OM Rates

[surreal portal]

boomburst, astral, volt switch, trick is likely better

also timid is usually better

[ripe nexus]

ok thank you

[paper moat]

https://pokepast.es/43a0049aabb8304c MnM yes this was the team i used in open

@slim monolith

[slim monolith]

i dont do rates rn anymore for mnm

[paper moat]

oh sorry :(

[golden tendon]

https://pokepast.es/932eb7fa36e28172

be warned tho my teambuilding skills suck

im just tryin to figure a base level team out

[surreal portal]

many of these sets don't make a ton of sense (psea dred instead of mglo, adapt ebutton shocks instead of hadron, sub talon instead of bulk up/wisp, perish stail instead of cm/twave)

the general mon structure seems ok-ish if you replace leaves for a spdef mon like regen ting

[golden tendon]

what is mglo

[surreal portal]

magic guard + life orb

[golden tendon]

hmm

okay

who should i lead with here

idk anything about leads

[surreal portal]

dedicated leads for the most part aren't good; you'll have stuff you lead with more often than others

[golden tendon]

ok

[surreal portal]

like on this team you're usually going scarf hadron shocks

[golden tendon]

epic

[surreal portal]

but corv isn't impossible either

[golden tendon]

like blissey?

with regenrator

maybe heavy duty boots idk

[surreal portal]

blissey works but there's generally just better stuff

[golden tendon]

ok

[surreal portal]

blissey has bulk but not much else

[golden tendon]

what r some good spdef mons

[surreal portal]

whereas something like ting-lu or garchomp can set hazards / put actual offensive pressure on

[golden tendon]

ok

it might be a ting lu moment

also what does electric terrain do for sandy shocks

it seems like adaptability would make him do more damage, especially since he has only stab moves

[surreal portal]

hadron engine sets eterrain and boosts special attack by 33% in eterrain

it's just objectively more damage on electric moves and the same on ground

[golden tendon]

ok

thx btw

[surreal portal]

np

[golden tendon]

oh wait what item should i use for shocks too

[surreal portal]

scarf or specs are the most common

[golden tendon]

i need him to be able to use rocks tho, won't that just trap him in with that?

[surreal portal]

boots can work if you have no other rocks mon, but ting-lu can easily slot these

[golden tendon]

ok

[paper moat]

https://pokepast.es/d5cb651ef4d35bfb

umix :0

nvm

cant find placuszek here either

[valid vapor]

I feel umix goes into #360611119527886859

[sacred oriole]

We still handle OMM in OMs

Just, idk who here rates ultra mix

[timid meadow]

Not an mashup I play in particular

Idk about clas either

[acoustic cradle]

what even is umix

looks like aaa, abc, 350, mnm?

[surreal portal]

"Ultra Mix is a combination of Almost Any Ability, Alphabet Cup, Camomons, Mix and Mega, Scalemons, and Tier Shift"

[dull blade]

Hi

[acoustic cradle]

does ts factor berore or after scale

[dull blade]

After

The team is certainly not standard to say the least

Also the Unix people here are me and @slim monolith

Well first of all bc of camo u do not want ur setup moves in the first 2 slots

Victory dance is banned so that rev set is illegal

If u want a HO i would drop the cloy for a lead that can deny hazard removal better

U should change the varoom for something like band oricalchum pulse V create spamming vigoroth

So V create/eq or volt tackle/u turn/ EQ or volt tackle

With band

Pawniard sounds meh, but u cld keep it with a different typing

[slim monolith]

dratini is like a must on ho too imo

[dull blade]

Could probably drop pawniard for that

[slim monolith]

depends

[dull blade]

Dragon ascent extreme speed diamond storm dd

[slim monolith]

dratini is flexible in type

[dull blade]

Drop t wave on dreepy its useless

Perhaps u cld run scizorite on that freeing up diancite for someone else

[slim monolith]

i feel like this team wants a webs lead

[dull blade]

And that fledgling moveset sounds cool but

[slim monolith]

fillet away doesnt work like that

[dull blade]

U need the extra power of flare blitz>fire lash

[slim monolith]

oh oops

didnt mean to reply there

[dull blade]

Oh ya I knew that

I was saying it was cool cuz even at half that offensive typing is pretty nice

[slim monolith]

ah

[dull blade]

And run nasty plot on zorua

Over sub

Who are the webs leads again I don't play HO

[slim monolith]

uhhhhhhhh

no clue ig just some random s mon

maybe greedent lol

i used ampharosite shellos for my screens ho since it had a strong steel beam + bounce base

[dull blade]

Ya ltaker has used that

Maybe

[slim monolith]

but greedent is broken

so id use that

[dull blade]

Ghost type move

Ceaseless edge

Stone axe

Webs

With GAG

And gyardosite

Wait it dosent get ceaseless

Does greedent get taunt

Then spikes>ceaseless

[slim monolith]

n

[slim monolith]

was gag over mb ur right

[dull blade]

Wdym

[paper moat]

so basically i should not use this team

ill try building another one ty

[dull blade]

I mean in Umix non meta very much does not mean bad

There are some aspects here that are questionable overall I've seen much worse

Its probably one of the hardest metas on smogon to build for anyways

[slim monolith]

and ur not wrong lmao

[high trellis]

https://pokepast.es/b62b1fc53bdaf66c is this tcg team any good

[cunning cairn]

AAA team
https://pokepast.es/5866b0b8c818fa96

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[high trellis]

If youre gonna do skill swap cheese go for the one that's less bad

[echo lodge]

This team is disorganized enough that I'm gonna have to point you towards the resources so you have a better idea of what's actually viable: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/almost-any-ability.3710568/post-9390590 <-sample teams
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/almost-any-ability-resources.3710571/post-9390607 <- viability rankings

[high trellis]

Aka normalize+trapping

[cunning cairn]

dang that bad huh

[echo lodge]

skill swap + truant isn't really a viable strategy because the Pokemon using it are typically not very strong

Plus, the opponent can just switch

99.99% of the time

with hardly any drawback

[high trellis]

Even if you trap them, you need protect to use the free turns

[echo lodge]

offensive cyclizar just isn't a good Pokemon (set is completely walled by Corviknight btw)

and bisharp is thoroughly outclassed by kingambit

[high trellis]

Starly loses to uturn spam

[timid meadow]

Lefties/passive recovery is also huge for gambit

[high trellis]

And like fear is just bad

[cunning cairn]

k thx

[shut ocean]

https://pokepast.es/014de77c45cae65b

@paper moat

[paper moat]

drop shuriken, slither should be tlens, brave bird over press, hadron on sandy, Sword of ruin on meow, lucario over magnezone

overall you lose to hariyama but what offensive team doesnt

[shut ocean]

i could just slap a ghost type or smthing w dazzling

and what do i use over shuriken

[paper moat]

wait

this is the rough outline

https://pokepast.es/8a3a64d1a4046202

[paper moat]

ghosts die to +6 bullet, dazzling is p much good on either roaring moon or poltea and moon is a fake dazzling user anyway

you could drop one of the offensive mons for unaware scream tail

[shut ocean]

k

[zenith isle]

hjello can some🅱️ody rate my mnm team https://pokepast.es/b8e0f704c6ed6ed4

wait who are the raters 😭

[paper moat]

i can do it

[zenith isle]

ong r eal ?

if so is this team real or fake or mediocre

or just straight up terrible because i simply plagiarized it from myself

[paper moat]

gimme a sec

[zenith isle]

👍

[paper moat]

diancite gholdengo 6-0s this team if it gets np up

and if focus hits on ting-lu

[zenith isle]

o

😔

how to fix?

