#Smogon Doubles Rates

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halcyon pantherBOT
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brittle spade
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Besides bright powder it looks fine.
What you should do is look through samples or play on ladder and review your answers to stuff

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See if you have checks for everything

queen willow
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im not a newbie (i dont think)

remote edge
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yeah just a noob

queen willow
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shut

remote edge
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no

queen willow
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:c

remote edge
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what's the magic word

queen willow
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please

remote edge
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not what I was looking for but ok

queen willow
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abracadabra?

remote edge
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:3

queen willow
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oh

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meow

remote edge
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no it was :3

queen willow
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:3 and meow are the same

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:3

remote edge
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:3

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anyways

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glimmer knows what she's doing more or less dw

earnest junco
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Personally i would use av bundle and give chi yu an icy wind speed benchmark (like, outspeeding meowscarada or iron valiant after an icy wind or something), but this looks fine as is

queen willow
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Ill try that too

naive iron
halcyon pantherBOT
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queen willow
naive iron
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Oh

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Sorry

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Now it's okay

queen willow
queen willow
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I suggest you look at samples before making a team

queen willow
remote edge
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not today sorry

queen willow
queen willow
torpid moat
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imo the skeledirge should be an arc

queen willow
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I can change it but just wanna know

torpid moat
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use a more attrition-y build with slack off

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but the team could really use intim from arc

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I think lefties tera grass would be better

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if you do keep

queen willow
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Like this?

torpid moat
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sure

halcyon pantherBOT
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keen vigil
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OU

brittle spade
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big problem with the sets

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eventually you'll need to get rid of sableye, it's bad in dou

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tera types are fine

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you can just run life orb along with an indeedee

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weakness policy arma is most easily activated by iron bundle

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i can send you a team that uses it if you want

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yeah

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with bundle

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something like that

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open bundle armarouge flip turn into armarouge weakness policy activates and you get indeedee in

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and click expanding force

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while outspeeding every fast threat

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glimmora sets hazards

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wochien was there for annihilape support and against stallier teams

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replace arma and ape with this :

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MILLENIUM BREAK (Iron Hands) @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 28 HP / 252 Atk / 228 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 30 Spe

  • Swords Dance
  • Drain Punch
  • Wild Charge
  • Stomping Tantrum

THE GARY (Armarouge) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Weak Armor
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 176 HP / 252 SpA / 80 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Protect
  • Expanding Force
  • Heat Wave
  • Energy Ball
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for your meowscarada team i would go life orb alongside indeedee, no weakness policy

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and if you want weakness policy arma go with something like this

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yeah

brittle spade
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you should look at the sample sets for a better ev distribution on rillaboom incineroar

keen vigil
naive iron
earnest junco
# keen vigil https://pokepast.es/1c63ed896844e23a Gen 8 OY
  • there’s not really a reason to use primarina over tapu fini, fini has better team utility with misty terrain and is just a better pokemon in general
  • regieleki is niche and doesnt have proper support here
  • amoonguss and heatran both stack types with incineroar and rillaboom for no particular reason, and air balloon tran is really bad
  • because i would need to replace over half the team for it to be viable, im just going to recommend using samples for now
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https://pokepast.es/79ceb46a2acfd4c9 i also have this team which has a similar (?) structure (zyg > heatran keeps the strong spread attacker, zapdos > eleki gives you immediate speed, and fini > primarina bc fini is just kinda better)

torpid moat
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valiant needs protect

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gholden wants trick over specs recover

naive iron
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But sure I'll use Great Tusk

torpid moat
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that's a singles thing

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hazard removal is almost never necessary for dou

naive iron
torpid moat
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tbolt

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also prob psychic over psyshock

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potentially life orb too

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murkrow prankster tailwind gives you the speed leeway

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don't run spa on amoong

naive iron
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I just forgot to change evs after getting rid of giga drain

keen vigil
naive iron
torpid moat
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icy wind kyurem-b for example, definitely at least tailwind over roost zard

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recovery moves suck on frail mons

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and not even like amoong runs synthesis

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you also likely don't need both lando and terrak

jovial root
halcyon pantherBOT
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jovial root
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thoughts on this dou ss team?

