OM Rates

[echo lodge]

Consider dropping baneful bunker for surf or liquidation

Would also consider toxic over tspikes so you can actually catch things like dnite before having to switch

You don't have enough recovery pp to actually beat anything important if you have zero attacks

[grim carbon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9almostanyability-1782803623

just snagged a replay pre your suggestions isaiah

i switched to scarf ghold bc speed felt like an issue but ya I think stupidly passive pex was not it

t spikes did help a lot in this mu tho

[echo lodge]

This is a more subjective change, in theory you can make tspikes work too

Tspikes is always gonna be good against grounded offense bc it often doesn't carry good hazard control

[grim carbon]

few more replays:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9almostanyability-1782810945

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9almostanyability-1782845496 (this is semis for room tour, incredibly bad matchup bc every other mon is hard walled by something else in this, also stall is somehow viable with the current state of the tier??)

[echo lodge]

It's viable when you can easily predict what ppl will put on their HO teams, yes

Not so good against balance

[golden loom]

This aged well

[sacred oriole]

yeet

[grim carbon]

just heard about the bans guess i'll have to redo this entire team now

[echo lodge]

!!!

[coarse walrus]

Ok I forgot but this looks pretty solid

Main issue is the deo prob isn’t gonna do much

[golden loom]

Why is that

[coarse walrus]

Like gyara can hard in on it bcuz it doesn’t ohko it

Yo me it feels like the main thing it will do is spread spore but that isn’t that great

[golden loom]

+2 Secret Sword doesn't kill?

[coarse walrus]

I would also go only 56 speed on pdon for even Ho number

[coarse walrus]

+0 doesn’t

So you hard switch in and then sucker

I would also recommend Destiny Bond on Giratina as it is a relatively reliably way to stop some sweeps and punishes Gyarados killing you, which opens pdon up a lot

Also pdon should have dark good

Dark void

Cuz it’s better vs gira

And make it adamant

Where did you get those ray evs from btw

They look super wack

Also it doesn’t revenge a lot of the common molds rn

Cuz xern and pdon use king shield

Ray uses sub

And zek, ttar, dialga and diancie resist its attacks

So I would use diancie with steam eruption instead of it

Ok that was a lot so lmk if you have questions

[golden loom]

Gotcha

Ty

[golden loom]

https://pokepast.es/20a182ae4fd34fe5

I need to figure out what to do for what was originally Iron Valiant @echo lodge @sacred oriole

[sacred oriole]

Gengar is probably the most one-to-one replacement

SFLO puts out a similar amount of power

Cinderace could work as well, if people will CHILL ON WELL BAKED EVERYTHING

Noiv would be a good option for more of a disrupter breaker

[dusk pasture]

go to aaa in OM discord rn

solved wbb ghold vs ace...

also if you want a breaker sflo chi-yu can do things, being weak to rocks might hurt here though, maybe desoland boots could also work?

team also like dies to pivot + banded ace

but oh well

although there's not that much that lets it in for free, either opulse mons i suppose

[golden loom]

np?

[dusk pasture]

yeah nasty plot

can do big damage even without a boost though

[golden loom]

Chi-Yu @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Fire Blast
• Dark Pulse
• Psychic

Does this work

[grim carbon]

https://pokepast.es/3c48ce608118dbf0

updated version of yesterday : @coarse walrus @echo lodge @sacred oriole thoughts? went with Earth Eater over Triage to have one more ground spam switch-in

WBB Corv feels like a pain and I don't think I can win a stall mu still if I played another one today

[late laurel]

https://pokepast.es/1ea77d1410e556d7 @echo lodge

[echo lodge]

The double trouble

[late laurel]

tbh i think im overcompensating a bit too much for dnite/iron hands

but lmk what you think bc idk better

[surreal portal]

for the second team, i don't really think the team is offensive enough to benefit from screens corv a whole lot, on top of the removal being something reliant only on leftovers for healing

[echo lodge]

What does earth eater AV do on a team with spdef ting lu and a pex? Seems redundant
Stall sucks, I wouldn't stress too much about seeing it often

[late laurel]

o yeah it was a bit closer to HO before i tweaked it recently

[echo lodge]

Screens kinda sorta make sense here if the goal is more of a BO

[late laurel]

had sandy shocks instead of scream tail but it was walled way too easily

idk why i put in screen tail tbh

[echo lodge]

If that's the case though, I think you'll want mold breaker volcarona or something @late laurel

To minimize thr amount of matchups where you get stonewalled

[late laurel]

by wbb you mean

[echo lodge]

Yup

Scream Tail needs to go

[grim carbon]

I was thinking SD Triage but honestly, I just liked the ground immunity since I kinda depend a lot on Cinderace in practice for hazards

[echo lodge]

It Doesn't do anything with screens

[late laurel]

i was also thinking meowscarada

scarf uturn standard

[echo lodge]

Then run SD lefties so it doesn't just die to death

[echo lodge]

This could work as speed option, yeah

Could still make it Regen even

[grim carbon]

SD Earth Eater?

[echo lodge]

Yeah, why not

[late laurel]

i'll try it

[echo lodge]

If you're scared of opposing setup, you can make the scarf meow last move trick

[late laurel]

o

yeah that's p cool

https://pokepast.es/9d0248f9e4e6f38b

[echo lodge]

Btw you beat stall by giving your mons recovery

You have dnite + Gholdengo but somehow neither of them can recover at all

[late laurel]

is the volc moveset fine

[echo lodge]

Idk the proper spread, but it should at minimum be faster than like, chien pao after 1 QD perhaps

Screens will give you the remaining bulk

[late laurel]

cheinpao is 406 iirc

[echo lodge]

@late laurel corv needs to be absolute Minspeed and possibly lvl 99 for slowest uturn

[echo lodge]

405

[grim carbon]

drop Fire Punch on Dragonite for Roost? that's at least one less WBB switch in? yesterday's stall mu also just had a mon that was immune to every other thing I had for a check/counter so that didn't help

[surreal portal]

chienpao is 405 so you need 140 spe

to outspeed at +1

[late laurel]

yea i just did that math

Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Turboblaze
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 224 HP / 146 Def / 140 Spe
Bold Nature

• Fiery Dance
• U-turn
• Morning Sun
• Will-O-Wisp

[echo lodge]

What mon

We can metagame the matchup

[surreal portal]

wait if it's no QD why are we concerned about outspeeding chienpao again

[echo lodge]

It-

[late laurel]

o

yeah im dumb

[echo lodge]

It has to be qd Alex LOL

[late laurel]

yeah ig the sets on the site are outdated now

;w;

[grim carbon]

the entire team in general, just chock full of immunity switchins if you see the replay. it was mostly wbb corv tho that I had trouble breaking and I got the predict wrong with valiant which probably cost me the game in the long run

[late laurel]

Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Turboblaze
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 224 HP / 146 Def / 140 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Quiver Dance
• Fiery Dance
• Will-O-Wisp
• Morning Sun

idk should morning sun be giga drain

since i dont have desolate

[echo lodge]

Depends on what happens when you test

[late laurel]

ok that makes sense

[echo lodge]

Ah, I need to get ready for class so I'll watch it after I do that

[grim carbon]

np, ping me when you're back so i don't miss the reply

ty again

[late laurel]

thanks both @echo lodge @surreal portal

[echo lodge]

