[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[tropic ice]

Yeah, ig I was running one attack in the hopes the others would be able to handle the darks before lati needs to come in

What would agility replace?

[gentle venture]

the usual set is calm mind + stored power + draining kiss/aura sphere + recover/agility/sub

sub is iffy imo

since lati likes to tera

[tropic ice]

Yeah, I was kinda doing a poor man’s mlati without actually checking what lati runs

Kinda want a fighting move on tusk now for darks

Maybe bpress?

[gentle venture]

no its a pretty solid wincon actually anyways agility doesnt run that much speed it only run enough EVs to potential scarf users etc so you can run bulk with tera fairy drainig kiss can keep you healthy consistently but steel types becomes harder to break and toxic exists but generally glowking runs run it which you can breakthrough after enough boosts or you can go for speedy lati with aura sphere recover

[gentle venture]

yeah why not you can run it over knock off if you run knock off over toxic slot in gliscor

but you already have skarmory

[gentle venture]

also be wary of gholdengo

[tropic ice]

Yeah, looks like you need to be like +4 to break it

And twave can get you if not sub

I hate having 4 moves. I dislike dropping sub, but the coverage is certainly valuable

Also, I think I’ll keep knock tusk and tox gliscor. It’s probably just where I am on ladder, but toxic had been forcing so much progress

[gentle venture]

of course if it works then theres no problem

[tropic ice]

Thanks for the help! I’m off to test lati sets now

[gentle venture]

np

[tropic ice]

Do you think dragon skarm and whatever pressure I can manage with hazards and gambit is enough for waterpon?

[gentle venture]

skarm cant safely switch into waterpon tbh and gambit can be encored into sucker punch

but hazards pressure it

and dragon skarm can beat it if you can call the shots but you have to scout for its move set

[tropic ice]

I’ve managed to squeak out wins by toxicing it and as you said hazard pressure and bringing in skarm off a ko

Ig just work on that

[dense gull]

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[spiral fable]

why rocky helmet dnite?

if you want a waterpon check you have it in pult (which btw should be hex not flamethrower)

if you want a zama chekc, once again you got it in pult

i dont really know why you would run mixed dnite

honestly this team in general feels kinda weird

you seem to have gone for bulky offense, but why not have dnite be ddance then, or loaded dice scale shot

why specs ghold? you have a lot better breakers and you have no hazards

[spiral fable]

this team has no hazard removal yet only one boots user, why do you have a knocker if you only have rocks and not much else

do you want to dedicate to the hstack? if you aren't running hstack then you need to either have removal or some kind, stack boots, or turn the team more offensive

[gleaming edge]

https://pokepast.es/c6f87f18ddc02db4

[junior harness]

You have no darkrai check outside of zamazenta, so that MU is looking shaky for me

[gleaming edge]

I see, ye partially why i slotted to have zama in the team

But ye might not be enough to handle darkrai

Any recommendations for what to swap in my team?

[trail fossil]

https://pokepast.es/03949d8ad313abd2

[dusky kindle]

Probably skeledirge as I don't think it's very good right now

If you want an unaware you can try clef

Or just something like gholdengo or even pecharunt

[dusky kindle]

Any particular reason you have heatran? It feels pretty bad to me in current meta

[trail fossil]

Pairs well with Primarina and grassy terrain

[dusky kindle]

I would try gouging fire or iron moth instead

Since you're bulkier probably gouging fire

If you really wanna keep heatran you can idk it's just not as good as it used to be

Even cinderace could be good

Just as a short explanation the things that a fire type wants to check (fairy, grass) have easy anti heatran answers in valiant and ogerpon for example

[gleaming edge]

Aight ill switch it to gholden then

What set would u recommend for it? Do they both contribute to a decent breaking core?

[dusky kindle]

nasty plot twave

leftovers or even grassy seed

[trail fossil]

Okay I see

[barren sparrow]

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[barren sparrow]

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[tropic ice]

Not a rater, so grain of salt, but I don’t feel like av prim fits super well into an HO structure

Fast cm instead, maybe?

[barren sparrow]

im new sorry
i basically have no idea what this whole sentence said😭

[tropic ice]

Np

[barren sparrow]

ho structure
av prom
cm
unknown words to me

🌚

[tropic ice]

Basically, it looks like your team generally fits into a structure called hyper offense, or HO, which typically has a suicide lead(deo in this case) to set hazards or screens or whatever, then just beat down the opponent with overwhelming offensive pressure

[barren sparrow]

ah

yes

[tropic ice]

Av prim(assault vest primarina) I feel doesn’t really fit super well, being a semi defensive pivot that while good, doesn’t pour on too much offensive pressure

So I suggested maybe swapping prim to a fast calm mind (cm) set instead

[barren sparrow]

ah

alr could try that tks

[tropic ice]

I also made an offhand mention that my advice should be taken with a grain of salt, bc while I’m not talking out of my ass, there are certainly people here who are better at building that me. For example, I can see a wack set pretty easily, but actually structural issues I have a much harder time with

[barren sparrow]

all good i appreciate any advice

[fast island]

You see that is my pre fixed team

That was before I actually took advice and ran with it

Ah, damn it nevermind

I thought you were talking about the old team

But, I'll probably change Dnites item

[spiral fable]

why is dnite defensive

[fast island]

Tank

[spiral fable]

dont

[fast island]

Already replaced flamethrower with hex

[spiral fable]

just pivot the team to bulky ofefnse and make dnite an offensive set

[fast island]

You mean with D dance?

[spiral fable]

yes

[fast island]

Already have d dance

[spiral fable]

dont do this weird 252 hp 252 atk set with air slash

just run one of the standard sets on smog dex

[fast island]

https://pokepast.es/bdc10821d8b7e57b

Voila

Although I definitely forgot to replace Dragonites item

[spiral fable]

drop ghold for a breaker

future isght over surf on gking

[tropic ice]

Also your dnite’s spatk evs do nothing now

[spiral fable]

change your dnite's ivs to standard

[fast island]

no clue what the standards are

[spiral fable]

instead of ghold you can run enamorus/kyurem

[spiral fable]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/dragonite/

[fast island]

I see

[fast island]

What set to run on enamorus?

[spiral fable]

Scarf

Run it’s smog dex set

[tropic ice]

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[icy nest]

oh thanks

[sly mauve]

I need advice on this team; so far things have been good in singles but still I feel like something is off about this team

https://pokepast.es/34aa0c365f2eea7f

[spiral fable]

this isn't legal in OU? wht tier is this for

[sly mauve]

Just in general online matches for sv

Sorry is there a channel for that

[spiral fable]

battle spot singles?

if its bss you want this channel https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060690402711183370

[sly mauve]

Cool thanks

[tropic ice]

https://pokepast.es/91e1c0e292842436 I made another bad balance-ish team!

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[tender pecan]

Well a couple things

Banded roaring is, not that good outside of sun, not awful but it's usually used as a banded breaker which without sun boosting it, it doesn't do that well

also no removal isn't ideal

[tropic ice]

Oh I forgot defog

[tropic ice]

That’s a shame, guess I’ll look into a different breaker

[tender pecan]

Darkrai pretty good

So is kyurem

[orchid nacelle]

I'm new to competitive someone gave me this team is this gud and how to use it to 100%

[spiral fable]

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[spiral fable]

but also this team is pretty unviable, you're running screnes with only 1 screens abuser and the rest dont fit

[orchid nacelle]

Should I use ribombee instead??

