[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[dapper imp]

Slightly higher bulk and extra speed in a pinch look useful

[quick bluff]

*would also suggest going max def on this skarm set, don't need speed on ww skarm

( @dapper imp )

[lost sandal]

meow is one of the best knockers

(STAB)

[quick bluff]

i think meow is better here but if you want to test with pon you could

[dapper imp]

Aight

[spiral fable]

yeah ogerpon is perfectly fine

gives your team an option of speed control which is real nice

[dapper imp]

Yea, can also beat Ogerpon w after chip

Also why I wanna consider it

[kind trail]

https://pokepast.es/3a6deb820f1726d6

Would love thoughts on this team! Having trouble climbing past the 1700s with it:

Dragapult (Tera Fire) / Gouging Fire (Burning Bulwark tech) core to wear down each other's checks

Rillaboom for priority / weakening ground / longevity on the dragon dancers

Choice Specs Raging Bolt for wallbreaker under sun

Scarf Enamorus for obligatory Zama check

Torkoal for sun

Most often loses to random HO tera that I wasn't expecting

[spiral fable]

this is sun with... not a lot of sun abusers lol

pult really just doens't fit on sun, you already have an extreely powerful ddancer in gouging

[spiral fable]

i would drop rillaboom, you already have enough breakers as is, instead run hlilligant to have a powerful braeker + speed control + healing wish mon

drop enamorus for hatterene, handles the hazards that this team otherwise struggles with + gives you a quick pivot out with eject button

just go full offense with gouging, drop burning for morning sun it gives you better longevity

drop dpult, i would recommend running tusk as a backup hazard remover + you can run the bluk up set to have a gmabit check, but other options are specs wake with booster speed, or gambit to have an out-of-sun cleaner, or even iron moth

[kind trail]

thank you!! ya this originally wasn't a sun team (had glimmora instead of torkoal heh among a few other swaps) but i ended up trying out torkoal for the same stealth rock / spin role compression. but better to full send! i like gambit and hatterene!

[grim hill]

Please use Pokepaste as outlined in #1024432517077540904

[dapper imp]

how is sinistcha in bulky hazard stack?

i honestly might use him over gholdengo because my team isnt that scared of corv and max def sinistcha can actually check tusk and treads

[spiral fable]

Pretty good

This is a question for #comp-general tho

[dapper imp]

alright

[dapper imp]

https://pokepast.es/4c7078f587e66f62

switched ting lu to garg to improve my matchup against corv and ace but now im a little concerned about my matchup vs gold and darkrai

[spiral fable]

go back

actually didnt i already rate your team

[dapper imp]

Yea but I changed a few things is that ok

[dapper imp]

U mean go back to what I used before?

[spiral fable]

how is your mu against corv poor with sinistcha

also why do you have dobule bird with no set on corv

[dapper imp]

I think corv uses brave bird sometimes

Oh

[spiral fable]

reminder to please test your teams before you send them here

[dapper imp]

I didn’t notice lol

Ok

Corv should be g king

Yea I did test

I just ask to see if there any holes I can patch up

[spiral fable]

anyways yeah i would go back

[dapper imp]

Alright

[spiral fable]

if you want a better mu against ace you can slot in gliscor over ting lu

[dapper imp]

Max def or max sp def?

I’ll switch Garg with ting Lu and keep cha btw

[spiral fable]

spdef

if its replacing ting lu, spdef

cha is fine thouhg your team kinda lacks offense so you might want to look into slotting a breaker on

[tropic ice]

https://pokepast.es/c34b2eab5cd487db

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[patent notch]

https://pokepast.es/78a0c740bd6813bd

[spiral fable]

unfortuantely this team is unviable, none of these sets are viable and shroomish + heracross are both unviable in ou

you seem new to the tier, so i would recommend checking out the sample teams first and laddering with them to get a good grasp of the metagame: you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

if you want a general overview of the best mons in the tier, you can also check out the viability rankings, here

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread.3734134/

[patent notch]

nah bro Im 4-0 with this so far shroomish is unkillable with eviolite + poison heal + leech seed, its a gimmick team but it works pretty well

just wanted to share it cause its kinda funny

[spiral fable]

if you do not want to take the advice of the raters here i do not understand why you came here to this channel

if you wanted to showcase a funny team, either post it in #comp-general or the forums

[patent notch]

mb bro didnt realize that

[spiral fable]

This channel is for people seeking to improve their teams, which you are clearly not

[patent notch]

thanks

[fossil marten]

https://pokepast.es/8cfd275319070b08

[real willow]

ftr this is a sample team

I pointed them to this channel before realizing it was a sample

they're specifically asking how they can deal with sinistcha

[spiral fable]

go back to comp gen lol

[fossil marten]

I am new to this game and learning all types of teams.

[reef bay]

A balance team build around boots darkrai, it performs pretty well on ladder but i still want some advice to further improve it

https://pokepast.es/834daa0d35e43ab1

[brave turtle]

imo knock on gliscor is kind of useless since you only have rocks on your team, I think a bulky swords dance gliscor set would be a bit better just so you have a little bit more offensive presence

also i’m not sure how much cinderace does in a usual matchup but from my experience not much. if you put like air balloon on kingambit then u can replace cinderace with another boots mon like dual status pult or maybe even fat gouging

also if u end up keeping knock gliscor i think spikes holds a little more value over rocks

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/bc3ed9d0f170dd04
evs are intentional

deoxys KO's bulky gambit set with that evs, dengo tanks sucker punch from king

[orchid nacelle]

I think body press Zama wants max defense evs

[lost sandal]

doesnt

[orchid nacelle]

Alr

I mean a immediate 493.5 with ability sounds hud

Gud

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/1a7bd146e0034908
https://pokepast.es/b9c7b08c06eb9c8f
should i use molt or zap, and also is this decent?

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/78c603cb26862ee3

could also run this

[dull plume]

Yeah, but you’d gain more by being able to outspeed mons

[orchid nacelle]

Yea

[spiral fable]

Please do not give advice if you are not experienced in the tier

[spiral fable]

Quaquaval sucks

Don’t use it

This is a decent bulky offense team but some mons don’t really fit here

Not the biggest fan of treads but it’s aight here, you probably want lefties to have more sustain

I would swap out Quaval for Zamazenta IDBP, your matchup into dark types is poor

Run the waterpon variation

You could actually swap kyurem’s set to the nmi/boots ddance version if you want

[fickle lagoon]

hello

im really struggling on the ladder, i have been playing this tier for like 6 months now but this is my first pokemon game

https://pokepast.es/f483763fe19fd566

[viral sable]

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[fickle lagoon]

i feel like im missing some ice coverage, and i struggle with steel types and stall, but its probably a skill issue

if anyone has some advice for my team i would really apreciate it

[dusky kindle]

Your team could become more offensive or more defensive, either way would probably be better

[fickle lagoon]

im a jack of all trades and master of none? haha

[dusky kindle]

For offensive change moltres for cinderace and add ice spinner instead of rapid spin on treads

[fickle lagoon]

i see

i feel like i struggle to hit steel/flying types alot

and all those unkillable mons

[dusky kindle]

Like skarmory/corviknight?

