#Smogon Doubles Rates

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trail iron
polar lotus
halcyon pantherBOT
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New DOU RMT @torpid moat, @remote edge, @strange sable, @night edge, @light ridge, @earnest junco, @brittle spade, @dire flint, @tardy ember, @rose juniper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

pulsar sinew
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Actually Banded palafin is favored over bulk up on rain teams.

pulsar sinew
polar lotus
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Why tho?

peak crypt
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Male is unbanned now

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This has widely been regarded as a bad move

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But it is currently legal

polar lotus
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Wait really?

peak crypt
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Yes

polar lotus
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Ok

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Is there any other Pokémon that need replacing?

peak crypt
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Are you having problems?

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I know you’ve asked for help with this team a few times

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Have you been playing with it a bunch? Have you noticed anything that’s a particular threat?

pulsar sinew
peak crypt
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Ninetales needs a real Tera type

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You aren’t going to Tera it unless it wins the game, and running Fire or Ghost will occasionally just win you the game

pulsar sinew
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Yea I forgot to change it's tera.

peak crypt
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This team also seems really weak to Ogerpon-Hearthflame, but the only easy way I can think of to fix that would be Ability Shield on Heatran

pulsar sinew
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Allbeit at the cost of its bulk.

peak crypt
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It turns “you just plain lose against one of the best Pokémon in the format” into “you are a little worse against most other things but no longer auto lose”

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Tbh I actually don’t think I like Palafin in general right now

polar lotus
peak crypt
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Ogers, Sinistcha, and Rillaboom are all very good

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and Palafin kind of just loses to all of them now

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Tera Fire Palafin will help against Sinistcha but you still don’t actually KO it

trail iron
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Artic i wanted to create a fire/sunny day based team could you suggest any Pokémon?

peak crypt
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Tornadus, Flutter Mane, Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Torkoal, and that’s two thirds of your team basically locked in

trail iron
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Ok

peak crypt
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You can use the last two slots for more wincons like Indeedee Armarouge, or you can try to balance those slots a bit with like Iron Hands and Lando-T

trail iron
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What can hands do?

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Like to help the other pokemon

peak crypt
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It just gets to be an Iron Hands

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The Pokémon is kind of just absurd

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Fake Out will specifically help you run down opposing Trick Room or buy you free turns to hit stuff with Flutter and Oger

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and Hands is good into Heatran too

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But beyond that it is really just as simple as “Iron Hands stat checks the entire format”

trail iron
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I was thinking about heatran instead of torkoal

peak crypt
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You need Torkoal for Drought

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You are going to be running both Torkoal and Sunny Day Tornadus, because keeping sun up as often as possible means your attackers go crazy

trail iron
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Let's start by setting teras

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Fire -> tork/oger
Fairy -> flutter
Electric -> hands
Ground -> Lando
Flying -> tornadus

polar lotus
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But just wondering, is there any Pokémon I should replace on my team?

peak crypt
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I was talking about Tundra’s team

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Yours looks about how I’d expect Rain to look; play with it and see if anything stands out as a major weakness, then come back

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also put Glide on your Rillaboom

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You could also swap the Palafin for SD Ogerpon-Wellspring

polar lotus
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Ah

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Is Sinistcha a good replacement for rilla?

peak crypt
peak crypt
polar lotus
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Alr

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How would a improved version of my team would look like?

trail iron
peak crypt
trail iron
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It works thank u

peak crypt
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yw

royal cobalt
peak crypt
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I just mean it hits fast and hard, it isn’t rude!!!

polar lotus
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while Male Basc basically plays almost the same as Female Basc

shell arrow
polar lotus
halcyon pantherBOT
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New DOU RMT @torpid moat, @remote edge, @strange sable, @night edge, @light ridge, @earnest junco, @brittle spade, @dire flint, @tardy ember, @rose juniper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak crypt
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the Knock Off really isn't going to help you much over Spiky Shield

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and Trailblaze is unnecessary when you could run Grassy Glide instead

polar lotus
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oh ok

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anything else I should change?

polar lotus
peak crypt
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it's priority

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why make yourself a little faster when you can just always hit them first

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(it's priority when Grassy Terrain is up, which in most games will be often, since you have your own Rillaboom too)

polar lotus
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ok then

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then what about Ice Spinner on Chien Pao?

peak crypt
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oh yeah

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swap to Icicle Crash

polar lotus
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good choice

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wait what about Brick Break on RIllaboom?

blissful musk
midnight crystal
trail iron
shell arrow
peak crypt
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Neither form of Basculegion is actually good when you aren’t running Last Respects

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And if you’re running Last Respects you might as well pump everything you have into the move

shell arrow
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I'm just confused how Basc-M is now DUU while Basc-F is DOU.

queen willow
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And beforehand bascu f was used

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So it skewered usage stats and we have that

shell arrow
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oof

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But now since Rilla gets grassy glide Basc-M should be more balanced

queen willow
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It isnt

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Glide is 55 bp

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Never kills a bascu

shell arrow
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unfort

grizzled karma
halcyon pantherBOT
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New DOU RMT @torpid moat, @remote edge, @strange sable, @night edge, @light ridge, @earnest junco, @brittle spade, @dire flint, @tardy ember, @rose juniper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

grizzled karma
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i peaked pretty high w this (like top 40 smth i forget) then fell off + ratio so i feel like i need to make improvements to the team

remote edge
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have u considered psyseed diancie

grizzled karma
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i like the idea

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mental herb gives freedom to do more vs taunters instead of redirection or fakeout but psyseed means it dies even less than it alr did with matchas help

primal bramble
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I feel like it could've performed better

peak crypt
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you should post a pokepaste link with the team and not just a replay

opaque cave
halcyon pantherBOT
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New DOU RMT @torpid moat, @remote edge, @strange sable, @night edge, @light ridge, @earnest junco, @brittle spade, @dire flint, @tardy ember, @rose juniper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

trail iron
brittle spade
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The best mon for sun semiroom is diancie, you should try fitting it on your team or at least get a fire/flying resist that you don't need to tera

opaque cave
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@brittle spade thank you so much, the evs were really improvised since i didnt find any online for TR

queen willow
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Heatproof??

opaque cave
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heatproof.

