#Smogon Doubles Rates

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lethal bough
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thanks for the advice

agile tundra
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agile tundra
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Agility crown is actually a pretty good mid-late game sweeper I’ve found, especially with Tera dragon upping the dragon cheer boost

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Couple interchangeables I can see:
Pollen puff/giga drain/energy ball
Temper flare/flare blitz (for t-room sweep)
Psychic/ dazzling gleam
Hydro steam/any other water stab
Focus blast/protect/tera blast

trail iron
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brittle spade
trail iron
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To win games

urban summit
brittle spade
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Either you keep politoed kingdra or you keep the two ice types and you build around them

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Hail needs strong answers to fire and steel types

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Rain needs answer to hail and sun

urban summit
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agile tundra
brittle spade
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Yeah, it's not the best rain mon but it'll do ok

sick tide
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This team is gonna be wack, but I really wanna make Regi work. Any suggestions? I chose doubles OU because there's no way I'll be able to keep him up in singles. The idea is Hat trick room for regi's slow start, and moody clangorous sash smeargle to give regis extra stats and hopefully keep him alive. Then I do my best to keep him alive w sinistcha. Incin and slowking were backups in case regi dies, so feel free to replace those entirely with better mon if anyone sees something that works better. https://pokepast.es/d7f3f4d7b984e956

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brittle spade
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it's already barely salvageable in that tier

torpid moat
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there are a few decent skill swap + coach users like meloetta and mew

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all duu legal btw

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and there should be an ngas weezing somewhere probably

sick tide
sick tide
sick tide
torpid moat
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glowking prob

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hatt is also just a bad mon though

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and if you're gonna use incin it should not be life orb

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and it has knock off over lariat

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or I suppose parting shot over lariat

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I mostly mean knock off is just better lariat

buoyant wolf
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Could anyone look at my team?

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south vale
polar lotus
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Intresting

polar lotus
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Im actually thinking about getting a competitive helper role

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So i guess trying to rate a team would be a good start

polar lotus
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the main thing I would try to fix is I guess replacing lurantis with either a tornadus or a diff support pokemon

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And I guess for liligant hisui I would give it tera fire or steel

polar lotus
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Hopefully that wasnt too shit of a first time trying to rate a team

south vale
polar lotus
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umm ok

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For sinistcha I guess I would replace wiki berry with a mental herb

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mainly so that you can’t get taunted

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oh

south vale
polar lotus
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and replace scald with rage powder

south vale
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Oh

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I guess I could do that

polar lotus
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The main problem with sinistcha is that its meant to be more of a support pokemon

south vale
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Hm

polar lotus
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And tera fire for sinischa

south vale
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That could work

polar lotus
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Oh yea for incineroar I would give it a diff item

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mainly since its really gimmicky to see an opponent use a move like stealth rock or spikes

south vale
polar lotus
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Stealth rock isnt as good in doubles compared to singles

south vale
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For sinischa I’ve been using it as a chip pokemon

polar lotus
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And for incineroars tera, I would give it grass or water

polar lotus
south vale
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Sinischa just kinda sits there and matcha gatcha

polar lotus
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ok

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for pecharunt I would run recover over curse

south vale
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And then snipes with scald or hex

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It helps check goldengo

south vale
polar lotus
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tbh your ogerpon is a really good answer to gholdengo

south vale
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Yea that’s true

polar lotus
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I think thats it, overall it looks pretty solid

south vale
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Yea I really like it, thanks for discussing it!

polar lotus
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np

buoyant wolf
peak crypt
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with all due respect

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both of these teams need a lot of work

buoyant wolf
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Mine?

peak crypt
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yours and nothingpersonalkid's

buoyant wolf
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Oh

peak crypt
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Toxtricity is just a Pokemon that you should not use

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it just doesn't have the stats to compete and it doesn't really have any strong matchups

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Lurantis is kind of cool but I don't think it can hang on teams without Trick Room, and stacking Grasses in this format isn't great unless it's specifically Rillaboom Ogerpon

buoyant wolf
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Alright

peak crypt
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I am a believer in Hisuian Arcanine but I don't think Assault Vest is the set

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I think it wants to be Choice Band

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but you could also run a Trick Room mode with Diancie over Arcanine

buoyant wolf
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Ok

peak crypt
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also you don't really want Booster Energy on Walking Wake when you already have Torkoal

buoyant wolf
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Any other possible substitutes

peak crypt
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hard drop the Toxtricity for Raging Bolt if you really want an Electric type

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if you go Diancie over Arcanine you can kind of keep the Lurantis around, but I'd probably just go Assault Vest with Leaf Blade + Superpower instead of Leaf Storm + Synthesis

buoyant wolf
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Sounds good

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Wait I thought lurantis didn't learn superpower in gen 9

peak crypt
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it got it back with Indigo Disk

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idk why they took it away but it's back!

buoyant wolf
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Oh wait no I'm thinking of close combat

peak crypt
buoyant wolf
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I like this team thanks for the help

peak crypt
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yw

peak crypt
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you have somehow picked six good Pokemon (or five good ones and one decent one) and missed the things that make all of them good

peak crypt
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you've got the motivation but I don't think your game knowledge is quite at the level to be actively rating teams

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and being around a bunch of people talking about DOU will help with that

buoyant wolf
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Do you know any DOU servers I know you're talking about him but I want to get better at DOU

peak crypt
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this is the official DOU server

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@buoyant wolf

buoyant wolf
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Thank you

buoyant wolf
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If there is a tm

peak crypt
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egg

buoyant wolf
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Ok

urban summit
# buoyant wolf https://pokepast.es/3c43b9bab23f3a58

an okay team but laurantis is unfortunately just really bad expecialy in doubles and boots is not an item you ever run in doubles exept on extreme pivots like incin (where it is still incredibly rare) also toxtricity might be strong in low ladder but you ain‘t fooling anybody up high torcoal liligant is okay if you play it right (there just was somebody who reached 2000 elo with this) rest i mean i won‘t tell you but you should probably use incin

urban summit
urban summit
buoyant wolf
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Ok

polar lotus
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thx for the advice

unborn marten
shell arrow
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Just curious but what are the prerequisites to become a competitive helper/mod in the DOU discord server?

polar lotus
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oh

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You just have to say what metagame you wanna help people with

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and give reasons why you want the role on discord

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dont forget to provide evidence that you know the metagame well

tight spire
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generally to become a helper they'll look for users who they know have experience with said meta etc.

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I actually signed up earlier today for comp helper

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users who've played in plenty of tours on the smogon forums, have had good results, can team build (uh this one may be hard for me to explain worrytoed ) and generally can offer good meta advice

shell arrow
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Hmm I wanna get a custom avatar. I heard that becoming a mod was one of the ways to get one.

bleak vine
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Can someone help me with my team please? I've been in and out of the casual competitive battling scene but want to get back into it. Just a note, I try not to use any legendaries and whilst I know that does hinder me a bit I think it's more fun to play without them. Any tips or tricks or switches for pokemon which you think would be better let me know!

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tight spire
# bleak vine Can someone help me with my team please? I've been in and out of the casual comp...

