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[lost sandal]

dont wanna run hawlucha either

but i could try it out if u want

@tender pecan https://pokepast.es/03ddf282a63a2804 is this better?

https://pokepast.es/7fdf46a066ce8aa7 this is the other option

[tender pecan]

as I said, U turn over drain punch on rilla also tera ghost on lead glimmora albeit ur nearly never gonna use it, and sludge wave over power gem imo, or spikes

[lost sandal]

okay

[lost sandal]

didnt bother changing tera

drain punch is very good for king

[tender pecan]

grassy seed on hawlucha, activates unburden instantly, substitute over iron head imo

still don't like iron valiant set

[lost sandal]

also which one of the pastes do you prefer?

[lost sandal]

can u suggest a val set please, also i think hawlucha's set is good. swords dance is free

i could run encore for iron head

to counter kingambit

or other priority

[tender pecan]

encore or sub is recommended

[lost sandal]

like raging bolt

[tender pecan]

for the first paste iron val is fine for second paste I'd go with

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Timid Nature

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Encore

you can alternatively run modest nature and boost special attack and swap shadow ball for vaccum wave for kingambit but thats up to you

[tender pecan]

U turn is near essential on g terrain to keep momentum going, its also a good click into something like lando t who might also U turn out

aside from those few things though, this looks good

[lost sandal]

king hard walls rilla then tbh

but i get your point

[tender pecan]

you do have other answers for king if need be

it is kinda scared of ursa

[lost sandal]

true true

fine i replaced it

[tender pecan]

if you really find the MU problematic you could drop knock for drain punch

but it should be fine

you have val with destiny bond on one team and on the other team kingambit still takes a fair bit from boosted moonblast

again if ur finding it bad, vaccum wave can help

[lost sandal]

which one of these teams do you prefer

[lost sandal]

in the other team i have sashed hawlucha so that shouldnt be an issue

[tender pecan]

second one because I don't rly like using iron moth but thats more for personal reasons both r fine

[tender pecan]

you don't want sash on it tho that kinda defeats the purpose

grassy seed boosts your defence and also you can make the kingambit MU trivial by using encore or sub in front of a predicted sucker punch

[lost sandal]

relatable

fine

ill try out both and let you know

[tender pecan]

the whole point of hawlucha is unburden

focus sash has no guarantee to activate it

while grassy seed always activates if terrain is up

while giving you a defence boost

[lost sandal]

tbh im not a huge fan of glimmora on teams with no dengo

kind of defeats the point of a suicide lead if you have a tusk just remove all the hazards

[tender pecan]

dengo doesn't fit on most HO teams

and the point isn't really that hazards stay up the whole game, if you force them to spin and then you get a chance to set up or take down their great tusk thats a fair trade

losing their anchor for a glimmora is a terrible trade

the problem with ghold on HO is that it is simply not that fast, and while yes you could come in and block a great tusk from pressing rapid spin, then what, it'll probably use knock off, you can't really switch into anyone else either because HO teams don't have a defensive backbone it can also eq you if you're not air balloon

[lost sandal]

game 1 with hawlucha team went well but thats probably because im 1200

😭

i peaked at 1450 thats crazy

[tender pecan]

it simply doesn't make progress you're better off putting another big sweeper

webs HO appreciates it but thats because it circumvents the speed thing and also they need webs to function

[wise knot]

this is terrible advice. ghold is a staple on multiple HO structures

[tender pecan]

Primarily webs tho

Or with scarf

I haven't really seen it outside of that

Not saying it's bad on HO it's just more specific

Overcoming it's speed is the issue, aside from that it does hit very hard and its typing does give it setup opportunities, personally tho I'd rather use darkrai in most cases

[wise knot]

No, there are two great examples of very predominant HOs with gholdengo that aren't webs

the vert soft sand lando team and the gxe darkrai bolt team

and it fills a completely different niche than darkrai

[wise knot]

and these are just like, tournament caliber teams that are well known. people use ghold on HO to great effect all the time

[lost sandal]

@wise knot https://pokepast.es/3d59eb857011d6f0 and https://pokepast.es/34112251237db14e are the teams i have made. are there any changes you would suggest? and which one is better in your opinion?

