Smogon Doubles Rates

[sly fern]

ok thx for the help

[glacial vine]

https://pokepast.es/bfa65ab564790aee

Is something can i improve? 😬

[lost bough]

https://pokepast.es/f0b61006319e7e2a
tried building my team around the niche lumina crash with the intended core being u-bloodmoon
so far everything feels okay besides gengar that feels really out of place sometimes, anything i can do regarding that?

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shrewd iron]

The only way I have seen espathra work is with baton pass, but apart from that, scyther and gengar aren't good enough for gen9dou

[lost bough]

i personally picked scyther as a physical attacker incase of really bulky special mons and just for its tailwind and its surprisingly good bulk when paired with eviolite, and so far gengar has been really out of place and i dont know what to replace gengar with
and as for espathra im just using it as a surprisingly good support that occasionally could nuke

[rose juniper]

@lost bough are you looking just for a gengar replacement or do you rather want a bigger overhaul on the entire team?

[lost bough]

i want to see a gengar replacement but an overhaul would be just as interesting, im fine with either of them

[rose juniper]

alright ill take a quick peek

as for the gengar replacement

im not really sure why its there to begin with but if youre looking for a strong ghost type then there are 2 options id say

either gholdengo (special attacker) or basculegion (physical attacker)

ghold has a few sets it can run successfully, those being scarf, specs or nasty plot

Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 100 HP / 44 Def / 252 SpA / 112 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Power Gem
• Trick

Gholdengo @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 40 Def / 112 SpA / 24 SpD / 84 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Dazzling Gleam
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

and

Gholdengo @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Timid Nature

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Thunderbolt
• Trick

if you instead are more looking for a physical guy then go basc who only really has one real set

Basculegion-F @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 28 HP / 252 Atk / 228 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Last Respects
• Aqua Jet
• Flip Turn
• Wave Crash

I would prolly run ghold tho on that team but ill leave that decision with you

and as for the whole team and a potential overhaul

im going to be honest with you, I hope it doesn't come across as mean but I think its better to be honest

the team is really bad

to the point were I would recommend to just scrap it and start over again from scratch

team building can sometimes be rather difficult and it can help a lot to first get a good grasp of the metagame and know which mons are viable (and in which setting) and which mons aren't (no matter the setting)

I would recommend you first try some sample teams (which can be found here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/post-9399767)

and get some experience with DOU

also on a quick side note, you want HP stats to be uneven

as in you rather have an HP stat of 99 then 100

cause of the way pokemon calcs damage

since it always rounds down

that means that you wanna invest 248 EVs in HP rather then 252

@lost bough

I hope it helps and if you wanna start from scratch, I or prolly other raters will be more then happy to help with the building process

[lost bough]

ooh thanks for the feedback and help, i have been trying to get back to team building after a while so im still very much sloppy with it
and i really appreciate the brutal honesty here, many thanks

[rose juniper]

👍

[brittle spade]

Try this https://pokepast.es/40afcccc6932c176

Sry we forgot you
Rain is trash unfortunately
Try something like this, it might work better https://pokepast.es/ac4c4a6cf31b2259

[final robin]

https://pokepast.es/2b552c42225c994e bit of a gimmicky team but fun

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hallow wyvern]

Mfs saw Wolfey use terrain and all of a sudden they wanted to run it

[final robin]

Lmaoooo how’d you know 😭

[brittle spade]

This is asscrack Johnson, it's not even strong enough for duu

If you want to run swamp stuff you should try to build for duu

So no pelipper archaludon calyrex

You're gonna have a horrible time trying to win games in Dubers with that stuff

[final robin]

I linked the wrong team 😭

Had kyogre there not pelipper not too big of a change

[shrewd iron]

You need 5 or 6 Ubers in dubers otherwise you're not going to survive

You can try in VGC

[hallow wyvern]

Not necessarily

Actually it depends on the elo youre trying to reach

You can hit like 1500 maybe with just 2 dubers

[brittle spade]

You can also try to bounce a pear on the ground and call it basketball

[peak crypt]

realistically the lowest I'd go is 3 on fullroom or Ape-room

[final robin]

Do you guys have any suggestions for making gren and serp swamp team work then?

I used Calyrex ice due to the fact it’s low speed wouldn’t matter as much since the swamp would slow the opponents

[torpid moat]

even if you were to run the pledge combo, water pledge mew + grass pledge rilla would be the correct users

mew is a much more useful support mon and gets tailwind as an option it can always use, while rilla cancels eterrain from mirai and is good support as well with fake out/u turn/glide

you don't need both pledge users to be fast, as long as one acts, the second will follow up immediately

[final robin]

I really appreciate it but I do still want to at least use Greninja but I’ll probably replace serp with rilla definitely

[torpid moat]

fine, gren/rilla/ice rider/magearna/kyogre/cm groundceus

mystic water ogre, magearna as a secondary trick room option

[final robin]

Oh ground arceus that seems fun

[brittle spade]

Try this then https://pokepast.es/1dece6e410cdc917

[torpid moat]

hey, this entire team would be dou legal except for shadow tag goth, it can't possibly compete in an ubers-level format on power level

[livid cape]

I also have this one
The mew team is more for funsies and stuff

[livid cape]

But there's nothing to replace shadow tag tho or is there?

That's like the main strategy of the team

So imprison stays on

But dou doesn't allow shadow tag

Unfortunately

[tight spire]

U could use like a ting lu with like sand tomb or something but yeah

Unless you add actual Ubers to that team you can't really use it anywhere

[livid cape]

Well I could try

I don't know if it would work as well as with shadow tag

[strong bobcat]

is there a server for gen 9 double ubers?

[azure vessel]

no but there is a channel for it in the smogon doubles server

[strong bobcat]

cld u send me the invite link?

[halcyon panther]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[torpid moat]

the Doubles OU discord there

[sly fern]

https://pokepast.es/af320eba30632c09 good for a starter? I feel like I really did a bad job for some reason

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worldly acorn]

I just started playing Dou a while ago but getting past 1450 feels really hard for me

https://pokepast.es/49021721376fedb8

Can someone help me improve that team

I think its a bit lacking on the damage side

Im a bit torn between grimmsnarl and Whimsicott but choose grimmsnarl cuz he is tankier

[shrewd iron]

Your team is not bad, I think you need to remove that milotic

You can try ogerpon-water

[worldly acorn]

I use milotic for the tanky speed control and haze

[shrewd iron]

I would also give grimmsnarl parting shot so you can switch into incineroar/rillaboom, see if it's better instead of thunder wave or fake tears

[shrewd iron]

You're lacking damage you don't need that speed control, ogerpon will give you follow me and some pretty good damage

[worldly acorn]

If i remove milotic, i would lack speed control + bulk and would get mauled by faster team pretty easily

Is there sumn i can use to replace landaros instead?

[shrewd iron]

Grimmsnarl teams don't need speed control, you get screens, take less damage and then you hit back

Also slow speed control like milotic, which is getting hit before clicking icy wind isn't good

[worldly acorn]

Alright, thank you

[worldly acorn]

I tried primarina but it dies too easily

[shrewd iron]

Landorus is really strong, I wouldn't change it

[worldly acorn]

If im going with the screens team then should i add both types of screens to my grimmsnarl

[shrewd iron]

Oh yeah, make grimmsnarl reflect/light screen/parting shot/thunder wave

[worldly acorn]

I need one attack though

[shrewd iron]

You don't need need an attack if you can use parting shot and switch into something that does more damage, but you can use spirit break instead of thunder wave if you want

[worldly acorn]

Would light clay or covert cloak be better?

Getting fake out might lead to him dying

[shrewd iron]

Light clay

8 turns is too good to pass

Generally if you get fake out maybe you can fake out back or threaten the thing that is trying to kill it

[worldly acorn]

Mhm fair point

[shrewd iron]

There are not many Pokémon that oneshot grimmsnarl

[worldly acorn]

Im going to try to keep milotic(for the bulk + incineroar counter)

If my team still don't do enough dmg then i'll replace it with ogerpon

[worldly acorn]

What tera would you recommend

[shrewd iron]

Tera grimmsnarl doesn't come up often you can play ghost to dodge fake out and extreme speed

Especially against extreme speed it can be useful but you shouldn't tera it too often since it's a supportive pokemon

[shrewd iron]

Flutter mane is banned in doubles ou

[worldly acorn]

Yup, unfortunate

[topaz heart]

https://pokepast.es/f52041914f11386b im going to be completely honest this is an in game team and the stats aren't 100% accurate but i just need advice on why this team is apparently so bad

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak crypt]

if you're just using this for the Blueberry part of the DLC then who cares

if you're trying to play a competitive format with defined rules though, your Pokemon quality is all over the place and your move choices are pretty subpar

you are also using a Modest Dragapult with max SpA and four physical moves

[topaz heart]

The latter can you tell me whats wrong with it? Ive done a good bit of research on the smogon forms

[topaz heart]

Oh well pff

[peak crypt]

do you want to play Doubles Ubers? or is that just the format that let you put all of these Pokemon together at once

[topaz heart]

Why the heck is phantom force even physical 😭

[topaz heart]

Yes ubers

[torpid moat]

a big part is choosing the correct format

because if you're actually playing doubles ubers, then not even the mewtwo is honestly worth using

[peak crypt]

DUbers is a very high power format and your Pokemon need to be able to match that

[torpid moat]

you will just instantly lose to the power level of dubers mons

[peak crypt]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ubers.3712864/#post-9456565 sample teams just as an example

[topaz heart]

Huh rly?