Not using legendaries is just an artificial restriction, In DOU we rank pokemon by their actual capabilities, not whether they're classified as legendary. Anyways your team should have an Expanded Force user if you're using Psychic Terrain. Reuniclus is Outclassed by Hatterene who is in turn outclassed by Deoxys-Attack and Iron Crown. The Goodra set isn't going to get you that far and lacks any sort of offensive power, being just a dead-weight slot. Liligant wants After You and sleep powder and Protect. Samurott is weird here and generally probably not a good idea

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I think you should look at this team made by Tyo

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this team has a similar sun-psyspam structure going on and I recommend you play with this team instead

bleak vine
tight spire
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if you want you can put blood moon on it

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but it's not as offensively powerful as regular ursaluna

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this team should be very good for ladder since tyo used it to reach 2000 elo

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so its beginner friendly

bleak vine
tight spire
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the general simple "zero thoughts" lead you'd do with this would be like

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Lead Deoxys-Attack and Indeedee-F

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set trick room with indeedee

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try to get a few kills with deoxys before it dies

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(and it will get at least one)

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then with deoxys dead you can send in hatterene, torkoal or ursaluna to clean up

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These 3 are among the highest damage output mons in Trick Room

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so it'll be difficult for an opponet to survive them

bleak vine
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Ty!

tight spire
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np!

buoyant wolf
uncut blaze
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Is this any good

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naive wyvern
brittle spade
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Then get a tailwind user

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And put something like amoonguss

peak crypt
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I hate to say it but I think both of you would be better off just running sample teams

brittle spade
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Yeah, that

uncut blaze
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:p

peak crypt
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the Pokemon and set choices here are just... really difficult to work with

brittle spade
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Give them a spin

peak crypt
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and it's hard to get from what you have now to a good team without completely gutting it and starting over

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Toni since you're here: Scarf Incineroar is awful, Kleavor is mediocre at best, Assault Vest Iron Hands literally cannot use Swords Dance and shouldn't be using Earthquake, Gholdengo is almost okay, Iron Crown really only belongs on Indeedee teams, and Pincurchin...

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I like to say Pincurchin's best move is Memento because it means you no longer have a Pincurchin on your team

uncut blaze
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yikes

peak crypt
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the Pokemon is that bad

uncut blaze
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So my team blows alr

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ill make some changes

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scarf incineroar does kinda suck fair enough

peak crypt
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ratpacker's suggestion of using Smogon sample sets is great

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you can also just look at the samples to see what kind of sets people are running

uncut blaze
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Where do I find those sample sets

peak crypt
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have you used the Smogon strategy dex before?

uncut blaze
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Nop

peak crypt
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oh boy

brittle spade
uncut blaze
brittle spade
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And at the bottom there's a thing

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That says sample set

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In the ps teambuilder

peak crypt
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I am now realizing we never got the newest round of sample sets on site

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brb yelling at people

uncut blaze
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lmao

uncut blaze
brittle spade
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For incineroar go on Smogon analysis and take the one from gen8, ss

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Doubles

uncut blaze
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let me take a look

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Yeah that looks pretty good

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Think its any better

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I think the 2 tera Grass is a bit wacky but whatever

urban summit
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(i tried to make it work it didn’t) still kinda good on psyspam team with scarf ngl) is just really slow when adamant with 403 speed with a scarf

urban summit
# uncut blaze https://pokepast.es/6c9c404bb9033522

terra fire incin nah we don‘t do that here otherwise you did an okay job is max spd hands really good? i think you would run max hp tbh but yea sitrus berry on amoong wil get you way more health on average like WAAYYYY more

brittle spade
normal plaza
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normal plaza
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my playthrough team

brittle spade
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But that can change with a few small modifications

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You'll need to pick two pokemon that'll stay, three if you're keeping ogerpon, and we can suggest the appropriate replacements

peak crypt
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is this team for Doubles OU?

normal plaza
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Singles

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My BBA team is doubles oriented

peak crypt
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This is the channel for Doubles OU rates

keen summit
valid mist
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valid mist
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I was thinking maybe hatterene over kingabit or something

tight spire
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I think maybe if you wanna center around mimikyu that you should maybe get something other than sinistcha maybe

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Because it feels like you are in the "flutter mane + Chi-Yu pls kill me" zone

valid mist
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what could work instead?

tight spire
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You only have Incineroar to back you up here against potentially nasty sun teams

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Hmmm

valid mist
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yeah I didn't consider sinistcha could be a problem
I was moreso thinking about kingabit since it gets punched burnt and doesn't resist fairy

tight spire
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Perhaps your own flutter mane, landorus etc

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Sinistcha is a good mon but here it may not be as justified

valid mist
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what could work instead?

tight spire
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You could maybe consider reworking tornadus semi room into it

valid mist
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oh dang

tight spire
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With rain dance to support ogerpon

valid mist
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how would that work idk enough about comp yet

tight spire
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Rain Dance would mostly just be to counter powerful fire types and sun teams etc

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But it also helps your Kingambit survive more attacks

valid mist
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ohhh

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and how does semi room work

tight spire
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It's just where you have fast Pokemon for outside of TR in addition to a few slow one for TR

valid mist
tight spire
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No rain dance should rly only be used on like

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Tornadus

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Or another prankster Pokemon

valid mist
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ohh so

valid mist
tight spire
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I said landorus at first as one possible mon

valid mist
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ohh kay so

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instead of sinischa I could use tornadus rain dance

tight spire
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That's one potential idea, you could also maybe afford to replace Ursaluna as well in that case

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With a landorus for sandsear in the rain

valid mist
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really? it's been like my most effective sweeper yet

valid mist
tight spire
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I imagine Ursaluna has been strong for you in the low ladder

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But when you get higher it becomes much more difficult to use

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Requiring often a heavy amount of support to justify

valid mist
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ohhhh

tight spire
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My ideas are just theory crafting and you should test this out on your own first

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But some other things outside of that: ogerpon wants spike shield over taunt if you do use tornaudus

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Kingambit wants something other than rocky helmet, black glasses or sitrus are fine

valid mist
valid mist
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do I run a regular choice scarf landorus

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?

tight spire
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Life orb

rugged kiln
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Okay
So
I messed around with this team before starting with some cleaning, and all that changed since then was U-Turn being replaced by Protect, and Rapid Spin by Aqua Jet on Oricorio and Quaquaval respectively.
U-Turn's purpose was kinda unnecessary with Mewostic's existence, and Rapid Spin seemed far less useful considering how decently my team either prevented or ignored hazards the few times they were used.
I want to know if this team can be considered competent as of now. What should I change if I were to keep these Pokemon and the team's overall themes?

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tight spire
# rugged kiln Okay So I messed around with this team before starting with some cleaning, and a...

this team is using mostly unviable pokemon and I don't think you could salvage this type of team, I recommend checking out the Doubles OU Viability Rankings (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-doubles-ou-viability-rankings.3710905/) and the samples team pages (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/)

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Welcome to the Doubles OU Viability Ranking project, where we rank the viability of Pokemon in DOU. The floor will always be open to discussion, and after a period of time (roughly every month), the viability rankings council will vote on any of the Pokemon being discussed and...

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Welcome to the Sample Teams thread! This thread is meant to highlight the best of the best teams in the Doubles OU tier. Sample Teams are exemplary teams that have proven themselves to be good and are basic enough for beginners to use, allowing them to pick up the fundamentals of...

rugged kiln
tight spire
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the pokemon on it such as the car, the dance gimmick mon are all really weak and not worth using

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this screams a "ShedinjasGaming69"-type gimmick, or a very one dimensional set up system

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which any competent team can take down

rugged kiln
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I'm not sure I would call it one-dimensional. But whatever you say ig

tardy bear
# rugged kiln I get that it's generally awkward to even consider this a team, but I still want...

More directed criticism would probably be not to have 4 set up Pokemon without protect or consistent support (think bulky Follow Me/Rage Powder, Fake Out mon that can pivot in and out). Weakness Policy is also pretty gimmicky, especially on a Pokemon with mediocre bulk and no safe way to self proc it.

Another notable issues are probably you not looking at the current meta enough, for example, you lack a way to ohko Amoonguss or any spore immunities, other than temporary Kommo-o. Team also hates common stuff like Wellspring Flutter Mane, and a big issue is that the team is a bit too frail and lacks protects to properly pivot around the two.

