fair
#OM Rates
slim monolith
dusk pasture
i was working on both scrappy slitherwing and that quav team (which it got removed from) until I then decided to kinda combine the concepts
i do like the team, however both hazards and triage hatterene can put immense pressure on this team
and i dont know how i really can cram a real hat check without compromising what I want to do
i want to keep the team but might have to scrap this one as well
well unless i use something dumb like
dazzling greninja
also damn greninja is really weak without beads of ruins on its dark stab huh
dusk pasture
https://pokepast.es/f501e61694a465c8
just taking a quick look at the team and I'd probably just scrap half or more of that team (beast boost chomp, soul-heart moth, scrappy endeavor and scarf refridg boomburst seems eh) and just say to look at the samples
grim scarab
Link for samples?
grim scarab
Oh wait it was dazzling gleam
void flame
https://pokepast.es/31667c2dd4de8010 stall team for sketchmons I made. Don’t think it will be the OM of the month next month but team building for it is fun
sacred oriole
@vast apex do you play sketch?
vast apex
yes
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/31667c2dd4de8010 stall team for sketchmons I made. Don’t thi...
is this meant to be a stall team?
vast apex
nah, I just wanted to know what you were going for
hmm it's hard to make any judgement since there's not really any meta atm but just based off what you have
void flame
Court change on Tox could prob be changed, I just wanted more hazard control than Corv
Corv set could def change though, I put knock off on it to punish gholdengos switching in
vast apex
hmm I'm potentially worried about covert cloak for your team since you only have one real way to remove items and that's with knock on corv
an idea would be put great tusk > mudsdale with something like shore up, knock, rapid spin, EQ
it adds a second layer of removal on hazards + items that'll help out garg
void flame
I mostly had mudsdale on there because it’s my favorite mon
I was happy I could give it recovery
vast apex
that frees up the move on toxapex, and flip turn is a safe option on there for that
void flame
That makes sense
vast apex
I can see cloak being one of the best items in the game since there are a ton of crazy moves with annoying secondary effects, and you can slap salt cure on just about anything
tusk might be necessary
I'd maybe slap on cloak on some of your mons as well, namely toxapex
I'd also try to figure out a way to put hazards on the field for this particular style of team
void flame
I will say the only thing covert cloak stops on my team is Garg and chilling water on pex
vast apex
spikes or ceasless > cosmic power on skeledirge
vast apex
I will say the only thing covert cloak stops on my team is Garg and chilling wat...
well yes on your team, but in sketchmons, you can put just about any move
that could include triple arrows, thunderous kick, dire claw, salt cure, infernal parade and so on
and the common theme is that they have insane secondary effects
void flame
Yeah covert is def strong tho
vast apex
covert cloak is likely gonna be a top item that people will run
but back to my point, I think you'll need hazards
spikes > cosmic power on skeledrige is an option
void flame
I could run Clos and go the stealth rock slash
vast apex
or you can do ceaseless in event of magic bounce
void flame
Clod*
vast apex
clodsire over what
vast apex
that could work as long as you have some form of unaware on the team
void flame
I think skele is better the more I think about it
Will-o is useful, torch song can give offensive presence, and like I said the typing seems better for the team
vast apex
something like this was what I was thinking
I'd love to fit stealth rock somewhere but not entirely sure since the only free slot would be stealth rock > protect on gargancl
I'd also adjust the tera types
void flame
Blissey can’t have aromatherapy and Tele.
vast apex
put heal bell then
void flame
I chose aromatherapy over Tele to help with status
vast apex
it gets that legally
void flame
Heal bell doesn’t work for some reason
feral schooner
Blissey doesn’t get heal bell because there are no heal bell mons in the game
feral schooner
And the only way blissey gets it is egg move
vast apex
I chose aromatherapy over Tele to help with status
run aroma then
vast apex
Blissey doesn’t get heal bell because there are no heal bell mons in the game
inchresting
void flame
Yeah it’s really weird but sense glastrier riding form gets it I can use aroma instead
vast apex
ooh I just noticed the ev's. I think you could make skeledirge phys def and then corv spdef potentially
void flame
Ok
vast apex
other than that, the team looks fine and will just need testing whenever sketchmons becomes challengeable or gets a ladder
void flame
Like this? https://pokepast.es/af02ecb639d6dc7c
vast apex
I have no idea what tera types would be good
something like this except adjust the EV's
void flame
What are the EVs on the great tusk for?
vast apex
is heal bell dexited?
sacred oriole
No, but there is no legal way to learn it
vast apex
hmm
sacred oriole
So you would to sketch both heal Bell and teleport
vast apex
I wonder if you can use it in sketchmons then
void flame
Calyrex-ice gets aroma and if we can get dire claw then it should work
sacred oriole
Yes heal bell is legal in sketch as a sketch move
sacred oriole
Calyrex-ice gets aroma and if we can get dire claw then it should work
Aroma is not in the game, period
Nothing gets it
vast apex
okay, then heal bell > aroma
void flame
That’s odd
I find it funny that blissey learns heal bell through itself as a sketch move
I’m pretty sure that’s the only time that has happened
slim monolith
only time home will help bss
sweet spruce
@wild junco here
sweet spruce
one recommendation
at the bottom of the page is a button that says "upload to pokepaste"
wild junco
What
wild junco
It’s on pc so I can’t
sweet spruce
you don't have discord on ur pc?
wild junco
Bh?
sweet spruce
balanced hackmons
sacred oriole
Huge Power is banned
wild junco
What
sacred oriole
and this team is not very good for BH, no
wild junco
What should I change for it
sweet spruce
is caly-s banned btw?
wild junco
This was my nat dex ag team
sacred oriole
yes
sweet spruce
makes sense
sacred oriole
a NatDex AG team will not be good in BH
wild junco
I changed its move set and I don’t know about ability’s
I just wish I had some book of moves abilities and items
Of Pokémon
Is there any
sweet spruce
that's where the smogon dex comes in
sacred oriole
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/bh/ there are analyses of viable BH mons here
and what they do
wild junco
Should no return be banned
sacred oriole
@surreal portal someone asking BH questions
wild junco
Who is that
surreal portal
No Retreat has no reason to be banned
wild junco
I know you we chatted yesterday
surreal portal
yeah the team above has sort of similar issues, the mons are better but the sets are largely nonsensical
wild junco
surreal portal
there's also not really any defensive or anti-setup mons here
wild junco
What should I do I want a hyper offensive team with great defence too
surreal portal
those are mutually exclusive
sacred oriole
hyper offensive team with great defense
surreal portal
you can't have a defensive HO
wild junco
O
surreal portal
by definition HO lacks defense
wild junco
Like balance
Yeah
For offensive I will put spectrum zacian and volcanian
What should I use for defence
sweet spruce
mikey you may as well start with a sample
sweet spruce
bh is a weird tier
surreal portal
well to be honest as a new BH player you're really going to struggle without samples
wild junco
I have the oh carcoal sample team
surreal portal
or at least drawing pretty heavy inspiration from them
surreal portal
NDAG and BH have nothing to do with each other btw
wild junco
I just didn’t find something similar to nat dex ag
So someone told me to try bh for all power use
sweet spruce
there's still natdex ubers
wild junco
Because that was my goal for nat dex ag
Not good no shadow spec
He was my strongest member
sweet spruce
is spectrier not legal in nd ubers?
