl tablets good when youre gonna stay a while AND youre needed to take neutral eqs, flare blitzes and stone edges

in other words only chomp

[remote anvil]

@surreal portal https://pokepast.es/c2e5bfb75d84bf05 what can I add for my 6th mon. Zorua is just a placeholder and a niche way to deal with arceus ghost

[surreal portal]

probably the main issue here is being mono-regenvest for a special wall, which isn't massively consistent

stuff like flutter mane and simple arc-ghost can run up on you for free, bundle becomes predict to live

i'd likely recommend something like ice scales zacian in the last slot, which opens up the possibility of changing the dialga slot; desland arc-fire becomes a huge pain if imposter is present and this team doesn't really have anything to sufficiently cripple it, so some sort of win condition that isn't beaten by imp is what i'd recommend

corv should also ideally be glare or toxic but not both

[remote anvil]

What's a good move for corv then

[surreal portal]

corv itself is a pretty meh mon (only ever used for the typing) so you probably just want utility moves that aren't going to get farmed by imp

something like glare/knock/flip/recover likely does fine

[remote anvil]

The idea of corv was to imp proof arc-fire

[main sequoia]

maybe spirit shackle over poltergeist

[surreal portal]

yeah i get that

the point i'm making is that using corv is normally out of necessity

rather than corv specifically being a good mon

so most of the things you want to run on it are just generic utility options

[remote anvil]

Hmm I see.

[surreal portal]

i don't remember the exact numbers but wide lens + stench is i think about only 62% chance to flinch?

which really isn't worth it imo, especially with needing teammate support to beat helmets and almost every fur coater still eating pop bomb

[main sequoia]

what does wide lens have to do with chance to flinch?

[surreal portal]

makes you actually hit population bomb

the 62% or whatever accounts for the 99% accuracy

[main sequoia]

oh
i see

[surreal portal]

and counts across the chance of landing any amount of hits

100% accurate + 1 flinch boost is only about 65% i think

so tl;dr pop bomb flinches don't work because of item dependence, low flinch chance, low-ish damage, helmet, and cloak

[main sequoia]

oh
yeah..
i forgot about covert cloak when making this thing
also
i believe giratina might be a problem aswell

[surreal portal]

yeah thats where the low-ish damage comes from

even +1 glacial lance is just bouncing off because no damage amp item or ability

[remote anvil]

Also Tea Guzzler, out of curiosity, most of my friends spam destiny bond on their mons and its pretty annoying. I don't know how to exploit it

[surreal portal]

destiny bond spam is usually from slow prankster guys, so they get fast dbond and then underspeed you the next turn

toxic and priority (like aerilate espeed rayquaza or pixilate espeed arc-fairy) shut them down

passive-damage stuff like salt cure and thunder cage also works, as you don't faint if you KO them with the secondary effect

[remote anvil]

What creeps me out is that they run it on corviknight

Which is already bulky and is supposed to dissuade my arc fire from attacking it

[surreal portal]

likely just go for salt cure then

if you're scared of arc-fire being dbonded then you either need to deny them safe switches into corv (such as just v-creating into their u-turn guy rather than clicking growth) or try and bait them into using them all

and also not launching raw v-creates into stuff you suspect could take you out

[remote anvil]

Which mons usually run salt cure again?

[surreal portal]

generally anything that likes to be annoying; random regenerator mons mostly

the majority of "meta" stuff usually doesn't carry it but can if you want it to

[remote anvil]

Ok thx

[main sequoia]

@surreal portal
what do you say about
sniper surging strikes under rain?
since weather isnt that common on BH

[topaz mango]

https://pokepast.es/f6fa6b12e9e8bc0c need advice

aaa

[compact dirge]

There are better damage boosting abilities than steely spirit

Typically you'd want something that gives a damage boost to all your moves rather than just one type

This team also looks weak to common stuff, like with all those fire weaknesses and the only resist being hydreigon ur desolate land mu looks pretty bad

And offensive fires in general

I suggest you check out samples and play with them to get an idea of how to build and use teams in aaa, threats to prep for, etc.

[high trellis]

You need both a fire immunity and a water immunity if you wanna run av future donphan

Corbs sets ok but the rest are ranging from kinda bad to unsalvageable

Cress is cheesy and easy to stop and even if you wanted to run that set dazzling gleam is recommended as your second attack because it hits dark types

Drei could maybe work but im pretty sure it cant 2hko most av regen mons that are common right now so thats not as good+ hydropump does nothing for the set so id recommend flash cannon or uturn over that

Scarf serene grace decidueyeh is a cheese set that does more dmg mentally by pissing ppl off than by actually breaking past stuff also you're running taunt on a scarfed mon 💀

Scizor is bad. Do not use

[main sequoia]

hey ummm
do you think mega launcher hydreigon can be something in AAA?

[topaz mango]

yes it’s usable

[topaz mango]

what would you suggest as tanks

[topaz mango]

What would you recommend as good mons to give those immunities to? I wanted a fast taunt Mon lmao any other recommendations?

https://pokepast.es/ef9fe918600bf9cc what yall think about this too

[surreal portal]

it will certainly do damage

but the big drawback is having to use a drizzle setter

[high trellis]

Pick a sample

[main sequoia]

Worth enough to be considered as viable?

