#Smogon Doubles Rates

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halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rose juniper
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Ill take a look at this in an hour or so

rose juniper
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turned out to be 2 hours

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eitherway

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honestly the team looks mostly fine to me

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6 strong guys, very HO but you got TW support so that works

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3 choiced mons which I like, if thats a playstyle you feel good with it can be quite rewarding but also if it feels like youre too restricted don't hesitate to run less choiced and see if that works better for you

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however some of the sets could do with some minor tweaks

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mainly the Dnite really has to be tera normal to make sure it can fulfill its roll as an Espeed sweeper and without the tera you will be missing out on a few important OHKOs

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think of oger or lando for example

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as for lando tera ground works but I prefer poison or steel but with that one just go with whatever feels right

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I would also like to suggest to make Pao adamant since youre not really outspeeding anything meaningful when going jolly, its only for speedties with other paos ig but ada is overall better this meta

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and then id also change the tera on both chien and chi to ghost rather then dark, being immune to fighting and especially fake out is generally speaking way better then using tera for a offensive boost on those 2

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but it has to be said though that your team is VERY stealth rock weak

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id say there are 3 options here

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  1. you just let it be and accept it and hope you don't face glimm or SR lando
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  1. you swap out a mon for your own glimm, which takes care of the removal for you and genereally speaking pairs nicely with HO and a pao dnite core
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  1. which is a bit of a midground pick and thats to replace a move on torn for taunt so you can atleast kinda prevent it
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id say those are the main things for this team

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@remote jolt

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is there anything youre struggling specifically against?

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brittle spade
brittle spade
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brittle spade
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you should aim for something like that

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brittle spade
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OH

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hail is hot garbage in gen8 though

bold root
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I think hail gives Ive types more defence

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Is it changed in Gen 9?

brittle spade
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brittle spade
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because it got changed to snow

bold root
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Bruh

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brittle spade
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yes

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I think sandstorm does the same but it also increases special defence, am I right?

brittle spade
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yes

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sandstorm doesnt have aurora veil

bold root
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Gamefreak really hates Ive types…

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brittle spade
# bold root Oh

i can still pass you a hail team from gen8 if you really want to try

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brittle spade
bold root
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I guess. I never really liked Gen 9.

ruby nacelle
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles UU RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak crypt
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I’ll let Paint or another rater take care of business but I just want to say Temu Incineroar is a powerful nickname for Arcanine

brittle spade
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choice band protect doesn't perform so well

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ogerpon doesnt really need bulk since you take advantage of its ability sturdy

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zoroark is exceedingly bad in duu

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all your mons get hit by petal blizzard

brittle spade
ruby nacelle
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Okay thanks

faint yarrow
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thoughts

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prolly dont use magmar and might be some stupid choices here and there

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but my thought process is magmar basically becomes a fire immunity in rain so its funnier than electabuzz

peak crypt
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why is extra resisting Fire important at all?

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you already have rain

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You already have a Wellspring (who would be a better user of Follow Me anyway)

faint yarrow
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i reckon the mirror matchup isnt that bad for me with thundurus

peak crypt
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The issue with the mirror is your opponent will have Tornadus and you will always move second as a result

faint yarrow
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so it just seems like a really good follow me for swords dance or nasty plot

peak crypt
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and with no Fake Out and multiple Pokemon dropping Protect outright, you’re pretty much at the whim of your opponent in any offense matchup

faint yarrow
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i think

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kingambit lead is pretty good at deterring fakeout

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with protect

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and like good against incin and stuff like that

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and thundurus too

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but yeah i guess i would prolly lose to some specific matchups

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im low ladder so not much experience against metagame

peak crypt
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I’m ignoring the Beartic because sometimes you gotta give

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but honestly rain is not that great right now

faint yarrow
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beartic is my king

peak crypt
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You don’t have a single move on this whole team that deals reasonable damage to Roaring Moon, which is another very strong Tailwind user

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outside of the Beartic itself, who gets outsped by Booster Moon in rain and takes huge damage from Knock Off or just dies to Okidogi etc

faint yarrow
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What if i ran some steel type move on gambit

peak crypt
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I honestly think the biggest problem is you’ve just chosen like

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five mediocre-at-best Pokemon and a Wellspring

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Kingambit has seen way better days, Thundurus sees zero play, Pelipper isn’t very strong right now, and Magmar is miles behind Wellspring as a Follow Me user

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I don’t really know how you’d build rain “correctly” right now, but if you really want Beartic around, I’d probably swap to Follow Me Wellspring, swap the Thundurus for a Tornadus, and drop Magmar and Gambit both in exchange for Okidogi and some sort of pivot—maybe an Incineroar of your own

brittle spade
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its still bad because rain is bad

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but itll do stuff

main wave
brittle spade
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you should check out the resources we provide for dou

faint yarrow
brittle spade
ruby nacelle
halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rose juniper
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Ill take a quick peek at this

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@ruby nacelle whats the goal of the team? Is it to use your favourite guys or do you want a very competitive team?

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assuming your goal is to make a good competitive team then I would first start with some moveset changes

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and then also swap out 2 or so mons

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but lets start with the sets

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I would heaviley advise you to go choicebanded Dnite, without it it feels quite lackluster and misses out on some big OHKOs with Tera normal Espeed

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like lando or ogerpon for example

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and no choiceband is just really limiting its wincon potential

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however if you really do not want to go choiced

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then I would consider to change the moveset to a DD set to still give it the wincon potential

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idt you need TW on Dnite since you already got torn so I would replace TW with DD and then you can opt to keep lum but you could also consider silk scarf

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as for the Pao, I would advise you to go adamant instead of jolly, there is nothing relevant that youre outspeeding with jolly over ada

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its only usefull in speedties with other paos ig but overall ada is better id say

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as for the moveset and tera, the moveset is fine, I do however think spinner is better then crash here

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not only to avoid any misses but also cause you are using a dnite and then it can be good to be able to remove terrain incase you fight an indeedee team

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I would also consider to switch tera dark to ghost, being immune to its 4x fighting weakness and more importantly to be immune to fake out is overall way more beneficial then a damage boost on sucker

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especially since ime you overall rather use offensive teras on pokemon with a bit more bulk and longevity

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as for the gholdengo

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ill start with the moveset. Protect on specs is not very useful ofcourse so I would swap that for either trick or for dazzling gleam, and if you go dazzling gleam then I would also go with tera fairy which ill recommend the most of the 2 options

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now as for the torn

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I don't see the point of running hurricane over bleakwind and I would change that one asap

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as for its item

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idt mental herb is really that useful for torn but if you find yourself getting a lot of use out of it you can also keep it

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however I would run sash or cloak myself

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and incase you do run cloak you can also change its tera cause you are taking care of fakeout already with the cloak

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idm flying as its tera actually and otherwise you could consider a more defensive tera as well

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now as for the mon changes

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I would replace both sneasler and sinis

left cloud
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Is this where I should ask for help im tryna make a doubles team

rose juniper
left cloud
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I only have 3 pokemons out of 6

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tryna make a trick room team

rose juniper
# rose juniper I would replace both sneasler and sinis

eitherway back to this. Sneasler doesn't really have a place on this team or imo on any dou team to begin with, ig there is a nieche for it with unburden but even then idt its worth it. As for the sinis I don't think it fits super well on this team. I don't think it can keep up with the pace of the rest of the team and if you are looking for support/follow me I think there are better options. Its not bad but I just think there is more out there that brings better value for your kind of team

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I would replace the sneasler with glimm. Glimm, Pao and Dnite is a know and also quite strong core and glimm can also then help with the removal of entery hazards which is quite nice since half your team is stealth rock weak