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also wow thats

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a lot of pings

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seidjkc'

brittle spade
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it's chabot

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you're getting the elite summoned here for your team

jovial root
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a

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we,,

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well

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thats

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uh

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my bad

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.

brittle spade
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elite teamraters

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assemble!

jovial root
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how often do you get pinged here @-@

light ridge
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like once or twice a day

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no need to say my bad

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this is expected

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i also do not play ss 💀 so i am not sure how much i can help here

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my gut says the team needs more amoonguss answers

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but thats about all i can offer

jovial root
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amoonguss

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isnt like

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in ss

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meta

light ridge
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its not super used but like

jovial root
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as far as ive seen

light ridge
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sure

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again i dont play ss, i just think if you happen to face it

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youre often sacking a mon to spore, which is fine

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someone who plays ss handle this

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lmao

jovial root
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i mean i have blaze kick on gene

light ridge
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you have rain

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its doing 25

jovial root
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LMAO

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or hurricane on zap

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taunt on lele....

torpid moat
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the gene set is really whack

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av still wants u turn

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try u turn/iron head/ice beam/tbolt

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thunder's fine too

jovial root
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i mean its a rain team so i feel thunder’s fine right

torpid moat
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I don't really buy pixie plate lele compared to life orb or sitrus or something

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rest seems pretty standard for rain

jovial root
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really?

torpid moat
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sure

jovial root
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i have like no fire moves

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me when i have to fight any steel type

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also like

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why is urshifu rapid

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not... banned

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also

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i feel like

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Tapu Lele @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Psychic
  • Taunt
  • Protect
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this should be ev'd more defensively

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right?

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or at least

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slower

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Tapu Lele @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Aromatherapy
  • Taunt
  • Protect
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the 2nd set should be better in my opinion

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:P

torpid moat
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you just click water moves or cc vs the steels

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that's how rain works

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alternatively, just pick up the rain sample

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if it's a ferro then you hurricane or cc it

jovial root
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true

earnest junco
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personally i would run tsareena > tapu lele because urshi can't click aqua jet in psyterrain and tsareena's coverage is kinda just more useful than lele's imo

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but this is probably also fine

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volcanion may be a bit of an issue but

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kingdra zap and urshi all hit it pretty hard

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you just need to position well against it, bc if you're out of position it just kinda gets a kill/burns something

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i don't know what the urshifu evs do but i won't change them

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252/252 is cringe anyway

jovial root
earnest junco
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assault vest

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you could run sitrus berry with taunt

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but that set sucks imo

jovial root
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should i jjust

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Tsareena @ Assault Vest
Ability: Queenly Majesty
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 136 SpD / 104 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Power Whip
  • Zen Headbutt
  • U-turn
  • Rapid Spin
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run this one

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(obv without tera steel but you get the point)

earnest junco
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i would run this

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you could also run like

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a faster set to u turn before rilla

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or more spdef to tank naga better

jovial root
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whats rillas speed?

earnest junco
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the evs are mostly user preference

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rilla's base speed is 206 but usually they run like

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at least 212, sometimes 221

jovial root
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ic

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also

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why would i run feint

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its a 30bp normal move

earnest junco
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blocks protect

jovial root
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i get it breaks protect but like

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still.

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30bp

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no stab

earnest junco
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rain as a playstyle is just

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kingdra and 5 mons that stop you from beating kingdra

jovial root
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LMFAO

earnest junco
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and feint lets you break protect so they can't stall out your rain turns

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Tsareena (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Queenly Majesty
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Atk / 52 SpD / 168 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Power Whip
  • Triple Axel
  • Feint
  • U-turn
jovial root
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i mean i guess

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some damage is damage

earnest junco
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here's a faster spread to outspeed modest steela/rillaboom

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and then the spdef spread is just

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252hp/36+atk/16def/dump the rest in spdef

jovial root
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if its AV shouldnt i invest the spd evs

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into defense

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cuz av raises spd anyway

earnest junco
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yeah thats the first spread

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it lives incin flare blitz outside of rain

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but you also just

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live a ton of phsyical hits

jovial root
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**politoed

earnest junco
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and the spdef lets you live nihilego's +1 sludge bomb

jovial root
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oooh

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thats nice

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btw why is politoed used instead of peli

earnest junco
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tbh

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i don't know

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i think its just

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pure water is a better defensive typing

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and politoed has better bulk

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and utility options

jovial root
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i thought peli had better bulk

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huh.