wild junco
I don’t think so
valid vapor
There is the button “upload to pokepaste” at the bottom of the team
wild junco
sweet spruce
well yeah you can't use calyrex-shadow in either nd ubers or bh
wild junco
But not others I think
sweet spruce
caly-s is only available in national dex ag tiers
valid vapor
What’s your point
sweet spruce
I'm pretty sure mikey is pretty intent on abusing broken caly-s and thought bh was where to go
wild junco
What no
valid vapor
ok so
wild junco
Teach me
valid vapor
Every set has serious problems
wild junco
?
valid vapor
What tea said
valid vapor
Then use samples or at least sample sets
valid vapor
They have nothing to do with eachother
valid vapor
Which is why you use the samples to learn the tier
wild junco
Can’t my team be fixed
valid vapor
To start huge power is banned
And use pokepaste
Not sure why you’d use zacian when zacian-c is legal
vast apex
err I’m not gonna suggest too many changes, mainly on the stuff that’s already there. specs spectrier is pretty good but the moves you have on it make little to no sense at all. download can be replaced for beads of ruin since download provides a conditional boost while beads will always happen. the rest of the attacks can be replaced besides astral barrage. you can do volt switch as a pivot, possibly trick to cripple walls, knock to remove AV, or coverage moves like armor cannon, fleur cannon, earth power, etc. though I’d stick strictly to special attacks
vast apex
huge power is banned and there’s no reason to run zacian-hero over zacian crowned. it has better typing and stats. vcreate > pyro ball is much better. if you wanna use no retreat, you could add shed tail and make it simple ability. I don’t think ceaseless edge belongs here if you try to do no retreat. behemoth blade is fine but gigaton hammer is also an option. others could be magical torque or headlong rush. healing move like strength sap could also work
I’d just go fur coat on kyogre if you wanna be defensive rather than dauntless shield. some recovery move would be nice, but 4A defensive is a bit strange. you could do scald/healing move and some utility moves like removal (mortal spin)paralysis(nuzzle/glare) or a pivot like flip turn or uturn. ceaseless edge also works here
the same can be said about groudon. you could replace earth eater with something like ice scales or a better defensive ability and the move slot critique applied here
vast apex
if you wanna stack flying atks for rayquaza, aerilate is better. boomburst, espeed, rapid spin are good options. headlong rush or vcreate are good coverage options. you can also slap on a recovery move for the last slot as well
vast apex
the volcanion, you can probably do earth eater here instead of running a balloon. compound eyes doesn’t really help you
wild junco
Not sure why you’d use zacian when zacian-c is legal
It’s not legal
echo lodge
It is in BH
vast apex
zac-c doesn’t need rusted sword in BH
vast apex
Will you teach me
idk about teaching you but if you need help with teams in the future, you can share them here again and someone will help you out
vast apex
Not ask all the time
that's how you learn lol
wild junco
Look at this is it good
sacred oriole
Please use pokepaste
vast apex
Just tell me it the team good to use now
there’s no team to look at
wild junco
Ok
tidal kernel
@tawdry geode
i've been struggling with keeping my atespeed counters alive
and kinda been losing to some niche stuff
vast apex
and kinda been losing to some niche stuff
uhh define niche stuff
tidal kernel
mixed pinsir toxtricity
dinacite mimikyu cleaned up a weaked team
just like random stuff thats not really common and got the jump on me
vast apex
well those things you kinda just have to deal with honestly
idt you can realisticlly expect things like that
tidal kernel
alright
vast apex
just like random stuff thats not really common and got the jump on me
well that's entirely the point and b/c of that idt there's much you can really do
tidal kernel
does the team at least look good?
vast apex
well clastia isn't on so I'll take a look at it
I'd go morning sun > discharge on iron moth. it gives it way more longevity and I don't think discharge hits anything that your dual stabs don't beside slowbro. I think the passive recovery is better and it can allow you to switch into pixie speed at times since you 4x resist
I think the defensive core might need an entire rework tbh
tidal kernel
yeah i'm not really good when it comes to defensive mons
vast apex
if you want a defensive ground, great tusk works and so does hippowdon
though hippowdon takes sablenite from your corv
tidal kernel
corv is using venu rn
vast apex
hmm so 2 ideas
you could do 1 stealth rocker and then stack 5 offensive mons
put scream tail or clodsire with a mold breaker stone and then have them set up stealth rocks
you can put gholdengo no there to block spins
since the team is a bit slow, you can do diancite gholdengo here instead of valiant
the last 2 mons are up to you. you can do lucarionite pult for mixed attacking potential or stack extreme speeds
great tusk is also a great option here too with pinsirite
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/4f6e3155c3852677
if you want a defensive core, you could try manec slowbro, spdef sablenite corv, and then something like gyaradosite clodsire or latiasite clodsire
it's a bit hard since two important members of your team are fairly slow
grim carbon
https://pokepast.es/54a9695ff41ad4fd
throwing in a walking wake team slapped together in seconds with Nat, team's a bit weak to Bax and doesn't really have good defensive switchins barring Tusk
wild junco
Is this team good
wild junco
why is huge power not bsnned
banned
@late laurel why is huge power not banned
@late laurelwhy
late laurel
idk but don't ping people like that
surreal portal
bc huge power is broken on viable sets (it is banned)
dusky abyss
b/c ur role is above online 😵💫
wild junco
to Zoroark-what moveset should i give Hisui in bh
surreal portal
mon is not viable
wild junco
what moveset should i give to Zoroark-Hisui in bh
surreal portal
the mon is bad, it does not have good sets
surreal portal
idk why you have work up, protect, and recover on choice item users, none of the other sets are really good
isword/dshield are bad, you still have kebia on a mon where kebia activating is not possible (plus no recovery)
surreal portal
these pokemon need natures, better items, and actual movesets
everything defensive needs recover, majority of offensive mons need sap (but not on choice item users), lefties/balloon do little for offensive mons, also need better move choices
surreal portal
well don't use no retreat for one, it just isn't good
surreal portal
spectrier best runs choice specs, zacian can run a lot of sets but mold breaker SD is one of the better setup ones
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons-resources-thread.3712766/ this has basically everything you should need, viability rankings and setpedia
sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/54a9695ff41ad4fd
throwing in a walking wake team slapped t...