[wise knot]

Both of these have some suboptimal movesets but I prefer the lucha version

not a bad construction either just weird movesets

cc on lucha always

[lost sandal]

oh

i went drain punch to heal off some damage from the rocks and stuff

[wise knot]

you're trying to win the game quickly with lucha and you're only gonna be taking damage from prio or fat mons that can status you which ideally have been chipped

[lost sandal]

i see

any other suboptimal movesets

[wise knot]

no need for ice punch on ursa

run tect or sd

and you want some speed generally if you arent running trick room

[lost sandal]

ice punch for dnite gliscor and landorus?

[wise knot]

you hit them hard enough with facade

[lost sandal]

whats it gonna outspeed if i run it with speed?

[wise knot]

Ursaluna (F) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 144 HP / 252 Atk / 24 SpD / 88 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Facade
• Headlong Rush
• Fire Punch
• Swords Dance

clefable is what this creeps

[lost sandal]

should i run this?

[wise knot]

yes

[lost sandal]

okay

anything else

[wise knot]

I could nitpick a few things but it should be fine

[lost sandal]

okay thanks

ive created like 30 teams till now lol

most of them dont work out haha

[ashen dove]

Is there a channel here where something like a top8/top16/top32 teams of comps are showcased?

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/944ebebbd257b3bf
what gambit evs

[tender pecan]

why tera ghost?

[lost sandal]

fighting?

[tender pecan]

fairy and flying cover that

[lost sandal]

could go tera fairy maybe

[tender pecan]

without making urself weak to other gambit

[lost sandal]

but what evs

[tender pecan]

252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

adamant or jolly

you can usually press the funny button in the teambuilder when you do your evs and it gives you something alright

[lost sandal]

yeah i know but run it offensive or bulky

[tender pecan]

ngl it depends on what ur team needs

both are good

if you want a more blanket check to more mons then bulky

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/944ebebbd257b3bf
as per this team?

[tender pecan]

I'd say offensive

there's also some other stuff here but I'll let someone else get into those details for you

[lost sandal]

mostly i run bulky cuz a lot of mons like bolt specifically run speed evs so running bulky just voids their speed investment

[spiral fable]

Zapdos feels pretty awkward here

Gking is a much better spdef pivot, as well as having good synergy with kyurem

Iffy about offensive cinderace as well, try bulky instead

[lost sandal]

okay

i think ill keep cinderace offensive

but ill change glowking

[ruby crest]

This literally just a sample team

[lost sandal]

aint no way fr?

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/f6d23af182294e5b

[spiral fable]

O neat

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[dusky kindle]

what is corviknight doing here exactly

definitely not a usual fit on hyper offense

[barren sparrow]

idk who else to use for hazards

[dusky kindle]

try great tusk 👍

or hatterene

but probably tusk

if you really want a steel then treads

[worthy compass]

Is running expert belt mixed valiant any good? Also can I sneak Encore into that as well?

[ruby crest]

i tried it early on home meta it was cool, but missing out on booster is such a trade off

[worthy compass]

The coverage is insane but idk how to run valiant outside of the regular set

[ruby crest]

tho fwiw these type of questions are better asked in #comp-general

[barren sparrow]

Alright will try those 3 tks

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/4317b3a8fda8c577
who do i add for last slot?

[tender pecan]

only finished teams go here ftr

[lost sandal]

oh i see

ty

[random wolf]

Gm
https://pokepast.es/f5386d97a9bb8ed1

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Drakloak instead of dragpult and corv instead of madibuzz

[lost sandal]

why no protean

[random wolf]

oops

No one will know

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[tender pecan]

what does flower shield do again

[surreal bloom]

Think that was a misclick eh

meant to be flower trick

[tender pecan]

didn't even notice flower trick was missing

[delicate shale]

DID BRO JUST SAY DRAKLOAK

[tender pecan]

Drakloak 🔥

dragon darts SUCKS

DRAGON RUSH FIRE

[random wolf]

mobile moment

[tender pecan]

fair enough

still have no clue wtf it does I think it blocks status for grass types

regardless uhhh

this is certainly balance

its pretty good

I'd honestly run np over focus blast on darkrai but thats because I don't like focus blast its still fine

[spiral fable]

where rocks

also you have zero spdef mons whats stopping darkrai from bowling this team over

or moth

you went for boots stack but then kinda backed out halfway, defog hurts you just as much as its hurts your opponents and you already have 5 mons that dont care much for hazards anyways

also mixed pult is a massive nuisance for this team

[random wolf]

Hm

Is there a way to fix or do I scrap

[spiral fable]

Dedicate to the hazard stack?