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ty, ill try it and see how it goes

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aw shit

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unrelated but my pc's padding just broke

earnest junco
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pelipper has higher defense but its nullified by worse hp

jovial root
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i see

queen willow
jovial root
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and hp is just better right

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in every situation

earnest junco
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its hard to speak in absolutes in pokemon but

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hp is generally more valuable bc its dual purpose

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but defense/spdef have more impact on that specific stat

jovial root
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hmm

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weird

queen willow
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And hp stat calculations are different from defenses so its hard to compare them

jovial root
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wh

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why

queen willow
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Because generally speaking if the defensive stats are equal, numerically hp is more

jovial root
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i just ran into rain teams 4 times in a row

queen willow
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But ofc not all mons have equal defensive distribution and what they wanna take is really what matters

jovial root
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2 of those were from the same person

jovial root
earnest junco
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oh, and lash out is better than crunch

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on ttar

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i forgot to change that

queen willow
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I mostly prefer sitrus because i dont like my shifu check being specs fini

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Shifu is scawy

earnest junco
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shifu do be scawy

jovial root
earnest junco
jovial root
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URSHIFU SINGLE STRIKE IS LEGAL AGAIN

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WHAT

earnest junco
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it shouldn't be

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yeah its duber

jovial root
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oh

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nvm

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hes rapdi

earnest junco
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yeah that just means the urshi form hasnt been revealed yet

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hence the -*

jovial root
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oooohhhhhh

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thats what it meansssss

earnest junco
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it defaults to fighting dark because

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dark urshifu is technically the "default" urshifu, and rapid strike is a forme

jovial root
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ah

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why is rapid not banned btw

earnest junco
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it was suspected in kart meta

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and was almost banned

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but it wasnt and kart was banned instead

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and now it's just not broken anymore

jovial root
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why was it

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suspected

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its like

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good

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really good

earnest junco
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bc kart + urshi was a broken offensive core that forced the meta into hyper offense tailwind wars

jovial root
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ah

earnest junco
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without kartana urshifu is just like

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fine

jovial root
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i dont see the difference between rapid and single

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without typing and moves

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technically rapid has 85bp and single has 70

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cuz it hits 3 times

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75* cant math

earnest junco
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dark fighting has no resists other than fairy

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so if you didnt have fini or another urshifu on your team

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something just died whenever it came in

jovial root
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why not ghost fighting

earnest junco
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ghost fighting is marshadow coverage

jovial root
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oh yea didnt exist

earnest junco
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and marsh is also banned

jovial root
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wait

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o

earnest junco
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for the same reason

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everything just died

jovial root
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i mean

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what about like

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super bulky mons

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guzzlord

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you could also just outspeed and willowisp

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with... something

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LMAO

jovial root
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is this channel only for team rating or other stuff aswell

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also im in love with this team, its so good

image.png
jovial root
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what could i have done better here?
*in both games, i feel like i made a lot of mistakes but dont know what i coulda done better

jovial root
naive iron
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Maybe it knows what kind of links are teams and which are not

jovial root
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what happens if i just

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huh.

naive iron
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It's smarter than you think

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Probably

jovial root
halcyon pantherBOT
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jovial root
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okay

remote edge
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is this the same team

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'-'

jovial root
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no no

remote edge
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it is, isn't it

jovial root
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i posted it to alert the bot so i could get general gameplay advice

remote edge
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.

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this isn't the place for that

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lmao

jovial root
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thats what this channel is ofr isnt

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o

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look ,

remote edge
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no

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its rate my team

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that's for comp-general

jovial root
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i just see DOU rates

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OH its

remote edge
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its in the rate my team forum.

jovial root
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look

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i am not as smart as you think i am

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.

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im sorry zoe T~T

brittle spade
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I rate teams

brittle spade
rugged drum
halcyon pantherBOT
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rugged drum
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Trying this meta for the first time

tight spire
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Looking good but you don't really need toxic on amoongus imo anymore

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That was a ct for annihilape usually

jovial root
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Thoughts on this team?

torpid moat
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gives you a room option for torkoal too

jovial root
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T-T

earnest junco
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Also use thunder on gholdengo

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I forgot to change it

jovial root
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why would i use icy wind

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@earnest junco

earnest junco
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Speed control

jovial root
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cheems is already faster than dragapult or sum

earnest junco
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Nop

jovial root
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around there

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u know what i meant

earnest junco
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Its not for chien itself

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You have slow palafin

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And non scarf dengo

jovial root
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i have never heard someone refer to gholdengo as dengo

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if i wanted icy wind why not just run it on peli