Okay, to be upfront

I've just realized that dnite switches in and never switches out vs your team @late laurel

Which is prob why you had dazzling, but mold breaker is too good here

So we'll probably need to do something with meow to help

[late laurel]

yea that's why i had dazzling

honestly idm using another primordial sea

kilowattrel is nice but

[echo lodge]

Another option is earth eater kingambit in meow slot

Sucker punch keeps it as a "fast" slot

[late laurel]

fine w/ that tbh

honestly this team is looking a little bit like

that team you used for the suspect

just a bit

[echo lodge]

It-

Hm LOL

It just might be

[late laurel]

kingambit, bax, tusk, with a screener, primordial sea and no florges

[sacred oriole]

@late laurel post final team so I can steal

[late laurel]

🙄

i havent even tested

[echo lodge]

Ohhh, that stall team

Seen it a few times

Yeah that mu is pretty much unwinnable for your team as-is

bc you're stacking a lot of things that are easy to beat with immunities (see: Cinderace)

But yeah on dnite I think you should prob try to fit roost or something, ending up with espeed + tpunch + roost + filler perhaps if you still want to hit corv

or even just espeed + tpunch + DD + roost

[grim carbon]

should I drop Cinderace then for something else like a Mold Breaker user? but then I also lose my only hazard control :/

[echo lodge]

You could try HJK on it

BUt running a set that can't dmg wbb corv at all is really not ideal

I also kinda sorta don't understand why it's dland 4a

Itm ight as well be opulse

[grim carbon]

yeah, I can beat WBB Gholds I think, but not being able to touch WBB Corv

i figured Desoland would be better for water immunity

[echo lodge]

pex deals with all of those guys now that bundle's banned

[grim carbon]

oh true, I guess I still had Bundle in mind while building

https://pokepast.es/1f657813b1a39d1b

this look better then?

[echo lodge]

I could see this working out

Maybe even recover > fblast on gholdengo if it isn't lasting long enough in tests

[limber oak]

https://pokepast.es/eab1eba68d1203de AAA Dnite is rough, but florges usually beats it

[umbral lava]

New OM RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo lodge]

I kind of doubt LO Ceruledge with only 1 form of hazard control

[limber oak]

better as boots?

[echo lodge]

I'd say so

Otherwise there isn't a ton I'd change straight away w/o some testing first

At some point you'll probably have to consider trying to fit Roost on Kilowattrel

[limber oak]

Sounds good, thanks

[grim carbon]

gotcha, ty again for help

[echo lodge]

Np :]

This will def get easier once the ladder is updated

Bc then you can just throw things at the wall to see what sticks

You can also ask me for test games! I have plenty of ideas to test too

[grim carbon]

sure, i'd love to test if you're on sometime after nd official or at some point tomorrow

[echo lodge]

Probz will be

[wintry dawn]

https://pokepast.es/965081c64bf93758 STABmons weird belly drum deck

[umbral lava]

New OM RMT @tawdry geode, @winter flare, @broken kestrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[golden loom]

But here's the drummer

[late laurel]

https://pokepast.es/fb640297bee574de @echo lodge

[echo lodge]

Ooh, looks cool aesthetically

[late laurel]

ok i need to

[echo lodge]

Unfortunately loses VERY hard to dnite

[late laurel]

preserve the cats

[echo lodge]

Like, immediately.

[late laurel]

i had hatterene for that .-.

other things i considered was chienpao dazzling

[echo lodge]

Issue is they can espeed + switch into fairy resist

Espeed does almost half to hatt

So it's not sustainable

[echo lodge]

I'd do that for sure

Can't avoid it

[late laurel]

okie

[echo lodge]

And would also do uhhh

Hm

SD over something then

Probably ice shard unless you're really scared of fast stuff

[late laurel]

prob yeah

[echo lodge]

You could even run psychic fangs over sacred sword if you want to SD on triage hands and do a lot of DMG :P

[late laurel]

oh yeah that's

also good

life orb ig?

[echo lodge]

I hate taking rocks so I'd rec hdb

[late laurel]

do you think there'd be too much overlap between and hat's roles bc that was originally my check for dnite and hands

[echo lodge]

I doubt it tbh, plenty of other broken stuff you want a fairy type for

if anything, could make hands an unaware scream tial or something

[late laurel]

hm i'll try hat first and then keep scream tail as an option

[echo lodge]

Sounds good

@late laurel There's also a world where you run something like this if you wanted:
Quaquaval @ Mystic Water
Ability: Primordial Sea
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Aqua Step
• Close Combat
• Swords Dance
• Roost

[late laurel]

that looks good yeah

the current set felt weird

thanks!

tbh do i need to be worried more about houndstone

maybe chien should run sucker over crunch

[tawdry geode]

team is pretty neat, i think theres only a few changes id suggest. first off skeledirge feels a bit off for the team since it slows your momentum a good bit. i think ceruledge would be a fine replacement, but if you want a physical wall that can keep the momentum for this team then toxapex is a fine pick since it covers similar attackers to skeledirge

for iron hands, i think double shock sets are a bit more of a gimmick than they’re worth since it nearly requires you to tera to be successful, id just go volt tackle or zing zap

possibly with flying tera for similar reasons to gholdengo

[echo lodge]

Crunch is really important for hitting random things like Skeledirge, would be hard to drop it
If anything, you might be able to run it over sacred sword if that's really a concern

[late laurel]

i have psychic fangs instead of sacred sword atm

[echo lodge]

Yeah, that

[broken condor]

https://pokepast.es/5414ce0dce651535 - almost any ability team, looking for last 2

I think a special wall would help but im not sure who to choose

@echo lodge

[coarse walrus]

Rmt is only for completed teams

It’s better to ask in #comp-general if you need help finishing a team

[broken condor]

my fault

ill return when i put 2 more in

[echo lodge]

Oh yeah rip, I didn't realize it was unfinished

[broken condor]

https://pokepast.es/0a36efcd63d09fea

[echo lodge]

You've got double regen, gotta change that

Team also lacks a real way to pressure Greninja, which means everyone kinda just folds

[broken condor]

oh right i did forget that single ability clause

[echo lodge]

Maybe make garchomp a dnite or something, just for the double priority

Then you can get away with no Greninja answer

[broken condor]

could i replace garchomp with a rocker?

[echo lodge]

You could try, but the bad matchup against fast attackers is a lot more pressing

If you want to die on the hill though, you ofc have options

A potentially nice one for this team is toxic debris tinglu

SR EQ whirlwind Spikes

As for the EV spread, max spdef is prob fine

Great Tusk seems too defensive for the type of team this is as well, I'd just run something more like this:
Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 124 Def / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Knock Off
• Rapid Spin
• Bulk Up

[broken condor]

hm

dnite is probably a better option then

aerilate hdb?

[echo lodge]

Yeah,
Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Aerilate
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Extreme Speed
• Thunder Punch
• Roost

Could be sharp beak if you want to risk rocks for more dmg

Can also drop roost for more coverage if desirable after testing

[broken condor]

tysm

[echo lodge]

Np

[coral urchin]

https://pokepast.es/34eba00f670d2a52

@echo lodge

[coarse walrus]

triage doesnt work with bitter blade btw

so i would suggesr. making the ceru orichalum pulse

[coral urchin]

it doesnt?