Why moldy on Wake? I feel like adapt is better generally, unless you’re getting trolled by water absorb
I don’t like how slow this team is for an offensive team
You do have three forms of priority so that helps, but you’ll have a hard time forcing out fast mons at any point they aren’t weak to your priority; I’d love to see a scarfer or like Talonflame on here
grim carbon
Why moldy on Wake? I feel like adapt is better generally, unless you’re getting ...
yeah I didn't wanna get clowned by double absorb cores with specs, and I forgot desoland isn't ignore
i wanted to also fit scarf ghold but didn't know what to drop
lean lagoon
Gen6purehackmons
Improvements?
https://pokepast.es/965010a1abe637db
green shoal
How’s walking wake doing in aaa
sacred oriole
How’s walking wake doing in aaa
This is for rating teams, ask in #comp-general
grim carbon
I think hatt is the most likely replacement
isn't hatt kinda vital for opposing wakes
sacred oriole
@surreal portal
wild junco
help
surreal portal
well it's a start but there's no imposter-proofing here and the spect/ogre sets are still bad
also no special wall or setup control
surreal portal
then you probably need a prankster pokemon that imposter-proofs as much as possible
wild junco
what should i change
surreal portal
and to drop the kyogre/groudon altogether
surreal portal
some offensive mon
surreal portal
victini isn't in the game and volc/korai aren't good
surreal portal
bax is also not good
wild junco
what about enternatus
surreal portal
just look at the VR on the thread i sent earlier
etern can work but you already have miraidon so its effect will be limited
surreal portal
spect still needs to go + groudon probably does + still no special wall or setup control
wild junco
i used you sv thing
surreal portal
and? the setpedia is just that, a list of sets - it does nothing about mon synergy, it's not supposed to
wild junco
and? the setpedia is just that, a list of sets - it does nothing about mon syner...
Synergy?
valid vapor
Why is the gira orb
void flame
What are the mega swamperts EVs and nature for?
vast apex
Synergy?
how well the team works together. in the context of your HO team, your respective mons don't exactly do a good job of breaking defensive cores to allow other members to do their job if that makes sense
sacred oriole
Are these good now or some changes
For the last time, use pokepaste
sacred oriole
Then build the team on your phone and access pokepaste from there
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/880e6f736d1aead0
why do you have both coil and bulk up
why not just coil or even victory dance
wild junco
surreal portal
cloyster is questionable (both because it's a fur coat and has no recovery, and because it's victory dance + heart swap) but otherwise this looks good
legit team if you just swap cloy for a prank mon
nothing here has natures though
modest arc, calm chansey, timid or modest mirai (all 3 should have 0 attack EVs and IVs), rash ray, jolly/adamant zac-c
chansey should also have a different tera type, like fire or ghost
slim monolith
possibly also make ur prankster mon also have hazards, rn u have no effective way to make consistent progress vs fatter teams past "funny dog and lizard click funny 50/50 buttons" and even that has its limits
either that or give chansey stone axe or something (cant be bounced if its via a move/ability effect + covert cloak doesnt block hazard setting move effects)
u should be able to force hazard trades with chansey from time to time but there will be cases where said thing is either impossible or just simply unlikely so ull have to be aware of that too
wild junco
nothing here has natures though
Coly is a setter
wild junco
To improve the states
vast apex
Coly is a setter
tea means natures like jolly nature, adamant, modest, etc. you don't have those, which makes a fairly huge difference as far as letting you outspeed certain things or dealing more damage. you can make zacian jolly, miraidon timid, raquaza rash, chansey bold, arceus modest
vast apex
Coly is a setter
there are better setters that you can use instead of cloyster. if you really want to use baton pass in that slot, giratina is probably a better option here with prankter since it's far bulkier than cloyster with much higher HP, meaning you pass bulkier substitutes
tawdry tartan
Can you tell me "anti stall" pokemons for aaa?
lean lagoon
Gen6purehackmons
Improvements?
https://pokepast.es/fe0347d5fe863d42
analog lichen
https://pokepast.es/ab911cc8cd47d1ad @echo lodge @sacred oriole @coarse walrus
echo lodge
Orichalcum Pulse is banned
Also even if you switch to Drought, generally we don't really recommend weather teams since permaweather (Desolate Land, Primordial Sea) is so common
analog lichen
Also even if you switch to Drought, generally we don't really recommend weather ...
Mhh fair point, do you have a suggestion for a team centered around both permaweathers?
echo lodge
Uhhh I'm not available to discuss right now, but that would be better addressed in #comp-general or #comp-general-2
This channel is exclusively for completed teams
analog lichen
@echo lodge https://pokepast.es/136684ee478d3574 I made this new one
Fur Coat is meant to be Fluffy on Corvi*
surreal portal
this seems decent but i don't really see what good as gold blissey is doing here and i would probably give gengar nplot, also there's not really any gholdengo switch and blissey tends to get pivoted on by almost all the relevant special attackers
analog lichen
this seems decent but i don't really see what good as gold blissey is doing here...
What special wall would you replace blis with?
surreal portal
blissey can still potentially work if you just give it full spdef and a more relevant ability, otherwise you haven't used regenerator so regenvest is a pretty free last option (stuff like roaring moon for example)
analog lichen
I try that out, thanks!
tawdry tartan
Can you tell me "anti stall" pokemons for aaa?
It's for a tournament,because there is a guy who is very good and has an almost perfect stall
white wing
can anybody rate my gen 7 mix and mega team?https://pokepast.es/b00c7f40b33eca92
slim monolith
biggest thing in mnm: dont run base megas (mkang is an exception but even that is mid
the format allows you to use any mega stone on any pokemon, so make use of this
this does include red and blue orbs too, but primal groudon is unironically the best red orb abuser and (imo) kyogre ties for best blue orb user with golisopod
for now look at samples, which u can find here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/mix-and-mega.3587740/#post-7099555
youll also find the vr useful, link here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/mix-and-mega-resources.3591580/#post-7168836
if u need further help then ping me in #comp-general or #comp-general-2, ill also get some g7mnm friends in here to help out more since rn ladder doesnt know how the tier works lol
white wing
biggest thing in mnm: **dont run base megas** (mkang is an exception but even th...
actually, I would prefer use base mega, is that okay?
vast apex
Is this good
regular giratina is better. you want bulk and not the offensive stats. close combat is also pointless on this set. put a recovery move instead so you can heal up and keep subbing
wild junco
Ok
slender canyon
I know the team isn't finished but who could go in as last spot I did want hands but I didn't realise I was banned haha https://pokepast.es/6a525edb4b180136
paper moat
I know the team isn't finished but who could go in as last spot I did want hands...
rn i would use baxcalibur as my loaded dice ddance sweeper over thorns, one of the moths should have desoland, and a good as gold user to prevent corviknight's defog
maybe on the scream tail as it is quite fast already
slender canyon
Oh okay cool thanks dude what would the bax build look like btw
slender canyon
rn i would use baxcalibur as my loaded dice ddance sweeper over thorns, one of t...