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and wouldnt cheems just wanna like

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have 2 stabs and 2 coverage moves

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eh whatever

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eehhhh

kindred hamlet
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ok DOU bash my skull in

halcyon pantherBOT
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brittle spade
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that's a lot of setup

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not much immediate power or support for them either besides screens

light ridge
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i do not want to bash your skull in

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agreeing with too much setup, its hard to maintain screens, hazards, setting up with 2 mons and a trick room mode

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id try to streamline the team to one or two of those ideas

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grimm/garg/moon/gholdengo sounds like a good starting point, and you can potentially throw on mons like amoong to support these

kindred hamlet
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cuz Armarouge with garganacl trick room just gave me my first win lel

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Anyways thank you for the feed back ill make a new version : Dd

light ridge
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it is hard to recommend concrete feedback because the team has a lot of different ways you could take it

kindred hamlet
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Ill get rid of trick room cuz that was a mistake

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on my part

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ill go fix rq

kindred hamlet
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Ill add Amoongus as a sleeper

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for Salt curing garg

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to or my other attackers

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OR

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should i get rid of grimm and just stay with glimmora?

light ridge
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if glimm and grimm is working for you

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by all means keep it

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i think amoong > arma would do a lot to help roaring moon click dd regardless

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and streamlines the team

kindred hamlet
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Ok Thank you

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Its nearly finished

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hi hate to say it but the only difference is arma is sus (amoonguss)

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Pbeat me up and put me into a coma

light ridge
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i am not putting you in a coma

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this looks better

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last thing is not super sure on eq roaring moon on this team?

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just bc no immunities and few protect users

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i have not used roost dd but it seems look a good team for it

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otherwise protect is just fine

kindred hamlet
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kk

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So instead of protec i could use roost for more health

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so i replaced acrobatics woth roost

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should i change tera type to steel or fairy??

brittle spade
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id say take off earthquake and put protect

brittle spade
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it's a set i was keeping for myself but i still haven't come around to using it

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you don't need speed since you'll already outspeed everything after one dragon dance

light ridge
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ive seen roost dd cut in some vgc grassroots

brittle spade
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yeah roost is a vgc set, it's never making the cut for dou

light ridge
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roaring mid

brittle spade
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dd moon is like a tier 3 setup set

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yeah its mid

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it just hits

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so hard

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it's not top cut

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but one day, you're gonna find yourself in an unwinnable matchup because your opponent has moon

jovial root
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these teams dont look unbalanced right

brittle spade
queen willow
halcyon pantherBOT
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earnest junco
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You could try nasty plot farigiraf here but like

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Tr is probably more consistent and good

jovial root
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just trying to makr sure one of them isnt too much

sinful agate
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Can anyone give their opinion of my team

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tight spire
torpid moat
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hydro hydrei seems unnecessary, that could totally be earth power

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but I'm not sure you can pull off nasty plot regardless

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there's no speed control here or anything

sinful agate
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thanks

jovial root
halcyon pantherBOT
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jovial root
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silfjkbe

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I FORGOT IT DOES THAT IM SORRY

light ridge
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ur fine

jovial root
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it must be annoying tho-

light ridge
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its not, i muted except for notification number next to the server icon

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all is good

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o7

jovial root
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oki-

light ridge
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without looking at team structure much, lele and garde sets could be improved

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1 sec

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hyper voice is the good part of gardevoir

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does big damage with pixilate

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you can run bulkier versions of either of these if you wan tto

jovial root
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hm ok

light ridge
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i noticed you have two status curing moves on the fairies

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there isnt that much status in sm because tapu fini kinda rules the tier

jovial root
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oh i didnt realize

light ridge
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like there arent wisps or anything flying around, and you can block amoonguss with whimsi if you need to

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and you also threaten to murder it with psychic

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with 2 mons

jovial root
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Alright

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thanks

dry sinew
halcyon pantherBOT
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brittle spade
dry sinew
earnest junco
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Murkrow + hydrei is pretty redundant

jovial root
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jovial root
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Rain team

dire flint
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Sitrus berry seems better than metal coat on gholdengo

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Rapid spin seems suboptimal on tsareena your team is very fast paced

jovial root
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i like metal coat, makes up for ev investment

jovial root
dire flint
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I realize that but rapid spin is passive and rain teams move at a fast pace

jovial root
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well

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its

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very useful

torpid moat
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use ice spinner, not crash