[coarse walrus]

nope

it doesnt have the flag in game which makes it work with triage

[coral urchin]

shoot thanks sm

[sacred oriole]

@echo lodge pinged for AAA https://pokepast.es/9cf18e4002d66feb

[sacred oriole]

updatd cause I wanted more helmets

[echo lodge]

Blissey without recovery is a complete no go, unnegotiable

Also, considering this team's weakness to special attackers, I'd actually consider something like Regen Blissey with seismic / twave / soft / srocks to simulate a blob offense style

Toxricity will probably give you a lot more results if it's Galvanize; the tier is very saturated with strong Ground-types

I recommend considering a Shift Gear set instead with Boomburst / Thunderbolt / Sludge Bomb / Shift Gear

[echo lodge]

Maybe lvl 99 corv to pivot on opposing ones

Not much else to note otherwise

[sacred oriole]

❤️

[surreal portal]

is there a triage hands answer i'm not seeing here

except just hope they drain punch into pao and you get sd -> flinch

[sacred oriole]

between double helmet, being reckless with Salt Cure Garg, and trolling with Chien-Pao

it usually works

[echo lodge]

It has psychic fangs

[surreal portal]

o

yeah that seems fine so long as they haven't seen the team

[quartz dirge]

https://pokepast.es/ae3144502e64f17f AAA, i can't really beat ting-lu after gren dies

[umbral lava]

New OM RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo lodge]

I went

[echo lodge]

Hmm, Dnite should be decent into ting-lu

But I suppose ruination is a pain there

I think this team is pretty fried against ting-lu in general bc your only ground checks are mons that can't actually do anything to it

Would consider potentially giving dragonite ice spinner instead of eq so you at least threaten it

There's also a possibility of making the iron moth offensive with energy ball over tspikes

and then discharge or tspikes over uturnn

[quartz dirge]

on what?

[echo lodge]

On Iron Moth

[quartz dirge]

https://pokepast.es/1174e816729d9fbe

[echo lodge]

Looks pretty good

[echo lodge]

Forgot to mention that I'd also consider protect + stealth on garg so you can scout + more effectively abuse sand storm damage

gives you the opportunity to put spikes on shocks instead

[surreal portal]

https://pokepast.es/4fc6f3fda4ad3d2c regen chomp aaa

[sacred oriole]

252 Atk Choice Band Barraskewda Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Roaring Moon in Heavy Rain: 199-234 (56.6 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This is your only Barra “switch in”; if they get it in twice, it claims something every time

I worry that your two best progress makers (Ace and Chomp) both have common immunities

Making Ace Deso Emo Ghost helps with both of those; checks Barra better and has better coverage for the common Fire immunities

I am not a huge fan of Scrappy Tusk, but that could be a me issue

[sacred oriole]

Otherwise looks solid, unless @echo lodge has more feedback

[surreal portal]

i could make cinder a bulky desland moth

since still not sure on cinder as a check; it just clicks crunch

[sacred oriole]

any time Barra doesn't click Liquidation, it's checked

[surreal portal]

that seems less than sustainable

[echo lodge]

All of UT's notes (this team gets rolled by primsea) + Regen Tusk switches in and never switches out

If it's bulk up

I think it could be work making corv intimidate or unaware , but the central issue is that you're only using physical attackers

Which means tusk loss is invitation

Bulky desoland volcarona + corv should be enough for tusk in theory

Since you can just turn into wisper

[mortal panther]

AAA
https://pokepast.es/d16b6f82905f6007
(I just started playing AAA so I'm not too familiar with the metagame but this team is tested and does fairly well on ladder).

[umbral lava]

New OM RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo lodge]

No wonder tbh, ting-lu + dozo + corv is a really sturdy defensive core

I'd only change a couple of things here

Filter Dondozo doesn't really do a whole lot; if you're worried about Flower Trick, Intimidate has better calcs and lets you pressure foes more repeatedly

I'd consider Wave Crash since you have rest anyway

[mortal panther]

So Intimidate > Filter and Wave Crash > Waterfall

[echo lodge]

Does Flamethrower on Iron Moth nab any specific calcs? If not, Fiery Dance could be worth using to get that repeated boost potential in a late-game clean

[echo lodge]

Precisely

[mortal panther]

I'm surprised I don't have to change anything too major. This is one of my first attempt at not using a sample lol

[echo lodge]

On Chien-Pao, I'd just run MGLO

[mortal panther]

I honestly forgot Fiery Dance existed

Oh ok

[echo lodge]

Very slightly less damage, but it lets you set up in front of those really passive toxapex sets

that only have toxic

also no fear of helm chip, that kinda thing

[echo lodge]

Yeah, it's already a decent team :P

[mortal panther]

https://pokepast.es/37d9feea9c5745b8

[echo lodge]

If you check out the current samples, you'll see some very similar cores

[mortal panther]

Oh, should I consider using Fluffy on dozo too?

[echo lodge]

It's worth considering, but considering the team you might like Intimidate better

[mortal panther]

I've literally only been using the webs team when it still had thorn

[echo lodge]

I'd test both and see what's more consistent in practice

[mortal panther]

I see thank you

[echo lodge]

Intimidate lets you pivot to your other mons when need be

Just so all of the burden isn't on dondozo

[mortal panther]

Right

[echo lodge]

Fluffy lets you properly wall things harder when you have to stay in longer

like maybe a DD bax or SD chien-pao

[mortal panther]

So I would use fluffy on curse sets?

[echo lodge]

But you've got body press, so you should be able to fry those guys

[echo lodge]

Yup

[mortal panther]

Ah makes sense

I appreciate the help

[echo lodge]

Np

In general btw

Filter is not a good ability

[mortal panther]

Oh?

[echo lodge]

Intimidate and Ruin abilities are pretty much always better

More specifically, Ruin abilities are literally filter

[mortal panther]

Oh right ruin abilities

[echo lodge]

but for every move in that category xD

So there's 0 reason to use Filter

[mortal panther]

That's valid yeah

I was thinking I was gonna be cheeky taking flower tricks like a champ

[echo lodge]

It gets rolled regardless

If you struggle w/ meowscarada, consider tablets of ruin

intim doesn't help against flower trick

[mortal panther]

I think corv should be enough but at the same time it's SpDef

[echo lodge]

Yeah, you have room to outplay

But nothing super reliable

Just one of those matchups

[mortal panther]

Mhm

[echo lodge]

Dark/Grass is a nuisance of a STAB combo in general

[mortal panther]

Also is cloak fine? I haven't seen it used at all but I thought it would be nice for certain matchups

(Corv)

[sacred oriole]

Free Zarude

[mortal panther]

Basically no flinches from crash pao, no salt cure

[sacred oriole]

I generally prefer Leftovers; you still don't beat Garg, and Chien-Pao is dicey either way

[echo lodge]

It's fine

Not ideal, but fine

[sacred oriole]

but realistically, it'll be knocked off by turn 10 so

anything is fine

[mortal panther]

Right Meow

[echo lodge]

Most of the time though

Your garg answers are gonna be your own garg and ting lu

Btw, might want throat chop on ting lu

for ground immune gholdengo

[mortal panther]

Over ruin I suppose

But yeah thanks for the help you two

[echo lodge]

yup

[mortal panther]

Are there any notable special attackers with water coverage?

[echo lodge]

Ruination seems really good in theory, but on a mon like ting-lu...

