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#OM Rates
ripe nexus
ok
surreal portal
would recommend don -> fur coat + tidy up, and a prank haze user last
crimson verge
also what set does breloom run
vast apex
I'm also not a fan of tera blast on miraidon for this. I think you can do CM or overheat here with tera electric/dragon to wallbreak
vast apex
also what set does breloom run
SD + 3 attacks
ripe nexus
would recommend don -> fur coat + tidy up, and a prank haze user last
would somethign like dondozo work for it
surreal portal
should do
vast apex
mach,bullet seed, and rock tomb are good options with loaded dic
crimson verge
https://pokepast.es/3c6886a4988148f9 here's the finished product tyvm
vast apex
gl in the tour
topaz mango
https://pokepast.es/373eb24a715e3ab9 aaa palafin team and https://pokepast.es/2b3497aa24b24fdb this team I made with another member on this discord but now im trying to use palafin I need advice going into a tournament soon
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surreal portal
would not recommend agility palafin (you already have jet punch + agility only really helps against meowscarada which doesn't safely come in anyway), otherwise the only immediate issue seems to be dnite
dark crane
surreal portal
slaking is banned and there's one ability clause so you can't have 2 regen
void flame
MnM team built around Toxtricity. https://pokepast.es/5630d00f6d78deb7 wish I knew how to team build better but until then this is all I got
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void flame
Ofc
slim monolith
toxtricity should be minimum 92spe to outspeed pult and the rare diancite ival, take from hp
void flame
Got it
slim monolith
idt u need drain punch either here but up to u since ur entire team loses to magnezone
void flame
I had a better set for it but I lost all my teams a bit ago
void flame
Is there anything that could do the weavile’s job as a revenge killer better?
slim monolith
most things tbh
void flame
Lol
slim monolith
weavile w/o the moves that made it scary is super eh
esp where u cant threaten arc at all
id probably say add arcanine over it + garganacl over glimmora
void flame
What set should the Garg be?
Oh right tyrantitarite exists
Actually might be good to Tera it so I got no clue
slim monolith
tyranitarite is best here ye
went through some options and i think this is generally ur best bet, team becomes a little bulkier but tox appreciates the chip it can get
tox lives a max attack alt dnite espeed from full after rocks or two turns of sand and ohkos after rocks, gholdengo was just made faster + nasty plot recover set for pre-mega, arcanine outspeeds most if not all latiasite gholdengo ull see, takes as little from rocks as possible, and max attack for revenge killing
ttarite garg switches in on pult inc hydro pump after rocks and can just stall it out w/ protect + salt cure along with punishing ghold/corv switch that way
i forgot what specifically that corv set lives but i know its important
and minspeed lets u underspeed most garg on ladder outside of sablenite ofc along with all other corviknight, and slowbro is ur blue orb switchin + backup sweeper
void flame
Slowbro is something I never would of thought of
slim monolith
key thing with arcanine, slowbro, and gholdengo is that you only really mega if you have to to prevent a sweep, the utility of their regular abilities are no longer needed, or if it would guarantee you a ko even if they switch
arcanine can be willo for burns or pfangs for pex and pre-mega clodsire but the latter is commonly gyaradosite
the only thing that could possibly be a slight scare is rusted shield garganacl and volcarona and thats because of tera, but thats it and even those you can bait + ruin with ur own garganacl
(just be aware of rusted shield garganacl's body press)
void flame
I’d prob go will-o as Tox can deal good damage to pex
And I am farther into the coping process of losing to volcarona
So that’s fine
slim monolith
actually 1sec
make arcanine 246spe
so it outspeeds unboosted volcarona and can threaten tera later on
void flame
Take from bulk I’m guessing
slim monolith
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 168 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD / 80 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Extreme Speed
- Morning Sun
- Will-O-Wisp```yeah from hp
slim monolith
that links to an invalid paste
its an annoying bug that happens sometimes and i think its mobile only
void flame
https://pokepast.es/68ab749ed8a9aa93
Should work now
slim monolith
```Arcanine @ Altarianite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 168 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD ...
copy this arcanine set and just import it over the current one, then its good
void flame
Thats what it was before adding the speed EVs. So should I go speed or bulk
sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/373eb24a715e3ab9 aaa palafin team and https://pokepast.es/2b...
Palafin has Jet Punch, Agility is a waste on it
Corviknight is the main Knock switch in, if you want it to be slow, run minspeed not lagging tail
But make Palafin Band and give Corv a real item and this looks fine
hushed harbor
mnm https://pokepast.es/782cb5cef61911ce @slim monolith
slim monolith
ok so hex is better with lucarionite and pao can easily be aerodactylite so lets do that
but even then it feels weird here
hushed harbor
ok so hex is better with lucarionite and pao can easily be aerodactylite so lets...
what do I even run on lucarionite pult? Like draco meteor, u-turn, hex, twave or somethin?
slim monolith
what do I even run on lucarionite pult? Like draco meteor, u-turn, hex, twave or...
ddarts, hex, twave, uturn
https://pokepast.es/4db87d8bced00644 what i came up with
hushed harbor
https://pokepast.es/4db87d8bced00644 what i came up with
why gyarados clod?
slim monolith
clodsire checks (blue orb) waters decently well (quaq, skewda) + pairs well with arcanine to bait tera on volcarona and tusk for slowbro
slim monolith
why gyarados clod?
mold breaker
hushed harbor
clodsire checks (blue orb) waters decently well (quaq, skewda) + pairs well with...
ah I see
slim monolith
tusk can 1v1 palafin @ +1 easily since it ohkos with headlong and lives a cb tera water jet punch
pao is aerodactylite to give pult lucarionite and instead is sucker punch to still get the pseudo-adapt boost
hushed harbor
ngl kinda dont like losing dnite here, I rly love being able to have 2 chances at espeed sweeping, ya think itll work if I swap out pult for dnite? That way I can have dnite and Ill also be able to have lucario on pao
slim monolith
n
dnite really doesnt work well here and arc isnt a sweeper either
arc is a revenge killer, and if needs be then tusk can just spin -> bulk up in endgames
since that speed outpaces lopunnite barraskewda, the fastest mon in the meta rn
not to mention it kinda just stacks weaknesses? like i get why u want to use it but
it would make getting pao in harder and dragonite struggles early on anyway
which is where pult shines
slim monolith
right the 25spe ivs on clod are to underspeed min speed sable corv
so u can get rocks up pre-mega
hushed harbor
ah I see I see aight
slim monolith
- punish roosts
whole tree
https://pokepast.es/685562f11e473e53
I built this team around using frosmoth to punish passive mons and use either pult or dragalge to take advantage of it as fodder. Pult evs are mainly used to get more dds up agaisnt the trapped mon, and the speed is used to outspeed max investment moon. Looking for help on team structuring, I feel like using maushold as a crutch for the physical spectrum is a stretch due to the amount of pults in ladder, so it'll likely be replaced
changed maushold -> washtom https://pokepast.es/e18a40aee904af26
echo lodge
@flint plover
crimson verge
https://pokepast.es/bc3fc7a59adc398e @vast apex i like these 6 but im unsure of the sets
wdyt
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/bc3fc7a59adc398e <@394315555277897756> i like these 6 but im...
