OM Rates

[sacred oriole]

End of year

[urban arch]

man i should've done dnite sus

[sacred oriole]

If you’d done every SV AAA suspect, you’d only need two more for TC

[urban arch]

i only have 2 so sad

ss aaa also counts towards aaa tc right

[sacred oriole]

Yes

[urban arch]

https://pokepast.es/a559e7862953de0e

@sacred oriole the clicker.

[sacred oriole]

Protosynthesis

[urban arch]

omw to delete myself

[sacred oriole]

Assuming that’s regen

[urban arch]

oh and i loaded into tnm with protosynthesis asw

[echo lodge]

I would consider baneful bunker pex instead

[urban arch]

over tspikes?

[echo lodge]

yeah, so you can get procs on uturn moths and just

w/e else in general

It's an either/or situation though

[urban arch]

what do i do when mglo quaq clicks aqua step

body slam pex

[sacred oriole]

I think Corv wins the 1v1 if healthy?

I’m too lazy to calc rn

[urban arch]

idts

and even so it's kinda pressured

[sacred oriole]

+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Quaquaval Wave Crash vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 274-325 (68.6 - 81.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Quaquaval: 278-330 (89.3 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

if you switch into SD and it has taken any chip, you win

if you siwtch into Aqua Step, you win harder

[urban arch]

what if it keeps clicking bu

nvm then i can u turn into kilo

so unless they play insane mindgames and reads

[sacred oriole]

Is it 100% fool proof counterplay? No

Is it comfortable enough to say “just outplay”? Sure

Also Quacker can only run four of the nine moves it wants

Should be fine

[valid vapor]

https://pokepast.es/5fdca821a8e51527

[sacred oriole]

@timid meadow prove your worth

[timid meadow]

The team lacks speed control, so I think something like scarf armarougue with psyterrain could make more sense (and zoroak-h is already a solid special attacker)

cause otherwise this team can be pressured by something like chien-pao.

Other than that looks solid to me, but something like DD roaring moon could be an issue (the ev's of quaq could be changed to handle that though)

[dusk pasture]

could run max HP quav to cope better against chien pao

[west bobcat]

STABmons
Decided to do Hydro steam gren on sun bc Why the f not (Pokèpaste was hurt in the making of this team,No like It was NOT OPENING LOL)

Greninja @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Flip Turn
• Fiery Wrath
• Gunk Shot
• Hydro Steam

Torkoal @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Eruption
• Earth Power
• Curse
• Will-O-Wisp

Roaring Moon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Glaive Rush
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Earthquake

Iron Valiant @ Choice Band
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Triple Arrows
• Magical Torque
• Knock Off
• Mach Punch

Great Tusk @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Headlong Rush
• Close Combat
• Knock Off
• Triple Arrows

Hatterene (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fleur Cannon
• Thunder Wave
• Calm Mind
• Healing Wish

[urban arch]

use pastebin instead then

[urban arch]

https://pastebin.com/eYJdXX8q

@sacred oriole @dusk pasture

i uh

tried to build offense

i might want an mgloer, garg is annoying

[sacred oriole]

Don’t forget to minspeed Corv

I am not sure I love bulletproof treads here

[urban arch]

ok yea i guess i handle ghosts ok

[sacred oriole]

If you want a MG, MGLO Quacker over Kilo should work fine

[urban arch]

not sure if my offense is very coherent

[timid meadow]

Gosh looking at a pastebin is so cursed for a team

[timid meadow]

yeah but then the team doesn't have any special attacker :L

in a meta which they're very potent rn

[urban arch]

i was considering zoroark

i guess i can go moth over ace?

[sacred oriole]

I’m a big believer in physical spam

[timid meadow]

I think ace is fine here

[sacred oriole]

You also want the secondary removal if using banded Pao

[urban arch]

25% from rocks isn't that much

is it

[timid meadow]

well with spikes residual too it can add up

Keeping Pao healthy is nice for if it faces priority.

[urban arch]

how do you lay both vs offense

[timid meadow]

depends on the spiker

[sacred oriole]

Wait why aren’t you a comp helper

Solved

[timid meadow]

aren't you the one in charge of that

lol

[sacred oriole]

In charge no, have input yes

But congrats and welcome!

[timid meadow]

thanks

[urban arch]

why not

is it bulletproof or is it treads

[sacred oriole]

I am always skeptical of non-regen treads

[timid meadow]

it on treads is a weird fit, think it would make more sense on gambit if you were to use it

[urban arch]

idk a sample uses it

[safe cave]

Ok I don’t think there are any crossevo raters here

[sacred oriole]

Uh in the hills is here

KaenSoul and ponchlake play every meta

So I assume they can ratw

[safe cave]

Oh ok

Should I ping them

[urban arch]

what if mglo luc over kilo

[safe cave]

This btw

@tawdry geode

[urban arch]

pokepaste is down atm

use pastebin

[safe cave]

Kk

https://pastebin.com/i0APGiVx

[urban arch]

i really can't figure out anything better than luc over kingambit and wbb on treads

[west bobcat]

https://pastebin.com/uM2U75vK
Uhhhh hi?

[urban arch]

@sacred oriole https://pastebin.com/0k7hwM7e
i can't maintain a cohesive and synergistic offensive core whilst also using that offensive core to check things on the side

and i don't think cb pao is enough speed control so i added scarf quaq

i also haven't played much offense this gen or even last gen so i probably shouldn't be building it in the first place

[tawdry geode]

i dont have major notes as crossevo is a lot about experimenting with new ideas and seeing what sticks, but i think the team could use a little type variation with its special attackers since houndour and litleo cover similar bases. instead of houndour i think misdreavus would be a nice QD mon for you to try out. the crabrawler set is fine too but i think having something that can tank hits in a pinch while setting up would be nice, so i think mankey evolving into gyarados would be good
Volcarona (Misdreavus) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Draining Kiss
• Taunt
• Quiver Dance

Gyarados (Mankey)
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Acrobatics
• Close Combat
• Earthquake
• Dragon Dance

[safe cave]

Sounds good, could I use dgleam > dkiss on misdreavus

For extra damage

[tawdry geode]

neat team, i think 3 choice scarf users is a bit unecessary and with sun i think it's not necessary to have them. for example, this roaring moon set gets the speed boost from protosynthesis which allows it to run choice band freely for the same speed with more power
Roaring Moon @ Choice Band
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 32 HP / 220 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Glaive Rush
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Earthquake
  choice scarf great tusk seems unecessary as well, i think having something with some defensive utility while still keeping offensive pressure would be something this team needs
  Great Tusk @ Covert Cloak
  Ability: Protosynthesis
  Tera Type: Water
  EVs: 252 HP / 92 Atk / 164 Spe
  Adamant Nature
• Precipice Blades
• Triple Arrows
• Rapid Spin
• Shore Up
  this also helps keep hazards off the field in conjunction with hatterene, so you can switch up your torkoal set to something more optimal
  Torkoal @ Heat Rock
  Ability: Drought
  EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
  Tera Type: Water
  Bold Nature
• Lava Plume
• Body Press
• Rapid Spin
• Stealth Rock
  I think the Hatterene set is decent but could use some optimization, you honestly can go two ways here depending on what you want to accomplish with hatterene, though i would recommend using it as a pivot in a pinch with eject button, which can bring in greninja or roaring moon easily
  Hatterene @ Eject Button
  Ability: Magic Bounce
  Tera Type: Poison
  EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 52 SpA / 12 Spe
  Modest Nature
  IVs: 0 Atk
• Lumina Crash
• Draining Kiss
• Mystical Fire
• Healing Wish

Hatterene @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Lumina Crash
• Draining Kiss
• Moonlight
  if you want to commit to a calm mind set though i think this would be best

[west bobcat]

Uh thanks!