[paper moat]

uhh whats the diancite ghold check again

Red Orb Roaring Moon, Iron Moth, and Ampharosite Blissey

absolite iron moth outspeeds diancite ghold

something very important

[zenith isle]

okiedok

i can change the moth set

if my showdown loads within 20 minutes that is ☠️

is this correct

[paper moat]

sorry i disappeared

anyways i run fier / swave / uturn/ dgleam

[zenith isle]

thanks

[zenith isle]

that's ok people live irl

ok so stabs dgleam uturn?

[paper moat]

i died again

yes

[zenith isle]

okie 🅱️okie is there anything else i have to fix

[paper moat]

idk

i dont actually rate mnm for a reason

[zenith isle]

ok well close enough

at least that's one problem patched

[fresh marten]

wild charge over zen headbutt imo

[paper moat]

didnt even see that

flare blitz over zen

[fresh marten]

ackstually it is wild charge because most corv are WBB

[paper moat]

no lol

most corv are intim

[dusk pasture]

wvb corv you delete with banded close combat anyway

and even hit the same lol

flare blitz helps more for stuff like fluffy corv

[fresh marten]

oh

ok

[high trellis]

Disagree on tinted fighting volc

Something like tough claws is quite alright right now

Iirc the only fighting resists rn are either quad resisting (tinted wouldnt help), frail (still wouldn't switch into a banded cc) or immunities (lol)

Id support tinted meow if the best grass resist rn wasn't a quad resist

[high trellis]

Im pretty sure mglo Lucario run more special evs

[timid meadow]

They’re do, and EQ can be replaced by focus blast/plot

[sacred oriole]

Earthquake is really just "I hate Pex"

which is fine if you really hate Pex, but

Generally, you're spamming Steel Beam and/or Focus Blast, so you want to maximize that

Tinted Wing is mostly to get more mileage out of First Impression as a revenge killer

[high trellis]

id say with scarf ground magneton youd like the breaking power more

you cover basically every fast mon that resists bug with that

[acoustic cradle]

https://pokepast.es/11bce898c519cdb2 stab

tried building around cb gyara who apparently wants five moves

[tawdry geode]

don't really have any significant notes, cool team

i dont think hdb is super necessary on pex and helmet or leftovers could go a long way, but hdb is fine. poison or fairy tera on rotom-w is pretty good for beating great tusk reliably, idt steel does it a ton of favors. i also think fairy tera on pex could probably be something else post walking wake, but other options havent been explored a ton so dont exactly have a recommendation there... feel free to try different options though lol

[acoustic cradle]

aight ty

apparently every mon and their mother wants 5 moves in stab

not just gyara

[quartz dirge]

https://pokepast.es/44853b2dc8716a2b AAA

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[timid meadow]

• Garchomp should have dragon tail > liquidation (residual and can pressure incoming corv, which the team is a lil weak to)
• Gengar should drop wisp for icy wind or dazzling gleam
• Drop Dclaw on Moon for Iron Head to hit Scream Tail

those are my takeaways the others can chime in

[dusk pasture]

team looks fine enough if the ghosts stay

you dont have close to anything like a hydreigon switch in you but you could win faster

i dont, and will never like scarf sandy shocks but whatever

[timid meadow]

(they wont but shhhh)

[dusk pasture]

ok change in plans lol

remove gengar

[timid meadow]

ye

[sacred oriole]

LOL

[timid meadow]

Gengar can be replaced by someone like Hydreigon or Lucario if you want a breaker with a similar role of a setup mon

alternatively can use something like Gardevoir or Inteleon if you want a pure special breaker

[high trellis]

i like future volcarona personally, but it does have a rock weakness so you have to choose between a lot of power or not having to clear the field every time you want to use it

[timid meadow]

It’s already there

[slim monolith]

played the meta again, regrettably, and this is a decent start but needs a few changes - i like nat's moth set but morning sun > dgleam lets moth come in more + hard switch into ghold, you have no pins dnite check so id add manec slowbro here, change corv to sable and remove ape + add metagrossite uturn roost roaring moon and replace ting lu with gyaradosite clodsire

then finally a set change on scream tail to this

Ability: Protosynthesis  
Tera Type: Fairy  
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Calm Mind  
- Wish    
- Boomburst
- Psyshock```

[zenith isle]

ok thank you

[zenith isle]

will do!

thanks for the advice

[golden loom]

CARTI

[timid isle]

https://pokepast.es/c75329bbed10745a

[dusk pasture]

wrong channel lol

[timid isle]

isnt it rate my teams

o its not ou my bad

[fresh marten]

isn't flamethrower better?

[slim monolith]

no not here

tail is for after corv is gone

psyshock also lets u beat blissey, volcarona, and basically every other cm mon

which ud otherwise lose to

[fresh marten]

alr

wb modest over timid? you outspeed everything, no?

[normal marlin]

Wait they’re testing corv?

[fresh marten]

he probably means after corv is fainted in game

defensive mons that stop offense from going berserk are vital to every OM

[sacred oriole]

No OM is currently testing Corv

Frankly, if one ever does, that’s a bad sign

[fresh marten]

true

honestly

is corv much a wall these days

or whatever you call corv

it get's 2hkod by bax

most phys attackers can just tera past it

[timid meadow]

If AAA suspects Corv

[sacred oriole]

Many OMs have banned Tera, and also give Corv tools to better check stuff like Bax

[timid meadow]

The entire tier would be thrown into disarray

Lol

[fresh marten]

true

[fresh marten]

very much

[sacred oriole]

We would essentially be banning Defog

[timid meadow]

I don’t even wanna imagine a mega like that

[sacred oriole]

Which is a problem

[fresh marten]

even a low ladder like me would be 1500+

[fresh marten]

it's kidna already banned honestly

[timid meadow]

Not just that tbh

One of the better physical checks to a lot of things

[fresh marten]

everything else is just gone with a sneeze

can i ask

why corv was prefered over skarm?

[sacred oriole]

Well Skarm doesn’t exist rn

Also, U-turn

[timid meadow]

In gen 8 better mixed bulk and uturn

[fresh marten]

oh

alr

[timid meadow]

The latter being especially important

[fresh marten]

before this i kidna thought to myself

probably better for flare blitz/wild charge recoil

[sacred oriole]

Nah Skarm is only slightly more physically bulky, while Corv is noticeably more specially bulky

[timid meadow]

Ye

[sacred oriole]

But the main difference is moves, namely Spikes and Stealth Rock vs U-turn

[fresh marten]

true

[normal marlin]

Okay that makes a lot more sense

I was deadass so confused for a sec

[rugged eagle]

https://pokepast.es/d95a79617a5d717d MNM team for countering Extreme Speed maybe idk

[paper moat]

dont use jolteon for one

and im pretty sure rock/fire is a bad typing

if you really wanted to check the espeeders you could go like venu corv

not sure abt hatterene either

@slim monolith ill let you takeover

[slim monolith]

okay so uh

lots of these need edits or just replacing

wake is bad dont use it

pao should be aerodactylite or just choice band, that one is p good rn but u build around that

lemme make a paste

like nat said dont use jolteon

nor hatt bc that does nothing in a meta filled with mbounce anyway

moon is team reliant and just doesnt do much outside of being team-reliant and spamming flying-type double edge

[normal marlin]

Wait why is wake bad exactly

[slim monolith]

orbs + hydro steam actually just does nothing rn tbh

also horrendous speed and alt dnite is common

[normal marlin]

Ah

The surrounding Metagame sort of thing

[slim monolith]

https://pokepast.es/fb4bcb80ca2ce186
pao is cb to just break stuff bc cb sor just ruins the entire meta rn tbh, ishard over sucker to ohko pins tusk after spin since clod does that job w/ this spread.
garg is standard aggronite idbp, wins stuff it shouldnt.
dnite is ur red orb jugulis switchin + another dumb breaker, use it to pressure in arc as much as possible.
standard clod corv king balance core last.