[fickle lagoon]

yes

also clodsire and the likes

[dusky kindle]

Against defense you often want to spam encore

I think you should use a mixed set on valiant with knock off over destiny bond

[fickle lagoon]

oh, i used to have calm mind, shadow ball, encore and moonblast

tera ghost

that destroyed draginite

[dusky kindle]

Yeah I don't know if you need all that

You can keep tera ghost if you like

[fickle lagoon]

😅

so knock of over destiny bond then

[dusky kindle]

Yeah

[fickle lagoon]

i feel like the birds will still kill me on one hit

[dusky kindle]

Knocking off items will help a ton vs defensive teams

[fickle lagoon]

with a brave bird

or something

[dusky kindle]

They can but often they won't have that or won't click it cause they will want to recover

If they come in to tank a hit they will likely roost

You can switch to ogerpon and encore then set up

Ogerpon can also break through with repeated ivy cudgels

[fickle lagoon]

thats a good idea, i should probably bait them with a mon thats not weak to brave bird, or else if they actually click it on my switch in, ogrepon will also be dead

[dusky kindle]

If you prefer to play more defensive you can make some other changes instead

[fickle lagoon]

im all ears!

[dusky kindle]

Like defensive great tusk instead of treads to start

[fickle lagoon]

mmm i used to have one kind of

like this

https://pokepast.es/49aafffc1cd0cedc

[dusky kindle]

Yeah not bad change rocks for ice spinner

And then use like rocks clefable instead of valiant

Or tinkaton

[fickle lagoon]

change iron valiant?

are you saying my team is too offensive?

[dusky kindle]

It's too in the middle

[fickle lagoon]

i see

i imagine its not a balanced team either right?

archetype balance i mean

[dusky kindle]

If you want to play defensively by like tanking hits and pivoting then you need to be a little more defensive

That would be balance yes

Since in balance you are tanking a lot of hits you need a strong defensive core

[fickle lagoon]

aaah

thanks!

i also have this team that i like

https://pokepast.es/c01829f334bc3369

the idea is to bait with metagross, trick a choice scarf into a super effective move, like ghost, fire or ground

and then switch into a pokemon thats inmune to that

and set up

and if it doesnt work, ol reliable kingambit

[dusky kindle]

Hmm

I mean it sounds and looks a lot like you're trying to win 4v6

And with some pretty mid mons as well

So I wish you good luck with that 😄

[fickle lagoon]

hahahah

thanks

yeah im not so sure about strategies, i see people making entire rain teams, and i dont get how the come up with coverage

i imagine is, rain, sun, bulky, hyper offense, balanced

and thats it?

[dusky kindle]

Rain and sun are usually hyper offense variations

Sticky web too

[fickle lagoon]

ahh that makes sense

what about a rain bluky team? you invest in bulk because the rain itself will already give you a boost to water attacks and thunder

[dusky kindle]

It's hard to define the team styles by sight cause it's more about how they are played, hyper offense being very little switching and just hammer til you win

Offense being similar but often using pivots or double switches to keep up the pressure

Bulky offense is often slower and can live hits and hit back harder

[fickle lagoon]

needless to be said but i have never not died by double switching lmao

ill take your advices and improve my team, thank you very much for your time!

[dusky kindle]

No problem

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/ccba4230431b69fa

[junior harness]

Bros missing gholdengo evs

[dense gull]

Woopsies

Its supposed to be 60 EVs in speed

[dense gull]

Fixed it

[tropic ice]

https://pokepast.es/6c4e55733b0301bb Double specs for breakers plays a bit awkwardly/prediction reliant at times, but the defensive core provides some pretty decent pivoting in and out

[junior harness]

Don’t dragapult better than latios

Faster

And better offensive typing

[tropic ice]

not sure, I'll have to try it

[junior harness]

It’s top tier OU while latios is UU, that should be enough.

[brave turtle]

lati and pult play different roles so you cant really compare

[junior harness]

Offensive dragon type

[brave turtle]

specs pult is a cleaner/revenge killer while lati is a specs breaker

[junior harness]

However pult can kill darkrai with Draco before dark pulse comes

While latios isn’t as fast as before

110 speed is outsped by:

Roaring moon

Darkrai

Iron valiant

[brave turtle]

lati doesn’t want to outspeed and kill

[junior harness]

Zamazenta but that thing isn’t as big of a threat but banded crunch still does a lot.

And is also food for kingambit

Latios isn’t great at all

Consider something else other than latios as a breaker

It also faces competition from other offensive special dragons

Like raging bolt.

There is a good reason this thing is ranked UU

[brave turtle]

the environment in ou isn’t the best for lati which i agree but pult isnt a quick replacement imo

[junior harness]

It’s the closest thing to latios

That is OU

[tropic ice]

I think specs pult can probably slot in fairly cleanly

[brave turtle]

that’s not how you choose a mon lol you look for similar roles

[spiral fable]

No it really is

[junior harness]

The better player has spoken.

Specs dragapult is just better

And yes, it is similar roles

[spiral fable]

The only real advantages latios has is potentially stronger breaking through luster purge, and better matchup into Pex and clod

But in exchange you have worse speed, worse typing, struggle more into dark types

[junior harness]

But pex is UU, and clod doesn’t have very high usage.

[brave turtle]

i would have to disagree but that’s just my opinion that pult doesn’t have the same role as a breaker like lati

[junior harness]

And it doesn’t have the same set diversity as dragapult

[spiral fable]

objectively, specs putl is a breaker lol

[brave turtle]

spatk is not particularly exciting the specs just helps you pick up kos on weakened threats and its speed control/revenge killing is the selling point imo

the power isn’t that great honestly

[spiral fable]

"Dragapult fits well on offensive teams due to its excellent ability to break down walls such as Toxapex, Ting-Lu, and Clodsire. "
line from its analysis

Dragapult is an amazing source of immediate power due to its near unresisted STAB combination, solid Special Attack, and excellent Speed tier, which outspeeds the majority of the unboosted metagame except Deoxys-S.

[junior harness]

It is still high since it can still oneshot threats like non AV samurott

[spiral fable]

any specs/banded mon is a breaker, that's kinda the point

anyways dont run double specs

this team is kinda weird this feels like bulky offense but then corv is just... kinda there

[tropic ice]

like tusk and av crown?

[spiral fable]

?

nah i would drop latios for boots pult you can keep specs crown he's cool

[tropic ice]

I was mainly just reviewing my hazard removal options and felt sad for a second

[spiral fable]

see the fun thing about that is stack enough boots and it doesnt matter anyways

[tropic ice]

specs crown feels so good to use, honestly

[spiral fable]

make it fast taunt lando, drop corv for a sweeper like gambit or perhaps darkrai

bang you hvae another bulky offense team

all roads lead to bulky offense

[tropic ice]

just like that, huh?

[spiral fable]

yep

[brave turtle]

lati does all that but better tho. pults only merit is speed and ou rank, and speed isnt necessary for the role of breaker

[spiral fable]

...yes it is

look, respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about

[junior harness]

LMAO, speed is very important for a breaker wdym

Rampardos theorem

[spiral fable]

if you're getting outsped by a majority of offensive threats when the metagame leans offense right now, you better have some damn good traits to justify it

[junior harness]

And that extra power does not justify

[spiral fable]

Kyurem is a devastating force of nature with its stab coverage, Gholdengo has an amazing ability and a deep movepool + very useful typing, ursaluna is unwallable, kingambit and raging bolt both have priority + solid typings

And what does Latios have? A mid typing, decent stab combo but blanks into one of the most common types in the tier, mid speed tier, and not much else

[junior harness]

It also gets owned by the most used mon in the tier with no real way to beat it outside of some Tera. Drag at least has wisp

[spiral fable]

or aura sphere, but that blanks into anything that isn't said mon

at least pult can chip with shadow ball

[native smelt]

https://pokepast.es/ff2d779bed66a6cc
anyone wanna tell me who rounds out the team, and who to replace IF needed (havent tested yet)

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

we only rate finished teams

[native smelt]

I was looking for advice really not a rating

[spiral fable]

you should probably take this to #comp-general

[native smelt]

Aight

Can I send pokepastes there?