You'll find yourself burning it on regen mons more often than not

Which won't really go anywhere

Esp. vs tusk

[mortal panther]

Ah

[echo lodge]

So might as well have it to hit the things it'll actually make progress against

[mortal panther]

Reason I ask is cause dozo may not be able to handle them

Oh wait desolate land lol

[echo lodge]

You have dland moth

Which is scarf + no morning sun

but still an option

[mortal panther]

WBB Corviknight sits on me lol

[echo lodge]

How

You've got garg

if it's super bad you could drop sleep talk on dozo and give it curse

but between pivot spam and whirlwind, you should generally be fine

[mortal panther]

It just body presses Garg once it gets +2 def

[normal marlin]

So don’t let it get +2, should be doable

Not sure exactly how hard that is though

[mortal panther]

Well it switches into Iron Month's attack, once it gets that boost u lose

Or at least it picks off weakened ting

[crisp haven]

https://pokepast.es/a40ddeb3571913de

Convergence sun team

Would proto be better on scream tail?

[sacred oriole]

@flint plover you're on convergence council right?

[flint plover]

indeed

[sacred oriole]

this kind person is asking for advice on a convergence team

[flint plover]

I would give tera fire to hydreigon, not just for the sun boosted fire move but also the fairy and ice resist may come handy, scream is fine with magic bounce

replace slack off on cerul for sub or cc

and you could try to make arcanine more defensive, otherwise may switch to cinderace

[acoustic cradle]

AAA

https://pokepast.es/b6df79008b9b307f

tried to build around specs gren

[surreal portal]

this looks defensively sound but looks like it can struggle if either of your breakers run into difficulty breaking through

gren probably still has to get predicts against the average team and dnite is just garg momento

[echo lodge]

Pretty much as Tea said, it looks like it'll be difficult to get anywhere if you run into anything not immediately weak to gren and dnite

I'd honestly consider making moon the scarfer and running NP Gholdengo instead, to at least have setup potential that's harder to wall

[dusk pasture]

as an extra note this team gets taken for a bad time by opulse, chien pao and bax

might want to use defensive sandstream garg but even that's sketch with nothing really switching in after sun is gone

assuming they SD on a switch

chien pao and bax are just naturally terrifying with a fluffy mon so

[acoustic cradle]

ok thanks

might just use bug's moon spread posted just now

do i keep mglo gholdengo or replace it with wbb and if i do does sand stream garg still need to be here

[tight wave]

https://pokepast.es/9ca287edbe979bf2 my pure hackmon team (Gen 6)

[sacred oriole]

@surreal nacelle @coarse walrus friend for you

[surreal portal]

none of these sets are good at all

shed is ok but the rest are really not usable at all, and even on shed you have no priority to pick stuff off + wisp and toxic on the same mon is wasted slots

[tight wave]

@surreal portal Any recommendations?

[surreal portal]

well if i'm honest i would just completely remove every mon except shed, and give shed something like endeavor or pain split/tox/ice shard/filler

none of these other mons are ever doing anything

[acoustic cradle]

moldy gengar is a pretty good mon, but its special because of gengar's stats

try this
Gengar-Mega @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shell Smash
• Judgment
• Secret Sword
• Spore

[acoustic cradle]

https://pokepast.es/2b998b9c27987b55 updated, ace somehow has not been a massive problem since it either cant get through garg or dnite. might just be me not seeing any sd variants tho.

works ok? still gets swept by bax

might make gren tspikes to make the rv moon mu easier

[dull blade]

If Bax is a big issue body press corv can maybe be considered

However that does make dnite MU harder

Brave bird corv + arealite e speed should be enough to beat Bax

Just got to not let it freely set up

Which shoudnt be that hard

[echo lodge]

Give Greninja water shuriken over ice beam so you can offensively pressure Bax to make up for no switch in

Use Intimidate Corviknight instead to give you more ways to actually pressure the physical ice types

That's about the best you're gonna get

[coral urchin]

Whats the most physically defensive mon in AAA

[vast apex]

if you're asking pure physical bulk without consideration for any specific MUs, I'd say tusk or hippo based purely off of their HP/def stat

[coral urchin]

im working on the most oppresive sticky web team

I have banded dragons maw haxorus

[surreal portal]

hard webs generally isn't recommended, just because every webs setter is a liability and really struggles with the easy removal available

[sacred oriole]

this is better conversation for #comp-general btw

[surreal portal]

and banded hax generally won't be useful since it still gets out-prioritized and at most gets a trade (if you lock into outrage they just go to a fairy and click the kill button)

[golden loom]

https://pokepast.es/b3a4603caef01cc9

[sacred oriole]

@tawdry geode friend for you

[tawdry geode]

this looks familiar

i think corv isnt doing the team many favors, it lets a lot of mons in and increases your bad matchups to stuff like gholdengo skeledirge and pex a lot bc they just get in mostly for free if corv tries to do anything other than uturn. i think something like spikes garchomp could help the team apply more pressure to things, with fairy tera on rotom-wash to cover opposing garchomp

[cerulean basin]

yo @tidal knoll sv https://pokepast.es/6ad697b5cb753151 just felt that i wanted to build with chi yu and use it on ladder before it gets banned

[dusky abyss]

yo

wsg

[cerulean basin]

yoooo wsg wsg

[dusky abyss]

lemme look

idt u need valiant here

[cerulean basin]

lol idk about the last 2 slots i just slapped on quick guard for gale wings twind

[dusky abyss]

id swap it with ndd

[cerulean basin]

hands probs has a use for fake out? idk i dont play a lot

[cerulean basin]

whats a ndd

[dusky abyss]

indeedee

[cerulean basin]

ah

[dusky abyss]

id run

drain punch

over detect

[cerulean basin]

Indeedee-F @ Tanga Berry
Ability: Psychic Surge
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Psychic
• Follow Me
• Helping Hand
• Protect i only have a gen 8 set

[dusky abyss]

Indeedee-F (F) @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Psychic Surge
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Follow Me
• Helping Hand
• Trick Room
• Psychic

[cerulean basin]

tr? for hands?

[dusky abyss]

Tauros Fire and Annihilape are both good replacements for valiant too

[dusky abyss]

no

Tauros-Paldea-Blaze (M) @ Passho Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 88 HP / 212 Atk / 104 SpD / 104 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Close Combat
• Will-O-Wisp
• Protect

Annihilape @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 212 SpD / 44 Spe
Careful Nature

• Bulk Up
• Drain Punch
• Rage Fist
• Protect

sets if u wanna use them

i like either here

[cerulean basin]

https://pokepast.es/5ae3b97e053d3918 so this then?