[torpid moat]

you cannot win without arceus and calyrex etc

[peak crypt]

Mewtwo has been power crept pretty hard over the years

it can't keep up with stuff like Miraidon and Calyrex, and even struggles against some of the lesser used Pokemon in the format

[topaz heart]

Sad to see the guy go i hunted forever for the shiny one :c

[topaz heart]

Yeaa that has become very obvious now he gets ohko'd by like everything

[torpid moat]

if you want to keep the majority of the mons you would have to play DOU

[peak crypt]

you could also go one further down to DUU

you'll lose Mewtwo and Incineroar, but Dragapult, H-Samurott, and Maushold can hold their own a bit better in that format

(there may be no saving the Furret unfortunately)

[topaz heart]

Ah alr ty yall and sorry for the kinda silly team

[torpid moat]

there are also various other set issues

like maushold's main role is as a follow me user

so it could do everything the furret is currently doing to completely replace it

hisui samurott needs to be sharpness for the 1.5x damage boost

[mellow plume]

https://pokepast.es/f5f2fa20e2017d26 is this good tryna do a ghost mono team but idk if its good enough or if it needs some chnages

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak crypt]

Aegislash isn't even in SV

[mellow plume]

Nah it’s not for sv it’s for sum else

[torpid moat]

assuming no mon swaps allowed, the sets seem reasonable enough, though there's not much we can say if it's not a real format

[sly fern]

https://pokepast.es/af320eba30632c09 good for a starter? I feel like I really did a bad job for some reason

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose juniper]

ill tap into this rq, I used to main Dubers but I stoped paying too much attention to it in gen 9 so take that how you want

you might still be better off with yellow paint but for what its worth heres what I think

id say your team is combining 2 elements here that are not easy to pull off in the gen 9 meta

TR and the amount of non Dubers

I personally felt that TR is in gen 9 at its weakest, mainly because of the amount of power creep where its now mainly clayrex ice as the one and only big TR sweeper

meanwhile stuff like miraidon, koraidon and caly shadow are all mons you miss out on

making it just a bit harder to fill those other 5 slots with stuff that can rival that power

meanwhile you are also 2 pokemon that rely quite a bit on terrain with indeedee and amoonguss

while amoonguss doesn't rely on terrain to be up it does ofcourse get halted in its tracks when electric terrain is up and with miraidon being a top 3 usage (idk if thats really the case but it feels like it) its more often there then not

and ofcourse indeedee's main reason to be on a team is because of terrain and follow me

I get the idea of having amoonguss in and then switching in indeedee next to it to override the E terrain and use spore but then you are left with 2 sitting ducks on the field and it might not be super consistent

you are also running ursaluna which while very strong is not Dubers strong id say

I don't mean that in raw power output

[peak crypt]

this is pretty much the standard DUbers fullroom tbh

[rose juniper]

since it does have that but more in general

[rose juniper]

as I said I did kinda tap out at gen 9 when it comes to Dubers

eitherway I can imagne this team lacking a bit of power in dubers

[peak crypt]

I don’t love Leech Seed Calyrex here, I think you just want another attack

maybe CC to hit Arceus particularly hard

[rose juniper]

imma gonna leave this to you arctic, since I think youre prolly more experienced with gen 9 Dubers then I am (and I gtg)

[peak crypt]

Leech Seed Caly isn’t bad but it really wants a team that can give it the space to just sit there and drain, and this team isn’t that

[sly fern]

ye I do understand what you mean, I did say that I felt like I did a bad job since the team seemed pretty lacking in power

[peak crypt]

That’s just how DUbers fullroom is

The “dishonest” versions will usually run Annihilape or Smeargle to get easier boosts on Magearna or Calyrex

[sly fern]

btw can I run something else other then close combat, I feel the only reason calyrex-ice is as bulky as it is it's because of it's stats, lowering them will make it painfully vulnerable

[peak crypt]

If you’re clicking a move other than Glacial Lance, you’re probably behind anyway

Close Combat is there to break through a couple specific Pokemon that are very good and Glacial Lance is there for everything else

Close Combat has a shot at outright killing Incineroar’s standard DOU spread and will turn anything bulkier into paste

[sly fern]

ok then btw what do you think of magearna set, it feels wonky to me for some reason

[peak crypt]

High Horsepower will never kill even a 252/0 Incineroar and you’ll eat a Knock Off, Will-o-Wisp for your trouble

I would drop Draining Kiss and Calm Mind for Flash Cannon and Protect

Magearna gets free boosts naturally, you don’t need to try to boost further

[sly fern]

can I switch for aura sphere instead? or do I need flash cannon

[peak crypt]

Flash Cannon is a bigger hit on opposing Caly-Ice

Trick Room is generally more comfortable eschewing coverage for power

[sly fern]

ok then, btw by far what is most common archetype?

[peak crypt]

Goodstuff

Pick six of like the top 10 Pokemon, including your favorite flavor of Arceus, and hit the ladder

[sly fern]

so just strong ubers mon spam😭

[peak crypt]

Usually manifests as some sort of offense just because of the sheer power of Pokémon like Calyrex, Miraidon, and Ekiller Arceus

Yeah

You’ll also see a lot of rain but I think rain is a little on the weaker end

[sly fern]

ok then so I'm guessing trick room is a good counter since most of those threats are super speedy strong mons?

[peak crypt]

I wouldn’t call it a counter—Zamazenta is a common Pokemon on these teams that can slow down your aggression with Wide Guard, and Incineroar is around to attempt to disrupt your attackers as well

I think TR is in the “if you want to play it, play it” spot

It’s not really better than goodstuff but it isn’t bad

[sly fern]

ok then thx for the help, seriously doubted that the team was even good 😔

[torpid moat]

semiroom goodstuffs is also better than trying to commit to full tr

like you run a tighter package with ice rider and magearna but then you add goodstuffs instead of luna/lunala

[sly fern]

wait like what?

[torpid moat]

ice rider magearna incin say

and then mirai and arceus +1

it ends up just being an ice rider team instead of a tr team

[sly fern]

ok quick request if you can, do you have a team that is either a full tr or semi? I really wanna get my skills so I can make teams more comfortably

[torpid moat]

check out some of the ice rider teams from bagel's teamdump: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ubers.3712864/post-10566919

the lunala kyogre one for example

some of them use too many non-uber-non-supports for my taste and might've been carried a little by bagel just being a really good player, but they're all well-constructed

[slow ibex]

https://pokepast.es/5bdd794639b51411

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brittle spade]

it's not going to get much better regarding rain teams but it's very weak to snow

rain isnt very good

you could fit this on the team to improve the snow matchup
Kingambit @ Assault Vest
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 180 HP / 112 Atk / 56 SpD / 160 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Kowtow Cleave
• Sucker Punch
• Iron Head
• Low Kick

[tacit slate]

Hi! I was wondering if anyone had any advice on my Doubles OU team, I'm pretty new to competitive. I've been having some success, but I'm obviously very weak to fire and ground. Any other glaring issues I should fix?

https://pokepast.es/0d19e319362a7fb5

[brittle spade]

what you're weak to is actually opposing nasty plot gholdengo

you have three mons that can't touch it and the other three can't really break through the partners it commonly runs

try this https://pokepast.es/dcc2d7ffda2d500b

adding a trick room user to your team will make a big difference

[tacit slate]

Thank you so much!