[surreal portal]

i probably wouldn't end up using it

both due to the hassle of setting rain and getting pala in / the fact you need to sack an ability slot

[main sequoia]

What?

Oh

Wait

Yeah

I've thought about that actually

rk'd?

[sacred oriole]

Revenge killed

[main sequoia]

oh

[main sequoia]

there are three options
sniper shift gear surging strikes
swift swim rain surging strikes
and both
but use both doesnt seem too realistic since it takes too many turns to setup+imp can easily counter him
but, to avoid this headache i was thinking on use a Dland set, i just dont know what pokemon exactly

the raw options where i can start the thing in only 1-2 turns might be the most viable honestly

use a rain setter with teleport for safe pivot and then.

the only problem is palkia with x4 resist and fc dondozo

@surreal portal
surging strikes is the strongest physical water move, right?
just asking to make sure

[surreal portal]

yes

[main sequoia]

alright

[main sequoia]

also
iirc moves that works with 100% crit rate cant make use of offensive stat stages, right?

[surreal portal]

no they can

crits only ignore your own boosts in gen 1 iirc

[main sequoia]

oh

good

@surreal portal
maybe or nah?

if it has a better bulk

very prolly

i guess

[surreal portal]

zoro really isn't strong enough to play just off of hitting things neutrally

[main sequoia]

terrain dependence but hits pretty hard
what do you say
only loses to dialga-O and some iscales i guess

maybe not draco meteor

earth power/sandsear storm for dialga counter?

hmmm, nah
i can do some damage but, i dont think it will go any longer than that
it is pretty hard to deal with special walls that relies on ice scales/av without huge damage amp i guess

guess i gotta do the calcs to make sure

[high trellis]

Non grounded doesnt get all the terrain boost

I think you just keep your 140 rvoltage instead of 182

[main sequoia]

Tera to lose flying type

[high trellis]

Ban tera

[main sequoia]

[high trellis]

And cmon its bh you can do better than having a tera dependent mon

[main sequoia]

Its not tera dependent
Tera is just a small part of the strat
I know i can do better
Im trying

[high trellis]

You need to use tera to get your boost

[main sequoia]

What boost
Exactly

[high trellis]

Terrain boost

[main sequoia]

The boost isnt even the main reason that im using terrain

[high trellis]

Without it youre using a mere 140 bp move

[main sequoia]

Anyway the huge final dmg is worth it tbf

To a "tera dependent"

x2 stab and tera+x1.3 terrain+2x Nplot

From a 145 base Spatk

[surreal portal]

you could also just use regieleki

the mon is not good but you are fast by default + can run hadron RV and also get the terrain boost

[main sequoia]

Hmmm
Yeah

[main sequoia]

Hmmm
Which one is better
100 spatk+hadron engine boost or 145 spatk?

[surreal portal]

100 + hadron

especially given eleki gets to go +spa

[main sequoia]

What?

[surreal portal]

thundurus has a contested speed tier, meaning it almost always needs a +speed nature

eleki doesn't

[main sequoia]

oh wait yeah
i just realized you meant +spa nature

[main sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/625c40d6c7698fbf (bh)

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal portal]

a few things with this team:

• not sure why bundle is specs nplot
• speed boost palkia should be modest
• arc-ghost needs to be tera ghost to keep the improof effective (which is one of the main draws of arc-ghost)
• zacian without haze is going to find it incredibly difficult to imposter-proof bundle and palkia
• sticky web prank giratina is both really exploitable by imposter and also conflicts with your own tidy up (plus your breakers are all fast anyway so webs really isn't that useful)

[main sequoia]

i forgot to replace nplot when changed the item

[main sequoia]

well
except by palkia bundle and ghostceus advices
what do you recommend for me to change with zacian and giratina

[surreal portal]

the likely easiest thing to change with giratina is to just give it a different moveset over webs

glare is difficult here since you don't really have something to switch in on it with, so something weird like corrosive gas / flip turn could work

zacian's most common set is spirit break/haze/spikes/recover and that would probably be relatively easy to fit, but the lack of a bouncer + your removal being tidy up might make keeping wisp more useful

[main sequoia]

is there any difference between shore up and recover?

[surreal portal]

there is a difference between them but its so minor it will basically never occur

shore up heals for 66% in sand rather than 50%, but you will never see sand in BH

[main sequoia]

except this one, which is the most obvious ofc

[surreal portal]

otherwise shore up rounds down and the others round up, so if you see a mon with odd HP, the other recovers will heal 1HP more (which, because its BH, i'm fairly sure things will never have odd HP)

[main sequoia]

is this so?
idk if i should run 2 haze but you tell me whats best

[surreal portal]

double haze is recommended because there will be setup stuff that giratina simply can't haze safely against

most prominently flutter mane but also stuff like boosting arc-fairy

giratina has great bulk but has always been held back by a weakness-laden typing

[main sequoia]

the fact that almost everyone who is mostly used in BH metagame are either dragon or fairy type is very annoying

[surreal portal]

yeah defensive dragons have generally been pretty unreliable

the best one was zygarde-c which was carried by dumb physical bulk but still had a nasty 4x glacial lance weakness

[main sequoia]

as the same way as ice types even with 50% def boost in snow still got a lack of resists and a lot of common weaks

[surreal portal]

yeah the issue there is just setting snow

and the one good ice option being slow af and also packing a second type that does it no favours (caly-ice)

[main sequoia]

i thought you would say Hvalugg but yeah he too

https://pokepast.es/3e3ef42aa1a9b9fe
well, now
is this a good team for BH?