Ting Lu over gliscor, skarm over corv

[random wolf]

Got it

[spiral fable]

Either drop Zama or run a boots set

[random wolf]

https://pokepast.es/4c026fee4edbe32e so it'd look like this?

With rocks on lu

[wicked marlin]

https://pokepast.es/d11d799412ef17fb
Speaking of hazard stacking is this good? Or nah?

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[trail fossil]

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I don’t know if you can make a bulky offense grassy terrain team but I tried

[spiral fable]

Yeah

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[tender pecan]

uhhh

mega mawile

huh

is this for an older gen

or nat dex

[junior harness]

bruva this isnt hackmons, delphox does not have magic guard lmao

[idle stream]

This is for a brick bronze game

Called pbb

[junior harness]

then explain why are you posting a fangame format in OU?

OU = pbb

[idle stream]

Because there also oinin thaz game

[junior harness]

not equal

[junior harness]

if its totally different then its not the same format

[idle stream]

Ok

[junior harness]

!pixelmon

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[junior harness]

yeah

no fangames here, and fangame metas are beyond messed up anyways

[lost sandal]

aint no way bros asking for help about roblox in a competitive server

[tender pecan]

https://pokepast.es/27ac8d20d243a083 I suck at building spike stack ngl hence why help

[lost sandal]

step 1 : stealth rock
Step 2 : spikes
step 3 : knock off
step 4 : knock off absorber
step 5 : heavy duty boots 5/6
step 6 : gholdengo
step 7 : more mons

[tender pecan]

fun fact

thats quite literally what I did

another fun fact

its not performing well

like yeah ik the basic structure of a spike stack team but I think my sets or mons aren't doing it

[lost sandal]

gouging fire for dnite maybe. 2 quad weak 1 2x weak to ice

[tender pecan]

I was considering that

one annoying thing is that there's a lot of fairy weak stuff

there's also a lot of flying types here

well two

but both share a common weakness so kyurem becomes an issue

[lost sandal]

gouging fire could help out

[tender pecan]

it can work yeah

[lost sandal]

i dont see the point of dnite here tbh

[tender pecan]

sweeper

I have no offence if I drop it

[lost sandal]

gouging helps with your kyurem matchup

[tender pecan]

plus its the only thing with speed control

[lost sandal]

i think it runs ddance sets

gougin i mean

gouging is generally good on hazard stack

run bulky set with morning sun

[tender pecan]

but now I'm just wondering who I should slot priority on

I could run weavile ice shard

over meow

[gentle venture]

Glowking does not synergies with gliscor defensively tbh and ı think HS teams should run 2 knock of users imo one offensive one defensive but you should be fine anyways maybe you could try switching gliscor with skarmory it does the same thing and you could even run it with a phazing move to get maximum value out of hazards brave bird + roost + rocks + whirlwind works and unlike gliscor it can make progress

You still have a kyurem problem tho

Maybe running low kick on meowscarada could help ( weavile gets it too btw )

And like flip turn does nothing unless samurott is scarfed aqua jet or sucker punch are better if you end up needing fighting coverage sacred sword gets boosted by sharpness and is pretty good on scarf sets

[tender pecan]

I slapped on glowking as a special wall cause without it I don't rly have one

[gentle venture]

Yes what ı am saying is skarmory can set up rocks too and they synergies better defensively with glowking

[tender pecan]

Oh I read it as skarm over glowking

Mb

That does help my fairy problem

But kyurem is still an issue

I was considering primarina but idk who I'd swap it for

Or I could do sacred sword samurott and just tera out of the freeze dry weakness

Plus more fighting coverage

[gentle venture]

Weavile with low kick can ohko it and does not fear its ice stab it needs to tera to deal you decent damage with tera blast ground

But it cant switch into it repedatly

[tender pecan]

weavile over meow seems tempting

I have a fair few pivots

[tender pecan]

https://pokepast.es/5306e97e001f7b8b

sucker punch on samurott for priority

wondering what to drop on meow

[spiral fable]

You have no defensive core

This team struggles heavily into common balance breakers Kyurem (specifically mixed), Waterpon, and Darkrai

[tender pecan]

Yeah kyurem was the big issue

But not too sure what to do about it

I could use AV prim to help with kyurem and darkrai but both those interactions usually force a Tera

And waterpon still remains a problem

Also considering I have no removal av prim would get worn down quickly

Maybe moltres could be useful

But that's more physically defensive

[spiral fable]

This is just a weird structure for a balance team and I’m pretty iffy about it

[tender pecan]

Should I drop the more offensive oriented mons for bulkier options

Like making skarm the spiker and ting lu the rocker for instance

also should I put removal on anything

[spiral fable]

I don’t have a clean solution but yes going for a standard balance structure would at least help you with Darkrai

As long as you have knock absorbers and boots spam you don’t need removal

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/24690f96afcc7da0

first attempt at bulky hazard stack

yall fw it?