I imagine you wanted to keep the same strategy and looked for move or Tera type optimisation, but I really don't see the 6 working if you're looking to play competitively :(.

pastel gazelle
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can someone send the new meta team for gen 9 dou?

polar lotus
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@pastel gazelle https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/ heres the website to sample teams that you can try out for urself

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Welcome to the Sample Teams thread! This thread is meant to highlight the best of the best teams in the Doubles OU tier. Sample Teams are exemplary teams that have proven themselves to be good and are basic enough for beginners to use, allowing them to pick up the fundamentals of...

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hopefully this helps

topaz vine
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tight spire
# topaz vine https://pokepast.es/4577cbd891e881a4 Main strategy is to use Aqua Jet on Coalos...

I wouldn't say that aqua jet coalossal is the best strategy, not only is it highly predictable but it really doesn't actually do that much even and is highly vulnerable to intimidate users.

Dragonite wants to run Inner Focus for fake out and intimidate, you'd probably be better off replacing coalossal wth chien-pao to make dragonite the attacker instead. Also wouldn't reccomend Leftovers as an item,

Ursaluna is a difficult pokemon to run without serious backup, It only has Trick Room support from Farigiraf, it doesn't have any evs for tailwind if tornadus were to use it and using coalossal in trick room isn't very good. You could probably increase its speed evs to 164 outspeed ogerpon in tailwind or so, but generally it doesn't seem to have a lot of synergy here outside Trick Room

topaz vine
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Thank you! I worked on it, so i will try it now

tight spire
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howdysire 👍

valid mist
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dire flint
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lot of these mons are not viable in the current metagame but I’m assuming you’re aware of that and just trying to use mons she likes

valid mist
dire flint
valid mist
peak crypt
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yeah you might have hit F A tab

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and it autofilled Facade and not Fake out

valid mist
valid mist
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peak crypt
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convince your friend that her favorite Pokemon is now Flutter Mane

valid mist
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LMFAO

peak crypt
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as far as this exact six goes, I think it improves a fair bit if you make the Roaring Moon Jolly (with or without dropping Attack to get Booster Speed) and make the Arcanine Choice Band

tight spire
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Looks like a DUU team here

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Just build for that

peak crypt
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CB Arc-H has fallen off a little bit but is still a very solid threat and would probably be the best Pokemon on the team

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oh yeah you could also just make it Doubles UU instead

valid mist
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modest oasis
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torpid moat
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you can also prob cut either amoong or incin

modest oasis
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both of those seemed to have had their use in battles

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but ill try the amulet

torpid moat
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either is useful but you don't need all 3

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of incin amoong hands

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it'll be pretty passive

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esp because p2 itself is also a passive setter

modest oasis
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i mean i can replace hands or incineroar if you have a better idea

torpid moat
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you could try waterpon instead of amoong for example

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or cut both amoong and incin for rilla and then run a flutter or lando i of your own

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scarf gapdos is also pretty neat on tr

modest oasis
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is pory2 ok tho

torpid moat
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it's okay

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decent passive tr setter

modest oasis
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good, good. that mon is the entire reason i made the team

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ill try replacing incin but i would rather try keeping the shroom

tight spire
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You probably insta lose to Deoxys-Attack if you cut Incineroar

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So if you do replace it you probably want another dark type or something like rillaboom

modest oasis
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sooo dont cut incin got it

analog horizon
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analog horizon
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I built it around Scrafty at first, as a genuine attempt to make him useful, but if my attempt has failed, thats okay lol

tight spire
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this team has some conflicting things going for it

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Armarouge is a lousy Trick Room Setter without indeedee psyspam

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at that point you'd probably be better with Chandelure

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Flutter Mane has icy wind but none of the pokemon are actually fast enough to make use of it outside Trick Room

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Rocky Helmet doesn't help farigiraf at all, you should give it a better item like Sitrus Berry, Mental Herb, Saftey Goggles or Throat Spray (with hyper voice)

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not sure what this archaludon set is either, you probably want to run Body Press on it

analog horizon
peak crypt
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Rocky Helmet Farigiraf is pretty relevant in VGC for Rapid Strike Urshifu, but that Pokemon is banned in Doubles OU

tight spire
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yeah no shifu here

analog horizon
tight spire
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it would have better synergy to use indeedeeF yeah

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alternate path

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replace Armarouge with Deoxys-Attack

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now you have 2 strong non-TR attackers

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and indeedee can still set it

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but you won't be able to use fake out as easily with scrafty

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with psychic terrain

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though you could give Iron Hands a psychic seed on this idea

analog horizon
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is having only 1 tr user risky?

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also i havent been running fake out on scrafty, just iron hands. is that a mistake? i gave scrafty poison jab with tera poison to cover big fairy shaped hole

tight spire
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problem with poison jab on scrafty is that the biggest fairy type in the meta is part ghost

analog horizon
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fair

tight spire
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you could do something like

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use coaching on Iron Hands

analog horizon
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oh so scrafty with CC, Crunch, Protect, Coaching?

tight spire
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probably want knock off but yeah you could do something along those lines

analog horizon
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I was also thinking about iron head instead of poison jab

analog horizon
analog horizon
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probably better than tera blast with tera fire, since its really only a problem into gholdengo

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sorry im asking so many questions ;-;

tight spire
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body press is just because Archuladon's ability Stamina increases its defense stat making it a good move to use

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you can use stalwart but you're only looking at being redirected by either

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Amoongus or Ogerpon

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or indeedee every so often

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it also just has good defense

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if you were to use Draco Meteor, it would be nice to use body press without having the -2 spatk

analog horizon
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yeah i htink i was over worried about amoongus

analog horizon
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I have DeoA built with expanding force, psycho boost, superpower, and protect, but worried that between the 2 mons i have that can exist outside of tr, theres 1 physical move...
Also by adding DeoA should I keep icy wind? or should I maybe swap that for a second option for setting up tr?

tight spire
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icy wind or dazzling gleam

analog horizon
tight spire
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better, probably don't need mental herb on indeedee

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the most common taunters are tornadus and to an extent whimsicott

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who are prankster users

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sitrus probably is better

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also psychic seed over assault vest on iron hands

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and maybe give archuladon one as well

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imagine arch, who already has good def now having good sp def

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and you can coach it

analog horizon
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Playing it a couple times and it already feels better. I'ma try and play it a bunch so i can get better. Thanks for helping😁

keen summit
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Is coaching broke here like it was in NDDOU?

turbid fox
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brittle spade
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coaching users and targets are much worse

keen summit
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cool

brittle spade
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i'd recommend building with the smogon sample sets for now

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do you know how to find them ?

brittle spade
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Oh I didn’t realize I didn’t change my pokepaste

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My actual indeedee has heal pulse instead of fake out

brittle spade
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you can't have that in DOU

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Ok, thanks

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The main idea is to lead with kyurem and kommo-o, use substitute on kyurem and dragon dance, then coaching on kyurem with kommo-o a few times, then go crazy with scale shot. Other than that, sinistcha is there for healing, (obviously), and Archaludon is to deal with fluttermanes or any other fairy types. then Chien-pao and Chi-yu are just there because i really dont know what else to put

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errant mulch
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I've been messing around with this team for hours now and it sometimes works really well, sometimes fails horribly

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same with another team I made which was a snow team, which also didn't work well

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I'm also horrible at making teams, if you couldn't tell

tight spire
# errant mulch https://pokepast.es/bbee38762a1c3968

there is a lot of Flutter Mane weak going on here for one, and yeah as you said there's just not a lot of practical synergy going on here with these pokemon

you're better off running Baxcalibur than a physical Kyurem imo, Kyurem is better as a snow special attacker

Kommo-O is bad here and if you wanna do coaching you should probably find a faster Coaching mon like Sneasler

Sinistcha + Chien-Pao and Chi-Yu doesn't really work because these pokemon make your own allies more vulnerable to physical and special attacks, additionally the team doesn't really seem bulky enough to justify it

Archaludon should use body press instead of brick break, also steel beam isn't like meteor beam so using a power herb does nothing here and you should use Assault Vest instead

the attack sets on Chien-Pao and Chi Yu are really bad and not using their best moves and lack protect

Chien pao has no item

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In general I think you should try to use some sample teams

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before you build a team

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you should be able to get a better idea for building by looking at these teams here

errant mulch
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Alright, yeah, I’ll probably use some of those teams for now to actually learn how to, well, use a team, because i know for a fact my actual skill is also pretty bad

tight spire
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howdysire 👍

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ive been trying to get together a trick room team utilizing alcremie for a while, and i came up with this based on several other things, im aware that this team probably isn't the best, but i wanted to start somewhere before i actually start building this team in SV. any other pokemon i could consider?