I’d do CB on lokix and make bax setup with boots. SD lokix is too reliant on sucker punch to hit anything faster than it (a lot of things). other than that the team looks fine. you could consider tweaking the iron treads ev’s to get the atk boost under terrain to pop miraidon, but loading up spdef is fine
crimson verge
was mostly orb there because i wanted to switch moves but yeah cb might be better
flint plover
https://pokepast.es/685562f11e473e53
I built this team around using frosmoth to ...
you dont have any hazard removal, and while i wouldnt recommend frosmoth in this format you should have that to make it work, or just in general because hazards are a big deal either way, if you want a trapper there are many other mons with access to fire spin/sand tomb/infestation, also using hazards of your own would let pult get the assurance boost on more than just the second darts hit
also you have very little to do to deal with kingambit, may use quaquaval as your spinner to have an answer to it
whole tree
maybe i could do fire spin cinder over frosmoth? it has court change which kills two bird with one stone
should b fine if they dont have hazards either
flint plover
it could work but you are still too hazard weak to have court change as your answer to them
whole tree
alr i changed it https://pokepast.es/3f7d154162dfab80
also doesnt lose to tr now which is nice
flint plover
equipped moves are items so acrobatics wont do much damage and not really a fan of lugg either, you could at least give it a tera that fixes its type, but torkoal, nacl and iron treads are usually better at body pressing
whole tree
equipped moves are items so acrobatics wont do much damage and not really a fan ...
alright
topaz mango
https://pokepast.es/4117070b3a5e1817 what yall think of this aaa
sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/4117070b3a5e1817 what yall think of this aaa
@echo lodge @dusk pasture friend
normal marlin
Copy of copy of copy of copy of-
echo lodge
https://pokepast.es/4117070b3a5e1817 what yall think of this aaa
This team is horrifyingly weak to any priority
Triage Pokemon kind of just roll it over
It's generally not great to stack weaknesses amongst mons like hydreigon + garchomp + meow + roaring moon
normal marlin
Triage Pokemon kind of just roll it over
Not to mention a certain Mr. ESpeed that’s fairly common rn
echo lodge
Indeed
Honestly, I would consider an unaware scream tail over the garchomp
that would help against a lot of matchups
keeps your anti setup mon + gives you a setup mon of your own
Scream Tail @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Dazzling Gleam
- Wish
- Protect
topaz mango
that looks good now
Im tryna make a team for a tournament heres another team i made with a person on this server what u think https://pokepast.es/c2a1562b3f572141
topaz mango
@echo lodge
echo lodge
Out shopping now, I'll take a look when I get home later if someone else doesn't
echo lodge
Im tryna make a team for a tournament heres another team i made with a person on...
At this point I can't tell if you're intentionally ignoring us or just trolling for fun with the lagging tail corviknights
Corviknight is your primary switch-in to Knock Off, so Lagging Tail is pointless on it
If you want to get a slow pivot, you should run Lvl 99 Corviknight instead
I would run Hasty Or Naive Nature H-Zoro so you can get better Body Slam damage into targets like Blissey:
4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Zoroark-Hisui Body Slam vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 308-364 (43.1 - 50.9%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO
4- Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Zoroark-Hisui Body Slam vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 277-328 (38.7 - 45.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Pretty big difference
whole tree
https://pokepast.es/4c51aba013157bf7 sudowoodo is genuinely viable
sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/4c51aba013157bf7 sudowoodo is genuinely viable
@flint plover @vast apex friend for you
topaz mango
At this point I can't tell if you're intentionally ignoring us or just trolling ...
It’s hard to not use lagging tail I switch it always go back to it Garg can be annoying and makes it very hard to switch out lol safely getting in a Mon is very good im more looking at the offensive mons trying to change them for better yk
whole tree
It’s hard to not use lagging tail I switch it always go back to it Garg can be a...
corviknight is already slow enough... lefties or rocky is infinitely more useful
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/4c51aba013157bf7 sudowoodo is genuinely viable
why is the sudowoodo min spdef it it's a counter set? shouldn't it be min def instead? also surely there are better moves you can put on instead of mudslap right? it seems counterintuitive to your build since you want to get hit to proc counter. maybe put spdef ev's that way you can tank spdef since you only wanna sponge physical attacks. you could even put it in HP that way you have more HP to take damage from and possibly reflect back. other than that maybe put SD on quaquaval over brave bird since ice spinner does about the same thing to grass types anyways.
whole tree
why is the sudowoodo min spdef it it's a counter set? shouldn't it be min def in...
it was a troll team but i reworked it into a genuine one if u wanna see
vast apex
sure
whole tree
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/87d095bcc9feacce
I liked cyclizar > orthoworm here and I still prefer ice spinner >brave bird on quaquaval. other than that the team is fine though draco could be cool on goodra since it can turn into a +2 nuke at any moment
crimson verge
https://pokepast.es/f140d5a4018123fd @vast apex @sacred oriole
the idea was offensive spikes with spa meowscarada
not very confident with this one
it probably should be speed ghold
quartz dirge
you forgot 4 ev on meowscarada
crimson verge
oh true
sacred oriole
Spending Miraidon's SpA slot on Meow, especially in a Dragon-heavy metagame, kinda feels like a waste tbh
nothing that outspeeds Bundle, Pult or friends is also a little worrying
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/f140d5a4018123fd <@394315555277897756> <@859992546628337674>
meow can work in spA but it doesn't look like you're supporting it well or it does very much for your team right now in its current state. gholdengo should go in favor of an actual defensive pokemon there. in your team's current state, koraidon gets a kill everytime it comes in since you lack any switch-ins. gholdengo doesn't do much for your team either since there aren't any hazards to block nor does it help your team make any progress. you can put skeledirge here since your team just gets throttled by any sort of set-up/DD pokemon.
I think maybe make miraidon specs too here since your team strangely lacks breaking power depending on the defensive core
whole tree
I liked cyclizar > orthoworm here and I still prefer ice spinner >brave bird on...
cyclizar is legal?
i thought dubers were banned
vast apex
cyclizar is legal?
