#Smogon Doubles Rates

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lilac notch
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what

tacit blaze
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do i switch to peli for ice beam

lilac notch
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protect\

lilac notch
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js use sludge bomb

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much better

tacit blaze
lilac notch
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without drawbacks

lilac notch
tacit blaze
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protect and muddy water

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do i switch muddy to ice beam

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but stab + rain muddy does hit hard along w acc lower

lilac notch
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torn

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can tw

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earth power

tacit blaze
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yes i have him tw aswell

tacit blaze
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besides all sun mons are faster than lando

lilac notch
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u have torn and corv on the team u dont needa worry about amoongus also psy fang barraskewda

tacit blaze
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the ones i can attack properly anyways

lilac notch
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ur weaker to electric

tacit blaze
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i can tank those

lilac notch
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something good against ur normal types or just good attack options

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to give stab

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like tera poison lando

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gives stab to sludge\

tacit blaze
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hm yes my sludge does hit p weak

lilac notch
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lead something that outspeeds it + torn

tacit blaze
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but like what

lilac notch
tacit blaze
tacit blaze
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im not in a position to torn

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id have to

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corv uturn into torn

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for twind

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and thats it

lilac notch
tacit blaze
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im not strong enough

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its too tanky

lilac notch
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focus sash or covert on torn

tacit blaze
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hm ok

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why covert tho

lilac notch
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ignores fake out

tacit blaze
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ah

lilac notch
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u get un tauntable or fake out able tailwinds

tacit blaze
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wait

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yes

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i need that taunt counter

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ok nice

lilac notch
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actually

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no u dont

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ur slower than whims

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u can run mental herb

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tera ghost + mental herb or tera dark + covert/focus

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works pretty well

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or u can just

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protect turn one

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to completely ignore fakeout

tacit blaze
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yea thats why i didjt mention fakeout

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i did get taunted one game

lilac notch
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also

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if ur not running protect

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on barra

tacit blaze
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ruined my entire play

lilac notch
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just use choice band

tacit blaze
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huh

lilac notch
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also ambi pom kinda sucks

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use incin

tacit blaze
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i donr have enough tank switchouts for banding/speccing someone

lilac notch
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no point in using life orb

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u benefit much more from choice band

tacit blaze
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anything other than band?

lilac notch
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also are u using the wrong move on corv?

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should be body press not body slam

tacit blaze
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wait ill show uodated team

tacit blaze
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it has helped clutch a few times

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tacit blaze
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just a few changes u told me to

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bruh it pinged

brittle spade
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Yeah I'll take it from here

tacit blaze
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hes my prio counter for now

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ice shard/tclap

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gglide

brittle spade
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Kinda sucks is an understatement, get rid of ambipom and run assault vest rillaboom

tacit blaze
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for what

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im looking for prio counter with fake out. what does rilla do over that

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sneasler does that i didnt realise

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and uturn for pivot, nice

peak crypt
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the easier way to “counter” priority would be to use Indeedee, Farigiraf, or Tsareena, but you can also just put Protect on your Barraskewda

lilac notch
peak crypt
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or replace the Barraskewda for a good Pokémon

tacit blaze
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skewda is fast in rain

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dunno who else to use lowk

peak crypt
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so is Basculegion-F

lilac notch
tacit blaze
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but then im full of spatkers

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dont i need versatility

lilac notch
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also doesnt politoed + torn feel a bit redundant

peak crypt
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really the “issue” is rain’s just not that great in the format right now. Pelipper dropped from DOU a couple weeks ago and Politoed hasn’t seen the light in ages

brittle spade
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Try this

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It's the best you can do while keeping those 6

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But as arcticblast said

peak crypt
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And part of the reason is there really aren’t great Swift Swim users—Basc-M is banned, and the next best Rain Pokemon in Archaludon is also banned

brittle spade
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Rain is just a bad archetype

peak crypt
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I wouldn’t call it bad outright

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But it’s seen better days

tacit blaze
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i mean my strat is doing well

peak crypt
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Apologies to Rainer1507 LOL

tacit blaze
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i only fall against tr users specifically

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im at 1350 or sth rn

brittle spade
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Corviknight could also do bulk up

lilac notch
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ngl

oak phoenix
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You were right, adding my Cal Shadow set made me go from a 55-63% win rate to a 75%+ win rate

tacit blaze
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corv is fine with defog and taunt for me

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need the psyt+tr counter

oak phoenix
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While switching between that team and another one because I have a more bulky team focused around Cal Ice that counters the type of team I've come up with

tacit blaze
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altho i have replaced ampi for sneasler

peak crypt
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Traditional rain doesn’t get to reliably beat Psyspam and Trick Room

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Sneasler doesn’t help those matchups at all either

tacit blaze
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which is why im running this

peak crypt
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If anything, Rillaboom is the better answer

tacit blaze
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sneasler is just a stronger version of amoi

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for me

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fakeout+upperhand+uturn is valuable for me

peak crypt
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Rilla already has two of those things

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And Upper Hand is less valuable than you think it is

tacit blaze
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valuable emough for now in low elo

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ice shard spammers are destroying me

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and some tclap aswell

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and the toed + prankster rain helps me win every weather war

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unless someome has freeze dry on snow

peak crypt
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Politoed + Tornadus is fine

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Unfortunately every good snow team will have Freeze-Dry Kyurem

tacit blaze
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just fell to flower trick + anger point

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smart ppl out here dang

peak crypt
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that is one of the things that you see once and never lose to again

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it’ll always get you the first time and should never get you the second time

tacit blaze
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yea i sacced my nadus so didnt have twind

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and they got lucky with rock slide landing everytime

peak crypt
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look I’m going to be honest with you: you need to actually start taking our advice or you need to stop posting teams. Three of us now have told you ways to improve your teams and you have essentially said “no thanks” every time, then come back because you still need help.