Someone did recommend this too
Maushold @ Wide Lens
Ability: Stench
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Tidy Up
- Population Bomb
- Encore
- U-turn
paper moat
Someone did recommend this too
Maushold @ Wide Lens
Ability: Stench
Tera Ty...
it isnt a good mon
for a detailed explanation
lemme find the post
slender canyon
Okay dude sweet I'm completely new to the aaa meta so this is all new to me haha
slender canyon
To be honest dude I just pulled this off of that post I'm just gonna get used to the meta with this team then go back to the other once I'm up to date haha
safe cave
https://pokepast.es/7c78a2aa0d0695ff
@sacred oriole is this ok
sacred oriole
Generally fine, a few changes I would suggest
Team is slow and weak to Bax
Something like Delta Corv + Scarf Gholdengo could help with that
WBB is very common, especially on Corv, so Moth should have Discharge > Toxic spikes
I would slap AV on Tusk to shore up Sandy Shocks
But yeah, generally looks like a good “good stuff” team
safe cave
alr thx 👍
echo lodge
https://pokepast.es/7c78a2aa0d0695ff
<@859992546628337674> is this ok
Somewhat late but I would give Iron Moth 72 Speed EVs to outspeed Adamant Bax/Tusk
Just to give you more potential counterplay to it
I'd also change the Corv item to Leftovers; it's much more reliable against just about everything Corv switches into + you don't wan to be stuck with only 8 Recover PP as your recovery
I'd put the 4 atk evs on tusk into speed just to have the edge on ppl running minspeed tusk as well
This is ofc all in addition to what UT suggested
safe cave
ty for help
surreal portal
prankster
surreal portal
that is encore
prankster + encore means gyara goes first and locks you into the last move you used
surreal portal
did you not read any of the comments i made last time
about victorydance + sub + baton pass being not good
and should be removed
wild junco
ok
late laurel
https://pokepast.es/9c762cae7bb559c0 Tera donation, wanna build sun
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/9c762cae7bb559c0 Tera donation, wanna build sun
this channel is for completed teams. you could try going into comp2 for help with the rest or in the OM room in showdown. once you have a complete team, the raters here can take a look at it
slim monolith
just quickly saying that i will cover mnm teams using the new stones, just be aware that everything is set to change and ill only be covering teams that are majorly competitive (building around 1-2 niche/bad mons is fine, thats it)
sacred oriole
Talonflame really should be Jolly
it has an amazing Speed tier rn
Mageneton and Toed are weird choices, ngl
if you want a RegenVest Spinner, would very much pick up Iron Treads over Toed
Ton could easily be Sandy Shocks
normal marlin
if you want a RegenVest Spinner, would very much pick up Iron Treads over Toed
Make sense
Thanks 👍
sacred oriole
anytime
echo lodge
https://pokepast.es/56d1c9e784b17a1c
You should give Dragonite moves that can actually hit Corviknight, such as Fire Punch and Body Slam
max spdef fluffy garganacl doesn't really fulfill any notable niche; you're better off either running good as gold to block Corviknight's defog or sand stream for more spdef
normal marlin
Thanks and Thanks
normal marlin
You should give Dragonite moves that can actually hit Corviknight, such as Fire ...
I might run Thunder punch for these lower Elo battles because of WBB though
grim carbon
https://pokepast.es/5e512b6ca62d8537
been thinking a bit about postban aaa meta and seeing stall be shockingly viable ish, as well as good as gold rise and realized how good a Slither+Chien Pao combo is, especially the latter with good as gold into stall matchups. This specific Pao set fakes Magic Guard just long enough while scouting out sets, while the Slither set loves eating up whatever Pao does bad into (Garg, Gambit and some more). Went with slightly bulkier Moth for some semblance of a special wall, and tempted to put tpsikes/spikes up on Gren as well since switcheroo is risky and I don't mind losing a pivot move since I tend to double switch a lot anyway
dusk pasture
https://pokepast.es/5e512b6ca62d8537
been thinking a bit about postban aaa meta...
just took a quick look at this basically just straight up loses to dnite
unless i'm missing something here
it can afford to DD/roost up on mbreaker corv and the rest of the team is fairly useless, with only a pseudo-check in shocks
grim carbon
just took a quick look at this basically just straight up loses to dnite
mmm yeah I had a similar team that I've posted here before that did a bit better bc of tusk, I'm considering replacing corv for treads w/ice spinner as well since i actually don't really like mold breaker corv (or corv in general in this meta)
alternatively hatt over gren
dusk pasture
the meta is unstable certainly so im not sure about that but
could probably afford to run it over shocks as well
i personally dislike and will always dislike scarf shock, even it has one less ground type to stuff it
grim carbon
true, but at that point might as well run volt absorb corv which defeats the purpose of corv anyway
i could also do sash pao for dnite but i figured in a potential hazard stack meta that's a terrible idea
dusk pasture
yeah probably not a good idea
main issue with hatterene over shocks is you lose part of your ability to spam pivot but i dont think that's too bad
gag chien-pao idk about but it could be worth trying i suppose?
grim carbon
yeah i'm not a pivot spammer in aaa at least, so i don't mind subbing that out, but I think gag pao has some solid ground with mglo slither that I really wanna try
dusk pasture
mglo slitherwing also has the options to run wisp/morning sun/u-turn/bu as well
grim carbon
that is true, but i wanted to bluff band/tinted lens on an HO looking comp
dusk pasture
overall despite you disliking pivot spam, outside of your mu against stall which you've prepped for i think you kinda need to
your overall defensive core is very prone to being blown up by a variety of threats
with two hdb mons and a mglo abuser it makes me question if you really need a mbreaker defogger but i guess if you really hate gag
grim carbon
hmm yeah, I guess I could try to build more bulky offense but not been a fan of that with how certain mus could get you bad if you didn't predict well (at least for me)
I'll see what other thoughts are and if it's worth starting from scratch to build around that core with diff mons
dusk pasture
you can probably just try fitting a dnite check like hat or smth and then rolling from there but outside of stall you'd need to be careful, or at least i imagine
also if you're gonna run hat as a dnite check, run specs
252+ SpA Hatterene Draining Kiss vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 186-222 (57.5 - 68.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
grim carbon
https://pokepast.es/e606827d7aa78245
@echo lodge
swapped hatt in over gren
still not convinced by corv and might just run scrappy/ee treads
echo lodge
Dragonite matchup could be better
Does chien pao have to be gag?
Also, mycellium is prob better on corv
grim carbon
https://pokepast.es/5e512b6ca62d8537
been thinking a bit about postban aaa meta...