I'm pretty sure it is legal
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mortal panther
dusk pasture
https://pokepast.es/ae169bc21ef706fa
AAA
teams alright but a few changes I'd recommend
using scarf moth makes your team vulnerable to things like specs greninja
I'd prefer physdef corv and spdef tinglu as well
to check meowscarada and sandy shocks better repsectively
dusk pasture
using scarf moth makes your team vulnerable to things like specs greninja
boots is probably better and I'd prefer regen over dozo
also I really don't like ever giving up lefties on dozo but ig with no salt cure switch in it's reasonable
mortal panther
boots is probably better and I'd prefer regen over dozo
so regen on moth?
wdym over dozo?
and is corv still gonna be using vessel
dusk pasture
so regen on moth?
regen dozo, boots on iron moth (desolate land is still find for primsea greninja) and corv should probably use intimidate/fluffy
mortal panther
kk ty
wait isnt there an ability clause?
what should ting lu's ability be changed to
@dusk pasture
dusk pasture
actually since you wanna do spike stack then intim dozo + fluffy corv is probably fine
alternatively, run flame body corv or immunity
mortal panther
ok ty
echo lodge
https://pokepast.es/e8dc1ed6a9ce3ed8
AAA team
Iron Moth should possibly have uturn to give you another way to get iron leaves and jugulis onto the field
I kind of see the reasoning behind AV Well Baked Body Treads since there's a Regen Tail to wishpass, but typically it uses Leftovers; also, you should pretty much never be dropping Knock Off on treads
It's extremely useful
So I'd run that over ice spinner
Scream Tail should have dazzling gleam
Play Rough does less damage into basically every relevant target
restive linden
Iron Moth should possibly have uturn to give you another way to get iron leaves ...
U turn over discharge or morning sun
restive linden
Ok
blissful lotus
choice scarf spikes?
valid vapor
Is a thing
acoustic cradle
https://pokepast.es/e8dc1ed6a9ce3ed8
AAA team
i think focus is super valuable on jug to hit moon
and 2hko garg through lefties protect
i think you keep earth power if you want, dpulse destroys corv just fine
restive linden
i think focus is super valuable on jug to hit moon
Really?
tidal kernel
https://pokepast.es/92fa63b2e099ba57 mnm team
umbral lavaBOT
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slim monolith
solid start, id probably make corv max/max bc its level 99 + replace quaq w/ palafin as to handle ghold better (cb or bu, up to u but id say the former is better here) + maybe replace garg as it does no favors for that mu anyway. you may also want to run fast, bulky manec msun iron moth with bu as to do more in general
if you keep absolite moth then use fire blast over fiery dance
crimson verge
https://pokepast.es/8c435ed723516225 @vast apex wdyt
vast apex
you don’t have enough pivots for triple choiced imo. you can make miraidon non-choiced with boots or add u-turn on greninja somewhere and make it boots or ebelt
if you can get predicts right almost everytime, then you won’t be punished. but that’s incredibly unlikely and you could open up too many opportunities for your opponent, especially with tera being a factor
vast apex
errr I can phrase that better: your choice locked mons preferably want pivots since the moves they lock themselves into aren’t that free and have common switch-ins. ting-lu/pex/fairies, etc. having pivots on those mons helps you not getting screwed on a wrong prediction
slim monolith
solid start, id probably make corv max/max bc its level 99 + replace quaq w/ pal...
to quickly add onto this, if you do use manectite use this spread as ull outspeed the base 136s while living +2 luc sball 15/16 times and unboosted u live two before rocks twice 97.7% of the time over 248/32's 7/8 (14/16) and 94.1% respectively
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 200 HP / 84 SpD / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fiery Dance
- Sludge Wave
- Morning Sun
- U-turn```
compact dirge
https://pokepast.es/04b26e15a4800976
Got an AAA team
@echo lodge @sacred oriole
dusk pasture
https://pokepast.es/04b26e15a4800976
Got an AAA team
<@178269060075749376> <@859...
defensively this team is rocked by sandy shocks and banded chien pao
other than that it looks alright
compact dirge
Is there anything I could do to improve those MUs?
dusk pasture
i'd prefer intim corv over flame body
flame body is neat, but nothing takes advantage of it that much here
also i'd prefer max HP dnite here considering it's kinda your physical fire check
garg doesn't count as a physical fire check since it's OHKO'd by +2 hjk
accounting for sandy shocks is more tricky, you could probably just cope with offensive cplay? unless you wanna go and restructure the defensive core rather handily
regenvest roaring moon could also possibly be used over iron moth? since it checks the primsea mons and also sandy shocks
you do lose the offensive stuff iron moth and tspikes absorption does and rmoon gets super pivoted on but 🤷
alternatively use va corv and replace something in here with another physical wall like regen dozo or smth
compact dirge
I think I'll just cope
dusk pasture
most ladder sandy shocks are scarf anyway (bad) so you can scout with protect if they come on garg so that's something
no way to stop vswitch is painful though
compact dirge
Thanks for the help
sacred oriole
anyplace to get a CAP team rated?
#1060682530094862477 is the best place for it
compact dirge
https://pokepast.es/af9d679c55acd242
GG
Fairy rotom is to get a wisp on korai, I put all of that investment in spatk bc I didn't wanna squander the damage potential from electric terain, but I'm willing to change it
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sacred oriole
I feel like Miraidon wants three more moves
I would do spikes on Ting-Lu, try and get more layers
I don’t feel like Kingambit needs boots; if you Tera Flying, it’s probably late-game and it’s not coming out again
compact dirge
I feel like Miraidon wants three more moves
Oh crap that's embarrassing
sacred oriole
I might go Thunderbolt over Fire Blast on Pult, since I’m a coward who hates missing and then you get the ETerrain boost
compact dirge
I feel like Miraidon wants three more moves
Draco, vswitch, and idk what else
compact dirge
I don’t feel like Kingambit needs boots; if you Tera Flying, it’s probably late-...
What should I give it
sacred oriole
I usually do Black Glasses, but could do Lefties, Life Orb, or Shuca
Wait this is flying
Not Shuca
sacred oriole
Looks fine to me otherwise
compact dirge
Okay, ty
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/af9d679c55acd242
GG
Fairy rotom is to get a wisp on korai, I...
hmm idt max spA is the play here on washtom. I think going for a defensive/spdef set is probably better. I think tbolt can be replaced with another utility move. you can put NP here if you really wanna apply pressure with rotom. other options could be protect or double status with twave + wisp. I agree with UT that you'd want spikes here as well since you have gholdengo. I'd maybe suggest air balloon instead of boots to block EQ the first time around you try to spinblock. I think boots is a perfectly fine item on kingambit though, and I think you could definitely use it here since your team lacks hazaard control. you have pult/miraidon/rotom which can all pivot, so being able to reliably enter with kingambit on hazards is appreciated. the other items UT mentioned also work. as for the coverage on pult, I don't think it matters too much since you're almost never gonna click it. put whatever you like there. if you're going to use a pivot move on miraidon, I'd go u-turn over volt switch due to ground types like ting lu
compact dirge
Thx
wild junco
hi
Zacian-Crowned @ Life Orb
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
V-create
Bolt Beak
Diamond Storm
Spore
Eternatus @ Life Orb
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Spore
Shell Smash
V-create
Stored Power
Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Orb
Ability: Shadow Shield
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Spore
Quiver Dance
Stored Power
Roost
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Shell Smash
V-create
Bolt Beak
Spore
Arceus @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Quiver Dance
Stored Power
Moonblast
Roost
Kyurem-Black @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
V-create
Bolt Beak
Dragon Ascent
U-turn
is this good
@surreal portal
surreal portal
please use pokepaste
surreal portal
you can manually put it in a paste
surreal portal
what meta is it trying to be
wild junco
This team features a combination of powerful physical and special attackers, as well as some defensive options.