If you’re going to ask for help, be receptive to the help provided. If you were to hit the ladder right now with the Rillaboom team ratpacker sent, you could probably go up a hundred points on ladder and handily beat the “Ice Shard spammers”

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I will freely admit I am a bit washed, but Paint and ratpacker are consistently able to hit the top of the ladder and make deep runs in official tournaments. All of us are able to see the strengths and weaknesses of a team at a high level, and can tell when a Pokémon or a strategy isn’t going to help you win games. If you really specifically want to use specific Pokemon, we can help you build a team that lets you use one or two specific Pokemon, but if you show us a rain team and say “this is weak to Psychic and Trick Room,” listen to us when we say to use Rillaboom

tacit blaze
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alright

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gonna try it out

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can i switch wood for knock or would that mess things up

peak crypt
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I would try just straight up using the exact paste ratpacker sent

tacit blaze
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wood*

brittle spade
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Knock does nothing

peak crypt
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Wood Hammer in Grassy Terrain is dealing more damage than super effective Knock Off anyway

tacit blaze
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was thinkin abt sinistcha

peak crypt
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Tornadus and Basculegion can both deal with Sinistcha

tacit blaze
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have like

peak crypt
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Not every Pokemon needs to be an army in a can

tacit blaze
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oh yea remove barra aswell

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forgor

peak crypt
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You can let each Pokémon do what it does best and allow teammates to pick up where others fall short

tacit blaze
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either idk how to play anymore or everyones just gotten like a shit ton smarter

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that team made me lose 150 elo

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i think ill have to stick to mine for low elo

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people are unpredictable

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or im just slow idk

pseudo mango
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https://psim.us/t/1680167-wbndoi24x5uwdnomui96 does this team have any potential for an irl tournament ? Im trying to train a lot to maybe in the summer be able to play one and wanted to see if there's any chance i could with this team

cloud coyote
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Hi! Currently trying to make a team for a competitive team to get me started with potentially competitive masterball ranked. I’m using Mimikyu for my main teamcore. I’m a Total beginner here. This is my team so far and am looking for advice for what I should add for my last two mons, plus changes with the mons I currently have

peak crypt
# pseudo mango https://psim.us/t/1680167-wbndoi24x5uwdnomui96 does this team have any potential...

This looks like a pretty reasonable DOU team at a glance, but in-person tournaments are usually going to be held on whatever the current VGC regulation is. This means you most likely won't be playing DOU, but an entirely different format, and this team may be weaker or even illegal. If you plan on attending any in-person events, remember to check with the organizer beforehand (or on their website, or on Pokemon's event locator) to confirm what format the tournament will be.

pseudo mango
torpid moat
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basically nobody plays doubles ou on real nintendo switch

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it will likely be a vgc regulation

pseudo mango
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Oops i may have not precised the first part was about doubles ou

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I wanna get comfortable with a really good team before entering any tournaments since it won't be the same

torpid moat
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your team is likely to be either illegal or hopelessly outmatched depending on what vgc reg you are playing

pseudo mango
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And especialy with team building, so if i could find any core that's good it could help

pseudo mango
torpid moat
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you can just play vgc if you want to practice for a vgc tournament

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if it's forward-looking, champions vgc ma is likely the format of choice

pseudo mango
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Isn't there only one regulation rn being the one with restricteds ?

pseudo mango
torpid moat
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many skills are transferable between dou and vgc but teams can almost never be used in both

pseudo mango
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Or should i hop directly on those ?

torpid moat
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you can play both if you want

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I don't know how quickly you learn but for some it can take a long time to get to 1700

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there's nothing stopping you from just trying champs now though

pseudo mango
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Could i get to 1700 for June ? I started 2-3 days ago and im at 1400 rn

torpid moat
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it's not a linear scale

pseudo mango
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True it's going to get a lot harder

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Iv'e been on quite a loosing streak too

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I was thinking the team was the problem but i might have to get better as a player

torpid moat
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yeah you likely coasted to 1400 off reasonable team quality early on

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the skills you'd need to develop to reach 1700+ in dou would serve you well in vgc, but yeah if your main goal is to play irl and you're not interested in dou tournaments/community

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you can just play vgc

pseudo mango
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Well dou tournaments could help me hone my skills no ?

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I wanna be prepared as best as i can

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Or should i go straight for vgc tournaments on showdown ?

torpid moat
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you can learn those same skills in vgc too

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by tournaments I didn't mean room tours btw

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I meant like the ones scheduled on smogon with weekly rounds

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I'm not as familiar with how vgc players do non-official tours but they do exist

pseudo mango
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I didn't know they existed, could be a move

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Well with this i guess i should hop onto vgc right ?

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Or champions ?

torpid moat
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the next vgc format will be on champions, which is regulation ma

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one and the same

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people are starting from first principles in vgc, so the upside is a lot of activity and enthusiasm

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you can watch someone like wolfey's youtube or whatever

halcyon pantherBOT
torpid moat
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you can check out their discord as well

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or rather the smogon vgc discord

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I'm sure there exist many others

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there aren't too many consolidated champs resources yet but teams have been shared etc

pseudo mango
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Wow this means a lot thanks

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With this i think i'l be able to prepare real nice and may have a chance at participating

raw forum
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Hey I'm new to the competitive pokemon scene and I wanted help with my team it's a trick room mega crabominable team

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Obviously my team struggles with charizard Y/venasaur teams so I would also love some tips on how to deal with them and teams that would also bring some challenges if you can

lilac notch
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probably no point in oranguru using thunderbolt if u have thunder punc and hyper voice for charizard?

raw forum
lilac notch
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but oranguru is pretty bad

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as a tr setter

raw forum
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He's more of a spare TR setter if Slowking-Galar dies which has happen before. Are there better choices for a spare TR setter absolutely. I just like using oranguru with instruct its so good to hit a double ice hammer or drain punch

peak crypt
hollow oxide
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^also, use

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halcyon pantherBOT
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peak crypt
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technically correct but less important!

hollow oxide
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tru

peak crypt
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My hunch is either as a Trick Room setter or as a Swords Dance user that can (sometimes) set up in front of Gholdengo

uneven ridge
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cloud coyote
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I will drop Blissey for a mon u mentioned

trail swan
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

brittle spade
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this team is a bit too weak for dou

brittle spade
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clicking psychic terrain is too slow

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slowbro galar clefable reuniclus are too weak for dou

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and the movesets arent optimal

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ursaluna can't afford to not have a ground move

signal elk
halcyon pantherBOT
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dreamy lichen
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https://pokepast.es/05d6999882962b63

I tried to craft a team, i did two matches with it and it seems solid, i lost the second one because they were better overall, just wondering if i should put tailwind or not

hot ridge
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id recommend one of the genies which helps cover sun or rilla

dreamy lichen
dreamy lichen
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Im thinking rilla instead of ludicolo

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Kinda wanna keep gren bc he a favourite

hot ridge
dreamy lichen
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Thanks

hot ridge
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your team over all seems extremely weak to opposing tornadus, maybe try raging bolt or iron hands

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or potentially glimm for breaking sashes and solid burst damage

dreamy lichen
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I was using ludicolo for fakeout, as for tornadus i was thinking of switching roost for tailwind to give myself an advantagr

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Greninja is my main counter for flying types

signal elk
brittle spade
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Hatterene would also rather have a defensive Tera

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Like water fire or steel

signal elk
brittle spade
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The sinistcha slot is flexible, you can keep it or you can run Amoonguss or fake out iron hands

brittle spade
signal elk
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oh yeah i can do that

brittle spade
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You can run weakness policy, hard stone, mental herb etc

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Even shuca berry Tera electric

signal elk
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btw what do i do against opposing farig with imprison?