read the stuff prior to here too

[whole tree]

fortemon team
curious if its good or not
https://pokepast.es/430935ee7c92ab40

main goal is for the main mons to get rid of sweepers and then shed tail and go to iron moth with 70% for 1 sp atk increase and another 50% for another so possibility for 2 sp atk increase which allows me to sweep

[paper moat]

@vast apex idk if you rate forte

[lone helm]

https://pokepast.es/d04a04c5854c059f

@paper moat

its... a team

[paper moat]

leafeon and jolteon dont have the movepool to work

[lone helm]

ill say

[paper moat]

tera is banned

[lone helm]

f

[paper moat]

what are these sets

id recommend using a sample team but there isnt any rn

https://pokepast.es/40fea8b2cae9457b
this team is pretty ok, just use it to get an understanding of the meta

[lone helm]

yea

[timid meadow]

Those names suck wow

[paper moat]

its

from

@urban arch

[urban arch]

:(

this is like the 6th version

i'm still not happy with it yet

i'm about to go full circle back to my original idea lmao

[dull blade]

https://pokepast.es/b4f93ca50bdd3e05 AAA give rate

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dull blade]

Wanna get back into the tier

[timid meadow]

ill rate once this mocc is done

one thing I notice right away is that the team is omega weak to hariyama

[dull blade]

Hmm true

Brave bird corv dosent really help does it

[surreal portal]

under screens no

[timid meadow]

no u'd need either a scream tail or pex

for ti

[timid meadow]

Also hadron is usually preferred if you’re running discharge anyways

As an ability

[paper moat]

thats one yes

water absorb garg is also kinda strange

[high trellis]

the one good physical water rn is part fightng, so i cant say wa salt rock guy is good

also if youre going lo hadron on future volc id say run fire blast

[timid meadow]

It’s for Kilo and Intel

[paper moat]

you could make moth desoland and garg sand stream instead

reminds me tranq you can technically steal lordbox's inteleon now

[timid meadow]

Sand stream is not the best with how easy it is to change weathers

[high trellis]

the av dragon there should handle kilo well

[timid meadow]

Vessel of Ruin or whatever it is is more reliable

Right ye

[high trellis]

if you really wanted a good water check you could run dirge

either the defensive one or the sub attacker

[timid meadow]

Alternatively you can run dirge or ceru

[high trellis]

chad future volc + sub dirge have pretty good synergy together bc future volc can break past av chomp and regen paldean megamence

and sub dirge can be a pain to deal with once those are dealt with

[timid meadow]

Yeah

[dull blade]

What is the sub dirge set

[vast apex]

I'd make skeledirge unaware since blaze isn't particularly useful I don't think, and unaware is just an insane ability to block set-up. I like having u-turn somewhre on meowscarada. you can honestly do overgrow and just run dual stab (knock, petal blizzard, and sucker punch + u-turn). I think put ID on iron treads somewhere. since you're using body press forte, ID acts as +2 atk and +2def as well. also you can run special attacks as well if you wanna go for mixed attacking (earth power or flash cannon). it looks fine otherwise

[high trellis]

Phantom Pt. II (Skeledirge) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Desolate Land / Earth Eater / Magic Guard
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 32 Def / 208 SpA / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Substitute
• Torch Song
• Shadow Ball
• Slack Off

enough def evs to avoid getting your sub broken by salt cure

enough speed evs to outspeed uninvested corb

dump the rest on spa

the immunities allow you to sit on more stuff, although not nesessarily to setup sub

on water types they often just lose when you get your sub even if they break it

but future donphan can annoy you with sub and chomp with the rock move it has at the moment

you still win vs them, unless the chomp has dtail + a rock move

you do want a lot of special attack evs to be able to do 50% to big jigglypuff and stop it from using you as setup fodder all willy nilly

i think the only three mons that can switch in and threaten out this set without not fearing much are wbb kingabit, paldean megamence, and av chomp

all other options have to either not match up vs the correct immunity, risk huge damage, cant stop you from subbing again, or have to run specifically run earthquake (if youre running dland)

[acoustic cradle]

any flutter mane kinda 6-0s

and you need tera types

aside from that im curious if "win before hazards become a problem" is valid rn

havent played the meta in a while

[acoustic cradle]

wait thats prank

every single time i see chansey i automatically assume imp

ok flare boost fm still beats you beads/pixi should be alright

change rapid spin to infest? maybe, or just anything

spins worthless on chans you get blocked by every ghost in the world

[surreal portal]

yeah the hazard removal is questionable, both as mono-mortal and as only on a band user (chansey spin does not count when there is basically nothing stopping arc-ghost from hardswitching in every time)

otherwise i'm not sure on the zacian in general (you don't lose to imp palk but you don't beat it either), idrk what cottonpress bounce is supposed to do when most things using sap can tear through it anyway (also idt you actually beat imp unless you get every tie right), and slaking 6-0s

for fixing it i'd probably just get rid of the zacian for something like a fur coat groudon (fairly sure prank chans already improofs palk + doesn't give good sap recovery unlike zac; chansey doesn't have min attack btw) with tidy up to fix the removal issue, and maybe changing arc-water to arc-ghost

a ghost isn't mandatory here but it makes slaking winning take ~40 turns instead of ~15, since you have a way to stop it just auto-piloting tera normal facade

(and opp actually has to think if king is v-create instead of wicked)

[high trellis]

https://pokepast.es/4143a9b10bdd0f04 help wdyd to stop losing to fast birds (aaa)

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[timid meadow]

You can tech stone edge on chomp, make treads WBB (idk what refrige is really hitting)

For talon

Also wcharge on scarf wing

[high trellis]

Its a lead

Like a suicide lead

Fridge is for the unblock able spin

[timid meadow]

Yeah that’s what I thought after looking again so ignore that

[high trellis]

252 Atk Slither Wing Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 268-316 (90.2 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

This makes me sad

Do not that running this much attack evs also means eating shit vs band meow

252 Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Slither Wing on a critical hit: 186-219 (59.8 - 70.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[sacred oriole]

Pick a different scarfer ig

Talonflame is very difficult for HO to handle

[high trellis]

What do you suggest

[sacred oriole]

Uh, crying?

Maybe Sandy? Maybe Kilo?

[high trellis]

Ill cry alright

Cry at you about banning them

Ut could you ban fast birds please?

[sacred oriole]

Lol no

[high trellis]

Regen washtom + umm

[sacred oriole]

Oh yeah him

[high trellis]

Is there a spinblocker that resists dark

[sacred oriole]

Quack

[high trellis]

Spinblocker

[sacred oriole]

Oh

By definition no

[high trellis]

Xd

That guy is my dark resist

I know

Free ghold

Wbb ghold would solve this

[timid meadow]

those quite literally cannot exist

unless dark absorb

[high trellis]

Thats the joke

[sacred oriole]

Well, Steels can now be spin blockers

[timid meadow]

pex really gets hazard removal and flip turn and scald in stab huh

what a lucky son of a gun

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/b9a52a88c165305c STABmons
Wanted to mess around with Weavile because the prospect of playing with a completely unnerfed Weavile sounded so fun in SV.

[umbral lava]

New STABmons RMT @tawdry geode, @broken kestrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid grove]

First team of the gen so probably not that good lol

Immediate things I've noticed is that the Tusk MU is very rough (probably not unplayable, but not ideal)

[orchid grove]

Ideally really only care abt keeping Weavile

[vast apex]

I’d make weavile ceaseless edge > low kick. you get a lot more value out of potentially setting up a spike than low kick, which only really hits non-tera’d garg off the top of my head. the main roadblock to weavile (also iron valiant) is toxapex, which is a bit of a 2 for 1 deal vs your team. I’d replace sandy shocks since it’s walled indefinitely by ting lu, which is commonly paired with pex defensively. a quick fix could be putting gholdengo > sandy shocks and using hazard stacking as away to keep pex low for your two attackers. alternatively you could do great tusks with covert cloak or something similar that way you’re not completely stonewalled by gholdengo + hazard stack yourself while being able to threaten pex + its partners. I also feel like decidueye could possibly work over corv since it has knock utility + can potentially force gholdengo out, making defog easier (as well as being a good great tusk check defefensively). I think you have several routes you could go, but I think the most expendable mon is sandy. I’d swap that for something that can assist you vs pex

[orchid grove]

Do you have a Spread I could run for Decidueye?