[brittle spade]

alternatively you could probably keep your original baxcalibur set and run a tailwind user over the porygon2

like roaring moon

[high jackal]

Rate my team:
Maushold-Four @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Population Bomb
• Baton Pass
• Bullet Seed
• Tidy Up

Calyrex-Shadow @ Life Orb
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Astral Barrage
• Draining Kiss
• Baton Pass
• Stored Power

Miraidon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Electro Drift
• Draco Meteor
• Dragon Pulse
• Overheat

Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature

• Acrobatics
• Hydro Pump
• Ice Beam
• Tailwind

Archaludon @ Magnet
Ability: Stamina
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Aura Sphere
• Flash Cannon
• Stealth Rock

Mew @ Light Clay
Ability: Synchronize
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Transform
• Imprison
• Reflect
• Light Screen

[alpine wasp]

Hello everyone :D. Can maybe someone give me some advice for my Doubles OU team? Im very new to competitive(by new i mean i started today lol) and wanted to get some feedback from people more knowledgeable in the community. My team is pretty weak against Grass and Fairy so i tried giving my pokemon Tera Types that would be immune or super effective against them. Anything i should improve on or fix? https://pokepast.es/f298154b895f35c9

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tight spire]

Well I'm assuming this is forgetting but the Pelipper here has protect and a choice scarf

The Pelipper has a pretty lousy moveset overall and should be using Hurricane over airslash (as hurricane is 100% accurate in rain) and maybe having weather ball would allow it to use water STAB in rain

I feel like Kingambit probably may want something like swords dance (though there is the issue of psychic terrain making it less useful for that purpose)

Maybe the Ferligatr could run something other than crunch, I don't see much benefit to using it outside of just using your water STAB. Perhaps you could use Dragon Dance for set up. Or Psychic Fangs to counter screens

[tardy gyro]

https://psim.us/t/1468535 this my team for DOU do I use tyranatar or do I keep hippowdon?

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[torpid moat]

ttar is definitely the better pokemon, but you're trying way too hard to run sand immunities

the sand chip is basically neglible besides sashes, the main purpose is to active sand rush and cancel sun/snow

if you run so many rock/ground/steel you're just going to make something incredibly unbalanced that loses to lando-i/waterpon/hands or dogi etc

[tardy gyro]

Do I need to use tyranatar speed iv or tank?

[torpid moat]

evs, not ivs, but yes ttar should be max hp minimum

here's an example of a more balanced sand team from code's team dump: https://pokepast.es/38318156e1600c0a

note the number of lando and waterpon and hands/dogi checks, plus speed control option in sinistcha

sand doesn't necessarily need to be semiroom, but even a more straightforward offense should be running more mons like waterpon

[tardy gyro]

Ye but keep in mind I don't play this game often Im at 1100 elo

[peak crypt]

and?

[tardy gyro]

I never even seen waterpon

[tardy gyro]

I switch ogarpon for zapdois?

[brittle spade]

I'm not giving it a very good rating. The mons you're using are too weak for Dubers. Try this instead, I kept the team idea :
https://pokepast.es/4f16925d1e2950a9

[turbid fiber]

https://pokepast.es/3c4df33192340d49

Can y'all rate my team? Kinda new to Competitive. Been watching some videos to help my teambuilding but I've been having some struggles against some teams.

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brittle spade]

This is far too weak for a competitive team in the Dubers format. To be consistent there you need to incorporate the strong mons like calyrex arceus and the other legendaries

Your current team just can't deal with miraidon + zamazenta for example

[high jackal]

Maushold-Four @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Population Bomb
• Play Rough
• Bullet Seed
• Tidy Up

Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature

• Acrobatics
• Hydro Pump
• Ice Beam
• Tailwind

Archaludon @ Magnet
Ability: Stamina
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Aura Sphere
• Flash Cannon
• Stealth Rock

Mew @ Light Clay
Ability: Synchronize
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Transform
• Imprison
• Reflect
• Light Screen

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Dazzling Gleam
• Hex
• Make It Rain
• Poltergeist

Grimmsnarl (M) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick
• Light Screen
• Reflect
• Parting Shot

Is this good?

[peak crypt]

Archaludon is banned in DOU

beyond that though... still no

the Pokemon choices are mostly okay (Maus isn't great) but the sets are incredibly weak

Poltergeist is a physical move

obviously a team built around Archaludon isn't really going to be salvageable, since the entire focus of the team is illegal, but even beyond that there isn't really much here worth saving; if you have other ideas we can help work on them, but if not, I'd strongly consider just using sample teams for a bit until you understand set construction a little better

@high jackal

[waxen solstice]

I think Chatot will ignore me because I’m on the VGC comp helper list but

https://pokepast.es/4a6c88c905688eb0

been having the urge to try the DOU meta for a while now and decided it’s time to actually do it 🔥 so here’s some Hearthflame Drago because it’s a fun archetype I don’t get the chance to play in VGC cause I don’t have an Iron Crown

Chatot doesn’t care about me so I’ll wait for a response while I dine, please ping when y’all read ty
and maybe sleep soon so worst case scenario I’ll read tmrw morning

[shrewd iron]

@waxen solstice hi, I'm the writer of the regidrago analysis in dou, I would say this is a well built team so congrats

Consider switching psychic to imprison on farigiraf if you are laddering and finding hard trick room difficult

I would also change safety googles because amoongus isn't that common and bypassing rage powder doesn't come up often

[lunar thunder]

hi, this is my first team for doubles, it might not be much since im still a beginer in competitive but i hope it is decent, sorry if this is not the right place to share it 😅 https://pokepast.es/867a828d3681094d

[waxen solstice]

Aa ty

Yea I considered Imprison when checking the Smogon sets and then decided I’d leave it for a Rater to tell me which one was better, I’ll test both lines then

Didn’t know Amoong was rare tho ty

What item on Farig then? Sitrus?

There’s also Throat Spray for Hyper Voice in VGC but idk if that’s real here at all

So idk lol

[shrewd iron]

Yeah throat spray is good

Sitrus is also fine

[waxen solstice]

Ah cool, ty

Ait will test the diff farig versions, ty

[tardy gyro]

https://psim.us/t/1471827 is this team good?

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tardy gyro]

its houndstone speed because he gets sandrush

are there changes i can make to upgread it

or is this around the best it can be

[brittle spade]

I run this personally https://pokepast.es/10d4d27d1f4b8075

Your version looks decent

I recommend the EVs I'm using for primarina as it'll let you live Tera normal ESpeed from Dragonite paired with Chien pao.

Wisp is nice to have

Also your sinistcha has Atk EVs for some reason

[tardy gyro]

i only tera houndstone so normel primarina

dragonite not primarina

[brittle spade]

What?

You shouldn't be playing planning to always Tera the same mon

You also don't need to run that much speed on incineroar

Reaching 204 is way enough

[tardy gyro]

ye but big stab is fun

[tardy gyro]

why tailwind you already have fast mons so why even faster

[brittle spade]

You do you, we're just giving you advice for a competitive team

[brittle spade]

Because the opponent may also use tailwind

And sometimes I want my tyranitar to outspeed some things

[tardy gyro]

i uselay switch it out first turn

[brittle spade]

You don't have to

[tardy gyro]

to make sure it dont die

[peak crypt]

If the only thing you’re using TTar for is a sand bot then you’re not taking full advantage of your party

Same with only using Tera on the dog

Your team rewards flexibility a lot; by always leading and switching TTar and always using the same Tera, you are cutting yourself off from good plays

you also seem to have misunderstood ratpacker a bit—the Primarina EV spread he uses should survive your opponent’s Tera Normal Dragonite’s Extreme Speed

[sly fern]

https://pokepast.es/4d6356953c3a06b1 people is this good?