ivory relic
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

ivory relic
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did i do something wrong?

hot ridge
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nope

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automated response

ivory relic
ivory relic
orchid stump
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

brittle spade
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until you KO it

brittle spade
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eternatus sets tspikes and kyogre can set weather

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and run a real moveset on calyrex, with trick room high horsepower and protect

brittle spade
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none of the four other pokemon you picked do that very well

ivory relic
halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @vapid plaza, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexdoubles team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

leaden acorn
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https://pokepast.es/7413796a873a1a75
should i change anything
im thinking maybe change brick break for taunt on dusklops but bb 2 hits gambit cus without armarouge im walled by steel

jagged jacinth
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

brittle spade
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hydrapple really doesnt fit on your build

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if you want to play it, you need a very different team

jagged jacinth
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oh okay

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i js read at the very bottom it said it fits in sand teams

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thank you 🙏

brittle spade
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doubles plays quite differently

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sand teams look more like this usually

jagged jacinth
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ohh okay

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oh

brittle spade
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you should be fine with those six though

jagged jacinth
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I was using prima earlier but I swapped them for hydrapple

brittle spade
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you don't want prim with ogerpon wellspring

jagged jacinth
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yeah I swapped ogerpon for a different mon

brittle spade
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and hydrapple wants a trick room user like diancie or porygon

jagged jacinth
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I can't remember what it was

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but I needed follow me for stuff

brittle spade
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ogerpon hearthflame pairs well with tyranitar

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since tyranitar will deal with dragon and flying types for it

jagged jacinth
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I'm gonna try the team out see how it performs

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thanks bro

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when should I swap in gzapdos

brittle spade
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It's mostly for incineroar and okidogi

orchid stump
torpid moat
spring mango
final kestrel
orchid stump
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

brittle spade
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No speed on iron hands and you run brave

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You can put the remaining EVs in Atk spdef and hp

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Gambit wants Iron head and a different item, like leftovers, since you don't have a way to break fairies

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And farigiraf can just run hyper voice psychic

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Supercell slam is also quite bad on hands

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You don't want to lose 50% hp if you hit protect

junior basin
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https://pokepast.es/12e804f8210a747a
Gen 9 doubles OU
Though closer to UU
I always wanted to try oricorio synergy as well as be able to use lilligant so I figured the best way to do that was oricorio sun team
This team only have 5 pokemon because I do not know who fits as the last one
I do really like whimsicott and I think it works pretty well

halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @junior basin, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for Gen 9 doubles OU. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

hollow oxide
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@brittle spade @peak crypt @torpid moat@rose juniper @tight spire since it didn't ping

torpid moat
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the dancer effect itself isn't worth it for oricorio's bad stats, you'd rather use a mon that's strong right out the gate like lando-i, or at least something with more bulk if you're going for boosts like moltres-galar

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it's also not even viable in duu with the prevalence of mons like rockpon and generally more hostility to volcarona

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but yeah ultimately dancer just isn't worth it on a mon as bad as oricorio, it's just too inflexible and trying to make it work just results in a really unbalanced team

junior basin
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I see, unfortunate
I’ll think of something then
Thanks

torpid moat
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I can give you a quiver dance volcarona team if you want?

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volc on its own with sufficient support can still work

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for example this one has volcarona and sd hands as setup wincons

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with lots of defensive support so that you can actually safely setup

junior basin
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This team seems nice
I’ll try it out, thanks

torpid moat
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this comp feels a little too weak to diancie though

kind willow
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https://pokepast.es/eb57c86951877a8e
lowk my first team ever that i made... its not meant to be good it's jst me experimenting w a strat
lmk what to change/improve but keep the ROUND pls.... its fun to use

halcyon pantherBOT
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brittle spade
kind willow
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i lowk lost the plot

brittle spade
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Because that's not a strat that'll get you far in dou

brittle spade
kind willow
brittle spade
uneven ridge
halcyon pantherBOT
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torpid moat
uneven ridge
torpid moat
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are you specifically trying to make a rain team?

uneven ridge
torpid moat
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try follow me waterpon next to calm mind raging bolt, much more synergistic pairing than peli

uneven ridge
torpid moat
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waterpon kills things like lando-i and provides redirection support, rbolt sets up on mons that waterpon doesn't like like rillaboom

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raging bolt runs either leftovers or covert cloak (for fake out/snarl), depending on if you have other sources of healing

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dragon pulse/electric move/calm mind/protect, fairy tera

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electric move is either thunderbolt or thunderclap

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tclap is priority which can be powerful, but thunderbolt is more useful against a lot of things that can get around tclap, like diancie, gholdengo, psychic terrain, and redirection

uneven ridge
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what moves could I run with waterpon

torpid moat
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thunderbolt needs more speed control, tclap needs ways to answer said issues

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cudgel/grass move/follow me/spiky shield is standard

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grass move is personal preference, any of horn leech/wood hammer/power whip

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spiky shield can be cut for taunt or encore if you're willing to forgo protect

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u turn is also an option over grass move

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you should iron out the set later once you figure out more team members and what you need

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for future mons, incineroar would be a natural next step, or healing sources like rillaboom or sinistcha

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if tbolt, good speed control options could be tornadus or roaring moon tailwind, or a semi tr option like bronzong or sinistcha

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if tclap, you'd definitely want lando-i to nail down ghold/diancie

worn blaze
torpid moat
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I also don't think farig is very valuable here, you'd probably be better off with a tailwind instead like roaring moon

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the luke feint part doesn't seem very worthwhile in comparison to just going for the boom

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failing zoro, run like dragapult maybe?

worn blaze
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The point of my team is explode with normal tera Metacross and Gholdengo is immune

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If he is going to be KO I use before the explosion protect

torpid moat
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and roaring moon instead of farig because ghold can function better under tailwind, and rmoon "does more stuff" with its slot than farig would when you're already a mon down

random stone
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https://pokepast.es/712942ddcd11c7b3

wanted to try Galarian Weezing with Choice Specs + Toedscruel, a wolfe glick team he used in VGC. i didnt want to copy the team so i decided to make my own with this core in mind, also adding a F/W/G core in the process (Heatran, Suicune, Toedscruel). though in my testing, Heatran was always the weakest link. any feedback, and who should i replace it with?

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak crypt
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Even Wolfe admitted Toedscruel sucked after that one regional, and Reg H is a much lower power level than DOU

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If you want to use Weezing Toedscruel in DOU the rest of your team needs to be filled with the cream of the crop

random stone
peak crypt
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Which basically means all four of those other Pokémon need to go

random stone
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a

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well may i know why they dont fit?