@surreal portal

[surreal portal]

yeah it looks pretty decent, but giratina should be min speed

always make your pivots min speed unless they're like an offensive mon / choice item

[main sequoia]

oh right, i forgot about that too

for now, thats it

i still want to make my own ideas a viable thing in

but, im psure that will take time

oh, i forgot to ask
@surreal portal why groudon should run tera ground?

[surreal portal]

offensive sets like mold breaker earth plate will usually run tera ground

+1 plate tera blades OHKOes arceus after spikes

fc should run tera fairy or grass

[main sequoia]

oh
@late laurel wtf?

why did you told me to change groudon tera to ground

if im running a fc set

hmmm
indeed, i just wanted to use giratina because he is a thicc tank, not looking at his great amount of common weaks in this metagame

hmmmm
this is, interesting @surreal portal
looks like corrosive gas is kinda... better than knock off?

except that is blocked by hoopa

[surreal portal]

the idea with cgas is that its priority item removal

[main sequoia]

yeah that too

[surreal portal]

and that if giratina holds griseous core, you can remove imp's item but they can't remove yours

you get blocked by dark-types but thats what flip turn is for instead of pshot

[main sequoia]

i guess theres no point on use a item only to avoid the item to be removed since griseous orb turns giratina into its offensive form

[surreal portal]

thats now how it works

you can hack griseous core onto altered and it will stay altered

(note that it has to be core, not orb, to be immune to removal)

the transformation happens when you give giratina the item, so if you edit the item on, this transformation window never happens

[main sequoia]

i see
anyway, my point is
theres no why use a item only to avoid you from lost the item itself imo

[surreal portal]

yeah thats fair enough

[remote anvil]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1891340335-eq12g246rxpwlyw3yyydw4zan58g2x3pw

I gave the arceus ice team a try

Idk where I made bad plays however

[remote anvil]

Ok I'll take that into consideration

[remote anvil]

@surreal portal do you know how to imp proof rayquaza

[surreal portal]

depends on the coverage move (boomburst/espeed/recovery are always there)

if collision course, ice scales arc-elec works

if headlong, spdef corv

[remote anvil]

Prolly headlong bc I have corv anyways

https://pokepast.es/c3734d45ed287e6b

How's this team it looks kinda weak to prim seas corv

For quaza I meant to swap Rapid Spin with headlong rush

[surreal portal]

it should be life orb boomburst/espeed/sap/headlong

zacian can mostly improof it, but if there's multiple hazards up and it dies to 2 espeeds, you probably want to use corv

[topaz mango]

https://pokepast.es/579b0608a46e04bf AAA I’m not sure about toxapex the rest I think are really good all together maybe switch meowscarada to sword of ruin but besides that lmk if anything I should change

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[remote anvil]

Do you know how I can change this team to add a counter to primordial seas corv

[surreal portal]

your option is basically arceus to electro drift -> change corv to something that improofs fire/elec arc-fire

[compact dirge]

https://pokepast.es/41ecc52544df0f2e
Hi UT, I have a GG

[umbral lava]

New GG RMT @sacred oriole, @vast apex, @broken kestrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast apex]

so this is just a problem with zac-c teams but you struggle vs great tusks once it gets going vs you, especially if rotom gets low. quite frankly I'm not sure how you'd try and remedy that. I think you could make lando-t grassknot > smack down that way you have a reliable source of damage vs it. also maybe make lando-t a defensive nature or something along that line. I think you can put more atk EV's into great tusks since it is offensive with AV. 115 with spdef and max atk probably works fine as well. other than that it's fairly standard and most of the fixes will have to come from testing

[compact dirge]

Oops I forgot to give lando a Nature

I meant to make it impish

[vast apex]

0- SpA Landorus-Therian Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Great Tusk: 138-164 (37.1 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO - this is vs 120 spdef tusks

it's not the best thing to run but your team does need a way to help vs tusks beyond just rotom

0- SpA Landorus-Therian Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Great Tusk: 266-314 (71.6 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

standard offensive tusks

[compact dirge]

Hopefully I can get a burn on it

Ty

[normal marlin]

This is godly gift?

[vast apex]

yes

[normal marlin]

Or 120 EVs

[vast apex]

we have great tusks legal

[normal marlin]

Ok

[vast apex]

that's great tusk with 120 spdef stat

[normal marlin]

Wow

[main sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/8c2dda355024784f (bh)
You might got the main idea here already
Important notes

• There are missing things because i dont have any idea of what should i use on these empty spaces
• Im thinking on use an arceus, prolly a defensive one, just dont know which one yet
• i kinda know that eternatus might not be a good idea here since it can be easily erased by psyblade if hoopa got imped, but i want ur opinion before making sure
• regieleki isnt carring ice beam for similar reason in relation to ting lu

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[oak topaz]

i see what you are trying to do

but this offensive core cannot do anything against common defensive cores

[main sequoia]

Hm?