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polar lotus
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this team feels cursed for some reason

sick dock
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why?

dire flint
# sick dock ive been trying to get together a trick room team utilizing alcremie for a while...

I would recommend removing hitmontop and tsareena as indeedee's psychic terrain makes hitmontop's fake out unusable and tsareena's queenly majesty redundant
You can look at the viability rankings to see what mons are useful https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-doubles-ou-viability-rankings.3710905/
also this is the dou rates channel and there is no way to play dou in game, you may want to go to the vgc rates channel https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

sick dock
cyan patio
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polar lotus
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dang

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i mean it makes sense why they would want to suspect test flutter mane

slow pike
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this is for DOU team rates not DOU discuss

dire flint
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otherwise this seams like a solid hard trick room team

median meteor
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tight spire
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You could use the female form instead

median meteor
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uff

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okok

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thanks

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other than that anything else?

tight spire
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You have like 4 Pokemon with choice items and no protect, not saying it's required but you're very vulnerable to trick room teams and tailwind and so on

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Hydrapple is a fairly lousy Pokemon

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You could probably do with chien-pao over it to help Dragonite

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And basculegion (if you go female form)

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Also make sure to give it last respects

sleek jungle
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Hey

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your cress also has atk evs for no reason

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overall I'd say the team is pretty lacking in offensive presence for hard trick room

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I think you'd be a lot better off if the gastro were like a diancie

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you want 252 atk on your lax

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I think you also forgot its nature

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but yeah you definitely need another option for winning the game that isn't lax

tight spire
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Gastrodon doesn't really have a good presence in DOU yeah

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The best water type in the tier is part grass

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And it's not like it would hamper any competent rain team

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Also yeah it lacks offensive pressure

sleek jungle
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...

dire flint
# sleek jungle How is this https://pokepast.es/50716ca1ea23207b

ogerpon wellspring should have spiky shield over swords dance, and 252 hp evs(this is a more efficient way to allocate the evs as an increase in hp boosts both physical and special defense)
the cress should also have 252 hp evs
your team in its current state is very passive outside of the snorlax and vulnerable to pokemon that can boost their defense such as archaludon and diancie, so I would recommend replacing Iron Hands with a mon that alleviates that, my suggestion would be calm mind raging bolt

sleek jungle
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Thanks

placid lily
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what we thinking i was trying to just put something together

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placid lily
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mass ping moment

tight spire
# placid lily https://pokepast.es/7408305428755ad6

a big lack of the move Protect going on here that really doesn't make sense, expecially for deoxys

Deoxys wants Focus Sash because its defenses are just so poor. I personally think you should be running it on psyspam instead of alone or else your wasting its potential.

Tera Flying makes no sense on Iron Bundle

Tera Electric makes no sense on Deoxys, Also shadow ball and dark pulse are really redundant to have together and they are pretty bad on Deoxys, I reccomend instead using Superpower or Psycho Boost

Not really a big barraskewda fan in general, probably want to look at other attack options.

Overall this rain seems quite misguided and has some weird moveset options (Knock off Pelipper?)

placid lily
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hm ok

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you got tera suggestions for deoxys and bundle?

tight spire
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Deoxys could probably run Tera Psychic or Ghost etc.

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Iron Bundle is probably better with Tera Water, Steel (for Flutter Mane) or Ghost

placid lily
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hows this looking now

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tbh idr wanna replace barraskewda i like using him

tight spire
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probably want protect over throat chop on barraskewda

placid lily
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alright

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anything else?

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or good for now

tight spire
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I don't reccommend Thunder on Deoxys-Attack, not really anything important that it'd hit with that move

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maybe just put Psychic/Expanding Force on it

placid lily
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hm alright

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well thanks for the help

tight spire
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np

clear olive
dire flint
# clear olive https://pokepast.es/87fd2b896c9c15bd

chein pao and pecharunt are both missing 4 evs
mienshao needs to be inner focus close combat over reckless hi jump kick, hi jump kick is extremely inconsistent and reckless leaves you vulnerable to intimidate mons
mean look does practically nothing for pecharunt, protect or shadow ball would be more useful

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a lot of the tera types are also suboptimal

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whimsicott should be tera ghost

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chien pao generally finds tera ghost or stellar more useful than fighting

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pecharunt should be a defensive tera that lets it stay alive longer, I would recommend dark

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also every mon on your team besides chien pao and whimsicott is in doubles underused currently it may be worth considering taking those two off and using this team there

pine bronze
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Hello guys, I am trying to get back into comp Pokémon, I stopped playing after covid finally stopped and I joined my schools Pokémon club. I did VGC during sword and shield, but they prefer to have looser rules since there are many casual players.
I am currently trying to surpass my friend in ladder, it's established I am better (Respectfully, I spent all of covid getting good) so I have a handicap that I must use Wugtrio:
https://pokepast.es/d90b79b60914d2c4
I put some other Pokémon in there who I don't know how to use and are new to me and realized I may need some help. Just keep wugtrio and make him do something, as you can see I set him up to proc weakness and to help in trick room.

(Sorry for probably unnecessary info, I'm bored and have to much time)

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pine bronze
tight spire
# pine bronze Btw if you could link a post or article that would give me some insight on meta ...

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-doubles-ou-viability-rankings.3710905/

here are sample teams and the viability rankings

Smogon Forums
Resource - Doubles OU Sample Teams

Art by GenOne

Welcome to the Sample Teams thread! This thread is meant to highlight the best of the best teams in the Doubles OU tier. Sample Teams are exemplary teams that have proven themselves to be good and are basic enough for beginners to use, allowing them to pick up the fundamentals of...

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Resource - SV Doubles OU Viability Rankings

Art by Fangame10

Welcome to the Doubles OU Viability Ranking project, where we rank the viability of Pokemon in DOU. The floor will always be open to discussion, and after a period of time (roughly every month), the viability rankings council will vote on any of the Pokemon being discussed and...

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Not sure how you could possibly make wugtrio work

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some pokemon like ceruledge are better off being replace by Flutter Mane of Gholdengo etc.

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I would also say Raging Bolt is better with a Calm mind set and thunderclap is also pretty good

pine bronze
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Thank you I’ll look over it

tight spire
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np!

pine bronze
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pine bronze
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Feel free to suggest different pokemon, the only one I can't replace is wugtrio

pine bronze
pine bronze
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is weakness policy used often in DOU? If so which mons are good with it?

pine bronze
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After looking over the team there is no way it'll be viable in T-room, everyone aside from rilla and P2 is to quick

tight spire
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can't say I can find anything for wugtrio other than you memento-ing with it and just using it as a mon to sack against Flutter Mane and Deoxys-Attack

polar lotus
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IK the tournament hasn't started yet

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But I wish you guys all luck (if you signed up)

pulsar sinew
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And Mane has been banned.

slow pike
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DOU Rates

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torpid moat
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easy answers vs psyspam are to run grassy surge rillaboom instead of amoong, or incineroar over arcanine

remote edge
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flutter is also banned

torpid moat
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also flutter mane is banned

remote edge
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so uh

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yeah

torpid moat
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and I don't recommend using walking wake outside of sun

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if you want a fast water there's iron bundle, if you want a fast dragon there's roaring moon

keen summit
plush otter
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question: is eruption under trick room still busted??

dire flint
plush otter
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ok

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tight spire
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You have some slow Pokemon here without proper support for them such as speed control or some other form of support such as screens, in particular Ursaluna is difficult to use without heavy support

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Dragapult would probably be better as a physical attacker here

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Since you have chien-pao

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(there are some pretty cool tera ghost sets you can try to use or you could even risk phantom force)

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I don't know any off the top of my head or their EVs but

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It could be like tera blast/dragon darts/protect/substitute?