[junior harness]

Complete teams with serious intent yes

[brave turtle]

my justification is that the goal is not to contest fast threats, but to beat common fat like garg or ting and such. and that’s my argument, that the two roles are different. specs pult is meant to have enough power to beat the semi bulky offensive mons, while lati does much better into thing pult blanks into

[spiral fable]

ok how do you beat ting

[brave turtle]

trick specs

levitate mean no eq

unlike pult which can’t do a thing

[spiral fable]

ruination still smacks you hard and now you're basically just fodder

[brave turtle]

also a long term liability and potential setup fodder for future mons

[spiral fable]

also, pult already does fine into fat like garg and ting, while also performing much better into offense

[brave turtle]

in contrast pult can’t do anything unless u predict w uturn

and utility wisp set again is a completely different role

[spiral fable]

pult can smash garg hard with draco and chip ting lu down as well, then not have to worry about much retaliation

there's a reason latios is uu, and pult is ou

and it's not jst "people have not explored latios in ou"

also this team doesnt need a balance breaker it has like 20

crown, gouging, potentially kyurem, mixed pult

[junior harness]

Bruva post elo first

[native smelt]

Entertaining...

[junior harness]

Latios isn’t good in OU

[brave turtle]

yea i get that im just saying each has their respective roles and isn’t a quick replace mon

[spiral fable]

no it really is

it really, really is

maybe if this team had like 0 breakers i would consider latios over pult, but at that point you've got a lot more flaws with your team than "which specs mon are you running"

[junior harness]

It really is the same roles

Like fayawizard

[spiral fable]

ok this convo is going downhill fast

latios has very litle traits that are desirable over dragapult and this team needs none of them therefore pult is a much better pick than latios in every way (and specs pult shouldnt be here in teh first place anyways), this team has been rated and if you want to continue the conversatoin take it to #comp-general

[native smelt]

https://pokepast.es/0e687ee5b7fa5f60
done the team, also might be willing to replace it with a mon that can counter water types since i dont have answers to those

[spiral fable]

why are you obssesed with putting pivots on ho man

drop primarina

[native smelt]

ogerpon then?

Honestly I knew oger would be better for the team I just wanted a pivot out of prima

Whatever

[junior harness]

https://pokepast.es/4660d7269fdd59df

yes, I know im missing hazards but also i have nothing for moltres as well. Is this still salvagable? or am i eternally gonna get cooked by moltres?

also low ladder bullshit is ruining my day

maybe send me some shitproof teams

[lost sandal]

any reason particularly?
https://pokepast.es/bc3ed9d0f170dd04 and what about this team (i sent it earlier but just giving it a bump)

[tender pecan]

it blanks into so many physical walls

I can attest as someone who has used quaquaval

generally speaking it has awful 4mss to the level where depending on what you drop you just lose hard into a really common MU

its not even that its movepool is bad but its stats are just weird

its good in UU tho so try it there

[tender pecan]

this is fine but I'd reccomend knock over ice beam on deo to get rid of boots on some mons so rocks can do damage

[lost sandal]

okay ty

[lost sandal]

oh okay

i was running ice beam for the dragooner

[tender pecan]

this is lead deo

so you may not run into it

your goal is to get up rocks and then make a bit of progress against whatever

like superpower into a hisuian samurott or knock into a boots mon

[lost sandal]

its also pretty good for the gliscor yk

and lando

but aight ima try knock

evs all good?

[tender pecan]

they look fine

I'd make tusk more offensive but thats it

[ocean pumice]

https://pokepast.es/3dd4bf981233f5b7 clef and darkrai were random picks without much thought put into them feel free to suggest a replacement

[viral sable]

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[ocean pumice]

i also have this kyurem team https://pokepast.es/4e5fcb7d99e3b94c

i like it a lot it looks pretty solid but maybe theres smth to be improved

[gleaming edge]

volc is banned

[fierce basin]

Natdex is in a different section

This is for gen9ou

[silk hamlet]

On spikestack i like knock + wisp better than np + ice

On darkrai

Uh other than that u dont have a fairy check at all

Fit a ghold or moltres somewhere

[round kernel]

https://pokepast.es/80d09d33c74bc659

Send help 👍🏼

[ocean pumice]

u think i should just run spikes glisc and dump the hamu

im not a fan of bro

[ocean pumice]

maybe i could do np wisp?

currently darkrai is one of my best progress makers

[spiral fable]

glimmer gave their advice already, its up to you if you want to follow or not

[spiral fable]

this team just kinda seems all over the place, not really sure what zapdos or volcanion are doing here

if you want bulky offense, this team needs to lean a lot more offensive

if you want balance, this team needs to lean a lot more defensive

[round kernel]

Any tips can help

[spiral fable]

uhhh ok

lets say bulky offense

hm

the more i look at this the more i dont like this team

rmoon just doesn't really work on a bulky offense team its too boom or bust

i can't relaly think of a clean way to fix this team without entirely revamping it so ill just go over what's wrong with these mons

scarf enamorus is a very offensive mon which only really appears on bulky offense or hyper offense teams, but zapdos is a defensive mon that only appears on balance teams. similarly, ddance booster rmoon only really fits on extremely offensive bulky offense/hyper offense teams, due to its proto-dependant nature. However, volcanion only really fits on balance teams (and even then its extremely niche)

also tspikes kinda sucks there's a poison type on almost every team

ig you can try to pivot to hard hyper offense, and run dark spam hyper offense

[round kernel]

I see

[native smelt]

https://pokepast.es/b6594251658fc182
ngl this team kinda be losing to dnite might wanna get roaring moon sacked for dnite instead

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

why 4 attack darkrai on hyper offense

just run nasty plot

[native smelt]

dnite and tusk matchup is really ass rn

[silk hamlet]

Knock is needed to punish tusk and gambit and bliss and clod and ting lu so their turns arent "free" and theyll get chipped more by burns and spikes

But idrc i alrdy gave advice its ur choice to follow it

[ocean pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/393435165243867150/1276355646022746145/image.png?ex=66c93a53&is=66c7e8d3&hm=af946b863423cd5ed507d05c4e86c9c534381a03e0636454926baa1ae3c8a133&

This is what I ended up doing

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/86e126f28420c3b9
daily team submission #1

https://pokepast.es/d6145744bedeec12
daily team submission #2 :P

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/8d71655eea13977d
Sun team

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

Huh

[lost sandal]

uh?

why no gouging

[sly mauve]

is gouging good

[tender pecan]

Sun is a very specific playstyle rn and with the proliferation of so many protosynthesis mons in OU I'd reccomend using those

+eject button hatterene is nearly an auto-include on sun

[grave ginkgo]

https://pokepast.es/c19bbf1e2d229a3c
i tried making slither wing atleast viable

[tender pecan]

it helps with hazards as well as giving you a free once per game pivot into one of your sun sweepers

[sly mauve]