[topaz mango]

anyone help with pokebilities in the finals for a tournament

[slim monolith]

not for here, we rate completed teams only

[topaz mango]

it is completed

[slim monolith]

ask in #comp-general or #comp-general-2

[topaz mango]

could i dm u the team>

[slim monolith]

post here in a pastebin

[topaz mango]

pastebin down

[slim monolith]

n thats pokepaste

specifically use pastebin for now

[topaz mango]

ah shoot its aboutta start

nvm wish me luck

[slim monolith]

example

ah gl

[topaz mango]

I won aye

https://pastebin.com/bNkFc5VL

used this to win

[topaz mango]

Anyone help me make an awesome pokebilities team?

[topaz mango]

u there??

[slim monolith]

i cant rate pokebilities teams sry

[topaz mango]

Ah darn

[slim monolith]

@dim timber u able to cover this one?

[topaz mango]

I have many things to ask

[dim timber]

ah you were TheStateLaw in the latest tour?

[topaz mango]

yesss

oh wait i saw u u watched

[dim timber]

yeah haha

[topaz mango]

thank u for watching

it was a very interesting battle the whole teams based around berrserker so when I lost him turn 5 I thought it was over LOL

its a very challenging meta but theres a lotta interesting good things you can use Toxtricity gets snarl which is a sound based and boosted by technician its like 107 whatchu think

[dim timber]

i don't understand the purpose of lagging tail
you use the entire item slot solely to ensure a slow uturn?

[topaz mango]

Ive thought about changing it but safely getting something into battle is sweet its hard to go without it lol

[dim timber]

you could just do min speed negative nature

[topaz mango]

Garg with salt cure toxic with clodsire its a huge help tbh

I was trying to do a sand team cause of garg with rock and clod with rock tera didnt work out well https://pokepast.es/6ed814e49a3ecac3 whatchu think

https://pokepast.es/f8fcf93c21be42f0 Just made this because of toxtricity Snarl seems pretty fire on it idk though boomburst is a fantastic move

[urban arch]

https://pokepast.es/85818f226061f47a
https://pastebin.com/BmthMbXR

the thought process was get zone in on stuff (corv) and click

and clean with kilo

but i probably should restructure the defensive core and fit a meow or smth

[slim monolith]

pokepaste is up again btw

wasnt announced fsr but it is

[urban arch]

@dusk pasture

[timid meadow]

we have a reached a point in the meta where level 98 corv is viable

[echo lodge]

Viable but extremely recommended against

You shouldn't be going out of your way to increase the likelihood of losing rolls

[urban arch]

lv 99 corv is all over the place on ladder

[valid vapor]

lv 97 corv when

[timid meadow]

if you lose the speed tie oh well

not the end of the world

espeically since the team has some other stop gaps in clod and scream tail that can limit their momentum

[topaz mango]

any help with this and the team above?

https://pokepast.es/9ff34c3e25aebe60 Pokebilities Snarl Technician + Punk Rock what yall think

[harsh lantern]

https://pokepast.es/b4c543ec5ca0fd14 cross evolution cetoddle breloom is kinda heat

[dim timber]

same criticism as before. lagging tail does nothing, and like you said yourself, boomburst is literally stronger than snarl
also i don't see the purpose of scarf dragapult when it's already basically the band set. extra speed can let you outspeed drednaw in rain but it won't be OHKOing it regardless

[topaz mango]

you right thank you teams a scrap

https://pokepast.es/329fa702c7bcf2f2 aaa

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz mango]

Sorry for incomplete only 1 member left

[timid meadow]

Holy copies

[topaz mango]

lol lots of em

[timid meadow]

As a general thing; base weathers like drought and drizzle aren't the best just cause of how it can get override by desolate land and primordial sea

which are both pretty common rn

[topaz mango]

Primordial sea would be the issue your right Id need some counter but you are right a team could use both

[timid meadow]

I think changing Ceruledge to Desolate Land and Iron Moth to Hadron Engine (with either specs or life orb) would be the option with those two.

[topaz mango]

https://pokepast.es/d06e09f028985b3c wb this team

I was just tryna use sum different

this is my main team

Meowscarada swords of ruin cause dd ban

[timid meadow]

I like that team, would probably replace sub on garg with rocks cause otherwise there are no entry hazards

[topaz mango]

Garg is usually body press curse but i like heavy slam rocks

Florges

is a giant issue for the team

[timid meadow]

you could replace the Zoroak-H with Gengar

[topaz mango]

Ive done it many times

[timid meadow]

not really helping?

[topaz mango]

https://pokepast.es/2c9c0ecca03cafe6

i mean

your right

whatchu think of the set

I barely use it

if i do that then i could do protect rocks

subs protect is pretty good though

[timid meadow]

I like protect rocks cause it ensures garg gets lefties recovery which could be crucial and also stacks sandstorm damage on them

[topaz mango]

yea u right

Im tryna use other teams any advice or things to look at for team building?

[timid meadow]

In general it's always good to look at the Viability Rankings or what stuff other people are using

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/almost-any-ability.3710568/page-26#post-9576420 <- There's been a lot of teams passed around here lately that can serve as good inspiration

[topaz mango]

thank u man

[timid meadow]

yeah no problem!

[supple musk]

https://pokepast.es/1b7fa459bfc73999

Pokebilities balance. Corv+Clod defensive core is always helpful, especially with specialized EVs to guaranteed survive itemless Acrobatics after Rocks from max attack Adamant Hawlucha. Any suggestions for changes are welcome, of course

[supple musk]

A few points of criticisms of I may

Lagging Tail on Corv is just a waste of an item slot. If you want to do something to lower your speed in order to do things like slow U-Turn on base 60s, it's always a better option to lower your speed IV or go with a Relaxed/Sassy nature.

Snarl can be cool at times for Bronzong, but many of the major pokemon it'd smack on the switch last gen like Reuniclus and Alolawak are gone this generation, really removing the need for Snarl.

Why run Sassy on Garganacl? I guess if you are thinking of a situation where you speed tie a Toxapex and you both switch out, letting you get the slower switch, but even then, being able to outspeed Pex and the base 30s like Amoongus and the Slowtwins is such a huge deal. You're Garg is also pretty incapable of pressuring anything with Cloak unless it's something that has terrible defense and a 4x weakness. You don't Curse Earthquake or Iron Defense Body Press to pressure them, you just Sub and then stall turns, which just won't work the majority of the time, especially with Infiltrator on Dragapult.

When you already have Corv, why is your Clod physically invested? If you want a mixed wall, Garg is your clear best choice. With Clod, there are some specific EV spreads for physical defense that allow you to take certain hits and are viable, but no SpDef investment or Careful nature only really works on gimmick sets with Counter. Plus, why do you have no Rocks, but you do have Spikes? I guess Boots is an argument because most flying types will carry Boots anyway, but even then, there are threats like Ceruledge and Iron Moth who'd much rather take the one Spike than Rocks on their sets without Boots.

It's probably just better to run priority on comparison to Scarf Pult. Physical sets much prefer the power of Band or hazard immunity+moveset flexibility from Boots, even if it is a major power sacrifice. There's just too few situations where Pult outspeeds anything except other Scarfers that it wouldn't outspeed naturally.

Lastly, was there any particular reason you have Scarf on both your physical attackers? I'd definitely keep it on Valiant, but Pult definitely doesn't need it as expressed in the last paragraph. If you're running double choice, it's better for one of the choice items to at least boost your attacking prowess in some way because when you're locked into a move without a power boost, it's significantly easier to play around compared to when you're locked into a move with a 50% power boost

[dim timber]

The sub stall garg set works decently often for the surprise factor; i saw them win a tour with it lol.