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tera grass tera blast bundle hits nothing of note

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freeze dry already hits basically everything grass does

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and tera grass for the mirror sucks too because you gain ice weakness

jovial root
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what do i replace for tera

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@torpid moat

earnest junco
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rain is all about getting and keeping a speed advantage, but thats hard to do as peli is pretty inconsistent as a tailwind setter (hence why most rain teams run it alongside another tailwind user like murkrow or iron jugulis

jovial root
#

ooohhh

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i replaced jugs for bundy

earnest junco
#

but if you don't want to use those, you can try a prio spam style rain team

jovial root
#

I just want bundle since its a rly good rain mon

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yk?

earnest junco
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hm

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well, try booster energy bundle

jovial root
#

i just didnt know what to replace

earnest junco
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and drop cheems for like

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band/scarf chomp

jovial root
#

I replaced chomp for cheems

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LUL

earnest junco
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it also justifies the tera grass bundle

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and improves the iron hands mu

jovial root
#

i see

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it also gives me an electric immunity

earnest junco
jovial root
#

oop

earnest junco
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i know i said band chomp but

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this works too

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stealth rock is a very good move

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if you want to try like

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priority stuff

jovial root
#

ooh

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how'd you do

earnest junco
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well i won the game i used this in

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also palafin should be wave crash

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over zen headbutt

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it used to be zen for iron hands

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but then i realized it actually sucks and wave crash in rain is stronger

jovial root
#

LUL

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ill try it

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c]

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why does cheems have goggles

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@earnest junco

earnest junco
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Amoonguss

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Is broken

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And sash didnt really exist at the time bc

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Glimmora

jovial root
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i have never been spored by amoonguss

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sash has saved my ass like

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50 times

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brittle spade
#

Clodsire is sadly bad in doubles

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Unless you're running curse body press

edgy solar
#

Thanks

fickle olive
dawn fox
torpid moat
#

you're very very weak to ting lu and great tusk

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both threaten most of your stuff while tanking pretty well, especially with tera

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I'd definitely make the drag tera dragon btw

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or poison

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if you're gonna go for adapt may as well go all in

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lilligant is definitely an option over drag or gambit slot though

torpid moat
#

if you want a fastmode option try scarf chi yu

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and great tusk would be helpful over murkrow, helps a lot by spinning away sr for your 3 weaks and just being a good bulky attacker that works in and out of room

dawn fox
#

ok cool

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ill switch out murkrow

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for great tusk

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i was just using murkow when the trick room setter dies

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what set should i use for great tusk

torpid moat
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try the av set from smogdex

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you can pretty much grab it wholesale

dawn fox
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ok cool

torpid moat
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make sure you have ice spinner on it

dawn fox
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yep it sure does

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dawn fox
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anything else?

remote edge
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ok.

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thank u chatot

torpid moat
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tusk doesn't need to be max speed here

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you can just be ada and use spin if you need to go faster

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amoong probably wants pollen puff and leaf storm on there

dawn fox
#

alr

torpid moat
#

maybe solarbeam instead

dawn fox
#

what do i replace with pollen puff

torpid moat
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idt clear smog hits many relevant things for you here

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and leaf storm over energy ball

dawn fox
#

alr

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do i replace spore

torpid moat
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never

dawn fox
#

alr

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guess im not adding pollen puff

torpid moat
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what's your set rn

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rp/spore/leaf storm/puff?

dawn fox
#

Amoonguss @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Clear Smog
  • Leaf Storm
  • Rage Powder
  • Spore
torpid moat
#

yeah you don't really need clear smog

dawn fox
#

alr

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ill replace it with puff

torpid moat
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scarf the chi yu imo

dawn fox
#

ok

torpid moat
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yeah that's it for me

dawn fox
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alr thanks

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ill test it out now

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btw what should i replace protect with on chi yu

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seems kinda useless since its scarfed

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psyhcic it is

night edge
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i think

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max speed tusk for dhengo

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is fine

dawn fox
#

trick room

night edge
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you have one TR setter

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this isn't a full TR team

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and Gholdhengo is one of the strongest threats to slow teams that aren't in TR

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being able to maintain an aggressive position against it out of TR is easily preferable, when getting TR requires more agency

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and work

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scarf chiyu runs like

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heat wave snarl dark pulse overheat / flamethrower

jovial root
#

@light ridge

light ridge
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this looks good

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👍

dawn fox
#

i guess ill change it back to fast great tusk

chilly vault
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brittle spade
#

if you're looking to improve the team, ditto and dragapult should go

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tailwind also doesn't go too well with garganacl+sylveon

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so either keep murkrow, draga, maushold, get rid of sylveon, take off iron defense from garg and run wide guard stealth rocks

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or get rid of murkrow ditto and run a pkmn will trick room, like farigiraf

edgy solar
#

Where's the rate for Doubles non-OU?

remote edge
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you can do it here if its still Smogon Doubles

edgy solar
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Thanks

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jovial root
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Home team

remote edge
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?????