[tender pecan]

stuff like gliscor?

[spiral fable]

skarm is fine

[lost sandal]

gliscor knock absorber?

what

[tender pecan]

yeah

[spiral fable]

o yeah im also really iffy about gouging but theoretically should be fine ig

[lost sandal]

thats one of the mons that hates getting knocked off

[tender pecan]

it only needs toxic orb one time

[spiral fable]

i would definitely say gouging is your weak link tho

[lost sandal]

@spiral fable https://pokepast.es/24690f96afcc7da0
i tried making a bulky offense team

hows this

[spiral fable]

i know i saw the team

[lost sandal]

oh

okay

[tender pecan]

ah ok, would moltres be a better fit? it can spread burns and whatnot at is reasonably physically bulky but doesn't really help waterpon MU

[spiral fable]

well the issue is you need the offense gouging provides

[tender pecan]

yeah cause otherwise I rely only on hazard chip

[spiral fable]

i was thinking zamazenta (but then you're literally just running luna's team lol)

[tender pecan]

pretty much lol

[spiral fable]

idk gouging might work

try it out

[tender pecan]

I'll stick to it for now

and then ig drop hamurott for Ting lu

love hamurott but its a bit too aggressive for this team

[spiral fable]

suffers from most of the same issues Nocturne's did

6-0ed by waterpon, poor matchup into darkrai, etc etc

[lost sandal]

i didnt really see what you highlighted in his team sorry

[tender pecan]

her*

[lost sandal]

her

yes

[spiral fable]

not a big fan of the ival pick nor the gounging pick here

if you want a setup phaser zamazenta is like 30x better

[lost sandal]

ival just a solid knockoffer

[spiral fable]

yeah but its also a knocker that loses to gliscor

which you do not want

[lost sandal]

hmm

[spiral fable]

your defensive core actually isnt that bad (though swap out ghold's tera to a defensive one)

[lost sandal]

i saw tera ghost gliscor in a pinkacross video 😭

[spiral fable]

not a big fan of the lack of pivots, you could try to run hex pult over gouging

idk what gliscor has to do with ghold's tera

o yeah why is clef split defenses

any reason for the specific ivs?

if not, go full defense

[lost sandal]

meant dengo

[lost sandal]

yeah

[spiral fable]

tera ghost dengo is cool offensive but when ghold is your sole defensive spdef mon you need to run a defensve tera

[lost sandal]

i wanted it to absorb a setup rmoons knoc pretty well

while still being spdef

i could run max def too

[spiral fable]

unfortunately clef kinda gets folded by a lot of the spattackers in thetier

only beats val, you lose to kyurem moth wake darkrai

[tender pecan]

darkrai

I love being able to check dark types as a fairy

I wonder what coverage moves darkrai has

[lost sandal]

do i need a set up sweeper like dd pult in this team?

[spiral fable]

you already have gambit

[tender pecan]

dd pult is iffy btw

[lost sandal]

surely it doesnt get flash cannon

[tender pecan]

I've tried it before

[spiral fable]

swap val out for another knocker like wevaile or meow and drop gouging for hex pult then you're good to go

[tender pecan]

it doesn't it uses sludge bomb

[lost sandal]

utility pult?

[tender pecan]

like all the time

[spiral fable]

yes, hex status pult with uturn

[lost sandal]

i was considering meow but i saw how much of an ice weakness i have

weavile beats my team

pretty bad

[spiral fable]

you have gambit ghold?

[lost sandal]

i know

[spiral fable]

and clef

[lost sandal]

knock off

lowkick

[spiral fable]

clef

[lost sandal]

yeah clef the only check

[spiral fable]

yeah thats fine

[lost sandal]

also have 5 mons weak to weavile if i replace gouging with draga and get meow

[lost sandal]

oh ok

[spiral fable]

clef eats knock for days and threaten with moonblast

[lost sandal]

replace gouging with utility pult

and ival with meow?