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i want it to be bulky to set up TR and stick around for rage powder support

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i dont mind about the heal because of how bulky my team is already

brittle spade
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You should use calc.pokemonshowndown to figure out what you want your pokemon to live or kill

polar lotus
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Is there anything else I should change about this team? (Repost/Bump again)

opaque cave
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I thought it was like +10 and -10 on the base stat

brittle spade
brittle spade
# polar lotus https://pokepast.es/354fdff00680823c

Rain is in a strange spot right now, if you're just looking to ladder it's fine. You could definitely improve the pelipper spread, to try and reach 352 speed under tailwind or live power gem from glimmora or stone axe

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You look a bit weak into trick room

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I'd skip rocks for protect on landorus

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Or substitute

opaque cave
polar lotus
brittle spade
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On yours you'd probably have to find space for a trick room user or a slow mon

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So you'd replace pelipper with tornadus and maybe get iron hands over rillaboom

polar lotus
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yeah

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hey, you mind if you make a improved version of my team please?

brittle spade
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I got no connection rn so you'll have to wait

polar lotus
shell arrow
halcyon pantherBOT
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New DOU RMT @torpid moat, @remote edge, @strange sable, @night edge, @light ridge, @earnest junco, @brittle spade, @dire flint, @tardy ember, @rose juniper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

shell arrow
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I'd like ur thoughts on this semi room team. The idea is to apply massive pressure to trick room teams by outspeeding them outside of trick room but then in trick room, outspeed with room service amoongus

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and then spore

peak crypt
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That is definitely not a semi room team, that’s just a full Trick Room that relies on Hands being busted rather than multiple reliable setters

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Room Service Amoonguss isn’t really necessary because the only relevant thing slower than you anyway is Torkoal, which you can answer with Armarouge or just clicking Tera on the Amoonguss

earnest junco
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I was going to say drop basc for a firepon check

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Except this tier literally has none

torpid moat
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I think the team would be better with cress over indeedee plus a heatran or volcanion yeah

earnest junco
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I would say tran > arma, rilla > amoong for basc and cress > indd is also fine

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Idk how i feel about ursaluna bloodmoon, i feel like the base ursaluna is just kinda better here

shell arrow
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thanks

opaque cave
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since your last were good

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im not confident in what to calc for

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Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 196 SpA / 60 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Imprison
  • Vacuum Wave
  • Moonblast
  • Trick Room
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got this rn

midnight crystal
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What you're gonna wanna do

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Is click over iron valiants name

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Type in flutter mane

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And then use the sample spread

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Iron valiant is not very good

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But if you were to use it you would probably just go 252 252 assuming you want booster speed

opaque cave
midnight crystal
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What's really sad

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Is flutter mane can do that too

opaque cave
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wait yea?

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hahahaha

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i need a fighting type though

midnight crystal
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Use iron hands

opaque cave
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no

midnight crystal
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Fair

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Use conkeldurr

opaque cave
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the team i wanna play is weird af anyways it doesnt matter

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it lacks coverage

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i just wanna play specs spectrier cause its funny

midnight crystal
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Oh is that what you're doing

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That's a little difficult to get away with

opaque cave
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it works kinda fine lmao

midnight crystal
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I could see it being good on ladder

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Just make sure your team has answers for the other ghost types

opaque cave
midnight crystal
opaque cave
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and

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yea

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this the team

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its so bad that its fun to play again

midnight crystal
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If it's a for fun team

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Put a great Tusk on there

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Great Tusk is lando but cool

opaque cave
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does it get intimidate

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nvm didnt think

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well im trying to have fun not to throw

opaque cave
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@midnight crystal 😭

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my elo

midnight crystal
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I'm SORRY

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The timing was really bad for you I'd never usually be that low

opaque cave
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i wouldve won if you didnt have my fucking team sheet bro

peak crypt
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one sided OTS huh

opaque cave
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@midnight crystal the team is not that bad tho Is it

midnight crystal
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If I wasn't paying attention I mightve let your valiant imprison and it would've been really annoying

opaque cave
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😔

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Actual team sheet diff

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Terra ghost valiant

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No more fake out

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Im gonna change that

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Or the mental herb aswell since Trick room is meant to be slow right (and I don’t need the energy capsule to outspeeded them)

trail iron
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@peak crypt I have to show you a team

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I alr know it's bad

coral warren
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@quaint tree

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here

quaint tree
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Ok

torpid moat
opaque cave
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its not like hes trying to win worlds

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it does its purpose

quaint tree
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Yeah only thing I can think of is switch oricorio to ghost

opaque cave
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nah, dont

torpid moat
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would you be against using fewer dance mons?

quaint tree
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Not really

torpid moat
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because that would also make the team better

quaint tree
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What should I switch

torpid moat
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also your volcarona needs protect

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try just volcarona and oricorio, maybe kommo if you're pushing it

opaque cave
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@quaint tree dont forget to change your terra typed

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types

quaint tree
opaque cave
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just common meta like flutter mane and iron hands maybe

quaint tree
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Probably good

torpid moat
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just actually good mons like iron hands and flutter yeah

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you can try follow me ogerpon ig

quaint tree
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What’s a good counter for the current mega

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I will use ogerpon and maybe flutter

opaque cave
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flutter is a must to be honest

torpid moat
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unironically the meta is the best answer to the meta

quaint tree
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Fair enough

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I’ll get right on it

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Right after I finish watching Ahsoka

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What’s the best ogerpon in this situation?