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why would that be rateable

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don't post stuff like this here

jovial root
#

oh

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Im sorry

edgy solar
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@remote edge can you rate my UU and Ubers teams?

torpid moat
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clod as well

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sciz is in duu as well, you have a lot of trouble with it

torpid moat
magic magnet
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edgy solar
#

What exactly should i give Vaporeon? Ice Beam instead of Substitute?

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And who should I replace with a Fire-type to counter Scizor? Gardevoir or Weavile?

torpid moat
#

this is the duu thread

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I'd say a lot of the mon choice like vape is weak already

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clod as well will just sit there passively

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skeledirge is the go-to fire

edgy solar
#

Thanks
I wanted an Eeveelution but I will change that

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How good is Espeon?

torpid moat
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also not good

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garde isn't really either

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sylv is the best one but I think it's dou

edgy solar
#

Yeah

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So better get Espathra

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I can see if Sylveon could fit on my DOU team

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I will*

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How is Tatsugirl DUbers if Dondozo is DNU?

magic magnet
torpid moat
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because dozo sucks without tatsu

torpid moat
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haban seems unnecessary on hydrei

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you'll instalose to tera normal hariyama but it's not too too common

edgy solar
torpid moat
#

why double boots

edgy solar
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Sometimes, I just pick what the official analysis says

torpid moat
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but is it an analysis from a singles format?

edgy solar
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Doubles for Salamence

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There isn't always a Doubles analysis

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Wait no.

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Neither has a Doubles analysis

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No Doubles

torpid moat
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Salamence is a tailwind intim mon in duu

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yeah don't use those

edgy solar
#

Do I give it Leftovers?

torpid moat
#

in general for doubles if you're in doubt put sitrus berry

edgy solar
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I wish they would add more Doubles analysis, else some of us will be lost

torpid moat
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there are sets in the sample teams

edgy solar
#

Thanks

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Where can I find sample teams for Doubles?

torpid moat
#

in the thread I linked

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and the forum too

magic magnet
#

and haban

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helped me

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from dragapults

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trick room on cat is for when I run meowscarada and maushold lead and opp uses tailwind

edgy solar
#

Which set do I choose for Scizor, the one on the thread or the official one?

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And sorry if I am being a bother

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Gonna use the Scizor sample from the thread

torpid moat
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the thread one

torpid moat
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it looks like you're at least partially semiroom

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also I don't really respect maus without follow me

edgy solar
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jovial root
#

SS Dubers

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Tr team

earnest junco
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This is

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Ss dubers

jovial root
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I thought

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this was just

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You know

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Look im not that smart

earnest junco
#

Well regardless

jovial root
#

I thought this was just doubles for every gen i apologize

earnest junco
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You have one yveltal check

jovial root
#

Im sorry

earnest junco
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And also can’t really

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Deal with kyogre at all

jovial root
#

i have energy ball magearna

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& seed bomb caly

tight spire
jovial root
#

OH

#

Look ,

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Dont look.

tight spire
#

<:|

jovial root
#

im sorry

edgy solar
brittle spade
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Your team already has little support and little synergy and that's not something Sylveon can live with

magic magnet
torpid moat
#

that's a bad way to conceptualize teams usually

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there's just a lot of frailty here and the parts don't work too well together

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tailroom is indeed a thing but it wouldn't run meow and maus

elder patrol
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@eternal valley

eternal valley
#

Thanks

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eternal valley
# brittle spade Wtf is a gym league team

It's where the staff of some certain servers become gym leaders and the server members try to beat them using competive pokemon, there are added rules and illegal Mons to use

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Some of the leaders use singles and others doubles, they get to choose 3-4 Mons of their typing, 2-3 for tera types, no legends, no mythical, no paradox mons

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But that's just the server I'm a gym leader

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Idk about the other ones like the Pokemon Center discord

brittle spade
eternal valley
#

Legends mythicals paradox mons genned Mons that are obviously hacked in

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And anything that's on the ou/vgc/DOU ban list

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And the obvious ones that aren't in the game

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I'm sorry if that's a lot to unpack

brittle spade
#

Get rid of cloyster zoroak

eternal valley
#

Alr

brittle spade
#

Waiy

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Wait

#

Let me just send you a better list

eternal valley
#

What you thinking?