surreal portal
because it has stuff banned from BH, regular EV limit, sleep moves (which are banned in all recent BH metas), and unrestricted zacian
wild junco
chatgpt created it
surreal portal
this channel is for actual competitive teams
wild junco
is this not competitive
surreal portal
which this is not
wild junco
ai vs human
surreal portal
the only meta this is legal for is gen 8 pure hackmons, which i don't rate, but this is automatically unviable due to no eternamax and no neutralizing gas
wild junco
ok
cerulean basin
the only meta this is legal for is gen 8 pure hackmons, which i don't rate, but ...
maybe not helpful here but i dont remember arc being in ss ph
or was it just that bad
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/f05ae523660a469f
okay uhh so 1) if you're going to use a fairy move on arceus ghost, at least go for fleur cannon or moonblast. there's virtually 0 reason to ever run dazzling gleam here when there are moves that are objectively better. I'm not entirely sure on the coverage, but if you have to have some electric move, maybe go for thunder cage instead. the 12% each turn makes up for the slight BP drop
- kyogre doesn't use prankster in the slightest with that moveset? TR is still -6 or -5 priority with prankster and it has scarf on top of that. maybe replace prankser with an offensive ability like beads of ruin or something and then put on more coverage. also again, your choice of coverage moves is strange. but if you have to have a ghost move, go with astral barrage. also steam eruption or origin pulse > surf here. thunder without rain is a bit shaky but if you can hit them, more power to you
- just run chansey/blissey. the mon doesn't matter since you're just running imposter, but at least use chansey/blissey for their massive HP stats
- uhh again astral barrage here > shadow ball but drain punch on a specs set is questionable. maybe go for focus blast here if you want fighting coverage
- your moves already have a very low chance of missing on palkia, so I'm not sure if no guard is necessary here? but if you want to run no guard, you could do like inferno and zap cannon for the 100% rates to burn/para. also run draco or something over dragon pulse. the damage from pulse is neglible in BH
- uhhh you can maybe make toxapex prankster here
surreal portal
yeah i'll be honest none of these sets are usable
topaz mango
https://pokepast.es/5bb8693565ae20be Need help great team 2 itty things florges & hatterene easy sweeps ngl kingambit sometimes too Zoroark is my solution for those but its pretty bad lol dont get me wrong zoroark is great but getting him in safely can risk turns calm minds up swords dances roaring moon is my only answer for kingambit aaa
sacred oriole
You generally need to run either defensive mons that consistently switch into Hatt like WBB Corv, or an offensive Mon that can reliably KO them like Cinderace
You have neither here
You can run Body Press on Corv to beat Gambit
topaz mango
that may be a good idea
i love a defensive garg
protect
sub even
your a genius my friend
i can always count on you
if i ran body press
should I use iron defense too? at that point id have to get rid of u-turn and make it roost and defog that could be an issue
surreal portal
these sets are really not good, idk why 5 of the mons here have moves they can get in standard play
i would really recommend you just look at the setpedia or sample sets
wild junco
Ok
I don’t know why I waste my time
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike (Type: Fighting/Water, Ability: Adaptability, Item: Choice Band)
Moves: Close Combat, Aqua Jet, U-turn, Ice Punch
Zamazenta-Crowned (Type: Fighting/Steel, Ability: Unaware, Item: Leftovers)
Moves: Body Press, Substitute, Iron Defense, Slack Off
Zacian (Type: Fairy/Steel, Ability: Intrepid Sword, Item: Rusted Sword)
Moves: Behemoth Blade, Close Combat, Play Rough, Wild Charge
Ditto (Type: Normal, Ability: Imposter, Item: Choice Scarf)
Moves: Transform
Blissey (Type: Normal, Ability: Magic Guard, Item: Heavy-Duty Boots)
Moves: Soft-Boiled, Seismic Toss, Toxic, Stealth Rock
Corviknight (Type: Flying/Steel, Ability: Mirror Armor, Item: Heavy-Duty Boots)
Moves: Brave Bird, Roost, Defog, U-turn
Is this good
@surreal portal
It will take me a year to poke paste
surreal portal
can you please just stop copying stuff from chatGPT and posting it here
it won't be good
wild junco
Why
surreal portal
partially because chatGPT's knowledge ends before 2022
so it does not know SV BH exists
wild junco
Yea
raven karma
https://pokepast.es/1faa44bf63208d6c Gen 6 PH
slim monolith
idk anyone else outside of ntothen lol
surreal nacelle
I revamped this team a good chunk https://pokepast.es/ba8c172effdffdda
truth be told there was a lot with the team that needed to be changed
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/05c2cfd57b2b635c
Almost Any Ability
GOD I hate this defensive core, sinks way too much momentum for how aggressive the other three are but I would really like to keep Regen SD Chomp intact, really been enjoying it so far, and it's done quite well on the ladder.
EVs on Chomp OHKO PhysDef Garg at +2 with EQ, and 2HKO Fluffy Corv at +2, while 4 Sp. Def lets it live a Scarf Armarouge Eforce after Rocks, and Speed outruns Timid Rotom Appliances.
Defense is just a dump to scout and pivot around certain Desoland Mons + Garg.
sacred oriole
This looks very solid
It’ll be hard to have a less passive defensive core with you spending regen offensively
Clod is the only true sink honestly
orchid grove
yeah I just feel like I need Clod for Gar, and it's SO rough.
orchid grove
yeah I kinda got nothing for it outside of Clod
Corrosion is my copium to not be such a drain
sacred oriole
Unless you’re willing to slap bulletproof on something, it’ll be hard to handle defensively and less passively
I wonder if you could do bulletproof scream tail and uh
Something that handles Dragonite?
Actually no I hate that hm
orchid grove
yeah I'm kinda liking Unaware STail here too.
esp for WishPassing to Gambit to let it keep checking mons it should.
I didn't give much thought to Bulletproof mons until now though, so that's smth to think about.
sacred oriole
@echo lodge what non-passively checks Gengar without regen
orchid grove
well ig the better question is what are popular bulletproof mons rn?
orchid grove
You know, I think I could actually get away with that.
I have my defensive resources spread across my offensive core already as well, and most other stuff is already handled.
sacred oriole
time to start running Dark Pulse Gengar
sacred oriole
You know, I think I could actually get away with that.