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Fire?

opaque cave
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water is insanely good on defense

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fire offensively

torpid moat
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still fire prob

quaint tree
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Ok

torpid moat
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for the purposes of follow me it's the best one

quaint tree
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So fire with follow me then

opaque cave
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no water follow me

quaint tree
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Ok

opaque cave
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fire is garbage typing defensively

torpid moat
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ok I'll rephrase that as fire is the best oger

opaque cave
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offensively

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:(

torpid moat
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and follow me fire is important for redirecting glide

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also fire has good typing, grass resist is huge rn

quaint tree
torpid moat
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use special oricorio and fully special kommo

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no drain punch

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give volcarona protect over whirlwind

opaque cave
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you should look on your evs again, you shouldnt fuilly go hp or no hp on oricorio

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rather sash

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and invest in offense

torpid moat
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give oricorio the mental herb

opaque cave
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cause what offenses do you wanna multiply if theres none

torpid moat
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it's baton pass oricorio

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not offensive

opaque cave
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oohh

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me no see

torpid moat
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your hands has both protect and detect

opaque cave
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hahaha

torpid moat
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try assault vest hands

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with fake out/drain punch/wild charge/filler

opaque cave
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heavy slam

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ohko s fluttermane like 100 percent with your spread

peak crypt
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part of the issue with that Dancer team is also that you have Acrobatics on a bunch of Pokemon with items they can't get rid of

opaque cave
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@quaint tree you wanna test match after?

peak crypt
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let's start all the way from the top

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what was your thought process while building the team?

quaint tree
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If there’s anything wrong I’m sorry my brains a bit frazzled I’m being spammed in 4 different gcs and am watching Ahsoka while trying to follow your tips

polar lotus
opaque cave
quaint tree
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Should I invest in bulk then?

opaque cave
peak crypt
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so

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the analysis spread is actually not really ideal any more

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it's a good benchmark if you want a bulky Flutter Mane, but it's calibrated to Palafin Jet Punch

opaque cave
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no?

peak crypt
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and Palafin's fallen off really hard

opaque cave
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ah

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i see

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i dont play it that way either just thought that was a more default one

peak crypt
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on top of that, recent meta developments have shown that just murdering your opponent with your Flutter is generally better than investing heavily in bulk

polar lotus
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hey, sorry for interupting, but can I post my team again for rating?

peak crypt
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if you want a super aggressive Flutter, I'd put 56 EVs into Defense, so you can survive standard Rillaboom's Grassy Glide after Stealth Rock

quaint tree
peak crypt
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if you want a more self sufficient Flutter, the dex spread is still pretty good, but could be fine tuned a little more to get some extra damage

opaque cave
quaint tree
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Ok

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So do the same but with 56 Defense and drop some speed then?

peak crypt
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drop Special Attack

opaque cave
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for the energy capsule

quaint tree
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Ok

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So keep the og spread with some Defense

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Just so we’re clear

opaque cave
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im not deep enough into evs to help with that

quaint tree
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Arctic is online

peak crypt
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I am multitasking at almost all times

quaint tree
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Same

peak crypt
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56 Def / 200 SpA / 252 Spe Timid

quaint tree
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Gracias

peak crypt
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and again

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drop Acrobatics from the Oricorio

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just run Air Slash

quaint tree
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Ok

peak crypt
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Acro will only be 55 BP unless you get Taunted, and even then, if you get a boost off Dancer then Air Slash will be better

quaint tree
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I just put that on there to fill the spot I’m pretty sure

brittle spade
peak crypt
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some other EV spreads need some work too

quaint tree
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Like?

peak crypt
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Iron Hands generally wants 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD Adamant

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Kommo-o EV spreads are a little weird, but you can probably start off with 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid

brittle spade
peak crypt
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and if you find you need more bulk later, you can adjust

polar lotus
brittle spade
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Not sure I can find time for ps today, you'll have to ask another rater

quaint tree
polar lotus
peak crypt
quaint tree
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Ok

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Done

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Anything else or am I good to go?

opaque cave
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illegal team

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you got 2 mental herbs

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idk what people play on volcarona

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maybe a berry not sure

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like rock resistance

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or water

quaint tree
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4x weak to rock so maybe the rock resist berry of that even exists

polar lotus
peak crypt
opaque cave
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no?

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okay

quaint tree
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Idk lemme check

peak crypt
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VGC has item clause, but this isn't the VGC rates channel

peak crypt
polar lotus
peak crypt
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what feels weak?

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what's working? what isn't working?

quaint tree
polar lotus
peak crypt
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I can make my own suggestions, but I want to hear from you

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and I don't want to make my own suggestions until I know more about what problems you're having

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because I would rather try to fix those problems than just make blind changes

polar lotus
peak crypt
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you will not get my suggestions until you answer my questions

opaque cave
peak crypt
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I want you to understand why I'm proposing changes. I don't want you to just take the changes I make and go "okay sounds good"

opaque cave
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the flutter mane evs are weird but i love them so except that

peak crypt
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to be totally honest

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I don't think Flutter actually wants to be -speed

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I think you just want a "functional" Flutter Mane

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running a Flutter Mane that's slower than Ogerpon sounds like a great way to get murdered

polar lotus
peak crypt
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if that's the case, play some more games and pay attention to how each Pokemon is performing

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if you just want a single super basic suggestion, pick a move to drop on Landorus for Protect

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that one's easy

opaque cave
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but mistakes happen to improve from

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just dont get trick room get down

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ez

peak crypt
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EVs: 56 HP / 192 Def / 196 SpA / 64 Spe
Timid Nature

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try this

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the Speed puts you at 354 to outrun Tornadus (if you're outspeeding Ogerpon you might as well go Torn too)

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the SpA makes sure you still get a SpA boost off of sun

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the HP is guaranteed to survive a Flash Cannon from Modest Heatran, and the rest is dumped into Defense

opaque cave
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thank you bro ill try that

polar lotus
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yeah Pelipper does suffer against Sun setters

opaque cave
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?

polar lotus
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and Rillaboom and Grassy Glide don't serve much tbh

opaque cave
peak crypt
# opaque cave but is that even at my advantage if i set TR

It's definitely worse in Trick Room, but between Torkoal, Hands, and Enamorus, you have plenty of threats in TR. Running a faster Flutter gives your team more flexibility for the games where your attempts to set TR are stopped or it just isn't safe to go for it immediately

opaque cave
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yea i see that

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thank yo

polar lotus
peak crypt
polar lotus
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Landorous, Chein-Pao, Basculeigon, and Ogerpon

peak crypt
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I think Rillaboom is a little too important to cut given the current format, but we can come back to that if the current suspect test changes anything (and it had BETTER change some things)

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Grassy Glide is really good at answering Flutter Mane and Basculegion, which just so happen to be the two things being suspected

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and you can't really run Glide Ogerpon without a Rillaboom on your team

polar lotus
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well, I wanna replace Glide anyway

peak crypt
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I think you'll gain a lot by switching Brick Break to Wood Hammer

polar lotus
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what about Pelipper?

peak crypt
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Pelipper should probably switch to Eject Button

polar lotus
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why not replace it with Tornadus?