Oh

[tender pecan]

as the sun is only up for 8 turns, you don't rly have time to waste

as for the rest of the pokes here

well

Brute bonnet sucks, leafeon is also not good Heatran just plays too slowly for sun imo and while slither wing is fine, you have better options

drop em all imo

slap on something like banded roaring moon or banded gouging fire

[sly mauve]

My babies 😢 i think I'll replace leafeon though

[tender pecan]

as for special attackers you have raging bolt

who also appreciates the sun

also mons like Hisuian lilligant are good on sun

[sly mauve]

Yeah I can replace leafeon with liligant

[tender pecan]

but do be careful with lilligant since its very dependent on the sun staying up, without sun it becomes very mediocre

you can also run an attacker who doesn't rely as much on sun

just in case

as by playing sun you sorta lock yourself into offence

so you need to play quickly

[tender pecan]

you can wait for a rater but this looks ok

slither wing tho is very niche the main benefit of using it over pult as a wisp pivot is the ability to ohko darkrai with first impression, but generally pult is better, or even lokix who has tinted lens to beef up the damage output

you can try it tho

[orchid nacelle]

First impression is cool

[tender pecan]

it is cool

[orchid nacelle]

Have seen a lot of choice band lokix with that

[tender pecan]

yeah it does that in OU

in UU its usually boots since it doesn't need the damage as much

[orchid nacelle]

And the leechlife buff helps it

[grave ginkgo]

should I try this set?

Slither Wing @ Choice Band
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• First Impression
• U-turn
• Close Combat
• Dual Wingbeat

[tender pecan]

nah ur set is fine

its just that slither wing itself is a hard mon to justify using

[grave ginkgo]

im trying to make it atleast viable to use lol

[tender pecan]

tbh I'd wait for a rater

cause I've never tried using slither wing

ik its first impression pivot set thats about it

[grave ginkgo]

its the will o wisp that I like

i just realized my team is weak against defensive mons since i dont have a single spatker

[sly mauve]

Wait no

Different format

How do I delete

[orchid nacelle]

Is that trickroom doubles

[sly mauve]

national dex how do I delete

[fierce basin]

No it's monotype so it would go in the monotype rates section

[sly mauve]

No it's national dex

Thete we go

[fierce basin]

Theyre gonna tell you not to play monotype in national dex

[surreal zenith]

https://pokepast.es/825d42e26a5c09a3

Hello, how are you? I started playing very recently. This is the first team I've put together. I liked the result, but I believe it can be improved. What are your tips and opinions?

[grave ginkgo]

U could replace pecha for hex dragapult i think since u use pecha as an offensive-ish pivot and draga does that better

[lost sandal]

bump

[ocean pumice]

https://pokepast.es/32f6e5e3cfc9e3d6

[viral sable]

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[ocean pumice]

sinistcha hstack

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/51b101d436780525 sv ou

[lost sandal]

is this hazard stack

[rigid socket]

yeah i tried to make it that way

[lost sandal]

where is your knock off user

ur team is useless if ur opp has hd boots

u need to remove boots

[rigid socket]

yeah yeah just realized rn

i will make gliscor knock off by removing t spikes

[lost sandal]

not a reliable knocker

[rigid socket]

not reliable how

[lost sandal]

generally you run meow or a dark type as a knocker

but tbh u shouldnt listen to me and wait for others

[rigid socket]

ok

[tender pecan]

?????

gliscor is an excellent knock off user

its bulky can come in several times a game which allows it to press the button so many times

[lost sandal]

oh

i thought it was bad cuz most knockers are dark types

like meow weavile and stuff

[tender pecan]

not necessarily

its not always used for the stab

tusk runs knock off too, partially for air balloon gholdengo but also because knock is just such a good utility move

it can ruin walls which rely on boots like alolomola

Lando-T ran it in gens past on so many sets

[lost sandal]

im pretty sure tusk isnt in most hstack teams

[tender pecan]

ik but I'm giving you an example of a non dark type running knock

its a great coverage option+its amazing utility

[fierce basin]

The reason most knockers are dark type are because they can pass gliscor. Meowscarada has triple axel and weavile of course has ice moves to pass gliscor

[orchid nacelle]

Weavile chad

Snow usrs have my respect 🫡

Give ice more resistance so it can the best type

;-;

[rigid socket]

same reaction lmao

what do you think about the team though

[fierce basin]

At a glance, you are pretty weak to raging bolt since you have no ground type and rotom always lets it in. I wouldn't run rotom, and If you do idk why you'd go tera ground, rotom wash is only weak to grass and ground is also weak to grass. Something like poison would make more sense especially w levitate. But something like AV primarina over calm rotom would make even more sense, since you can at least threaten raging bolt and it's just a better mon into the meta overall. Would probably try to slot a tusk or Lando or smth to make it not as spooky. Also please do not run tera normal on zamazenta, you're better off flipping type matchups instead of picking a bad defensive type like normal. tera flying corv is also a pointless tera since you're already a bird and you have no bird moves to boost. Waterpon also looks quite spooky (and you have no hazards to chip it) but not as bad as bolt so I'd try to fix that matchup if you're gonna try to preserve this team. However imo, if you're a new player I think sample teams are always a good shout to help get a handle on the meta. I've actually been staring at this team for like 24 hours trying to figure out a way to fix it without telling you to refer to sample teams but I couldn't do it. Regardless, I hope this input helps, good luck and have fun. Sorry I can't give you an updated paste cause I'm on mobile

[rigid socket]

my first attempt at defensive hs

[tender pecan]

ur team looks alright, although you are dangerously weak to waterpon

its good against 4 of ur mons and of the remaining two only skarm can comfortably take it on

[rigid socket]

garg gli alola whats the 4th

[tender pecan]

oh sry 3

miscounted

but thats still not ideal

[rigid socket]

yeah ig i can remove alola

[tender pecan]

gholdengo can help slow it down as a defensive gholdengo should be able to take a hit from it

but thats not nearly enough

meow might be a good shout here, its faster and ivy cudgel threatens solid damage, just be careful its frailty

[rigid socket]

yeah ig do you have a more defensive answer to it

[tender pecan]

good joke! you can't

jokes aside, its stab combo is unresisted aside from the dragons, for whom it runs play rough, making it really annoying to answer defensively, skarm/corv is your best bet with rocky helmet chip, also keeping hazards up will help you deal with it as its especially vulnerable to those being unable to have boots

but as a result I'd say skarm should have brave bird

[orchid nacelle]

@tender pecan what do u think is the best snow abuser

[tender pecan]

it deals considerable damage to waterpon

[rigid socket]

ok yeah i guessed so as well just wanted to confirm

[tender pecan]

this is for #comp-general

[orchid nacelle]

Yea but say na

[rigid socket]

bc i wanted to make it more stallish

[orchid nacelle]

It won't hurt

[tender pecan]

thats fair, but I feel making sure you have at least a consistent way to threaten waterpon would be nice

oh yeah ghold can help with twave

so you can use that in a pinch, since waterpon almost never runs knock off anymore

[rigid socket]

yeah i knew i was weak to it so i tried to stop it to the best my ability i even considered water absorb clod

[tender pecan]

I say this is for comp gen cause you gotta be more specific, which tier

in sv ou? we don't rly have any beyond Kyurem

[rigid socket]

there isnt a snow setter in ou as well so

prob uu or somethin

[tender pecan]

eh slowking

and the occasional alo ninetales HO

[rigid socket]

oh chilly receptionist style set up ok i insta taught of snow warning lmao

[rigid socket]

would clod work btw

with p jab

[tender pecan]

I mean it could maybe work, assuming you don't switch it in on horn leech, but I'm personally not the biggest fan of water absorb clod

you can wait for a rater tho

[rigid socket]

ig

wait you arent you seemed so knowledgable

[tender pecan]

I am in fact not a rater lol

I just know a fair bit about this tier through trial and error

[rigid socket]

same

i know this isnt the place but if u are down we can run some game's

[orchid nacelle]

I'll tell u in the chat I am supposed to

[tender pecan]

maybe later, I'm gonna be pretty busy for the next hour and a half or so

[rigid socket]

k

cya later than

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/97242a5d99d8f6ca

Would it be feasible to run Scarf Enamorus over Valiant? Or is Valiant better?