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Tera ghost

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For speed control I can't say but you could try replacing Ursaluna with either tornadus/sinistcha(trick room)/roaring moon etc

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You could also opt to go full priority spam

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And replace volcanion with entei

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Roaring moon would probably be nice in your case vs psyspam

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I would say it does look more cohesive, you should try testing it and see how it works, you could also consider rillaboom somewhere here as well

unborn marten
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I would also change tera psychic to ghost on pao (it's to avoid fake out), and drop scizor for something else such as rilla like fangame suggested, feels like there's a lot of role overlap here. scizor is sort of a role compression slot, where it would previously be strong into both rilla and flutter, but flutter is gone now and you have plenty of stuff that is good into rilla between pao entei and moon here. drop flare blitz on entei for stomping tantrum, as there is no downside to just clicking sacred fire over it + having ground coverage is nice, and you may want to consider assault vest vs band but neither are bad. If you switch to vest, you can use snarl over crunch to help with your matchup into psyspam + rilla would help with the terrain control leading to a more balanced team

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pulsar sinew
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So far I had plenty of success with this team.

brittle spade
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do you know what your evs are for ?

pulsar sinew
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Incins EV's are to give it I bit more physical bulk and offensive power now that flutter is gone.

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And to outspeed other fake out users.

brittle spade
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like volcanion

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check out the sample set, it's able to live steam eruption

dire flint
pulsar sinew
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Thanks ya'll .

median meteor
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for one knock off is much better on incineroar

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and leftovers are bad in doubles

brittle spade
median meteor
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alright thanks alot

broken needle
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who tryna slide a good hyper offense team

edgy falcon
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dire flint
# edgy falcon https://pokepast.es/27e5a6df7dd2b57d I was trying Expanding Force shenanigans in...

your team has an excessive amount of expanding force users that are all checked by the same things, you need to take at least 1 of to add something that covers your weaknesses
Meowstic also needs to be replaced, it doesn't add much to your team and adds another psychic type
deoxys attack should be sash over life orb and have protect over energy ball
evs look fine, but I am confused about armarouge having 160 speed evs and 0 speed ivs

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you really need a mon that can hit dark types here, iron hands looks good

edgy falcon
dire flint
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not bad but idk how I feel about the iron hands set

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how about swords dance psychic seed iron hands with trick room on the indeedee-f and armarouge?

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wellspring is probably better than hearthflame here since it's types synergize better with armarouge

tight canyon
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Swords dance would replace rock slide and I’d wanna say tr would replace armor cannon on armsrouge and replace heal pulse on indeedee? Right? I’m not sure, I’m tryna see how this team works myself

dire flint
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Swords dance replaces protect thunder punch replaces wild charge protect replaces heavy slam

edgy falcon
tight canyon
dire flint
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Trick room can replace either helping hand or heal pulse

dire flint
tight canyon
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Yeah that made sense I just got confused at first since I forgot this was sd psychic seed now not av

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I got a killer headache rn

edgy falcon
median meteor
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tight spire
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additionally you should probably use a sitrus berry over aguav since those berries are unreliable

tight spire
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also Iron Bundle should probably use Flip Turn instead of U-turn, personally I'd probably do protect here

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Focus Sash seems redundant on Sinistcha since you have it ev'd for bulk

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use a sitrus berry instead

dire flint
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you should probably drop focus blast and flash cannon on the kingambit too

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one of them should be protect the other can be swords dance or iron head

plush otter
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plush otter
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ok sounds good, I'll give these changes a try thx 🙂

nocturne knoll
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torpid moat
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alternatively you can try sinistcha over the amoong too

nocturne knoll
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ok

unique lantern
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unique lantern
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old team since before dlc, i wanna get it "updated"

brittle spade
torpid moat
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also give pao protect over crunch

unique lantern
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pao with just sucker punch can't KO things like cress, farigiraf and indeedee now unless they attack back which rarely happens

unique lantern
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in any case, here's my final team
https://pokepast.es/08a375ec426459e9

there is speed investment in kingambit AND iron hands specifically for cresselia to be able to lunar blessing before they move under trick room so that their sleep is cured before they attack when facing a spore amoonguss

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unique lantern
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sounds insane but i wanna hear some thoughts on that idea

brittle spade
brittle spade
real lance
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tight spire
# real lance https://pokepast.es/353454d6be40c4c4 i was hoping to get some opinions

Can't really say there is any comprehension going on here and I implore you to use a sample.

But general opinion:

Why are you using grumping cm+stored power? You could just use Deoxys-Defense or Cresselia

Why is Metagross a support Pokemon? Why is its only attack knock off? This is not how this Pokemon should be used.

Sticky webs galvantula isn't the best speed control, there are better options in tailwind and trick room.

Why is Mausholds only attacking moves super fang? Also you're using tidy up on this thing like hazards are THAT worth removing in DOU.

This salamence doesn't really make any sense

FEAR Squakabilly? worrytoed

This looks like you are trying entirely to set up a sweep with grumping but have literally nothing else for backup when it faints.

Not a very good team, I'd recommend a sample team

real lance
shell arrow
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Made a DUU Hard TR Psyspam Team, wanted to hear any rater's thoughts

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Game plan is simple. Set up trick room, and then Ogerpon/Blastoise pivots out to a TR atker. Main TR setters are chandelure and indeedee while chandelure, conk, Hoopa are the main TR atkers

real lance
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real lance
real lance
dire flint
# real lance Different team

Nearly every Pokemon on both of your teams is unviable for competetive doubles use, I would recommend looking at the viability rankings and sample teams to get a better understanding of the metagame
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-doubles-ou-viability-rankings.3710905/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/

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Resource - SV Doubles OU Viability Rankings

Art by Fangame10

Welcome to the Doubles OU Viability Ranking project, where we rank the viability of Pokemon in DOU. The floor will always be open to discussion, and after a period of time (roughly every month), the viability rankings council will vote on any of the Pokemon being discussed and...

Smogon Forums
Resource - Doubles OU Sample Teams

Art by GenOne

Welcome to the Sample Teams thread! This thread is meant to highlight the best of the best teams in the Doubles OU tier. Sample Teams are exemplary teams that have proven themselves to be good and are basic enough for beginners to use, allowing them to pick up the fundamentals of...

brittle spade
main plover
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Can you guys give any suggestion?

dire flint
pulsar sinew
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I'd have a secondary TR setter that cam support the team.

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Unless if you switch Dee in and out. You need a second pokemon for TR.

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Because chances probably are, that there aren't going to have much fill in the tank for dee to set up another TR.