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it's much faster and powerful

peak crypt
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If you're having difficulty keeping Rain up, an automatic switch out means you can set rain then put Pelipper away safely

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Tornadus is a better Pokemon but it's not as reliable at setting up rain, and I think if you want to drop Pelipper for Tornadus then there are some bigger structural changes to make

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(e.g. Lando-I kind of stinks if you don't have a Drizzle Pokemon)

polar lotus
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yeah I rather drop Pelipper for Tornadus imma change my team dramatically

peak crypt
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I also think the Pelipper should just be like

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full special defense

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so if you happen to lead into Sunny Day Tornadus you might not just die to Flutter Moonblast

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Pelipper: 307-363 (94.7 - 112%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

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you aren't guaranteed to survive Modest Specs Moonblast in sun

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but that's certainly better than "you just die to Timid Specs Moonblast"

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most Specs Flutter aren't Modest

polar lotus
peak crypt
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I actually cannot right now, I need to head out

opaque cave
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@polar lotus wanna 1v1?

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im bored

polar lotus
opaque cave
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:(

polar lotus
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okay, last call

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is there something on my team that needs changing or replacing

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(I've been spamming this team in this chat too much sorry-)

opaque cave
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you defo want lando t

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and like scarf uturn and either special or physical both works

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i play earth power/that one sig move/uturn and tera blast

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or

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quake/rock slide/tera blast/uturn

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@polar lotus

polar lotus
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so how do u guys think of this team

polar lotus
opaque cave
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that landorus set is like super basic knowledge not much i could tell you wrong

polar lotus
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idk

opaque cave
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why is u bitching bro

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what

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fuck your team then

opaque cave
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on torkoal

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theres no guarantee youll get amnesia off and without you seem screwed

polar lotus
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How do you look at yourself in the mirror everyday and think to yourself “yep I am a good person” when you say stuff like this to people

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Also this is a team rater chat, not a insult corner

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Who cares if I ignore your suggestion, it’s a suggestion I don’t have to always listen to it

opaque cave
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stop whining

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youre bitching for no reason just say smth like no thanks

polar lotus
opaque cave
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your lando is bad and i told you that and you were bitching already

polar lotus
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Bro

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Can you not

opaque cave
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stick with your bad lando its no prob

polar lotus
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Well, I don’t wanna take your suggestion because I am not interested

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Who cares man

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Just accept that I don’t take your suggestion and move on

opaque cave
polar lotus
opaque cave
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? what bro

polar lotus
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Blocked

opaque cave
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??

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no shot

polar lotus
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Man, that dude is kinda toxic

opaque cave
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imagine helping with a landorus set man so toxic

polar lotus
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Well how is saying “fuck your team” helping

opaque cave
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stop talking to me

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blocked

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good bye

polar lotus
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Good riddance

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By the way, I am doing a rain team, his Landorus set does not really play with the team well, no offence

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Sandsear Storm in the rain is guaranteed to hit non flyer and levitate Pokémon for decent to great damage.

polar lotus
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now that you mention it

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I also replaced power gem with icy wind

opaque cave
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with that

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it provides intimidate aswell, sheer force also removes the burn yk ^^

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you do you but i recommend lando t

polar lotus
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Eh, I think replacing Stealth Rock with Protect on my current Landorus would be better for me

opaque cave
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its such an odd set

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what makes you not go for a default torkoal?

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248 hp / 252 sp a / 8 sp df

polar lotus
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tbh I just got started with DOU

opaque cave
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Torkoal @ Charcoal
Ability: Drought
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Eruption
  • Heat Wave
  • Earth Power
  • Protect
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thats like the default spread

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i doubt theres a new one though ^^

polar lotus
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I gave it helping hand so that I can both set up sun and help my teamates sweep a lot more easily

opaque cave
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sure that works

polar lotus
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Ok imma work on a revised version of my team

trail iron
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@peak crypt Emh... i don't what I was thinking, maybe just: "WATER"

opaque cave
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@peak crypt your TR flutter spread is great ^^

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also lives iron head from enamorus

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polar lotus
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# opaque cave fuck your team then

Please let's try and be more considerate of our words when speaking. Show respect at the very least when speaking because this is not the place for you to be talkin like that to anybody

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opaque cave
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didnt mean it like that

polar lotus
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But I would definitely use a team like this on ladder

polar lotus
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I kinda wanna use the team on tournaments and such

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# opaque cave if yall are that soft then idk

Some(most) don't appreciate that kind of tone or just aren't brought up the same way you are. And even if, no one here knows you well enough for you to be so comfortable speaking to them like thst

midnight crystal
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Just know you might have a couple teams that will give you up hill battles

polar lotus
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I just wanna know if theres something I need to change on my team (Like replacing the weakest link on the team with a better Pokemon)

opaque cave
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You could try tornadus instead of landorus

polar lotus
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It can get speed control for the team way easier than pelipper and could help give you leeway into Match ups like manual sun

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And torn can still spread damage really well with bleakwind

polar lotus
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Uhh sure I'll give it a look in a sec

polar lotus
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I ask because I wanna see your take on my team

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opaque cave
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it pissed me off he had that attitude its not like im always like that

midnight crystal
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I believe you

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Next time try and watch your tongue if something upsets you

opaque cave
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yup

polar lotus
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yeah

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please learn from this, okay?

opaque cave
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shush

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leave me on blocked please

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polar lotus
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If you find torn is hard to pilot you could change taunt to protect

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I have no tect cuz the team kinda struggles to stop trick room from going up

brittle spade
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The team rating

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Or

brittle spade
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I'm rating, I'm a team rater

midnight crystal
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Ou

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I should fill out my rater form