[dapper imp]

https://pokepast.es/cbb2a4ebaaeeabc6

any suggestions on how this sun team can by improved?

[tender pecan]

I'd say maybe hisuian lilligant over venu, venu is usable on sun but lilligant has more damage output

[tender pecan]

this team is a bit confused, it looks like balance but then scizor and Iron Valiant are very out of place on it

scarf enam does work as a cleaner but the more pressing issue is you would want a spiker and also a breaker which you atm don't have beyond scizor, who is restricted to offence teams

[dapper imp]

That’s fair

[tender pecan]

this team as it stands is also very vulnerable to common breakers like Kyurem and waterpon, and is also very vulnerable to zamazenta

I'd wait for a rater but those are the things that jump out at me

[sly mauve]

Firefly pfp :D

[tender pecan]

till everything burns to ashes!

but yeah, hope my 2 cents of advise helped

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/af21be7db36af6f7
First team i made. How can i improve this?

[spiral fable]

This is the garganacl semi stall team

With very small set tweaks

And also you fucked up gliscor’s evs idk why

[sly mauve]

i swear i made it myself lol i didnt know this was an already used team

but ill adjust it

[spiral fable]

Your evs are exactly the same as the garganacl team’s evs

But aight

In the case this was a wild coincidence, here’s the Garg team for reference

https://pokepast.es/f02fc864de246b7f

[sly mauve]

i picked evs from pikanalytics lol

some i made myself

[sly mauve]

thx :D

[spiral fable]

I will warn this team is slightly outdated

But it should be still solid for low ladder

[sly mauve]

then im good since im like lowest elo possible lol

[spiral fable]

Some teams run anti stall cheese though so watch out

[sly mauve]

k thanks :)

[night flax]

https://pokepast.es/6459bfe0f4d1f8bf made some revisions to this team via previous messages and with my own testing of it]

[viral sable]

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[dapper imp]

how is the garganacl semi stall teama outdated already?

I think its only been like 2 months or so since it came out?

[spiral fable]

In those two months OLT happened

Which has forced a lot of new sets into the metagame

And mons

Also it was flawed from the beginning

[trail fossil]

https://pokepast.es/8ff6c912f4969a67

[dapper imp]

rip

how come lol

[dense gull]

Whats OLT

[dull plume]

Official Ladder Tournament

Big Smogon Tour

[dense gull]

Ah

Thank you kind person

[dull plume]

I try my best

[upbeat anchor]

https://pokepast.es/7aa049d76cfa4ff3

Tried building a rain team any thoughts?

[night flax]

id probably go barrasweda over floatzel tbh

[spiral fable]

Yeah skewda is the better floatzel

Other than that, Tera dragon/grass on Moltres to better check Waterpon and this is a mostly solid team

[spiral fable]

swap treads for lefties/eject button and volt switch over knock + defensive Tera like ghost or fairy, and drop thunder for calm mind on bolt

Might want to swap out waterpon for gambit but that’s preference

[upbeat anchor]

Alr ty

[night flax]

https://pokepast.es/20e52523a4ec9286 made a little more revisions (also question? would tinkaton be better than clef on this team?)

[native smelt]

https://pokepast.es/343a3085bcb62155
can someone help me with this team testing it on 1200 elo ladder rn it can employ decent offensive pressure but defensively it just blows also torkoal just dies too easily weirdly

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[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/86e126f28420c3b9
https://pokepast.es/d6145744bedeec12

[tender pecan]

why is gouging both booster and on a sun team

boots or choice band would do you more good tbh

banded gouging fire is a disgustingly powerful wallbreaker with stuff like raging fury/flare blitz

[surreal zenith]

Thank you very much for the points raised. I will definitely try out the sample teams.

[fierce basin]

No problem

[worthy compass]

https://pokepast.es/1c5997aa474d4712

[viral sable]

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[worthy compass]

rmt please, new to semi stall

[spiral fable]

just dont

its ass

(semi stall as a playstyle)

[spiral fable]

the issue with semi stall is that you have to drop essential stall pieces that the playstyle cannot function without

for example, this team is now 6-0ed by kingambit

this team is also 6-0ed by stored power/psyshock users that have coverage to hit dark types (like hatterene, primarina, or iron crown)

[worthy compass]

i thought alo would be good enough to wall gammbit

[spiral fable]

no

[worthy compass]

think i should restart?

[spiral fable]

i would recommend against building semi stall in general

the playstyle is just too flawed to make work in this current gen

stall itself already struggles from a large list of issues, and semi stall only makes those issues worse while providing little benefit

[worthy compass]

how come? i though semi stall/ hazard stack is a solid playstyle

[spiral fable]

hazard stack balance is a solid playstyle

semi stall is not

[worthy compass]

honestly facing against it sent me from 1550 to 1300 so i wanted to give it a shot

is this not hazard stack

[spiral fable]

no

hazard stack balance is way more offensive than this

with stuff like meow/weavile/deoxys

or ogerpon, or kyurem, etc

[worthy compass]

switch clef for weavile?

[spiral fable]

you need to do a lot more for this team than just small swaps

its unsalvagable in its current state, i would recommend scrapping entirely and pivoting to hstack balance

[worthy compass]

ok i looked up a guide and i thought that this met the criteria

you got samples?

[spiral fable]

yes

[worthy compass]

please sent

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/a401d8ce33b86d65

this is called bulky offense but that's a lie this is also hstack

https://pokepast.es/0676e886501cd993

[worthy compass]

doesnt ogerpon need to babied with removal

nvm

its teal

[spiral fable]

yeah

you are right that ogerpon-wellspring needs removal/fast bulky offense/hyper offense teams

but tealpon got dem shoes

[worthy compass]

i really dislike ghold as my ghost. can you suggest swaps?

matcha has been a pain to deal against so i thought i could use it and vuild around bulky hazard stack

[spiral fable]

you could try ghold/pult

[worthy compass]

ok thanks

[spiral fable]

o yeah sinistcha also works lol

meant sinistcha/pult

[native smelt]

.

[lost sandal]

.