[topaz mango]

my man

[topaz mango]

Im very iffy on the lagging tail I mean though its there for 2 reasons Garganacl and getting mons in safely nobody can predict perfect and it sucks to lose a game if I could of just had a lagging tail but Toxtricity was an idea tbh boomburst is just better and itd be hard to run boomburst and snarl at the same time scarf dragapult is fun LOL honest mistake for 2 scarfs banded dragapult prolly to make the best use out of both the mons but in my opinion though the team shouldnt be used LOL better out tbh toxtricity does not work in this tier could work maybe a specs or scarf thing but I need something better in my opinion

[young igloo]

https://pokepast.es/9d46817f0c0a2d40

@sacred oriole @echo lodge

Already asked in the OM discord, but if you guys could help with this team that would be great

Im quite happy with it, but i think there is still some improvment to be had

Like Garchomps EVs and Moves

[timid meadow]

Garchomp could opt for a more bulky spread, preferably in SpD

cause otherwise something like scarf sandy shocks could be a lil scary

[high trellis]

https://pokepast.es/7d3f9db264248ebb im having fun! (Aaa)

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[timid meadow]

thanks chatot

[high trellis]

Im thinking between either hadron engine or desoland future volc

And maybs trying primsea gren of toedscruel as an alternative lead

[surreal portal]

zoro needs to be hasty or naive + have 4 atk, otherwise sudo is a struggle and should ideally be changed as either of the 2 common spinners just denies you hazards completely (quaquaval / treads)

[young igloo]

Yea, im really bad at spreads

What would your reccomend

[timid meadow]

honestly max spdef hp is good enough, good bulk to live most things and with webs speed on chomp really doesn't matter, and it also has a high attack even without any investment

[young igloo]

Mhm

Maybe a bit of speed

since i find it quite slow if i try and go sweeper mode

tbh i think chomp is kinda odd here

i do love the ejct button

And it does good work

So idk

[timid meadow]

if ur going a bit of speed I'd reccomend getting to 248 (or 32 investment)

outspeed non boots cinderace and roaring moon with webs

[young igloo]

Oh, thats nice

Lemme see

And then 252 SPD the rest into Hp

[timid meadow]

yes

I actually like eject button with regen that seems pretty underutilized

and with a ho it's good for keeping up momentum

[young igloo]

Garchomp @ Eject Button
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 224 HP / 252 SpD / 32 Spe
Careful Nature

• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock
• Dragon Tail
• Swords Dance

[young igloo]

Acctually my own idea, so thank you 🙂

[young igloo]

Should i edit the moves on it?

[timid meadow]

yeah thats real nice

[young igloo]

I dont know if i love them

[timid meadow]

I think the moves are mostly fine, rocks is the only one I'd feel potentially iffy about but it's not like there's that much better alternatives and it fits with the hazard stacking the team is trying to go for

[young igloo]

https://pokepast.es/7e87b8b3db1f65f5

Okay, anything else?

[timid meadow]

Looks pretty good to me, I’d just be potentially weary about boots chien Pao but that can be played around with slither wing

[high trellis]

What lead do you recommend

[surreal portal]

ultimately i don't think going for double hazards + taunt is worth it since the options are so restricted and none can beat ting-lu if prank

[high trellis]

I def wont compromise a way to stop hazards from being on my field

So what mon do you recommend me to lead with

[surreal portal]

i mean if hazards going up on your side is an impossibility then your only solution is a spinner because prank ting-lu just exists

[high trellis]

So toedscruel then

[surreal portal]

likely meaning spikes toedscruel yeah

[high trellis]

Toedscruel @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Spikes
• Taunt
• Rapid Spin
• Leaf Storm

[high trellis]

Ive been doing ok with ppl not leading their spinner and then sacking hizo

Bc if they knock it, i get to bring my the best mon in the team

[normal marlin]

What are the garchomps speed EVs for exactly?

[timid meadow]

this

[normal marlin]

Ah ok

I’m yoinking that set for myself

[high trellis]

https://pokepast.es/f6a9efe144812518 posting again bc now i unironically need help on the fast jiggs mu

[sacred oriole]

predict well with moth and hope it's choiced idk

[high trellis]

I cant

I mean max speed timid

I wish future donphan learnt sd

[sacred oriole]

that's why you hope they're choiced

and you switched into boomburst

Cinderace and Talonflame are your faster Fairy resists

[high trellis]

Where could i fit them

I do like ace but having yet another rock weak mon that hates wbb corb is too redundant

Talonflame simply lacks the power needed to replace megamence

I thought maybe i could use the ghost mon that bothers chansey might be it but i realized its either ghold (banned) or celuledge (redundant+ loses to spinners+ cant really help vs chansey bc when are they gonna switch in)

I wish triage bitter blade worked so that at least i get to choose which spinner to beat

[timid meadow]

ceru would be so fun if it worked with triafe

alas

[vast apex]

https://tenor.com/view/future-ram-ranch-gif-18120355

society if triage worked with bitter blade

[frank jewel]

This is for Gen 9 ZU. I'm struggling to win with this team, especially against Vigoroth, and I might need some better team synergy. Please help with this team.

Luxray (F) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wild Charge
• Volt Switch
• Facade
• Crunch

Toedscool @ Eviolite
Ability: Mycelium Might
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 36 HP / 156 Def / 36 SpA / 36 SpD / 196 Spe
Timid Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Knock Off
• Earth Power
• Spore

Pikachu (F) @ Light Ball
Ability: Lightning Rod
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Volt Tackle
• Iron Tail
• Fake Out
• Volt Switch

Dewott (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Torrent
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Air Slash
• Ice Beam
• Hydro Pump
• Aqua Jet

Flareon (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Guts
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Facade
• Double-Edge
• Quick Attack

Gumshoos (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Strong Jaw
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fire Fang
• Earthquake
• Crunch
• Ice Fang

The Swords Dance Dewott was a mistake that I forgot to fix, sorry.

Actually, you know what, I'm replacing Swords Dance with Aqua Jet, hold on.

There we go.

[urban arch]

use pokepaste

[frank jewel]

How do you do it from Showdown again?

Oh wait, nevermind.

https://pokepast.es/78b638ece19fab2d

[slim monolith]

@near cairn

[near cairn]

don't use LC spread for LC mons in ZU. These spreads are made for level 5 mon and don't work for level 100

toed should be 252 HP 252 Def Bold/Impish

your team is too slow and most mon overlap

luxray, flareon, and gumshoos all fit in the slow normal breaker

which means your team lacks a ton of speed

having no hazard is also quite problematic in the tier

overall your team is just too much on the "slow hard hitting" part

and nothing can take hits nor revenge kill

you can tag me again if you need help

but i can't do much rn

[frank jewel]

Thank you so much for your advice! I’m kind of curious what would be a good hazard Pokemon for the team, since I wasn’t really satisfied with Pincurchin (and he’s slow, too). I’ve heard of people using Delibird; is Delibird good, or are there better hazard-setters out there?

Also, do you recommend replacing both Luxray and Flareon with faster Pokémon and keeping Gumshoos? If so, what are some good speedy attackers in the tier that would fit well for the team?

[near cairn]

pincurchin only works when used in fatter teams

delibird is better for setup ho, which isn't quite like your team either

glalie, sudowood, and toedscool are good spikers for bulky offensive teams like yours

i think it'd be better to keep Luxray over the other two normal breakers, but both of them work well too

they are just less consistent than lux in my experience

also for hazard, i mainly meant sr

your pokemon overlap too much in their roles

[frank jewel]

Interesting, so I should keep Luxray and get rid of the other two. I can try to find a good Stealth Rock user and replace Flareon with that. For replacing Gumshoos, what do you recommend?