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Packer will you vouch for me

brittle spade
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Fr, I'm not a fan of chien Pao double grass for that build, I ain't so solid into tr

brittle spade
midnight crystal
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I really don't put em out as much as I should

brittle spade
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Your derby teammates would be better for vouching

midnight crystal
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Where's Nido when I need him

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Av Tera fairy gambit would probably round out the team alot better though now that you mention if

brittle spade
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Yeah instead of pao

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It's just begging for a flying resist

warm mica
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eh there's always Natdex doubles which i intend on trying soon

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when it comes to nidos anway

trail iron
opaque cave
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i js lost because a ogerpon outsped me

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even tho i got your spread

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wait omg i had 0 ivs

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💀

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nvm

tardy bear
queen willow
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use sacred sword pao

tardy bear
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Fair

queen willow
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prefer wood hammer ogerpon

tardy bear
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Felt like I had enough damage

queen willow
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youd rather have a chance to ohko volcanion yk

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oh also use jolly ogerpon

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missing out on the chi yu speed tier is bad

opaque cave
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thats like really situational nvm ig

tardy bear
opaque cave
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since you have fake out youre good to go anyways

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if they dont run the cloak

tardy bear
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The opp has to assume they are faster and that you're not Mental Herb/Tera Dark
Unsure why they'd go for it

opaque cave
queen willow
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Max speed consistently outspeeds and threatens ogerpon

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Meanwhile non max speed is threatened to get ohkod by hearthflame

tardy bear
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Haven't had enough issues with it to switch
Will consider it though

queen willow
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It isnt always optimal but its good

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Can consider it

earnest heath
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https://pokepast.es/f5be442bc7b1e0ad
team was crafted pre dlc, any new threats or utilities to consider? (also considering flutter and masc ban)
considering running knock instead of hslam on hoodra to hit womanlegion and for general utility, but my team is also pretty weak to diancie especially if a +2 def boost happens
heavy slam might be an option on tinglu instead of ruination to hit diancie
cress might also want goggles instead of leftovers because amoongus is annoying

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earnest heath
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Hearthflame

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Nothing can set up on it and it hits everything very hard

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Even beats goodra cuz of moldbreaker

earnest heath
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goodra does take hits somewhat well, but not after swords dance for sure

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even with moldbreaker its a resist on grass

midnight crystal
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It needs to Tera in front of it

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Because if not Tera fire ivy Cudgel well chunk it very low

earnest heath
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only like 50%

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Or kill it straight up if it's a sun team

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Let me see the calc

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+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Goodra-Hisui: 268-316 (73.6 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

earnest heath
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oh wait

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tera i forgot boosts stab mvoes

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arcanine can at least intimidate it somewhat safely, but yeah having my main physatk killer be burn isnt super great

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any changes you would recommend to improve my heartflame matchup?

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252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Goodra-Hisui: 180-212 (49.4 - 58.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
Even after Intimidate it still takes a lot

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Uhhh

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Honestly

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Might be a ID BP kommo-o angle

earnest heath
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hmmmm

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So you beat all ogerpon forms

earnest heath
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replacing what?

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Hoodra

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If you want to keep hoodra

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Then I guess make it Tera fire

earnest heath
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komoo-o's diancie matchup is just awful, and my team already struggles with that

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so i would need to fix that

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Id bp?

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Not really

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Unless diance is running moonblast which is rare these days

earnest heath
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really?

midnight crystal
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Ya

earnest heath
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amoongus might also be a problem

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Could go overcoat on it

earnest heath
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one thing nice about hoodra is its ability to sit on both spore and smog

midnight crystal
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Tera steel and overcoat would fix that

earnest heath
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prefer not to be forced to tera vs amoongus

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are amoongus and ogrepon run together commonly?

midnight crystal
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Amoongus isn't common at all

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Post dlc

earnest heath
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oh

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havent caught up to the post dlc meta at all it seems

midnight crystal
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Ogerpon can also redirect so its existence is really bad for amoongus' viability

earnest heath
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so, with id bp, what other moves shoudl kommo run

midnight crystal
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Probably iron head

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And tect

earnest heath
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what does iron head hit?

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+2 press already 2hkos diancie without risking policy proc

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kinda want something for womanlegion and chien pao, but kommo doesnt seem to get any good moves to hit ghosts

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earnest heath
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post flutter mane

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that thing is probably not surviving the suspect

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I'd recommend just waiting for it then

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Cuz there is a very good chance it will

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Lots of people like flutter

earnest heath
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perhaps

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ironhead only 2hkos flutter which is a bit problematic

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i could run bulletproof, but then that opens me up to spore

torpid moat
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bulletproof doesn't seem to block anything relevant?

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oh, terad shadow ball ig

earnest heath
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update: fezandipiti is ass so i put hoodra back on

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quaint tree
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But team sky

dire flint
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However, I think you can get more wins with this team by changing the Tera types and moves

quaint tree
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Name everything I need to change

dire flint
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Talonflame should either have only special moves or physical don’t try to do both

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Kilowattrel should have weather ball instead of dual wingbeat

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Espathra should be speed boost with calm mind and baton pass

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Corviknight, Talonflame and Espathra should all have Tera types that help them defensively

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Empoleon should also have a different move than wave crash

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That’s make the team better but I want to reiterate that if you actually want to win games you should use a different team

quaint tree
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Yeah I know I just thought it’d be fun to win at least a few games with a meme team

opaque cave
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is there a way to make spectrier viable

torpid moat
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wait for basc and flutter to be banned, then run np with grassy seed

odd echo
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Hi hi trying to get a team for my game to climb the ladder with I wanted to use two of my favorites being Delphox and Sawsbuck can't use pokepaste cause for some reason it doesn't work on my phone and I'm not home psycry psycry

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odd echo
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I'm comfusedddd ogerooh ogerooh ogerooh

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Vgc is pick 6 bring 4v4 doubles as opposed to this channel that's just 6v6 doubles, they have a lot of differences that make building very different

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Check the vgc rates channel and they will do a better job at helping improve your team

odd echo
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Okay yet where do I find the singles?? Cause this is a singles team