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I would run something like this:
Mortal spin
Stealth rocks
Sludge bomb
Power gem/Earthpower

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as for the sinis slot

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I think something like ogerpon water would work well here

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has acces to follow me which is better then ragepowder, also fits nicely with the rest of the team in terms of pace and helps against lando which is nice if you got a glimm and a ghold

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and also helps with chi which is also nice cause of pao and ghold

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I would run something along the lines of this:
Ogerpon (Ogerpon-Wellspring) (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 180 HP / 140 Atk / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Horn Leech
  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Spiky Shield
  • Follow Me
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with these 2 mon changes you also keep the poison and grass typing

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and with that id say thats it

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hope it helps

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@ruby nacelle

rose juniper
# left cloud I only have 3 pokemons out of 6

in that case I would suggest the Doubles discord for help since this really is kinda just for finished teams or atleast teams with 5 mons id say and I think the doubles discord might be a better help if youre more looking for a general direction for a team

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in there the competitive channel should prolly be able to help you best

left cloud
ruby nacelle
hybrid lichen
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Is there any room for improvement for this double Ubers team? https://pokepast.es/eb79335c10912618

Summary of the team: double fake out, intimate, aurora veil, drought, hard and fast hitting reshiram, hard hitting and tanky kyreum white

peak crypt
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Having conflicting weather conditions isn’t great in this format where you can get really punished for trying to switch around

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and the general quality of the Pokémon on this team is kind of on the low end—Groudon and Rillaboom are both kind of mid tier and it just goes downhill from there

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This is a format where you have to respect things like Calyrex, Miraidon, and several different Arceus

hybrid lichen
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Snow warning is just to set up aurora veil and get rid of opponent's weather when groudon is played

peak crypt
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“opponent’s weather” is often going to be more Sun, and Koraidon really dunks on this team

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a smart opponent will keep it in the back until you send in Ninetales and you just won’t get access to Aurora Veil ever

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I don’t think snow is inherently bad

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but I think having to play around your own weather and deal with Astral Barrages and Extreme Speeds at the same time is going to be too difficult to do consistently

hybrid lichen
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Now you mentioned it, I do struggle against speedy dragons like miraidon

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I got wide guard and fake out

peak crypt
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Every single Normal Arceus is going to be Clear Amulet Tera Ghost

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and that’s not even getting into the multiple other types of Arceus you might run into, like Fireceus on Sun teams, or CM Fairy Arceus

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I think the best way forward is to drop one of your weathers and to remove Hitmontop from the team

hybrid lichen
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Who do I replace hitmontop with? He is my intimidator against calarex ice

peak crypt
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Zamazenta is going to provide way more than Hitmontop ever will, even without Intimidate and Fake Out, just by being an actual threat that your opponents need to respect

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a lot of Caly-Ice are Clear Amulet anyway

hybrid lichen
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That's why fake out and eject button to constantly cycle fake outs

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But zamazenta makes more sense

peak crypt
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Fake Out cycling also doesn’t really matter against something like Shadow Rider

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Who can force you into clicking Wide Guard and then just use Psychic

hybrid lichen
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I see what I can do. Thx for the suggestions

quick pagoda
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hi !! i want to know how i can make this team better (been experimenting with it alot) and i've been having pretty ok results
(thought process is to initially secure trickroom with sking & scrafty fakeout, toxic spikes and swap abomasnow in for aurora veil)
https://pokepast.es/bc7a64a6a4c398c0

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles UU RMT @torpid moat. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

quick pagoda
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also very heavy onto survival..

brittle spade
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at the very least you need stronger pokemon like toxapex and wochien

wheat scaffold
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So i had this mono dark type team in doubles that i had fun with it now that im not doing mono dark anymore i want to build a team centered around Yveltal and i have no idea what i should do beside just having Yveltal and Incineroar on the team. Would also be nice to get a rate on the mono dark team i had lmao.

halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @wheat scaffold, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9natdexdraft. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

wheat scaffold
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oh whoops

halcyon pantherBOT
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Hey @wheat scaffold, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexdoublesubers. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

quick pagoda
native shoal
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Could anyone make me a team with miraidon as my only uber/ag and the rest OU please

rose juniper
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dawg

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this is not where you just fucking commission a team

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the whole idea is that you build one yourself and then others can help you with said team in here

rose juniper
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and I mainly just have to say that I would highly recommend using more then 1 Uber on your NatdexDubers team

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the tier is filled with the strongest guys around and weavile and Mttar however cool they might be do not cut it in there

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I assume youre trying to make a mono dark team but with Arceus Dark, Yveltal and Darkrai (depending on the gen) as the only Dubers around I would start with those

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keep the grimm and the incin if youre really set on the whole mono dark stuff

final kestrel
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We do have SV Doubles Monotype represented through OM (Other Metagames). There are a couple of dark teams in their thread, but they're very similar to each other. If you want a ND version, then I can provide a dark team for that as well. I'm afraid I can't help you much with Yvetal though.

wheat scaffold
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That would be nice

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Appreciate the help

final kestrel
wheat scaffold
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Thanks ill check em out

native shoal
brittle spade
tired trench
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Is this okay

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I'm new to comp for gen 9 doubles ou

brittle spade
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great tusk and iron bundle are also pretty weak

brittle spade
# tired trench I'm new to comp for gen 9 doubles ou

you should have a look at the sample teams we have
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/

Smogon Forums
Resource - Doubles OU Sample Teams

Art by GenOne

Welcome to the Sample Teams thread! This thread is meant to highlight the best of the best teams in the Doubles OU tier. Sample Teams are exemplary teams that have proven themselves to be good and are basic enough for beginners to use, allowing them to pick up the fundamentals of...

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to better understand whats good

static hawk
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How do I do that

final kestrel
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Whenever you build your team on showdown, there is an option to create a pokepaste. Provide the link to that pokepaste here.

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

brisk turtle
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can you rate my team

rose juniper
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Ill take a look at this in an hour or so

brisk turtle
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thank you

rose juniper
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alright

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im not entirely sure what the vision is for this team, are you trying to fill a team with your favourite guys or trying to get a very competitive and viable team? @brisk turtle

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rose juniper
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so you want a good team with prim?

brisk turtle
rose juniper
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alright, primm is a duu pokemon for a reason but its workable. Id say there are 2 routes you can take this

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its id say either TR or you just throw it on a team

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and ignore its speed tier

brisk turtle
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i tried using absorb, tailwind whimscott with weakness policy primarina but it got countered so hard

rose juniper
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do you got a preference when it comes to team styles?

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cheese is normally not really all that good

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rose juniper
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alright, you could try this TR team https://pokepast.es/4fa7bde80a9e9996 with prim over torkoal (you prolly wanna replace ursa with a grass counter) and see if thats something you like and ill also take a look at your current team to see what we can do with that

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so you can try out both styles

brisk turtle
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thank you for helping

rose juniper
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you could go volc or heatran for example over the tork

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as for your other team

brisk turtle
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sure i will try to the team properly hopefully

rose juniper
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sorry I had to take care of something real quick

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but as for your other team

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just as a rule of thumb make sure your HP stat is uneven because that makes that you take a little less damage because damage is always rounded down in pokemon

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as for the rest

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we can work with the psyspam core if you like that

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but we wanna replace armourage

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armourage is just not that good

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something like iron crown would be much better

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although youre also running whimsicott which does not pair well with psychic terrain cause of prankster

brisk turtle
rose juniper
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fluttermain is banned

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ive been looking at your team for a bit now and if im honest id just start from scratch here

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your team kinda exists out of 3 separate duo's and you really want a team to be a whole

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there is a sample team that very slightly reminds me of the team you made

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you could replace oger with primm here

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and try that as well

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and when you've tried both the TW and the TR team id recommend you coming back and letting us know which style you like best and which mons you like so we can work on making a cool and unique team

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but for now id say the team is lacking a vision and cohesion and id recommend first trying some stuff out before trying to fix it

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@brisk turtle

brisk turtle
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ok i will try my best to adpat thank you

rose juniper
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👍

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if youve figured out something you like do let us know

brisk turtle
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i will try in the weekends im busy so i will give you update

rose juniper
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sure

sonic shell
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Hi! I’d love to showcase a team I made recently and get some advice on it—it’s a Doubles OU team:

https://pokepast.es/f49878005f8ffa6c

The team is built around Regidrago. I wanted to try making him work since he’s both a strong Pokémon and one I really like.
I’m still learning competitive Pokémon, but I’ve been having way more fun with it than I expected.