[near cairn]

well i think there could be more to remove than that

i think the team is too slow rn

and you should consider replacing pikachu and dewott as well

the best way to deal with vigoroth is to have at least one strong special attacker

and a tera ghost user that can stall it in case it is mono normal attacker

ngl vigoroth is on radar to get removed from sv zu, because the counterplay to it is very iffy

[frank jewel]

Makes sense because I can only find one Pokémon that outspeeds it.

So in a nutshell…

Keep: Luxray, Toedscool (but change the set)
Remove: Gumshoos, Flareon, Dewott, Pikachu
Add: SR User, Tera Ghost User, one strong Special Attacker, faster attacker?

[near cairn]

well kind of

the roles can overlap

do not hesitate to tag me again with your new draft

[frank jewel]

https://pokepast.es/382737b192ee4024

I tried this team out, and I'm actually winning this time, even exceeding the 1100 mark at times. I feel like it's not a perfect team, though. More specifically, Gastly seems a bit frail, Grass types like Leafeon and Tropius do well against the team, and Sandygast, while good, is Taunt bait.

[quick gorge]

https://pokepast.es/f49dc8c4b490987b @sacred oriole

[sacred oriole]

Why SpD Corv

I feel like it matches up better into our physical guys

Garchomp should be regen right? Rough skin is a typo?

[quick gorge]

wait yea

[sacred oriole]

I would make Garchomp SpD, and think about SD over Rocks

I don’t love your Ghost counterplay, as nothing really likes tanking shadow ball except Gambit, which is one focus blast away from disaster

[quick gorge]

that's why im on vessel corv

is there anything else I could slot in

[sacred oriole]

I would rather see like Bulletproof on Scream Tail

But then I guess hex is still a bit troubling, hm

[quick gorge]

scream tail is more filler than anything

im perfectly ok with dropping it

is horo an option

[sacred oriole]

If you want to shift the team a little more offensive sure

[quick gorge]

maybe

any other ideas

[sacred oriole]

If you want to keep a similar-ish role

Something like Clod tanks the Ghosts pretty well

Especially if you go purifying salt for the full troll

[quick gorge]

that sounds funny

[sacred oriole]

I would really also like to see Lefotvers on gambit and Defog on Corv, but if you want to stick to no removal sure

[quick gorge]

yea that's what ive been noticing

i don't want to run a concept that's suboptimal just for the sake of it

[sacred oriole]

You can kind of get away with it right now cause of wish passing

[quick gorge]

so I might as well

[sacred oriole]

But if we replace scream tail, no recovery at all on Kingambit is though

[quick gorge]

true

the general structure is fine at least right

outside of the ghost weakness

[sacred oriole]

I would say so

I get a little nervous at the lack of speed control, but talonflame + Kingambit isn’t nothing

[quick gorge]

is talon not speed control

[sacred oriole]

It’s the lower end of speed control

Miss out on opposing scarfers + chien Pao

[quick gorge]

ah true

speaking of pao tho

how do I handle it here

[sacred oriole]

If you’re making Corv intimidate, that’s fine

Slither Wing, just bluff that you have First Impression

[timid meadow]

the team is well equipped with corv if intim and scream tail

unless the set has been changed since the paste

[rain cloak]

https://pokepast.es/d7a4445c65b1bb4b

I neglected to see who I was supposed to ping for this

It's Nat Dex BH btw

[sacred oriole]

Try NatDex Other Tiers

Er, it’s called NatDex non-OU

[rain cloak]

Ok

I didn't know if I should put it here or Nat Dex

[sterile carbon]

https://pokepast.es/8e487571f7bab69d STABmons team I'm actually quite proud of

[umbral lava]

New STABmons RMT @tawdry geode, @broken kestrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dull blade]

U should probably just run gigaton hammer on kingambit

[dusk pasture]

circle throw scarf valiant seems odd 🤔

[sterile carbon]

That was just some tomfoolery I put in for predicting switches (it never fucking works lol)

[vast apex]

is defog on rotom necessary given you have mortal spin and rapid spin on the team? it feels fairly excessive, and you can either replace defog or mortal spin. though I'd probably just replace defog since rotom has so many good utility moves like wisp. I'd also listen to advt here and run gigaton hammer. you can swap the tera types out for a defensive one like flying/bug as well for great tusks since +2 gigaton OHKOs a lot of times anyways. also I'd go knock > ceaseless edge on kingambit. the power difference is massive for a wallbreaker. 252 def is interesting.. I think you can just put 252 HP here though since it helps kingambit become quite bulky on the special end as well. I'd maybe go scald > steam eruption on pex since you're going to be doing negligible regardless and you'd rather the consistency (never misses) and pp of scald. I feel like if you're trying to punish a switch-out, I'd just put on trick instead of circle throw. it seems incredibly situational and pex is likely going to your opponent's first switch-in anyways, so it'll recover the HP anyways with regenerator. at that point you're locked into circle throw on scarf valiant, which puts you in a very vulnerable position. maybe it works if you have full hazards up? but you don't have rocks or any decent way to prevent removal, so no point in having it over trick imo. collision course on tusk works, but I prefer thunderous kick or triple arrows ngl

[tawdry geode]

Kingambit @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Gigaton Hammer
• Knock Off
• Sucker Punch
• Swords Dance

i would recommend this set for kingambit

double ceaseless edge is unnecessary and knock off is invaluable

on toxapex be sure to run relaxed nature and 0 speed ivs because every other toxapex youre going to face will be doing the same and it’s best to get the slow pivot sometimes

id just drop steam eruption/scald on pex for haze honestly haze is pretty amazing

and thunderous kick/triple arrows is 100% better than collision course, but otherwise the other notes people gave is good

[fresh marten]

level 99

[paper moat]

https://pokepast.es/4bc12393f73f1e49 hlelo

also i might try prankster garde since i remembered it has teleport

[sacred oriole]

Choice scarf Lucario is a little weird for screens Ho

And Gengar + Zoroark is basically running the same mon twice, I’m not sure I love that

I might make one of them Moth or Volc

[surreal portal]

what is "fast" corv for

[dusk pasture]

chien pao is an odd pick for a dazzling mon

[near cairn]

gastly should always be timid, this team has a lot of problems with dealing with grass- and fire-types, try to have some more type diversity

two ghost, two electrics, two grounds

[sacred oriole]

Chien Pao is fine imo, you’re mostly running dazzling for hatt at this point

[dusk pasture]

doesn't actually beat hatterene

[sacred oriole]

Huh

[near cairn]

sneasel, gastly, and dedenne are quite frail, and you cannot bring them easily on the field

[dusk pasture]

at least reliably

[paper moat]

it depends really

also i am running scarf luc because i dont like its speed...

[paper moat]

outspeeding other prankster corv and stuff

[sacred oriole]

I mean sure, but it gets agility

[paper moat]

wait it does

huh.

[sacred oriole]

And then isn’t locked into a move that either has poor coverage or an immunity

[paper moat]

it cant live that much stuff tho but ill try it

[sacred oriole]

Behind screens it can take several things

[paper moat]

technically i can go no speed investment now...

[dusk pasture]

252 Atk Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Hatterene: 138-163 (43.3 - 51.2%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO

quite crazy

[paper moat]

add rocks

i totally have rocks

[sacred oriole]

So you win if they go for Draining Kiss

[paper moat]

anyway most hatterene will try their luck by cming first than dkiss

[dusk pasture]

i'd just like

not run dazzling chien pao

[paper moat]

id lose to hatterene then

[sacred oriole]

This team is dead into Hatt though

You do need something

[dusk pasture]

you could run other dazzling mons

or just one more resist + gengar and you're probably fine

[timid meadow]

Dazzling Roaring Moon is better for hatterene

[sacred oriole]

What if they have

Uh

Yeah that works

[paper moat]

maybe i should just run SoR chien and moth or dazzling moon

over gengar?