[torpid moat]

imo this stacks fire/grass a little too much, you're gonna have trouble with opposing rbolt or incin or various dragon tera like ghold

you can pretty reasonably replace chi yu with a lando i to help cover that

[sly fern]

I actually won't lie I did have lando before chi yuu but was greedy for the damage

[torpid moat]

and you're not having trouble with diancie or incin or bolt?

or opposing lando

[sly fern]

only incin and bolt are a problem to me, ye half the team is weak to rock but rilla can really threaten it so mostly playing smart saves me

[torpid moat]

the trouble is when it's dragon diancie with good support or something, again lando is the easiest solution to a lot of those issues

I guess another choice is cutting incin because you have so much overlap, but replacements are kinda tough still

hey, there's a few main issues here, but the biggest is that the team is really unbalanced and there's a few pretty mediocre mons here

you're trying too hard to lean into sand, when a proper sand team should just have 1 sand rush mon + ttar and not much other direct synergy

sand chip damage is mostly irrelevant, it's not worth running a bunch of mons that are gonna make you lose to chien pao or lando-i or rillaboom

sylv, flygon, and mowtom are the big weak links here, but garchomp could be easily replaced by excadrill on sand because sand rush is so powerful

and ghold is a very strong mon but it doesn't work well on sand as it just stacks weaknesses

as another note, sylveon does not learn trick room, so your team is pretty lacking in speed control too

here's a more balanced sand team I linked earlier, you could probably still add sylv here over prima maybe: https://pokepast.es/38318156e1600c0a

sylv has redeeming traits as it's a strong fairy attacker in a format that doesn't have many

you would pair it with good speed control and probably some redirection to use it for max benefit

here's a sylv team from bagel that I think is built really well: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9doublesou-896389

flygon is pretty trash and is outclassed in nearly every way by a ton of other ground types

if you were to use it then it'd probably be as a tailwind setter with earthquake or something

or a clear amulet scale shot eq set

you could try squeezing tailwind flygon over the roaring moon + lando i slots on bagel's team

but you'd definitely still need some secondary form of speed control if so

[left rover]

https://pokepast.es/336e83cca69ff1ce i should probably add a water type to this

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose juniper]

let me take a quick peek

@left rover so whats the point of the team? Do you just wanna have fun with your favourite guys or are you aiming for a very competitive team or something else?

[left rover]

ori and volc synergy and i just threw on four other mons

[rose juniper]

so its meant to be competitive?

[left rover]

i guess? im really bad at making teams lmao

[rose juniper]

alright, in that case there is a lot to change. If im completely honest with you, I would recommend against dancer cheese since its not really that good, it will function on low to lower average ladder but with that everything is said

so if you want we can work with the dancer team and see what we can turn it into but if youre really aiming for higher levels of competitiveness

I would recommend playing around with some samples instead

to give a good perspective on the meta and teambuilding

[left rover]

i really like ori buti know their stats are really not there

[rose juniper]

well if we keep it a dancer team I would start with just volc and ori and going from there again (ill help if you want)

also is it specificly the red ori you like or is any form fine?

[left rover]

any form is fine i just use red ori so firey dance is stab

[rose juniper]

alright, I would suggest to switch it over to the yellow ori (pom pom) since that helps a bit better with coverage

deals with both water and flying (kinda) which are ofc 2 types volc is weak to

[left rover]

and i heard like hurricane is good on ori too?

[rose juniper]

well

that depends, are you willing to risk the miss or not

since you can't really run volc on rain

[left rover]

i mean probably not

do i use air slash instead then?

[rose juniper]

id go with something like this

https://pokepast.es/f84141c7786f5686

baton pass could also be tailwind, tw is prolly more consistent but if youre going the cheesy route you might as well go all the way

as for the teras and EVs

https://pokepast.es/212bc9c27f0c2b21

maybe something along these lines

as a quick side note

I was looking back at an older teambuilding competition who had volcarona for that week

and this is a pretty decent team

https://pokepast.es/1a3e23fed20c11a0

no dancer but it does feature volc

[left rover]

do you think i get away with replacing latios with ori lmao

[rose juniper]

yeah sure, won't be as good but if you want dancer thats the mon id replace on that team

I would give it TW over baton pass tho for that version

[left rover]

who would you reccommend replacing for ori?

[rose juniper]

https://pokepast.es/6596441277ddaa7f

[rose juniper]

I would prolly go lati

but otherwise lando or grimm prolly

grimm is nice for the extra volc support but if you find that it isn't preforming to your liking you can always swap it out

I would just play around a bit with it and kinda edit it based on your experiences with the team

[left rover]

i mean im in like super low ladder so i think itl work out for me for right now

yeah

thanks for your help!

[rose juniper]

ofcourse, happy to help and gl with the team

[left rover]

someone immediately ragequit as soon as i heatwave fakeouted their A-Ninetails

[hybrid perch]

https://pokepast.es/972d685702a5cbcb

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose juniper]

I can take a quick peek now

[hybrid perch]

context: I just build this team with 1 other person. I just started playing and wanted to build around dragonite scale shot

[rose juniper]

alright

dragonite is certainly a good pokemon in doubles and while I prefer the Espeed banded set this is also certainly viable

[hybrid perch]

banded?

[rose juniper]

are there any pokemon (besides Dnite) that can absolutely not go?

[rose juniper]

choice band

its prolly the most common set for Dnite

where you run Espeed

[hybrid perch]

no, there all replacable I can tell you the thought procces with a post which I used

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scale-shot-dragonite.3750489/

amoonguss was to protect the dragonite and support it

[rose juniper]

real quick

that post was writen for OU not Dou

[hybrid perch]

that mkes sense now

ok

[rose juniper]

eitherway

[hybrid perch]

but the team itself is still mostly my choices

[rose juniper]

what do you want, do you want to take a look at just the sets and EVs or do you also want to take a look at replacing pokemon?

[hybrid perch]

iron treads was against stealth rock

[hybrid perch]

the pokemon itself

and the roles they fill

[rose juniper]

okay

in that case I suggest we start from scratch with just Dnite

[hybrid perch]

alrighty

[rose juniper]

cause this looks more like a singles team then a doubles team atm

[brittle spade]

the dragonite set is fine

like, you could run that

[hybrid perch]

just started, so I dont really know what makes sometihng a singles team

[brittle spade]

treads valiant need to go though

[rose juniper]

personally I feel lando could also go but that guy is real in dou

btw packer

[brittle spade]

lando could go yes

[rose juniper]

do you wanna take this?

[brittle spade]

dnite lando is not good into snow

[brittle spade]

no im gonna eat

[rose juniper]

alr nws

[hybrid perch]

like go away or go into the team lol

[brittle spade]

you should advise some gouging fire cores tho

imo

[rose juniper]

yeah, I was trying to look for some already existing teams with it

to give some refrence material

[brittle spade]

i have one actually

[rose juniper]

yeah I found it

https://pokepast.es/c165d84abfaa9423

[brittle spade]

https://pokepast.es/5306e29719392f61

[rose juniper]

eitherway music, if you don't like the result of whatever we come up with you can always take a look at this team

[brittle spade]

its a tad weak for tour play but its decent

[rose juniper]

oh we got 2 teams

nice

eitherway back to the RMT and the original build

[hybrid perch]

ye

rmt?

[rose juniper]

thats this, Rate My Team

[hybrid perch]

oh yeah

[rose juniper]

eitherway for a start id make the following cuts

https://pokepast.es/4cbf3044073aed2d

so youre just left with these 3

and then I think rilla could also go (for now, he is good, could be added back later but for now he could go)

[hybrid perch]

okay

[rose juniper]

also as a quick side note

when doing the HP EVs

make sure you end up with an uneven HP stat

[hybrid perch]

why?

[rose juniper]

makes that you take a bit less from for example entry hazards (stuff like stealth rocks). Because pokemon always rounds down

[hybrid perch]

ooh

okay, noted

[rose juniper]

also in doubles, protect is a very valuable move

[hybrid perch]

instead of encore im guessing then?

[rose juniper]

yeah I would advise that

https://pokepast.es/9baa96231245a809

the amoong set is unchanged btw, thats a good set but I just made it as slow as it can go

incase you fight trickroom

Ratpacker suggested we add a gouging fire and I agree with that

but that would make us a bit stealthrock weak

so I think a glimmora would also help with that to remove hazards

[hybrid perch]

but if i were to want to get this team in pokemon violet, how would I get gouging fire?

[rose juniper]

do you got the DLC?

[hybrid perch]

ye

[rose juniper]

which version do you got?

scarlet or violet

[hybrid perch]

violet

i mean it's a detail but nevertheless

wait ur dutch?

[rose juniper]

you can catch it after the first DLC I believe

yeah

[hybrid perch]

same

[rose juniper]

oke dan gaan we lekker in t nederlands verder haha

[hybrid perch]

but like all the terms ar eenglish so id think that's easier

[rose juniper]

sure

[hybrid perch]

alr

so we now have 2 mon

[rose juniper]

4 right?

[hybrid perch]

oh, rillaboom and gouging

yeah\

mb

[rose juniper]

I would swap rilla out for glimm tho

https://pokepast.es/72d99cb3aeee5eb3

to help with hazards

its a decent core but we are missing stuff to take advantage of goug

so we want some more phys sweepers

you could also if you don't mind going full phys take this team

https://pokepast.es/58014619db232375

and make the Dnite scale shot

its a bit standart but I do love the team

and you keep the rilla

[hybrid perch]

and without the amoonguss then

and the team isnt build around the dragonite having those moves?

so I could give it the moveset I had originally

[rose juniper]

if you want

[rose juniper]

no but it can still work

eitherway if you rather stick to the amoong set

we can also make that work

[hybrid perch]

I dont have to, I think it might be better to build one myself since then I undertand the roles of the pokemon better

[rose juniper]

fair

[hybrid perch]

if I use this idk what pokemon to use what for

so I need 2 more solid pokemon

[rose juniper]

yeah preferably physical, so they can also benefit from goug

the one thing I do worry about tho is the lack of solid speed control

[hybrid perch]

why is that?