I could see that here yeah
Shift the team a good bit more offensively but
echo lodge
just have to watch out for sludge bomb
and/or a random coverage move like Psychic
but they should generally just be sball / fblast / sludge bomb
Maybe Energy Ball over Sludge Bomb, but that's not so likely
orchid grove
I love Gengar but god I hate having to account for it in AAA.
https://pokepast.es/de6e4d7418476774
Though this is what I'm going with now, wondering if there's a better ability I could be running Zoro for dealing with Gengar.
echo lodge
Unaware Scream Tail should pretty much never not be dlgeam + cm
It's not strong enough to get away with that; it'll just get ppstalled by the offensive mons it's meant to beat
If you're dead set on hzoro beating gengar, make it bulletproof
Alternatively, you could make garchomp spdef with rocks
and have that + sflo hzoro
orchid grove
If you're dead set on hzoro beating gengar, make it bulletproof
not exactly dead set on it hard stopping, just wondering if there's some kind of midground I can hit that doesn't lean to either extreme.
if only HZoro had double Edge so I could go Magic Guard
paper moat
~~if only HZoro had double Edge so I could go Magic Guard~~
fyi mg(lo) hizo is a set
Zoroark-Hisui @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 88 Atk / 168 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hex
- U-turn
- Knock Off
wait
this is what i would do
languid breach
Trying out teams for ZU and landed on this one after some testing. https://pokepast.es/92379a6f573e8a67 (Put this in the wrong channel before)
sacred oriole
Trying out teams for ZU and landed on this one after some testing. https://pokep...
@near cairn friend for you
near cairn
i haven"t played a single sv zu game
it's too early for me to give a good rate 😭
id say make fraxure aqua tail to benefit from tera water or change its tera to ground / steel
languid breach
Wait I'm fighting you tomorrow in the No Johns tournament lmao
languid breach
Tera Water was mainly to resist stuff like Ice Shard but Steel would probably be better for that yea
Don't know how good Gastly actually is but I think it's been a moderately alright spin blocker considering its only competition is Sandyghast
And maybe Bramblin + Sinistea after double checking things
languid breach
There are more pandas in the server than I expected lol
sacred oriole
@ PandaDoux♥♡㋛★✩#6506 is probably who they meant?
vast apex
yea
languid breach
@livid oar
dusk pasture
you could run heavy slam on garganacl
you could also run trick on meowscarada if you're desperate
livid oar
paper moat
someone needed you for ZU
paper moat
Trying out teams for ZU and landed on this one after some testing. https://pokep...
here ig
languid breach
Yea made a team for Gen 9 ZU yesterday and wanted to see if anyone could spot any big flaws
languid breach
Ah aighty
surreal portal
not really, a lot of these just simply aren't good (like on spectrier why do you have plot + sub on specs, why is mence mono-superpower) and there is little defensive presence
sacred oriole
Short answer, no
surreal portal
we updated the VR yesterday so please just look there
sacred oriole
Intrepid sword is (usually) bad
Bully up is directly outclassed by coil and victory dance
wild junco
vr?
sacred oriole
But yeah borrow one of these for now: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons.3710859/post-9399546
wild junco
thanks
lunar wadi
I'm trying to ladder for the Dragonite suspect test and I'm using this garbage team:
https://pokepast.es/3c4f6e60a5a0554c (AAA)
I feel like what the team needs is a Natural Cure + Rest Garchomp, since I'm struggling with Pex and WBB Treads, but I don't know which mon to swap. So far, I'm feeling like switching clodsire, but I'm not sure if taking away my corrosion chip mon is a good idea.
help and recommendations appreciated
topaz mango
https://pokepast.es/7a27f56f75f88801 AAA Tryna cook up some fire I wanna use a substitute garg so I need stealth rock on another mon I was doing some games until I realized that you kinda need a special attacker and not just all physical any help?
umbral lavaBOT
New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus, @dusk pasture. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
dusk pasture
I'm trying to ladder for the Dragonite suspect test and I'm using this ~~garbage...
if you want natrest chomp you could potentially get rid of moth
i dont see that much it does defensively for this team
although a mguard mon would generally be appreciated on a stall team like this
although this stall team even is a bit too do nothing for my taste but eh
SFLO zoro-h also basically 6-0's this team and mglo lucario can really destroy this team so those are also noteworthy
that garg set is also odd
dusk pasture
although this stall team even is a bit too do nothing for my taste but eh
if you want to look at a successful stall team, you can always take from isaiah's (and QTs) stall team
lunar wadi
the one they posted at the start of the forum?
dusk pasture
jaw lock on a regenvest rmoon is also odd given you dont really want to trap yourself into a bad matchup and there's not a lot where'd you jaw lock
dusk pasture
the one they posted at the start of the forum?
the suspect, yes
lunar wadi
ok, I'll try that then
which pokemon in isiah's team would be used for dealing with corrosion pex
dusk pasture
magic guard dozo
lunar wadi
Will the dozo also be able to tank tinted band slither wing?
dusk pasture
not really
reliance on rest/wishpass* and the large amounts of damage banded u-turn or CC do is too much for dozo to handle
lunar wadi
Ah ok.. then I'll need the scream tail for that?
btw if there's a mglo hzoro with body slam then what would I do
dusk pasture
like i said before your team just straight up folds to zoro-h
running speed investment on roaring moon/chople berry on sandstream garg is one way to cope, or you could slot a more dedicated ghost answer over iron moth
also don't try to invest into defense for either garg or roaring moon, i don't see much it'd be useful for
and you're giving up a sizeable amount of special bulk which isn't that fun
lunar wadi
ok I'll just try to use the sample then 😅
btw in Isiah's team blissey is used for hzoro right?
dusk pasture
the purifying salt clodsire is
blissey gets nearly 2HKO'd by sflo body slam and fblast does chunks as well
yeah, ghosts suck
lunar wadi
oh I see, the clod lives 3-4 slams from sflo zoro
alright tysm, sorry for asking dumb questions
dusk pasture
no problem
lunar wadi
I guess this is why purifying salt is on clod
topaz mango
I guess this is why purifying salt is on clod
She is right though tbh in my opinion a lot would be better unless ur tryna run a defensive than special defensive and really have a problem with ghost types id just use another ability body slam will 2 hit clodsire if not
lunar wadi
body slam 3-4hkoes 252/136 clod
sacred oriole
@whole tree here
sacred oriole
@vast apex @flint plover friend for you
flint plover
k
first you forgot to change espeon's ability but in any case hatterene is usually better as a magic bouncer and can use draining kiss better thanks to greater bulk, for iron hands you could try to fit volt switch and thunderbolt somewhere, fake out isnt that good of a move anyway, skele may make better use of shadow ball instead of tera blast so you arent forced to tera to improve your coverage, meow should use petal blizzard instead of seed bomb, also acrobatics doesnt get boosted so you should use uturn there instead
the cyclizar has a very weird set, you should be using rapid spin instead of trailblaze if you dont want to run sitrus berry on it, it should also have hp evs and regenerator, knock off will mostly be useless and so will protect and mud slap, you could give it uturn, draco meteor, spin if you dont equip it or taunt
the iron valiant also doesnt make much sense as is holding charge beam despite using a physical set, so give it special moves like moonblast, aura sphere, etc
also remember that knock off doesnt remove equipped moves neither gets the power bonus, so it has limited use and is mostly carried by meow for coverage
by the way you could give sucker punch to meow instead to have some priority in the team
surreal portal
sure
golden plinth
Use pokepast
wild junco
i stoped
using it in pokemon showdown
the moveset is by chat gpt
we can change that
surreal portal
i don't get why this is so hard to understand
0 chatgpt involvement
at all
it does not know what SV BH is
surreal portal
well from the paste above there are no good mons bc tactics was banned yesterday
sacred oriole
this is not worth rating honestly
wild junco
ok
sacred oriole
Please review sample teams and resources: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons.3710859/#post-9399546
wild junco
i need to make it good
surreal portal
they are good for a reason
surreal portal
there is a HO sample
and ultra-offensive isn't an excuse to build with 0 defense in mind
wild junco
ok
frosty quiver
@wild junco stop wasting the time of the OM raters here. I'd suggest making an honest attempt at learning the metagame you are trying to build in before asking for a rate. Luckily for you, there have been some excellent resources linked for you above. Just put a little more effort in, and for the love of god stop trying to use AI to build teams for you, it may be entertaining for you but it's a massive waste of time for us, we simply don't care about chatgpt's teams.