I'm not entirely sure how that would be most optimally EVd

or is it just Max Max

[vast apex]

off the top of my head I don’t have one. I think you can do with max/max (hp/def). you can possibly scrounge one up on the stabmons forums since ITH posted like 80 teams on there. they’re also potentially good references in the future since ITH is pretty good at stabmons

[orchid grove]

Decidueye @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Long Reach
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Apple Acid
• Infernal Parade
• Strength Sap
• Defog
  just to take a wild guess

Outspeeds Uninvested Tusk but I'm not entirely sure how relevant that is

Might be able to just not run Infernal Parade for Knock

[vast apex]

I wanna say run knock off > infernal parade, but that does take damage away from weavile. I think you can run a ghost move here like spirit shackle or rage fist. I’d check on the forums to see what ITH has ran on their spread. I do feel like a good amount of tusks are speed invested to creep each other

covert cloak is also a viable option on decidueye since it lets you wall garganacl and toxapex basically so long as you have cloak

[orchid grove]

Looked for ITH's
Deci (Decidueye) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Long Reach
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Impish Nature

• Rage Fist
• Grav Apple
• Strength Sap
• Jungle Healing/Defog
  found this instead

[vast apex]

I’d steal that with defog > jungle healing. I think possibly consider covert cloak > hdb on this team, but boots does work fine. though now I think you can replace corv for something else now that you have decidueye basically taking its role

[orchid grove]

yeah I already replaced Corv

with Decidueye

One thing I'm debating myself on is what variation of Tusk should I try running here over Shocks

[vast apex]

you can probably test it out with sandy shocks, but personally I don’t find sandy to be very good right now since it gets checked really hard by stuff like ting lu and other decidueyes

[orchid grove]

Still need Rocks in some capacity, but Idk if I should just go 3A or smth else.

[vast apex]

hard to fit rocks on great tusks I feel. you may have to fit it on ting lu as well or run a different mon altogether to get rocks

[orchid grove]

Oh yeah, Weav is running Cedge rn.

I uh kinda forgot lol

I could just do like 3A Shore Up Tusk or smth

[vast apex]

I’d also prob run eq > pblades on ting lu. I wouldn’t replace ceaseless on ting lu though bc you have it on weavile. it’s probably better if they just both have it since ting lu can spam it while it is situationally good on weavile

[orchid grove]

trying to think of any currently good offensive SR setters.

[vast apex]

you could just do dual hazards on ting lu with SR > parting shot and then something like def gholdengo > sandy shocks since it gives you a midground vs gyarados + hazard control is an option

[vast apex]

I think you can forgo rocks, but I do think that they’re pretty good rn since stuff like salamence and gyarados are on the up rn. that said I can’t think of any good rockers off the top of my head besides garg, which might not be what the team wants. you may just have to stick rocks + ceaseless onto ting and then put whatever > shocks

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/3a020c2bdf183d61
On to this now but I'm moreso worried now that if AV Pex is even enough to get in Weav and Valiant in consistently to make progress.

Of course it's still an AV Flip Turn Pex but like

[vast apex]

hmm I can see that. the lack of pivots can be a problem. it is probably not optimal but you can maybe do u-turn > rage fist. though a better option may be running a rotom form > gholdengo. it gives you a pivot and a mon that can threaten pex offensively

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/c2f2be917dada11f
Just took a random idea that popped into my Head of Giving WashTom Plot + Cloak to switch in on Pex and Garg more reliably and potentially become a bigger progress maker.

[vast apex]

that works yeah. a lot of room to experiment. ssap > roost is an option and you can run scarf with trick > NP or do 3A. I think you should test it and see what works best atp

[orchid grove]

Yeah I think SSap might be better.

Either way
ty, gonna try this out for now. Sorry if I was taking a while to sort things out.

https://pokepast.es/5016960efe106af9
Should be the finished team
(went back to Rage Fist simply bc I'm a lot more confident in pivoting with Plot Wash)

Pickpocket I can also see having Situationally more utility than Pressure on Weav

[vast apex]

yeah, that looks fine. pickpocket is probably better yeah. you can meme on pex and steal their item if you hadn’t already knocked it off

[fresh marten]

roost>strength sap

[zenith isle]

https://pokepast.es/e0cdb1d9ba727519 for mnm

someone please help

[normal marlin]

https://pokepast.es/72a833603668f427 STAB sun, can’t really think of what would fit in that last slot so I just shoved tusk in there

[high trellis]

Run lava plume over eruption on torkoal

And volt switch over electro drift on washtom

Youll def appreciate the pivoting

[normal marlin]

Thank you and fair enough

Lava plume I didn’t even think of

Washtom is more “yeah that’s a hindsight thing”
I was running Edrift to confirm an OHKO against Azu with minimal investment

[high trellis]

dont worry

the azuman wont bully you anymore

[normal marlin]

Banned?

[paper moat]

yeah

[normal marlin]

So is it smart to drop haze in favor of wisp on rotom?

[paper moat]

@hushed harbor

[hushed harbor]

https://pokepast.es/b90eef120a32992f

[hushed harbor]

AAA @timid meadow @dusk pasture

[timid meadow]

Couple of things:

• Moth should probably be Hadron engine, gives same boosts as SF and a boosted discharge, can drop energy ball for dazzling gleam since you have other things to beat garganacl (Quav) and it hits Roaring Moon and chomp
• I’d drop Aqua step for rapid spin so that the tea cup is fully healthy when it comes in, additionally you can also run brave bird > cc to hit desolate land ghosts like skeledirge or ceruledge
• I personally like the Fluffy Set for Roaring Moon on Hyper Offense teams (which I’ll tag @paper moat for the spread since I don’t have my comp with me), as it’s able to be a more effective win con

[hushed harbor]

ya meant this spread?
Roaring Moon @ Leftovers
Ability: Fluffy
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Jaw Lock
• Roost
• Taunt

[sacred oriole]

Roaring Moon @ Leftovers
Ability: Fluffy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Jaw Lock
• Roost
• Taunt

[timid meadow]

Yes

[sacred oriole]

Er, yes

[timid meadow]

The main thing with that is it beat Corv 1v1

Which is

Very nice

[hushed harbor]

this team is me tweaking a couple of things from nat's team tbh (esp cuz horo and yama are banned)

[hushed harbor]

ah I see

[hushed harbor]

alright thanks a lot

[timid meadow]

When can I write about this

Btw

[paper moat]

no

im taking it

and tlens hammer

[timid meadow]

You bonked me with that when I was midnight laddering

[paper moat]

mb cuh

i was preparing to write it and needed inspiration

[sacred oriole]

Ask GameFreak

Home is really frustrating right now

I don’t want to re-open analyses and face a no notice drop next week

But I also don’t want to keep them closed for a month for no reason

[dull blade]

Lol ratio

[gentle crater]

https://pokepast.es/890f54181a1da64e

SV ZU: Tera Ghost Curse SubSeed Tropius + Toxic Spike Balance

would like help polishing this team up; weakness ive noticed while testing are in the paste, ty!

[normal marlin]

Is ZU considered an OM?