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because they all seem to work nicely so far but its prob cause im on lowladder

peak crypt
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They just don’t meet the power level you need to succeed in DOU

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Dragonite is a fine Pokemon but it sees success almost exclusively alongside Chien-Pao

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and the other three just don’t see high level DOU play

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ah alright i get it

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well before i remove those four, is there things to change with Weezing and Toedscruel?

peak crypt
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Generally my first thought when it comes to Weezing is Raging Bolt—it’s a very powerful Pokemon that doesn’t really use its ability in general

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I think the better Weezing set in DOU is support rather than Specs

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85 SpA just isn’t cutting it and it’s very easy to exploit Weezing’s relatively low stats

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124 Atk Wellspring Mask Tera Water Ogerpon-Wellspring-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 140 HP / 0 Def Weezing-Galar: 192-228 (62.7 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

and this is a physical attacker!

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peak crypt
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I was trying to build something in my head but I accidentally added three Ground weak Pokemon so we’re scrapping that. I do think the strongest Weezing teams will have an Ability Shield user so they can use their own ability while shutting off the opponent’s abilities

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There might be some merit to building Weezing alongside Alolatales Kyurem?

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It’s early for me right now though so I’m going to pass the baton to @brittle spade

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alolatales and kyurem make up a snow bulky offense core while weezing toedscruel make up more of a control balance core

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so they didnt mesh well :/

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hopefully ratpacker got me

brittle spade
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I'm visiting a castle so no team rating from me for the next 7h

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brittle spade
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the best use of weezing in dou and duu is denying grassy surge and intimidate so it's somewhat usable on psyspam

brittle spade
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like gambit, who doesnt need min speed

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made a lot of mons bulkier because they often need to be able to eat two hits

brittle spade
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small rivet
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a lot of your mons are conflicting with each other in role too, like prankster whims with indeedee or the weird tr part

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valiant and ceruledge are also not very good in general

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what direction are you actually looking to go for? I could pass you some diancie hard tr, or like a semiroom team?

small rivet
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I guess I could go with a semiroom team

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maiden gale
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opinions?

brittle spade
# maiden gale https://pokepast.es/42a4e812ca3ebecb

both the pokemon and the movesets you're using are too weak for doubles. if you're trying to make a competitive team you need to scrap it all and use pokemon from the viability rankings pinned in this channel. If you want to use one specific pokemon among the ones on your team or a specific strategy, we can give you tips on what to pair it with so you can consistently win games.

hybrid forum
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this is my rain team

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i realy like it for doubles OU, because i like rain and doesnt have so much meta pokemons, i ask if i can upgrade my team

brittle spade
solid musk
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ebat kopat

maiden gale
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If they die I switch to regirock + mew as support, regirock gets to x3 or 4 defense and uses body press to one shot almost anything without immunities and mew uses light screen and pollen puff to prevent regirock from dying before

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As soon as one of them dies I pull in blaziken that start building up speed boosts that will then pass to regieleki with baton pass

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Regieleki will use electric terrain once and with the peed boosts will deal lots of damage with electro ball

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I do agree that some of the Pokémon are weak, like blaziken and would love to get any idea on how to improve my team, but I wanted to make a team built around these 3 Regis, so scrapping it all like you proposed it's not in my plans

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if you wanted to build around Regis you should have said that when you posted the team

brittle spade
peak crypt
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instead you just asked for opinions and you got opinions

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brittle spade
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should be good enough to win games until 1450 elo

brittle spade
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wochien over mew and volcanion over ogerpon might be even better tbh

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peak crypt
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Regigigas is kinda bad with Weezing too

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ratpacker’s set just ignores Slow Start entirely and focuses on Regigigas’s crazy bulk to be a support Pokémon

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Icy Wind helps Ogerpon and Regirock move before things that would threaten them and Knock Off removes things like Assault Vest so Regieleki can deal more damage

brittle spade
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yeah that

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weezing is also a bad pokemon

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if you really wanna keep weezing you have to run poison gas + taunt anyway, and a choice band on regigigas so it can hit immediatly

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your opponent will always remove the weezing in two turns max

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and regieleki really needs partners to remove ground types, hence the ogerpon

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And then regigigas sits there doing nothing

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brittle spade
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Or regirock to set rocks and click Iron defense

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You use ogerpon and regieleki to beat weakened pokemon

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tried it out, the pecharunt got taken out almost immediately, regirock without light screen had to use rest second turn on the field and was able to get only 1 hit in before getting knocked out, regigigas with slow start on and the support moves didn't do much other than knocking off the leftovers of the opposing pokemons and slow a couple down, mew was a good support but got taken out relatively quickly without any defensive moves, even though the malus on the opposite team were pretty good, regieleki and ogerpon were able to take out a couple of the damaged pokemons but weren't able to do much on their own

brittle spade
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how do i get a replay on showdown?

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There's a button named "save replay" at the end of your game

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Just copy the link and put it here

maiden gale
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oh, i alr closed the game

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it was like 15 minutes ago

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i made 2 versions of a team, i got to 1650 with the first one. for some reason they just dont feel very strong.
this is the first version: https://pokepast.es/717eddd7342a2ec7
this is the second: https://pokepast.es/ac998ea19700dd09

i would say in many games heatran ends up being the mvp. i wont lie it feels like i just dont hit enough mons for super effective damage and im rlly weak to trick room and rain

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ill take a quick peek

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hmmm

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what is that you want?

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just go over the sets and optimize those a bit or take a look at stuff you're weak to or something else?

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or just an overall rating/judging?

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@golden apex

golden apex
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i suppose both?

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im not sure exactly where the team is lacking

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at a glance I’d say it’s probably the Pokémon quality

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The sets seem fine, but using Pokemon like Garchomp, Heatran, Lando-T, and Rotom-W isn’t helping your chances

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Lando-T has been barely holding onto its DOU status and the rest have long since dropped out of DOU in favor of more powerful Pokemon

golden apex
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i wont lie, heatran has been overall probably one of the best performing on this team for me

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but yeah, garchomp and lando-t both feel weak

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rotom is very useful for will-o-wisp, thunderbolt and for tanking hits but it feels like it doesnt do that much outside of that

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how am i meant to get decent ground or rock coverage though then?

peak crypt
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Lando-I is one of the best Pokemon in the format

golden apex
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for some reason im just not good at using it

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idk why, im just bad with some pokemon

peak crypt
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Rock coverage isn’t usually needed because the things weak to Rock also have other common weaknesses, like Fighting, Electric, or Ice

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Or you just press Stealth Rock once

golden apex
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like im good at using incin and amoonguss together for example, but not good with like chien-pao or lando-I

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peak crypt
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I’d also argue you don’t even need Ground coverage

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Lando-I is great, Ursaluna and its bloody cousin are quite good, Ting-Lu is pretty good, there’s a massive gap between Ting-Lu and the next best Ground type

golden apex
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id have to use tr if i want to use ursaluna

peak crypt
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If none of those fit the team you can just not run a Ground type

golden apex
peak crypt
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I think there is an argument to be made here that the team is built around too many flawed Pokemon and can’t really be fixed without a complete overhaul