[raw nimbus]

How can I improve this team I'm having a hard time against Moltres and Clodsire

https://pokepast.es/a49b889ad56d573d

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[quick bluff]

@worthy compass i would personally disagree strongly this is just not how you go about it

https://pokepast.es/53adcbded9233c68 something like this is more of a semistall

(sample team)

you don’t want to drop any core stall mons, you want to drop one minor one, maybe have a pivot depending on the offensive threat, and make sure the offensive threat is contributing something to your team consistently that another stallmon doesn’t fill consistently

examples of solid semistall mons include gouging fire, kyurem, to an extent ogerpon teal/meow

[weak vortex]

Honestly this is not bad ngl I would just fix some of the Tera types here

1. Make kingambit Tera dark
2. Give zama tera fire (most of your mons hate burn and I feel Tera fire would help mitigate that. (You also set up on moltres)
3. Give iron moth the tera ground tera type and go tera blast > dazzling gleam. Also fix the evs on moth. 252 speed 252 spa and 4 evs in spdef timid nature

[raw nimbus]

Thank you

Btw can you explain why dark tera? My Kingambit originally had Dark tera but I switched to Ghost to mitigate out the fighting type moves and some less dmg from ground

Sorry for the questions still pretty new to all this

[weak vortex]

You do unreal amount of damage with tera dark

Factoring the boost from tera black glasses and supreme overlord

[raw nimbus]

I see. Thanks

[weak vortex]

I hope that helps Goodluck!

If you find moth not working for you as well you could also go booster calm mind valiant

[raw nimbus]

Aight I'll keep that in mind!

[weak vortex]

🤝🏾

[brazen robin]

Read goodluck as golduck 💀

[spiral fable]

What does gouging do for this team

That semi stall team is also pretty outdated

There hasn’t been a truly successful semi stall team since Meow at the start of DLC 2

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/2b74f3b96ddde06e

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[quick bluff]

idk ask supag

i didnt build the team lol

from what i’ve seen of it’s usage it’s cool though

i think it’s a defensive and offense check to cb sun gouging and cb rilla

[tropic ice]

Surely at some point the band gouging just clicks its dragon move or eq

[spiral fable]

Well until supag posts another successful semi stall team, and doesn’t just drop a sample with no replays in stallcord, semi stall isn’t going to see the light of day in OU

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/2b74f3b96ddde06e doesnt this count

i mean ig this is pure stall

[spiral fable]

This is not semi stall

This is a really weird fat team

That gets 6-0ed by waterpon

[rigid socket]

water absorb poison jab clod

[spiral fable]

You lose to sd power whip

And water absorb clod is a waste of a slot anyways

If you want to use clod in OU it’s for unaware and nothing else

[rigid socket]

i used that specifically to counter ogerpon

[spiral fable]

That or arch got dropped back into the tier

[spiral fable]

But it doesn’t?

Like I said, sd power whip destroys you

[rigid socket]

yeah didnt realise it i only looked at horn leech

well do you have any idea on ogerpon

[rigid socket]

is there any other issues btw

[spiral fable]

Yes give me a bit

[rigid socket]

like we have a free slot now that i realised clod is basically useless

i just realised skarmory could prob take it on somewhat of course it would get worn eventually

[spiral fable]

this is a fat team that has no way of forcing hazard chip except clef (which hates facing agianst common threats like Gouging or Ghold), struggles into any boosted sweeper, and struggles into common fat breakers like Waterpon, Darkrai, and Kyurem

fat as a playstyle in general kinda iffy rn due to all the wallbreakers running around (stuff like sub tect kyurem, tera dragon goug, darkra)

not really sure this is salvagable without just going full stall/pivoting to hstack balance

[rigid socket]

lets go full stall then

i wanted to try fat teams anyway stall is as fat as it gets

[spiral fable]

honestly at that point you might as well just run quag stall, it's the most reliable in the current meta

[rigid socket]

quag as in quagsire?

not clodsire

[spiral fable]

yeah hold on lemme get the rmt

https://pokepast.es/7cfed96068d9cb17

[rigid socket]

ok thanks

so the issues with the original were no good knock off user and a struggle with sd ogerpon

right

[spiral fable]

a lot more than that

read the message i sent

[rigid socket]

yeah okay just wanted to recap so that i dont do the same mistakes when or if i try again

thanks really liked this team

[boreal bane]

Evolution of my OU team
https://pokepast.es/6560285dfb7d32bc <--Prototype
https://pokepast.es/0be284c4468079ca <--Revisions
https://pokepast.es/603dae4bc03d042d <--Tweak (Rate the Tweaked Team Please 🙇‍♂️ )

[brave turtle]

id say sd over victory dance for lilligant, youd rather have the extra attack to break esp on an ho style like sun

plus you alr outspeed basically everything with chlorophyll and the def arent much help imo

also quick claw gambit is a little weird here, id replace it with standard band gouging since thats one of the best sun abusers

and you alr have solid speed control in speed proc proto in sun

[spiral fable]

quick claw gambit isn't viable

please don't use it

[brave turtle]

other than that its a pretty standard sun team, psy noise generally has a bit more utility over psychic on hatt and close combat on tusk might fit a little better just because of the offensive nature of the team but boots utility is ok ig

although if ur going for spin utility probs a fatter tusk might work better, but id recommend going on the offensive side with tusk with headlong cc spinner and spin with lefties

[weak vortex]

I think gambit can be balloon tera fire instead

Then make tusk tera steel asw

I’m very iffy on liligant but if I had to suggest something else there it would probably be gouging fire

[spiral fable]

or venusaur

[weak vortex]

^

[tender pecan]

Super priority sucker punch 😎
but yeah don't use quick claw on kingambit lmao

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/67c9cc74148f22aa

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[weak vortex]

I’m going to be honest here this feels like ground to try a ou sample team. The reason being is that this team feels very random and slapped together. When building mons should have cohesion and should be able to sync with one another and I don’t see that here. The samples will help teach you what goes together and by battling it will familiarize you with what goes together asw.

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[ebon ember]

How about now ? @weak vortex https://pokepast.es/834f7d46abdcd622

[lost sandal]

hi

[fallow kettle]

thoughts? been laddering pretty successfully with this team. https://pokepast.es/83e3d22061ffa8bd

[junior harness]

!pokepaste

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[junior harness]

Use that instead of others

[fleet ferry]

I figured it out thank you

I'm a pokemon collector and casual sw/sh s/v player trying to get into comp, any thoughts on this team?

https://pokepast.es/e3ce976283e495ef

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[weak vortex]

Ok I’ll go over the main issues here

1. This team currently struggles vs iron valiant the lack of fairy resist for example.

2. Not really sure what rilla does here.

3. You have a major Ice weakness so stuff like kyurem and weavile owns this build as well.

4.AV prim has fallen out of favor at least imo not great.

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/ff3fd1dde4830b1f
old team, should i make changes to adjust it into current meta

[dapper imp]

not a rater but your movesets are wack

why is air slash on a cb dragonite?

replace it with outrage for stab

tera bug tusk is also wack, should use ice spinner instead for gliscor

[fleet ferry]

I was going for coverage

[dapper imp]

coverage vs who

[fleet ferry]

Mega horn bug Tera actually won me a game

[dapper imp]

not familiar with hdb enamorus but i feel like choice scarf enamorus is better in general

what ladder ranking

low ladder you can win with anything

[fleet ferry]

Trying to get into competitive*

Low ladder

[dapper imp]

sorry but if you want to get into comp you gotta use whats actulaly viable

unless you are content in staying low ladder

[fleet ferry]

Idk what I’m doing that’s why I asked for help, to get out of low ladder

[dapper imp]

just use a sample team then

[fleet ferry]

I understand moves, abilities, etc

I’m just horrendous at building teams

[dapper imp]

i recommend using a sample team then

[fleet ferry]

Okay

[dapper imp]

and watch some videos to learn the meta, different playstyles, then build around that

[fleet ferry]

Thanks 👍

[dapper imp]

youre welcome

[junior harness]

Sample teams gives a good idea on what a good team looks like, you can also watch vids of top players like pinkcross for more info too

[dapper imp]

yea pinkcross is great

[dire crown]

Tried to make a hyper offense team

https://pokepast.es/b6f289fe8eb6b2e4

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[dire crown]

(I know little to nothing abt OU)

[junior harness]

Treads does fit on Ho but not with another lead

Alo isn’t Ho

Rillaboom isn’t HO

The easiest way to make HO is:

Get a suicide lead depending on what kind of Ho you want

Then slap on 5 sweepers

And you got yourself an HO team

[dire crown]

That's it?