I think gag pao actually has a weird niche especially into stall, and works really with mglo slither
echo lodge
To what extent
Stall teams usually don't run defog
and if it's for the status matchup, mglo would be better (but I see slither wing has that)
grim carbon
oh it was more for status moves, like you can sit on burns and toxics and also tspikes stack without being forced to run a poison (even tho I am)
echo lodge
In that case I'd even rec purifying salt over this
grim carbon
any particular reason to use purifying salt over gag in aaa other than ghost resist
echo lodge
Hmm
grim carbon
it just checks stray defogs too
grim carbon
also that, didn't want to run quav
echo lodge
What's protect for?
echo lodge
The issue is just that if dragonite gets a DD on corv (which is almost definitely will)
You kind of just lose
nothing on this team eats a +1 espeed
grim carbon
yeah, hence the hatt swap and considering treads over corv bc i just despise corv
echo lodge
So I'm inclined to say you should run qm pao with ice shard instead
Or just accept the matchup and roll with it
grim carbon
no treads then?
echo lodge
Definitely not
That would lose even harder to Dragonite
Which is what yo ushould be trying to avoid
You also need Corviknight's typing against grounds
team isn't exactly sturdy against those
So, only change I would make is giving chien pao sucker punch or ice shard because pretty much all priority in the tier is telegraphed as is
or even sacred sword for kingambit
grim carbon
right yeah fair point, i could also just go back to scratch bc I genuinely think gag pao + mglo slither is a cool core with some potential
i'm still gonna implement the suggested changes tho bc i do need a team while i figure that out
tidal kernel
Mnm with the new stuff
Idt it's very good tho
I just kinda put stuff on it
(The evs are from the ev button don't judge me)
@slim monolith
slim monolith
skewda is better with lopunnite still imo, use quaquavel since it has uturn + fighting stab built in
use flash cannon over iron head on treads, then u hurt pinsrite tusk/treads more
unsure if i like double rusted here, esp offensively bc u then have 3 steels
tidal kernel
True
slim monolith
you also lack ways to beat both volcarona and slowbro reliably
surreal portal
https://pokepast.es/3d8dda5b4b5bfcfa first time building an mnm team
mostly offensive stuff here but pex feels like it either does everything or nothing and garg does actually nothing
@slim monolith
slim monolith
will look at both of these tomorrow morning
slim monolith
it is now "the morning"
surreal portal
why is 8:49 "the morning" in quote marks lol
slim monolith
https://pokepast.es/3d8dda5b4b5bfcfa first time building an mnm team
decent start but stones feel a little rough rn - you already have speed control in dnite (although make that bulkier e.g. 60spe rest hp) so diancite ghold isnt really needed - try latiasite max hp 241real speed rest defense bold.
pex has 0 attacks so definitely change that, id probably remove tspikes personally as that does v little rn and make it liqui instead as to not make u pathetically passive
aud garg is really mid so make it aggronite w/ eq > bpress for sword mons like bax while still being better on clod, dirge, and non-lati pex. this slot you can change if u want as to handle gholdengo a little easier than going pex every time, but imo its still best to keep garg here. sablenite is also an option but then pidgeotite hydro pult has a better time vs u
lastly w/ tusk if ur wanting to stay offensive then id run a spread of 200atk 160spe rest hp or spd depending on what u prefer (recommend latter), but that lets u outspeed every meta threat at +1 while naturally outspeeding sword bax and ohkoing standard palafin at +1 with headlong always and 240hp after rocks almost always (85-100.8)
slim monolith
why is 8:49 "the morning" in quote marks lol
idk lol
surreal portal
is there any special wall that does a better job than being mid
slim monolith
annoyingly rn its v limited
you can make pex mixed bulk if u want but make sure you can still handle +3 alt dnite eq
(+1 eq -> ±0)
just so that u arent always relying on ghold
ok turns out eq damage is higher than i thought just rely on ghold
ok so did some thinking and if u want to run pex w/ mixed bulk then run it with 248hp 104+def 156spd, that way it can switch into sword chien pao and haze before letting a teammate handle it better (e.g. tusk which just does at ±0)
slim monolith
garg can also tank a tera blast steel @ +1 which makes it 10x easier for pex but just be aware that if rocks are up youre likely to have to sac something the first time unless ur a mindgame god with pex
slim monolith
https://pokepast.es/437bb684c5a739fa
not a fan of rapid spin AND defog, not to mention that i just dont think offensive red treads is really that good right now. just got into college so ill look at the rest later but it needs some big changes to handle most of the meta
slim monolith
https://pokepast.es/71e787fbd5e194fd
its a noticeable improvement at least but still dont like corv here (if ur running corv make it spd and drop both tail and tusk and run red orb hippo and latiasite toxapex), then give pult uturn > fblast (hits 0 notable targets), quaq wave crash > aqua step so you force out aggronite garg + uturn > ice spinner to form a uturn core with pult, and eq > ispear on bax
tidal kernel
slim monolith
use that @tidal kernel
epower is better for hitting tusk, treads, and opposing hippo
ffang for gholdengo
ww less needed bc haze pex
hippo also handles pao on its own while pex handles it with rocks not up
your literal only fear is pult and thats because u have no alt dnite
sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/0e4fefc2046dc97d
@vast apex @flint plover @feral schooner
flint plover
https://pokepast.es/0e4fefc2046dc97d
petal blizzard instead of seed bomb in meow, you may want to replace knock off with play rough as knock doesnt remove equipped moves and doesnt get the power bonus either against them, for iron hands all your moves get their bp replaced with heavy slam's damage formula so you could run thunder punch instead of wild charge and i prefer ice punch over play rough
echoed voice doesnt work or at least didnt last time i tested so you could replace maushold, maybe with a defensive mon like nacl or corv as you need something to check dragonite in this team, if you want something more offensive there is kingambit
the forrestress set is kind of weird, you may be better with a glimmora@mortal spin to spraed tspikes and poison with all your moves, making it easier for pult to get the hex boost
prime bane
https://pokepast.es/3c246ae85b2a340d @flint plover
flint plover
seems fine but you can get 6-0 by opposite hex pult, maybe try nacl instead of hands or corv, see what works better for you
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/3c246ae85b2a340d <@407236939629068288>
hmm I'm also not a huge fan of the azu MU even if you have psy-terrain. I think glimmora could be swapped for garganacl to give your team a defensive backbone + deal with hex like kaen said. I think for the azu MU, you can make pult specs with tbolt > flame here if you remove glimmora since you'd be losing hazard support. there is the added problem of losing your removal here too which is a problem. another option could be a defensive core of garg + avalugg, but it is very slow and shares steel/fight weaks. as well as giving your hands speed evs that way it outruns bulky azu and corv so it doesn't ID on you and potentially 1v1. you could do 144 speed on hands and remove it from either HP or atk depending on whether you want more bulk or damage. also funny idea but you could do sub > shadow ball on arma potentially. it seems like arma could force a lot of switchouts which would open opportunities for you to get a free sub
vast apex
https://pokepast.es/0e4fefc2046dc97d
hex kinda doesn't do anything on this team currently (pult) since you don't have any reliable way to set up hazards. I'm not a fan of hazards on forretress, so an easy way to fix that would be tspikes on meowscarada. I'd put tspikes > knock off, and replace seed bomb with petal blizzard like kaen said. idk about superpower on azu. I think you could go tera normal with double edge if you wanna beat pex or put liquidation > superpower to pair with tera water. I think you can completely change the forretress set since I don't think it does anything for your team even if it has hazards. you're probably better off putting hazards on meow and then making forretress offensive support. giga drain + steel move + volt switch + rapid spin probably best suits your team. I'd also add speed onto iron hands to either outrun corv or other azu
for the maushold slot, I'd go with what kaen said
livid nebula
Fortemons
https://pokepast.es/2439290a46d3dbd4
sacred oriole
Does Tera Blast Dragonite do what I think it does
Get a drawback-free 130 BP physical flying move if it Teras?