arctic dawn
sacred oriole
GMax Snorlax wouldn't be allowed in gen6
sacred oriole
I would probably check a sample team here; many of these sets look subpar: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/old-gen-hackmons-megathread.3649618/post-9029427
paper moat
https://pokepast.es/7a27f56f75f88801 AAA Tryna cook up some fire I wanna use a s...
main problems i see with the team:
Lagging Tail Corviknight could be replaced with Level 99 and Leftovers or Rocky Helmet
Sub Garg is interesting, but realistically you're better off with either EQ, dropping Protect and running IronPress. You could also use Rocks and change Clodsire to Spikes.
Dragon Claw isnt recommended on Dragonite, you could use either Low Kick, EQ, or a random Fire / Electric move instead.
Overall this team can get overwhelmed by Hatterene easily. Mystical Fire has a 50% chance of OHKOing Corviknight with Rocks, Psyshock OHKOing Clodsire with Rocks, and will beat Garganacl one on one eventually, be it Giga Drain, Stored Power or brute forcing its way through with CM+Kiss. I would change Corviknight to WBB to help with the team, as well as providing an answer to Cinderace and Ceruledge
dusk pasture
main problems i see with the team:
Lagging Tail Corviknight could be replaced wi...
i wouldn't use wbb corv given you'll get a horrible mu into chien pao
you can just use heavy slam for hat
max HP dnite is also a fine fire check
corrosion clod is an odd fit
topaz mango
main problems i see with the team:
Lagging Tail Corviknight could be replaced wi...
Sorry for late response, Sub garg is actually my favorite thing ever im replying to this just to show u https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9almostanyability-1836827772 watch dis bro I lose but garg is half the reason why the tables almost turned 40 turns in but tbh the only reason why that team exists is because im trying to use sub protect garg in that team right there in the battle florges devours ngl garg needs heavy slam to get rid of it
urban arch
karpe OM arc part i've-lost-count @sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/f514ccbbd07ef3ed
tried to build around lycanroc with hazard support
grounds are annoying but i think i put in sufficient cplay
sacred oriole
minspeed corv
urban arch
oops
sacred oriole
I worry a little this team lacks top end breaking power
urban arch
wdym
sacred oriole
would consider making one of Quaq or Terrakion't Swords Dance
sacred oriole
probably yes
urban arch
is bulk up real
urban arch
i don't see any problems with bu but then again i've played 2 games in this meta
sacred oriole
(also sign up for OM tutoring please ❤️
Gengar is a little rough, but you have some checks + two guys that revenge kill fine
urban arch
ok i'll take a look
yea
112 speed 🔥
i am a bit concerned about special breakers in general
horoark also looks 
dusk pasture
i am a bit concerned about special breakers in general
hadron washtom, aoa moth, lo modest shocks along with zoro-h and gengar certainly pose problems
dusk pasture
oh and this team kinda gets 6-0'd by hatterene
unless pex can toxic it and cope with that
you could try working around vest versions of tinglu (or garchomp) although you still have issues with hat
urban arch
also no hazards
sacred oriole
hazards are fake
urban arch
cope harder talon man
sacred oriole
ok i'll take a look
if you're actually interested: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/apprentice-program-signups-sv-other-metagames.3718760/
urban arch
maybe using treads and freeing up a slot?
dusk pasture
Anw https://pokepast.es/9d50a83da8e5e1c1
folds pretty handily to a lot of physical attackers like well played slitherwing and chien-pao
low kick dnite also presents pretty large problems
dusk pasture
maybe using treads and freeing up a slot?
use treads over what 🤔
urban arch
over skarm and tinglu
dusk pasture
maybe? although that presents a lot of defensive holes you need to patch up in one slot
like having no switch in for tinted slitherwing whenever it gets in
urban arch
if you're actually interested: <https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/apprentice...
done
sacred oriole
man I forgot how unviable your time zone is
sacred oriole
we do have an Australian tutor (Jolyne) so that's workable
or if you want to get tutored at midnight, me
valid vapor
or if you want to get tutored at midnight, me
Ut aren’t you already tutoring woopre
sacred oriole
you can tutor two at once
and I also presumably will finish tutoring them at some point
valid vapor
cyan swan
https://pokepast.es/25efe2216da24c37 @echo lodge
echo lodge
Seems like a pretty aggressive BO
Only change I'd suggest straightway is probably making your chomp spdef
Since you don't have any spatker counterplay in general
timid meadow
Yeah sdef chomper here is the play, particularly with how good they are rn as a special pivot
Special attackers are in a nice spot with stuff like Gar Moth Zoroark so having a sponge is recommended.
urban arch
aaa bu palafin hstack
@sacred oriole @echo lodge
i hope gengar and horoark gets nuked tmr
dusk pasture
https://pokepast.es/c65e7fe189a5b5f0
vanilla scream tail so true
paper moat
https://pokepast.es/c65e7fe189a5b5f0
dive...? bslam...?
urban arch
vanilla scream tail so true
oops meant to be intim but does good as gold work
dusk pasture
good as gold is banned
urban arch
dive...? bslam...?
dive for extra lefties and slam for para
oh
that's why i haven't seen it around sry
apparently hstack is pretty strong rn even without it?