[sacred oriole]

Moth really doesn’t beat hatt either

[paper moat]

well now the team loses to clicker scream tail

[sacred oriole]

Corv gets screens up then you pressure the hell out of it

[paper moat]

i think ill just take moon

what does dazzling moon even use

ddance / crunch / eq / iron ?

lefties or lo

[timid meadow]

Roaring Moon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Dazzling
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• U-turn
• Dragon Claw
• Crunch
• Iron Head

This is what I haddd

[paper moat]

oh

[timid meadow]

But given the HO

[paper moat]

claw is only really hitting chomp

[timid meadow]

DD also works

[sacred oriole]

I would do dragon dance here yeah

[timid meadow]

Yeah EQ > Claw

[paper moat]

on another note tranq can i have omm in my name too

[timid meadow]

Can’t you just

Add it

[paper moat]

oh idk i thought i had to request it or smth

[timid meadow]

Ah yeah the sample dazzling set was scarf dragon claw cause this was still during

Dnite

Fun

[paper moat]

i highly doubt i should run 252atk/252spa/4+spe but i think its funny

ill test it soon

[timid meadow]

For lucario?

I mean

[paper moat]

yee

[sacred oriole]

You can do whatever you want in your user name

I could put (Top OU player)

[paper moat]

:0 (i highly doubt anyone even plays omms here anyway)

[timid meadow]

You’re missing out on some key thresholds (mainly no investment Garchomp and Roaring Moon) but you also have screens.

[sacred oriole]

You’d be surprised

[timid meadow]

So I think it can be tried but just be cautious with it

[paper moat]

yee im testing it

[timid meadow]

If/when an OMM gets OMOTM I’d expect a lot more asking

[paper moat]

id be interested in some newcomer's staaab teams...

[urban arch]

i remember there was a lot of asking when pokeaaa was omotom

[timid meadow]

Good tier

[urban arch]

https://pokepast.es/ba3a5854927b8aed

[paper moat]

why is clodsire 3 moves

[timid meadow]

It’s 4 moves?

[urban arch]

it was

i changed the paste

[timid meadow]

I’d make clodsire spikes double sr is weird

[urban arch]

i'm' blind™

anything else

@sacred oriole

[sacred oriole]

gm

Oh geeze

[sacred oriole]

@echo lodge @late laurel someone built an SV AAA team with Blissey please advise

[timid meadow]

Damn you really are not a fan of blissey

[urban arch]

i'm just trying to build stall

[sacred oriole]

Give it back teleport 😭
Real answer I’ve never built good AAA stall, so I’m calling in the expert (and Alex just so I can ping them)

[late laurel]

i like stall

[urban arch]

lmao i choked my first game

[late laurel]

what does wandering spirit do here

[urban arch]

allow me to double

(i don't know)

i think it's to annoy regen moon

[timid meadow]

I feel like the team needs more PP pressure of some kind vs opposing Corv.

[late laurel]

just going to point out the glaring things first but

i think you would want a spinner

and a ghost-type that's anti-rapid spin

[urban arch]

some form of ice table?

[timid meadow]

Brambleghast or whatever it’s called

[late laurel]

you could consider bramble

yeah

[timid meadow]

Also is a solid anti physical attacking option with strength sap

[late laurel]

i would also run something else (possibly baneful bunker) over tspikes on toxapex

[urban arch]

why?

[late laurel]

tspikes in general doesn't get a lot of mileage given how common iron moth is

[urban arch]

ok

[late laurel]

among other things such as pex, clod, magic guard

[dusk pasture]

small note

if you're running that clod

you need some physdef

to tank zoro-h body slame

[timid meadow]

Man I forgot zoro-h runs that sometimes

But yeah

[late laurel]

i dont think i would run pex-clod together honestly

if ghosts are a concern something bulletproof would be better

[urban arch]

how much

24?

[dusk pasture]

i generally don't like running bulletproof

as a ghost check

[late laurel]

i feel like MG stuff is a concern in general

luc/zoro

team is very passive and relies on toxic/hazards to do damage

[urban arch]

force progress with blissey

[late laurel]

MG luc tends to also run cc

[urban arch]

or maybe another mger

[dusk pasture]

zoro-h is an issue, but if you're running psalt you can beat it and outlast it

lucario is uh

lucario

[timid meadow]

Yeah non haze pex is vs lucario

Worrying matchup there

[dusk pasture]

if you wanna cope you could run chilling water pex and pray they're not nasty plot

[urban arch]

why wouldn't they be

[late laurel]

something like talonflame could also be rough

[dusk pasture]

because it has to choose between eq and nasty plot

[timid meadow]

They’re running coverage like Stone Edge or EQ

[urban arch]

is stall unviable

[late laurel]

it's

viable but has its issues

[timid meadow]

It’s not the best rn

[late laurel]

you prob also wanna change one of the SR to spikes

[timid meadow]

And can’t really cover everything which makes it hard

[urban arch]

i did yea

i just forgot

so is stall fishy

[late laurel]

i played a stall team and it's very difficult against stuff that like

doesnt give you the time to set up your hazards and status

[urban arch]

isn't that all stall teams in every tier

[late laurel]

idk i'm probably not helping

[urban arch]

no you are

[dusk pasture]

i ran a fat team with zoro-h

ultra reliant on rmoon as a special wall

[urban arch]

i was aiming for fat

[late laurel]

5 fat + one offensive thing is also kinda good

[urban arch]

like semistall

[dusk pasture]

you can probably gear it towards stall if you replace zoro-h

[urban arch]

this yea

then i went full copium mode and tried checking everything

[dusk pasture]

it also had.... grassy surge tinkaton

so desperate times

[urban arch]

the what

what does that do

[dusk pasture]

utility moves (knock, sr, twave)

[urban arch]

what

[dusk pasture]

also i wanted one more out against gardevoir

[urban arch]

no i meant

[dusk pasture]

(it's not)

[urban arch]

what does the gsurge do

[dusk pasture]

i don't have regen

i didn't need any immunity

so i was like lol free extra recovery

extra note, this team also seems sus against adapt gambit

unless i'm missing something

[urban arch]

yea

[late laurel]

i'd recommend just fluffy bird

tbh

[dusk pasture]

fluffy can work yeah

[urban arch]

or just troll it with disable scream tail (

[dusk pasture]

btw why disable

[urban arch]

heehee

i don't know

to not do 20 with dgleam

what should the +1 offensive mon be

[timid meadow]

Pursuit Weavile

(I wish..)

[urban arch]

mglo volc

dland volc

[urban arch]

https://pokepast.es/cee105dbcc683a49

@timid meadow

@dusk pasture

[acoustic cradle]

holy shit its the table

[timid meadow]

w/ no rocker now clod should be sr

[urban arch]

i have

5 second memory mb

[paper moat]

real...

also since you are running fluffy maybe a wbb but chomp should handle that

[dusk pasture]

run surf on pex or power gem on chomp for the birb

or both

table seems odd

[urban arch]

did you say

power gem on chomp

oh wait

i misread alex's comment

table is meant to be brambleghast

[urban arch]

@dusk pasture sorry for the many pings https://pokepast.es/b58e99e916fe4da1

volcarona over moth because it cleans better (i think)

now i struggle with hydreigon uhh

[paper moat]

i dont think you lose that quickly to anything rn

[urban arch]

specs hydreigon literally 2hkoes everything

i think i should fit a garg in here somehow

[dusk pasture]

volc is eh

[urban arch]

it checks luc!