I’d especially love any advice!

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

torpid moat
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though the biggest concern here is that too much of your damage is reliant on drago and that without it you have a really hard time vs certain mons like incineroar and raging bolt/roaring moon

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you usually want a strong ground spa on these types of teams to beat them

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here are 2 regidrago samples with comps that fix that issue:

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the other main benefit of hands on a farig team is that it makes your tr option a lot more reasonable

sonic shell
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Yeah i figured, I'll try out both of the teams, thank you for the feedback and advice

torpid moat
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there's also a more offensive/less balanced comp with farig drago chi-yu lando-i(or blood moon) torn if you wanna try that instead

sonic shell
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Yeah I'd love to try it out, im not very sure about my style of play, but im figuring it out

torpid moat
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oh I don't actually have a team for that one rn, but last mon would be chien pao or waterpon or rillaboom probably

sonic shell
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Alright I'll just try to figure out the sets and see if i like the more offensive one

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Thanks again

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One more question if it's okay, is Tera Steel flat out better than the damage boost Tera Dragon gives?

shrewd iron
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Tera steel is pretty good, it helps against pao-nite teams

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If you feel that your team is weak to them you can play it

jade rover
azure quail
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https://pokepast.es/b71033df6cbd8c12
Currently approaching top 500 with this team and hoping to bring it to at least 250
Just played a very hard match https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesou-2488978285 And was hoping for any tips or team changes to try and solve some issues as every match seems to be coming down to the wire. Not having any speed control in matchups where dragonite cant spam extreme speed feels really bad.

[Gen 9] Doubles OU: Markypookie vs. Trickster981 - Replays - Pokém...

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Markypookie and Trickster981! Format: [Gen 9] Doubles OU; Date: Nov 27, 2025

halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @brittle spade, @peak crypt, @torpid moat, @rose juniper, @tight spire. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sacred merlin
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main thing that jumps out to me immediately is why itemless incin?

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then, incin itself can probably go for a gouging fire for a more offensive leaning build, and after that you can also go loaded dice scale shot tailwind dragonite for speed contorl, as howl from gouging fire offsets the need for choice band (both work tho, however), torn can also be slotted in over the likes of incin / chi yu

azure quail
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thought i had goggles

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i never play amoonguss so it never showed up

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I dont really wanna change the set on dragonite cause thats what the whole team is built around.

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ill try torn for incin

torpid moat
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the incin is pretty important here actually

azure quail
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yeah im lowk thinkin that aswell

torpid moat
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your biggest issues are the lack of speed control, plus folding to certain tr comps like diancie semiroom

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imo you should cut chi yu before anything else

azure quail
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i added chi yu for the bronzong and corv matchups

torpid moat
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maybe with waterpon over rilla

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try taunt waterpon instead

azure quail
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alr

normal aurora
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looking at the team its kinda lacking special attackers

azure quail
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wym

torpid moat
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nonprankster taunt should help a lot for tr/various matchups

azure quail
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i got two

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alr

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ogerpon gets taunt?

torpid moat
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yeah

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cudgel/wood hammer/taunt/follow me

azure quail
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alr

torpid moat
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wood hammer can be spiky shield depending on preference

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or like horn leech or power whip

normal aurora
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oh I was wondring why wood hammer over horn leech

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nvm

azure quail
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do ppl accually use power whip

torpid moat
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there's an argument for each of them

normal aurora
torpid moat
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I use every one, depending

sacred merlin
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power whip is my go to unless i have a reason not to

azure quail
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i dont rlly use inacuate moves ever

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im only using sandsearstorm cause a pro told me too

torpid moat
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sandsear lando helps a lot vs tr yeah

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or ghold + redirection or whatever

azure quail
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i lowk never face gholdengo

sacred merlin
azure quail
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alr

torpid moat
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but yeah try say av raging bolt over the chi yu then

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draco/tclap/eweb most important

azure quail
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alr

torpid moat
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last move can be any of snarl tbolt volt switch

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another option would be glimmora in chi yu slot

normal aurora
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ok Im learning smth about teambuilding helping

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I prob would have said booster energy raging bolt tbh

azure quail
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switching is pretty important for my team

torpid moat
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the hazards/poison are really helpful for beating certain comps like snow + sd hands behind veil

azure quail
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i lowk hate hazards tho

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and nothins changin that

torpid moat
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mortal spin gets rid of your opp's hazards

azure quail
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oh acc

torpid moat
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be the lesser evil

azure quail
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k

torpid moat
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try power gem/stealth rock/mortal spin/spiky shield

azure quail
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sash?

torpid moat
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yeah

sacred merlin
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alternatively meteor beam could fit decently on this structure imo, but i'd recommend trying sash first

azure quail
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k

torpid moat
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not without speed control

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meteor beam works better on like a torn ghold comp or something

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but yeah after changes those 6 would be a lot better vs veil and diancie and a few others

sacred merlin
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that's fair, it still can work on non torn comps from experience but yeah sash

torpid moat
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just be careful of okidogi

azure quail
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never gone up against him

torpid moat
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because that'll own a lot of the mons if you're not careful

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it gets +1 atk from intim and just really bullies paonite

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and glimm doesn't do anything to it

azure quail
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alr

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can lando ohko?

torpid moat
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not the vest set, but they'll tera out of it anyways

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or disrupt lando somehow and ice punch it

sacred merlin
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aswell as it always being paired with partners that can lando like chien pao, wogerpon, etc

azure quail
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can u send a sample team with okidogi?

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i cant find any

torpid moat
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here's one of fer's

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oh this is a weird dogi set though

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it's more often av drain punch/knock off/ice punch/gunk shot

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or bulk up

sacred merlin
azure quail
sacred merlin
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mostly for the water/fire resist against ogerpons and the type being generally good defensively into the metagame

azure quail
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bring back flutter

normal aurora
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I would not

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I remember how oppressive it was

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even with incineroar

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and ursuluna bloodmoon

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||Although imo sash flutter is the best one due to its good combo for offense and defense||

azure quail
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there should be a vote to bring back flutter or shadow tag

normal aurora
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look if thats smth you wanna deal with then be my guest

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just leave me out of that

torpid moat
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btw @azure quail I thought on it a little more, try pao/dnite/incin/waterpon/lando/specs ghold instead

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ghold is better than chi yu into a lot of tr comps while still having pretty good defensive merit

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and it'll help vs bronzong and corvi as you mentioned earlier

azure quail
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are you sure its a good idea without speed control

torpid moat
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you should run it with icy wind pao

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should be enough tbh

azure quail
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what move do i drop on pao

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i lowk use all of them equally

torpid moat
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you can cut sacred for it

azure quail
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kk

torpid moat
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with waterpon you have another mon that can hit incin

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and ghold can run power gem if you're still having issues

azure quail
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alr

velvet wigeon
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velvet wigeon
brittle spade
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losing your item slot for poor primarina is also pretty bad

velvet wigeon
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Ok

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What do I switch out for Braviary-H

brittle spade
velvet wigeon
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I alredy have a fier type in incenror

brittle spade
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if you want to use braviary H you should run tinted lens esper wint

velvet wigeon
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Ok

brittle spade
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or tailwind sheer force life orb

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and 204 speed

velvet wigeon
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I am going for trick room but I cane mack a trick room modd just remove iron ball frome prem

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That works but trick room is my main strat

brittle spade
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primarina is bad in DOU, it's only used sometimes on teams that are too weak to fire types and chien pao

normal aurora
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but thats just a theory of mine

pseudo quail
halcyon pantherBOT
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stark hollow
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Offensive clod

torpid moat
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noivern is a really hard sell when there's stuff like mega mence running around

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and speaking of megas, you should only be running one

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are you running under any other restrictions?