Sticky wev

Web

[spiral fable]

no, since most of these mons dont fit on hyper offense

[orchid nacelle]

What is the architype of this team though

[spiral fable]

wake is mostly seen on sun, rillaboom on grassy terrain teams, hoopa on niche balances, and pult on bulky offense/balance

[orchid nacelle]

Like some weird offense?

[spiral fable]

its screens hyper offense but built really poorly

if you're new to the tier i would recommend simply using the samples for now

you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[orchid nacelle]

What architype to use

For new player

[spiral fable]

whichever one you prefer

some form of offense is easier to grasp for most, tho

[orchid nacelle]

Wait I have a another team

[spiral fable]

also for future reference we don't rate teams you didnt make yourself

[orchid nacelle]

Idk what to add for lead

[spiral fable]

we don't rate unfinished teams sorry

[orchid nacelle]

Uh lemme finish it rq

@spiral fable

[spiral fable]

once again, most of these mons dont fit on hyper offense

garg is only sseen on balance, so is meow, an this tusk set doesnt work for hyper offense

i would highly recommend you stick to a sample tema for now, i already linked them above

[orchid nacelle]

Alr

[orchid nacelle]

@spiral fable yea I'm back so uh what about this

[spiral fable]

ive already told you to use samples

hgold doesnt fit, primarina doesn't fit, val needs to be setup sweeper

iffy about lando

i dont know why you're asking for rates if you dont want to listen to the advice given

[orchid nacelle]

;-;

[gleaming edge]

https://pokepast.es/aa9a7849c62bdc4b this is another version i made with hydrapple, hopefully this one is better

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[gleaming edge]

this ones feels zama weak tho so i might have to adjust that with a tera ghost maybe?

[tender pecan]

Honestly the best way to deal with zama is with a phasing move

You also have will o wisp on cinderace but imma be fr this is stall right

Not sure if cinderace really packs the bulk to be a stallmon yk

You can try it ig but it's EVs make it incredibly frail

And even with investment its not exactly bulky

[gleaming edge]

nah its bulky balance p much

but i feel like i need some priority more than anything else

[tropic ice]

I feel like you struggle to manage Kyurem (I also cannot manage Kyurem)

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/7ce270373abd599d
Ignore my lack of ability to deal with Ground

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[brazen robin]

What actually is the best way to deal with it lol

[tender pecan]

You don't/s

[dusky kindle]

I don't think scizor fits well on this kind of bulky semi stall structure

I get what you're going for with the strong pivots and wish tho

Maybe something like iron crown would be better

[sly mauve]

I completely forgot any Pokemon outside the base game existed lmao, so Iron Crown slipped my mind
I’ll try that, thank you

Main reason I used Scizor is that it has priority and hits like a truck, so it threatens other mons I couldn’t normally outspeed off the field, or makes possible sweepers back off

And also knock off just comes in handy a lot

Also HP investment over speed makes it surprisingly bulky, especially when its only weakness is fire

I’ll have to try it first

[sly mauve]

Would I rather run Future Sight or Psychic noise, considering I also have Galarian Slowking?

[fast island]

https://pokepast.es/52b5b7af1041a419

My fishies

[viral sable]

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[orchid nacelle]

@fast island relatable name

Btw anyone got a gud scizor team I could steal (scizor my fav mon I wanna use it )

[fast island]

Erm, no

Scizor is also one of my favourites but no

@orchid nacelle

[orchid nacelle]

;-;

Anyone else

[spiral fable]

Ask in comp gen

[spiral fable]

Rain needs bolt, and you don’t need double banded breaker when Skewda gets the job done fine

[fast island]

I must unfortunately take my number 1 enemy in my team.

[spiral fable]

Other than that, not a fan of waterpon in this team as your only waterpon check is bolt which loses to play rough variants

[fast island]

I see

So what do I do with pon?

[spiral fable]

Drop it for another ogeepon check

You could use dnite

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/e39895ac538f98b2
cook?!

..

[spiral fable]

No

This is screens with 0 proper screens abusers

[lost sandal]

literally blaziken

[spiral fable]

Blaziken sucks, I don’t know what rain treads is doing here, why are you running status Pult with life orb

[lost sandal]

hd boots?

[spiral fable]

Weakness policy iron crown without calm mind is wack

[lost sandal]

should i run booster energy

[spiral fable]

Why are you running Pult on HO in general

[lost sandal]

agility set 🤑

[lost sandal]

good spatk

[spiral fable]

I’m going to be honest this seems like you don’t know how to build hyper offense in general

[lost sandal]

🗣️

[spiral fable]

In which case, you use the sample teams first to get a good grasp of the common team structures of Gen 9 before building your own

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

You can find them here

[lost sandal]

how will that teach me building tho

[spiral fable]

You can see how they built their teams, and can use the team to climb ladder and face other decently built teams

There are common team cores/structures that will become apparent the longer you ladder for

[lost sandal]

i just pick a random mon i find fun

and build around it

[spiral fable]

That’s a fun idea, but in practice without good knowledge of the tier the team struggles

[lost sandal]

i see

again i ask you

which of these do you best recommend

[spiral fable]

Dark spam HO

[lost sandal]

any particular reason

[spiral fable]

Easiest to pick up

[tender pecan]

blaziken can work on screens HO

its not very good but its the only place you can like

actually run it to moderate success

getting walled by the waters isn't that fun tho

also it usually runs eq over one of its stabs as a result

[spiral fable]

It can work on screens HO in the same way that something like Kommo-O can work

Like sure you can run it but

Why

It just objectively sucks ass

[tender pecan]

you kinda just fish for certain MUs

or you overwhelm low ladder

with fast chicken

I do wanna try running it at some point to see if it can work but running blaziken is accepting that it will be dead weight sometimes

[spiral fable]

Low ladder is not a good indication of a viable Mon and you know this

[tender pecan]

yeah ik

but beyond low ladder its like

again MU fishing

[spiral fable]

It doesn’t patch up a single matchup that teams struggle with and blanks into more threats than other sweepers

[lost sandal]

is 1500 low ladder

🙏

[tender pecan]

its like

[spiral fable]

Meh

[tender pecan]

mid ladder

[lost sandal]

yippe

im mid

!!!

time to get high

easy

[tender pecan]

blaziken is not the easiest mon to get consistent elo with

because again it is inconsistent

there is a focus energy overheat set but yeah thats gambling

[lost sandal]

true true

[lost sandal]

whats the most consistent mon

on the funner side

i personally find waterpon kinda fun

[tender pecan]

well "fun" is subjective

waterpon is also very good

[lost sandal]

specs dragapult 🤩

[tender pecan]

specs pult does not belong on HO

[lost sandal]

no

it doesnt belong on ho

[spiral fable]

Take this to comp gen

[lost sandal]

it belongs in my heart

🤩

[lost sandal]

okay

[wise radish]

https://pokepast.es/f14fe1efb5f439cb

[tender pecan]

uhm well

gonna be honest this is just not that great, not sure what team structure this is and also the sets/mons are just not very good

use a sample team if you're starting out, you'll get a feel for certain things in the meta more easily