[dusky abyss]

ye

[cerulean basin]

cool tyvm

[dusky abyss]

im not sure if i like av or booster more here tho

i think AV

max hp max atk

[cerulean basin]

ok ty

[gritty tinsel]

lets make this active

https://pokepast.es/193aeff4ba578493

@surreal portal

[surreal portal]

looks generally fine but double special walls means you're largely depending on a good zacian matchup to make any progress

esp given you have no hazards and one knock

[gritty tinsel]

ah

https://pokepast.es/699fafa3d30258a5

(gen 9 doubles ou)

@tidal knoll

[tidal knoll]

(this is the OM rates section)

(go to the doubles OU lot)

[gritty tinsel]

right

mb

[late laurel]

https://pokepast.es/b67d047907fa06ba chimera 1v1s >:)

[gritty tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/09ec2b917b1ba08a

@surreal portal

(another team

[surreal portal]

this team seems a bit mismatched; hoopa only really fits on HO-type builds, and not only is this not HO but there's also no other special wallbreaking support

[gritty tinsel]

ah

right

[gritty tinsel]

it gets a little tough for me to build

when no analysis

is provided

for the set

[surreal portal]

the set is niche at best and there needs to be people to actually write the analyses

[gritty tinsel]

ah

i also tried to make a teamw

with simple hoopa-u

but i had no analysis

[surreal portal]

generally the best way to ask if a set is relevant / useful, and what it works with, is asking in om discord or on PS

[gritty tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/9745edefba9fbbc3

@surreal portal my first HO team

pardon my mistakes

[surreal portal]

stuff on HO still needs to be improofed, and only zac is here

[gritty tinsel]

woah

that feels

tough

how do you improof, yet being HO

[surreal portal]

generally improofing is done with the prankster or with other offensive mons' immunities

however there's a lot fewer viable self-proofing options available and with the power necessary for HO to break walls, it's not really easy to maintain this

so HO really struggles atm

[gritty tinsel]

ah

[crisp haven]

@sacred oriole Could you rate this AAA Sticky Webs HO Team? https://pokepast.es/ccda70d29d967f05

Good as Gold Gholdengo is intentional I needed a Corvinknight buster and its a check to triage faries

[sacred oriole]

Why do you have a webs team with no Houndstone

I would slot that in over Lucario

[crisp haven]

i didnt think of it really

lucario is a cool mon

[sacred oriole]

Lucario lets Corv in, but ig you do have a good as good guy?

In which case, over Greninja

[crisp haven]

hound stone?

scarf hound?

[sacred oriole]

Yeah, preferably with Supreme Overlord

[crisp haven]

ig ill remove lucario and gren

[sacred oriole]

Then make Lucario like, Tough Claws or Fridge

[crisp haven]

i dont need em

i do need a new 6th slot

[sacred oriole]

Tusk is nice so you have your own removal

[crisp haven]

would you do regen

or something else

av

@sacred oriole new team https://pokepast.es/bbade899ee3f5e49

thx

[sacred oriole]

Body press on hound should be trick

I would go offensive tusk

Like tough claws band, maybe moldy

[paper moat]

would also do ldice bax, bulletproof ghold

[solemn citrus]

https://pokepast.es/f7726db69759581c
AAA rating?

[umbral lava]

New OM RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred oriole]

Hey couple things; first off, rain is not very reliable in AAA rn due to single ability clause and lots of other weather (OPulse, DLand, Sand Stream, etc)

If you’re committed to the rain team, we can work with it, but I would otherwise recommend making Kilo PSea and finding something g else to do with Chomp

[solemn citrus]

I see

[sacred oriole]

do you want to stick with Rain / the team mostly as is, or do a larger re-work?

if you want to stick with rain:

kilo should have Roost since it is your rain setter, and imo U-turn to pivot more reliably. probably drop Volt Switch and Weather Ball

Greninja is fine, but should have Hydro Pump for maximum power. either drop surf or ice beam (and if you drop Ice Beam, go Adaptability for the same amp without announcing your ability)

I don't love garchomp for the Swift Swimmer since it still struggles with a few common guys like Corviknight; maybe make it Choice Band Great Tusk? Or Nasty Plot Gholdengo could be the swift swimmer

you need a PSea mon somewhere on this team to switch into opposing DLand and win the weather war

[broken condor]

https://pokepast.es/997835182ffe40a1

what should i replace iron hands with? AAA

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred oriole]

This team feels a little disjointed

It feels like an HO team, that has Tusk and Scream Tail on it

Anyway, if you just want to replace hands, Dragon Dance Technician Bax

[broken condor]

it was working really well before the iron hands ban

[gritty tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/ce95fa4960445e7a

BH

@surreal portal my first team^

i didnt ask for help this time

haha

[surreal portal]

the only thing i'm not sure on here is the palkia, since dialga does not improof QD

otherwise looks decent

[gritty tinsel]

yeah, i might suffer from imposter problems

but if no imposter is present

i could sweep with a +1

[green shoal]

https://pokepast.es/7ea54c5ea428c61c beartic god strat

what we thinking

@coarse walrus @echo lodge

[dusk pasture]

give up and realise why the hell are you running a serene grace av beartic

team seems very flawed overall though

drizzle + swift swim houndstone isn't that great of a combo given rain is easy to cancel

with primsea/desoland commonly used on a variety of teams, even sandstream

[green shoal]

😦

the rest is what im tryna change ngl

i mean

u r right

[dusk pasture]

ok but seriously, what does it do

[green shoal]

its likke running hustle lmao

i mean

all you need for it to work

is a spidops

just some dumb stall mon

and spam trailblaze

but

ngl i need a good team

im taking any advice

[dusk pasture]

well i would just overall rework the team from scratch, personally

[green shoal]

i mean

garganacl is my main mon

i have on all teams

i start with him

[dusk pasture]

but if you want to keep something i'd get rid of beartic, houndstone

and probably the chi-yu and change the corv

and run primsea kilo

then run it from there

well, you can still run chi-yu but i dont really like it

eternally walled by bulky moon

which isn't a great thing to be walled by

[green shoal]

i only did chi-yu bc it fit the team and is strong asf

[dusk pasture]

i also dislike sandstream garg personally in a post-noivern meta but well you can still try i suppose

[green shoal]

acttttt

noivern got banned

today

[dusk pasture]

yeah, thus why i said post noivern

[green shoal]

ohhh

im so sad about it

i was using noivern

yesterday

lmao

but

u seem to know this tier well

[dusk pasture]

i can't go much deeper cause i need to go to sleep soon but

[green shoal]

what r some of ur fav mons

ah

[dusk pasture]

i would recommend after those changes

[green shoal]

one second

can u just name

some things to look at

[dusk pasture]

well

there's a VR you know

but tusk, gholdengo, regenvest moon are great defensive pieces, and ghold/tusk can do stuff offensively as well

in terms of broken offensive mons there's a very long list

[green shoal]

i like

a scarfed gholdengo

magic guard

[dusk pasture]

bax, gengar, all-out offensive ghold

and such

[green shoal]

i like

a normal supreme overlord kingambit

or

im thinking

black glasses + dark aurq

[paper moat]

wouldnt recommend that set

[surreal portal]

this isn't a worth trade

always improof

[gritty tinsel]

right

if i keep quiver dance,

what would you recommend i do?

[gritty tinsel]

yeah, gotta agree with you there

[surreal portal]

you would probably need to run a scales mon instead of AV

[gritty tinsel]

scales dialga?

[green shoal]

https://pokepast.es/3f9366b4b065f8a0 why not? just made work with this set

i want all the advice i can get

kingambit is kinda a sac thing

leftovers is heavily needed ngl

[paper moat]

this team loses abit to desoland moth

the gambit might work but im not too sure abt gambit sets

iirc most are adapt, regenvest and immunity

so u def want primsea on ur kilowattrel

[green shoal]

how does stab work?

1.5 to 2

ngl sounds better

adaptability and leftovers

u think anything else?