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other mons that outclass by role are incineroar over arcanine, raging bolt over shocks, glimmora over slowking, and so on

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you can check for more on the viability rankings linked above

pseudo quail
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Thanks I appreciate the help

pseudo quail
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pseudo quail
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@torpid moat

torpid moat
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I would start with noivern/scizor/flutter mane then

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I'll just warn again that noivern really sucks though

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this set looks a lot more reasonable though

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potentially you just run protect over draco meteor

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telepathy lele is definitely not worth running though

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and I recommend calm mind tapu fini instead of manaphy

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so amoonguss's most important move is actually rage powder, not spore, to redirect attacks away from allies

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but in this case if you have fini, ogerpon-hearthflame would fit a lot better as a follow me user

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and it's also a pretty strong attacker too to fall back on

pseudo quail
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so get rid of amoongus for ogerflame, fini over manaphy

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and flutter over lele

torpid moat
pseudo quail
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thanks dude you are the best. im pretty new to making competitive teams i usually just use my favorites in playthroughs

brittle spade
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you'd be better off running enamorus therian or hatterene

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or calm mind raging bolt

stark hollow
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Ill try the changes you suggested for primarina, but loosing water coverage could be bad

brittle spade
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and yes ground poison coverage is good, that's why people run landorus and glimmora

stark hollow
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Either way I would keep clod even if he wasn't the GOAT. Since I originally added him as a joke, but then accidentally got a bronze medal with him

brittle spade
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rain is a dumpster tier build sadly

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there's very little value in water absord

pseudo quail
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I am having a ton of trouble with psychic terrain indeedee and sweepers like mega alakazam and armarouge. I could use tapu fini with surge but then it doesnt work as well with noivern. Do i give up the extra power just to not get ruined by those teams?

torpid moat
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yeah, at that point just run misty surge fini yeah, it's way better of a mon

brittle spade
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welcome to higher ladder

vapid plaza
halcyon pantherBOT
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shrewd iron
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Your team isn't making use of pelipper enough to make sense

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But if you don't want to change that, I would at least change raichu

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Put something like an iron hands

vapid plaza
vapid plaza
rose juniper
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ill take a look at this

rose juniper
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I assume the latter since you asked for tips rather then a restructure/rework

rose juniper
# vapid plaza I don't understand tho i use pelipper in this team as a switch in and a tailwind...

pelipper is not an easy mon to pull of in this current meta. While it for sure can be useful on your team with tailwind its not enough for it to justify itself in this current state of the meta, you do however get some defensive/what I like to call passive rain benefits (stuff like guaranteed thunder and halfing the fire damage) thats still not enough, usually when going with pelipper youre looking for strong rain abusers, think swiftswim or palafin with Jetpunch.

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because it needs to really make use of drizzle since it otherwise just gets outclassed by someone like tornadus

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as for some tips

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ill start with the movesets cause im not sure if you want anyone replaced or not

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a lot of your EV spreads don't really make sense

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pelipper for example has max spdef rather then HP. When investing for bulk always go HP first, defenses later. There is one exception on this however and that is when a specific defense stat is less then half of your HP stat it can be more efficient to invest in that def stat instead. Another quick tip kinda related to this is to make sure your HP stat is always uneven

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With the way pokemon calcs damage it always rounds down

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meaning if you would switch in on stealthrocks with peli with an even amount of HP you would take 25% and with an uneven stat you would take 24%, its not huge but it can matter

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as for the sets mon by mon ill go from top to bottom

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starting with metagross

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id say there are 3 good metagross sets

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  1. AV (pref with coaching support)
  2. Choicebanded
  3. DemonGross (this set comes from gen 8 where it has bodypress and iron defense but tbh id say registeel outclasses metagross here and this is not a great set)
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Unfortunately I do got to go now but incase no one else picks this up ill continue this later today

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eitherway ill finish the metagross bit real quick

vapid plaza
rose juniper
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here is AV:
Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 208 HP / 252 Atk / 48 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Heavy Slam
  • Psychic Fangs
  • Knock Off
  • Bullet Punch

Choiceband:
Metagross @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Heavy Slam
  • Psychic Fangs
  • Bullet Punch
  • Stomping Tantrum/knock off

Demongross (I just took registeel):
Registeel @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Protect
  • Body Press
  • Iron Defense
  • Amnesia
rose juniper
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all the other could go?

vapid plaza
rose juniper
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alright

vapid plaza
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Yep

rose juniper
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ill bear that in mind for when im back

rose juniper
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while raichu isn't the strongest guy out there you will prolly find this more usable then the support raichu set and id say for sure more fun as well

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tera ice is to suprise catch stuff like lando

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because it does have a good speedstat

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you could also consider this raichu set instead:

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Raichu @ Choice Specs
Ability: Lightning Rod
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

  • Thunder
  • Surf
  • Volt Switch
  • Tera Blast
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with tera flying you'll kill most ogers and cause of its ability are immume to electric attacks yourself

brittle spade
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you should run scarf in that scenario

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the only playable raichu set sadly is focus sash fake out nuzzle/electroweb endeavor volt switch/protect

rose juniper
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its considerably less fun tho

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but yeah thats a semi real set

rose juniper
brittle spade
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run it with chiyu, specs or sash modest

rose juniper
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idt you should ever go modest tho since the only thing it has going for it is the speedstat thats higher then lando

brittle spade
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im talking about the chiyu

vapid plaza
rose juniper
rose juniper
jade rover
halcyon pantherBOT
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rose juniper
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Ill take a quick peek at it

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In a sec

rose juniper
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oke

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the team is actually pretty decent

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im only just not too sure about the sneasler (I just don't think its a very good mon in dou, but if you like it don't let that stop you) and the combination of grimmsnarl and sinistcha. While I understand the idea of having btoh damage reduction and recovery for your 2 set up sweepers I still do not think its a good match, with both youre just too passive imo. Also both your set up sweepers are weak to ground and in a tier where lando dominates and has excess to a spread ground move with 120 bp thats quite the risk to take

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now as for your sets

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or your friend's sets I should say

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there are a few things id take a look at

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mainly hands but maybe also at sinis in terms of EVs

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hands for sure can be better

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there are quite a few hands spreads out there but for clear amulet + SD I like the following spread:

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Happy Family (Iron Hands) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 48 HP / 200 Atk / 120 Def / 132 SpD / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Drain Punch
  • Fake Out
  • Swords Dance
  • Ice Punch
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I did this spread a while ago so I couldn't tell you why it is what it is

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as for the sinis

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the spread looks a bit all over the place and maybe its for something specific im unaware of but to me it looks like that can do with some optimization

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and while we are on the topic of optimizing your spreads