dusk pasture
it's kinda fine
also if the scream tail is meant to be intim, you need to change your corviknight
dusk pasture
i wouldn't try to make it any more offensive without removing palafin and pex
palafin is fine maybe? but pex is very passive
urban arch
corrosion though
dusk pasture
and if you try to augment your team to be more offensive your defensive core will become more lacking
dusk pasture
hmm well
first off, i'd probably still make your scream tail unaware
you completely die to the ghosts as well, but im sure you're aware of this
dusk pasture
hadron washtom, talonflame present issues
as well as lucario, as lucario can afford to outlast toxapex's PP
of if it's nasty plot just blow up your pex with steel beam
if you're trying to run hazard stack, i'd try to lean it towards a bulkier team
it's hard to cope with offensive pressure when generally a lot of your team can end up beng pretty passive
in terms of smaller changes, scream tail should pretty much always use protect
otherwise a million things can exploit it taking 2 turns to actually heal
urban arch
can i drop dgleam
dusk pasture
dropping your only attacking moves sounds not so great for letting everything ever in
dusk pasture
while breakers don't like being para'd they can also afford to not care and still blow up your team
urban arch
i can revenge them easier
dusk pasture
kind of? but meowscarada is your only revenge killer
and that's already faster than 90% the meta (and if it's scarf then eh)
normally i'd just run cm wish tect dazzling anyway
i'd personally look at dropping meow and making your team fatter (or palafin) since ultimately the breakers on any opposing team seem to have a much easier time getting in and melting your defensive core than you can pressure them with meow
esp if you're running hazard stack
as some other smaller things, surf over chilling water could be considered to help your talonflame mu
urban arch
now i'm questioning what's the point of palafin over quaq
dusk pasture
that also works
if you're mglo it also helps against corrosion
i was gonna suggest bpress on corv as well as kingambit could be tricky if earth eater or adapt but quav probably works as defensive check?
if you use it anyway
dusk pasture
hmm alright lets see
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 320-376 (69.1 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
i guess this works (except against zoro-h but that sucks ass to deal with anyway)
your options are (if you wanna run fat) run va corv to help against washtom and sandy shocks and run another fire check or wbb corv and run another partner for clodsire (like regen chomp could work)
i'd probably take the latter given you still have some issue with special attackers and tflame otherwise
timid meadow
Regen chomp with dtail I think would work since it can check moth effectively and also dtail can help hazard stack residual
urban arch
yea cool i was thinking roughly the same thing
dusk pasture
actually you might need vest on chomp otherwise because specs greninja sucks ass
timid meadow
Not like it was going to be setting hazards anyways fwiw
echo lodge
Clodsire @ Black Sludge
Ability: Purifying Salt
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SpD
Careful Nature
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Recover
This will do it
Vs both Gengar and hzoro
Tested and proven
dusk pasture
well yeah although if they're running bulky chomp that's fine enough riigghttt
echo lodge
Clodsire + bulky chomp isn't ideal, but yes
dusk pasture
corv can run wbb with bu for talonflame btw
urban arch
Clodsire @ Black Sludge
Ability: Purifying Salt
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252...
cool set but how do i make progress without corrosion
echo lodge
Stealth rock and spikes are right there
dusk pasture
last slot can go for err
urban arch
water check
dusk pasture
kingambit + sd outdamages into a switch in corv too quickly for that work
urban arch
can't you just speed creep kingambit and id before it attacks
dusk pasture
could work but sounds shaky to me
alternatively, quav over palafin could solve this issue
if you're willing anyway
urban arch
yea it does but i was thinking of using both
which lets in meow a bit too much for corv to handle i think
quaq doesn't get dive wtf unviable mon
dusk pasture
band meow is an issue yeah
if you wanna try to restructure for it, run corrosion pex + purifying salt clodsire (pex might need to specially bulky for this) and va corv + baked slitherwing (or mglo/whatever)
just an idea
slither also helps for gambit
alternatively going with the original idea and running like quav over palafin could also still work (quav can also help with banded chien pao maybe idk calcs) while coping against banded meow
urban arch
doesn't cpao 2hko
dusk pasture
surely into a resist and max HP
252 Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Quaquaval: 157-186 (43.4 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
wtf
urban arch
252+ Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Quaquaval: 174-204 (46.5 - 54.5%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
i miscalced
dusk pasture
well it should be 252 but why does that so much
urban arch
i did quagsire
dusk pasture
😭
urban arch
i'm blind™
can you run rocks and spikes on chomp
to fit spikes on clod
eq spikes rocks dtail
@dusk pasture https://pokepast.es/699ea36427d729f4
dusk pasture
<@623046566353043466> https://pokepast.es/699ea36427d729f4
firstly, run max special bulk for chomp
also dauntless only activates for the first switch in
not sure if you need both quav and slitherwing given how they overlap for what they check but eh
urban arch
firstly, run max special bulk for chomp
i clicked the thing yea
timid meadow
both dogs dirty
dusk pasture
ok but zacian DESERVED it
urban arch
zacian rip bozo
dusk pasture
at least they gave zama.... body press
timid meadow
but yeah slitherwing should be either mglo or fluffy or wbb and make corv va.
urban arch
average ndou zama fan vs average ndubers zama-c enjoyer
timid meadow
dauntless is just bad now unfortunately
dusk pasture
intim could work
timid meadow
that could be fine yeah
urban arch
no boosted bp sad
dusk pasture
specially bulky chomp is fine... until you run into good shocks
then you have issues, but i rarely see it
urban arch
i always see problems with spdef chomp into shocks but maybe just because i'm bad
dusk pasture
into scarf it's fine
dusk pasture
normally you just u-turn into your faster mon
otherwise run eq and cope against talonflame
since you don't have a tflame check actually, dont run wbb
urban arch
yea i was about to say
timid meadow
can we nerf talonflame (don't tell UT about this)
stuck crane
Bruh
sacred oriole
can we nerf talonflame (don't tell UT about this)
sacred oriole
I just woke up and haven’t even had my coffee yet
And I have to deal with Talonflame slander
sacred oriole
Is there any rating still to be done here? Or y’all got it?
urban arch
anything else?
wait i think brick break swing might be stronger than bp
also trolls screens
lmao
dusk pasture
looks fine enough
timid meadow
i don't really know what sd would do on chomp tbh
dusk pasture
is a bit do nothing but what can you do
urban arch
i don't know either
dusk pasture
you could try vest (giving up hazards but shrug) for a more secure special sponge
urban arch
can you run rocks and spikes on chomp
^
timid meadow
it can stay since it's a filler but maybe something like protect if non av would work too
dusk pasture
you do give up hazards on chomp which is kinda sad
sacred oriole
Swords Dance means you can at least get ready to hit somebtign when Corv defogs for free
urban arch
hits corv for like 30
timid meadow
touche
urban arch
also
i'm planning to punish corv fogging by going hard clod and getting a free toxic on something
dusk pasture
actually why are you running spikes on chomp
urban arch
oops
sacred oriole
Spikes are better than rocks
dusk pasture
but they already had a spike setter
sacred oriole
Double hazard Garchomp is pretty passive, I’d go back to SD
urban arch
are there any changes to the spreads i should make
dusk pasture
is there a reason for defense investment on quav
timid meadow
kingambit no?