[rose juniper]

goug main function is howl spam

[hybrid perch]

so trick room user then right? Speed control means going faster?

[rose juniper]

or tailwind

but you can also make it work without but that would require some bulky pokemon, like ting lu

I would advise against TR

your team is not made for that

cause you wanna use scaleshot

[hybrid perch]

good point

what are some good bulky pokemon?

[rose juniper]

ting lu

rillaboom

[hybrid perch]

and why do bulky pokemon give speed control?

[rose juniper]

they don't but they make that its less needed

if you were to run frailer pokemon then you would need to move fist because otherwise you don't get enough milage out of em

[hybrid perch]

so I would need something like taunt on a bulky pokemon

[rose juniper]

no?

[hybrid perch]

okay

[rose juniper]

you just use the bulk as a way to make up for the lack of speed

[hybrid perch]

okayyy

so I should then look at what bulky pokemon fits best typing-wise?

I think rillaboom's grass type works great

[rose juniper]

I would suggest you just try a few things out but you can try this as a starter:

https://pokepast.es/b13790bf4f25cece

rilla is a nice fit but then you would prolly wanna remove amoong for oger

they can fill a very similair role but this oger isn't weak to fire but rather counters it

[hybrid perch]

but then how would I keep my dragonite alive as wel as I could with amoonguss

[rose juniper]

If you don't find that oger gives you the same result you can switch back, however its not just about keeping dnite alive

Generally going all in on 1 pokemon doesn't pay off greatly

[hybrid perch]

okay, then I should like knock out a few pokemon with dragonite but switch if something threatening comes up?

and what would a good lead be with this team?

[rose juniper]

Thats depending on the opposing team, there is not always 1 correct lead, thats something you'll just have to do based on experience

[hybrid perch]

alright

so this is a well rounded team?

and could you also briefly tell me the roles of the pokemon

[rose juniper]

Well rounded enough, glimm is here to set your own hazards and remove them on your side of the field, oger is here to help with fire types and to redirect for dnite, dnite is set up, ting helps with bulk and can use whirwind to phaze out opposing set up and rilla helps with overall positioning with glide and fake out and goug is there for howl support

I gtg now, gl with the team

[hybrid perch]

thx

[flat steppe]

https://pokepast.es/ebb6dfc934a66ba0 Hoopa

[brittle spade]

You can't have your whole team below 150 speed and only one trick room setter. Things aren't going to go well otherwise

I'd suggest either having a choice scarf pokemon, a second trick room user or changing the team a bit to include a tailwind user

Your call

[flat steppe]

Ok

[fallen breach]

does anyone have any advice for how i can improve this team while keeping the main thing as bronzong trick room bulldoze with steel ting-lu to trigger weakness policy
https://pokepast.es/3a74a2425de9b42e

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brittle spade]

Why Tera steel, fire or poison are a straight up upgrade since they let you hit grass and bug

And you're not presenting double steel type to your opponent

[fallen breach]

bulldoze is super effective, it allows me to activate policy and lowers speed which is good in trick room

i was just wondering about the rest of the team tbh, them 2 are the only ones rlly holding up

[brittle spade]

Bulldoze is also super effective on poison and fire

[fallen breach]

i guess but bronzong doesnt do a lot of damage

[brittle spade]

What?

All im suggesting is to change the Tera type on ting lu for something strictly better

[fallen breach]

but what about steel type damage output

although i could change to fire

[brittle spade]

???? What about it

Poison and fire both have much better offensive presence paired with ground

[fallen breach]

and what about the rest of the team, what should I change

[brittle spade]

Run protect on hatterene, 128def and covert cloak

Tera fighting on bronzong

Tera fire or water on hatterene

Sitrus Berry on brute bonnet

[fallen breach]

any member changes?

[brittle spade]

The six are okayish

[torpid moat]

it depends how competitive you actually want them to be

[brittle spade]

Amoonguss might be slightly better over bonnet

Since you specifically want your gimmick to work the six are fine

[torpid moat]

if it were up to me I'd build starting with zong ting lu diancie

[fallen breach]

I havent considered that

[torpid moat]

and then make a semiroom comp instead with waterpon and incineroar

but that would be a different team

[brittle spade]

That's not good enough into gholdengo

He'd need like moltres

[torpid moat]

I don't recommend hatt without indeedee though, or bonnet

I think ting lu + incin is a decent enough starting point

it's a better ghold matchup than running hatt

[brittle spade]

There's torkoal

Which patches that

You'd have to burn the Tera on hatt to set tr tho

[fallen breach]

So wait, if I add Diancie, who should I replace

[torpid moat]

hatt

[fallen breach]

does it get trick room?

[torpid moat]

it does yes

[fallen breach]

I guess i can try make a good build with it, ive never used diancie before

[torpid moat]

it can be a second wp mon if you wanna lean more into the gimmick

with tera fire blast to help with ghold some more

[fallen breach]

do you have a specific build I should use?

[torpid moat]

252 hp 252 atk brave diamond storm/tera blast/trick room/protect with WP

but I'm not sure how frequently you'd want to tera diancie vs the ting lu

I agree ting lu should be poison though

[fallen breach]

poison over fire?

[torpid moat]

fighting resist is very important

potentially doesn't need tera blast on it

[fallen breach]

what should I use?

[torpid moat]

I'd say eq/stomping tantrum/dark move/protect

[fallen breach]

and then I swap bonnet for amoongus?

[torpid moat]

yeah, spore/rage powder/pollen puff for sure

with sitrus berry

still checking for last move, potentially you'd want a second wp activator

potentially just giga drain

shouldn't be too much damage

but absorb if you wanna be cute

[fallen breach]

okay, thanks

[tacit sun]

so you guys rate teams and yk im new to this so yk chill

[main merlin]

might wanna turn this into a paste

[tacit sun]

god damn bro

yo just keep flamming me im sorry yo😭

[main merlin]

its not me flaming u its me asking u to turn this into a pokepaste instead of a screenshot

[tacit sun]

you know what im so sorry Reuniclus @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Overcoat
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Ally Switch
• Endeavor
• Expanding Force

Ursaluna @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Facade
• Body Press
• Headlong Rush
• Ice Punch

Incineroar @ Quick Claw
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Parting Shot
• Fire Punch
• Thunder Punch
• Taunt

Cresselia (F) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Expanding Force
• Dazzling Gleam
• Moonblast
• Solar Beam

Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature

• Chilling Water
• Seed Bomb
• Weather Ball
• Wide Guard

Ninetales @ Bright Powder
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Disable
• Heat Wave
• Night Shade
• Baton Pass

like this?

[torpid moat]

yeah thanks

[main merlin]

in a pokepaste link, go to the bottom of ur team and press upload to pokepaste

and paste here the url

[torpid moat]

there's a lot of set issues here, but I'll bring up the main misunderstanding

[tacit sun]

im listining

[torpid moat]

so usually, weather setters are just really trash mons, and they're only worth using if you have enough legit mons that care about that weather to be worth using

[tacit sun]

https://pokepast.es/9dc18ec078407b78

[tacit sun]

ok right

[torpid moat]

but adding multiple different weathers is almost never correct, you're just increasing the amount of bad mons on your team with no payoff

[tacit sun]

fairs

[torpid moat]

you aren't really getting much benefit from either weather here either, you'd definitely just cut tales and peli completely

[tacit sun]

ok ok

[torpid moat]

next one is that you seem to be running expanding force without psychic terrain

[tacit sun]

so indeede-F?

[torpid moat]

cress also doesn't make sense on psyspam tr because it levitates and doesn't receive the benefits of terrain

[tacit sun]

uh huh

[torpid moat]

and reuniclus is kind of a bad mon, I recommend necrozma as a better bulky eforce mon

[tacit sun]

really? wow

[torpid moat]

if you do keep reuni, you definitely shouldn't run goggles on it, overcoat already fully covers goggles effect

[tacit sun]

true

well thanks man

[torpid moat]

let me see if I have a necro team that would make sense here

https://pokepast.es/93b42bc52b80c268

here's one that is a tailroom team, meaning using both trick room and tailwind for speed control

it leans faster than what you currently have but you basically make your choice of speed control depending on the opponent's team and the current situation

[tacit sun]

thanks man im learning

[torpid moat]

here's one that combines sun with trick room properly using torkoal + after you lilligant, and has hoopa-u instead of necro for more offense: https://pokepast.es/640a0e84a0fb903b

[tacit sun]

i love you

[main merlin]

u can download and share replasy without doing that btw

[tacit sun]

can i now?