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I’m honestly not really a fan of Chi-Yu in the current format because it kind of locks you out of using Incineroar

golden apex
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i dont need to have incin on the team

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i think chi-yu is pretty strong

golden apex
peak crypt
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Then you unfortunately still have a Heatran on the team and that is making it worse

golden apex
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i dont think heatran is a bad mon

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its been doing the most on this team so far

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i dont think having heatran makes it inherently worse

peak crypt
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Heatran doing the best on a team of mediocre Pokemon just means Heatran is the least mediocre

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That doesn’t make Heatran good

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If you’re really dead set on using Heatran then I think the Chi-Yu has to go

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The two of them stack just about every single one of their weaknesses and it makes it hard to build something strong that actually compensates for those weaknesses

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You could probably try out Tornadus / Lando-T / Heatran / Raging Bolt / Wellspring Ogerpon / Chien-Pao

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swap the Heatran to Assault Vest and run a pretty specially bulky Lando-T with Stomping Tantrum / U-turn / Stealth Rock / Taunt

golden apex
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Ty

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I'll give it a try

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Do you recommend lando I on a rain team

peak crypt
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I recommend not playing rain

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It stinks

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brittle spade
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You'd need to run scale shot tailwind Dragonite to make this work. Dragon dance gouging fire needs speed control

prisma void
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I had articuno but snow cloak doesnt work

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Bundles work or i might need a def blizzard user

brittle spade
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or kyurem

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otherwise you're gonna struggle into opposing snow

prisma void
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Alright thanks

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What do i add for protect

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Flip turn or freeze dry

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Actually uturn is better than flip turn

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brittle spade
# livid cape https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1743455

Ok im going to try and figure out the thought process behind this.
You opened the Dubers teambuilder, looked up the move Trick Room, passed over every Arceus form, Lunala, Magearna, Calyrex-Ice, Dialga, Palkia, Solgaleo and both Necrozmas, and chose the fastest Pokemon in the tier as your sole Trick Room user. You thought "hey wouldn't this be a good bluff to run Trick Room on a very fast pokemon to take my opponent by surprise". Am I right ?
But then you filled the rest of your team with five Pokemon that only work under Trick Room and no other Trick Room user, thus ruining the surprise of Calyrex being the trick room user. Meaning that anyone you're facing, to the exception of brain-dead Jimmy the ladder user with a winrate of 30% at 1100 elo, will figure out which pokemon on your team is running trick room.

prisma void
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Bro is NOT happy

brittle spade
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You're also using Iron Ball Calyrex-Shadow instead of Focus Sash, meaning that not only Calyrex is still too fast to underspeed groudon with no speed

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but Calyrex will still die to any single target dark move, meaning you're often forced to tera on your first turn, just to set trick room

prisma void
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Element of suprise i guess

brittle spade
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furthermore torkoal glastrier ursaluna-bloodmoon are just too weak for dubers

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so you can't fight a Dubers trick room team

brittle spade
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cloud heath
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What can i do better with this? Like you now whay im going for here right? Trick room using 2 times calm mind with instruct and using 2 times bloodmoom with instruct same with eruption 2 times with instruct, constant switching with incen and sinistcha so what pokemon would fit in this comp and follow me maushold to help setup what can I do to up this playstyle to the fullest please

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if you really want to use it, I'd avoid torkoal, and add more attackers that are difficult to wall, like giving earth power to blood moon for better coverage

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torkoal is really easy to hamstring if they weaken its health, it's not threatening at all besides eruption

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you could try swords dance clear amulet iron hands as a partner maybe, or bulk up okidogi

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or raging bolt, that's another good pairing for sinistcha

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and aside from those you definitely want mons that can deal with lando-i and ogerpon-hearthflame, you're currently quite weak to them

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the maus you should probably cut as well, can just give the sinistcha rage powder instead

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let me mock something up

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ah, and gunk shot > poison jab dogi

cloud heath
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holy

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Thanks man

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torpid moat
# livid cape https://psim.us/t/1746099

hey, I really don't think kyurem black is worth using, you'd be a lot better off just running calyrex-ice and running something else in the shadow rider slot

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your team is also leaning pretty fast without that much bulk

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you're gonna have a lot of trouble with trick room if so, just having an arceus somewhere would help a lot, maybe over the indeedee slot

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or over shadow rider if you go with ice rider

livid cape
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Yeah but then it would be a meta team
It isn't supposed to be one

torpid moat
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what's it supposed to be then?

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if you're building around kyube I also would not do it in this way

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you'd be better off without dd, just icicle spear/scale shot/fusion bolt/protect, pair it with coaching zama c and some clear amulet mons like arceus or ho oh as partners

remote field
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This is my first attempt at making a doubles OU team

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torpid moat
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gambit doesn't fit very well here either, doesn't work with the whims and also stacks a lot of weaknesses anyways

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I'd go with tailwind roaring moon or tornadus instead of whims, and then cut gambit for kyurem or waterpon

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I also don't really recommend sneasler but I'm not sure what you were building around

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the main reason to use it is for the speed tier plus support moves like coaching or fake out

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as an attacker it's really not very impressive, definitely not with burning tera for acrobatics

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booster speed roaring moon is a better acrobatics user, and even there it's not particularly good

remote field
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How about rotom wash for kingambit?

torpid moat
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wash is a pretty terrible mon ngl, just in general

remote field
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really?

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Alright

torpid moat
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yeah it's too frail, the typing can't redeem it

remote field
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I did want to build a team around sneasler

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That was the original goal

remote field
torpid moat
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you'd probably do so as a coaching user then, which would end up as a different build

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probably something like sneasler/rillaboom/ogerpon-hearthflame/chien pao to start

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and then you'd add a lando-i of your own to help with opposing incineroar and diancie

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you can also cut rilla and run sash sneasler instead, which frees up space for dragonite which is a great coach target and partner for pao

remote field
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Do we not have a bit too much physical in that line up?

torpid moat
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dnite is immune to intimidate, and lando-i hits a lot of problematic mons for phys teams like incin and diancie

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you'd still need to be a little concerned about certain combinations of rarer threats like specific diancie teras + partners, or iron defense bronzong without countermeasures

remote field
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Tried to make some changes

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cloud heath
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And imo even if this is doubles leftovers is better for incen as he switches a lot

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Also put the + on attack

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as you dont have any points on attack

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Also you need something that counters fire

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3 of your mons are weak to it

remote edge
cloud heath
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does it

remote edge
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yes

cloud heath
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if you play it some type of way it doesnt tho I think

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Cause the way I play him leftovers is better cause i played both

remote edge
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leftovers activates at the end of the turn, incin parting shots out frequently