[sacred oriole]

yes

[sacred oriole]

@near cairn friend for you

[near cairn]

:0

[normal marlin]

O dang ok my b

[near cairn]

There are quite a lot of issues with that team. First it is too slow and will get wrecked by any of the strong breaker paired with hazards, especially since eiscue doesn't have boots. Second Tropius is unviable, not only is your set completely shut down by taunt, but swalot being so common makes it really hard to use.

[gentle crater]

ive been thinking of some changes, such as chaging the tropius set to tera steel air slash, and replacing eiscue w somebody like toedscool, but this is just what im thinking off the top of my head. what should i do for better speed control?

[near cairn]

don't have 4 walls

and just don't use tropius, it is really bad imo

[prime bane]

https://pokepast.es/f01e3d0081315259 @near cairn more zu!

[near cairn]

i think that's too slow

tera fighting psychic types are a huge threat

pawn + zwei seems overkill

pawn doesn't even block defog that well because fletchinder can just demolish it

too many walls tbf, in my experience sv zu needs is too offensive for these passive teams

[prime bane]

i could run electrode over pawn

[near cairn]

it isbanned

[prime bane]

oh is it

i see it in the viability list

and its still valid

[near cairn]

because i was lazy

[prime bane]

oh well

[near cairn]

and that's because admins must be busy

idk

[prime bane]

https://pokepast.es/1d3fc58e0b46fd12

wb this

[near cairn]

that looks better

no fighting resist is tough tough

but you got tera ghost dunsparce

[topaz mango]

https://pokepast.es/d7217a8712325075 need advice

aaa

[sacred oriole]

I think I would replace Weavile with a more traditional breaker

[topaz mango]

Wugtrio gets sucker punch and if a move fails stopping tantrum does twice as much damage might be sum you should look into idk anything about zu though

[sacred oriole]

This team lacks power if you load into a fairy, particularly strong wall, or a few things get statused

Also why Sub Garg? That would be a nice slot to get rocks on this team

[topaz mango]

Weavile got banned awhile ago for technician beat up didn’t it? Like a lot of ous ago ik the metas changed but I’m tryna make a team based off it it’s been doing me pretty well ngl what would be a better wall breaker?

[sacred oriole]

To this end, I was thinking something like MGLO Lucario or Quacker

[topaz mango]

Sub garg is just fun and can destroy stall

Ngl i love lucario tbh

[sacred oriole]

Weavile lost Knock Off and Triple Axel, which were its two best moves

And it’s now no longer possible to run a cleric to remove status

So Weavile is much less effective

[topaz mango]

yea ig you right

Does the smogon site have a good aaa lucario set

[sacred oriole]

Uh yeah one sec

[topaz mango]

thank you

[sacred oriole]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/lucario/almost-any-ability/

[topaz mango]

I’m aboutta rock with lucario ngl I love a mon that can use physical and special

Thank you sm man

[sacred oriole]

Anytime

[topaz mango]

It has Close Combat, Steel Beam, Focus Blast, Nasty Plot no priority moves what you think? Chesnaught is kinda a problem for the team too

It wouldn’t help if it did have priority for that though lol

[sacred oriole]

Chesnaught is a bit of a problem yeah

You can intimidate cycle with Corv until Kilo lives and KOs back but that’s not ideal

But without a more fundamental change, that’s going to be a “cope and outplay” moment

[void flame]

if you have brave bird on cov you can switch to it on a chesnaught belly drum, drain punch should just barely not kill (+5 252+ Atk Triage Chesnaught Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 286-337 (71.5 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO) then brave bird kills both of you (0 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Chesnaught: 388-460 (102.1 - 121%) -- guaranteed OHKO )

[sacred oriole]

Switching in on belly drum does not work

Cause intimidate will activate first, then belly drum will go to +6

So you have to sack something, but Corv can revenge

[void flame]

my bad, but corv still lives the hit (+6 252+ Atk Chesnaught Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 327-385 (81.7 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery)

So with brave bird you can trade corv for chesnaught without sacking an other mons

not the best option but its fairly consistent

[normal marlin]

Wait doesn’t Chesnaught just click Drain Punch again? Unless I’m dumb and it’s not triage

Oh wait I’m dumb as I’m getting the turn orders messed up

[high trellis]

Unless rocks

+6 252+ Atk Chesnaught Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 327-385 (81.9 - 96.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

0 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Chesnaught through Reflect: 194-230 (51 - 60.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Also apparently it can live it through reflect?

Very fun

[normal marlin]

I would say “just use a Ghost Type” but like the only good few were too good and got banned

I guess ceruledge maybe? But then you die to EQ

[high trellis]

Youre faster, so not quite

You know, chester the former spikes setter might get banned

[normal marlin]

I Hope instead triage gets banned (several abusers)

But idk if the AAA council wants to do that

[sacred oriole]

Currently, we don't

but it's on the able, especially if Chesnaught and/or any other Triage mons get broke

[high trellis]

Ban belly drum

[sacred oriole]

No

[timid meadow]

You outspeed and kill with bitter blade in desolate land

Dirge you have to ev

I’ve played a good bit of post yama ban aaa and haven’t seen ches once outside of using it myself

It’s something you have to consider yes, but worse bulk, typing and power is very very noticeable

[normal marlin]

That’s fair

[timid meadow]

But it still can auto win stuff if you don’t prep

But that goes for a good amount of stuff

[high trellis]

https://pokepast.es/932a4be9e7b2770b what do you think of my friends (aaa)

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred oriole]

Even with all the priority, I don’t love that you have no native fast mons

And Regen Gambit is an odd pick on HO

I would probably like to see something like Meow or Greninja in that slot

Oh this team is 6-0ed by opposing chesnaught lol

[high trellis]

ill simply not let it set up

i do think i have enough mons to not let it set up

[high trellis]

yeah i was thinking i should make it like adapt lefties or smt

i wanted some longevity, and i wanted smt to deal with triage hatt

and smt to fuck with big jigglypuff

once again, all my woes would be fixed if i had the ghold

@sacred oriole are you freeing ghold when homecomings?

[sacred oriole]

No, because home isn’t real

[high trellis]

if home was real, would you?

[sacred oriole]

@echo lodge said no

[high trellis]

boo

if ghold only had shadow ball, make it rain, nplot, recover, sub, and trick would you free it?

[echo lodge]

No

[high trellis]

cmon, uuhhh goodrah checks it?

shadow ball av melo?

[sacred oriole]

If we banned shadow ball maybe

[high trellis]

xd

its shadow ball suspect time

[high trellis]

btw do you have an opinion on the team i posted

what do you think of my friends

[echo lodge]

adapt lefties kingambit sounds okay I suppose, but the team is awfully slow in general and also doesn't really have any outs vs opposing offense

So I think there's definitely value in opting for something fast instead

[high trellis]

I am open to suggestions

What should i try to fit

[echo lodge]

^

[high trellis]

After playing ive come to the conclusion that gamblers defensive profile + simply hitting the chester lets me deal with fast stuff

And hatt kiss

[high trellis]

https://pokepast.es/8df47575f39ffd37 last one before presumably home

woodman was funny and all but nozomi works as an emergency mon and what not

(what do you think of my aaa friends)

[sacred oriole]

I feel like only half your team uses the screens

[high trellis]

Youd be surprised just how invincible gambler is behind screens

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9almostanyability-1873533902-bxytrdgru21erzjy12rctxt55owbzbtpw

Proof

[topaz mango]

https://pokepast.es/7b7b94daed82a7af aaa

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz mango]

Landorus and groudon and usable in aaa for some odd reason trying to use them before they get banned

[timid meadow]

Lando is actually not that great

[echo lodge]

I'd hold off on posting rmts

[timid meadow]

But yes

That

[echo lodge]

For maybe a week or so

[timid meadow]

Some stuff will be banned likely

So TBD ™️

[topaz mango]

what do you think is great rn?