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Hatterene maybe a solid secondary pick, but it can't get TR up effectively without support.

real lance
halcyon pantherBOT
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real lance
brittle spade
real lance
brittle spade
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at what elo

real lance
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?

brittle spade
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how high on the ladder where you when you won said games

real lance
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Somewhere in the 1000 idk specifically

brittle spade
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players at the 1000 aren't too representative

real lance
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Oh

brittle spade
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you can win against them with pretty much anything

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even the worst team youve ever seen

real lance
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I had to go against so much torkals and inciniroars bro like they everywhere

brittle spade
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if you want to improve your teambuilding you really need to follow what we said last time and check out the resources on smogon

real lance
brittle spade
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yeah these

real lance
brittle spade
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as you progress on ladder your teams will eventually hit a wall and the smogon resources will help you get over it

real lance
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Oh

real lance
cyan patio
brittle spade
tribal cedar
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this is my double ou team, is there any improvements you guys can see? it works decently and i’m smart with what i have but i feel like i could improve some stuff

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pulsar sinew
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tribal cedar
halcyon pantherBOT
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unborn marten
# tribal cedar https://pokepast.es/9ef9b18182ef4957

knock > crunch on ttar, it's stronger
ice punch > fire punch, covers lando matchup better
sludge bomb > flash cannon on volc, you already hit the things steel wants to with steam eruption (diancie) / sludge hits the fairies too
red card doesn't reliably do anything for torn, and neither does brick break. if you want brick break you can put it on ttar for earthquake, as eq isn't very good either
try covert cloak instead to guard from fake out. I like protect in the brick break slot personally
switch amoonguss to regenerator, remove synthesis, and flying tera type is pretty questionable. I'm not too sure what it's for honestly, dark is a pretty ok type

booster hands is just bad, people are typically running vest on it, since you already don't have tect or something like sd on it you can just switch it to that and have a better mon overall
you should pick what you want maushold to do, if you want it to use population bomb you need to give it technician and wide lens, if you want it to be supportive you should give it follow me and maybe something like a sitrus berry. currently it's the worst of both worlds not having a clearly defined role. if you want to give it follow me, then take the vest off hands and give it like swords dance and a berry.

tribal cedar
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tysm!

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tje flying ters was for earthquake

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that’s why there’s so many

unborn marten
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ah ok

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yeah rillaboom being common makes eq really bad

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since it halves its dmg

tribal cedar
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gotcha

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i wagner my mause to an support mon whah item do i use on it?

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i think i’m gonna run tera steel on amoongus as i use it for rage powder and steel has a lot of immunities, it still doesn’t resist fire but it resists most of the other weaknesses

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or i could run tera fire

pulsar sinew
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And replace with sitrus

tribal cedar
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i used it for trick since people run thah on cleffable

pulsar sinew
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Cleffable isn't viable.

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It's niche is rather limited.

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Besides if you Tera Amoongus it's going to take damage from it's item.

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And Sitrus is better because doubles is more fast-paced.

unborn marten
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^ this is all correct

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I don't know the last time I saw anyone get tricked

torpid moat
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ghold uses trick semi-often

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but yeah it's definitely not worth it

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sitrus is just better anyways

tribal cedar
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oh alr

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i mean it could be because i’m low but i see cleffable in singles often so i was guessing it’d be in doubles lmao

fiery shard
halcyon pantherBOT
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fiery shard
torpid moat
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your waterpon definitely doesn't need 4 attacks

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spiky shield and support moves like follow me and encore are far more valuable on it

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your incineroar does not need to run speed, it's too slow for that to matter and would much rather have 252 hp

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knock off is also just better than lariat

fiery shard
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Understood

torpid moat
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your tornadus is missing prankster, the whole reason to use it as a tailwind setter

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also boots isn't that great of an item on it, sitrus berry or covert cloak or focus sash are preferred

fiery shard
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So is taunt not needed? I don’t want to deal with people like amoongus or indeedee f

torpid moat
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because torn will switch into sr at most once, most likely never

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you're running defiant taunt torn to hit indeedee?

fiery shard
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I just wanted the taunt, and tailwind if I run into another tailwind

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I realize now my thought process sounds pretty bad

torpid moat
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be sure to use prankster torn then

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if you really want to taunt an indeedee, give incineroar or rillaboom taunt

fiery shard
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Gotcha

torpid moat
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and yeah metagross is a pretty mediocre mon built that way

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there are better steels available like gholdengo, archaludon, and kingambit

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and none of them care about intimidate

fiery shard
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Who would you personally use? I don’t know how any of them should be played

torpid moat
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so, that partly depends on what I'm gonna say about diancie

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diancie's main role is as a trick room setter + attacker

fiery shard
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Oooooh, I didn’t know that. I just had her as a defensive option

torpid moat
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it can trick room with good bulk and typing

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and then it spams diamond storm and body press as necessary

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so the standard diancie set is diamond storm/body press/trick room/protect

fiery shard
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Mhm, I’m following

torpid moat
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so your choice of steel depends on how hard you wanna lean into trick room, vs how much you care about tailwind

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gholdengo works best with tailwind

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archaludon is more focused on bulk than being particularly offensive

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and kingambit is priority, but also strong in trick room

fiery shard
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I think I can get rid of tailwind then, don’t you? My team overall seems pretty slow, so do you think I should turn this into a TR team? Or is the overall speed fine?

torpid moat
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you can have both tailwind and trick room on the same team if you want

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diancie isn't a "primary" trick room setter, and can function reasonably well without using trick room

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the same goes for incineroar and rilla

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the archetype is called semi-trick room, or semiroom

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and in this case, tailroom

fiery shard
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Semiroom, noted

torpid moat
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if I were making the team I'd use nasty plot gholdengo

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mainly because it has the best odds of beating an opposing archaludon

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but speaking of beating arch, using landorus-i in the steel slot is also perfectly fine

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btw arch runs assault vest, plus stamina to rack up defense boosts, and body press

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the entire rest of your team loses to arch after a single def boost, so it's a significant problem

fiery shard
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Steel slot?

torpid moat
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whatever mon that would be used in place of metagross

fiery shard
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Oooh ok

torpid moat
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the other options I named were steel types

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basically steel types that were just better than gross in some way

fiery shard
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And arch is that bad of a problem?

torpid moat
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yes, the rest of your team cannot touch it

fiery shard
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I’m going to make two versions of this team, one to lean into TR, the other not so much

torpid moat
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but yeah once you run into a well-played arch you'll figure it out very quickly

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lando-i is the most direct answer in that case

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because it just nukes it with life orb sheer force earth power

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arch actually runs flying tera specifically for lando

fiery shard
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That sounds extremely concerning

torpid moat
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the only other tech option that would help in this case is willowisp incin to weaken body press + chip

fiery shard
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Is this the gholdengo set?

torpid moat
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leftovers, protect over night shade

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it mainly runs dragon or flying tera

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flying for lando-i, dragon for fire hits from mons like chi-yu

fiery shard
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That’s smart

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Do I put 252 in SpA and health?

torpid moat
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close enough yeah

fiery shard
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Modest seems reasonable

torpid moat
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yup

fiery shard
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If I’m already buffing SpA

torpid moat
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there are fancier spreads out there but I don't have one on hand

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I think there's a tailwind speed benchmark if you invest a little

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and they don't run max spa

fiery shard
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Ok, I’ll look for that

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Wait I can just send a link

torpid moat
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ah, found one

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Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Make It Rain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Nasty Plot
  • Protect
fiery shard
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Oh

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Well let me update that really quick

torpid moat
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try running horn leech over play rough on waterpon

fiery shard
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Roger

torpid moat
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torn should be 252 hp

fiery shard
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Ok

torpid moat
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in general, you should invest 252 or close in HP before you ever touch def or spdef

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252 def 252 spdef is extremely inefficient

fiery shard
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Never thought about that, thanks for the heads up

torpid moat
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there are only a few edge cases where that's not true, mainly if you're trying to live a specific hit on the phys or spdef side, or if you have specifically skewed stats

fiery shard
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So it should be something like this?