[oak topaz]

the eleki is walled by grounds, dialgao, chansey, imp soft checks

hoopa is walled by common fur coats and has limited longevity with LO

[main sequoia]

Can i change something to turn this idea viable?

Somehow

Or at least try

[oak topaz]

you should make the eleki actually hit its common checks

you cant really get past diao but at least have moves for grounds

[main sequoia]

Hmmm yeah
Guess i just overdid the improofing

[oak topaz]

i also dont see what uturn on hoopa does

you are uturning something while taking 10% yourself

[main sequoia]

Yeah, im still gotta think more about it
I just think about the very specific situation where the opponent switch in imp amd then i hit him with a x4 weak at the same time i switch out
I know, its idiot both because its too much specific and i lost 10% in the process, as you said

[main sequoia]

@oak topaz i got some questions about that team

• should i keep eternatus as my main fc user?
• what move do you think that would fit better with hoopaU instead uturn(i was thinking on air slash since it also gets sharpness boost and is a spatk for fc coverage) and also if i should keep using LO
• what typeceus do you think that would fit better as defensive role in the team, i dont have a knock immunity so this is the only choice
• idk whatelse should i use with the setter giratina besides slow pivot and court change, any suggestion?

[oak topaz]

eternatus is a secondary fc

you cannot use it as a primary fc

because it loses to the main atk mon korai, and loses to stuff like groudon too

[main sequoia]

Hmmm
Then i guess this role will fall for arceus

[oak topaz]

your alternatives for a fc that can semi reliably check koraidon is fc dondozo and fc zacian

[main sequoia]

hmmm, ok
anyway
should i keep eternatus or replace for someone else?

[oak topaz]

it depends on whether you need it defensively

its unlikely you do

last move on hoopa should be something that helps deal with the common walls that would sometimes switch in on hoopa

rn you are not getting past any fc wall that isn't weak to psychic/fire

also i dont see why you need esurge tina when you have hadron eleki

arceus type depends on team structure

rn tinglu alone is not covering any special attackers

because tinglu is not a spd mon its an utility mon

[main sequoia]

Alright

Im gonna see what i can do

[wispy sand]

sorry- wrong chat

[main sequoia]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1893553871
i guess thats something to my first match in BH

guess i could have started like this guy without help

[main sequoia]

@surreal portal
do you think make something with tinted lens is possible?

[surreal portal]

tinted hasn't been used a ton because there's already loads of options that hit most of the tier neutrally

[main sequoia]

hmmmm
do you think there is some unusual gimmicky move/ability/pokemon that might have some potencial to be good in BH?

[high trellis]

Id be much cooler if it also healed

So that you can generally deny progress made that way

[acoustic cradle]

it was used when mirai was legal

because mirai was dumb

also helped with palk when it was still common (qd)

[remote anvil]

@surreal portal https://pokepast.es/8ebc2b9aa95b9322

This is an arc fire team used in the bh circuit tournament

It looks cool but how do make it better

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1888267424-gwgad9b73gfzzxbmp601l6q27l91qozpw

[surreal portal]

completely change the arc set because choice band earth power makes 0 sense

growth/v-create/solar beam/synthesis is standard

[remote anvil]

Tera fire is fine right

What item and 4th move should I give magearna

[surreal portal]

recover + leftovers probably

palkia should also be dragon energy

[remote anvil]

I think lemonstre used spacial for the crit ratio

[surreal portal]

spacial crit is the same damage as full-hp energy

[main sequoia]

He is still pretty commom i guess
Nasty plot speed boost is fire

[high trellis]

Wouldn't sd be better since you arent using the special attack and its better into primsea or whatever

Ik that running solar blade damns yoú to losing to primsea but still

[surreal portal]

the whole point is solar beam (not blade) to bypass fc don and dozo

and you want growth for that

[high trellis]

Ah i read it wrong then

[main sequoia]

ice scales zacian might be better
all these dragon types will be carrying something else anyway, sooo

[main sequoia]

Spatial rend should be boosted by sharpness imo

[main sequoia]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1894230523
guess i started liking more BH

[main sequoia]

@surreal portal
why is parental bond banned in gen 9 BH

[surreal portal]

fixed-damage moves do fixed damage twice

meaning pbond ruination always leaves you with 25% or less, seismic always does 200 damage, etc

secondary effects like lumina crash also proc twice

[main sequoia]

i see

[remote anvil]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1894362812-a19rvvumy6ndrivx6qiu1mi5lojc5tqpw

I kinda ran into the BH council

I don't know where I messed up tho

[remote anvil]

Does he always run stall?

Hmm

Are you part of the council too

Ur ice arceus team hits hard

Unfortunately I don't know how to play well with it

Are all the walls slow pivots?

Wait that's actually fire

So simple

So ur main Tera is just ice arceus

And it becomes arceus fire on steriods

Hmm very interesting

I'll give one more shot later and let you know how it went

[main sequoia]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1894403579-0zpth4hz1fsqag735itbqc2f5l3q5hepw
guess i gotta keep going up before finding people using actual sets

[remote anvil]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1894362812-a19rvvumy6ndrivx6qiu1mi5lojc5tqpw

@surreal portal this is the team in action

[main sequoia]

didnt you sent this replay already?