I thought you needed at least 1 support mon

Unless I'm thinking of balance teams lol

[brave turtle]

yea if anything thats a decent start to a balance team, but far from ho

[dire crown]

In that case, I might as well make a balance team instead

Are there any mons I should use instead for a balance team? I feel like Samurott doesn't fit

[brave turtle]

i feel like treads isnt the best here, its not a terribly reliable spinner and its probs just gonna die to either get rocks up or spin rocks off

you have some options in terms of alternative hazard control here, personally i would actually convert this to a semi-room team replacing gouging with ursa and grassy seed hatt becomes potential sweeper/trick room setter

gouging here imo isnt necessarily bad but its not particularly useful esp since ur current set isnt fat gouging

also eq gets weakened by terrain to maybe you wanna try fairy tera blast

and av on rilla isnt particularly helpful, its not gonna switch into too many special attackers nor can it revenge the slightly bulkier ones

standard band set is my recommendation

and if u make rilla band you can just make specs pult a utility status set which helps deal with some annoying faster threats and helps in terms of being able to more reliably pivot your offensive mons in

and depending on what kinds of mons you end up choosing the hamurott slot can go to another offensiveish mon like hawlucha or bolt or a pivot like glowking

[spiral fable]

i would recommend looking at sample teams if you do not know much about ou

you should try to learn the metagame first before building teams, as teams built with poor metagame knowledge will always be flawed

samples are a great way to ladder with a solid team, so you can become experienced enough to build solid teams by yourself

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[upbeat anchor]

https://pokepast.es/5868e45f546ec773

I tried building something not weather based or HO, im not sure if its good tho

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/ff3fd1dde4830b1f
old team, should i make changes to adjust it into current meta

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender pecan]

Ur right but just wanna note that rilla can work on terrain offence/hyper offence, but yeah here it doesn't

Like you have to build around rillaboom

[lost sandal]

can u help me out

please

[tender pecan]

I'm a bit short for time but I'll say a few things

[tender pecan]

Nuzzle hatterene has absolutely no business being on screens HO, scarf enam is also an odd choice

[lost sandal]

mystical fire instead?

scarf enam with contrary tera blast is really cool

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/36d276b12099c710

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost sandal]

wanted to run both gouging and kyurem in one team because overpowered :O

[spiral fable]

-booster attack, offensive evs
-morning sun

why

make it tera dragon with outrage cmon

[tender pecan]

Gonna be so fr contrary tera stellar enam sounds way cooler on paper then it actually is in practice

Especially if you're not running superpower you then need Tera to get anything out of contrary

It's fine as a cleaner but I think you have better choices here

[tender pecan]

Also no, no hatterene at all

This is screens, hatterene is slow as molasses, screens are usually used to the benefit of frail setup mons who then gain the setup turns they need from screens

And hatterene doesn't struggle much with bulk

Specially anyway

[spiral fable]

eh hatt isn't a terrible pick if you're struggling with hazards

and you dont want to slot on tusk for some reason

wouldnt be my no1 pick tho

[tender pecan]

Not terrible but idt it fits screens HO tbh

With screens for hazard removal ur really just limited to offensive tusk or, uhhh, treads I suppose

Or quaquaval if you feel like losing so not quaquaval

So yeah hatt or tusk

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/4d1727a70492f105 stall ²

[dapper imp]

i think calm mind hatterene is better if you want to use it on ho

can function as both hazard control and a sweeper

[dapper imp]

don't use garg in stall

garg is good on semi-stall and balance

if you wanna know how to build stall i recommend reading the stall bible (look it up online)

[spiral fable]

gking is also kinda mid on stall

and unless it covers some roles that your team needs, i wouldnt use it either

[spiral fable]

nah, tusk is better for most ho teams

hatt does have a niche

[dapper imp]

oh

i was saying if he wanted to use hat

[narrow cloud]

https://pokepast.es/16842b2a0243f04b thoughts on this team

[hasty dune]

https://pokepast.es/f3fd3bd3dbc041b8 Gouging Fire BO

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[weak vortex]

If you are gonna run a terrain offense team you should run mons that benefit from it. Like raging bolt (weakens earthquake) and the two ogerpons (grass stab boosted), heatran was a good start however. Secondly, teams that run rillaboom or more offense oriented so stuff like ting lu, clef, and teacup doesn’t make much sense.

[narrow cloud]

it was ment to be a bulky hazard stack team

sorry wrong chat

[weak vortex]

Team hazard stack runs stuff like alomomola, gliscor,skarm, and zama. Sometimes ting lu is on those teams as well.

[narrow cloud]

so if I make a new team in more of the tradition hazard stack team what would you change

use darkrai to knock off boots and stuff

clefable to absorb knockoff

ting lu sets spike

clefable sets rock

[weak vortex]

It would essentially be a new team which would diverge from what you had originally. But if you are gonna build something like that tran, darkrai, and rilla would have to go.

[narrow cloud]

so if we take the team mostly as a given should I replace teng lu and keep tran darkrai and boom

[weak vortex]

Not too bad honestly. I would suggest making kingambit balloon tera fire as it gives you team another ground immunity (even though it’s temporary) and you can punish moltres that would try to wisp or burn you tran which is quite annoying here.

2. Give tusk Tera steel.

3. Give enamorus Tera ground

[weak vortex]

You can try that I would replace them yes cause depending on which route you go half the team goes either way.

But if you go the offensive route clef and ting would certainly go

[hasty summit]

https://pokepast.es/6e3439e21adc44c4
first real team i've ever made. Pls don't hold back with constructive criticism

[narrow cloud]

also I think rilla can work on defensive team

[hasty dune]

Alrighty, thanks! Is the lack of hazards gonna hurt my team? Been contemplating on giving Tusk stealth rocks.

[narrow cloud]

getting an extra left over is nice on boots mons

[weak vortex]

Yeah I’m gonna be honest my friend. I highly encourage you to use team samples and resources to learn the meta. Reason being the mons here have no synergy for example this meow would be used as a lead on hyper offense but it’s time as lead came to a close as there are mons that do it better. 2. Av on ting-lu means you can’t run to spikes at all. To sum it up the sets are all over the place and so are the Mon choices.

[spiral fable]

i highly doubt encourage

[narrow cloud]

also thank you so much for the help wildfire

[weak vortex]

Oops typo

[hasty summit]

okay. So how does one go about making a team "synergize"

[weak vortex]

Np!