[modest osprey]

https://pokepast.es/b0f86edec25dca24

I wanted to build around mamoswine + raging bolt and the main thing I noticed wasn’t I couldn’t fit any hazards on the team

[modest osprey]

Small update but I’m considering 32 spdef evs on mamo so it always lives specs kyurem draco and still has enough speed to outspeed non timid max speed bolt

[tropic ice]

I wish I knew lmao. From smogdex, it seems that glowking can put in work, but mine also got chunked for 70 by Tera ice blizzard, and it does run ep, so…

[dusky kindle]

You gotta switch around it

Glowking can tank a hit but not infinitely

Same with tinkaton, iron crown, corviknight

Hazards are also good against it

[spiral fable]

mamoswine just kinda sucks in ou

its offensive capabilities arne't special anymore, its defensive capabilites are poor especially in a hazard infested metagame, and it just drags this team down

with a few swaps you can easily pivot this team towards bulky offense but to do so you need to defo drop mamoswine + probably corv

[sly mauve]

hey, i was trying to build a hazardstack around shaymin. The goal was to let shaymin do the work with seed flare's Sdefense drops + some dmg from EP and dG.

https://pokepast.es/d4f19f0b36449f6b

any suggestions

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[orchid nacelle]

@spiral fable remember me? I switched up the screen setter for defog corvknight that good?

[fierce basin]

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[half merlin]

https://pokepast.es/7601ac6869996124

Someone help

Idk if the move sets are good, and i dont know who too have as my 6th mon

Any help will be appreciated

[orchid nacelle]

Uh what tier is that

[half merlin]

Idk bruh

[random wolf]

This channel is for singles overused
I think you're playing vgc reg g which would be the #1059704283072831499 channel

[half merlin]

Oh ok

[orchid nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/c0943549b1c73613

[sly mauve]

i think he is doing DOU

[random wolf]

Calyrex S isn't legal in dou

And then it's the only legendary so probably not dubers

[orchid nacelle]

Anyone rate this team I Def didn't steal

[half merlin]

I dont even have a calyrex anymore

I thought i had

Take that team

And remove calyrex

Thats the team

https://pokepast.es/8b6e4c52e1c10e3b

This is the new team

[orchid nacelle]

Idk much about this stuff but I don't think a focus slash on blissey is ideal cause blissey will probably tank up the hit

But again i'mnt a good player

[half merlin]

Fair point tbf

[half merlin]

What item would you suggest putting on it?

[orchid nacelle]

Idk maybe leftovers?

Or heavy duty boots

[half merlin]

Thank you for youre help i really appreciate it

[tender pecan]

whatever this team is it doesn't go here

chien pao isn't legal in OU

[orchid nacelle]

Want about mine (I Def didn't steal)

https://pokepast.es/c0943549b1c73613

[tender pecan]

idk if ur saying I def didn't steal as a joke

[orchid nacelle]

;-;

[tender pecan]

cause we don't rate teams you didn't make here lol

[orchid nacelle]

Is that good

I got gud success with that

[tender pecan]

this is well

uhhh

not awful

but a lot of these mons are not very consistent

galarian moltres is a big high risk high reward mon

it can really fumble into certain MUS, not really assisted by tera blast over hurricane

[orchid nacelle]

Just rn I was down 3 mons then I brought my enamorus and got a chance to calm mind iron defense then won

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2179257584

I thought steel was weak to rock ;-;

[tender pecan]

opposite

[tender pecan]

I mean sure but this gets shredded by balance

enam does nothing to skarm

who can just whirlwind it out

and its not just enam, this team is very vulnerable to phasing moves

galarian moltres and enam don't like being forced out again

[orchid nacelle]

Hmm so what adjustments should I do

[tender pecan]

well

screens is a pretty finnicky playstyle in general

to rebuild this would take a complete overhaul you might as well try out some of the screens teams that got pretty high on ladder

https://pokepast.es/06e75e97386d7824

very unorthodox team

but it did get to 2000+ elo

[orchid nacelle]

Haven't encountered skarmory so far

Hope I don't ;-;

[ashen dove]

Are my opponents Unaware Pokemon aware of my choice band or does it not work on them either like my stat boosts.

[tender pecan]

this isn't the right place to ask

but no choice item boosts aren't effected by unaware as they're not stat boosts so they still register, same thing with supreme overlord and protosynthesis boosts

[orchid nacelle]

Wait does Tera blast ground still not affect flying

[half merlin]

https://pokepast.es/9842b6ca74247ece

My ou team

Please give any suggestions

To improve

[spiral fable]

Fissure is banned in OU

[half merlin]

I got rid of fissure now

What should i replace it with?

[spiral fable]

Besides that, all of these sets are kinda unviable: assault vest TTar doesn’t have the sustain to act as a spdef wall, same with Enamorus + manual rain dance is unviable, defensive Ogerpon doesn’t use Ogerpon’s best traits of a terrifying wall breaker, Blissey shouldn’t be running Light Screen nor focus sash as it needs neither and the latter will rarely proc, Scarf Lando isn’t viable as there are much better speed control options, and Ting Lu should be a spdef wall, not an offensive attacker

You seem pretty new to the tier, so I’d recommend you check out the sample teams first, and run some to gain a better understanding of the metagame

You can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[half merlin]

Thank you so much

[desert bridge]

https://pokepast.es/01628b90e18fbfc7 someone help pls!! I want something to remove hazards but i don’t wanna sacrifice the clod…

[orchid nacelle]

Yo I need some help this this is my team https://pokepast.es/c0943549b1c73613

I wanna add a skarmory countrt

What to replace

Cause skarmory will just whirlwind hazard me

And I can't do nothing

[karmic lake]

what if you used a mon with magic bounce like hatt?

not only does it bounce back the hazards, but also the whirlwind

[spiral fable]

Ok so I see that 4/6 of this team is not OU

And while some of them are pretty good (like Cornerstone) most are pretty mid like Enam, or Maus, or Gmoltf

So you should drop them for threats like Zamazenta, Moth, Darkrai, Dnite, etc

You can keep Corner tho he’s chill

[karmic lake]

and idk if i can butt in, but other than veil, i dont see synergy between a-ninetails and the rest of the team

[spiral fable]

Eh most of these are decent screens abusers (except maus)

But they should not be combined together lol

Keep the UU mons to one or two

Not 4-5

[karmic lake]

it looks like you can easily setup on this team

btw, isnt loaded dice better on maus if you run pop bomb?

if you must use maushold

[tender pecan]

Nah

Wide lens helps with pop bombs imperfect accuracy

[karmic lake]

huh, the more you know

[tender pecan]

Maus i assume is there cause hazard control

[karmic lake]

i mean, the person who sent this team said theyre losing to whirlwind and hazard stacking, so idk

but also, arent there better ways to remove hazards even against ghold?

[spiral fable]

maus should not be there

if you want hazard control use bulk up speed booster tusk

[karmic lake]

with knock off for ghold and then rapid spin? or is that commiting to too many moves?

[spiral fable]

bu with rush/eq ice spinner then rapid spin

[karmic lake]

ah...