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and sitrus berry is more helpful for healing anyways due to it helping with the faster pace of doubles (altho boots is more common)

cloud heath
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Yea but incen is kinda bulky

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idk js the way I play him leftovers is better

remote edge
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leftovers is only better if you're able to sit on the field for long extended periods

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which incin does not want to do, intimidate and fake out actively want incin to switch out to get their maximum value

torpid moat
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please don't give advice in rmt channels if you're not very knowledgeable in the format

cloud heath
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No im certain that -spe is 100% better

remote edge
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its not

torpid moat
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it's really not

cloud heath
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His job is to safely pivot to other pokemon

remote edge
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that isn't the only thing incin likes to do

torpid moat
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yeah the fake out outspeeding other incin is a very significant factor

torpid moat
remote edge
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blitz and knock can occasionally also be used to pick up kills, and sometimes you want to parting shot out quicky for one reason or another

torpid moat
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I recommended your own lando-i because you really need something to kill opposing incin, having whims, ghold, and pao together makes that a big liability

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and the best way to use sneasler really is coaching, or failing that like an assault vest poison touch set, anything but running acro

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if you want to use sneasler and ghold together on the same team it'd be av sneasler, same ghold, tailwind roaring moon, plus ogerpon-hearthflame as the starting 4, as well as likely landorus-i as the 5th slot

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not having ghold opens up more space for the coaching sneasler comp I recommended earlier

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opaque pulsar
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wait why do i have clear amulet on regigas

rose juniper
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What are you looking for?

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Just one of the rater rating your team or helping to improve it or?

warped kestrel
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helping to improve

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brittle spade
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at least run a fire move on slowking galar so you don't autolose to gholdengo

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ursaluna doesn't want ice punch

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you'd rather have crunch swords dance or substitute

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iron hands wants some spdef, run at least 140spdef instead of hp

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not a fan of no attacks indeedee

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brittle spade
kindred nacelle
brittle spade
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brittle spade
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What are you talking about equipment

kindred nacelle
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Translator fails

rose juniper
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do they even have DOU there?

rose juniper
kindred nacelle
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It has everything

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42k members

brittle spade
rose juniper
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if you want I can take it over since I think ik what hes talking about

brittle spade
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Like, what am I to do with this info

brittle spade
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Gn

rose juniper
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gn

rose juniper
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as in not just current gen dou but natdex?

torpid moat
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equipo means team in Spanish, which often gets mistranslated to equipment

kindred nacelle
torpid moat
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but yeah you are likely not playing actual doubles ou

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is there a problem with the pokepastes ratpacker provided?

peak crypt
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!rule6

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vital elk
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rose juniper
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hey, ill take a quick peek at this

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in 1 sec

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alright

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id say there is some set optimization to be done

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besides that I wouldnt say there is anything explicitly wrong with the team but its also not optimal because of some pokemon choices

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nothing wrong with that if you like using those but its just an observation

vital elk
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I see, which pokemon would you say could be changed?

rose juniper
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depends on what type of team you want to run

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you could swap out volc and kleavor for something standart and call it a day but

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I would also fully understand wanting to go non standart and using volc and or kleavor instead

torpid moat
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I don't think volc should be quiet here regardless btw, but yeah both are niche mons

vital elk
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Preferably i would want to keep kleavor but im open to changing out volcanium.

rose juniper
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alright

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I suggest we first do all the set changes (besides volc since we might swap that out)

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ill give your team a quick touch up and then ill talk you through the reasonings for why I did what

vital elk
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Got it, thanks in advance.

rose juniper
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👍

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alright

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ill go over the changes pokemon by pokemon

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Chien-pao doesnt need double ice stab but rather wants either a non sucker dark move or protect, I personally prefer the non sucker dark move but thats only to be advised if you play very aggresive

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otherwise you can still ofc change it to protect to make it fit your playstyle better

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I made it adamant instead of jolly, jolly is still fine but I think that adamant is overall better in the current meta since the only thing pao outspeeds with jolly is sneasler (unboosted which it rarely is) and other max speed jolly pao

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if you want you can also change that back, its mainly prefrence based

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as for rillaboom

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Rillaboom doesnt need drain punch nor does it need tera blast (its not worth giving rilla an offensive tera besides for tera grass). However it does need glide and U-turn helps with positioning which is important since its a fake out user

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tera fire is overall ime the most beneficial defensive tera for it

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as for incineroar

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I gave it heavy duty boots instead of eject button since you do already have 2 other stealthrock weak pokemon and I gave it a more defensive spread to make it fit its role better of being a supporter

vital elk
rose juniper
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I opted for wisp over knock, can still be knock but overall I think wisp offers more utility

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as for kleavor

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I added a few more EVs to speed so you now outspeed bundle as well, its not common but it is worth outspeeding. I also removed tailwind since its scarfed and nightslash isnt hitting anything meaningful + you already got pao. Instead I gave it U-turn (again positioning) and CC for extra coverage.

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as for Torn

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I think you mightve misclicked on the nature since you had - def instead of - attack on it

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and I gave it protect over sludge since sludge is hitting nothing meaningfull that bleakwind isnt hitting

vital elk
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Oh fr?

vital elk
rose juniper
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it happens

vital elk
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I see.

rose juniper
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as for a new 6th, is there anything you are interested in or do you have nothing in mind?

vital elk
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Not really, the only pokemon on the team I really run because I like is cleavor. Im just looking for the optimal replacement.

rose juniper
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hmmm

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id say there are a few mons you can try

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ogerpon water looks good here

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so does lando-i

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lando-i is nice since it spreads the amount of physical and special attackers a bit move evenly

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choice band Dnite with tera normal Espeed also fits here

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since that is often paired with Pao + glimm (kleavor also works as a glimm replacement)

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those are the first few that jump to my mind

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Dragonite fits not as well in terms of coverage and type management but its sheer power can also justify it at the same time

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id say try these 3

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check if they work for you

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and if not come back here again and either I or other raters will help you think more about it

vital elk
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Alright, i’ll slot them in and see which one works after a couple battles.