[timid meadow]

Sheer force enamorus

[topaz mango]

ah alright because everythings new? people needa see whats good

[topaz mango]

taking notes is that all

[timid meadow]

Banded Sword of Ruin Sneasler (or if ur demonic Ring Target with serene grace)

[topaz mango]

ahhh smart thank u man

[surreal portal]

probably the main issue here is that you don't have a good response into fire attackers, as both inherently beat your resists (ace with hjk, arc-h with head smash)

also regular lando with sflo is just stronger than flame orb + flare boost

both in terms of damage and not taking constant chip

[topaz mango]

Sorry for late response any other advice you can give those defenses work well but you are right destroyed my cinderace and arc-h I revamped and using some better attackers now still need some advice on defenders https://pokepast.es/8dd576b9bb809061

[surreal portal]

wouldn't recommend draining kiss enam (you're never clicking it) or shadow claw sneasler (fire punch exists, claw doesn't hit anything, also make it sword of ruin)

there's still not really any good fire answer here so i'd maybe consider a physdef garchomp or something

[topaz mango]

Shadow claw im clicking sometimes saw a intrepid flame charge skeledirge 😭😭 your right about drain kiss though I switched it with calm mind Idk about a physdef garchomp I think personally a Av regenerator garchomp is really good if I were to use it I’d rather switch roaring moon for that but if I weren’t to switch roaring moon a physdef gsrchomp would answer the problems but what’d I switch it for?

[topaz mango]

I’m also trying to switch meowscarada for sum Idek what though I need queenly majesty in my opinion for certain triage mons

Also a ursaluna with drain punch belly drum triage im very considering

[surreal portal]

physdef chomp is likely what you'd replace meowscarada with

fluffy dragon tail is likely sufficient counterplay for ursa

and heavy slam garg might be desirable to force out enamorus

[topaz mango]

I’d have to run sum like rest wouldn’t I? To keep healthy

https://pokepast.es/97681816c4eb4f07

[fading trellis]

https://pokepast.es/6ac5a81bf6e7efd8
my rain team is any good?

[dusk pasture]

wrong forum lol

this is for OMs not OU

[fading trellis]

sorry

[void flame]

https://pokepast.es/69c442861fcbef34 trademarked HO team

Posted an earlier version on forums but trying to see if there are any other way to improve

[sacred oriole]

Tailwind + Choice Scarf is overkill

I’d make that specs or lo

I would probably rather replace Garg with a TWave spammer like Pult to keep up the HO vibe

And with two paralysis spammers, you can get away with Hound not boosting spread

I hate how wisp weak your team is though; they neuter you main wincons

But I guess Enam is better on that front?

[void flame]

I deal@with it through facade and enam yeah

I do just switch to Garg once legion starts to get low

Then Garg has a good chance of exploding on a wall or Salt curing

The I let houndstone go for a bit then once that dies I healing wish the legion back to full

Pult might get a Twave off on an attacker before dieing but when I would switch it in it would be to take a hit for legion

The point of everything is if it doesn’t know last respects to kill itself and enable a Pokémon with last respects or disable the opponent as fast as possible

The scarf on the enam doesn’t really serv a purpose, but it usually never attacks anyways

I’d prob switch to something like sash

It started as a meme but actually kinda worked in practice because last respect isn’t balanced

[sacred oriole]

Yeah

We need to ban that

[void flame]

I think hound with respects has a semblance of balanced as to give it speed you have to go out of your way, but legion just gets a free +2 speed in trademarked

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/6c7be733a1932367
Godly Gift
will tech Gira's EVs more specifically later, but it basically just outspeeds Jolly IceRex

[umbral lava]

New GG RMT @sacred oriole, @vast apex, @broken kestrel, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred oriole]

First off, you know tera is banned in Gg right?

I notice you set your tera types

[orchid grove]

Not until I started playing but it doesn't matter now anyway lol.

[sacred oriole]

You’re Kyogre switchin is extremely limited

Which since the team is pretty slow other than Pult, is worrying

[orchid grove]

Thought WashTom + Tina Should be enough at least short term
I could make WashTom Sp. Def.

[sacred oriole]

I would think about Gastro or Clod

If you go SpD Washtom, then you risk getting overloaded by Ray / Groudon more easily

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/3d2dfbbc7d943678
anyway

Also I'm starting to question HisuiBrav, but I have no idea what else could even go here.

[sacred oriole]

Looks fine at first brush at least

[orchid grove]

Like Tinted Lens BB is cool and all but like

[sacred oriole]

Meta is early, so really hard to say for sure but

[orchid grove]

it kinda doesn't really do anything in practice?

[sacred oriole]

Hot take: put Zapdos there

Thunderbolt + Brave bird is like, really good coverage

You get more Static

[orchid grove]

Is there a specific spread you have?

I've heard about BB Zap Last gen, but I've never used it myself.

[sacred oriole]

I haven’t used it this gen, I imagine you need some bulk to check Tusk

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/0847957b06dc7752
like this?

Isn't 2HKO'd by Banded Jolly Tusk CC, and outspeeds 240s.

[sacred oriole]

Seems good enough to me

[orchid grove]

messed around with EVs a bit too.

[vast apex]

this feels like it would want a different god than giratina I feel like. maybe it is just personal building philosophy but I feel like giratina-o prefers bulkier teammates. I feel like you can go with arceus-ghost and get the same feel with more flexibility while getting +20 def/spdef on volcarona and tusks but -30HP on rotom. what are you trying to go for with this team?

[orchid grove]

Uh
I just got one problem
I was trying to build Gira-O.

But yeah I could save this and just do smth else.

[vast apex]

hmm I don’t think giratina-o is in a very great position right now, but I think we can definitely give it a shot

[orchid grove]

if memory serves me right idt it's ever really been "good" per say right?

Always between kinda okay to bad.

[sacred oriole]

It was serviceable late last Gen

Not really good, but viable

[vast apex]

hmm I think I prefer diancie in the HP slot actually. it can soft check a lot of things with 150/150/150 bulk while giving you stealth rocks and you can put spikes on gastrodon instead. you can have a soft hazard stack core going. I am a bit sure of zapdos in the atk slot, but I do think you want something to help vs grounds. clodsire seems really strong vs your team, so I think something in the atk slot that can help vs that. give me a sec to think of something

@sacred oriole what’s something in the atk slot that can help vs clodsire and grounds?

[sacred oriole]

Most grounds: Zapdos

Clodsire too? Uh

[vast apex]

I can only think of corviknight in the atk slot

[sacred oriole]

That doesn’t beat any grounds really

Just doesn’t lose to them

[vast apex]

I was thinking BU corv

since defog is covered by giratina already

[orchid grove]

https://pokepast.es/f29b790655f13e68
This is the best I could come up with that.

iirc this is only 3HKO'd By Offensive Tusk's CC?

I just ripped this from ND and make changes where I saw fit so that could be different.

might make Tina wisp though since Pressure Stalling + Twave is uh
very counter intuitive.

[vast apex]

could work yeah. you at least have pivots that you can use vs great tusks like giratina and volcarona. though I don't think this team will be very good atm since the meta is just very unkind to it rn

I think it'll get better as the meta slowly becomes less chaotic

you could also do bulk > substitute for a way to hit steel types as well

[orchid grove]

I'm aware the meta's probably not in a state where this type of structure would be consistent, it had just dawned on me with Giratina's Return that I had never properly built it and wanted to give it a try at least.