[main merlin]

ye

[gritty junco]

My first ever doubles team! Sorry I know it’s probably not good
Incineroar (F) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Protect
• Parting Shot
• Knock Off

Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Lunar Dance
• Light Screen
• Reflect
• Icy Wind

Arcanine @ Eject Button
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Crunch
• Will-O-Wisp
• Raging Fury

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Stone Edge
• Stomping Tantrum
• Hammer Arm

Gothitelle @ Ability Shield
Ability: Shadow Tag
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Psychic
• Heal Pulse
• Helping Hand

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Effect Spore
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Toxic
• Foul Play

[torpid moat]

hey, not sure what format this is, but shadow tag is illegal, and you're running far too many support mons regardless

[gritty junco]

It was OU
My original team had chi yu but I swapped it out for gothitelle to keep the 3 intimidates I’d get from swapping from incin to arcanine, having arcanine get hit for eject button, and back to incin

Since there were too many fire types

[torpid moat]

yeah there's a ton of overlap here too with mons/types

incin/arc, goth/cress all basically do the same thing

and having this much intimidate will make you instantly lose to okidogi or kingambit (after tera)

[gritty junco]

Really? I feel like I made incin and arcanine different, with arcanine being more offensive and incin being more of a disrupter

[torpid moat]

the strongest dou physical attackers also have ways of ignoring intimidate, whether that's clear amulet or an immunity ability like clear body diancie or inner focus dragonite

you should look into running attackers with complementary typing like ursaluna or diancie

you can see mon choices/sample structures here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-doubles-ou-viability-rankings.3710905/

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/

[sly fern]

https://pokepast.es/adcd22f789955894 guys ik I likely already posted this team already but how can I make it less weak to trickroom? like it's playable but gets really tricky with a good player

[halcyon panther]

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[sly fern]

I feel like I kinda lose to any comptent player with farig

[torpid moat]

you can run lando i or goltres > lando t, I don't think you need something blazing fast like scarf with a sneasler already

and if goltres you can prob fit like throat chop instead of acro

[sly fern]

what's the set for goltres

[torpid moat]

fiery wrath/air slash/nasty plot/protect with sitrus

though I'll say the bax set feels weird too

why not just run ice body clear amulet if you're committing to dd?

that way you can run horsepower for better coverage

scale shot + spear only is really bad coverage

[fervent kestrel]

https://pokepast.es/accd5e4a90e27364

My magnum opus

[halcyon panther]

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[tight spire]

I suppose there is a grass type thing going on here with florges but I think you probably do at least want to drop sinistcha because its not really doing much here aside from the odd heal (and the hex burn stuff is very inconsistent and not worth using), maybe get yourself a water type to cover say chi yu better (like ogerpon-wellspring over hearthflame as an example) or like raging bolt (decent vs sun teams). I feel like using Assault vest on florges isn't getting that good use out of it and nothing aside from rillaboom really benefits on your team from pollen puff on it, you could instead use a leftovers + calm mind/Moonblast/Giga Drain/Protect. Calm Mind also would help you deal actualy damage because right now it's just a do-nothing pokemon with no special attack investment. Sneasler probably would rather not use Choice Band and Fake out at the same time (you could use a grassy seed set). the ogerpon here would rather horn leech over seed bomb and using encore instead of follow me is strange. Give Landorus Sludge Bomb or else it's do nothing vs other grass types. Rillaboom doesn't want to use weakness policy because it won't get much use out of it aside from a grassy glide or two on a rare occasion. you really would rather use either an Assault Vest set with Fake Out or Choice Band to go for the damage output idea you have here

[fervent kestrel]

Lowkey was terrified when i saw a longer message

[tight spire]

the sets are just kinda wack all over and you would want to drop sinistcha at least imo

[shrewd iron]

I find sneasler band not the right idea here. In a team without any tailwind you would rather have unburden

[fervent kestrel]

Honestly i only threw her in because she was cute and i had an open slot

[tight spire]

i do like the idea of Florges giving rillaboom/ogerpon incineroar protection

[fervent kestrel]

Watching them fail parting shot is so funny omg you should try it sometime

[tight spire]

yeah maybe sometime!

I'm thinkinig Raging Bolt is probably at least one of the better things you could sub over sinistcha

it gets you something that resists fire types naturally

also will not take neutral damage from Gholdengo's Make it Rain

[fervent kestrel]

Can i use dragon pulse on raging bolt
Draco Meteor is the bane of my existence

[tight spire]

you can but you may want draco more often than not

well if u use

Calm Mind

you can get away with it probably

Floreges here probably does want to do some kind of Calm Mind set at least also

aside from protecting the grass types its mostly sitting around

and Calm Mind also will give you the benefit of AV

and you can use leftovers

or maybe helping hand at least

could also be a move you can use on it

[fervent kestrel]

I usally use Calm Mind Leftovers on florges But I remembered how sometimes i felt like it took obnoxious damage from physical moves

[tight spire]

well there is always grassy seed

thats some free defense right there

[fervent kestrel]

Monkey thinking image

[tight spire]

rillaboom thinking image*

ah it also has

stored power

(I wouldn't use that probably but its there lol)

[fervent kestrel]

Ive gotten sweeped by stored power too many times i would never wish that one someone else

[tight spire]

the ideal ladder gimmick floreges with

Stored Power/Calm Mind/Giga Drain/Protect

grassy seed

max defense and hp

either way those are things you could consider with using it

[fervent kestrel]

Something funnt about this team is that from what im played (which is probably lower ladder) everythign just worked together in a way that somehow let me win?? Like alot more consistently then some of my relatively better teams

[tight spire]

i think it'll only get you so far up with the current jank sets you have

but I think if you at least fix them up you can get decently high with floreges

[fervent kestrel]

Its definitely better than that dumpster fire clawitser team i had lmao

[tight spire]

[fervent kestrel]

It learns helping hand and its signature ability (i dont talk about m. Blastoise) allows it to restore 75% of it's partner's HP

It can also use tera dragon as a both defensive tera and offensive tera with dragon pulse

[tight spire]

at that point thats just needing a sinistcha

[fervent kestrel]

Sinistcha should be on fraud watch i have never gotten that pokemon to work /j

[tight spire]

https://pokepast.es/b962ba7c2b588c2c

I'm not the best at reconstructing a team like this but here's an idea for what you could do

[exotic lava]

https://pokepast.es/e5bda22464143469

[halcyon panther]

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[exotic lava]

its my first team and i really wanted to use scrafty

i made a tr team

[brittle spade]

Unfortunately scrafty isn't very good. He's also very passive on the team you just posted. But there's an easy fix

This is a team I posted a while back on the bazaar https://pokepast.es/82af94bcc7bc3ce5

Eject button lets you fix the main issue with it, which is that scrafty wants to switch out very fast

I'll modify yours real quick

[exotic lava]

thanks 😊

[brittle spade]

https://pokepast.es/d69683fc38641762

I adjusted the speeds

Meaning you can now coach ursaluna in trick room

You can replace cornerstone with diancie if you want more synergy

[exotic lava]

thank youuu

you helped me a lot

[brittle spade]

Great, you're welcome, hf

[jade rover]

https://pokepast.es/8a909c960dc6ec68

[halcyon panther]

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[rose juniper]

at a first glance id say its alright

no bad mons, no bad sets or any weird comps

maybe a bit to passive but that could also just be my own preference shining through

but assuming it isn't and im on to something I would say that veil is not enough to justify ninetales on the team since it does make it a bit more passive

[jade rover]

i had pao over 9tales

[rose juniper]

but overall id say its fine

[rose juniper]

I wouldn't put it back on tbh

idt pao is a great fit here

not bad either

[jade rover]

my team really enjoys the speed control icy wind provides

sides

veil is really good

[rose juniper]

ik its good but it isn't as good when your 2/3 strong guys are gone

[jade rover]

i was thinking of gseed dengo over 9tales

or torn

cc or sash

[rose juniper]

both could work yeah

[jade rover]

imo cc is better

ill have to try it out on ladder to see what i can improve

[rose juniper]

sounds fair

[jade rover]

i had some issues with tailroom and sun

mainly sun

[rose juniper]

I can kinda see that but id say in theory your team should provide enough tools to make it not too bad of an MU