#

Wdym better list?

brittle spade
#

I mean an improved team

eternal valley
#

Hmm

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I'm inexperienced in competive but had a bit of advice from others in the seever

brittle spade
eternal valley
brittle spade
#

If you're afraid you're gonna lack dmg you can run specs over scarf

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Or put something like uh

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Specs Greninja

eternal valley
#

Good thing I have choice items

brittle spade
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Nah rotom better

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Specs or scarf rotom

eternal valley
#

You think I could run frost rotom?

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Or no

queen willow
eternal valley
#

I have heard other rotom was vital except fan

queen willow
#

No lol

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Only wash is like fine and heat has a "niche"

brittle spade
eternal valley
#

I have been lucky with focus blast last season and I can do it again with blizzard without hail

brittle spade
#

but you have hail

eternal valley
#

Even with hail

brittle spade
brittle spade
brittle spade
queen willow
#

I know av is better i just

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Really wanted leech seed

brittle spade
#

i think you run band palafin with rabsca

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you want it to wave crash die

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you rez it

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and do it again

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it's the whole point

queen willow
#

I did that team structure before so i wanted to try this

brittle spade
#

you can keep the ghold spread for specs if you really want your specific team structure

brittle spade
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jovial root
#

Gen 6 dou

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Left empty spaces because i don't know what to put there

elder patrol
#

@tight spire

tight spire
#

Ima ratio the bunny with perish song

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Thats not how we ran it

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Heck dewgong is better for perish trap here

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Theres a vgv 14 team with it

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Uh also dont know about the whole automize ageislash with speed evs

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The whole point of aegis is to go last so u dont get ohkod in sword form

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In the past players ran it at level 99 for this reason

jovial root
#

oh

jovial root
#

oh yeah it has more bulk

tight spire
#

and fake out

jovial root
#

DAMN

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swap fake tears for protect prob

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@tight spire ^^

tight spire
#

well now it's actually a more coherent perish trap team

#

so thats an improvement

jovial root
#

alright

tight spire
#

but uh

#

u should give gengar a 4th move

jovial root
#

its not there

#

because

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im wondering what it should be

tight spire
#

well Shadow ball IG if you want to hit other ghost types that can get out of shadow tag

jovial root
#

what about EVS on dewgong

tight spire
#

idk, it's a 2014 VGC set I'm thinking of, the evs are lost to time, but I uh IG do like bulky

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earnest junco
#

and unless this is for 2v2

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you are missing 4/6 members

#

other than that though, oricorio is very bad in sv

#

its stats are just not good enough and the activation conditions limit your options for supporting it, because you need two setup mons on the field at the same time in exchange for having oricorio boosted, which is still not very good by sv standards even with one or two quiver dances

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i would recommend just using samples tbh

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and for future reference use comp general for completed teams

jovial root
torpid moat
#

I recommend not using perish

jovial root
#

:<"

#

why

#

@torpid moat

torpid moat
#

main reason is that it's not good

#

but also that it teaches bad habits in regards to playing because it's very formulaic

tight spire
#

I bet you could totally cheese at least one tourney game with perish trap at least

jovial root
#

What should i play then?

torpid moat
#

just take any of the samples

frozen hatch
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torpid moat
#

stuff like choice specs nasty plot, a dragon dance hydreigon whose only physical move is u turn

frozen hatch
#

I've only practiced with it a little bit, but I'll try to adapt my team a little and practice with it some more

torpid moat
#

ok, in that case it's just inexperience, no worries

#

what were you going for with the team?

torpid moat
#

or get ideas from

#

if you're going for a tailwind offense style

jovial root
#

ss hyper offense

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(at least i think)

jovial root
#

updated

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earnest junco
#

I would say like

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Drop urshi for specs fini

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And do like naganadel/heatran over dragapult