[dusk pasture]

could replace it for florges for hydreigon

unaware or vessel

i guess

[urban arch]

true

mb wishtect cm?

[dusk pasture]

works

[urban arch]

what does vessel help it with

[dusk pasture]

not dying™️

[urban arch]

where is the luc copium

[dusk pasture]

your copium is you live one hit and can maybe kill it idk

[timid meadow]

ban luke

it's just iron valiant in disguise

[urban arch]

🎣

should corv have u turn

wait

i can just outspeed it with chomp

then outplay

what set do i use on chomp

Garchomp @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 196 SpD / 60 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Dragon Tail
• Power Gem
• Fire Blast

-spa makes me cry

[dusk pasture]

what's the speed for?

[urban arch]

+spa luc

[dusk pasture]

most run spe nature anyway don't they?

[timid meadow]

most run + speed ye

[urban arch]

huh

can you do 307 chomp then

[dusk pasture]

sounds like quite the bit of bulk to sacrifice

[urban arch]

0 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 191-226 (45.4 - 53.8%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

[valid vapor]

power gem

[urban arch]

hits talon

[timid meadow]

Also hits kilowattel

[sacred oriole]

Kilo is hit way harder by Edge, power Gem is the specifically for bulk up / wisp Talonflame

[frank jewel]

I’ll try at least replacing Gastly with someone that can counter Scovillain, thank you so much!

[near cairn]

there isn't much good counters to scovillain, your best bet is a dragon (zwei and sliggoo) or a defensive fire type (neither flareon nor fletchinder fits well there), generally spd pokemon like oranguru and swalot can handle it fine with investment but they aren't my favorite pokemon to use

there is also oinkologne, but i rank that mon even lower

[frank jewel]

Is Swalot also a good counter to Leafeon and Tropius?

[near cairn]

swalot struggles to handle both scov and leafeon because of needing both def and spd invest

but yeah it does well versus both

liquid ooze is particularly useful at neutering leech seed shenanigans from tropius

and ssap from jumpluff

[frank jewel]

So Gastly should be replaced with someone like Swalot?

Because Gastly is really frail.

[near cairn]

well id advice you to try to toying a bit with some teamslots

and see what works well

replacing gastly is valid though

i just think your team would benefit from more diverse type synergy

[frank jewel]

I’ll start with replacing Gastly with Swalot and see how it goes. I really like Luxray and Dedenne and the two Ground types have different roles (Stealth Rock setter and Rapid Spin user), so I don’t know what else to give up.

[near cairn]

dunsparce could work instead of sandygast

with tera ghost

but just play some games on ladder/room tours and see what works

the metagame is very recent and there is room for a lot of development, so just explore what you think may be good

[frank jewel]

Okay, I’ll do my best. Thank you so much!

[near cairn]

np!

[void flame]

https://pokepast.es/ef4f3dd1e10678b9 cross evolution team I think is bulky offense

Uh idk who rates cross evo teams

[sacred oriole]

@flint plover do you rate cross evo?

[flint plover]

I do not, sorry

[void flame]

Thanks for checking

[sacred oriole]

@tawdry geode cross evo rate?

[valid vapor]

Impossible

Woops ping

[void flame]

I’ve checked but what seems to be the only other person to ask for a cross evo rate didnt get their team rated

The rater for the OM will remain anonymous forever

[bitter echo]

https://pokepast.es/b9f40ecf707aef1f how do I improve this nfe team

[umbral lava]

New NFE RMT @autumn ivy. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[paper moat]

@timid meadow https://pokepast.es/7ab28ba1d7edd60b :)

oh mb i didnt make arcan pyro ball

[autumn ivy]

id suggest making naclstack physdef and either changing crocalor to mareanie or tink to dunsparce to better handle frogadier

[bitter echo]

That’s all?

[autumn ivy]

yeah unless you're having trouble with something in particular

[bitter echo]

What moves should I run on mareanie

[autumn ivy]

surf toxic haze recover

[bitter echo]

And what about nature and ev spread

[autumn ivy]

EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD
Bold Nature

enough to dodge a 2hko from band floragato

[bitter echo]

For naclstack I swap the def and spdef evs right

[autumn ivy]

you should be able to keep it in check between regen scouting & tink threatening twave but you could also go sludge bomb over scald if it becomes a bigger problem

yeah just go max def impish

[urban arch]

https://pokepast.es/6598d83a860457f4

i tried to build stab balance with 10 games of ho experience

weird how there's only offensive samples

[urban arch]

@broken kestrel @tawdry geode

[paper moat]

is kris even a stab person

just gonna assume yes

ill try to start ig ( i have a limited knowledge of stab but good knowledge of STAAAB)

[supple musk]

Kris does a ton. It's them and Ivy that I see on every forum for every om

[paper moat]

i would personally have gren use ceaseless here and give weavile a free spot

probably shard

garg is missing 8 evs

[urban arch]

ceaseless over what

i'm not sure if gren can fit it

and what about the team's coherency in general

as well as any specific threats

[paper moat]

knock

[paper moat]

idk i only think abt the moves in stab not the threats...

stab ladder is so dead that idk whats a threat

[urban arch]

yea ladder is dead

[timid meadow]

I believe is allowed to mega for some reason

First thing to note

I think also having arcanine morning sun > wild charge and potentially shore up on tusk over one of its cc/hr is also something I’d change for longevity

[paper moat]

nope it cant

also longevity isnt needed on this team

its ho

[timid meadow]

It’d still be nice I think though especially for opposing priority spam

[paper moat]

well ig so

ill take shore up on tusk

i feel arca needs wc for venu corv

[timid meadow]

@slim monolith there’s a SnM if you want to add more input

[paper moat]

oh right clas can help me rate too

[timid meadow]

That’s fair, the team can otherwise maybe have issues breaking it

[paper moat]

hmm idk no one knows whats meta in snm rn...

[slim monolith]

i dont know snm at all

[paper moat]

LMAO

[paper moat]

i was right...

[timid meadow]

The tier doesn’t really have that much unique bans to it yet that it should

Something like boomburst being freed is crazy

I think since it’s HO you can add something like webs on say slither wing or Lokix > Chien Pao

[paper moat]

webs is cringe smh

what does kix even do

[timid meadow]

Webs and ceaseless edge

[paper moat]

chien has good type basically built in adapt and good speed

• dumb stabs

well, kowtow isnt dumb

[timid meadow]

Ultimately your choice with chien, just a preference thing for offensive teams in SnM since webs are so easily available

That team could probably do fine in OMM since the other builds aren’t always the best

[autumn ivy]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/om-mashup-megathread.3711916/#post-9422888
i don't see it in the restricted list

[paper moat]

bruh

they dont unrestrict it in the tour codes...

[surreal portal]

i think the main thing here is that you don't really have a toxic improof, as you don't want etern to be taking unnecessary damage

relying solely on gambit to KO ting is risky when ting has more HP and also innately hurts to switch in on due to nuzzle/cedge

and idk what fiery wrath m2 hits

the easiest option for toxic seems to be dropping blissey for some prankster like corv, as currently groudon goes pretty hard and setup stuff immune to toxic has pretty good odds of winning by itself

even if it makes improofing easier i'd recommend something else over wrath - imp is free to sap ting-lu on the switch and heal back any damage you dealt to it (it does max 27% so even with min attack ting-lu it's going back to full)

and there are no relevant psychics worth using dark coverage for

with fiery an issue i'm seeing is that, if you don't get the gambit off, you just lose on the spot

[acoustic cradle]

https://pokepast.es/f4db487f6ae39c90 godly gift

[umbral lava]

New GG RMT @sacred oriole, @vast apex, @broken kestrel, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[acoustic cradle]

tried bulding around bonnet

[vast apex]

your team lacks a good way to break toxapex/hatterene. I think you can replace tinkaton with something else here. I’d maybe slot in scream tail since it also takes advantage of sun and can pair pretty well with brute bonnet

it also gives you a fairy type for your team

[acoustic cradle]

oh did not think of that

[acoustic cradle]

im assuming play rough/zhb/fire punch/trick?

err

psyfangs not zhb

[vast apex]

yeah that’s good

bulk up also works too

[acoustic cradle]

https://pokepast.es/f417cacfa94a883f bonnet is a shocks now idbp garg or just multiple physdef mons are annoying af to play against

does scarf tails still fit here?