[tender pecan]

yk tinkaton might be alright but I'll test that later

walls tf out of darkrai

[spiral fable]

meow or weavile

[lost sandal]

what do you recommend

[spiral fable]

meow

actually, weavile

you already have a pivot + weavile is better offense

[lost sandal]

i see

and for waterpon?

[spiral fable]

hex pult

[lost sandal]

that will be enough?

[spiral fable]

should be

[lost sandal]

which pult set

[spiral fable]

hex status with uturn

[lost sandal]

darts or meteor

[spiral fable]

darts

[lost sandal]

@spiral fable https://pokepast.es/8df3e4e58a2a50a5 fw this or should i run shard weavile

[spiral fable]

should be fine

if it isnt then yeah shard weavile

[lost sandal]

bet bet

[lost sandal]

completelyy unrelated but i like your pfp 🙏 😭

[spiral fable]

thanks, my friend drew it for me

[lost sandal]

also, tera ice on weavile without shard im not sure if thats great.. your thoughts?

[spiral fable]

tera fighting is another option, or tera dark

but tera ice should be fine

you still have boosted taxel

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[leaden temple]

https://pokepast.es/cf1aa63b7e27654a

Is this a good specs kyurem team?

[ruby crest]

This is a sample team, we don’t rate sample teams here fwiw sample teams are mainly good

[leaden temple]

Friend told me he made it himself 😭

[junior harness]

https://pokepast.es/90dd560fba7f80b0
Guys can I stack til they drop with this one?

I liek my good boi clodsire is it possible to keep it?

[gleaming edge]

does this team structure work? my mind was behind having skele+hydrapple as a breaking core and together with glowking be able to overwhelm even stall teams with clod+blissey

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[hasty dune]

Attempt two of making a Gouging Fire bulky offense team

[onyx halo]

https://pokepast.es/baf68c959893c5b6

I thinkt he team is solid

tho im a bit scared on weavile

plus a lot of ice coverage sometimes*

[wicked marlin]

Is Lando bulky support on this team?

[onyx halo]

yeah p much

helps shut down annoying pokemon with taunt

u turn to pivot

plus sets up rocks

[spiral fable]

seems like a solid team

cant find much to criticize

[wicked marlin]

Are you trying to hazard stack?

I see you have hisui sammo

[onyx halo]

Yeah I guess so

[onyx halo]

alright thanks

[wicked marlin]

The team really is soild, but if you really want to remove that ice weakness you could go for clefable. Clefable doesn't have taunt and honestly serves a different role however though.
Clefable gets knock off and stealth rock though, so it can still be bulky support, with moonlight + magic guard you could have longevity.

[spiral fable]

clef doesnt fit on bulky offense

[wicked marlin]

He said hazard stack

[onyx halo]

well its bo yeah

and hazard stacking is something I do in the team

its not even that heavy on hazard stack

[spiral fable]

its bulky offense with a side of spikes, basically

[tender pecan]

thats the neat thing about hamurott is that the spikes are just a pretty free click

you're doing pretty solid damage with ceaseless edge and anything that switches in doesn't rly matter because you still get up the spikes

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/124d6f40b199bd3b

how do i deal with iron treads

[tender pecan]

Moltres

[fierce basin]

Idk if I've ever seen a team so weak to gambit. I feel like you need to replace ghold w skarmory and just plan to outlast their removal and get them up again instead of blocking removal.

Im also not sure what the calm helmet clef is doing

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[spiral fable]

its best

(skarm over clef might be the play)

[fierce basin]

Yeah I was gonna say Skarm can go over clef instead

If he wants to keep ghold

[spiral sand]

Is this team I built any good? https://pokepast.es/5948786d1c308e2e
Wanted to build something that is not hyperoffense.

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[dusky kindle]

if you dont want HO i think veil is not the move

because veil only lasts a limited time it is best suited to the super fast pace of HO

that being said the rest of your core is solid

av samurott is questionable

[weary crypt]

Well as long as its in for a single turn before it's fine

[hasty dune]

https://pokepast.es/48cfffde1d5cb594

[crisp cloud]

https://pokepast.es/54c8108fc0280429 what should I add to or change about this team? @ruby crest

[junior harness]

Isnt dozo better on stall? or am i delusional?