[remote anvil]

I did but he may not see it

[main sequoia]

@surreal portal
why is stakeout banned from bh?

[surreal portal]

because it creates lose/lose situations where a mon either has to accept death (on typing) or have the switch-in accept death (stakeout damage)

[oak topaz]

tttech currently is more of a semistall main

[oak topaz]

pbond on anything 2hkos the entire meta with ruination + toss/shade, prior to cedge ban you also can just get up 2 layers of spikes for free with that

[oak topaz]

if you switch out of stakeout the incoming mon over 2 turns take the same amount of damage as gorilla tactics

and thats provided if the stakeout mon is choice locked

it can very well be not choice locked and use a different coverage move, or be special oriented which doesnt have an equiv to gt

[umbral lava]

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[high trellis]

sheer force doesnt boost wicked blow. At that point woulndt it just be better to take the chip and run adapt on hoopa?

ik that, but wouldnt you rather run adapt?

just take the chip

[oak topaz]

Adapt is shit with Tera

[high trellis]

good point

both of them

[oak topaz]

You are running two not so fast setup mons whose only synergy that I see is Etern beats the scales fairys that wall hoopa

And the hazard game feels really sus too with mono mortal on a mon that loses to steels

With both offensive mons hating hazards

No one is running mono av ting as spd

Because av ting loses to every spa breaker so it’s an utility more than a spd

The core isn’t bad but you are going to have a rough time into av + scales cores

Also opposing fairy steels are an atrocious mu

Small details wise black sludge on Etern with Tera dragon

Diao is also not improofed

It might be an issue when Evio imp checks hoopa at full

[main sequoia]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1894832459-ntes0aenk9mbcw07eb0p2hszvi7od5gpw
@late laurel
noice

i see

[main sequoia]

252 SpA Life Orb Pixilate Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Spit Up vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ice Scales Dialga-Origin: 331-391 (81.9 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
DANG IT
so close

im not

well anyway

whats the problem

iiiiii
know..
im just trying to figure out a way to effectively pass through scales/fc users without mold breaker

if that thing could kill ice scales dialga
it would worth the price

it does
but its not a 0HKO

yeah im using it on my current team as you should know

teaguzzler told me that team is decent enough at least

and yeah its doing pretty well lately

btw
choice+brute ability damage and choice+mold damage are basically the same thing against walls that make use of ability, right?

should i?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9balancedhackmons-1894912951-k87m293m12x176huu5oycw1f9hy6xhhpw
guess i got hardly predicted here

aaand the tera was veeery unnecessary i guess

i shouldnt have stayed in with palkia during turn 20-34

@late laurel
how do i use showdex?

[paper moat]

fwiw you guys should discuss more in one of the compgen chats

[main sequoia]

oh yeah
mb mb

[main sequoia]

@late laurel
what do you think about it

not pretty sure about the tera
one side it can run tera water to guarantee other dragons and fairy weak removal and scales zacian KO
in other side i can run tera dragon for agressive offense

[main sequoia]

Since focus energy cant be hazed aways, despite being weaker than the common speed boost nasty plot, its harder to get countered by common ways

And imp cant copy focus energy afaik
Giving him an extra momentum against it

esper wing is in case of extra speed required like koraidon and sometimes dragapult

and it has high critical ratio aswell

[main sequoia]

scales zacian with magical torgue might be enough

or even spirit break

he might do huge damage but he cant go beyond

regardless

without any recovery he will surely switch out

oh

well

if i go on hyper offense here

@late laurel
if i tera dragon it can even kill imposter

soooo

i guess it isnt a problem at all

if i choose to be agressive ofc

no i mean
the palkia can kill his own imposter if i tera dragon

ban tera when!

what are the chances of this happening anyway

not greater than 50%
i will take that as a W

[high trellis]

time to cteam with gigaton hammer

[main sequoia]

cteam?

[high trellis]

counterteam

[main sequoia]

counter team?

oh

fuck

again

i realized what i asked right after i ask.

[high trellis]

to build with the intent to beat something very specific

[main sequoia]

i guess fur coat dondozo might counter gigaton hammer pretty well

akira team?

high/medium or low ladder?

idk if theres an actual medium ladder

maybe im just talking shit

lmfao

i dont remember seeing something like that

actually
i've never saw even rayquaza yet

neither ghostceus or zama

who

what about zacian?

depending on fc/ice scales, i dont think so
if you are ice scales running will o wisp, you can disarm one of its offenses at the same time you might tank the other side of mixed offense

hmmmm yeah..
well, if its too strong and specific to counter, why is it still allowed?

btw i wonder why is palkia allowed too

btw, about the sniper palkia's tera
which one do you think that fits better
dragon or water?
by one side i max my offense but risk the chances of getting wrecked by a tera fairy
by other side i play more side while making my weaker stab much better

what is this?

oh
im dumb. alright

[oak topaz]

Imp copies focus energy

[main sequoia]

[high trellis]

[main sequoia]

Btw
Will speed boost copied by imp activate upon switch in?
Or it has to stay for at least one turn to activate?