[tropic ice]

Iirc, pop bomb is closer to taxle than scale shot for that kinda thing

[random wolf]

Rawr
https://pokepast.es/fbe4f105c3c2a715

[slate shore]

Tera ghost gambit would be better i think

[random wolf]

Figured Dark + black glasses broken if I felt comfy vs Zama

[slate shore]

Can gambit take hit from specs vaccum wave after tera to dark?

Or life orb

Iron vailant

[random wolf]

Idk if Specs Val is real but yeah

[slate shore]

Another option for gho is hex twave recover shadow ball

And bulky

[random wolf]

When ho

[slate shore]

https://tenor.com/view/breloom-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-sleepy-honk-mimimi-gif-27316444

Honk mimimi

[junior harness]

Val is gonna get giga walled by steel types

Shadow ball might just be better for gholdengo

[random wolf]

How to beat stall w/o Psyshock

[junior harness]

Bros running both shadow ball and hex

[junior harness]

Breaking swipe gouging can work

Gholdengo is more common than stall

Beating the more commonly seen stuff is more important imo

[random wolf]

Well like
Only Val loses to Gholdengo
Vs
The entire team loses to stall

[quick bluff]

psyshock ival also like doesnt beat stall by itself

tera steel clod/pex wall it with the given set as well

[junior harness]

I mean deoxys can’t touch ghold or do anything to it either

[quick bluff]

i agree sball is better here

or alternatively run sd knock if you’re worried about stall mu

[random wolf]

It's dead 2 days in

2 turns

[random wolf]

But then what do you do vs bu tusk

[junior harness]

Sd spirit break

Still does alotta damage

[quick bluff]

u right u right

uhh cm/moonblast/psyshock/sball could work

like drop encore

[random wolf]

I feel like with Gouging + Dnite + Gambit, and the fact they need to scout val anyway
Val getting walled is okay

[random wolf]

Maybe

[bitter otter]

first time teambuilding S/V

https://pokepast.es/1161a70ca6b1c8ac

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bitter otter]

https://pokepast.es/805d0f4c5a119f45

[tropic ice]

Idt that kind of para flinch rachi set can work in OU

If you wanna use rachi, it’s probably best in RU or even monotype

[bitter otter]

i see i see

do you have any replacement suggestions?

[tropic ice]

Well

You wanna build sun?

Or HO?

What’s the driving thought?

bc whatever you wanna do you need to lean into it a bit more

like, you currently have torkoal, which is a good sun setter, but your only abuser is wake, which has booster energy anyways, making the sun kinda redundant

In the current structure

On the other hand, glimmora is a pretty typical HO suicide lead

[bitter otter]

Hyper offense yeah

Im likely going to replace ursaluna for a fairy

[spiral fable]

Every mon except Glimmora doesn’t belong on HO

Torkoal and Wake should be on Sun, Meow on Balance, Ursaluna on Troom, and Jirachi in a lower tier

[bitter otter]

troom?

[tropic ice]

Trick room

[bitter otter]

ooooooo

i didnt consider trick room because most other mons will fail to take advantage

[spiral fable]

Troom kinda sucks ngl

[tender pecan]

ursa does exist on g terrain HO

so not just TR

but yeah its more specific

[crude frost]

Yo guys I am not really sure what I am doing, can I get some help?
https://pokepast.es/018d4eb5dac9ae03

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude frost]

I mostly just wanted to build a team with ogerpon

[orchid nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/b9df5c80515f2a27

Tried to cook up something

[tender pecan]

well

a lot of issues are still apparent from your first team

enam therian just isn't good

but beyond that this is just, relatively standard screens

[orchid nacelle]

Hm

So it's not that bad right ;-;

[tender pecan]

well no, granted you also put the ideas from that zama screens team I gave you last time

so that helps

light clay on zama

[orchid nacelle]

Oh yeah forgot

[tender pecan]

oh and uhhh

run nasty plot over ancient power on molt

[orchid nacelle]

I tried to create some weird moltres

I use nastu plot berry rn

[tender pecan]

ancient power is gambling for the omniboost

and otherwise isn't very strong

[orchid nacelle]

Someone told me to try weakness policy

[tender pecan]

weakness policy is a thing yeah

not bad on screens at all

but your main thing is enam rn

[orchid nacelle]

So my idea is to agility then tank the next hit for weakness policy and berserk

[orchid nacelle]

What do I use instead

[tender pecan]

p much, but nasty plot is still good in case you're forced out for whatever reason

[orchid nacelle]

Skarmory whirlwind that bothers me

[tender pecan]

exactly

well

[orchid nacelle]

Heatran for enamorus?

[tender pecan]

no

heatran isn't a screens HO mon

it lacks setup

and is a bit too slow to realistically do much

[orchid nacelle]

I wanna add a fire Mon to counter skarmory

They keep whirlwind me and I got no heavy duty boots so the hazards hurt

[tender pecan]

iron moth

[orchid nacelle]

Btw I switched up ninetails for zamzenta

[tender pecan]

thats fine too

I don't like ninetales much as a screen setter but its not awful

it is personal preference tho

so use it if you want

[orchid nacelle]

Iron moth I guess

[tender pecan]

its fine

iron moth is good yes

booster speed or special attack is up to you

[orchid nacelle]

I'll go speed

One more question

Do I run nasty plot moltres or weakness policy one

[tender pecan]

ngl both

[orchid nacelle]

Double dance or my new variant

[tender pecan]

nasty plot is there in case you need to set up again if you're forced out

[orchid nacelle]

Alr

[tender pecan]

if you do stick to no nasty plot

hurricane is run often

[orchid nacelle]

@tender pecan if I'm using nasty plot should I just use berry or weakness policy gud?

[tender pecan]

both are fine

I like weakness policy+ nasty plot especially on a mon without the best stabs

you get around resists with just, big damage

[orchid nacelle]

I had problems with rock ogerpon

My team one

Not opps using it

[tender pecan]

plus screens is the most accustomed to make use of weakness policy

which pon you use is up to you

waterpon is generally agreed as the better one

simply because water grass is a better typing

[orchid nacelle]

Yea I remember someone let me setup maushold which even when burned population bombed their entire team

[tender pecan]

and ability is lowkey better

[orchid nacelle]

Yea rock isn't a good type ngl

[tender pecan]

its not the best rn

considering kingambit and tusk are, yk, there

[orchid nacelle]

It's flying effectiveness is not gud either

Most flying are dual with steel

I mean the used ones

[tender pecan]

regardless

I'd swap enam, and you should be fine

[orchid nacelle]

Alr iron moth there

[tender pecan]

if you wanna use ninetales too thats, fine

its not a bad screen setter by any means but I prefer others

I do reccomend trying to exploit kyurem if you run ninetales

it really likes the snow

not mandatory but they pair well

[orchid nacelle]

Yea I saw teams with chilly reception kyruem

[tender pecan]

ddance kyurem can shred through a lot of things

which screens helps it set up

[orchid nacelle]

Guaranteed blizzard is scary

Lol

Ice types hit hard but also get hit hard

The kyruem teams I encountered hopefully weren't that big of a problem because I got a chance to setup moltres and Ter afiary