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there are 2 golden rules generally speaking id say

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  1. if you want bulk, invest in HP. Unless the defensive stat in question is less then half of the HP stat, in that case it can be more beneficial to invest in the very low defensive stat, however even then you still often want to invest some in HP and strike a good balance there.
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  1. Make sure your HP stat is uneven. Pokemon always rounds down so that means that if your tornadus for example switches into stealth rocks it takes 25% with an even HP stat and 24% with an uneven HP stat. This effects basically all the damage so keep that in mind. At lvl 100 your pokemon (99% of the time) start off with an uneven HP stat and when you put in 4 or 252 EVs into HP it turns even so you wanna avoid that, instead put in 248 EVs for example.
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as for tera's

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I would advise to change a few

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especially hands

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generally speaking you don't want a tera that shares a weakness with its normal typing, I assume here it is to avoid burns but wisp isn't very common and generally speaking you would much rather use a good defensive tera, either water or grass (I prefer water)

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the other tera's are fine

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you could consider changing the tera on sneasler for a more offensive one like poison or fighting but ill leave that to you

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I do just wanna go back to sneasler here for a sec

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its a bit of a conflicting mon on this team I would say

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on one hand, you don't run fake out but double stab with unburden making it an offensive pokemon but then it also has coaching which ofcourse functions as support. I would advise to choose one of the two

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either offensive sneasler (fake out is a fine move to cover coaching with but acrobatics also works well enough although you don't need it since youre also running a poison move), or you go the support route (and then I would just swap it out for something else)

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besides all of that

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items look good to me, you can leave that the way it is

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and then I suppose we only have the movesets left

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id say it looks all alright besides the hands

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I would prefer ice punch over fire punch for sure cause of lando

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but if you feel like youre getting a lot out of fire punch ig you could keep it (but id advise ice punch)

jade rover
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i see

rose juniper
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well thats all

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I hope it helped

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if you have any more questions juist @ me

jade rover
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ill tell her about the optimizations

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thank you

rose juniper
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👍

jade rover
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also also

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ive found quite a lot of sucess with it

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my Peak was 1714 on dou

rose juniper
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Sure, ill take a peek at it tomorrow tho since its quite late for me but ill get back to you

rose juniper
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oke

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im not super sure on what to say about the team itself. The team is one of those very physically offensive oriented orthworm teams which are quite curious to begin with

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I like those type of teams but they are not without flaw, often being quite weak to glimm, incin (or intim spam) and strong special breakers

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which is just inherent of running those kind of teams

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so all in all I feel like I got less to say about the team specificly but rather more on the type of team that it is

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but writing a mini essay on orthworm phys teams isn't really the purpose of the RMT so ill leave that be for now hahaha

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as for the team itself

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I think it looks good

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I like it

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however I would change the ogerpon spread

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I really really hate ogerpon waters that aren't faster then lando

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having an ogerpon wellspring being slower then chi-yu and lando just does not sit right with me hahaha

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I personally like this spread:
Ogerpon (Ogerpon-Wellspring) (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 176 HP / 140 Atk / 192 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Horn Leech
  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Spiky Shield
  • Follow Me
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gives you a nice 334 speed stat (332 used to be standard but you wanna speed creep above that to 333 but people have started to catch on so you wanna speed creep above the speed creep id say (ik))

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also keeps good bulk while making sure your HP stat is uneven

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ofc you can also run more bulk or more offense but this is the one I use

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then there is that both the worm and ting have even HP stats

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for orthworm its kinda whatever but for ting I would really adjust that, just put in 4 more or take 4 out of HP

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as for chien

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I would just go tera ghost but if stellar is doing the work for you then keep it ig

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and I think thats prolly all there really is to say about the team

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it has it flaws like every other orthworm team but it also makes up for that in a way with the many advantages that type of team has

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its just kind of a trade-off

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@jade rover

jade rover
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oh wow

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ill do the adjustments

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thank you so much twin

rose juniper
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np 👍

rough blade
rose juniper
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Sure

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Ill take a look at it in about one and a half hours

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Unless someone beats me to it

rough blade
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Thank you I appreciate it!

rose juniper
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alright

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this team would definitely fall in the category of cheese, and cheese does not get rewarded nor does it preform in doubles (and also not in singles tbh), everything above 1400 is going to be able to deal with it most of the time and under 1400 its not going to preform consistently because cheese is just simply not consistent. A lof of less experienced players generally gravitate towards cheese (so did I, I started playing on showdown with on the AG ladder with a minimize stored power clefable 😭) and one of the first steps of becoming a better player is to not fall for the cheese/mouse trap

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so if im completely honest

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if youre looking for a good consistent team for ladder, you should just use something else with a different concept and scrap this

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so I do not think its really worthwhile rating this team purely because the rate would mostly contain a lot of mon changes and then we kinda get a team of theseus dilemma

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however

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based on your team I can give you a bit of advise when it comes to building, its not much but it is important to know when EVing your pokemon

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for EVing there are 2 golden rules generally speaking id say

  1. if you want bulk, invest in HP. Unless the defensive stat in question is less then half of the HP stat, in that case it can be more beneficial to invest in the very low defensive stat, however even then you still often want to invest some in HP and strike a good balance there.
  2. Make sure your HP stat is uneven. Pokemon always rounds down so that means that if your tornadus for example switches into stealth rocks it takes 25% with an even HP stat and 24% with an uneven HP stat. This effects basically all the damage so keep that in mind. At lvl 100 your pokemon (99% of the time) start off with an uneven HP stat and when you put in 4 or 252 EVs into HP it turns even so you wanna avoid that, instead put in 248 EVs for example.
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while you didn't do some weird defensive EVs you did give a lot of your mons an even HP stat which is something you wanna avoid

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this was probably not the rate you were looking for so my apologies for that however I thought it was better to give you the real advise for what you wanted rather then edit a team that wouldn't accomplish what you are looking for

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@rough blade

rough blade
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It's all good, thank you for the honest feedback! I usually use a hyper offense sun team that got me teetering around the 1550-1590 range

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the terrakion whimiscott had me nostalgic from sword/shield and I kind of made a mess of a team

rough blade
rose juniper
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so you'd like a terracotta team?

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if you want we can work on one

rough blade
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that would be great! I'm pretty novice regarding team building

rose juniper
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no worries, I gotta take care of something else first but that shouldn't take more then 5 min

rough blade
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take your time, I'm working on an assignment rn so I'll be on and off anyways :)

rose juniper
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I would take this as the core

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its almost the same as yours but whim is outspeeding torn here

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and I gave it endeavor over moonblast

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you can put Mblast over it if you prefer but im just not seeing whim put in actually damage thats worth it

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I feel like we should now look at a mon that can deal with ogerpon water

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oger is generally speaking quite strong into these teams, partially for (sometimes) being faster then terrak with super effective damage but mainly for having follow me which completely stops the strat

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maybe we should put taunt over encore on whims just for that scenerio

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this gen its definitely harder to pull off a terracotta sweep then it was in gen 8 so I think we should also look at 4 others that do not support or rely on terracotta to work purely for consistency sake

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incase you encounter something that blocks terracotta from working its good to have an actual team to work with as a back up

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I also think stealth rocks fit nicely on this team to help with sashed mons vs terrak but thats definitely not a priority rn for the team but it is something to keep in mind

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a while ago I made a small lists of cores I like to use to help me build a bit quicker

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if you want we can take a core from this list (keep in mind they are geared towards my weird preferences)

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idk if anything here peeks your interest

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if not no worries

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@rough blade

normal aurora
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Idk why it feels so weird seeing a spectrier without calyrex

rough blade
# rose juniper

maybe soft sun? raging bolt could help with oger wellspring right?

rough blade
rose juniper
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and then we put a chiyu on it, could be nasty plot set up or scarf

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and then we put an oger counter last

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@rough blade

rough blade
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Hi sorry for the late response!

rough blade
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would kyurem be considered an oger counter?

final kestrel
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Against waterpon for sure.

rough blade
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awesome

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would I be able to run the spectrier with a sash instead? It would be nice to have wisp and calm mind

rough blade
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being faster to taunt tornadus is a godsend

rose juniper
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nice

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however you could also optimize the chi spread a little

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since youre scarf you don't need max speed

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Fireball (Chi-Yu) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 112 HP / 248 SpA / 148 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Dark Pulse
  • Heat Wave
  • Overheat
  • Snarl
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this also works fine and gives you a bit of extra bulk

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I would change the tera as well to ghost

rough blade
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will do thanks for all the help!