[brave turtle]

counterpoint - quagsire stall hit rank 1

the justification is recover > rest means u don’t waste turns with sleep talk

although dozo is significantly bulkier and more reliable in checking physical threats

[junior harness]

what i meant was something else

i meant his team isnt a stall team

and looks way more like offense

[junior harness]

this

[brave turtle]

oh nvr mind i thought u were taking abt smthn else

but yea dozo is kinda doesn’t fit on that offense tho it can work on some balance

some of the sets aren’t the best like lefties on tusk or tera fire moth things like booster and tera grass/fairy work better

kyu doesn’t really fit too well on ho esp specs, maybe slot in valiant and then another ho mon like darkrai or rm

[weary crypt]

This channel really needs more enforcement on the 'don't yap endlessly and rate teams if you barely play the tier'

[spiral fable]

sniper made some good points?

[gusty crypt]

https://pokepast.es/1cfed97cd1b9d585

Wanted to try Maushold in a non-HO team, been liking it on the ladder so far. Garg and Glisc sets are not set in stone but the first four have felt good!

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[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/f4746be58644f31f

[tender pecan]

glowking does not belong on HO

[lost sandal]

just there as a safe pivot

[tender pecan]

you don't need safe pivots on HO lol

it just loses you momentum

and it alone cannot act as a defensive backbone

[lost sandal]

who do you recommend

[tender pecan]

a lead for one

[lost sandal]

glimmora i assume?

[tender pecan]

deo S glimmora ribombee alo ninetales hamurott to name a few

[lost sandal]

its always glimmora

[tender pecan]

its not always glimmora

[lost sandal]

mostly on ho

i kinda wanna try deoxys tho

[tender pecan]

not rly

Deo S is imo so take it with a grain of salt, by far the best HO lead

glimmora does have a few upsides

it has its own removal in the form of mortal spin, but imo deo S had a good MU into every other HO lead and most leads in general

its very hard to stop deo from setting up whatever it needs to

the only one it doesn't do well into is hamurott because it can't deny its hazards with taunt

[lost sandal]

is this decent

[tender pecan]

its fine yeah

[lost sandal]

ev spread i mean

[tender pecan]

I prefer running max hp but this is fine cause you have sash anyway

[lost sandal]

okay

anything else?

[tender pecan]

also tera ghost

you rarely blow tera on deo S but sometimes its needed

[lost sandal]

not tera fairy? i get tera ghost prevents the rapid spin and all but doesnt king still oof ghost as hard as it does psychic?

[tender pecan]

Deo S isn't really gonna stick around long enough to deal with their kingambit

its usually your first mon that goes down

while spinblocking helps in the event of a great tusk switch

in which case you just beat it with psycho boost

[gentle venture]

not really deoxys can outspeed and secure a KO ı dont know if this spread KOs treads but if it does not you can go for tera fighting

[tender pecan]

well this is lead deoxys

if it wants to keep hazards up ghost is gonna be ur best bet

the only removal you can't deny with taunt+tera ghost is mortal spin

and you deal with glimmora pretty easily

[gentle venture]

fair it is just ım not a fan of it tbh

[tender pecan]

if you wanna preserve deoxys for at some point later in the game other tera types do work

[lost sandal]

2hko

[tender pecan]

it depends how dedicated of a suicide lead you want deoxys to be

if you can save it for emergency speed control or potential setup denial with taunt later thats valid too, in which case ghost becomes less needed

since you can set up rocks again if you want

[gentle venture]

like tusk needs to tera to survive and you can stiil outspeed and ko it afterwards it is a fair trade for hazards imo

[lost sandal]

also should i go full spatk

or half half between atk spatk

[tender pecan]

not if you're running superpower

superpower with no attack investment on deo S doesn't do anything

remember deo S doesn't hit that hard

its attack is merely decent

[candid fog]

it's actually shit and salvaged by a boosting item and a viable +offense nature

And good moves

Like really good coverage moves

[tender pecan]

I still want to lie to myself and consider 90 to be decent dammit

[candid fog]

But the stat itself is dogshit lmao

[candid fog]

No :)

[tender pecan]

regardless yeah especially without stab superpower needs investment

[candid fog]

Yeah

[gentle venture]