[jade rover]

https://pokepast.es/29fa6a9dd72a10f6 @rose juniper

played a few test matches and it felt really good

this build def leans into bulky offense imo

[rose juniper]

Yeah I think thats a good change

What made you go lefties over grassy seed btw

[jade rover]

its a balance team

i pivot a lot

ultimately i decided to go lorb

lefties makes the team a lot more passive

[storm latch]

https://pokepast.es/da1ffd9bc69cc40b

Gen 6 doubles OU

[brittle spade]

What is the reasoning behind choice scarf protect talonflame instead of the regular choice Band set

[storm latch]

I misclicked the choice item

Lol

[brittle spade]

Also why run diancie without diamond storm, the best move in the game

I think running regular sets would be a vast improvement for those mons

You should check out the samples sets provided on the smogon website

Arcanine should probably be switched out for something else

[peak crypt]

I agree that a lot of your Pokémon have dropped the moves that make them good

I’d also strongly consider cutting Whimsicott, Hitmontop, and Arcanine entirely

They’re just not that great! XY DOU is a pretty top heavy metagame, and dropping so many “power picks” can leave you dead in the water

As boring as it sounds, swapping out those three for Volcanion, Landorus-T, and an Electric type, and then running more standard sets on your Pokémon, will win you a lot more games

The electric type could actually probably be Raichu so you don’t stack too many Rock and Ice weaknesses, and you can still keep Encore and Fake Out

[brittle thorn]

https://pokepast.es/3ebf605587c94466

i made this team some time ago, and i want to know if it still has relevance in the meta

pls give suggestions guys

[torpid moat]

hey, the first 5 are still very standard and solid, but the dragonite set is super awkward and would never have been correct

dnite wants inner focus for fake out and intimidate immunity, and the speeds boosting scale shot doesn't make sense on a set with only priority attacks

that said, in this case you'd probably be better off with follow me waterpon in the dnite slot

also consider dragon tera grassy seed gholdengo, dragon lets you fully tank all ogerpon stabs, and seed is useful due to the rise in popularity of knock off users (okidogi and roaring moon in addition to incin)

[calm remnant]

https://pokepast.es/0bb4d8135607907e
im pretty new to competitive pokemon and i wanna make a team using sun + trick room utilizing a contrary lurantis as the main sweeper (i know its not very good but i just like lurantis alot). but like i said, im kinda new and i dont know what pokemon i should have as a 6th.
currently im debating on either another pokemon to function outside of trick room or another pokemon to setup sun/trick room, but im not sure which one would be better. advice regarding the last pokemon and the current movesets would be appreciated

[halcyon panther]

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[brittle thorn]

alright, tysm

[torpid moat]

hey, lurantis has a few redeeming qualities with contrary superpower, but you may not want to run it with torkoal, the synthesis is not particularly relevant, especially on a choice band set where it's basically useless. Regardless of that, you may still not want both together as they could very easily cause team comp issues depending on what you want

[calm remnant]

i see, thank you

do you have any ideas of what i could use for torkoal? ill also replace synthesis

it honestly completely went over my head that choice band + synthesis would make lurantis basically useless

[torpid moat]

Basically a full trick room team has 3 important roles, which is TR setter, Attacker, and Disruption (fake out or follow me or similar, things that make it easier/safer to set trick room)

many of the best tr mons can perform multiple of these roles at once, but hard tr teams need a decent number of each role

but lurantis is a pure attacker, as is torkoal, as is blood moon

farig is a trick room setter and has some disruption due to blocking fake out, but it's not nearly enough to reliably set tr

which leads to a second part I guess, should it be a team fully dedicated to trick room, or would you rather a team that has lurantis on it and enough trick room to make it work? (semi trick room)

[calm remnant]

preferably the latter

[torpid moat]

ah, okay, in that case we can keep torkoal but structure the team differently

lurantis/torkoal/walking wake as a starting 3, plus a trick room setter, let's say indeedee-f

in this comp torkoal would still provide utility as a sun setter to activate wake's speed proto boost

and wake would be usable as a fastmode to answer threats like lando-i

so the team wouldn't be useless outside of tr

[calm remnant]

thank you, that helps a ton!

i really appreciate it

[torpid moat]

those 4 would have trouble with firepon, so you might want incineroar for more disruption, or maybe a firepon of your own

firepon is also another follow me user

raging bolt would be another decent option for firepon hate

and potentially you'd want another trick room setter last, let's say an offensive setter like diancie

offensive setter because it can perform the role of both attacker and trick room setter, much like how indeedee is both tr setter and disruption

so yeah, torkoal/lurantis (probably assault vest)/wake/indeedee-f/firepon/diancie seems decent enough to me

[calm remnant]

thank you!

ill play around with it

i appreciate the help alot

[torpid moat]

lurantis set would be superpower/knock off/leaf blade/filler if av

filler could be any of solar blade, tera blast, pollen puff, leech life

wake should probably be life orb

with that context you'd probably be able to use analysis sets for the rest

[halcyon panther]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/walking-wake/

[torpid moat]

for example here you'd click on the "doubles" tab for wake

and use a life orb set with fire tera

and then search up the other mons yourself

[calm remnant]

alrighty, thank you for the help

are there any specific strategies/teams that that team would struggle with?

[torpid moat]

glimmora would put everything on a clock with either poison or hazards or both, so a hazards glimm team with either strong defense or offense

other than that though losses would more likely come from lack of game knowledge like not correctly playing around gholdengo or another trick room team or something

it's also a little lacking in defensive options that aren't follow me, strong attackers under tailwind could be difficult if you don't set trick room safely enough

[gray mural]

https://pokepast.es/aff9bcdee0e8fbcd

coming back to comp pokemon since sun and moon and wanted to play again tried making a trick room team still pretty new to terrastalization and such

[brittle spade]

Your sets and pokemon all need serious changes

Ursaluna without façade is an aberration

Torkoal doesn't have room for stealth rocks

Hydrapple is playable but not on that team

And the other three shouldn't be used at all in dou

This is what I use for sun trick room : https://pokepast.es/a3da80615fd16efb

You can also check out the samples to have a better idea of how to build a full trick room team

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/

[granite trench]

https://pokepast.es/72c43badbc712a08
feel free to judge as much as u want

[final kestrel]

You need more Ubers mon.

[peak crypt]

if you're going to run double redirection, there's zero reason Reuniclus shouldn't be replaced with a Lunala

being slower does not matter when you have Amoonguss to throw Spores around and Indeedee to keep Electric Terrain away

[granite trench]

ty! btw could u make me a build 4 lunala pls??

[peak crypt]

here are a few example sets: https://pokepast.es/6ae25d473b4ff137

you can run Tera Fairy or Dark on any of these, and you can replace Moonblast with Will-o-Wisp on the Sassy build. I'd recommend the first one (with Expanding Force and Wide Guard) for your team in particular, but Lunala is pretty flexible

there's also Calm Mind Lunala but that one doesn't really have room for Trick Room

[winter axle]

Is this team good?

https://psim.us/t/1503876-31t6lahxneg571kujmqa

[normal aurora]

how did u even do that?

[peak crypt]

did you happen to forget about Expanding Force and Facade?

[torpid moat]

you also definitely do not need iron ball on tr teams, minimum speed is enough and basically never worth sacrificing the item slot

[cursive smelt]

https://pokepast.es/b3b37ddb49a29357

[halcyon panther]

Hey @cursive smelt, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8doublesuu. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[ruby nacelle]

How's my team ?
https://pokepast.es/eb42d744eedc691d

[halcyon panther]

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[brittle spade]

hey, you only submitted 4 mons, and three of them can't do any form of damage, for a format that isn't exactly played anymore. Please submit a full team or clarify your query

[brittle spade]

this is more consistent in my opinion https://pokepast.es/25fcb8418c90a5e3

[ruby nacelle]

Thanks

[lilac notch]

what do i add to my team? i wanna run a kinda trickroom rain team, but i really want to keep galarian articuno, should i swap out trickroom for a psychic terrain setter instead?https://pokepast.es/261bd917cb003fed

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[peak crypt]

Trying to juggle three field effects is going to get kind of messy and I’d recommend you pick at least one to drop

Especially with two Flying-types already on the team that will get no benefit from Psychic Terrain

If I remember my mechanics right, Articuno won’t even get spread Expanding Force unless you commit your Tera to it every single game