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oh I was curious why chi yu runs overheat I never really like using it because of its accuracy

shrewd iron
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It's just a kill button, if you miss, well, unfort

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90% isn't low

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It's just pokemon

rough blade
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i heart gambling

harsh shadow
halcyon pantherBOT
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rose juniper
harsh shadow
rose juniper
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alright

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so whats the goal of the team?

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is it supposed to be a fun squad to have some fun with your favourite guys

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or is it to be super competitive

harsh shadow
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both but more comp

brittle spade
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you could run those 6 and do okayish on ladder but not with those sets

rose juniper
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what do you want us to do? help you fix the sets or make it a better team with mon changes

harsh shadow
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fix the sets with one or 2 mon changes

rose juniper
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alright

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before I do that tho im gonna be real with you for a sec, rain sucks really hard this meta and I say that with pain in my heart since its my favourite weather but its just not that great

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just fyi

harsh shadow
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aight

rose juniper
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I wanna start with the suggestion to remove either amoonguss or dozo for a chien pao

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personally id ditch the dozo

brittle spade
harsh shadow
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i put it there cus i needed a bulky mon and smn physichal cus i got walled

rose juniper
rose juniper
harsh shadow
rose juniper
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meanwhile chien will help dnite turn into a win con

harsh shadow
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im listening

rose juniper
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are you familiar with the chien Dnite core?

harsh shadow
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na

rose juniper
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oke

harsh shadow
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my team was centered around pelliper and primaina

rose juniper
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so the core exists out of chien pao and dragonite (ik shocker) where chien rocks the standart sash set and dnite runs choiceband Espeed max attack adamant tera normal

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the power that gives you + chien is ungodly

rose juniper
harsh shadow
rose juniper
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no what you wanna run instead is this (1 sec im finding the set):

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Rupert (Dragonite) @ Choice Band
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Extreme Speed
  • Dragon Claw
  • Facade
  • Stomping Tantrum
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Espeed is mandatory, the other 3 are free to fill as you like as long as its physical

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this is my preferred set but some people might like different moves

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making your team look like this

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last move on pao can either be throatchop or protect

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most people prefer tect however I like throat better, just go with whatever feels right for you

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same goes for the nature

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I like adamant but others might prefer jolly

harsh shadow
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thanks a lot

rose juniper
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the spreads/set changes ratpacker gave you are also great so those are good to go

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there is 1 more change you could consider and that is glimmora over something

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but this should already be a steady improvement

rough blade
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@rose juniper Hi I wanted to thank you I'm in 62nd on ladder with the team you helped me with :D

rose juniper
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Happy to help

polar orbit
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Hello everyone, I'm new to this Discord and I need some help with the double ou 4gen format. Can I send my team here and ask for your help?

torpid moat
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you can yeah

torpid moat
peak crypt
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I can do a sanity check but Hugo knows the format better

normal aurora
peak crypt
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Things like “do you have good moves or do you have Poltergeist on your Gholdengo,” EV efficiency, basic threat list check

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(I know Gholdengo does not exist in DPP, that’s just my weird moves example. I have seen it several times somehow)

normal aurora
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Ive seen poltergeist nasty plot gengar

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Im not joking

peak crypt
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Same deal there yup

polar orbit
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@peak crypt , @rose juniper
My team is composed as follows:

  • Empoleon (surf spammer tank but speed controller with Icy Wind)
  • Toxicroak (best friend along with Empoleon because it absorbs surf and manages to set up Icy Wind and allow for a better sweep)
  • Snorlax (tanker for Metagross and Salamence)
  • Salamence (I use it as a rain setter and sweeper)
  • Metagross (choice scarf)
  • Ludicolo (rain sweeper)
    As you can see, it's almost the same as the VGC 09 team. I liked it and wanted to try changing something to use it in OU. My problem, however, is that I can't find a way to counter Jirachi and Latias well. There's Salamence with Flamethrower, Snorlax, and Metagross with Earthquake, but if someone brings both Pokémon as leads, I'm screwed because Latias with Dragon Meteor Shot takes out both Salamence and Ludicolo and tanks the others well. I'm looking for someone who can handle both Latias and Jirachi and maybe take them out easily, or at least make the job easier for the others. I was thinking about Heatran, but then I changed my mind because it would be weakened by the rain. Can you tell me what I could change?
peak crypt
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To be perfectly honest, I would not recommend using this team in the current format, since Self-Destruct and Explosion have both been banned

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With that said though, you don’t really need one Pokémon to take on both of those

polar orbit
peak crypt
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Ludicolo and Empoleon should be good enough against Jirachi with Rain-boosted Water moves, and Empoleon and Metagross can both switch in on Latios and threaten it

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and Latias as a lead is exceedingly rare

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peak crypt
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The answer to this is really just knowing which Pokemon can stay in on what, honestly

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Don’t just let your Pokémon get smoked unless it furthers your game plan

polar orbit
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Of course, it seems obvious to me that you should try not to let your useful Pokémon get defeated and know which ones to use, how to use them, and when to use them. My general problem is that with this team, I can't manage Jirachi (especially him) and Latias very well. Empoleon and Toxickroak can handle them, but they're not always there, and the biggest problem is Jirachi because he can be annoying with Serene Grace and start paralyzing everyone with Body Slam, which is serious with this team. I think I've been as clear as possible now and explained myself as best I can. If you need to understand what moves or strategies I could adopt that I may not know about or haven't thought of, I can send you my team's Pokepaste here to give you a better overview.

rose juniper
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hey

rose juniper
rose juniper
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however if you are hellbent on using these 6 then I think with some adaptations to movesets and playstyle it should also be enough to get around rachi and lati

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your team already features 2 pokemon who have acces to fake out which should give you enough room to position around rachi and lati

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its not bad

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you can keep fargi but generally speaking im not a fan of it unless its on semiroom but its a fine mon so if you like it keep it

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also don't forget to make your oger lvl 100

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the torn EVs do look a bit funky to me

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is it for anything specific?

sly fern
# rose juniper is it for anything specific?

sry for the long replay, the def evs are made so torn could surivive surging strikes from mystic water urshifu while at least one attack from raging bolt av and cm sets and a generally strong special attacks for one time

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sly fern
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I would give it more speed since you do want to outspeed ogerpons, you could go max speed so you always outspeed but the most common oger atm is oger-wellspring and that guy usually runs something between 332 - 336

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and then you can put the rest into either HP or spatk or a mix

sly fern
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with spe boosting nature

rose juniper
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yeah

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you wanna be faster then 336 id say

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or be 336

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since its rare for slower ogers to speedcreep that much

sly fern
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the speed is 337

rose juniper
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with speed nature?