[surreal portal]

dark aura on gambit is just a direct downgrade from adapt btw

announces + doesn't boost steel

[surreal portal]

yes

[green shoal]

thank u tea guzzler

any other advice

tryna make it high on aaa ladder

[surreal portal]

well the team currently has 0 hazard removal so this absolutely needs a corv or tusk somewhere

[gritty tinsel]

tidy up don?

oh you were telling it to him

[surreal portal]

i would probably say kilo to psea, gambit to adapt, tbolt to recover on ghold, and change hat to some hazard removal

[gritty tinsel]

mb

wait, tea, you play AAA?

[surreal portal]

yes

[gritty tinsel]

(so uhh was my first team good?

[surreal portal]

the BH one? i gave advice above, you need to change the special wall to actually improof palkia but otherwise looks solid

[gritty tinsel]

oh, thanks a lot tea!

wait, though i lost the ice scales dialga set

could i steal it

[surreal portal]

also for the AAA team you don't really have a tusk switchin at all so physdef corv might be necessary

you can alternatively keep hat and change ting-lu to a remover, makes you weaker into moth / shocks but might be a worth sacrifice bc of how common tusk is

[green shoal]

im conflicted i want tusk cause i alr have a ground immunity but if i do that then i gotta get rid of ting lu

yea

hatt is pretty fire

[surreal portal]

Ability: Ice Scales  
Tera Type: Poison  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD  
Sassy Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe  
- Draco Meteor  
- Toxic  
- Parting Shot  
- Moonlight```

[gritty tinsel]

right, thanks a lot tea!

[surreal portal]

assuming you want to keep the general offensive structure, it'll probably be hat or gambit that needs to go

[gritty tinsel]

wait, what does adamant crystal do?

[green shoal]

https://pokepast.es/6df7ed4e112cd87b tadaaaaaa

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal portal]

+20% dragon and steel damage for dialga, can't be knocked

[green shoal]

i mean

i just need some ideas for a team ngl

[gritty tinsel]

it changes between dialga and origin formes right?

[green shoal]

im just tryna figure out the best

[surreal portal]

it does yeah

but on BH you can hack them on to a set without changing form

[gritty tinsel]

right gotcha!

thanks a lot!

[surreal portal]

probably thunder over roost on kilo (idk when you're actually able to get use out of it)

also tusk is missing 4 evs and a nature

[gritty tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/b26fa8db0b4e0ca4 renewed this one

i dont know if its any better

[surreal portal]

also also i'm not entirely sure how you don't get harassed by regen tusk long-term

[gritty tinsel]

i realised my mistakes there

[surreal portal]

the main thing here is that hoopa just doesn't fit on this type of team

[green shoal]

drain kiss

hatterene is a g

[surreal portal]

wrong reply lol

[gritty tinsel]

not even the unbound form?

true lmao

[surreal portal]

not particularly

the main thing with dkiss hat is that you force tusk out, sure, but it doesn't help gambit being permawalled or it knocking / setting rocks all day

[gritty tinsel]

last time i was in AAA, hatterne was mainly used for troom

[surreal portal]

and 4 spa + no life orb means it can still grab free turns even against hat

[green shoal]

2 drain kisses and its def dead unless its an assault vest tusk which then my own tusk could prolly handle

[surreal portal]

regen

[green shoal]

i mean whatd u change to fix

[surreal portal]

probably get rid of hat for something else tbh, i don't think it really does a lot here

[green shoal]

i mean

for what

whats better

[surreal portal]

EE ghold + dnite can maybe work, pressures tusk and means bax/gren don't really autowin

and then you have another thing to help gambit get through

[green shoal]

already have ghold

ee

whats ee

dnite aerilte?

[surreal portal]

earth eater

aerilate dnite yeah

[green shoal]

that could work ngl

bird can take fire moves

gholdengo take earth

also have dnite for that too

kingambit take ghost

[surreal portal]

the main thing in general with tusk is that you can brawl with it with your own tusk, however opposing ghold can be annoying with spinblocking, so corv mightn't be bad either since it can be a second physdef mon and a pivot for kilo

there's a decent amount that can be done here

[green shoal]

im all ears

aaa ladder is hard man

ive been stuck at the bottom for too long

[surreal portal]

ladder is full of random immunities which is pain

[green shoal]

i mean theres a lot to be done though

i mean actually what about wellbaked for gholdengo

if i do that

i can get rid of scarf

well

either way

ee or wellbaked

and trick

[surreal portal]

i don't really feel WBB does much here, ace is severely hampered by opulse ban and you already have garg for moth/volc

so there's no massive fire weakness here

[green shoal]

ahh

u right

oh damn opulse got banned too

did hadron?

[surreal portal]

no

less and worse abusers

[green shoal]

ah

i mean

[surreal portal]

hmm, on additional thoughts volt absorb corv mightn't be terrible here, since it acts as secondary removal + pivot for kilo + permawalls shocks

[green shoal]

hmmmm

for

tusk??

how would u run corv too

thats smart ngl

i barely see any

[surreal portal]

gren and bax are annoying so changing to offensive hat might be a shout too

probably dropping kingambit at this point?

[green shoal]

maybe

whatever u think

[surreal portal]

https://pokepast.es/ddf6377810b8a14f something like this maybe (changed recover, roost, curse, hat)

[green shoal]

mf did it for me

thank u dawg

why

lagging tail??\

[surreal portal]

guarantees underspeeding other corvs + means that, in front of garganacl, salt cure does nothing

[green shoal]

wow

u r so smart

u said

change gholdengo

thunderbolt

to recover right

[surreal portal]

yeah i updated the paste

because i copied the old one

[green shoal]

that part wasnt changed

ohhh

so

u think this it

[surreal portal]

hat should be modest, my bad

[green shoal]

its alr man

u helped me a lot

very grateful

thank u sm

aboutta go try this dope team

[surreal portal]

the main thing to look out for is probably dnite

hat out-prioritizes and OHKOes after minor chip so brave bird on corv might help there

[green shoal]

act

its the same

it could go either way

[surreal portal]

no triage is +3

espeed is +2

[green shoal]

ive gone first on a espeed i swear

[surreal portal]

then they clicked calm mind

triage will always go first

[green shoal]

ohhh

alrrrr

dnite

this what im going against rn

he supersonic

what

[sacred oriole]

This looks very solid; only immediate change I would make is Boots on Tusk so you can remove TSpikes

[vast apex]

if you want my take on it:

1. you could make zacian dland > gtactics and make it a support pokemon instead. I'm not too sure how I feel about gtactics on this team since it is mostly special oriented, and you don't have much in way of support to help zac beat fur coat mons. you could do dland with synthesis, tidy up, magical torque, and v-create potentially. haze dozo does a decent enough job of improofing it. scales dialga-o does help the team's weakness on this team, but I'm not a fan of how easily your team gets blown up opposing palkia-os or imposter if your dialga gets too low. dland zacian is an option you could consider

2. having only one means of removal may be tricky, but you could potentially swap tidy up with another move on groudon. wisp/glare are potentially good options since it allows you to do something vs zac regardless of what immunity they have slotted in. a pivotting option also works like u-turn/parting shot.