[torpid moat]

no it does get spread eforce

but no damage boost so it's still really mediocre

I think life orb calm mind recover is super counterproductive though

a garticuno team probably can't afford to fit either psy terrain or rain tbh

if I were building it it'd probably be something like a goltres screens build, maybe on snow or with grimm, but you'd have to be even more careful of gholdengo than normal

definitely paired with incineroar

[tough timber]

https://pokepast.es/894554d1bb56e412

[lilac notch]

What if i just run like tornados or thunderous psychic terrain

Remove the trickroom

[lilac notch]

Isnt its best moves hurricane n expanding force

R should i drop it for freezing glare and remove the psychic

[torpid moat]

as explained earlier eforce isn't really worth it because you're not getting the terrain bonus + priority immunity as a levitator, just the increased bp + spread. Running the "best" moves just requires too much sacrifice to make it worthwhile, as adding indeedee and pelipper is a serious cost to a team's strength

just use freezing glare + air slash

maybe if you want coverage you go for like ground tera blast to hit incineroar + gholdengo

or you commit to the bad coverage and treat it like goltres, and fix it with partners

like maybe galarticuno/roaring moon/incin/lando-i/waterpon as a starting 5 if you wanna go the balance route

or if you wanna lean more offensive maybe you go firepon + okidogi over waterpon + incin

[lilac notch]

what do i use on incin?

i know alot of incins are different

like bulk or speed

mine looks like this rn

[torpid moat]

incin should always be bulky, its main role is a defensive pivot, it sometimes runs some speed to outspeed mons in tailwind, but never max. If you click import/export on that exact screen, you should see buttons at the bottom that link to incineroar's analysis set, I recommend using standard sets/spreads by default

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/incineroar/doubles/

make sure you're checking the "doubles" tab

also there really shouldn't be a pelipper in that 5th slot, maybe try okidogi anyways there as another mon to benefit from tailwind rmoon

[lilac notch]

i kinda like taunt on incin tho

taunt to stop trickroom or like mfs setting up

[torpid moat]

oh taunt incin is fine

there's a pretty decent range of alternative moves incin can run like taunt and willowisp and snarl

[lilac notch]

are there any alternatives to boots?

i dont see much spikes and rocks on my games

so i was thinkin of changing it to like sitrus or leftovers

[torpid moat]

sitrus is the most common yeah

there's also safety goggles but you shouldn't need it here

[lilac notch]

is sitrus better than leftovers?

[torpid moat]

sitrus is better than leftovers yes

due to how the healing works, leftovers is only better on mons you expect to sit on the field for more than 4 turns

incin is actually strongest on the turns it switches in and out so you would rather the 1/4 burst healing instead of trying to get 1/16 each turn

[brittle spade]

Not enough trick room users and not enough redirection

As it stands it's rather easy to stop trick room from going up

With whirlwind or by double focusing cresselia/hatterene

Gholdengo is also too much of a problem for your team

You just can't run enamorus too because it's a worse hatterene on a fullroom team

[quick kite]

https://pokepast.es/7617cf61ab1ed520
Its for doubles OU

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[tough timber]

What changes should I make

Thinking maybe I should swap enamorus for farigiraf

[brittle spade]

i made this like a year ago https://pokepast.es/76666d73f9989628

you should give it a try

enamorus is actually useful to push through diancie before and after tera

[brittle spade]

that's way too weak
rain is not good right now because it needs good way to push through ogerpon-wellspring and kyurem

and punish ninetales-alola switching in

so you absolutely need steel types

you need to decide whether you want to run rain or belly drum azumarill because it needs trick room

[tidal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/f76772c3e364899e vgc 4v4 doubles

[brittle spade]

wrong thread, there's a vgc channel, this is for 6v6

[tidal smelt]

oh mb

[winter axle]

I thought about expanding force ngl I forgot about facade 😭

Yeah I added both swapped psychic on hatterenne for expanding force

[winter axle]

Ah alright should I switch my water type mon due to its speed?

[quick kite]

https://pokepast.es/36f29a986428cbec
This decent?

[halcyon panther]

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[brittle spade]

Nop

Check out the pinned links in this channel

It'll help

[lilac notch]

https://pokepast.es/e268d5d4b4584b6c
i tried making my own team, i struggle against ice types alot so i tried throwing in a gholdengo

[halcyon panther]

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[lilac notch]

is it aight?

[torpid moat]

hey, you actually don't have much rain investment here, the team would be significantly improved with rain dance tornadus over the pelipper slot

the tailwind speed control is far more valuable than the rain itself

try just doing that with earth power over u turn on lando-i

[shrewd iron]

Bulky gholdengo is much better than max speed ghold

You should take a look at the smogon set

[lilac notch]

kk

how bout i run tailwind on pelipper instead?

or no

[lilac notch]

i js dont use earth power that much since im always spamming sandsear

[lilac notch]

how do i find this

[torpid moat]

no, I'm specifically mentioning tornadus here because manual rain torn is an established comp, pelipper is just that terrible of a mon

on pokemon showdown, type "/analysis gholdengo"

click "doubles"

[lilac notch]

where do i type this

[torpid moat]

in any chat box

[lilac notch]

oh ok thanks

[lilac notch]

https://pokepast.es/aaec7eae6f413086
rate?

[halcyon panther]

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[peak crypt]

Sand Veil is banned in DOU

[lilac notch]

yea i removed it for clear amulet rough skin

[brittle spade]

Are you sure you have the right herb

Try this

https://pokepast.es/fc811e77dbb42a36

Sets will be a bit more solid into general stuff

[lilac notch]

white herb no?

[brittle spade]

It's power herb with meteor beam

[lilac notch]

oof

[lilac notch]

can i not make use of glimmora in the team?

is it js not that good compared to the tailwind

[brittle spade]

Why do you want to run glimmora on a sand screens team

It really doesn't fit with the rest of the team

[lilac notch]

even more hazard

[brittle spade]

If you're going for hazards just run stealth rocks on garchomp and get rid of tyranitar

[lilac notch]

does glimmora not benefit that much from sand storm?

[brittle spade]

Nop, glimmora will just die to gholdengo and landorus, even with sandstorm up

And doesn't care about have more spdef against stuff like Moltres galar, which it beats anyway

Running two rocks types is just so bad that it outweighs the benefits of sandstorm

[lilac notch]

ohh

[brittle spade]

Unless you specifically run aerodactyl that resists ground

But it's not good

[lilac notch]

how do you know what to pick for teras

like why is tornadus on fire tera

[brittle spade]

I picked that to boost heat wave and resist ice moves

But that's not exactly standard

[lilac notch]

ive been using grass tera on my rain team

[brittle spade]

Depends on the powerful threats and archetypes in the format

[lilac notch]

oo ok

thanks man

ive been tryna build my own teams and learn how to build teams

[brittle spade]

You should check out the resources we pinned in this channel then

We also have posts of good players posting their teams

[simple tree]

https://pokepast.es/08675353db7faf19

A bit wonky but I like it so far

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brittle spade]

You have to drop stealth rocks or throat chop, you really need protect on both ting lu or dondozo when you're leading and clicking yawn sand tomb

Otherwise the opponent clicks uturn

You should also drop torkoal i think

For something like incineroar

And run life orb on ursaluna

Porygon can be a sinistcha

People usually run Chien pao dragonite gouging fire gholdengo when running ting lu + dondozo

You can try it

[simple tree]

So what I had before sinistcha+incin

[brittle spade]

Ok well you were on the right track

[simple tree]

Main reasons why I changed it was that sin basically always required insin on the field and was overall pretty squishy and loosing the 1 tr setter would suck. And with the team fairly weak to grass/water and overall slightly low dmg I swapped to a Tortola build with solar beam

[brittle spade]

Yeah but currently your team just loses to the move taunt

We're talking 6-0

[red talon]

https://pokepast.es/7a52d0041bbf7be7 what do you think?

[halcyon panther]

New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brittle spade]

You're better off just using sample sets

Do you know how to find them?

Heat wave is particularly bad on Roaring moon

[opaque pulsar]

https://pokepast.es/eefb1a065ab37b58 any tips for my dou team?

[torpid moat]

hey, a lot of these look like singles sets, you basically never run boots on anything but incineroar because of how often it pivots, and rapid spin is considered worthless, while mortal spin is mainly run for the glimm mirror and poisoning key targets

wake also doesn't make much sense on snow, kyurem is a lot more useful with assault vest + blizzard, calm mind raging bolt is another good dragon on snow

you could try a comp like tales/kyurem/power herb meteor beam glimmora/blackglasses kingambit with protect > iron head/waterpon/landorus-i maybe

[opaque pulsar]

were my moves on waterpon good or should I run a bulkier, follow me set

i also dont know if thats good on pon at all im just guessing