[oak topaz]

no it has to be on the field on the start

[surreal portal]

it does not activate for imp on the turn it switches in

[main sequoia]

Same thing if it switches in because of current pokemon fainting, right?

[surreal portal]

yes

speed boost is full turn only

[main sequoia]

Noice

[late laurel]

https://pokepast.es/f69aedec91730269 first time playing SV stabmons

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[late laurel]

i prolly shoulda used nasty plot on gholdengo i really dont know what im doing

[high trellis]

How much pp does triple dive have

[surreal portal]

16

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/10713951a285e84a
STABmons

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[orchid grove]

Specifically wanted to build Iron Hands

[main sequoia]

I thought literally the same thing

[fossil cove]

https://pokepast.es/4c81f9610725a649
AAA

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[dusk pasture]

regenvest ting-lu isn't very good

loses to a lot of common special attackers and means you just lose to specs primsea

your physfire answers aren't great either tbh

you have a primsea washtom but with no reliable recovery or bulk invest you can get worn down and then just lose

i'd probably replace ting-lu with like regenvest goodra-h

dunno what the dirge is doing

idt you really need ee dirge

could be replaceable with an actual physfire answer like pex or wbb lando

bulk invest may be better on quaq to help check pao

[high trellis]

This team has like no wincon

Duck is like somewhat easy to break

Big puff doesnt even have cm

No hazards

You just look at the opponent and hope they die to their own inability to break

Which is somewhat easy bc ting is terrible at checking special attackers

[oak topaz]

ill leave this for tea because i have no ho experience

[surreal portal]

probably the main issue here is that your anti-offense is basically limited to just prankbond, meaning there's a noticeable weakness to really any offensive threat if you don't have veil up

rayquaza and pixiceus are notably really bad matchups

and setting up is highly contingent on getting chilly reception off, which means arceus is rarely sweeping by itself and can't heal/cleanse

anti-offense is both setup stuff (which ray beats depending on what the mon in question is) and opposing choice breakers

so stuff like flutter for example you just have to pick a sack if it gets in safely

likely changing bisharp to something that more reliably handles special attackers

issue becomes hoopa but i don't think this team is dealing with imp hoopa at all really

because screens just don't work

scales zacian takes 2 wicked blows i think?

and can just be a spikes bot / setup control / scares out fast specs mons

checking those three doesn't exist short of ass like soundproof

and even then there is no soundproof mon that beats all three and elec moves and ray's coverage/espeed

[paper moat]

am i dumb or does gdon have random aurora veil

oh wait

reception

[compact dirge]

https://pokepast.es/c5cba6cbab27f0bf
GG

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[compact dirge]

Sorry I meant to make korai band

[sacred oriole]

I worry about ever finding time to setup with Lilligant, but it's threatening enough ig

I would almost think about Heat Rock here? it benefits three of your mons, four if you count Koraidon

[compact dirge]

Actually I think I like heat rock too

[crimson verge]

https://pokepast.es/ab7f17e5cff9665c @sacred oriole

godly gift

[sacred oriole]

I would add EVs to Samaroutt

[crimson verge]

oh lmao

its just max max

[sacred oriole]

I prefer Dark-focused Samaroutt

you want to be spamming Edge, and Sucker is much stronger

wait since when does Ray get U-turn

[crimson verge]

this gen

[sacred oriole]

absolutely wild

I might go SD Boots Ray here? I feel like this team can struggle in keeping Rocks off

and you want to be able to pivot a little more freely with rotom and electrode

[crimson verge]

yeah true

but i feel like the team might not have much immediate power

without cbray

[sacred oriole]

you have hazard stack + three mons with 150 Attacking stats

I think you can be okay

[crimson verge]

fair

ty

[vast apex]

I think koraidon works better as a scarfer here. CB also works but I’m not a big fan of double CB. heat rock suggestion is also good. LO is also pretty good on the arcanine since being able to switch up moves is pretty great. I think the washtom could be spdef also. other than that I think the team is fine. maybe you can also put LO on lilligant for more immediate damage

[vast apex]

the team is a bit slow outside of helectode and scarf gholdengo, so I think you could try thunder wave on washtom also. either over wisp or run double status. it’ll help ray come in more easily and break. I’d go with UT’s advice with sucker punch also. you can run black glasses or wide lens there. I also think choice scarf hamurott is also good here for additional speed to guarantee spikes. I think you can consider air balloon on gholdengo as well since hazards are easily removed by great tusks if it comes in (if you go scarf hamurott route)

[acoustic cradle]

https://pokepast.es/2d35f302dbea7276 stab

is specs cyc still decent

[umbral lava]

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[surreal portal]

pretty notable issue here is the conflict between veil and desland, meaning in most cases you're going to have to go straight to zacian which is an issue because you'd want to v-create a lot of the stuff gira pivots out of)

etern's crit rate on spacial rend is also only 50% so just going with the nasty plot set likely ends up better overall

in that case you probably want tera fire

since torch song by itself isn't enough

arceus wants to be in to threaten all of these

with v-create or solar beam

dondozo is never going to para you in this meta and ting will likely want to switch out

in both cases arc gets a free window to do whatever because neither can safely pivot out despite wanting to leave

i mean there's not really anything else that is going to fit that criteria, it's just that you're going to struggle actually getting veil up if you want to maintain offensive pressure

since you have to go giratina, reception out, get veil on zacian, and then also deal with the enemy pivoting slower than you

[surreal portal]

there's a tradeoff for that between arceus preventing zacian from pivoting and out-slowing slow pivots, neither's instantly better than the other

[compact dirge]

If I go heat rock should I run a bulkier spread?