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Again thanks for the help.

rose juniper
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do you need spreads for those?

vital elk
rose juniper
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give me a sec

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lando can also be tera poison

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there are many more viable sets for these mons

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if you want some other sets or you wanna experiment a little

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make sure to check out the smogdex and sample teams for sets

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or team dumps

vital elk
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I see, i’ll look for those if I feel I need something different

rose juniper
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sure, if you have any problem finding those just @ me in here

vital elk
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Alright, thanks again.

cloud heath
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What pokemon should i to yhis

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And this

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What pokemon perfectly synergies into this playstyle

brittle spade
cloud heath
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Nah its not

cloud heath
peak crypt
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We are not currently doing Champions DOU rates

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We have a thread but the format is still very new—like a week old new

cloud heath
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Aw dang it

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How about champions ou

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Or js champions in general

torpid moat
cloud heath
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Whaaaat

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So theres no doubles for champion ?

torpid moat
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I'll tell you right away though that your singles team looks like it's using really bad mons

cloud heath
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Oh no nvm

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livid cape
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It's a silly team i made

serene roost
sly fern
halcyon pantherBOT
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torpid moat
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as it stands, you pretty much instantly lose to np ghold with enough support

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for one thing, you should go for flamethrower goodra over flash cannon, maybe sap sipper, and also any item but sash on incin, like sitrus or boots

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and give sinistcha shadow ball over strength sap

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but imo the biggest thing should be to cut amoong, maybe try something like lando-i + waterpon instead over lando t

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thunderbolt over tclap rbolt should also be a serious consideration, tclap is really bad against ghold specifically

torpid moat
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rotom heat is also a really mediocre mon, I really don't recommend it because it's so frail + weak, if you want a fire type scarfer there's always chi-yu

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or better yet you run firepon + something to kill incin like lando-i

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but the biggest issue here is the lack of speed control, dnite isn't a reliable tailwind setter, I recommend tailwind roaring moon (booster energy speed) instead

torpid moat
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team 1 I don't like as much, you probably run waterpon in the amoong slot

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or you cut torn

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there's not much mons here that make good use of dedicated tailwind from torn

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a paonite comp is more likely to use howl gouging for the fastmode option instead

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like pao/dnite/gouging/waterpon/lando-i is a very reasonable 5

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really wanna emphasize how good lando-i is on these types of teams, it's super valuable for answering incin, diancie, glimmora, and okidogi

sly fern
torpid moat
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I'm not sure that team 1 was ever very well constructed

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I'm basically telling you to start fresh with those 5 if you want a solid paonite team

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gouging isn't mandatory on that comp btw

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the main core is dnite, pao, lando-i, waterpon or firepon

sly fern
torpid moat
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ah, lando-i means landorus incarnate, the one with sheer force

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you need a special attacker to not lose to incin or diancie

sly fern
torpid moat
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gholdengo is the other common special attacker on paonite comps, often specs

sly fern
torpid moat
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but yeah I don't recommend incin on that kinda comp either, stacks too many rock weaks

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sandsear is better for sure

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but you can also run like sr or sub or taunt in that slot

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tanky lando-i is also trending a lot recently

sly fern
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maybe something iron hands?

torpid moat
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try okidogi

sly fern
torpid moat
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then rilla

sly fern
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?

torpid moat
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yeah

sly fern
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Landorus @ Life Orb  
Ability: Sheer Force  
Tera Type: Water  
EVs: 132 HP / 80 SpA / 44 SpD / 252 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Earth Power  
- Sludge Bomb  
- Substitute  
- Protect
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nah no worries

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torpid moat
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I wouldn't bother tbh, waterpon glide is pretty weak

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I'm more likely to go wood hammer or something

sly fern
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I had horn leech on it

worldly acorn
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Im lowk considering switching dragonite to baxcalibur for more dmg but i would lose my ground immunity + espeed

final kestrel
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Nines is usually with kyurem and nite is usually with pao. They both usually aren't in the same team due to being different archetypes with different goals.

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Typically with ghol teams you would want some speed advantage whether that be tailwind or not. Torn and roaring moon are good options.

worldly acorn
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Dragonite is there for set up sweep (i choose nite cuz it's a dragon type and bulky)

Ninetails is there for just support and stuff cuz it does a other stuff pretty well even though it dies really fast

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Im trying to find a second pokemon that can set up and sweep other than gholdengo cuz I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket

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Ty though for the suggestions

final kestrel
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If you look at sample teams, ratpacker's team is most ideal to what you are looking for.

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You could probably use cm bolt instead, but i think its fine as it is.

worldly acorn
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Ty, i will check them out later

cloud heath
uneven ridge
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final kestrel
uneven ridge
patent falcon
halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @patent falcon, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexmonotype team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

restive cosmos
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Can someone rate my team for SV doubles OU? I have reached 1500 with it.
https://psim.us/t/1767410

My team seemed to be very weak to Trick Room teams, so I ran Trick Room on Creselia to un-Trick Room in cases where I cannot encore with Whimsicott to reset the field, or I fail to do so. Psychic on Cresselia is specifically for Sneasler. Icy wind is another form of speed control.

whimsicott, i chose d gleam as the damage move becasue fairy seems strong and I wanted more of it. And, the rest is for support and survivability. I am using a defensive tera like in most other mons in the team. Encore is my goat.

Chi-yu is really good. Tera blast is there for water coverage and I do not seem to be using overheat very much so I might need to look at a different move to maximise the potential. Tera water for defence.

Primarina is a coverage offensive type for all the things that Gholdengo and Chiyu don't seem to handle well. Energy ball is there for coverage against water mons. I do not seem to be using calm mind very often.

Glimmora is a really nice. Sometimes, Poison Stall is amazing so mortal spin. I was thinking of running corrosion instead of toxic debris, but I read somewhere that mortal spin will still not work on steel types and toxic seems like a waste of a slot and an ability just to poison steel types for which I have chiyu. Power gem and sludge bomb are for damage although I was using stealth rocks instead of sludge bomb until recently. Then, I got convinced that entry hazards are not as effective in doubles, and if need be toxic debris was there. The sludge bomb also helps deal damage. Havent tera this mon, need type suggestion

Gholdengo seems to be the least reliable of the bunch. It has survivability issues and make it rain lowering SpA seems bad. Shadow ball and Make it rain are STAB, focusblast is kingambit coverage, I just kept it becasue thunder is useful against rain teams. I know that my EV spread is not the best. So, I wanted some suggestions.

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torpid moat
torpid moat
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chi-yu's biggest checks are incineroar, roaring moon, diancie, and anything faster that can kill it like lando-i and waterpon

restive cosmos
torpid moat
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oh give waterpon play rough over horn leech

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I see, torn is usually a better partner because it helps answer lando-i, but up to you

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and waterpon is much more reliable than prima because it outspeeds lando-i

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and rbolt is one of the best chi-yu partners

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gholdengo actually is a pretty good one too, but it's best as nasty plot or specs to better answer trick room

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but I wouldn't ever run chi yu ghold without lando-i for killing incin

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if you're gonna use whims with chi yu, its main advantage is actually fake tears

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are you okay with just lando-i, no torn?