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So sorry if I seem annoyed been channel hopping alot lol

midnight crystal
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Singles but they're all level 50? Is it battle stadium singles?

odd echo
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Yes

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Ah I see

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And that channels currently locked

odd echo
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Damnit

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Tysm

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trail iron
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Is inteleon good in DOU?

peak crypt
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no

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it has good Special Attack and Speed, but glass cannons struggle a lot in DOU

trail iron
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Why not? It's a bulky support

peak crypt
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Inteleon is not bulky at all

trail iron
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Oh yeah

peak crypt
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70 / 65 / 65 is really bad bulk

trail iron
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Sorry

peak crypt
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and on that one team you built you tried to give it an Eviolite

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that doesn't work.

trail iron
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So you remember

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Wait I modified that team

peak crypt
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yeah sorry I've been busy

trail iron
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No prob

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Do you have time now?

peak crypt
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some

trail iron
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Ok

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Gimme a sec

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Here it is

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peak crypt
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let's start with a basic thing:

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why is your Ogerpon Hasty with Special Attack EVs when it has no special moves?

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and why is your Armarouge Naive with Attack EVs when it has no physical moves?

trail iron
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I didn't notice it

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I followed the game's suggestions

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I know I'm really dumb

peak crypt
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I don't really know how the suggestion button gave you those spreads

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unless you had different moves before and changed them

trail iron
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Yes I did

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I think I forgot to change the EVS later

peak crypt
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now that that's out of the way

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Ambipom and Inteleon both suffer from the same problem: glass cannons just aren't great in DOU

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they've very good at killing the thing in front of them, but they need to be good at killing both of the things in front of them

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or all you do is trade one Pokemon for another

trail iron
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I use inteleon for support not for attack

peak crypt
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and it is really, really bad at doing that

trail iron
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Grimsnarl is better

peak crypt
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Grimmsnarl or Alolan Ninetales would do fast screens better, yes

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on top of those two, Armarouge really only stands out because of Expanding Force

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in all other aspects it's worse than the other available Fire types

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so if you aren't running it with Indeedee you'll wish it was a Heatran or a Chi-Yu instead

trail iron
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Ok

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Bit is heatran or chi-yu better

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But*

peak crypt
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they generally play different roles

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do you want your Fire type to be a high damage attacker, or would you prefer something that can switch in on more things?

trail iron
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High damage

peak crypt
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Chi-Yu

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I've been running Choice Specs with Heat Wave / Dark Pulse / Overheat / Snarl and Tera Fire a lot recently, but Life Orb with Protect over one of those moves will work too

queen willow
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technically scarf and av also work as high damage

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much easier to switch into things but its still chi yu

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av modest chi yu snarl still 2hkos iron bundle

trail iron
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And grimsnarl?

peak crypt
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Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Tera Type: Ghost
Careful Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Spirit Break
- Parting Shot

trail iron
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Ok thank you

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Wait shouldn't I also switch ambipom?

peak crypt
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yeah that's what we're getting to next

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what do you want that Ambipom to do?

trail iron
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Block the other team attacks or help my other Pokémon on the field

peak crypt
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to be honest I think the best thing you can put in that slot is a pretty simple Tornadus

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Tailwind is super helpful for your three attackers and Taunt dissuades opposing Trick Room

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between screens and Amoonguss you have a lot of ways of shutting things down already

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ive had decent success with this peaking at like 1700s on ladder then i fell off + ratio

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any improvements yall can think of

peak crypt
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Did you have any particular hard matchups?

brittle spade
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brittle spade
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Sinistcha is by far the worst mon on your team

grizzled karma
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no way is it bad

brittle spade
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I didn't say it was bad per say

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It's an amazing support for some setup mons

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But on a diancie sun team I'd never consider it

grizzled karma
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ngl u right

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so for this team if we want it more rounded roaring moon and flutter over indeedee and sinistcha?

brittle spade
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If you wanna run the teapot you should either make it plot/cm and build the team around that, or run something like swords dance iron hands or goodra with it

brittle spade
grizzled karma
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yeah imma make another team for matcha

brittle spade
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They both synergize very well with sun

grizzled karma
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ogrepon h ofc right

brittle spade
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Maybe start with just ogerpon instead of sinistcha and see what gives

grizzled karma
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aight

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ty

brittle spade
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Hf

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brittle spade
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Wood hammer ivy cudgel spiky shield taunt/SD/follow me/uturn

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You either go max speed max atk jolly

grizzled karma
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heard

brittle spade
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Or cap speed at 300 and run adamant + bulk

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imma go flutter over ind so i have more than one way to exist outside room

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going lo on flutter

brittle spade
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Follow me is nice for your team

grizzled karma
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aight ty

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where would i start for a sinistcha team

brittle spade
grizzled karma
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goodra base or goodra h

brittle spade
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Goodra h

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Hands and goodra h have sample sets for setup

grizzled karma
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yea

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after that does flutter sound good

brittle spade
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Oh and this time you should run hospitality over heatproof

grizzled karma
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i had hospitality i thought

brittle spade
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I put heatproof for your team

grizzled karma
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ohhh

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i see

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cause it was sun

brittle spade
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Yeah

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And it's also better if you're relying a lot on it to set tr

grizzled karma
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i like hospitality support

brittle spade
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it is fun

grizzled karma
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so who else gets added

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im thinking flutter then i need more room mons

brittle spade
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depends, you could go screens and more setup, you could go glimmora iron hands assault vest

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this was a sample a while back

grizzled karma
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glimmora sounds more fun so ill throw that on

brittle spade
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you'd basically just replace rillaboom cresselia with iron hands assault vest and sinistcha

grizzled karma
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fine with me

brittle spade
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lots of possibilities and i don't know what the best one is

grizzled karma
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in a team like that do we still want room

brittle spade
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you have tr on sinistcha already

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it's fine

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brittle spade
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you don't want nasty plot anymore, go protect or strength sap

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went sap

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i wish more mons got water spout

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imagine rainroom with a slow water spouter

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opaque cave
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I know there’s more optimal choices than lombre probably, but it’s the only Pokémon with access to fake out to help set up Trick room and water gun to trigger armarouges weakness policy

torpid moat
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have you considered using shadow sneak at least?