[vast apex]

on koraidon? you’d run the same spread, but I think you could also do SD + uturn and 2A like collision/flare

gives you another wincon

that way you can pivot when you need to but also threaten a sweep

[compact dirge]

Alr thx

[compact dirge]

https://pokepast.es/1d96b7a5cb845f36
Built some bo

GG

Oops forgot clod evs mb

https://pokepast.es/40f320f891883feb

[compact dirge]

https://pokepast.es/04d58c6cefcd8f74
I changed the hammurott set too

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/f08332fecd634100

STABmons

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[orchid grove]

Double Weasel sounded oddly interesting and even more oddly synergistic, so Double Band Weavile + Sneasler is a thing now.

Meloetta's weird and I wanna replace it but breaking Pex is a bit funky without smth like it.

Like, you can technically do it with Hazard Spam + Knock, but that's not really consistent enough for me.

[sacred oriole]

Clod and Tusk have a lot of overlap in their defensive profile

In particular this core is going to struggle with Fire and Water attackers, since Ghold doesn’t help there either

[compact dirge]

I mostly used clod for zac cplay
What if I changed it to dirge?
That doesn't help with the water problem but it adds a fire resist

[golden plinth]

hey

[golden plinth]

Council STABmons here, I'm happy to see STAB teams here! Your sets are all very good and that's nice but I think the main problem in your team is the structure: with 3 choice locked, which two of them are walled by Toxapex, you will often lose the momentum to Toxapex (a problem you mentioned).

I'm not a fan of both Weavile and Sneasler, and they share the same Pex problem, but assuming you doesn't want to axe them, I'd probably suggest fitting a Water Absorb Clodsire somewhere, so you can response to Toxa's Flip Turn. To make room for Clodsire, Melo probably needs to go, as it is not very fitting for this kind of balance anyway. One suggestion for Pex MU is considering Slowking-Galar > Toxapex. With Lumina Crash, it breaks Toxapex with ease.

I'm running out of suggestion tbh, so lmk if you want to discuss more

[orchid grove]

Frankly, Sneasler + Weavile was just an idea based on the synergy of their Offensive Typings, I already have a Weavile team from pre-meta I could update to be current meta, so I could just make this one Sneasler centered (Band is crazy underrated based off just ladder imo).

I did actually think about Gking, but I had never used Gking much last gen or this gen, so I had no idea was to really do with it outside of the obvious "haha Lumina Crash"

I love the Sneasel line (both Hisuian and Johtonian) and with poor Weavile getting gutted so hard in base it's nice to see it still usable here.

Do you have a spread I could use for Gking in the current meta? I haven't seen it and I'd really like to try it here.

Switcheroo > Night Slash could also help a lot VS Pex here.

Though I'm thinking smth like Gking + Bax as supporting offensive teammates so I could just stick to Night Slash for Ghold.

[golden plinth]

Roigada de Galar (Slowking-Galar) @ Assault Vest  
Ability: Regenerator  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 252 HP / 108 Def / 148 SpD  
Calm Nature  
- Lumina Crash  
- Flamethrower  
- Mortal Spin  
- Surf

I used this in OMPL, I already don't remember what the spread does but it is useful, i'm sure

[orchid grove]

I didn't check the rolls/calcs, but Dire Claw > Noxious Torque could also maybe cheese Pex to make it easier for teammates to get through.

https://pokepast.es/7c2ef461c5ce5d21
Gholdengo is random filler bc I didn't have any better ideas, if you have any other suggestions lmk.

[golden plinth]

I'd have Tera Ice or Tera Ground on Bax, and maybe SD > Dragon Dance

The extra boost by tera dragon seems meh

[orchid grove]

what about Ghold?
That I just haphazardly threw on because I wasn't sure what else would fit.

[golden plinth]

tbh i'm not sure what else would fit

I think you could try out some Thundurus-T set with Roost. Second soft check to Lando-T, break Toxa, can volt switch

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/89d1a7f4ff7bac08

[dull blade]

Can sneasler not use dire claw

[high trellis]

Use bleakwind storm over hurricane because it has more accuracy

[orchid grove]

by 10%, while being weaker and having a less relevant secondary effect.

[high trellis]

Im running hydro pump any day of the week over focus miss

[orchid grove]

70%'s good enough for me when the other option has an almost negligable accuracy difference, esp when it comes with like
an actual benefit.

[high trellis]

Focus miss acc vs hydro pump acc

[orchid grove]

Sounds more like a negativity bias problem than anything objective.

[orchid grove]

I was gonna do calcs later to see if Dire Claw missed any thresholds, so for now I went with Noxious Torque to be on the safe side until I could check the difference.