@tender pecan one more question how do I exactly use gholdeingo

[tender pecan]

well, I prefer other mons over ghold on screens but its a relatively straightforward game plan

its generally just click nasty plot on the many switches you force and then click your funny buttons

or recover to try and preserve ghold for a later entry again

just be careful your speed tier

[orchid nacelle]

Uh @tender pecan I'm back so is there a replacement for moltres

[tender pecan]

If you want another double dance sweeper weakness policy iron crown is real

With the added benefit of stored power which can beat stall

[orchid nacelle]

Yea that

There's a dumb fish

With a shit load of hp

And wish mobe

Move

And regeneration switch ability

[spiral fable]

It’s not real

If you want double dance manaphy actually threatens Ting Lu

[tender pecan]

Stored power sets exist they're pretty much solely on screens tho

Because otherwise its too frail to get weakness policy to activate

[spiral fable]

They exist in the sense that people run it but it’s not good at all

[tender pecan]

They're inconsistent to say the least

Since to break the many dark types you rely on just having accumulated enough special attack to tachyon cutter past them

It can do something though I've messed around with it myself to some success

[tropic ice]

Alo is far too passive for ho

[orchid nacelle]

No my opps use that

I think I need a better sweeper than galarian moltres

[spiral fable]

Zama screens suck just use Atales or Deo-S, Enam Therian just sucks (and I already told you this) replace it with an offensive sweeper like Rmoon/Gambit, Gmolt also is just worse Darkrai

[orchid nacelle]

I did it le me give u new team

https://pokepast.es/e27929f45109b793

[spiral fable]

Ok so I see you still have most of the same issues

So the previous advice still applies

[orchid nacelle]

So I gotta pick a better sweeper firstly

[tender pecan]

I gave em a zama screens team that got to 2000+ elo on ladder thats where the idea came from ftr

[orchid nacelle]

So do I use aninetials or zamzenta

[spiral fable]

Ok but why use Zama screens when Deoxys is better if you want a speedy setter and Atales is better if you want to save as many turns as possible

[tender pecan]

I think the idea at least of the person who built the team was that zamazenta was reasonably fast and wasn't a very passive lead, they did note that taunt was a problem though

[spiral fable]

Psycho boost

[tender pecan]

that zama did have tera steel for situations like that, but thats the theory anyway behind it

plus roar for phasing

[orchid nacelle]

Do I use rmoon instead of gmoltres for sweeping

[spiral fable]

Yes

[tender pecan]

roaring moon good

[orchid nacelle]

Or darkrai?

[tender pecan]

darkrai is a fine 1-1 replacement since its also a special attacker and is also very good

[spiral fable]

A: it’s just a mid setter at best, and the surprise factor goes away after it sets screens once
B: you can’t run IDBP Zama, which would be an upgrade in every sense

[orchid nacelle]

Should I just use grimsnarl ;-;

For screen

[tender pecan]

I wasn't the one who made the team, not that I disagree but it has been shown to work to some level

grimmsnarl is ehhhhhhhh

I don't like its passivity

[orchid nacelle]

Imma just stick to zamzenta

[tender pecan]

deo s is an option too

[spiral fable]

Ok I don’t know why you come here to ask for a rate

When you’re not willing to take the advice

[orchid nacelle]

I'm Gona use deo s then

Wait nvm

A ninetails

@spiral fable so yea gmoltres switched got rmoon and zamzenta got a ninetails any more advice?

[spiral fable]

I gave you all the advice already

[spiral fable]

^

[orchid nacelle]

Alr

I just got destroyed by a rain team ;-;

[fierce basin]

alright,
if you're going to run waste a slot on suicide lead glimmora, the rest of your team should be dedicated to keeping pressure up so they can't remove hazards. This means a guy like glowking doesn't really fit. Maybe you have it cause you're mono lose to zamazenta? but even then it can sub and tera steel and blank you.
Since you're keeping up pressure the whole time and have a suicide lead with spin, I would not have boots on tusk they feel worthless here. Making it the speed booster bulk up set, i don't think you benefit from knock too much anyway
Replacing glowking with iron moth so you still have a tspike absorber if you care about that
slapping sd over uturn on wogerpon, doesn't really fit on h.o as all the guys you could possibly uturn to are frail.
I'm really not sure who you're healing wishing, gambit? I'm skeptical on scarf enamorus and zama can just tera and heavy slam you, so i'm making it a bulky ghold to try to help that matchup
updated paste: https://pokepast.es/4fea6eeb1f433714
other options:
play rough over encore on waterpon if you feel the need to hit bolt
If you want to go a different route where you actually have switchins like glowking, you'd replace glimmora with a mon you don't throw away in 2 turns. Hope this helps a bit, good luck and have fun

also you guys gotta stop having like full length conversations in here

not to mini mod but it makes it aids to check and see if I feel like rating smth if I have to scroll ages

[fierce basin]

I dont remember if you got taken care of in compgen, but some of the above advice is applicable here. Since you have a suicide lead that's preventing hazards and a team that keeps up momentum, boots on gouging are a waste here. It should be booster energy. I'd also probably slap shadow ball on valiant but I guess that's preference, maybe you prefer forcing tera so glasses tera dark gambit can break stall. Another option to consider is sball on val and psyshock on ghold. otherwise this looks fine

good luck n have fun

[lost sandal]

wat are some good cores to build around

[spiral fable]

Ask in comp gen

[twin horizon]

Rillaboom Heatran
Gliscor Gholdengo
Zamazenta Hatterene

[random wolf]

[half merlin]

https://pokepast.es/e7b1aeacf202713c
Thoughts on this

Me personally

Coldest team oat

[dreamy stone]

this?

[half merlin]

Ye

[dreamy stone]

first, i would'nt run scarf darkrai, i run life orb since you already have a ton of speed investment it's already pretty fast

[half merlin]

Ok

[dreamy stone]

second, on garchomp i would run scale shot + loaded dice + tera steel

[half merlin]

Ok

[dreamy stone]

corvik is good

[half merlin]

Thank you

Good

[dreamy stone]

btw this singles right?

or dub

[half merlin]

Yep

[dreamy stone]

ok

[half merlin]

Yep

[dreamy stone]

rage powder useless in singles

[half merlin]

Ok

[dreamy stone]

i would run spore instead

[half merlin]

Ok

[dreamy stone]

iron valiant is quark drive speed or attack?

[half merlin]

Speed i think

Idrk

[dreamy stone]

i would lower speed just enough so you get attack

[half merlin]

Yep

[dreamy stone]

hypnosis on darkrai instead

[half merlin]

Ok

[dreamy stone]

ice beam

dragon claw for scale shot gar

thats it from me

hope this helps

(im not that good)

[half merlin]

Thank you so much any help is appreciated

[spiral fable]

Please don’t give advice if you’re not knowledgeable in the tier, Hypnosis has been banned for months

I will give advice once I’m done with lunch

[half merlin]

Bruh

[spiral fable]

What team structure did you have in mind here?

[half merlin]

What does that mean bruh

[half merlin]

Ion know what that mean

[spiral fable]

So you’re like really new to the tier huh

[half merlin]

Yes
Every tier im new to haha

[spiral fable]

Hm

[half merlin]

Huh

[spiral fable]

Read this first

#comp-general message

[half merlin]

Id say balanced tbf

[spiral fable]

With a few tweaks, this can become a decently solid bulky offense team, swap out Amoonguss and Corv for Lando-T and Slowking Galar

[half merlin]

Ok

[spiral fable]

Use the fast utility set for lando and pivot gking, you can find these sets on smogdex

[half merlin]

Yep

[half merlin]

Everything else is ok?