And Flying Extreme Speed?
vast apex
Does Tera Blast Dragonite do what I think it does
yes, and it’s as strong as you think if you don’t run any flying resists. bc we have some insanely sturdy mons that wall it otherwise like garganacl or corv who run body press item and just ID in front of it
vast apex
Fortemons
https://pokepast.es/2439290a46d3dbd4
indeedee and torkoal seem incredibly out of place here. the TR + psyterrain here just ruins the rest of your team at the cost of trying to get torkoal to do something. I’d remove that and just add defensive pokemon here since you’re weak to the same offensive threats you have on your team. defensive garganacl with body press could replace torkoal. the last slot could be anything else really, but something that helps with special defense could work. spdef corv or pex are options. stacking more offense is also another option
blissful lotus
Thank you ponchlake and kaen
livid nebula
Does Tera Blast Dragonite do what I think it does
The set really is hard to play against you be looking into suspecting it surely when it catches on
blissful lotus
will salt cure as an item give every move salt cure
autumn ivy
only attacking moves
vast apex
The set really is hard to play against you be looking into suspecting it surely ...
it's too late in the month to be suspecting anything at this point. we are keeping an eye on it. although it is incredibly powerful, we're not sure its ban worthy given the plethora of walls it has. we're giving it time to see if this is a teambuilding problem (since people just refuse to run anything that remotely checks it) or if it is truly broken
analog lichen
umbral lavaBOT
New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
echo lodge
https://pokepast.es/dc3e1f54c3820a88 AAA
Triage doesn't boost Bitter Blade; Gamefreak didn't code it that way
If you want a reversal set, you can just use mg sash
analog lichen
Triage doesn't boost Bitter Blade; Gamefreak didn't code it that way
Mhh yeah ran into that, I mainly want a good triage mon, possibly with a secondary priority move
normal marlin
I’ve seen Triage Breloom, might be a good option idk
echo lodge
Mhh yeah ran into that, I mainly want a good triage mon, possibly with a seconda...
There aren't really any good triage mons w/ double priority, but an overall really good on eis triage Hatterene
analog lichen
There aren't really any good triage mons w/ double priority, but an overall real...
Do you think it fits on the team? And what do you think about the rest of the team in general?
echo lodge
I'd say it's a decent fit considering that the team doesn't really stop Dragonite from Dragon Dancing towards a win
analog lichen
I'd say it's a decent fit considering that the team doesn't really stop Dragonit...
Fair point, do you think sash is a nice item for it, or not really?
echo lodge
not really, it should always have lefties or LO
Hatterene @ Life Orb
Ability: Triage
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Draining Kiss
- Psyshock
- Mystical Fire
set
As for the rest of the time, I think it's okay
corv + roaring moon is a fine enough defensive core that you should be able to play around most things
The biggest threat is probably Kingambit
if it's well-baked body, it sets up on quite a bit
analog lichen
Yeah ran into that problem already lol
echo lodge
and sandy shocks gets smashed by +2 sucker
analog lichen
Kingambit I mean
echo lodge
Not a ton you can do without changing the rotom to something more specialized
analog lichen
mhh, or an alternative for rotom?
It's mainly there to deal with primordial sea mons, kinda like to have a bit of control over that
echo lodge
you could use something like dland tauros blaze if you want
I could see that working out
analog lichen
mhh that sounds interesting, I'll give that a shot, thanks!
echo lodge
Np :P
blissful lotus
will putting leaf storm on your item slot in fortemons make every move -2 special attack
imagine contrary if it works
void flame
Yeah, as rapid spin and aqua step give you a +1 to speed
livid nebula
AAA can you rate please
https://pokepast.es/4602fae5efdd7125
umbral lavaBOT
New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
echo lodge
This is just Blunder's team that he uses on streams
surreal portal
no removal (or honestly any defensive options past garg) is a red flag
sacred oriole
- Make sure that the team being posted is yours; do not ask for a rate for a team you did not build, including sample teams.
livid nebula
This is just Blunder's team that he uses on streams
That was an error on my part it was similar probably too much like blunders team
green shoal
https://pokepast.es/81650fbd2708a2fa incomplete by 1 i think im cooking sum up though
the hype is electric surge so we going grass
@echo lodge @coarse walrus
https://pokepast.es/a5854dea0623f8c2 got here with it
use of electric and grass surge
sacred oriole
Why grassy surge
Avalugg is really not good in the current meta
If anything it only fits on hard stall, which is not this
green shoal
to get rid of electric surge when needed
can immediately go to avalugg after blissey
sacred oriole
That’s very situational and I would recommend a more consistent ability for Blissey
Regen could be nice for it, or magic guard
green shoal
what would magic guard do exactly
sacred oriole
Make you immune to hazards / toxic
green shoal
regen i mean its only for tanking spa hits for me
ahhh
i think grass surge could be something if used right
but
im looking for advice
what should i get rid of for avalugg?
sacred oriole
Corv, Dondozo, Ting Lu all work as physdef guys
green shoal
you think fluffy would jus be better?
sacred oriole
or even intimidate, yeah
green shoal
alright thank you
green shoal
https://pokepast.es/cca22879592e2a0b aaa what we think
sacred oriole
in general, this channel is only for completed rates; incomplete team discussion goes in #comp-general
bulky Sand Rush Chien-Pao is kinda weird; just do max speed with a real offensive ability
instead of psychic surge blissey, why not surge on armrouge?
paper moat
https://pokepast.es/7535068dee37f790 hows this
ho isnt the same wo bax so now i have to do a diff approach
dusk pasture
https://pokepast.es/7535068dee37f790 hows this
looks alright, dont know what unaware scream tail is specifically for
I'd also spec into more bulk garchomp
given it's your sandy shocks/fire check
team seems a bit do nothing for me personally, could run something more offensive over scream tail
you could also potentially run regenvest chomp depending and get rid of moth or garg
dusk pasture
looks alright, dont know what unaware scream tail is specifically for
actually it's your only check to hariyama, but i swear there's probably something more you can get out of a slot and still having a hariyama check
paper moat
I'd also spec into more bulk garchomp
what evs would u rec
from what ive played the main progress makers are just spikes and gren as well as constant garg chip
dusk pasture
Max special bulk or mixed
sacred oriole
hey ut <@859992546628337674> can i get taken out of bh raters
Did
static cosmos
thanks!
surreal portal
https://pokepast.es/35fb3730517db0bb beads hydra pivotspam (AAA), dnite is currently cope but unless i run an unviable corv idrk what i can do about that
surreal portal
ok nvm hydra is terrible
sacred oriole
Moth needs Discharge imo, probably over solar beam
Corv + Sandy is pretty decent cope tbh; still have to be careful but it's okay
surreal portal
yeah i decided that hydra needing to predict to get at most 1/2 on bulky stuff wasn't OK so is there anything else that could work there
that isn't at risk of running into an immune ability and never doing anything
surreal portal
yeah there's nothing with a high special attack that isn't either immune abil fodder or a predict machine
which is unfortunate
sacred oriole
we do tend to ban the things that can click mindlessly
echo lodge
yeah i decided that hydra needing to predict to get at most 1/2 on bulky stuff w...