[void flame]

I am once again asking about about a cross evolution rate (https://pokepast.es/ef4f3dd1e10678b9)

[vast apex]

I think go bulk up here. scarf doesn’t fit otherwise

[urban arch]

@dusk pasture https://pokepast.es/8218dcc126e2615c

my daily aaa hot garbage

oops i forgot evs for quaq

i was calcing what the 124 should go into for ages

[dusk pasture]

question

what is your cope

[urban arch]

no clue tbh

uhh

wbb corv and scarf moth

[dusk pasture]

if you don't wanna restructure you could potentially run power gem on chomp to help

[urban arch]

i considered that but bb 2hkoes

wait does it not?

[dusk pasture]

well it's a cope

[urban arch]

rip sd

[dusk pasture]

i'd also run u-turn on quav personally

if it's intim it's not doing too much offensively

hadron moth is kinda eh

desoland might be more helpful given specs greninja go brr

unless you wanna rely on offensive pressure™️

[urban arch]

can't i put spdef on quaq

and go 0spe

[dusk pasture]

maybe?

[urban arch]

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Quaquaval: 145-171 (38.7 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[dusk pasture]

what's the speed for anyway

[dusk pasture]

primsea where

[urban arch]

forgot

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Quaquaval in Heavy Rain: 148-175 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

erm

[dusk pasture]

i mean maybe?

desoland moth just is a real thing

[urban arch]

yes but why give up on extra power for coverage moves

https://pokepast.es/52a3128ea0f63a4d

can i win before chomp gets overwhelmed simulator

[paper moat]

i mean if you dont want chomp to get overloaded use regenvest

wheres the focus miss on hizo

[urban arch]

does it need it

[paper moat]

roaring moon

[urban arch]

shit

[paper moat]

did you forget

[urban arch]

aaa bad tier

[paper moat]

[urban arch]

(karpesan bad builder)

[dusk pasture]

well

focus blast is more needed for garganacl

im fairly sure bslam also 2HKOs rmoon

[paper moat]

assuming moon stays in...?

and doesnt crunch

[dusk pasture]

that's also assuming rmoon is fast

bslam reliably hitting moon is also nice

[surreal portal]

seems better, improofing m2 is a struggle bc focus blast but otherwise looks fine

only concern is no knock on m2 so it can't really solo ting easily

[timid meadow]

4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Zoroark-Hisui Body Slam vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Roaring Moon: 208-246 (50.2 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So yes

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Zoroark-Hisui Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Garganacl in Sand: 221-263 (54.7 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

These calcs are crazy the more I look at em 💀

The best Ghost type check really be your own Zoroark

[high trellis]

id run either uturn or acid spray over eball

you only really want it for salt rock guy, who are usually sand stream when they switch into you

and you arent really breaking that with eball

uturn is uturn, and acid spray is a decent hedge when youre sure your switchin isnt a steel

[high trellis]

drop uturn on your hee zo

youll eat a billion chip from pivoting

[urban arch]

ty

[pearl cedar]

https://pokepast.es/85da9d61017fca2d
New to AAA, trying to build around a Weavile suicide lead, with some of the rest of the team to clean up what Weavile struggles with. Suggestions?

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal portal]

some of these abilities don't make a ton of sense. i'm not really sure what trade rotom-w or unaware meowscarada are supposed to be doing, the latter especially given flower trick already ignores boost bc it autocrits

[pearl cedar]

Would it be better to go swords of ruin on scarada and beads of ruin on washtom? i didn't realize those abilities were unbanned

[echo lodge]

If you want to use lead Weavile, it should probably be reworked into a hyper offense team

That being said, I'd further rec a much more threatening Weavile like this one

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Beat Up
• Icicle Crash
• Ice Shard
• Swords Dance

[paper moat]

i would do SoR meow, wbb corv, hadron rotom ig

this team loses to hariyama if weavile dies

[timid meadow]

Sword of Ruin meowscarda is good; but if it’s running that I like scarf

[paper moat]

it also doesn't have a good MU vs SoR SD chien

[timid meadow]

It serves as a nice end game cleaner or speed check

[paper moat]

for this you could run unaware scream tail over lets see

oh i forgot sorry

hmm this team wants stail but im not sure who to boot

[timid meadow]

Ceruledge tbhh

[paper moat]

it becomes kinda passive tho

well not that passive

but meow would be the only damager

[timid meadow]

You would still have Weavile and Rotom

[paper moat]

weavile is a suicide lead

oh yeah rotom is there mb

i think rotom can afford scarf and meow keeps band

then ceru gets replaced for unaware scream tail imo

[timid meadow]

Ye

I didn’t see rotom was scarf

[paper moat]

its specs

i meant specs --> scarf

[timid meadow]

Yeah that makes more sense

[half cliff]

https://pokepast.es/43595bd078f335e4 Gen 6 Pure Hackmons
this team is already working great so far with me earning a high win streak, but what should I change to really perfect it?

[urban arch]

deo s is missing 4 evs

[paper moat]

@surreal nacelle

[bitter echo]

https://pokepast.es/b8cb7685d53571f0 how do i improve this

[dusk pasture]

@autumn ivy

[paper moat]

dont know much abt nfe but surely moldy is better on tinka right?

[bitter echo]

Knock off

[surreal portal]

https://pokepast.es/9d9b393ec4ecd322 trying to build something consistent for reqs, this seems decent but struggles into rotom-w / hazards chomp

kilowattrel is also annoying but this is more just a ting-lu moment

[dusk pasture]

personally i tend to lean towards fat teams as they feel more consistent for me for reqs or HO to blitz through low ladder but

what's EE gambit for

[surreal portal]

chomp

was originally WBB but hazards chomp was near unplayable

[autumn ivy]

sorry for the delay. some of the obvious stuff:
dunsparce should have roost, i'd put it over glare.
toedscool is missing a nature. your team is really weak atm so you might actually find it better to run a more offensive spread
use mold breaker on tinkatuff. your idea is absolutely valid but the problem is that most of our knock off users (toedscool, tinkatuff, dartrix) aren't pokemon you want to stay in on anyway. something is going to have to eat the knock off as you switch out anyway and taking their eviolite isnt really something special when you can also just click knock off yourself to remove their item

it also means you have a much worse hattrem matchup

pickpocket is more of a thing for swords dance sets where the extra turn you're generating by forcing them to knock off twice can actually be really threatening

[timid meadow]

I feel like you could replace gren with Iron Moth and that would resolve that.

[autumn ivy]

aside from all that your team seems good enough, though it'll probably have some trouble against some physical attackers like gabite and fraxure. you could probably afford to replace pawniard with something faster like sneasel, or if you really want to keep pawn maybe change dunsparce to a physdef calm mind set with ice beam for extra insurance

if you're having trouble with anything in particular lmk

[timid meadow]

Both of Prim Sea’s Kilo stabs become 50% and weather ball is a resist, and if you want to run tspikes to pair with hex that’s a nice plus too

[surreal portal]

my main concern with this is just losing to AV chomp near instantly

bc moth can't touch it even with hadron gleam

[timid meadow]

Ah right that’s fair

[surreal portal]

could maybe do rotom-fridge or glaceon? not really sure

these special ice types are dire

[timid meadow]

If you’re running Glaceon you really need hazard support and or pivots (which you do have)

Alternatively

Actually no nevermind

[surreal portal]

maybe i just take the BH route and run random sash smash in the back

idk

[bitter echo]

So what nature should I use on toed?