Like no more changes?

[spiral fable]

One sec

[spiral fable]

swap pult to the boots utility set with dragon darts and wisp, swap darkrai to the nasty plot boots set

[half merlin]

Ok

[spiral fable]

drop stone edge on chomp for scale shot, dclaw for fire fang, and run loaded dice over life orb

[half merlin]

Ok

[half merlin]

https://pokepast.es/5e603ad8e15b0d48

New and improved

[half merlin]

Thank you for the help

[spiral fable]

keep val speed booster

[half merlin]

Ok

Donezo

[dapper imp]

https://pokepast.es/933d03bee4ead878

made an experimental cb dondozo team

how it look?

[spiral fable]

Don’t

Cb Dondozo is entirely unviable

[dapper imp]

damn

i mean was it actually tried seriously before

[spiral fable]

No because why

You have 0 reason to run it

It offers nothing except a wasted team slot

[dapper imp]

damn

im still prob gonna keep it tho in case i want to use a gank team

[feral monolith]

you mind if i run that team? that banded bozo looks fire

[dapper imp]

sure lol

[feral monolith]

bet

gonna make it eq and slam over crunch and press

[dapper imp]

i used crunch to hit gold and bp to hit air ballon gambit

but sure

[dapper imp]

Dondozo @ Choice Band
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Liquidation
• Avalanche
• Body Press
• Outrage

alternate set i made to take advantage of tera dragon in case it needs to tera in a pinch

it cant check gold i just realized gold is faster

[junior harness]

https://pokepast.es/cf127c293c7a6349

No idea what I’m doing rn with the Garg evs but I wanna try out band oger

[ornate zenith]

Breloom (F) @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Bullet Seed
• Mach Punch
• Rock Tomb
• Spore

Krookodile (M) @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Moxie
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Scale Shot
• Knock Off
• Bulk Up

Dragapult (F) @ Dragon Fang
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Dragon Darts
• Hex
• Will-O-Wisp

Ninetales-Alola (F) @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Aurora Veil
• Blizzard
• Draining Kiss
• Snowscape

Swampert (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Damp
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Yawn
• Flip Turn

Espeon (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Psychic
• Shadow Ball
• Light Screen

this is my first time making a team, I'm so lost

[spiral fable]

!pokepaste

[viral sable]

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You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
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[ornate zenith]

o.o

sorry mb

I'll do that rq

does that work?

[ornate zenith]

^

[spiral fable]

Link it next time, but to be honest this team is unviable

Most of these mons are unviable in OU and all of these sets are unviable, and Breloom cannot run spore in OU

if you are new to the tier, I would recommend using a sample team to learn the tier first, you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[ornate zenith]

sorry, and thank you for the feedback

[junior harness]

Bump

[worthy compass]

I went from 1600 to 1300 using this. Please rmt

https://pokepast.es/8e192979328eaab3

[junior harness]

Since when was Tera grass ogerpon-wellspring a thing

Oh and you have no hazards

Tera flying corv isn’t good

[worthy compass]

Lol I'm in a different pc so I just had to recreate. That's Tera ground corv and regular wellspring

I'm just so tilted I had to step out

@junior harness do you think it's legit outside of my typos?

Ik I could use paradox mons but I feel like the booster energy basically locking you in is such a turn off for me

[spiral fable]

No hazards is wack

[worthy compass]

It's mostly just deflecting to the other side

The dragonite set kinda backed me into that corner

My biggest problems with this set is the lack of ground moves honestly lol

Wdyt clod?

[spiral fable]

There’s something wrong with this team but I’m currently sprinting across the Seattle airport to catch my layover so I’ll get back to you in 8ish hours

Probably just wait for another rater

[weak vortex]

I’ll help the best I can what was your vision for this team ? Cause it looks like half balance half offense

[junior harness]

bump again im getting drowned out

[worthy compass]

No prob I'm taking a 1 day break from tilt

Also I was just there like 2 hours ago. Was playing there during my layover

I'll blame it on the usa

[weak vortex]

Hey cool team idea there are some changes I’ll suggest

1. Since your team is vulnerable to chip and status mons I think going tera fire on kingambit would be a good suggestion allows you to set up on molt without fearing status item: lefties.

2. With ogerpon needing Tera to boost speed this team lacks reliable speed control. There are two mons I feel could help with that issue the first being zamazenta (which allows you to annoy offensive teams with roar and iron defense) and the second being scarf enamorus.

3. Why I would probably pick Enamorus is its scarf set alongside healing wish which gives any of your other mons a second chance restoring hp and healing status conditions. Whether you slot zama or Enam I’d probably put it over garg.

4. Minor suggestion I feel thunder wave might be a bit better on glowking as it can stifle any set up attempts on things that might use it as setup fodder like gouging fire.

These are what I see with my eyes that could help but an official rater can probably share their suggestions later when they are available.

[spiral fable]

Your Waterpon matchup is horrendous drop Moltres for Status Pult make Garg more physically defensive

Nvm you can keep Garg evs as is actually

[spiral fable]

Ok cool I figured out why I didn’t like this your Waterpon matchup is also hella iffy

Dnite is normally a solid check but with loaded dice the potential for rocks to ruin your day is high

Frankly I don’t get what TingLu does here

You have two separate forms of hazard control, but both are also exploitable which sucks when your team is boom or bust over hazard

No speed control your defensive core is kinda weak with Gouging 6-0ing this team

This feels like a weird split between bo and balance that doesn’t work in either direction

[worthy compass]

Honestly idk what this ting lu set is but it's been popping up here and there on olt and thought it would pair nice with glowking

It's mostly me trying out this trendy ting lu set. I've got no hazards because I have 3 switchers to carry momentum and deflect hazards to let in the 2 damaging cores I have that honestly are weak af to rocks and spikes

@spiral fable you hit the nail on the head though. Ursa trick room and gouge run through my team

[ashen dove]

Bro I'm "this close" to running an expert belt flamethrower ice beam dragapult

I hate hazard removal

Wait, it doesn't learn ANY ice move?

It learns surf i guess, that should hit treads and tusk for SE dmg.

[orchid nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/18fb687e2dcbda3c

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Poliwrath is unviable and Kingdra ain’t much better

Idk what’s up with that Zapdos spread but don’t, and treads should always be run over tusk on rain

[orchid nacelle]

Alright

[spiral fable]

Swap out Zapdos for bolt, poliwrath for a waterpon check like Dnite or Overqwil, and Kingdra for Kingambit

[orchid nacelle]

I have realized that raging bolt destroys this team I just created lol

[spiral fable]

Please test your teams on ladder before asking for rates, a lot of team issues can become very apparent after a few games

[orchid nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/13070c2ae796a556

[orchid nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/f4364d8bd18f79ac

Tried making a sun team

[dusky kindle]

Since all your sweepers minus gambit are special you will have a hard time with blissey/clodsire/glowking

Gambit will have to come out earlier and get chipped down

I'd recommend changing one of your special mons for physical

[orchid nacelle]

Alright

Any suggestions?