tinted lens specs gardevoir
much less of a prediction machine
and even has knock/hwish
another option is tinted lens specs florges
which has less power/speed, but is much better at baiting things in since ppl expect a defensive set
sterile mural
sacred oriole
@echo lodge friend for you
echo lodge
Okay
echo lodge
https://pokepast.es/bd45eb887fa1d154
- SFLO Gengar should never run Sludge Bomb; the fairies in the tier get destroyed by Shadow Ball, and Shadow Ball + Focus Blast is much better coverage
- Corviknight's nature should be changed to Sassy for minspeed pivots
- Chien-Pao should run Icicle Crash to avoid Fluffy/Flame Body Pokemon
- Hatterene's EV spread is very strange; it should have max HP and a modest a nature so it can properly set up
- Pretty much every ground type is already handled by Corviknight -> pivot into hatterene or Chien-Pao, so Garganacl is probably going to be much more useful with something like sand stream
sacred oriole
can I get an MnM rate for this? https://pokepast.es/6419f7d61a064542
slim monolith
Corviknight @ Leftovers
Level: 99
missing out on the 1hp gain huh lol
(quick note that this isnt serious and was a bot test)
sacred oriole
can I get an MnM rate for this? https://pokepast.es/6419f7d61a064542
echo lodge
-_-
sacred oriole
(We were testing the bot, sorry)
vast apex
I envy @echo lodge and his popularity (stares in GG)
sacred oriole
GG was actually more popular than even AAA in terms of late SS rates
I’m hopeful it can get back to that post-Home (or maybe just get close since AAA has gone to the moon)
Honestly I would take a look at the sample teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/almost-any-ability-several-bans-at-post-485-good-as-gold-ban-518.3710568/post-9390590
And VR (click on the mons to get analyses for them!): https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/almost-any-ability-resources.3710571/#post-9390607
You have some interesting ideas, but generally I think most of these sets will need to be reworked
At the minimum, Volc needs a way to dodge rocks
That can be Magic Guard + Life Orb, or Desolate Land + HDB
Chien-Pao should run Icicle Crash over Ice Spinner, that way you still beat Fluffy, Rocky Helmet, and can flinch hax stuff
I don’t like Dazzling + Focus Sash, I would consider boots or LO there
Corv 100% needs roost
Taunt probably
Delta Stream isn’t very common anymore, normally Fluffy, Intimidate, or WBB are more common
Why?
Your removal is pretty weak, you’ll lose the focus sash to hazards more often than not
Why? Many good teams don’t run taunt
Corviknight by itself isn’t reliable removal
It’s too easy to overwhelm
It’s fine, but not if you’re running multiple rock weak mons
Stealth rock is what I meant
And that is common
You also don’t have Regen anywhere, which is a very powerful ability to forgo
I would consider making Zone a Regen Ting-Lu or Roaring Moon
What’s up?
No thank you
What’s up
No thank you
normal marlin
I don’t think this is the channel to request battles anyhow
prime bane
GG was actually more popular than even AAA in terms of late SS rates
Thank me later :3
fresh marten
GG was actually more popular than even AAA in terms of late SS rates
what's gg
oh it's godly gidt
grim carbon
https://pokepast.es/2255ec5e15d0d4a7
back again with another funny team idea that I had with SFLO dnite and specs zoro in mind
garg and dnite are my big pains, can't believe we've reached a point again where i have to really take dnite into account again :c
echo lodge
make the zoro scarf qm
solved dnite
and run covert cloak quaquaval instead
solved garganacl
Wait, why is the kingambit av wbb
Leftovers is much better over the course of a game
grim carbon
i was considering regen but then wanted to see if wbb vest worked
spoiler: no
going lefties yeah
echo lodge
You also don't have a regen mon, so you can probably just run regen quaquval with a cloak or something for garg
or even just cb regen
Although I feel like with this team's structure, you kinda want your quaq to be able to roost
grim carbon
doesn't MGLO technically work better over running cloak
frees me to run roost on quav and defog over bpress on corv
oh wait what do i with talonflame then? do i drop it if i run mglo quav
echo lodge
You have a Talonflame, so you can't run mglo
and tflame actually seems good here, so Iw ouldn't drop it
If that's what you want though, you could drop tflame for hatterene or something
to help against dnite
grim carbon
nah kinda wanted to buy into UT's hype for it so i'll keep it
regen cloak on quav it is
topaz mango
anyone help me with team im tryna make for a tournament idk what to use ive been looking at lots of thingd https://pokepast.es/1e1f9f3f6f74c006 https://pokepast.es/8787617a7161d82a im considering triage breloom or hariyama any help?
@echo lodge
@coarse walrus
sacred oriole
technically we only rate one team at a time, but let's start with the first one
looks pretty decent, with a few changes
No Guard is kind of a waste on Cinderace; that should probably either be Desolate Land or Magic Guard (and if going Magic Guard, Life Orb and Flare Blitz)
loaded dice isn't very good on Greninja; I would make that scarf probably, or maybe specs
also Greninja should definitely have U-turn, probably over Shurkin, especially if you run scarf
idk what sub on Garg is for; that should probably be rocks or curse
Roaring Moon, I really like stone edge so you check Volcarona better
probably over Iron Head
but the overall team structure looks fine
topaz mango
prolly rocks u prolly right on greninja and i already have a proirty move and i mean volcaron is walled by garg ngl salt cure murders it
sacred oriole
Garc can lose pretty hard to Deso Grass move
topaz mango
im ngl its never happened salt cure always goes down i mean garg will lose 60% health at most but aslong as you safely get him in
ill change the first team around and show u ina sec
sacred oriole
Drought should be DesoLand on Ace
I would also think about U-turn or Swords Dance over Gunk Shot
Gunk Shot doesn't hit a lot rn
otherwise looks fine
sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/84f4294f9148f6fa
@echo lodge any thoughts?
topaz mango
https://pokepast.es/8787617a7161d82a about this too is iron leaves as good as they say?
sacred oriole
I personally don't find Iron Leaves to be very good, but don't have time for a full rate rn
topaz mango
hm alright thank u ut
Im also wondering
what are mons you find particularly strong on the right teams
I need sum special yk
just anything to test out
sacred oriole
I really like Bulk Up Talon
topaz mango
I thought it was alright but ill play with it more thanks for the advice
echo lodge
https://pokepast.es/84f4294f9148f6fa
Corviknight should be minspeed (relaxed, 0 ivs) level 99 with leftovers or helm (maybe even covert cloak) if you want it to be slow
It's a prime switchin to knock off, and this team doesn't exactly preserve Corviknight's item
Roaring Moon should have dragon tail so you can get rid of setup sweepers in a pinch
You don't really have any good iron head targets
Scream Tail either eats or is faster, hatterene has triage, and you're never killing Florges
Garg takes more from EQ
I'd use magic guard Cinderace on a team like this
topaz mango
I'd use magic guard Cinderace on a team like this
what set for cinderace
topaz mango
https://pokepast.es/32677fe4a130aad7 ya think of this @echo lodge
i like using the those 3 tanks maybe assault vest iron moth over roaring moon if i have something for water attacks
topaz mango
Corviknight should be minspeed (relaxed, 0 ivs) level 99 with leftovers or helm ...