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torpid moat
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better, yeah

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there are complex torn spreads out there like the ghold one I gave you

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and once again it should not run boots

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sitrus berry would be more generally applicable, otherwise you'd run covert cloak to ignore fake out

fiery shard
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Oh right

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I’ll try the covert

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I’ve been running a lot into incen

torpid moat
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and yeah please use diamond storm/body press/trick room/protect diancie

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way way better than moonblast

fiery shard
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Roger Roger

torpid moat
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252 hp 252 atk brave btw

fiery shard
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Oh I see why now

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Diamond storm can raise defense

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Body press uses defense

torpid moat
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yeah, same concept as stamina body press arch

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though just remember that diamond storm is your main mode of damage

fiery shard
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I’ll take your word for that. I actually was having trouble against just Arch himself with any random build

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I couldn’t kill him, he’d get healed, then his defense stacked

fiery shard
torpid moat
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yup, if you still have trouble with arch, try running lando-i somewhere, and try wisp incin

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you could for example cut diancie for lando-i too and remove the trick room

fiery shard
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Gotcha

torpid moat
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gl

fiery shard
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Thank you

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I’ll probably be back tomorrow with a new team idea Laugh

pine bronze
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Do Trick room + Tailwind teams work out well in DOU like in VGC or should I not attempt this, I'm thinking of building it around bulky Raging bolt or Gouging fire

torpid moat
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I just rated the team above into being tailroom

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tailroom for dou tends to have a few powerful options for room and out, and then various all-purpose ones that are usable everywhere

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I could buy cm bolt on tailroom

idle mason
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Made a Porygon2 (anti-meta??) TR team. Feel free to criticize

halcyon pantherBOT
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peak crypt
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yup that sure is a Trick Room team

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I think the primary issue with this team @idle mason is you kind of lack damage, which Trick Room really needs to take advantage of the limited time TR is active

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I think you could kind of take this in one of two directions - either focus on the Trick Room end and switch out some Pokemon for bigger threats, or focus more on the bulky balance end with Incin + Amoong + Bolt and swap out Farig or P2 for a setup sweeper like Gholdengo

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my biggest concern right now is Archaludon just sits on all of these Pokemon and you can't reliably KO it

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you could try swapping the Raging Bolt to a Calm Mind set if you want to make as few changes as possible, but I think that weakens your Psyspam matchup pretty severely

idle mason
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Unless Gholdengo has Earth Power

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Btw I don't plan on switching out P2 bc of how tanky it is + the fact that the entire team is built around it (if that's a good enough reason)

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I could share a few examples of P2 taking hits very well if you'd like

rose juniper
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If you are looking for an arch counter on a TR team you could use ursaluna

idle mason
rose juniper
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Let me take a look at your team

idle mason
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I already replaced Farig with Gholdengo

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Give me a moment pls

rose juniper
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Mind sending the current paste?

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Sure

idle mason
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I'm going to go to sleep so expect me to read your advice a few hours later

rose juniper
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The way I see it is that you prob wanna keep the core of pory, diancie and amoong

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On a TR you do need atleast 2 TR setters so id say if you end up switching out the diancie or the pory another TR setter would need to come in return

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Amoonguss is also a mon you wanna keep id say for obvious spore reasons (most broken move ever) and the rage powder to help get the TR up but id say the other 3 mons are free to be switched out as you please

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If im honest I wouldn't use the other 3 cause I think they lack quite a bit of imidiate offensive power

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Which you need on TR, id say its prob best to try out a handfull of offensive TR mons in those slots and I would mainly look at ursaluna, iron hands (if you wanna keep fake out) or maybe even torkoal

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If I were you I would just try a few diffrent mons and see what clicks

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Just @ me if you have any other questions :))

idle mason
halcyon pantherBOT
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idle mason
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I also made sure that they have 0 speed IVs

brittle spade
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is that psychic porygon

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yuck

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please run ice beam

idle mason
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Done

brittle spade
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and in the last slot you run something synonym of V.I.O.L.E.N.C.E

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like belly drum azumarill, belly drum iron hands, swords dance hands, swords dance kingambit, life orb glastrier

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something slow with massive atk

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archaludon is ok but still a bit slow

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hoopa-unbound or hatterene work if you feel like you need 3 trick rooms

scarlet nexus
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can i have someones help w my team dont rly wanna post it since it got flamed to mars last time but i need a poke that is more threatening than raging bolt (preferably spatker but dont care

rose juniper
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@scarlet nexus if you don't wanna post it publicly, you can DM it to me if you want and ill help you further in DMs

idle mason
brittle spade
brittle spade
idle mason
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I had no idea that BD Azu could OHKO Archaludon w/ Play Rough....

brittle spade
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oh easily

torpid moat
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not +6 arch but yeah azu can kill +0 for sure

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+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. +1 228 HP / 28 Def Archaludon: 372-438 (98.4 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

fiery shard
halcyon pantherBOT
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fiery shard
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Trick room, didn’t want to ping though Laugh

peak crypt
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you cannot stop the pings

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Hatt and Ogerpon feel like the odd ones out

rose juniper
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id like to add that I think the kingambit set could be better/optimized

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aldo its not bad

fiery shard
fiery shard
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Ogerpon I get. I was trying a way to secure a trick room setup safely

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Hence the taunt and follow me

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Hatt was supposed to be the hyper SpA

torpid moat
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I'd rather use hoopa-u or necrozma if you really want a third offensive tr setter, but you can also just have something that's not a setter

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sinistcha or cresselia are also reasonable picks here to heal up your luna

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or like a plain rillaboom

fiery shard
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Gotcha, I don’t think I’ll need a setter

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I just didn’t know exactly who I needed or wanted besides Diance and Giraff

torpid moat
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if you want to try preventing your opponent from disrupting tr, you can add a fake out mon

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like rilla, or incineroar or iron hands

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the main reason you'd use giraffe over indeedee would be to freely use priority of your own, fake out included

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also waterpon > rockpon

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waterpon is better vs a few important mons like lando i and ghodengo, which are problems for diancie tr

pulsar sinew
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Found this is was the WRONG Metagame, mb 😅😂

median meteor
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hey so i just started doing my own teams fully on DOU and im struggling abit but so far im winning with this team is there a way to make it better?
https://pokepast.es/940ad6c7e6726544

halcyon pantherBOT
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fiery shard
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Sorry, was distracted all day yesterday Laugh

fiery shard
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Might use this for the vgc duos

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I like it. Dunno what to do with few of the Mon, but they seem to work well

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I tried to build it around the torkoal charizard. Urshifu is there because I was told he’s just insanely good, and I like the bird’s ability

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Prima is for ground and rock control, and incen to debuff attackers

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Oh wait, this is the wrong channel

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My bad

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I’m sorry

lone plover
dire flint
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I don’t think it’s optimal though not having an urshifu like wolfey’s team leaves you very weak to fire types

peak crypt
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Poltergeist is a physical move

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Use Shadow Ball

dire flint
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You said you were thinking about replacing gholdengo, I think landorus-incarnate would be a good substitute as it can hit ground types and use fake out to use substitute

dire flint
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Yeah it should be shadow ball

lone plover
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anyway thanks for the help.

lone plover
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the help was really usefull

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i haven't lost a battle after the help!

real lance
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Any good mix attackers suggestions?

rose juniper
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deoxys and hoopa-unbound are both solid options for that

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both have really high attack and sp. atk and the movepool to make use of those stats

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@real lance

grave wagon
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Rate pls

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fiery shard
grave wagon
torpid moat
fiery shard
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Ah, gotcha. How should I fix that issue then? Replace some of the ice Mon?

torpid moat
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main cuts would be the slowking because you don't need the pivoting etc

fiery shard
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Gotcha

torpid moat
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also you can potentially run bundle instead of both pao and pz

fiery shard
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Ooooh, would I give it the booster quark too?

torpid moat
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but yeah stuff like incineroar and gholdengo are great additions for snow

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yeah booster bundle is common on snow

fiery shard
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Really? Didn’t think about them

torpid moat
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it's normally tales/fat ice/bundle

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and then zero other mons that care about snow

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fat ice being baxcalibur or kyurem

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if you wanna hit pelipper specifically btw run freeze dry

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freeze dry also hits waterpon

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landorus-i is also useful on snow for killing archaludon and ghold

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but chiyu + bundle can accomplish the same job too

torpid moat
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also terrakion is a better beat up partner than armarouge

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your arch absolutely needs 252 hp, otherwise it will have no special bulk

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and it's too difficult to fit rain + arch + beat up together, not enough space

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try just using snarl arch instead of electro shot and focus on bulk, with terrak the main beat up recipient

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whims/terrak/arch/ogerpon-wellspring/filler/filler would be stronger and more balanced overall

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I guess technically in this case that filler could be peli and like basc-f, but it'll be pretty unbalanced

main sapphire
halcyon pantherBOT
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main sapphire
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i was already thinking of changing sneaslers held item for a sash

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along with replacing bulk up for swords dance

peak crypt
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this team is not very good and there’s not really a good way to fix it without starting over entirely

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It uses several poor-performing Pokémon and the decent ones are running suboptimal sets; really the only “good” thing is Scarf Gholdengo

main sapphire
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Wow very helpful...