[green shoal]

https://pokepast.es/1b8ea272529e47b8 I was cooking with this but i now think charizard could be better I already have 2 great setup mons 3 is a stretch id rather a scarfed mon or something else any advice?? (convergence)

[gritty tinsel]

right thanks

[glass cargo]

https://pokepast.es/a56d4934f0b056b8

I tried to make a team using the guide in the thread

I only rlly tested it against my friend and my friend is a dumbass

rate plz:))

@static cosmos

[static cosmos]

you have no elec resist besides miraidon, so i imagine opposing miraidon will go pretty hard

[glass cargo]

ohh alr

what do u recommend I change to help with that?

[static cosmos]

uhhh

the miraidon generally looks unwieldy

also

the team is gonna struggle a ton with imposter

a lot of the mons such as palkia simply have no defensive counterplay to imposter

on the team

if you had measures to slow it down such as glare dondozo i would maybe think you had some sort of compensation (still doesn't fix everything), but there's no way of slowing it down

[glass cargo]

ohh alr

what does unwieldy mean

miraidon is

fat?

[static cosmos]

no it's just the nature of a choice mon

like it's basically a heavy weapon that can be difficult to swing around without a dedicated team structure

[glass cargo]

ohh

[static cosmos]

i.e. defensive mons and slow pivots to fall back on

[glass cargo]

ah I see

[static cosmos]

not that it's unworkable here

but if you take out something else for a passive wall so you can cover impostered miraidon defensively, it will probably cause as many problems as it solves due to how offensive the team is

[glass cargo]

ohh

so what is the recommended change here?

make a new team 💀

[static cosmos]

likely just replace miraidon altogether

you could go with a draco plate set which naturally gets around imposter

or find a different mon, likely one that does a better job at beating impostered palkia

[glass cargo]

oka

what does a good job at beating imposter palk?

im a dumbas

sory

[static cosmos]

looking at vr it seems to be really bulky ice scales and av regen users

like dialga-o and hisuian goodra

you also could mayyyybe use your own chansey

[glass cargo]

ooh

I might go h goodra

I like him

thas prolly only why

[static cosmos]

alright

the analysis is here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/goodra-hisui/bh/

on this team you definitely want circle throw otherwise they just spam quiver dance on you

[glass cargo]

okay

thanks you

https://pokepast.es/e5a92f56167b8f52

[static cosmos]

yeah that should serve you well

[glass cargo]

alrighty thanks

[grim carbon]

https://pokepast.es/a80d690c1e67713a

throwing this one in, thoughts on desoland ceruledge in this meta? been trying to use a double weather core with a more offense feel and didn't wanna use Moth again (ty Natcrozma for the initial core idea)

[dusk pasture]

is this supposed to be like, HO or something?

[slim monolith]

this is just regular offense

[dusk pasture]

hmm i don't like teams without defensive backbones excluding all-out HO but alright

[slim monolith]

regular offense teams seem wack until u use them so dw

[dusk pasture]

well, just looking at the sets, is bu ceruledge particularly viable in AAA?

[sacred oriole]

@echo lodge

[sacred oriole]

SD is generally better imo, you don’t have the bulk to really use bulk up well

[echo lodge]

Such a bulky Ceruledge isn't worth it, especially on an offensive build like this

Ceruledge @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Desolate Land
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bitter Blade
• Close Combat
• Shadow Sneak

You don't really want Solar Blade; the primsea mons can't really switch into your coverage anyway and you don't want to be locked into a two turn move

Having Shadow Sneak also gives you more priority + lets you roast Gholdengo, which otherwise is a nuisance if it's faster

[grim carbon]

ah ok, just generally wanted to see if that bulk up set was viable in aaa presently, but yeah i guess going full offense makes sense, and I forgot about Solar Blade getting dunked on in a switch in

rest is fine then?

[wise dragon]

https://pokepast.es/d5de0a9c108ea7dd

Gen7 OU

[sacred oriole]

this should go in the OldGen OU thread

not OMs

[wise dragon]

My bad sorry

[echo lodge]

Send usable, yeah
Test it and see

[solemn citrus]

@echo lodge https://pokepast.es/6cf706cba0a67506 is this any good?

[echo lodge]

Whoa

This is a very unique team

It looks like it has a lot of potential

I guess the biggest issue is dealing with special attackers

Garganacl can't check Gholdengo, which appears to run through this team if it's carrying the right ability

I'd make your Gholdengo Bulletproof and change Great Tusk's attacks to Earthquake and Knock Off

or Body Press + Knock Off

That way, you have a better chance at dealing with opposing tusk

[solemn citrus]

Ok Ty so much

Really appreciate it

[echo lodge]

Np

[dusk pasture]

https://pokepast.es/058d0c19da4269f1 advice for AAA team?

[umbral lava]

New AAA RMT @echo lodge, @sacred oriole, @coarse walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk pasture]

it has a neat concept i like (scrappy slither) but it just isn't doing too much

mainly because i can't find too much opportunity to get it in and going

as im usually on the backfoot as offense can really pressure me with the two fat mons i run as breakers

defensive core is kinda wonky

i try to cope with triage hatterene but it just aint enough

hatterene itself/offensive ghold can put pressure on this team

and bax, for obvious reasons

but bax i can at least cope against

[surreal portal]

i think the main issue here is no special wall, as well as gira doing little of value + heatran not really being necessary

heatran can work as a zac check but it's a heatran for everything else + helmet can do the job anyway

also glance isn't really hitting anything important besides just enamorus (which, because you're tidy up, never needs to switch in on you anyway)

eleceus can work but it's mostly just an issue of opportunity cost + imp can still force chip on you with cage (unless you expend tera) and should live one cage cycle (having beads makes you immune to other beads)

well this needs a special wall to not instantly lose to palkia or miraidon or probably etern, so regenvest or scales dialga helps

[echo lodge]

The team might be too fat and bulky

You might want to go back to the drawing board with a more offensive pivot to partner with Slither Wing

I'd recommend something like scarf rmoon or some kind of Greninja

[dusk pasture]

yeah that makes sense, although I don't think all out offensive ghold is too bad of an idea to use considering with how it matches up into scream and stuff

we just need to give gholdengo vswitch....

[echo lodge]

There's volt switch Gholdengo at home

Iron Treads @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 68 Atk / 252 SpA / 188 Spe
Naughty Nature

• Steel Beam
• Earthquake
• Knock Off
• Volt Switch

[dusk pasture]

yeah there's one at home magearna

mglo treads probably can do something but agh it also sounds so stupid

[echo lodge]

It ohkoes Tusk

[vast apex]

you don't have any special walls or checks in the slightest. opposing gholdengos among other special attackers like dragapult just run you over everytime they get a switch in. I'm not entirely sure what concept you're going for with the team to suggest what is or isn'tt replaceable. though the main problems for the team is that it's incredibly slow outside espeed priority, lacks removal, and it lacks any way to check special attackers like I said. I'm also fairly unsure of what dondozo does for this team, but it is an interesting idea since you can just throw it into physical attackers and potentially set up. though in practice, I think the the teams weaknesses may not lend to any of dondozos strengths, and you may just end up switching it into physical attackers over and over without making much progress. I think you can maybe slap corv on here somewhere to alleviate some of the stress of special attackers + gaining a pivot and removal. though I don't think corviknight by itself is sufficient in handling the team's middling special bulk

[vast apex]

well what’re you trying to go for with this team? is it a tinkaton team? a maushold team or a dondozo team? you have a bunch of stuff that’d require their own support on one team

figuring out what the team’s identity is would be a start

[solemn citrus]

@echo lodge https://pokepast.es/38c3d025f61c4b08 could I get a rating?