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must be right

sly fern
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ye without it's max is like something 320

rose juniper
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yh

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but that works

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I would also take off helmet

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I assume it was for urshi

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but torn can generally better use cloak

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or something like that

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you could even run heatrock if you really want a long sunnyday

sly fern
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yeah that could be good, also quick question generally speaking who's the most viable sun or rain?

rose juniper
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sun

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100% sun

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rain used to be by far the strongest back when archaludon still existed in the tier

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however that guy got put in dubers

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so now its sun

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the problem rain has in the current meta is a lack of strong abusers

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you can still run rain but then youre mainly using soft rain rather then hard rain (soft rain serving for damage reduction or boosting for fire and water moves and making stuff like bleakwind and sandstorm be 100% acc and hard rain being swiftswim abusers)

sly fern
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ok then, anyway other then torn is there is any possible suggestions you have for some changes? you did say fargi isn't that ideal but I wanted something that can deal with annoying trickroom

rose juniper
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fargi is fine if you value that

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maybe give the guy helping hand over psyshock but its also fine how it is now

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just preference stuff

sly fern
rose juniper
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np

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rose juniper
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so which pokemon do you consider part of the core?

polar orbit
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toxicroak, salamance and ludicolo

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items and EVS can be changed for everyone.

torpid moat
# sly fern https://pokepast.es/e6f95cf010d20ab5

this looks like pretty straightforward fat bolt setup, imo you can get away with cutting incin for ghold or firepon or lando-i here, should help a lot with diancie as tclap bolt has a lot of trouble with it and rilla is the only other mon that can hit diancie

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I'd lean a little more towards lando in this case though because you're a little lacking for attackers and need something to hit incin too

rose juniper
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Thank you anyway for your efforts to help me, I am truly grateful.

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I am very new to comp I am making an double ou team. I want something that just stalls I quickly whipped this up. its probably flaming trash but wanted a starting point so you can better give me your advise and see me idea.

https://pokepast.es/9db8c8d7590923f9

Lead 1: Ting-Lu anti special with ruination for ez chip early(just realiseed i need to put a terra type on him.)
lead 2: Grimmsnarl early screens good anti everything + debuff
lead 3: really need to change someone to be physically bulky
lead 4:Rillaboom seems like a really good pairing with ting lu the more i thing about it

Bulk
almost everyone

sweepers

Glimmora but with toxis spikes can do some setup
Gouging Fire howl for some setup and decent debuffs
Rillaboom

support

Cresselia future sight as swapping can easily be punished by them team even though normally not good also healing tanks = fun
Rillaboom Fake Out so kind of but more os a sweeper

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this is my just throwing a team together with basic synergies(in my mind atleast)
I fully realise this probably needs a lot of changes

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Again Newbie here

simple tree
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Current thoughts

Cresselia isnt doing too much
Future Sight is ok
Ice Beam is decent coverage but could be better specially with Cresselias low dmg
TR doesnt fit the team that well

Idea
swap creselia to
calm mind
stored power
moonblast
lunar blessing

Rillaboom
wood hammer has too much recoil to fit

currently cant find a good move to replace
if a member is swapper out its probably going to be Rilla or Cres

Ting-lu
overall decent
2 spike/stealth rocks is iffy
EVs could 100% be better

Iron hands volt switch?

Overall could prob have better tera

sly fern
simple tree
sly fern
shrewd iron
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Rillaboom is much more valuable with assault vest, a team like this needs a sweeper, I would put sword dance on iron hands

simple tree
sly fern
simple tree
torpid moat
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ah hang on a sec

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waffle is giving more correct advice here

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your team still needs some kind of damage carry like sd clear amulet hands, you're really lacking in any offense to take advantage of all your defensive support

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clear amulet drain punch/fire punch/swords dance/protect

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you do want assault vest rilla, rilla can be the one who runs fake out, can be over knock off

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double hazards ting lu is also fine

simple tree
torpid moat
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fighting/fire hits everything that you need it to either se or neutral

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only misses out on weird edge cases like primarina

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what's more important is that your hands actually has the damage to power through stuff with clam + sd

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instead of it getting intimidated once by incin + faked out and then becoming completely useless

simple tree
simple tree
torpid moat
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if you want an alternative there's also bulk up okidogi, since guard dog provides intimidate + whirlwind immunity

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but imo hands is better here

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wood hammer is pretty valuable on rilla, it'll only have significant recoil if you actually kill something, in which case you came out positive regardless

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imo the biggest question mark here is the heatran

simple tree
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yeah swapped his set a dozen time already so he prob need to go

torpid moat
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you might just be better off with a volcanion or something in that slot

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ah, or ursaluna actually

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basically you want more immediate damage/wincons to take advantage of all your defensive stuff

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hmm

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a few of the usual setup wincons I'd normally recommend clash a little here

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like cm raging bolt, np goltres, or np gholdengo

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I think you could try either guts flame orb regular ursaluna, or calm mind blood moon

simple tree
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ah right cm cress

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that'd be a lot more useful than this weird future sight stuff you have rn

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though moonblast will be fairly useless

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I'd just keep trick room on it and rely on guts ursaluna + iron hands to kill darks/steels

simple tree
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keep safty googles or is there a better item?

torpid moat
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try grassy seed then

simple tree
torpid moat
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with dark tera to avoid prankster taunt

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luna should be normal tera, hands prefers water or dragon for defensive types

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but yeah overall seems a lot more reasonable version of a fat ting lu squad

simple tree
torpid moat
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it's moreso that you kinda just expect something as slow paced as cm cress to get knocked eventually

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in most games it's probably correct to just not use it for cm ever and just switch to attackers

simple tree
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Kyurem, Roaring Moon and Chi-Yu (outside of spamming light screens) seem like really bad matchups no?

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prob going to give ting lu some more spdef

peak crypt
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Switching to Tera Fire on Hands will help too—Fairy doesn’t really do much for Iron Hands besides remove the Ground weakness, which you can afford to skip, but Fire gives you burn immunity and another out to a Fire/Ice resist besides Rilla

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yup, fire hands also better than fairy for sure

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though imo water is safer for clearing ground weakness

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burn is less of a concern on a cress luna team

simple tree
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Ended up playing like 15-20 games with the team here are my thoughts so far.

Ting lu + grim feels like a really strong lead.
Rilla lead feel good into a chunk of teams but those are the only leads that feel good to me.

Ursa outside of tr takes a ton of dmg cause it to die a lot but that’s prob due to bad gameplay. Also for some reason ghost types with levitate are reasonably popular or I got unlucky.

Iron hands is constant bulk/dmg and an amazing counter but feels bad as a main sweeper if ursa goes down

Rilla overall don’t think he fits super well.

Cress feels below average on most metrics despite me not using her much. Not using cm much but feels good info other bulky teams but overall sucks outside of that.

Grim and ting are almost perfect.

Team synergies.

Feels difficult to make use of the hazards although the 2 times I got a double ki with whirlwind felt good.

Despite being very bulky the teams falls short in terms of waiting it out.

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you're usually just getting one layer of spikes and stealth rocks before spamming whirlwind

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the team isn't great against tournament teams because it gets farmed by nasty plot gholdengo but you should be doing well on ladder with it

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rillaboom is the mon you can least remove off the team

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the easiest to remove would be grimmsnarl and ting lu

simple tree
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what are you going for feelwise then

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simple tree
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but anything more passive and you'll be stomped on by gholdengo setup teams

simple tree
brittle spade
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build away, im just providing you examples of stuff people have used

lunar vessel
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oh i got two sashes so ignore whimsicott's and assume it's wearing a heat rock (pls ping me on reply btw)

brittle spade
lunar vessel
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Gen 7 dou

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Sorry forgot to say it

brittle spade
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dancer is very weak in all the doubles tiers

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you're also relying on salamence to check half the tier

lunar vessel
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I should run someone else instead of oricorio then right?