also explain this exactly
is 99 really needed
you right about the ivs though
i mean
how much less defense is it
cause then i could make use of rocky helmet
echo lodge
Corviknight is your main switch in to meowscarada, donphan, and iron treads
All Pokemon that run knock
So if you want to be slower than other corvs, lvl 99 is more reliable bc that can't be removed
I don't have time to rate otherwise rn
normal marlin
https://pokepast.es/a08ff4be8501b1a0 Updated my team for the GaG ban. Iron hands is my best idea for a dnite check, but if there’s a better option that’d be great to know
sacred oriole
Talonflame needs to be Jolly
you're giving up too many important speed tiers by going Ada
Iron Hands is banned
Dragonite should be Adamant, but I really prefer Dragon Dance + Roost to Choice band in the current meta
normal marlin
I forgot hands was banned, thanks
normal marlin
Aside from your roost dnite preference, is this better? https://pokepast.es/d1a7ad44c9d26d36
sacred oriole
Air Balloon Sandy and Scarf Chien-Pao seem weird
I think you could get way more out of Scarf Sandy and Boots or Band Pao
normal marlin
Aight, thanks a ton
topaz mango
https://pokepast.es/62347912bc548358 Im making a team for a tournament any advice
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https://pokepast.es/62347912bc548358 Im making a team for a tournament any advic...
looks alright on the surface but there's a few things I'd address
you don't have a proper physical fire check on your team, which means stuff like ceruledge and cinderace can destroy your teams defensive core
sandstream garg doesn't work as one (or at least, reliably) given both cinderace and ceruledge often carry SE coverage for it and it's not max defense anywaya
substitute is also a weird move on garg, im not really sure what it accomplishes
hatterene (if you keep it) prefers mystical fire over giga drain to hit steel types
team also loses to tflame if you let it get a free +1
topaz mango
substitute is also a weird move on garg, im not really sure what it accomplishes
I fell asleep sorry for not responding but I do need changes my team is based off of corv garg and roaring moon which ur right cinderace destorys I but ive made work with it I need advice on what to use sub garg is good for switch outs yk that are gonna happen then can get a free salt cure on a mon they didnt want it on
If i use hatterene I want giga drain only because of talonflame since I have fire damage so idk if id keep
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I fell asleep sorry for not responding but I do need changes my team is based of...
sub garg sounds pretty redundant anyway given you can salt cure on the switch-in regardless and since you're so slow you'll most likely get the salt cure off
and use the moveslot for something like stealth rocks or curse (curse beats bu talonflame)
i dont see the value for giga drain except really niche situations still but whatever
in terms of your defensive core, you could try something like intimidate quav over one of your offensive mons
or change corv to intimidate and run primsea kilowattrel if you want a more offensively inclined mon
topaz mango
or change corv to intimidate and run primsea kilowattrel if you want a more offe...
how would u run kilo?
with roost?
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hdb roost vswitch weather ball hurricane
it can check the physical fires if healthy
or something like well baked body slitherwing
you'd need to run curse garg at this point though
ss garg + roaring moon also gets ultra blown up by the ghosts (and MGLO lucario) so it may or may not be worth using chople berry on your garganacl
but you can just rely on offensive pressure if you don't want to
eq/bpress on garg actually might be best as it can live one hit from MGLO lucario and OHKO back
topaz mango
i didnt even know it could learn eq lol
i used to run curse body press
sub and protect is fun
but
https://pokepast.es/516fa503a3c4a893 this what i got rn
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dont run specs roost
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heavy duty boots
also, if you are doing this, i'd recommend using intimidate corv over fluffy
as otherwise chien-pao can eat your team alive
well, it's not easy for it but
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possibly, although your defensive core is fairly solid enough
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with your defensive core you can pretty much cram whatever 2 offensive mons you want in last two
or, incline it towards being more fat
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there's no particular answer i can say as the best breaker
topaz mango
I need sum to make wonders
also
off topic asf
but have u seen jojolands new chapter
LOL
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yes, but that's not for here
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in terms of most potent, MGLO lucario, gengar/mixed zoro-h come up to mind
topaz mango
i want to use zoro baddd
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they are very frail though and dont have the best speed tiers
topaz mango
I wanted to use a hyper voice zoro
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other offensive mons that come to mind are specs greninja, specs hydreigon, SD mglo ace, lo modest sandy shocks
topaz mango
but I couldnt figure out how to make it good enough
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although they have more solid defensive checks you need to account for
topaz mango
whatchu about a no guard hydreigon?
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I wanted to use a hyper voice zoro
it doesn't really need hyper voice and prefers other moves
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nasty plot, sball, focus blast, body slam is what it usually runs
topaz mango
body slam crazy
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sheer force life orb boosted, 2HKO's blissey and clodsire
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bslam also hits other random regenvest mons on the switch like tatsurigi and garchomp
topaz mango
tatsugiri is my man in uu
as a last mon maybe cinderace
could be a set up mon
like a dd or sw mon
scream tail
is so annoying
as the last mon I want a direct counter for it
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zoraork-h can threaten it immensely can't it?
well if you really want a direct counter then something like iron moth/clodsire/iron treads can suffice
although fitting in clodsire/iron treads is meh, and iron moth can technically die to psychic coverage but
who the hell is running psychic moves on stail anyway
topaz mango
zoraork-h can threaten it immensely can't it?
u right ngl
Im using
a triage breloom
with poison jab
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that doesn't seem particularly great
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well, that's not unsurprising given it's a SE move
just matches up poorly into corv
topaz mango
yea u right
what do you think
I like triage as an ability
theres not a lot of mons who can have it though
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the only really viable triage users are hatterene and hariyama
topaz mango
yea
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but hariyama is essentially exclusively fit onto HO
hatterene could possibly work as a revenge killer/potential sweeper but the synergy is eh
otherwise a scarfer like meowscarada could work
topaz mango
I was thinking that
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although hatterene adds another dnite check which is nice
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although actually ss garg can check those sets hmm
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sandstream garg
well, as long as it's two attack dragonite anyway
scarf meow is fine
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works
topaz mango
u think
ah scarf
forgot
i was aboutta ask about item
alr thank you sm jolyne
for the advice
https://pokepast.es/9ece70ac485f10f8 youve helped a lottttt
topaz mango
Ive just realized you can use palafin with its zero to hero ability in aaa is it any good?
crimson verge
https://pokepast.es/b34acb75c86c23a2 @vast apex i literally built this in 1 minute for a gg roomtour last night at 12 pm
how good is it
ripe nexus
https://pokepast.es/3802ff713ea86bee
@surreal portal
vast apex
I'd swap gholdengo in the speed slot for a physical attacker here. I think something like breloom works since it can let you preserve your tera on miraidon.
vast apex
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you'd need to submit a full team before we can provide rates in this channel
surreal portal
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you don't have a physical wall, setup control, or entry hazard removal here