[vast apex]

I think once the broken is slowly phased out, this will be come much more playable at least

[orchid grove]

I hope so, I'm starting to grow proud of this :(

[slim monolith]

magearna looks like a nightmare but past that im gonna have to agree

and mage is broken anyway

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal portal]

probably the main issue here is that the groudon improof is risky due to moldy; if dondozo is weakened then you're forced to take toxic with groudon

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal portal]

the ghost strat works fine if the spdef wall is zacian but dialga-o is really annoying (immune to trick) and chansey is basically unbreakable even if its given specs

scales is always crystal

discord being fucked prob

you massively struggle to actually PP stall it due to doing no damage + your one hazard setter being passive and prone to bounce

wtf lmao

flare boost flutter does well at annoying chansey w/ pain split

and can barely be touched outside of salt cure

probably need to make it prankster

prank corv may be necessary to improof don if you're dropping flame orb, otherwise flame orb haze/recover/teleport/glare or tox probably works

probably need to make it prankster

you need the slow pivoting to keep whatever you're bringing in safe from status

and gives you a pivoting option that ting-lu doesn't block

decent amount of pranks do use slow pivoting to do it against ting, tp is just that but slightly different

i mean yeah they're functionally the same

if you're 3 status + pivot prank, if they go first they used a status move, if you go first they're also pivoting

[golden loom]

@sacred oriole @echo lodge Pokepaste is being stupid so here

oh wait gholdengo is banned.

[echo lodge]

Yeah...

[golden loom]

I noticed I need a water resist

Thinking of Prim Sea Rotom Wash

[echo lodge]

That could work

I'm not sure I understand what substitute enamorus does

Its switchins all benefit from you not attacking

Because that means you can't 2HKO them

[golden loom]

Yeah I'm not really sure how this new meta works

so some of the sets are probably

I think I need a ghost type.

[timid meadow]

Just run super power or play rough over sub

Super power hits things like Earth Eater Tran and Goodra-H, while play rough is more effective vs special walls and can 2HKO AV Meloetta and Muk that it’s coverage can’t

[golden loom]

how many attack evs

[timid meadow]

4 usually but you can be greedy and run more ig

Idk/haven’t calced the spread needed for thresholds though

[quick gorge]

@frosty quiver pokepaste is down

[frosty quiver]

Wrong channel

But there’s a few thing a wrong here

At the moment, initial thoughts are leaning towards bulk up/espeed/knock/bitter blade being the best move set for hemo

That sneasler set ain’t it, I think unburden with normal gem fake out and SD is best atm

This team gets smashed by miasmaw

[quick gorge]

I didn't see the cap thread

mb

what checks miasmaw tho

[indigo depot]

Any suggestions on how to improve this team?

[sacred oriole]

Try #1059714627384115290

[indigo depot]

Thx

[sacred oriole]

Wait this is monotype

Try Mono rates

[fossil cove]

made an alphabet cup team using some sets (new to this format btw) https://pokepast.es/e3eb145aaf891379

[topaz mango]

https://pokepast.es/8739b9915cb373cb https://pokepast.es/37fdc9c33cb3e839 https://pokepast.es/0c074c16527161b9 taking all advice the third has sneasler which just got banned, im just trying to make a good team keep trying with different things AAA

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[timid meadow]

I’ll get to it in 15 if no one else has

Third team has sneasler which is banned btw

[topaz mango]

Id love to hear what you have to say even if someone else says something take ur time

[timid meadow]

Just doing a quick look

[topaz mango]

Yea ik just wanted to include I liked the team personally before it got banned

[timid meadow]

Ah ok I see

[sacred oriole]

Generally just post one at a time so we can focus on it; which one do you want to consider first?

[topaz mango]

Top one tbh I love gyarados easy sweeper

in any case Id rather not do all 3 teams and more focus on creating one the other ones are really just suggestions in this meta I like cresselia too another easy sweeper but has easy counters if you get to it quick hippowdon can use stamina and do his job pretty well

[sacred oriole]

I really worry about that team into Enam; garg is the only thing that eats Moonblast, and not well with any chip

Especially since the only way to force it out is Scarf Hoopa, and you have no reliable pivot in

[topaz mango]

True, enam is kinda the hottest thing in the meta currently what would u suggest as other spd tanks?

[sacred oriole]

I would consider Melo over Moon, it has a better matchup

And can deny Corv roosting on it with Tbolt

[topaz mango]

melo? meleotta? ive never even thought of using her tbh

it does have a great spd and health av would be pretty nice

would you suggest an av regenerator set?

Meloetta @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature

• Thunderbolt
• Psyshock
• U-turn

im having a tough time picking the last move hyper voice for stab?

[sacred oriole]

I usually run Low Kick

Gets 120 BP on some nice targets like Tran and Treads

But yeah it’s a nice regenvest pivot

[topaz mango]

Perfect

https://pokepast.es/f5b4196f24f42732 i think its great

Any other advice?

Im also not the biggest fan of hoopa tbh I was looking for alternatives

[sacred oriole]

Minspeed the Melo so it slow pivots better imo

The problem with this team is it doesn’t have a good breaker, and if you replace Hoopa it lacks speed control

And it’s kinda hard to do both in one slot

[timid meadow]

What I would do is replace Garg, it feels a bit awkward/redundant when Meloetta already is ur special pivot

[sacred oriole]

If you want to keep Garg, maybe SD Pao or Specs Greninja could work

Otherwise yeah replace Garg and Hoopa, one with a breaker and one with speed control

[topaz mango]

Garg is a lovable mon but I wouldnt mind to switch

[topaz mango]

greninja with gyarados sounds kinda eh id rather do chien pao unless id switch gyarados with something else

If i changed garg I could do like zap cannon zapdos

[timid meadow]

Zap Cannon Zapdos with a scarf physical attacker like Meowscarda, Slither Wing (Broken) or Zapdos-G sounds nice

[sacred oriole]

Zap-G is broken again

[timid meadow]

Yeah it kinda is..

[topaz mango]

whats zapdos-g?

[sacred oriole]

Banded SoR

Adamant beats Intimidate Corv

You still can’t touch fluffy but meh

[topaz mango]

ohhh galar

[timid meadow]

But what if you run the good move

Thundy kick

You’ll win (eventually)

[topaz mango]

ahh so make a team with him

https://pokepast.es/2c34739d05ca4756 check dis

[timid meadow]

what is mold breaker for in particular for gyara

[paper moat]

at this point fluffy should just be ignored as an excuse

[timid meadow]

because I kinda like fluffy as a bulky win condition

[paper moat]

the only real corv is intim

[topaz mango]

earth eater anything

Im getting recked by a regieleki rn though team got some problems lmao

[timid meadow]

most earth eaters are usually steels or fires that gyara should be beating

[topaz mango]

yea u right tbh

[paper moat]

you should run fluffy gyara here maybe

[topaz mango]

I never thought of that

[timid meadow]

thats just what i said lol

[paper moat]

oh im dumb

[topaz mango]

tbh though a refrigerate regieleki stormed my ass

[paper moat]

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Fluffy
EVs: 248 HP / 76 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Waterfall
• Taunt
• Stone Edge

[topaz mango]

man had a charzard on his team too

[paper moat]

lekis not really a common / good mon at all

[topaz mango]

good mon?

darn

[paper moat]

it was unranked last gen

[timid meadow]

wait why stone edge

[paper moat]

thats the analysis set

no, sample set

[topaz mango]

eq over stone edge?

[timid meadow]

generally yes

hit pex, desoland fires

electrics

[topaz mango]

also what would u think a replacement for regieleki would be?

[paper moat]

@sacred oriole do you know why its edge?