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Tomorrow i'll look into my team's main weaknesses that could use some better coverage and pick a pokemon based on that

brittle spade
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and this for salamence :
Salamence-Mega @ Salamencite
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 180 Atk / 76 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

  • Double-Edge
  • Hyper Voice
  • Tailwind
  • Protect
    you don't need rock slide
hollow pasture
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Dont ever insult rock slide

lunar vessel
lunar vessel
brittle spade
lunar vessel
brittle spade
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you do more damage to kartana

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if you want coverage for salamence you're gonna be looking at fire blast or hydro pump

lunar vessel
brittle spade
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yes

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there's also crunch

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for stuff like aegislash

lunar vessel
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It's easier to run a single kind of attack stat and then a coverage right? At least in terms of building the pokemon
Idk i'm just not used to mixed attackers not focusing on only one of the sttack stats

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Just guessing, i know these sets are more popular for a reason

brittle spade
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it's easier yes, you can either take that set which is the sample set or you can just focus on a single attack stat

torpid moat
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it's harder set-building wise to figure out a mixed set, but the set has already been figured out for you here and it's not more difficult to play

hollow harbor
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https://pokepast.es/f2842d8286a19c68
Hi im new. This is my current Doubbles UU Triage Trevenant team... with sun...
Have i spread to thin here? Is there any way to have Triage Trevenant viable? sould i give up on sun?

sacred merlin
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otherwise if you really want to focus on the skill swap triage gimmick, there are probably better abusers then trevenant, can explore that if you want to

hollow harbor
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is there no way contrary lurantis is viable either?
I would explore other triage exploiters, i have looked at so many mons, but i feel like it would need atleast 2 drain moves

sacred merlin
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contrary lurantis is workable under certain circumstances, but not relly here, if you want to find the most success with it I would try gen 7 or 8 dou, however it is in theory workable in duu just would require reshaping of the team

exotic lynx
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https://pokepast.es/a3ff5359630f0987 Made a doubles team based around mega sceptile for a double battle event my buddy is hosting with a bunch of friends lmk what you think! (flash fire is on arcanine only for a specific match up)

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torpid moat
hollow harbor
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understood, i will look into the lurantis then

torpid moat
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you'd have to fiddle with it, but yeah lurantis is at least justifiable

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a big plus is being strong against mons like rockpon and brute bonnet

hollow harbor
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i figured it would be nice agains intimidate

torpid moat
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there's not too too much intimidate in duu, but it does exist

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dogi is generally better unless you're investing heavily into trick room btw

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also the biggest downside is that it's an attacker that provides little utility to aid tr set and it's basically never workable on a tr lead, you have to bring it in once tr has already set

hollow harbor
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gotcha, good tip

torpid moat
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your evs also look very inefficient

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if you want to increase bulk, as a rule of thumb you should invest in hp first

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the main niche of electabuzz and togekiss is follow me

desert lantern
sacred merlin
desert lantern
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desert lantern
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any recomendations for fakeout users?

sacred merlin
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incineroar (tho you would have to replace firepon (maybe with another ogerpon)) and iron hands mainly

desert lantern
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i chose a tera water iron hands

torpid moat
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you could also do hands + wake over amoong + lando

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wake is a pretty natural pick for torkoal semiroom because it fixes a lot of issues you'd otherwise have with incineroar, lando-i, and gholdengo

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and incin or hands would add fake out as explained earlier

desert lantern
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i changed ladn to iron ahdns earlier

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should i bring incin instead?

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hands is fine, but yeah in that case run wake over the amoong, amoong is pretty clunky because firepon does most of its job

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torpid moat
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the biggest issue is probably the lack of role compression, you're spending way too many slots with deo/araq and arguably the cyclizar

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instead of screens, you can run wisp pollen puff tailwind mew

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much more reliable speed control over araq, plus gives decent sustain/damage reduction for your fat stuff

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and that would free up a ton of space to run generically strong mons like goltres, rockpon, metagross, etc

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because right now only basc and volcanion are actual attackers

quick pagoda
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okay!! thank you! i'll try & experiment with the mew option you gave me to add more offense

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brittle spade
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regieleki is very weak in the current meta

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your rillaboom should also really run wood hammer over knock off that does nothing

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this team will fall off heavily after 1600 elo on ladder because rain and the mons you're using are too weak

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hello poke fam i m very very new to pokemon like i started playing since (JULY this year)and apologies my english is very poor…..i just wanted to know like i got 1609 elo in Dou ..is it considered good and if not then like how much elo shows that you are a good player?

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The only thing here that seems “wrong” is Tera Fighting on the Farigiraf

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Fairy would be a much better Tera on Farigiraf, it adds all the same resistances besides Rock (which is very rarely going to matter) while also granting a Dragon immunity and a Fighting resistance

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Outrage on Basculegion also seems kind of weird as opposed to just Aqua Jet

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I think this team looks a little bit awkward to play though, you have a solid backbone of Incin Farig Amoonguss but all of your attackers are somewhat situational

brittle spade
robust cargo
stark hollow
brittle spade
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Because on the team you're posting ursaluna is so much better. And you would really rather run more support for snorlax

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Like clefairy or sinistcha

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Unfortunately as this is a competitive rmt channel we will keep recommending that you take off clodsire and araquanid, which are preventing you from having a higher winrate

stark hollow
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fair enough, I can use more meta now that I have reached 1700

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so idm taking mons out

brittle spade
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You can replace regidrago ogerpon by sinistcha moltres if you want

stark hollow
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I will probably try a non TR team, but I will try that first

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alright

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so whats the point of the team @final robin ?

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is it to be super competitive or to have fun with your 6 favourite guys?

final robin
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Mainly just wanna give Electivire a way to work which I found to be a discharge absorber that spams 100% accurate thunder

rose juniper
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so more of a gimmick team?

final robin
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A bit, really any way to use Electivire effectively is what I’m going for

rose juniper
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hmmmm, I mean its most effective way to use it would just to put in on a meta team and replace one of the guys with it or otherwise try it more as a support mon with follow me, twave and screens or helping hand

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but then it wouldn't be the star of the show

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so if thats what youre going for I think its best to leave your teams structure largely as it is

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and just work a bit on the spreads and find a replacement for incin and or toxicroak

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this is what I would do

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I changed up a few tera's and spreads

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most notably, kingdra has now an actual water move

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and I made electivire physical rather then special but if you really want you can ofc change that back

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I removed croak and incin, they were slowing the team down too much id say

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and replaced them with lando and diancie

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lando is there as just a strong guy that works well with rain and diancie is here as the Pao Dnite + TR counter

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thundy has now tera ice tera blast incase you need to snipe a lando

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@final robin

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this team will always have its struggles and limitations since you want it to feature electrive as a main star so keep that in mind

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the guy can be phys or special but I felt it better to be phys

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I just realised I forgot its phys moveset

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tera blast on tera flyings can be quite nice since oger is such a relevant mon

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incase you wanna go special id go with this set:

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Electivire (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Thunder
  • Tera Blast
  • Volt Switch
  • Protect
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you could consider weather ball over tera blast there

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to get rid of lando's

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but ill leave that decision with you

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hope it helped

final robin
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Tysm! I really appreciate it

rose juniper
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👍

sly fern
tight spire
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tight spire
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I use an Assault Vest one with Blizzard/Freeze Dry/Earth Power

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And either Draco Meteor or flash cannon

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Depends on whether u wanna Draco ogerpon H or flash cannon diancie more