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like on sableye for example

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but you're seriously better off just not using arma in the first place tbh

opaque cave
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I’ll consider that

opaque cave
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how is armarouge wrong in this strat

midnight crystal
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But that didn't happen

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So

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It works!

opaque cave
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ive never seen a screen iron hands tho lmao

midnight crystal
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It's not screen iron hands it's screens grimsnarl

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And SD iron hands

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I mean if you want to use this strat for some mid ladder fun you can

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If you want a rate on its effectiveness

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It's not good for multiple reasons

opaque cave
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It’s just funny to mess with some lower elo players

polar lotus
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Ngl This was a lot scarier that what it looks like

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Tbh i should have used earth power instead of helping hand on that one torkoal turn

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peak crypt
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there isn't a specific thread for Doubles Ubers but this one works

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you need more broken Pokemon

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you only have Koraidon right now

pulsar sinew
quaint tree
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Hey how would I build a consistent team with Greninja?

midnight crystal
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You wouldn't

peak crypt
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that's the short answer

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the long answer is "surround it with Pokemon so strong that the downsides of having a Greninja on your team are negated by the strength of your other Pokemon"

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but at that point you're just playing a five-mon team with a random frog

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Greninja might look a little better if Flutter Mane is banned in this suspect test, but right now I would not put Greninja on a team even if you paid me

quaint tree
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I have seen people use it though with some moderate success

quaint tree
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What’s a good set for sash Chien Pao

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I have protect icicle crash and sucker punch

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I need one last move

warm mica
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Maybe psyfang or sword for coverage options with a ghost tera type so you don't lose sash to a fighting type immediately

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Plus you turn your other weaknesses into at least neutral damage

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You will lose the immunity to psychic but an immunity to normal and fighting is great

pulsar sinew
peak crypt
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Second Dark move is an option over coverage on Chien-Pao too

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Lash Out punishes Intimidate switchins

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Crunch and Throat Chop do slightly more damage

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torpid moat
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you also have protect on your specs bundle

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do ice spinner pao on non-terrain reliant teams

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having pao and bundle on the same team is awkward though

quaint tree
torpid moat
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I could buy basculegion instead of bundle

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helmet rilla isn't a thing

quaint tree
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So what set do I run for bascu

torpid moat
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even if that were the case, ice spinner would still be better vs rilla than caring about helmet

quaint tree
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Ok

torpid moat
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scarf last respects/wave crash/aqua jet/flip turn is standard

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you could prob shift around speeds a bit, like running fatter cm pixie plate flutter

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or nonscarf lando

quaint tree
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Idk I’ll do a couple games see what I can improve

tardy bear
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probably noteworthy to move the hp on Iron Hands into SpD

brittle spade
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I wanna see the logs where everyone talks about helmet rilla

quaint tree
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Ok literally the first game had helmet rilla

zinc lodge
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I want some thoughts on my doubles team if anyone has any. I’m running trick room cresselia (trick room, ally switch, moonblast, lunar blessing) with rocky helmet. I open it next to max SpD max HP curse torterra (bullet seed, rock blast, earthquake, curse) with loaded dice and water terra. I have chandelure and clodsire as support when needed (like against grass types or strong water types). I know this is a block of text, but thoughts?

peak crypt
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one of those Pokemon is good

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tardy bear
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Wouldn't say the pokemon used are very viable

dapper flume
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mostly using this against friends, not for ladder, but any tweaks/synergy help is appreciated

torpid moat
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and give polteageist sash over white herb

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you're probably also better off using polteageist as a baton pass mon that happens to carry shadow ball

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than an attacker in itself

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give torkoal a second fire move like heat wave over ancient power, eruption is unreliable

warm mica
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So I take it for doubles that ribombee is too fragile as a web user in Doubles?

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peak crypt
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Arboliva and Ambipom both kind of stink, but the rest of the Pokémon are good

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I don’t like having three Grass types on the team either

trail iron
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I use ambipom as a buff for flutter and arboliva as life sucker/sunny day setter

peak crypt
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The thing is you don’t really need either of those things

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Flutter is strong enough that spending two turns trying to pass it Nasty Plot won’t usually win you a game you couldn’t win already

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and Ambipom is certainly not the best Pokémon for the job anyway

peak crypt
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thought a little more on this

The issue with SubSeed is you don't really impact the board. In DOU it's really hard to get away with passive Pokemon, because if your Pokemon are passive and your opponent's aren't, you can get run over really quickly. Pokemon that win slowly through sets like SubSeed don't generally get very far because they have to focus too much on staying alive to actually win the game. There have been some exceptions in the past, sure - Ferrothorn and Celesteela are very potent Leech Seed users in past generation DOU formats, but they are generally leveraging incredible defensive ability to put the opponent in positions where they can't win. A Pokemon like Arboliva doesn't have the luxury of being a Steel type with a tiny list of answers, so it doesn't have the ability to win with Leech Seed like those two. As far as the Sunny Day part goes, Arboliva just has too many weaknesses to reliably use a support move when it's more often than not moving last.

Ambipom meanwhile just kinda sucks in general. Sure, it has the strongest Fake Out in the game, but Fake Out has never been a move you use for damage. It's a move you use because it shuts off one of your opponent's Pokemon for a turn, and the threat of Fake Out can cause opponents to play in different ways that you can capitalize on. This also pushes Fake Out users toward bulk, and Ambipom is not bulky in any way, shape, or form.

zinc lodge
tardy bear
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Torterra, Chandelure and Clodsire are bad pokemon in dou

peak crypt
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yeah it's basically just that

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none of them really have the stats or other good traits to compete on their own merits, and they don't have particularly good matchups either

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and Clodsire is a little too passive to cut it too

peak crypt
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webs are a lot weaker in DOU because there's a lot of more powerful speed control available in Tailwind and TR

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if you're going to run Webs, Ribombee's probably your best setter

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but in general it's too easy for most teams to get past webs

remote swift
halcyon pantherBOT
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peak crypt
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This is a bad DOU team but it’s probably a decent DUU team