[dusky kindle]

Roaring moon, great tusk, gouging fire

[weak vortex]

I would probably add tusk yes because you currently have no ground type and i think this needs some form of secondary removal. I feel like gouging fire is good here yes. I’d probably drop venu and moth imo. Also fix the raging bolt set drop solarbeam for thunderbolt and go lefties.

[weak vortex]

.

[orchid nacelle]

@dusky kindle @weak vortex this adjustments gud?https://pokepast.es/fd9d655ed833058b

Got the whole beast trio ;-;

[weak vortex]

Just realized haha. I think you could run offensive utility tusk here instead. From my eyes view seems fine. Someone else can probably share their suggestions later if anything.

[orchid nacelle]

Alr

Btw one thing I saw is that sometimes my sun is used by my opps rather than me ;-;

[weak vortex]

Might be a similar build but not identical and if it is…Ultimately in a mirror match just think ahead and try to outplay.

[dusky kindle]

I think they mean more that like tusk and friends get the free proto boost

Which is always a concern

Just gotta try to position so you hit first

And harder

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/8dad87f9da1009ae
Hoopa u offense

[dusky kindle]

Personally I think Hoopa is bad but if you want to build around it you need a lot of good physical defence due to constant threat of U-turn among other things

So you should have a second switch in alongside Lando for that

Corviknight with helmet could be good, or zamazenta, or Alomomola

Mola is specifically good because you can pivot yourself, wish pass, and heal off U-turn chip

This will lead to a more balanced /bulky team which is a better fit for Hoopa, so you will probably need to revamp the squad quite a bit

[molten dirge]

https://pokepast.es/25be6b373f9f88dd can someone briefly explain how to teambuild easily idk

[tender pecan]

I'd use a sample team if you're not sure how to teambuild

there's a sample for several structures cause p much all the sets here are not good

[spiral fable]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/7565ecc652dddc2b

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quick bluff]

tried building cb sciz on hazard stack

[spiral fable]

Please don’t

Scizor is not even close to a reliable hazard remover, and definitely doesn’t operate well as a breaker

[weak vortex]

Gotcha I see now

[spiral fable]

This team is stonewalled by any bulky water

[quick bluff]

not meant to be reliable hazard removal

threw fog on because i found myself never clicking cc

and it helps relieve hazard pressure from glimm and hrott in a pinch

[quick bluff]

mola has been fine in testing but now that you mention it dozo could be an issue

what would you recommend changing?

could run garg as a rocker over skarm

[weary crypt]

Looks fine I just think fat is bad this gen

I think it kinda gets eaten by waterpon after a bit of chip on skarm and zama

[spiral fable]

Drop Scizor first of all

You need a good special/mixed attacker, preferably one that can threaten the bulky waters

Like raging bolt

[night flax]

https://pokepast.es/815512411a237a5a

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/691ad2319bba017a rate this hazard stacks

[brave turtle]

i’d run earth power on heatran just so you can hit things like bolt gouging and other heatran

flash cannon doesn’t hit much besides fairies but you alr beat those anyways most of the time

spdef zama is also interesting but there isn’t particularly much that it checks though

helps the crown and glowking mus ig but i’d just run hp >

[night flax]

it was just to even out the amount of physical and special walls i had on the team

[brave turtle]

i’d say switch out a phys wall with a spdef like clef > heatran or garg

if you invest spdef over spatk in heatran as well that helps a ton

and if you really really really want spdef on zama you can just run a light screen or smthn lol but i wouldn’t recommend it

and darkrai as your only knock user for hazard stack is a bit iffy imo, maybe knock on gliscor over toxic

or what you can do is replace garg or zama with ting lu as your spikes and gliscor can replace spikes with knock

whirlwind on ting lu can help w setup sweepers which ur team lowkey struggles a bit with and more hazard dmg too

[night flax]

ting lu looks really good on the team, i just dont want clapped by kyurem

which clefable could be helpful with

so ill for sure be adding that over garg

specically special sets of kyurem since it cant learn earthquake

[brave turtle]

if ur keeping zama press is enough to force it out but if not air balloon heatran can help

[night flax]

i prob will, since garg was very useless in 90% of my games

and replacing with clef

[brave turtle]

yea also darkrai doesnt seem right here but tbh cant really think of a solid replacement mon

prim or something maybe? it seems youre gonna struggle a bit with sub setup users

[night flax]

it was just to scare mons with a revenge kill (to have a non knockoff sponge lose their item) and also deals with most of the knock off sponges with the moveset

[brave turtle]

fair enough ig you can slot whirl on ting lu and hopefully get tera poison darkrai in on a prim before it sets up

[lost sandal]

great tusk gholdengo dragapult kingambit toxapex ival
is chat gpt cooking wwith this one 🔥

[dusky kindle]

Make pex av maybe

[orchid nacelle]

@dusky kindle a question Do I try to make predictions that cover his all team and possible switches or just for the attack on the Pokémon already on field

[dusky kindle]

like in general?

[orchid nacelle]

Suppose it's my walking wake speed boost against his coughing fire he knows he he will get outspeed and oneshotted so do i try to use a move that covers his possible switch or just use super effective move against his coughing fire not worrying about switch

[dusky kindle]

there are 3 kinds of moves to consider

1 - hit the pokemon in front of you. always consider this first

2 - predict the switch. think about what your opponent would want to do

3 - middle ground plays. Moves that hit the pokemon in front and also do damage to any switch.

its a bit of a longer answer but mid ground plays are often very useful

you should also think about whether or not the pokemon is needed to win

if not then you can take a risk and predict

and your opponent will think the same

they will always switch out if they think they need that pokemon to win

in the beginning of the game hit the pokemon in front of you usually

[orchid nacelle]

I often do like a boost move agaisnt a raging bolt that has just switched on to revenge so his thunderclap won't work

Works most of time

[dusky kindle]

if you want more in depth advice we can take this to #comp-general

[orchid nacelle]

Alr

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/ddb5d5c0e35c0227 what does this team want in 6th slot?

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quick bluff]

does garg not do a similar thing

[quick bluff]

also faya do you think band scizor is completely unviable or just more offense oriented

[orchid nacelle]

@dusky kindle what architype is the best rain snow or sun?

[fierce basin]

this is not a question for sv ou rates

[fierce basin]

hi, we only rate completed teams here, but I was looking at your previous team and it's worth mentioning that meowscarada needs triple axel to function as a knocker. Otherwise gliscor just swaps in and absorbs knock forever. gliscor also imo does way too well into the last team you posted especially with no triple axel meow. Thunder punch is not it imo. Hope you have a good day

[desert bridge]

https://pokepast.es/2de46ac4105ac41e is this team good?

should i keep sash on darkrai?