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I would also do like

queen willow
#

i think thats the exact suggestion actuarily gave in doucord lmao

earnest junco
#

Band gene

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Or av

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Instead of sg

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Mainly because on whims offense i like the idea of having decently strong espeed to clean up after tailwind is over

#

Av gene specifically also improves the tr matchup marginally bc it can take more hits, but something you kinda just have to accept with whims offense is semiroom is going to be a problem

queen willow
#

something else you can consider is dropping blaze kick for espeed on sg gene but av or band is prob more consistent

earnest junco
#

Also if you’re gonna do cc zera

#

You could go with a more offensive set and then drop gapdos too

#

For like

#

Celesteela

#

Idk

queen willow
#

nah i think u just simply

#

snarl/knock over cc

earnest junco
#

Like, this looks pretty decent

#

Maybe run psychic lando here

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And fake tears > helping hand

#

Naga + fini is slightly awkward but statistically your opponent will probably have a rillaboom

#

Which makes it less awkward and usually something you can play around

jovial root
#

oh yeah thats the updated one

#

nvm

earnest junco
#

i think you want band

#

on whims offense

#

sg gene needs a lot more support to work

jovial root
#

also

#

idk if you saw

#

i did like a whole thing

image.png
#

which im proud of

#

im learning how to teambuild :D

#

so like

earnest junco
#

yeah doing visualizers like this is a good way to like

#

learn how matchups work

jovial root
#

i kinda wanna not change my team much

#

but if i have to thats alr

earnest junco
#

well i think you can keep more of the team intact

jovial root
#

im fine with replacing draga, i just wanted a fast mon

earnest junco
#

but you would need to replace whims

jovial root
#

thats okay

earnest junco
#

you could try like

#

whims -> rilla, pult -> naganadel, and urshi -> zygarde

#

replacing urshi may not be necessary but

#

using zyg in the urshi slot gives you a more playable psyspam matchup

#

and zygarde loves being paired with genesect

jovial root
#

what is psyspam

earnest junco
#

necrozma/lele/pheromosa/naga/heatran/amoonguss

#

is the most common variant

jovial root
#

the only thing that outspeeds my mons there is phero and naga

earnest junco
#

yeah but

#

you struggle against the max hp tr necrozma variant

jovial root
#

ahh

earnest junco
#

zygarde is bulky enough that it can afford to take some hits from necrozma

#

and psyspam generally struggles to deal with strong ground types + speed control

jovial root
#

okay

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thank you

#

wait

#

whst does aura break do

#

wut

earnest junco
#

its literally useless

queen willow
#

it nullifies fairy aura and dark aura

#

which

#

dont exist in dou

jovial root
#

oh

earnest junco
#

zygarde basically doesnt have an ability

jovial root
#

so just use power construct

earnest junco
#

no

#

its banned

jovial root
#

oh

#

LMAO

earnest junco
#

thousand arrows is broken though

#

so zyg is fine even without an ability

jovial root
#

wait

#

isnt thousand waves

#

stag

earnest junco
#

they could've at least given it pressure or something though

#

well yes but

#

it cant hit flying types

jovial root
#

o

earnest junco
#

waves is a very good move though

#

its cool with sg gene bc you can like

jovial root
#

isnt subdance a popular set

earnest junco
#

thousand waves as they switch into their gene check

#

to just remove it

#

sub ddance is its second set

#

its not as good as band though

queen willow
#

zyg basically has 2.5 moves

earnest junco
#

imo

queen willow
#

tarrows if they have a ground immune

#

twaves if they dont have a ground immune

earnest junco
#

and then espeed sometimes

queen willow
#

and in the off case you need to espeed something faster

earnest junco
#

it basically never clicks anything else

#

i like skitter smack but ive only ever actually clicked it maybe once

queen willow
#

skitter is a meme

#

it doesnt even ohko

#

but like

#

your other options are superpower toxic and glare

jovial root
#

is core enforcer good?

queen willow
#

no

earnest junco
#

no

queen willow
#

its a special attack

earnest junco
#

its so bad

queen willow
#

and zygarde wants to attack before

earnest junco
#

even if zyg was a special attacker

queen willow
#

so its terrible

earnest junco
#

it would just

#

click draco

jovial root
#

is it just for the turn

#

or

earnest junco
#

i don't even know

#

i think its until they switch

jovial root
#

max atk max spe?

queen willow
#

it is supressed until they switch

#

one funny thing about core enforcer is

#

ability suppression carries over with baton pass