dusk pasture
intim slither
timid meadow
oh well right slither
sacred oriole
What if it’s defiant Kingambit
dusk pasture
im not sure how i feel about mg quav given it has overlapping checks with slither but max ATK SD could do some damage
timid meadow
yeah what if the player forgot to change the ability
dusk pasture
and you need a mg user for corrosion
dusk pasture
What if it’s defiant Kingambit
give up and call it a cteam
sacred oriole
And to sit on garg for free
urban arch
give up and call them stupid for not changing ability
timid meadow
What if it’s defiant Kingambit
have you ever actually seen one on ladder
im not even sure if that's a thing
urban arch
it's a thing when people play native-ability-aaa aka ou
timid meadow
disgusting
sacred oriole
It’s a theorymon thing
timid meadow
why would anyone play native-ability-aaa
urban arch
^^^^^
sacred oriole
But really you want defiant something that beats Corv better anyway
But intimidate +Defog Corv is common enough it could work on something
timid meadow
yeah i was going to say kingambit is not my number one choice for it
since intim corv is common enough
urban arch
alright sounds like a shitset™ i'll build it later™
urban arch
guessing 68
+3 252+ Atk Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 273-322 (68.4 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
i am litereally goated
sacred oriole
+3 252+ Atk Black Glasses Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 327-385 (81.9 - 96.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Okay hang on
We may be onto something here
timid meadow
wicked glasses
urban arch
makes all your dark moves crit
dusk pasture
not the vanilla gambit
urban arch
yes the vanilla gambit >:3
timid meadow
sometimes the simplest sets are the most effective....
sacred oriole
Yeah like Water Bubble Barra
urban arch
new aaa rule: mons that use their native ability gets all their stab moves
urban arch
aqua ring
sacred oriole
Okay idk what it would get
timid meadow
o-pulse
urban arch
aqua step
timid meadow
surging strikes
sacred oriole
Yeah this is a bad idea
urban arch
fisheous rend
timid meadow
,
sacred oriole
.
timid meadow
ok this is a terrible idea
urban arch
i'd like to see an omm with most ou-based oms like this tbh
would be cool and would have many brokos
timid meadow
new aaa rule: mons that use their native ability gets all their stab moves
play staaab then >:3
sacred oriole
BH UU
urban arch
👍
what mon does corv normally go hard into but can't check at +3 asking for a friend
my friend wants to terrorise aaa with defiant
sacred oriole
Most things tbh
timid meadow
Iron leaves (don't use that seriously)
sacred oriole
It’s on the VR!!
timid meadow
who bribed u to put it there
urban arch
i'll make a team with every C mon and then realise i can make better chocies in life
quartz dirge
sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/f73131c7f40da17e
@vast apex gg rate
I would make garg SpD and give it iron defense or curse
quartz dirge
ok
sacred oriole
So it can sit on the field and never leave
quartz dirge
sacred oriole
You don’t have a great Koraidon check unless Garg is already Tera-ed
You might be able to live with that, otherwise Dridge over moth could work
quartz dirge
i think i'm fine against it rn
i'm gonna try to test the team but ladder is dead and has bad players so it's rough
quartz dirge
ok
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/f73131c7f40da17e
this is fairly standard, so it doesn’t need too many changes. you could swap garg and treads places. treads appreciates the spdef more. garg with rocks is fine if you want the hazards, but ID/curse is also fine too
quartz dirge
ok, thx
urban arch
https://pokepast.es/f679bec5899c204d
@dusk pasture loses extraordinarily hard to lucario
sacred oriole
does Clod not eat
sacred oriole
252+ SpA Life Orb Lucario Steel Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 216-255 (46.6 - 55%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
just get the roll
it's in your favor
urban arch
also what if it has eq
sacred oriole
dodge the EQ okay yeah that is kinda fried
timid meadow
but yeah mixed lucario is just really good..
urban arch
classic aaa
echo lodge
Most of the time, you aren't beating Lucario defensively without specific mons or just playing better than they are
It's equipped to blow up common defensive cores
timid meadow
yeah it hits the sweet spot rn of coverage and power to just blow up most things
(also helps the best revenge killer is banned)
timid meadow
There is like, Pex?
if it's not running haze luke blows it up too
sacred oriole
why are you running Pex without Haze?
timid meadow
don't ask me ask the ladder
all the pexes I see are corrision with no haze
which is weird
urban arch
to fit spikes
timid meadow
cause lucario just dumpsters it
urban arch
also lucario has a roll to 2hko physdef
no hazards
i think
nvm it's a 3hko idk what i'm on
topaz mango
can I have a quick conversation with anyoen about pokeabilities real quick
sacred oriole
Yes, but probably better suited to #comp-general-2
safe cave
can I post my cross evo team here
sacred oriole
yes
safe cave
urban arch
wait did i not change it
paper moat
i would do sd leaves but maybe thats just me
urban arch
why sd over cb
paper moat
idk but idt double choiced is good in this team but i think thats just me
urban arch
is there a reason as to why double choice isn't good?
just curious for your reasoning
paper moat
mb triple choice
you already have scarfed meow and specs kilo
protect mons like garg and stail can just scout the move and switch in a resist and all making the mons take chip from rocks slowly
if anything boots kilo or sd leaves but i would prefer boots kilo
urban arch
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Iron Leaves Wild Charge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 338-398 (84.7 - 99.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
very cool
sd is cool
but what do i drop
paper moat
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Iron Leaves Wild Charge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknigh...
that would be a hard pick but i would say psyblade
wrong reply
urban arch
psyblade is goated neutral coverage methinks
paper moat
also im a bit confused w ur calc
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Iron Leaves Wild Charge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 356-421 (89.2 - 105.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
oh i added rocks
paper moat
psyblade is goated neutral coverage methinks
i mean it only really hits pex and erm clodsire
but both lose to wc and leaf blade i think
urban arch
ig
paper moat
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Sharpness Iron Leaves Leaf Blade vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Clodsire: 563-664 (121.5 - 143.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Iron Leaves Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 273-322 (89.8 - 105.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
so idt you need psyblade
surreal portal
special walling here seems quite risky, your options against opposing gren are mostly just predicting
urban arch
exactly
i'm trying to find a good backbone
maybe moon over chomp and rocks on smth else
and maybe have some defensive utility in my offensive mons asw
@dusk pasture
u turn > court change on ace for 6/6 u turn users
urban arch
swing can take on fighters no?
urban arch
gunk shot pex over corv
urban arch
good point
i was originally wbb corv and intim swing and i forgor
i feel guilty slapping the same 3 mon balance core onto everything but i probably should do it anyways
dusk pasture
i feel guilty slapping the same 3 mon balance core onto everything but i probabl...
dont worry i just do that but for 4 mons'
urban arch
oh
dusk pasture
then it blows up in my face in any tournament as i get horribly cteamed
urban arch
i spammed concerning amounts of the same cores last gen asw
paper moat
sacred oriole
I don’t love that your speed control is “never force Gengar out”
Even on balance I like to find a scarfer or priority user
dusk pasture
yeah the ghosts can pretty much dominate this team
garchomp dies to +2 sball with minor chip (and zoro-h survives an eq anyway)
then all you got left is praying that iron moth wins the speed tie
btw when action on ghosts
sacred oriole
You tell me, councilperson
urban arch
rfn
timid meadow
btw when action on ghosts
do another sus to get those tc's rolling /s
but yeah, the team needs something like a meowscarada or offensive roaring moon to pressure the ghosts.
urban arch
I did promise everyone free TC by EOY
what's eoy
valid vapor
Maybe I should’ve done aaa suspects