[orchid nacelle]

Arceus steel is a uber

Nvm

I'm dumb

[desert bridge]

💀

[orchid nacelle]

I wanna steal someones balance team

[fierce basin]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[desert bridge]

https://pokepast.es/2de46ac4105ac41e is this team good? What could i change it to make it better?

enamorus is kinda redundant tbh but i don’t wanna use torkoal to set sun

cuz torkoal is a setter and i alr have glimmora

[orchid nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/89df30489a758288

[desert bridge]

contrary on enam is funny

do it

with stellar tera blast

[orchid nacelle]

What does stellar even do I still don't know

[desert bridge]

its super effective against any terastal type

[orchid nacelle]

Btw how's the team @desert bridge

[desert bridge]

I’m not the man for the job im sorry

@dusky kindle

[dapper imp]

https://pokepast.es/4fbae4e9a7d38259

made a choice band dozo team earlier for giggles but i decided to seriousify it so its now centered around sub dice kyu

[orchid nacelle]

Idk much about this stuff but chiliy reception and blizzard looks like a gud combo

This works too I guess

[dapper imp]

ik about the blizzard set

im using gking as a fairy pivot

[orchid nacelle]

But I think if u got dragon dance scaleshot ain't that much gud cause DD already gives speed boost but idk

[dapper imp]

i saw ppl say the dd + scale shot set is good

so i might as well give it a try

[orchid nacelle]

Yea

I just use stolen teams or some weird self made team

[dapper imp]

fair

i just switched dozo and hydrapple with gking and zamazenta

cuz they work much better as a defensive core

in this team

specifically

[fierce basin]

There's potentially more issues but at a glance you appear incredibly weak to shadow ball in general as well as Darkrai. Darkrai smashes all 6, and you've opted for adamant zama (I would not do this) so you can't even out speed Darkrai w your guy. Kyurem also cannot really afford to run adamant, as speed booster tusk will still out speed you after a dd

[orchid nacelle]

Thoughts on g-moltres?

[dapper imp]

oh

[fierce basin]

I think you should ask this in compgen

[dapper imp]

didnt realize zam was adamant

should be jolly

is it fine if i send my team again after i change some stuff

[fierce basin]

Yeah

That's fine just don't post it again if someone gives you like, a full rate w a replacement team. I replied to you kinda lazily cause I'm on mobile

[dapper imp]

Alright

Ur doing gods work for someone still learning to teambuilding

[dapper imp]

https://pokepast.es/2fd48497902e6b11

how is this now

made some important changes to account for more mons

[spiral fable]

hm

ddance kyurem with dice is kinda overshadowed by its mixed set, but if you want to use it id recommend using screens hyper offense

specifically with atales

you can pivot pretty easily honestly, just swap zama's set to idbp and replace gking + lando

[gentle venture]

https://pokepast.es/86de9d62a4a03c19
I wanted to build something around volcanion slither wing is used instead of tusk for its favorable matchup against darkrai and resisting tusks HLR and being able to burn both tusk and gambit ( otherwise tusk can run over this team after a rapid spin ) 204 speed EVs on volcanion outspeeds uninvested gliscor
What ı wanted to take advice about this team is cinderace tbh it feels like wasted slot hazards stack teams beats this team on the long run anyways ı was thinking about turning this team into a boot spam and replacing cinderace with wish protect clefable ( maybe ı could go for unaware clefable with encore it creates opportinitys to wish pass and without it veil offense sweepers gives me a problem slither and landarous can absorb knock offs anyway ) also AV crown needs to be changed in that case maybe ı could swap AV with boots ?
Anyways ı somehow need to answer pult ( stun spore on slither maybe ? ) , waterpon , taunt speed booster moon ( weavile over meow maybe ? )
Sorry for long ass post btw lmao

[spiral fable]

if you want to keep bulky offense, however, then you should probably swap out kyurem's set to its mixed nmi/boots set (probably boots)

not a fan of aoa zamazenta, i would rather swap it to idbp and get your immedate power from another mon

(probably through swapping hatt for something like specs bolt or specs pult)

other than that just give gking some boots

[spiral fable]

this team just... doesn't work

[dapper imp]

Not using gking rn

I swapped with primarina

[spiral fable]

ok well its in your team post so i rated off of that

[spiral fable]

This team's offensive pressure is poor, its defensive core is weak, and it struggles with many common threats like Waterpon and Zamazenta

This isn't really bulky offense since there's no real offense in this team, Meowscarada should not be used outside of balance hazard stack teams

This team just suffers from too many issues im not sure this is fixable

[gentle venture]

Understandable ı run with meow cause bulky waters and dragons did give me some trouble

What could work with volcanion in your opinion

[spiral fable]

idk, balance as a sort of breaker with that tera ghost fire spin set?

[dapper imp]

I’ll keep the bo team style but replace kyerum set with boots

And some other moms

Mons

[gentle venture]

Yes ı dont know is moltes + glowking decent with magic guard clef as a defensive core ı could run volcanion with some other mon for offence

[spiral fable]

eh

that leaves you with very few team slots to slot in hazard setters, breakres, sweepers, etc

if you want more team building tips you can ask #comp-general but volcanion is really hard to slot on

o if that's an offence core it doesn't work at all

way too passive

[weak vortex]

That trapper set is also competing with Tran which is already known as a trapper to begin with

Volc is in a tough spot this gen overall

[gentle venture]

No what i mean is ı can switch meow with something else for offence

[spiral fable]

im ngl this team is not salvagable in its current state without dropping at least 3-4 mons

the issue is not just meow, or volc, its the overall structure

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/3f0b9b878dde01d4

[dapper imp]

What’s wrong with aoa Zamazenta

[spiral fable]

as a breaker, its not strong enough

cant check threats it would with idbp

[dapper imp]

Oh

Bulky sweepers still have a place in bo right

[weak vortex]

Yeah some notable ones are bulk up tusk, Id press zama, swords dance gambit, calm mind primarina there several others I have not named

But feel free to ask more about that in #comp-general

[dapper imp]

Ok, I just didn’t want kingambit to sweep my entire team which is why I added him

[spiral fable]

idbp does the same, but better

[weak vortex]

^

[dapper imp]

Ima switch to a more generic bo team for my serious team then

More boots spam and swap some mons

[weak vortex]

Offensive Zama is just hard to justify these days and doesn’t do much without future sight support and some other support.

[dapper imp]

Can I send my new team again

Changed it via your advice

Want to make sure it is good

[spiral fable]

my advice was pretty straightforward but aight

[gentle venture]

@spiral fable
https://pokepast.es/b48c832885bde464 so ı remade the team is this ok ?

[spiral fable]

please test teams before you send them

this is 6-0ed by waterpon

or ig 5 + a little chip on zama -0ed by waterpon

[gentle venture]

So uh tera grass on moltres should be ok imo

[spiral fable]

if you get forced to tera anything else you insta lose

[dapper imp]

https://pokepast.es/204981b5b1b237f5

[gentle venture]

Ok then thx anyway

[spiral fable]

might want vest on primarina other than that looks good

[dapper imp]

Bet

[half merlin]

https://pokepast.es/4e9500711b16a8bd

Thoughts on this

Its my second team ive ever properly built so dont slate me too much

[junior harness]

tera blast dark is almost useless on gambit

and lando dont need boots, its immune to spikes and isnt weak to rocks

[craggy atlas]

is this anything
https://pokepast.es/43482e40a7b69095

[bitter otter]

am i missing any important moves?

https://pokepast.es/df92f7e93a9d582e

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[craggy atlas]

also ik i need hazard removal and a gambit check, it would help if y'all could recommend a way to slot them in