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I mean the team has a bunch of type coverage and answers to most things Oricorio can pair well with both my ribombee for dancer and Iron bundle for access to bolt beam which no solo type can resist

main sapphire
peak crypt
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Oricorio is decent at beating up low ladder players, but every player worth their salt knows what to do when they see Oricorio in preview, and once you get over that it's just not a good Pokemon. Its stats are so low that it doesn't even do well when it gets to move twice in a single turn

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Hoopa-Unbound is simply too slow and easily exploitable to succeed; a 4x weakness to Bug and 80/60 physical bulk means you get knocked over by anything particularly strong - Rillaboom two shots it with Grassy Glide, even

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Ribombee is generally considered inferior to Volcarona on Dancer cheese because Volcarona can give Oricorio Fiery Dance in addition to Quiver Dance

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Sneasler is too frail to try to set up in a Doubles context, and while it and Bundle aren't bad, these sets don't really play to their strengths

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all of these Pokemon also lack Protect, which is perhaps the single strongest move a Pokemon can have in Double battles; Protect allows you to stall out field conditions like Tailwind and Trick Room and lets you keep one Pokemon safe while your other takes out a specific threat

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for example, Bundle can Protect to avoid a Rillaboom's Grassy Glide while Sneasler smacks it with Dire Claw

main sapphire
peak crypt
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and then you die to Fake Out

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or your opponent uses a spread move and a targeted move on Sneasler and you die anyway

main sapphire
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I guess but there's nothing you can do about that

peak crypt
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the thing you do about that is use Sneasler's high speed to just throw out attacks, rather than use your very limited time to try setting up

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Right which is why I like Unburden focus sash

peak crypt
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if you're also swapping to something like Acrobatics instead of a setup move, that wouldn't be too bad, but it doesn't really fix the primary problem with the team of "you aren't using good enough Pokemon"

main sapphire
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The only reason I have hoopa on the team is because it can bypass protect

peak crypt
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you actually might be better off cutting the Gholdengo for something else in Doubles UU and trying the team there

main sapphire
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Ribombee is my only fairy type and I think it's a pretty solid special attacker

peak crypt
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breaking Protect isn't enough to make Hoopa good; it's genuinely better to just learn how to play with and against Protect than to try to "counter" it

main sapphire
peak crypt
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good players aren't Toxic stalling in Doubles OU

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it's too slow

main sapphire
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Yeah but still

peak crypt
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you beat them by clicking strong moves with powerful Pokemon

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DOU games are usually over in around 15 turns, often less; there simply isn't enough time for stall strategies to be good

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peak crypt
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then you attack them again next turn

main sapphire
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And if I know they will protect being able to bypass it lets me get more damage in

peak crypt
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you are building for threats that don't matter

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using Pokemon that don't actually beat the Pokemon people are using

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you don't need to worry about a Toxapex stalling you out with status, you need to worry about a Chi-Yu clicking Heat Wave and one shotting five of your Pokemon, or Raging Bolt using its raw stats to trade hits favorably against half your team

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these are the Pokemon you need to be worried about

keen summit
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halcyon pantherBOT
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walking wake is not a rain pokemon, it's a sun pokemon and works to counter rain as well, you don't get the most out of it in rain. this really would fit better as a kingdra frankly, for what you're trying to do here. if you're running a rain team in this meta, you need to be using arch, you can slot it over this kyurem set role for role and have a better slot (setup sweeper type deal) you can't afford all of these moves on lando, tera flying blast is the lando-t set, to beat the things it needs to (ogerpon, rilla) it's better to just use sludge and not commit your tera. you can only afford one of plot or sub, you lack the team support required to get plot off consistently so it's better to use sub here. change lando tera to steel imo, your team gets 6-0ed by freeze dry... also, it needs protect. just run a standard set. as for meowscarada, it's unusable, you have your glimm larping as a grass type which is interesting, I would either add something like a standard rilla or a gambit so you have some sort of priority attacking here because god forbid you run into an iron bundle. one of the things I'm seeing with this teambuilding is that it looks like it's built as if everything can tera at once to patch the matchups but it can't, you can only do that for one mon, so there's a lot of stacked weakesses here. that does tend to happen with stuff like rain teams, but you can still mitigate it to some degree.

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generally though this is a big improvement over the first team, it's much more cohesive with better pokemon

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just needs some role upgrades and set improvements

humble cloak
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https://pokepast.es/a70d104d57052de3
been playing with this team for a day now and i dont think raging bolt does well here, and some other things like typing are really pushing me down, anyone can help me?

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brittle spade
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Try the regular sets on rillaboom and chien Pao, so focus sash and assault vest

humble cloak
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ok, i will

tribal cedar
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thus is my sun team, i’ve seen some success but i’m wondering what i can work on, my stats are bit wonky but that’s cus i was just playing around and they worked so i never changed them

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any input is appreciated :3

humble cloak
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otherwise they wont see

unborn marten
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it needs to be pasted as a link, don't use screenshots, and the bot does the tagging don't mass tag us or you'll probably get timed out

tribal cedar
halcyon pantherBOT
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tribal cedar
polar lotus
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Mega Incineroar

shell arrow
# polar lotus Mega Incineroar

I propose game freak dumps all extra 100 mega Evolution pts to atk, then give mega incin huge power and let it hold an item👍

dire flint
# tribal cedar https://pokepast.es/f15f743aab16ce03

nearly every mon on your team is running a suboptimal set, I'd recommend looking at the smogdex https://www.smogon.com/dex/ to improve your sets
For example Calm Mind Raging bolt usually runs leftovers, to increase survivability, dragon pulse over thunderbolt so it can hit ground types, and 188 defense to survive a life orb ice spinner from chein pao while still having special attack investment

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halcyon pantherBOT
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New [Gen 9] Doubles OU RMT @torpid moat, @remote edge, @strange sable, @night edge, @light ridge, @earnest junco, @brittle spade, @dire flint, @tardy ember, @rose juniper, @unborn marten, @tight spire, @peak crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

grave wagon
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For Torkoal

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When you're playing sun you're either trying to use eruption torkoal + diancie or indeedee + after you lilligant, or tailwind + chiyu

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But two fire types are enough

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You want to beat your checks too, like sun and landorus

main sapphire
brittle spade
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Covert cloak just helps block fake out

tribal cedar
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https://pokepast.es/7b99fa22fa0f9159
i touched up the team
i replaced ting lu with brute bonnet for the ability to set up my raging bolt
i gave iron hands tera steel to deal with my lack of fairy coverage
and i touched up some other mons too
i also changed the way i play to he less set in stone and more willing to switch my team out
is there anything i can still improve on

halcyon pantherBOT
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