[narrow cloud]

been testing the team as posted

been really fun

[weak vortex]

!gen9samples

[viral sable]

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[weak vortex]

Use the samples above

Using samples will help you increase your understanding of of what goes together

[hasty summit]

hrm

[weak vortex]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread.3734134/

Please check this as well

These are the viability rankings

[spiral fable]

synergies are a long lecture

[weak vortex]

Not quite some teams actually do well without hazards actually there was a couple teams in ou samples without it

[spiral fable]

that frankly we don't ahve the time for

[weak vortex]

You should be fine

[spiral fable]

ehhhh rocks is nice

[weak vortex]

Yeah could you fit them here? Though

[spiral fable]

not like the make or break but your team is better with than without yknow

[weak vortex]

Does offensive utility tusk run it

What does it drop

[spiral fable]

not most of the time but

knock, probbaly

thouhg i don't like waterpon here

what does it do

time to shill boots pult again

you know him

you love him

this team nedes a check to watepron

[weak vortex]

a second opinion is always nice

[spiral fable]

its time for the dragapult

[weak vortex]

Spreading myself thin here haha

[spiral fable]

swap out watepron for hex boots dragapult, swap out tusk for fast taunt lando t

(since you have 3 boots mons 1 that doesn't really care and scarf enam doesn't really care tha tmuch for rocks anyways its coming in like twice)

[weak vortex]

Actually yeah this much better

[spiral fable]

and then bam! you now have three pivots, a waterpon check, a rocker, a good phys def switch in

ez as that

[narrow cloud]

whats a good aggressive spikes user

[spiral fable]

hamurott

[narrow cloud]

what mons does it need to cover weakness

[spiral fable]

fairy and fighting, usually covered by stuff like ghold or gking

though if you want to ask more of these questions you should probably take them to #comp-general

[narrow cloud]

https://pokepast.es/623c0e37a2997369

[hasty dune]

Alrighty, thanks for the help! I appreciate it!

I appreciate both of you helping me :D

[lost sandal]

its mainly for the stored power gimmicks, + with it having good def and spdef to tank a few hits after screen comes off. i could run the bulk up set of the tusk i suppose, which one do you recommend

[lost sandal]

how else should i run it? the bulky set?

[spiral fable]

please read the message below it

[lost sandal]

tera dragon with outrage

yeah

should i run boots

so its outrage for morning sun and bulky evs or offensive evs?

kind of confused, are you stating the problems with the set or are you suggesting i run outrage for sun

[spiral fable]

booster

tera dragon outrage with ddance and booster

[lost sandal]

ah okay

no morning sun then? sadge

oh wait

can i replace eq with outrage directly to keep the morning sun

or nah

[spiral fable]

no

[native smelt]

https://pokepast.es/70eebf3ef2108f76

can someone help with this team? im missing too many resistances and idk what to replace for what mon

[tender pecan]

Hmm, well this is HO

And HO doesn't care much about resistances

[lost sandal]

okay, thank you so much

[lost sandal]

sash on screens?

[spiral fable]

dont run sash darkrai if you dont got reliable hazard removal

no tusk is not reliable hazard removal on ho

[tender pecan]

^

Plus you have screens

[spiral fable]

honestly not really sure what tusk is doing here in general

its best ig

[tender pecan]

So darkrai should be able to get for a nasty plot unimpeded

[lost sandal]

especially if yo dont have bulk up on a screens team ^

[tender pecan]

I'd say maybe slot in ddance kyurem

It appreciates the snow a lot

You do end up kinda fairy weak tho

[spiral fable]

really not a fan of tera ground gouging, if you want a defensive tera run tera fairy/water

if you want an offensive tera, run tera dragon outrage

[lost sandal]

id also say you could run nasty plot dengo for rai

cuz you are very weak to fairy

but thats just me

[tender pecan]

Ehhhh

[spiral fable]

eh

[tender pecan]

Not awful but ghold isn't rly keeping up any hazards so

It not super necessary

[spiral fable]

i would rather swap out tusk for moth

[weak vortex]

Ehh this HO wasn’t too bad to begin with

A slight tera type tweak maybe

[tender pecan]

It's not that bad just needs a couple fixes

[lost sandal]

what does moth really do on screens tho

[weak vortex]

But nothing too drastic

[tender pecan]

And probably expert belt rai

[weak vortex]

Ye

[spiral fable]

honestly i really like tusk's defensive utility to this team but also you need moth to resist fairies + beat sun + beat webs

also to gamble this team has too many 100% accurate moves wtf is this

(this is a joke)

[lost sandal]

lmfao

[tender pecan]

Plus moth absorbs tspikes

[spiral fable]

seriously though moth brings a lot to the table and shores up some poor matchups you have

mostly sun and webs

[lost sandal]

could they run a cinderace for the tusk

[tender pecan]

Moth is good yeah

I'd still recommend trying kyurem if you want over roaring moon but roaring is fine

[lost sandal]

it helps with fairy MU

[tender pecan]

Not cinderace

[lost sandal]

and court change

[tender pecan]

It swaps screens with court change

Literally self sabotage

[spiral fable]

no

god no

[weak vortex]

I would prob keep tusks utility

[tender pecan]

Or just drop tusk in general

[spiral fable]

please do not run cinderace on hyper offense

[tender pecan]

Especially screens HO lmfao

[weak vortex]

You can drop one of the booster mons maybe

For a moth

[lost sandal]

im so dumb

its been a long time since i used screens or cinderace for that matter

[tender pecan]

It's alright

[lost sandal]

🙏

[tender pecan]

But ye cinderace is actually an active counter to screens 😭

[spiral fable]

gouging

[lost sandal]

its like

uh

[weak vortex]

Ye

[spiral fable]

swap out gouging

[weak vortex]

My thought too

Put moth there

[spiral fable]

also bulk up tusk

[lost sandal]

opposing cinderace takes away your screens but then you take them away

[spiral fable]

not this boots set

[lost sandal]

lmao

[lost sandal]

(im kidding here)

[tender pecan]

Yeah offensive bulk up tusk

Moth over gouging

Should be fine

[weak vortex]

Make tusk tera steel prob too

Or is poison better here

[tender pecan]

Oh and again, expert belt rai

Maybe LO

I'd say steel

[weak vortex]

Ok 👍🏾

[tender pecan]

But honestly it's not too big of a difference

[weak vortex]

Gotcha gotcha

[upbeat anchor]

https://pokepast.es/56816332033b5d89

Any thoughts for improvements

[spiral fable]

your strategy of stacking gterrain with two eq users is very unique

dont do that tho please

[lost sandal]

use protect garg to be annoying 💯

[lost sandal]

and this is true

[spiral fable]

this team also feels pretty... off to me, the defensive core feels like its one misplay from falling apart but that might just be my bias idk

not a big fan of your kyurem matchup, not a big fan of your waterpon matchup

[weak vortex]

Pon eats this for lunch yea

[spiral fable]

your strategy relies heavily on tusk actually being able to remove hazards which can be a big unreliable if he keeps trying to switch into ghosts/spin on rocky helmet users

[native smelt]

Kinda lose to ground then

[spiral fable]

what grounds

[native smelt]

Eq

[spiral fable]

what grounds bro

[native smelt]

Ground type

😭

[spiral fable]

which ones

landos ass aint doing much

[native smelt]

Just ground moves in general

espescially tusk

[spiral fable]

tusk gets folded by val

[native smelt]

True ig then

I dont remember what I did tera steel for but it was for resisting some really scary mons

[native smelt]

So…. Iron moth?

Do i run that

[weak vortex]

Yeah you drop goug for moth

[native smelt]

Tusk tera steel goes wild