[autumn ivy]

calm, i don't know what you're trying to creep with the speed though

and like i said you might prefer a more offensive variant

im going to bed but if you have any more questions lmk and ill get back to you tomorrow

[bitter echo]

Aight

[urban arch]

@sacred oriole https://pokepast.es/a32dc23d7408fb81 clicker

[sacred oriole]

Did you just take my quadruple bird team and replace Talonflame

[urban arch]

what

oh lmao

[sacred oriole]

I like Court Change on Cinderace for secondary hazard counterplay

Clicker should have trick last

[urban arch]

it does

wait it doesn't

[sacred oriole]

I would think about pivot move on Kilo, but it does want five moves

So that’s defensible as is

[timid meadow]

I would probably have trick over twave for last move on the clicker

for stuff like blissey

or opposong garg

the ladder I can see being pretty annoying for this team

[dusk pasture]

small note

i generally prefer u-turn/vswitch on kilo

[timid meadow]

oh right yeah

[dusk pasture]

since it's not really that offensively apt

without speccs

[timid meadow]

don't wanna be va'd/blocked

[dusk pasture]

i am concerned about scream tail being your main progress maker but

🤷‍♂️

[timid meadow]

it does well enough against the dragons

the issue is garg imo

[dusk pasture]

i mean sure but there's quite a few walls that can stop this like regenvest tink or baked corv

and at that point it seems really hard to make progress against bulkier teams

i'm also concerned about your gambit mu

you could run bpress but then mglo quav bulldozes through this team pretty easily

actually you could pivot into kilo i guess

[urban arch]

so erm

how do i actually break

break/make progress

[sacred oriole]

Clicker can break many defensive cores, and of course SD Ace is there for moar power

Those are your two main paths, or pivot cycling with Moon and Kilo

[urban arch]

garg

[sacred oriole]

Garg can’t actually wall clicker cause 16>8

[urban arch]

252 SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Scream Tail Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Garganacl in Sand: 135-160 (33.4 - 39.6%) -- 19.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

50>39.6

[dusk pasture]

run trick

personally i dislike boots desoland ace as a breaker (mglo is alright)

i don't see a reason you can't pair it up with something really explosive though

not like you have a short list to choose from

[high trellis]

what about psyshock

[urban arch]

29 max

[high trellis]

252 SpA Choice Specs Scream Tail Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Garganacl: 100-118 (24.7 - 29.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

xd

[fresh marten]

what is clicker

[fresh marten]

https://pokepast.es/5247b6d24bea8406
AAA

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[urban arch]

specs pixi boomburst stail

[fresh marten]

alr

[paper moat]

many changes here i would do:
change Moon to life orb, Sword of Ruin, Crunch > Throat
Nasty Plot on Lucario to EQ, Asphere to CC
ill need to think on the gambit set gimme a sec
remove samurott entirely
Quick Feet hizo --> Sheer Force LO, bitter --> shadow, focus miss --> hyper voice, idt you need flame so either psychic, icy wind, body slam, uturn, knock off work

i think samurott can be replaced with specs primsea greninja with hydro, dark pulse, uturn, ice beam

this team loses to hariyama very quickly so i would take hmm

sorry my brain died

[paper moat]

alternatively, Magic Guard LO quaquaval can spin away rocks and be a very potent offensive threat

if you do use that, Dazzling Polteageist and Psychic Surge Armarouge could replace kingambit

[timid meadow]

The two Mon changes I’d make are dual screens Corviknight with prankster > Kingambit and Quav > Samurott

This team is definitely trying to be an HO and it’s almost a necessity that DD moon has screens since it’s frail if it’s not invested into bulk.

I’d actually get rid of lucario for psychic surge armarouge tbh for that priority control too as the team is weak to it, and then make Zoroark nasty plot with shadow ball focus blast and icy wind (as the team can struggle vs av chomp otherwise)

[fresh marten]

moth already has sf lo

also using hyper voice wil lgive me LO recoil

[fresh marten]

alr but wouldn't scream tail be better?

[timid meadow]

As a terrain setter?

[fresh marten]

?

no

screen setter

[timid meadow]

Ohhhh

Yeah actually

That could work

[fresh marten]

or umbreon

it has pretty good stats and dark so no prank-taunt

definetly gonna remove lucario

scarf rouge right

[timid meadow]

Ye

[fresh marten]

alr done

[paper moat]

didnt see that

you could use hadron lo moth then

[paper moat]

hyper isnt good on hizo in general

[fresh marten]

that's the same boost as sheer force lo

1.3*1.3 = 1.69

although yes discharge has more power

[paper moat]

yeah but you would prefer sflo on hisuianzoro

[fresh marten]

would i

[paper moat]

yes

well let me see the updated team

[fresh marten]

alr

https://pokepast.es/e7e5cc70d03ac355

[paper moat]

sword of ruin roaring moon...

and the gambit set is still very weird

[timid meadow]

hadron is better for discharge spam and also wanting to use dgleam

[high trellis]

I agree, you 100% want gleam bc paldean megamence and chomp are among the two most common switchins for it

[high trellis]

I respect the gambit set, but its not fit for screens

[fresh marten]

alr

[high trellis]

Perhaps something like immunity+ sd

Or tinted + sd

Corb should be the screen setter

Bc it has u turn

[fresh marten]

alr

[high trellis]

Sball over bitter malice

On hizo

And id def run mixed sheer force + nplot on it

Bslam/knock, focus miss, sball, plot

[supple musk]

https://pokepast.es/4c6b662777eda5c2

I was desperate to build a team around my favorite pokemon for pokebilities despite Typhlosion being bad, so here it is

I don't really care for multiple choice items on the same team if it isn't HO, which is why Wake isn't Scarf

[paper moat]

@dim timber friend for you methinks

cant find any other council members so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple musk]

I would put Cyclizar or Orthworm on the team, but they don't really fit sun without Shed Tail and while it isn't banned right now, one of the mods on the forum said that it would be getting banned

[fresh marten]

why ?

[dim timber]

shed tail is banned in most metagames now instead of cyclizar

generally a more flexible choice

also i literally put out a PR over a week ago to patch pokebilities and remove shed tail but it was not merged and now it has missed two format hotpatches. L

[supple musk]

Sorry, wrong channel for this one. Deleting all after Ivy's message rq

[ripe nexus]

https://pokepast.es/751ff522fc33b712

who do i ping for balanced hackmons

miraidon was banned so what do i replace i ahven

't. played this meta in a while

[timid meadow]

@surreal portal

[ripe nexus]

oh thank you

[surreal portal]

this team looks generally pretty dated but should be mostly fine, if you want a direct miraidon replacement then something like flutter mane or iron bundle can work

though there isn't really anything as autonomous as miraidon

[ripe nexus]

which one would fit better

[surreal portal]

probably flutter mane

[ripe nexus]

whats a good set for fluttermane

[surreal portal]

jsyk because the team structure is dated you're more likely to run into things that hard-wall your team members; stuff like corviknight and ice scales arc-fairy / zacian are p common

[surreal portal]

main one is specs pixilate, flare boost and hadron engine also exist

[ripe nexus]

so somethign like this ?

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Boomburst
• Astral Barrage
• Nasty Plot
• Strength Sap

[surreal portal]

no

idk why you have specs + plot and sap