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lando-i is definitely the more important partner because it walls itself too

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and is one of the few easy ways to kill incin properly

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covert cloak is also more helpful for fake out

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if you're dead set on no lando-i, try like av zapdos-galar instead in that slot

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because gapdos is still at least a ground immune that can kill incin

restive cosmos
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Yea. Ogrepon for primarina seems like a good swap. I might also swap out goldengho for raging bolt. Do I do Lando-I for cresselia then?

torpid moat
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yeah

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but if you keep ghold, use this set:

Gholdengo @ Leftovers  
Ability: Good as Gold  
Tera Type: Dragon  
EVs: 248 HP / 40 Def / 112 SpA / 24 SpD / 84 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Make It Rain  
- Shadow Ball  
- Nasty Plot  
- Protect
uneven ridge
torpid moat
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dnite also functions very poorly on psyspam because of the priority blocking

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do you prefer going for semiroom or a tailwind comp?

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tailwind would be like roaring moon/chi yu/crown/indeedee/waterpon/lando i probably

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tailwind + trick room would be like crown/indeedee/okidogi/firepon/blood moon/roaring moon(still tailwind)

uneven ridge
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so could I change out indeedee's heal pulse for trick room?

torpid moat
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yes, that would be the indeedee set

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but I really recommend one of the 6 I suggested or something close

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you can't have sinistcha with crown chi yu, it just makes incin matchup unplayable

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also your defensive evs are inefficient

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as a rule of thumb, you should maximize hp before touching defenses

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unless you're specifically eving for a certain hit or you have a disproportionately high hp stat like iron hands, whose usual spread is 252 atk 252 spdef

uneven ridge
torpid moat
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yes, but with waterpon over sinistcha

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and 252 hp on the indeedee

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in this case it won't be a very heavy tr investment at all, but it is good to have on the indeedee sometimes

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more useful than heal pulse at least

uneven ridge
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Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 200 HP / 124 Atk / 184 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Jolly Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Horn Leech
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield
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try this on waterpon

warm juniper
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mint geyser
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hi, this is my DOU team

Iron Hands @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Fake Out
  • Close Combat
  • Drain Punch
  • Supercell Slam

Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Tailwind
  • Weather Ball
  • Hurricane
  • Wide Guard

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Follow Me
  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Spiky Shield
  • Horn Leech

Tornadus (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Tailwind
  • Hurricane
  • Taunt
  • Icy Wind

Primarina @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Protect
  • Haze
  • Hyper Voice
  • Moonblast

Gholdengo @ Life Orb
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Nasty Plot
  • Make It Rain
  • Protect
  • Shadow Ball
misty venture
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Give peli protect instead of wball

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Change cc to protect

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You might want to try clam on hands instead of booster energy, as incin looks rough for this team

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Also bringing smth more immediately offensive than prim would prob be better, like swift swim kingdra

misty venture
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Tera fairy ghold

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Tera dark torn, for prankster whims

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Tera ground peli

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Tera grass hands

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The prim tera is variable, you could try poison, or stick w water

peak crypt
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never use Supercell Slam

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never ever do that

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you will fire an attack into a Protect and suddenly your tanky Pokemon loses 200 HP

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I don’t think rain is in a particularly good spot in DOU; you could replace a move on Tornadus for Rain Dance and swap out the Pelipper for a stronger Pokemon and the team will run a lot better

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My suggestion would probably be Landorus-I; the team as it stands gets really messed up by Raging Bolt, and Landorus is both a strong Pokemon on its own and an easy answer to Bolt

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Changing the Iron Hands to Assault Vest will also give you a lot more flexibility to switch in on attacks that you don’t want Landorus or Prim eating

remote edge
frank shoal
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serene roost
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should i have low kick or brick break on kinggambit

peak crypt
frank shoal
steel furnace
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hows my team for double ubers

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zoroark's EV:

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frank shoal
steel furnace
torpid moat
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hey, there's many many issues with this team

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are you sure you want to be playing doubles ubers, rather than just removing the urshifu?

steel furnace
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I might need to also change other skills and remove amoongus entirely

torpid moat
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yes, but why not something legal in dou or even duu?

steel furnace
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im pretty new too actually

torpid moat
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I'll tell you straight that the team is too weak even for duu standards

steel furnace
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i've been told so already

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would just like to ask what to improve too

torpid moat
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what were you trying to build around?

steel furnace
torpid moat
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does it have to be gallade, or is another beat up target valid?

steel furnace
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by using maushold to attack him to activate his ability to make gallade get +4k attack

steel furnace
torpid moat
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ok, that I can work with

steel furnace
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thats why I added Urshifu, to make it so that gallade isn't the only one thats beating opponents up

torpid moat
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so basically when building like this you want to choose your format first, then add in mons that are strong in that given format

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instead of bringing your team into dubers where you'll just lose to calyrex shadow or arceus every time

steel furnace
torpid moat
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I think duu is the best place to even consider attempting this

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but gallade is too slow

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the best justified target is terrakion, or in duu maybe virizion

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but let's go terrak for now

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hmm

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terrak/maus starting mons

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oh pult lost beat up

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alright, terrak plus maus

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and then you actually just want to make an otherwise cohesive team

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you already have the main support necessary for the beat up itself, now what you want is speed control and mons to help kill things problematic for terrak

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those problems being primarily metagross and ogerpon-cornerstone

halcyon pantherBOT
torpid moat
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here is the viability rankings for duu if you're interested

steel furnace
torpid moat
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but yeah, terrak + maus start

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your own metagross is a natural addition

steel furnace
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no more gallade?

torpid moat
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yeah terrak is better in every way

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it gets a better speed tier, more bulk, plus spread rock slide

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which is very valuable on your beat up user

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I was debating between terrak and viriz because terrak is stronger in a vacuum, but viriz has some useful traits particular to the duu meta like walling rockpon, not being weak to bullet punch, and powder immune vs brute bonnet

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but +6 rock slide is just that good that I'm going with terrak for now

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if you're still having trouble, come back later and we'll see about a viriz version

steel furnace
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alright

torpid moat
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anyways, terrak/maus/gross

steel furnace
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ill get to team building

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whats metagross usage?

torpid moat
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I'm pretty much making it for you atp

steel furnace
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as a attacker?

torpid moat
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I'm just explaining the process

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yes, gross is a bulky attacker, very useful vs rockpon and enamorus, good typing offensively and defensively, intim immune

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biggest problem for it is volcanion

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anyways, the next most important thing needed is speed control

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normally I'd go enam but you're already quite gross weak

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so instead we'll pick iron jugulis

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faster tailwind is much more valuable than slow, because the speed calculations change mid-turn

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so you run booster speed jug to make sure your other slower mons can go first

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jug is stronger vs gross and about as weak vs rockpon

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terrak/maus/gross/rockpon/jug

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that's 5

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since we're pretty starved for slots and you just want some good catchall answers, your own volcanion here is a natural pick

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middling speed mons like volcanion and gross function the best under tailwind support

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and that's 6 mons

steel furnace
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okok

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tyty

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let me make the team