[dull blade]

I feel like the hax is worth it

Cuz the move ur spamming for dmg is always gonna be CC

[orchid grove]

I was more thinking about thresholds for stuff that resists Fighting, since in that situation I'm gonna be relying on Poison STAB/U-Turn

Dire Claw is probably still strong enough though.

[golden plinth]

not sure about Tera Water on Thundurus, but I don't have other ideas

looks good

remember when playing that the Tera Ghost on G-King is meant to stop Melo from Boomburst you

[acoustic cradle]

can i bump this

[umbral lava]

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[surreal portal]

well this meta's sorta redundant now but i'll rate anyway; lack of an electric immunity means regieleki is an unplayable matchup and other volt switch users getting free reign also isn't great. other than that the removal is a bit odd but should mostly be fine, the main concern is actually making progress since you're relying almost entirely on poison and imposter to do so (with your only 2 status moves conflicting with each other)

[dull blade]

Very late but

Most fighting resists also resist poison

[orchid grove]

So I've noticed in playing more lol.
I tend to overthink things a lot so the obvious like that sometimes just
slips my mind?

https://pokepast.es/0d37be441d1e57e3
AAA (Hisuian Typhlosion Build)

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[orchid grove]

Hazard Control is just not here but at this point I have no idea what to do about it.

I had Treads in multiple versions but every time it felt really awkward to patch up the rest defensively.

[high trellis]

Id say you could afford to drop pex

Pex is kinda mid rn and you could put a corber there

[sacred oriole]

Toxic Spikes has really nice synergy with Infernal Parade though

[high trellis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion-Hisui Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Goodra-Hisui in Harsh Sunshine: 205-243 (56.3 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[sacred oriole]

And this is a Typhlosion team

[high trellis]

Speaking of which

[sacred oriole]

I would be more inclined to drop Lando for Corv

[high trellis]

chomper here (Garchomp) @ Leftovers
Ability: Toxic Debris
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Swords Dance
• Stealth Rock
• Liquidation

Corv miser (Corviknight) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 99
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• U-turn
• Body Press
• Defog
• Roost

Easy

[prime bane]

Dont random things just volt around then? Or i guess va corv

Right

[sacred oriole]

You accidentally made your Corv level 99

[timid meadow]

Yes have Corv, opt for defog on it to and run specs

On the Typhlosion

[high trellis]

Accidentally?

[sacred oriole]

Yes

[high trellis]

You simply get volted on vs goodrah

Realistically theres like no good way to stop fridge eleki and mglo helectrode from voltturning without throwing and making your av future donphan or taking a fat L and running like va corber

[orchid grove]

what after that?

[sacred oriole]

I think it generally looks solid as is

Especially if you think you can play with rocks off and go Specs Thyplosion

Boots is fine if not

[orchid grove]

What do I do abt Volt-Turn? Without a ground to at least try stopping it, it feels like I'll just be eternally on the backfoot.

[sacred oriole]

Get Toxic spikes up

And if you’re getting cycled, make an aggressive switch

But like, U-turn and Volt Switch literally do zero net damage to Goodra and Corv

So them volt turning does nothing unless they’re also winning the hazards war

[orchid grove]

also is there a reason to run Modest if I'm not running Specs?

[sacred oriole]

Uh I generally believe the 90-105 speed tier is fake and run Ada / modest

But that’s very much user preference

[orchid grove]

So Gzap could be Adamant too?

[sacred oriole]

on MGLO Jolly is probably fine

if this was Band SoR, absolutely should be Ada

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/d6b94521310ab28d
STABmons Team for Tera Reqs

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[acoustic cradle]

https://pokepast.es/283cb37882f15db4 @high trellis

built around gambit

well not really, i just started with it

[dull blade]

I feel like edge is the ultimate greed choice on grimm

Taunt is probably better

[vast apex]

so the problem here is that great tusks is a nightmare into you. you don't have great defensive or offensive counterplay to it as it currently stands. the simplest fix I can suggest is putting something like torn-t in the HP slot or swapping clodsire for a different defensive mon like slowking or something to that effect if you still desire a water resist. it also gives you a pivot as well. I think you may be better off swapping meowscarada for something like electroed in the spA slot. you are starved for speed, but scarf meow doesn't pack the punch it needs to on this team. it does have knock + spikes which is useful in its own right though, but you already have that from tusks and hamurott. I think you can make tusks lefties with stealth rock as well if you go the route of putting slowking > clodsire. keeping it AV is also an option since offensive tusks + future sight is annoying to deal with. I honestly think slowking + torn-t is also a viable option. you get a regen pivot core with taunt to shut down arceus and defog but you do open up rapid spin.

[high trellis]

Give me your contingency plan vs any tauros inheritor

And i like sneezeler over future gallade as the tough claws scarfer

Slightly worse typing, but its not that much worse and its faster and a little stronger i think

I dont really like pex there, but i cant really say there's anything like it

Its just pretty bad at clicking attacks and that worries me

[acoustic cradle]

uhhhh predict and shit idk yeah that needs fixing

val and sneeze are equally strong (130) and sneeze is only 4 points faster

which is just moon which is fair but i do like val's fairy stab