[timid meadow]

you can probs run no guard zapdos with hdb tbh

[paper moat]

if you wanted a fast electric type probably scarf sandy, if not yeah zapdos

[timid meadow]

u already have speed control w/ zapdos-g

[topaz mango]

ehhh i was considering zapdos but brave bird

I want more coverage tbh

too many flying

[timid meadow]

lowkey flying type spam is good rn

but u may be right

one of my post home teams have 4 flying types

loll

[topaz mango]

well tbh its not bad to have too much of one but if i were to bring too much electric and tbh i like to run more than 1 ground type

garchomp + iron treads

maybe something like deso chi yu

team has 0 fire dark or psy coverage if I used a scarf or specs

Specs could go hard a lotta easy damage

https://pokepast.es/90417c73ee4fa860

[timid meadow]

Ngl I do kinda like chi-yu rn as it roasts meloetta

But

The primordial sea zapdos matchup is kinda a pain rn

[topaz mango]

weather ball isnt on zapdos

[timid meadow]

I mean more that

It resists both Gyara and Zapdos-G

And can switch in on chi-yu fire moves

[topaz mango]

you are right tbh

[timid meadow]

It’s manageable tbh if you u-turn with zapdos or what not but maybe as a precautionary we actually do put edge on Gyara

So we did find a niche for it

LOL

Well

[topaz mango]

Gyara with a dd would smack it zapdos is the only major threat then

[timid meadow]

Zapdos doesn’t really wanna switch into Gyara directly

It’d likely be

Corv ~> zapdos

[topaz mango]

I mean yea but 4 times damage any man would risk it to get that type of damage on it

motor drive though is a scary ass ability

I mean ngl if we put motor drive on it itd solve all the problems

I mean also wouldnt water fall massacre zapdos in primordial sea

[timid meadow]

Motor drive can work

DD Gyara can kinda have the luxury of running it

[sacred oriole]

Do I know why what’s Edge

[paper moat]

why is fluffy gyarados edge > quake

[topaz mango]

tbh got murdered by zapdos

[sacred oriole]

No idea, I never ran fluffy Gyara

[timid meadow]

Oh

[topaz mango]

you missing out man

[timid meadow]

Desoland Volc

That’s why

[topaz mango]

ever play uu

[paper moat]

doesnt eq still smack it hard enough

[topaz mango]

running volcarona wouldnt be bad in this point in the meta garg isnt used anymore

[timid meadow]

Bulky variants can easily live, wisp and then Uturn to something else

Or just fiery dance spam

[paper moat]

true

[topaz mango]

I feel like meleotta isnt enough to be the only spd tank on a team i'd something else is needed

garg would prolly be fire

[timid meadow]

Melo actually is in most cases

[sacred oriole]

It’s fine for bulky offense / offense

[timid meadow]

It’s bulk is good for those archetypes and can keep up momentum

[sacred oriole]

If you’re going for balance / fat, yeah you need another guy

[zenith isle]

i am once again asking for a mix and mega rate (pretty please) https://pokepast.es/e0cdb1d9ba727519

[fresh marten]

instead of psyshock give falemthrwoer to scream

also aerodactylite is better on moon

[zenith isle]

alrighty thank you

[topaz mango]

https://pokepast.es/5fe78e4e1d165207 ive been losing a lot with it ngl I just dont think gyarados is for the team should I use something like roaring moon instead and then maybe switch chi-yu aaa

aaa

https://pokepast.es/76e4e2f0ea341d9d I was trying to do something with enamorus but I honestly have no idea what to put the last spot in I think i need something with queenly majesty tbh maybe meowscarada?

[umbral lava]

New BH RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal portal]

uhh

[topaz mango]

hello guzzler

wrong meta lol

[surreal portal]

the bot may be slightly confused

[oak topaz]

big bh rate

[topaz mango]

aaa lol

[surreal portal]

the main issue with the first team is gyarados as a whole is kind of just mid + you only have one mon (gapdos) that's really supporting it

[topaz mango]

yea ur right I just wanted a mon with dd for sweeping tbh gyarados had me right in uu

Any ideas? roaring moon maybe

strong jaw roaring moon could be pretty goof

[surreal portal]

if you want strictly dragon dance, then moon is probably the best option

you could probably do sor moon + adapt gapdos given the only difference in zap's ability is u-turn

[topaz mango]

ones good enough lol

I heard zapdos was broken

its pretty meh in my opinion

thundurus kick is the only good thing about it

[surreal portal]

gapdos was really prevalent last gen but not so much now

stuff is generally just bulkier and fluffy is free

[timid meadow]

Eh Gyara actually beats Corv 1v1

While moon never will

I think gyara is fine

[surreal portal]

i mean that depends on what you want the ddancer to do

sweep or 1v1 corv

bc i doubt leftovers, 76 atk, non-ability gyarados is going to be sweeping most teams

[high trellis]

Cant paldean mence 1v1 corber with fluffy?

[timid meadow]

Yes but at that point ur sacrificing 3-4 moves and an ability to beat Corv (usually for HO teams)

And uh with triage being on a lot of teams idek how good that set is

[fresh marten]

gyarados needs flying stab so body slam air

[paper moat]

it doesnt "need" it

[topaz mango]

I was messing with aerilate gyarados tbh fluffy would work much better in situations. you wouldnt a gyarados against a special attacker eq and stone edge can work well if the team ur facing is right but honestly gyarados is kinda ass

[high trellis]

You mean a setup move and roost?

And beating corb is not the only use for fluffy

[timid meadow]

You need taunt too

Otherwise Corv wins

Or stail

[golden tendon]

https://pokepast.es/ff826898ac3ee0a9

AAA team

pls gib advice

[timid meadow]

Huh aaa pings didn’t work but I’ll get to it in a second if no one else has

[golden tendon]

ok ty

[timid meadow]

( @sacred oriole @echo lodge @dusk pasture beep boop)

[topaz mango]

garchomp can be a really good attacker and a tank I just think what you have on him is kinda a waste you have wide lens for 100% dragon tail but the set isnt really meant to take hits its not terrible though but I'd give garchomp regenerator life orb if you want garchomp to be a physical attacker but what id do personally is make it a special defense tank with regenerator and av and make scream tail pixilate boomburst the set you have is already really good at taking hits and healing itself efficiently regenerator is kinda useless and if you do that to ur garchomp id also switch corviknights ability if you have an av garchomp you dont need volt absorb id give it intimidate or wandering spirit since you do have a lot of physical tanks lmk if you have any more questions but i'd wait on those 3 they'd give way better advice than me

[golden tendon]

ok ty

i actually replaced garchomp with refrigerate meloetta for coverage but ill put it back and try regen on it

[topaz mango]

Tbh you could do either one av regen meloetta isnt bad either I use that on my team rn but I'd go with garchomp tbh av regenerator is pretty good also make the evs all the way up spd and health

[topaz mango]

for garchomp id run like stone edge eq dragon tail and facade corrosion is something you should beware of and ur regen mon is prolly the pokemon whos gonna wanna take that status

[golden tendon]

ok thx

How do I deal with Enamorous btw? She deals at least half health to every Pokémon I have on my team with moonblast 💀

[dusk pasture]

this team seems real odd

particularly fluffy muk and sap sipper garchomp?

dont seem useful at all

amuk is better used as a regenvest mon

garchomp similarly or with fluffy sets

you dont have a great answer to gambit as well so body press intim corv may be better

[high trellis]

You either run some tough to fit ee fire or run a standard regen vest mon and the hope they don't hit you with the most common tech for enam

(mixed sflo)

[golden tendon]

Enamorous is cringe af lol I can’t stand her

[high trellis]

good news

[raven cipher]

https://pokepast.es/27c6eb68b283c27f
tried making a trademarked team, wanna keep clodsire as much as possible

[void flame]

What’s the nature on typhlosion?

I’m guessing timid

[raven cipher]

yeah timid

[void flame]

Is the idea to pressure Blissey with physical attackers to kill it or stop it from wanting to come in?

Because I can’t tell how well it does that, but I do know Blissey both is a hard counter to typhlosion and can heal bell the dual status from clod and pull all at once on switch in

[sacred oriole]

Your teams physical bulk is pretty poor

Maybe something like a reflect Corv?

Also eases your spikes weakness