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All six of these Pokémon are DUU by usage or lower

remote swift
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Sorry I’m kinda unfamiliar with tiers :3

gusty rampart
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Cheeseburger (Ursaluna-Bloodmoon) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Blood Moon
  • Moonblast
  • Earth Power
  • Hyper Voice

Diancie @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Trick Room
  • Body Press
  • Reflect
  • Light Screen

Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Trick Room
  • Night Shade
  • Icy Wind

Kingambit @ Choice Band
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Kowtow Cleave
  • X-Scissor
  • Iron Head
  • Poison Jab

Sinistcha-Masterpiece @ Assault Vest
Ability: Hospitality
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Matcha Gotcha
  • Tera Blast
  • Scald
  • Hex

Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Make It Rain
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Shadow Ball
  • Thunderbolt
tardy bear
gusty rampart
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how do i get pokepaste

tardy bear
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!pokepaste

halcyon pantherBOT
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gusty rampart
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heres the team

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heres my other team btw

brittle spade
# gusty rampart https://pokepast.es/d6f9a9d23d534c63

diancie is bad as a screen setter and dusclops can be extremely bad in certain matchups
i'd run something like this : https://pokepast.es/40551c3433ed9973
ninetales is a better screens setter
i'd also put this instead of the kingambit, otherwise you have a big fire weakness :
Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Fake Out
  • Drain Punch
  • Wild Charge
  • Ice Punch
gusty rampart
brittle spade
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Glad you like it, have fun

gusty rampart
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Thx

mystic totem
halcyon pantherBOT
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New DOU RMT @torpid moat, @remote edge, @strange sable, @night edge, @light ridge, @earnest junco, @brittle spade, @dire flint, @tardy ember, @rose juniper, @peak crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

brittle spade
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You could also run uturn ogerpon water over rillaboom for something fast on your team

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Swords dance iron hands would work too

mystic totem
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hmm

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what would ursaluna bring compared to gambit?

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like meta-wise(?)

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im not really sure what i should be looking out for that much

brittle spade
mystic totem
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i see

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that sounds pretty cool

brittle spade
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You'd run something like min speed, swords dance facade headlong rush/high horsepower protect, adamant 100atk and the rest in bulk

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Tera normal or ghost

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Guts flame orb

mystic totem
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ooh i see

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and then for ogerpon water what would the set look like?

brittle spade
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Something like 330 speed 252hp rest in atk ivy cudgel wood hammer U-turn follow me

warm mica
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I had similar results in a test run for a Natdex doubles team but with Bloodmoon and Golurk as my Trick room sweeper

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And Golurk was more of a focus Punch gimmick than a legit sweeper I didn't even get to use it until the end of my first test run

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Even then most of the leg work was done by Bloodmoon

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And I let my opponent set up Trick room... On purpose

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Speaking of, looking forward to what Golurk gets in Indigo Disk

mystic totem
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i'll definitely try it out

trail iron
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How can I build a dondozo/tatsugiri team?

pulsar sinew
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It's not in VGC tho.

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#1059704283072831499

trail iron
pulsar sinew
peak crypt
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Tatsugiri is indeed banned in Doubles OU

pulsar sinew
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@trail iron (just in case you haven't checked ^)

trail iron
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Ok sorry

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My bad

plain nova
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Anyone have some good hyper offense teams?

dire flint
# plain nova Anyone have some good hyper offense teams?

you can find good ones in the team bazaar and the sample team threads
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-sample-teams.3710876/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-ou-team-bazaar.3710875/page-4
keep in mind a lot of them are designed for previous metagames though

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Resource - Doubles OU Team Bazaar

Matcha team, the move is so silly so I tried a setup set to fully abuse it boosted by rilla. slapped 4 brokens with it, chiyu can also boost more healing for it. double fo to set tr more consistently. not sure how good Sinistcha is cuz the stats arent amazing, prob t3 but the team is very fun...

vestal goblet
halcyon pantherBOT
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vestal goblet
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dawg js snitched on me

rose juniper
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there are a couple of things I see that could be improved on

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but before I get to that

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I assume you want to keep poli?

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ill start with the 2 pokemon I would highly recommand to remove

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which is toxapex and chi-yu

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toxapex just isn't good in dou for several reasons

pulsar sinew
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Also there are better Swift swimmers.

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Bascu is a major example.

rose juniper
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mainlt because it has a huge lack in offensive pressure and in other utility

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he has bascu

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eitherway

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toxapex is very good at stall but in doubles stall doesn't really work since 2 pokemon can threaten it at once

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so I would switch that out for something else

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and while chi yu is actually really good it doesn't really work well on rain

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and with its sp.def lowering ability it also does more damage in that regard to your team then the opponents team since your only special attackers are pelliper and basculegion besides chi yu but I would highly recommand to get rid of the basculegion set you are using

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but before I get to that I will list a couple of good replacements for those 2 mons I just mentioned

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Tsarena: tsar works really well here since rain often has problem with grass spam (rillaboom with grassy glide and sometimes paired with other mons that use glide, mainly ogerpon) which tsar counters because of her ability that blocks priority

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And with tsar being grass type it benifits from rain so she takes less damage from fire type moves

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Another great mon ime for rain is zapdos

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Zapdos has 2 really powerful stabs in hurricane and thunder which are both a 100% accurate in rain

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Where hurricane as a flying type moves covers grass types really well

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And thunder as an electric type moves deals with other water types

pulsar sinew
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However be wary of Waterpon. It can threaten your team if given the opportunity.

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Water pon also works well here to the rain boosted ivy cudgels.

rose juniper
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But if you wanna focus more on other swiftswim users you can also look at barraskweda or use palafin who even tho doesn't have swift swim is still always a strong pick for rain teams

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In terms of sets I would start with a small change to the poli

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I would remove ice beam and make it adamant instead

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Since you are already using choice band you are kinda always better off using a physical move

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And then my main point is do please change the basculegion set

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Basculegion is strong for 2 reasons

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Its abilitys

pulsar sinew
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Waterpon matches up incredibly well against rain.

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It's rainboosted Ivy cudgels are going to be hard to deal with considering switching is risky and loses momentum.