[sacred oriole]

@echo lodge

[vast apex]

what are you trying to go for with banette stone? is it for the large atk raise? I'd imagine it is a combination of that + being able to use prankster twave

hmm alr so the main problem that tinkaton has is that it's walled by corviknight, which is incredibly common. as well as its hardwalled by the occasional iron moth or unmega-evolved arcanine. you can potentially slot on bulldoze for that, but I'm not entirely sure what'd you replace with that

putting zone on the team would help with that to some degree, but in the event you don't run into corv, it may be a problem

hmm alternatively, you could do tinkaton + pidgeotite washtom

I'm having a hard time figuring out a defensive core since you're stacking ground + fire weaknesses, which is a just a disaster

might have to opt out of magnezone and do tink + washtom instead

hmm for the defensive core

Ability: Levitate  
Tera Type: Electric  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Volt Switch  
- Thunder  
- Hydro Pump  
- Nasty Plot```

this is probably better

it gets no guard

for the defensive core, I think you could maybe do clodsire + corv + slowbro potentially

hmm the last pokemon

I am not entirely sure

I don't like arcanine since it stacks another ground weakness, and dragonite is more or less checked/walled by the same things as tinkatton

idt you can double dip stones

maybe do gyaradosite on clodsire or even latiasite

sablenite corv

and then either manec or audinite on slowbro

last pokemon, I'm really not sure but dragapult is a safe option to mess around with until you figure out what the team may want instead

you could do something like lucarionite pult

mixed set with dragon darts or something like that

probably u-turn over tbolt

Ability: Clear Body  
EVs: 60 Atk / 252 SpA / 196 Spe  
Mild Nature  
- Dragon Darts  
- Shadow Ball  
- U-turn  
- Fire Blast```

alternatively this might work? that's from gen8 though lol

I don't have an exact spread for it but yours works too if you put u-turn on there somewhere

[echo lodge]

Alright, boom

First (and biggest) concern is that the Iron Moth seems to be wasting potential

With that set, Sheer Force + Life Orb gives you immediate power and allows Fiery Dance to become Fire Blast instead, which is a lot better than hoping to get a Dance raise or Grim Neigh proc

Supreme Overlord Meowscarada is just cleanly worse than having Sword of Ruin

In AAA, only in fringe cases is it worth it to opt for delayed power over immediate amplification

I don't think I understand AV 4a Gholdengo here? Your main Dazzling Gleam target is roaring moon, but you want Nasty Plot to KO that

Bc most of them are regenvest right now

So I'd change the set to something like NP shadow ball / make it rain / dgleam if anything

I'm not a Dragonite fan so my first inclination is almost always going to be to remove it, but you can leave it be if you're particularly inspired to use it

[dusk pasture]

https://pokepast.es/8c3a7a8056ac9d0d

advice for AAA team? i like some of the concepts here but in reality it can be kinda hard to cut it

quav can be cool but sometimes can simply take too long to get going and do nothing

although it serves as a neat defensive piece

ceruledge also seems threatening but with only dland and boots it loses a lot of power from before to smash everything

although it was mainly here to check hat

playing around hat with ghold can be.. dangerous unless it's WBB

[surreal portal]

what is psyshock on ghold hitting

also yeah it seems like you're overly reliant on setup to actually pressure the opponent

[dusk pasture]

ignore that lol

was mguars before

run it to lure and smash moth which is actually worth it imo since Iron Moth sucks to deal with otherwise

[echo lodge]

Regenvest rmoon is right there, though

[echo lodge]

Tbh I'd make the greninja primordial sea and find a different quaquaval ability (magic guard...? air lock...?)

Bulk Up isn't really that good with primsea when you consider how easily any desoland mon can hop in

I assume you're already working on fixing the gholdengo, so no comment there

[dusk pasture]

for the old team it sucked to play against long term as it meant I had to sit and play around it for ages (I still) yeah anyway

I'll try look at changing quav

[umbral lava]

New NFE RMT @autumn ivy. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast apex]

I'm not an NFE main, but morgrem seems incredibly out of place here. you only really have 2 set-up sweepers, so I wonder if screens are entirely necessary here. you could slot quaxwell over morgrem here

which part is that referring to

morgrem

or quax

mm that's good

[vast apex]

would defensive quax work better here

if you're struggling with generating offense, I feel like swapping morgrem with something else could work

like you could do toedscool > morgrem if you struggle with elektrik that much. it als offers spin + other status/utility moves and then have frogadier back on or keep offensive quax on there

[slim monolith]

i only just saw this is an mnm team, but uh yeah u have no backbone LOL

for one, make dozo 252hp 252spd careful with venusaurite, gives u a bundle answer + unaware curse mon in one. tinkaton should be lucarionite mold breaker with max/max speed jolly + encore > twave so you can reliably beat garganacl, remove maushold because it sucks, gholdengo bc it doesnt fit here, and skeledirge bc ghold is a pain, and instead run pidgeotite magnezone, physdef pinsirite tusk, and spdef manectite iron moth. finally, give dnite 56spe from hp for honestly something idr for LOL.

team: https://pokepast.es/dbf2b134d1be938d

if you have any questions etc just ping me and ill do my best

[slim monolith]

also gonna address that zone has uses outside of that, notably it can threaten stuff like pex, dozo, and arc really well while tink reliably scares dnite and garg (notably spdef ttarite and almost always aggronite arent ohkod by steel beam zone)

[autumn ivy]

biggest issues with this version of the team
-hazards
-physical attackers, mostly pawniard, raboot and pikachu
agreed with ponchlake that morgrem is the most expendable slot here, i think replacing it with a defensive fletchinder could be better especially with uturn to bring fraxure in on mons like mareanie. it covers a lot of annoying mons with flame body pressure and gives you defog.
aside from that i do think toedscool could be better than tinkatuff here, it still checks misdreavus but also gives you some pikachu counterplay and fills a lot of the same roles.
id keep frogadier over quaxwell because it gives you more damage output and a way easier matchup against blaze sd variants of raboot since fletch cant do much more than uturn on those
https://pokepast.es/04903ed995290a3b
i also made some minor set changes to naclstack and misdreavus to improve matchup against sneasel and naclstack respectively

if you end up having issues with opposing fraxure you could also change naclstack to physdef tinkatuff

^

taunt is also a strong option for frax on a more defensive team like this too if you feel it's needed for roar variants of crocalor but you'll have to do some playtesting to see if that's necessary imo

sub is good already

[valid vapor]

https://pokepast.es/7a40486fb3d2b1bd

[sacred oriole]

@echo lodge friend for you

[echo lodge]

Biggest noteworthy things:

• Sludge Wave Iron Moth doesn't actually anything (fire move already cooks fairies and grass types); change that to Discharge, which gives you hope against WBB Corviknight
• Consider Sucker Punch Chien-Pao, stronger into most targets unless you're really scared of DD Roaring Moon (team doesn't seem weak to it anyway)
• otherwise seems okay? I'd throw out Dragonite for anything else if it was my team, but I just find that mon super underwhelming

[slim monolith]

first time ive heard dragonite as underwhelming in aaa ever

[echo lodge]

It's not very consistent in corv tier