ı mean it is for a mon that fast you will use it as a cleaner anyways

[tender pecan]

knock is a viable alternative

thats not rly used for the damage as much as its used for the item removal

mainly boots

[gentle venture]

it hits glowking tho otherwise you get walled by it

[lost sandal]

leaving deoxys

is other stuff good

[tender pecan]

yeah

glimmora is fine

has its own hazard removal

so helps against leads like ribombee

[lost sandal]

no i mean in my team

[tender pecan]

yeah its fine glimmora is a HO staple

can be both as a lead and as a sweeper btw

although if you use offensive glimmora webs is preferred, unless you wanna try and set up rock polish

[lost sandal]

im using deoxys tho

[tender pecan]

glimmora then as an offensive mon is

whilst not bad its inconsistent

high risk high reward, can be kinda threatening late game and also punishes physical attackers with toxic debris

but its pretty tera reliant as it doesn't always run stab

[lost sandal]

okay

[tender pecan]

otherwise uhhh

scarf enam is specific and was kinda best on that sample team

[lost sandal]

what sample team

[tender pecan]

it was a cleaner/revive button with healing wish

the dark spam team

otherwise its not that great

its a decent cleaner but its tera reliant if you're using stellar

and specs pult is similarly not the best on HO

[lost sandal]

what

specs pult not good on HO

[tender pecan]

no

[lost sandal]

okay

[tender pecan]

choiced mons are usually not on HO teams to begin with

[lost sandal]

what if i use ival for enam and hd boots pult for this one

[tender pecan]

pult lacks good setup to be that great on HO

ddance sets are merely a gimmick and otherwise it relies on its natural attack stat which is fine but there's better options

[lost sandal]

hd boots pult?the one with wisp

[tender pecan]

no physical ghost stab aside from phantom force really sucks for physical pult

[tender pecan]

yeah thats not rly gonna be on HO

HO game plan is very simple

get up hazards or screens

and 5 sweepers

anything that can't become immeadietly threatening after a turn is simply too slow due to the lack of a defensive backbone

take too much time and your sweepers get worn down and your team begins to crumple

especially booster energy mons who get much less effective if they're forced out

dragapult is a weirdly designed mon where its attack stat is great but its physical movepool isn't

you can maybe try it as a fast pivot to keep momentum with things like u turn ddarts and sucker punch

maybe tera blast fire or something in the last slot to beat kingambit

or fighting

idk maybe that could be decent but I haven't tried that myself

[lost sandal]

sooo

what your saying is

that its shite

[tender pecan]

you can experiment with it

its the second fastest mon in the tier

it might need a damage boosting item tho

[lost sandal]

no im talking about my team

[tender pecan]

if you wanna stick to whats well established, darkrai is very good as per always

[tender pecan]

its just not HO

but we can change that

[lost sandal]

i mean

[tender pecan]

cause you have kingambit and gouging fire, both are fine

[lost sandal]

i dont need it to be HO per se

i just need it to be viable

[tender pecan]

well the team is called HO

[lost sandal]

idrc about archetypes

[tender pecan]

so I'm gonna make suggestions to make it HO

[lost sandal]

but is the team viable

forget that its hyperoffense

does it meet the basic requirements to be a good team

https://pokepast.es/497b578bc559a67f

[tender pecan]

well its not bad persay

but the one issue in general is that if this isn't HO then slowking alone won't be enough of a defensive backbone

[lost sandal]

yeah

i changed it to deoxys

speed

[tender pecan]

well then now the team has no defensive backbone

I suggested deoxys speed on the persumption that you wanted an HO team

a team needs to have a somewhat definable archetype for it to work

and this team does have a mild case of being mauled by darkrai if you're not going all in on HO

[lost sandal]

lets say its HO

then i change pult and enam to what

[tender pecan]

IV, Darkrai, Waterpon potentially, Zamazenta, Gholdengo could work dnite, booster energy iron crown

there's a lot of options

also if this is HO tusk should be booster energy

and should have bulk up somewhere

[lost sandal]

i thought you said no booster energy set

on stuff like hyper offense

[tender pecan]

I said usually no choice mons

booster energy sets are pretty much designed for stuff like HO since you don't wanna switch once you've come in

[lost sandal]

oh lmao

[tender pecan]

they can be used elsewhere its just that they're perfectly good on HO too

use the standard smogon set for offensive bulk up, tusk is fine, but its evs are very specific

cause its booster speed

and then uses bulk up to increase attack

[lost sandal]

wat do you recommend?

[tender pecan]

for great tusk?

Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Jolly Nature

• Bulk Up
• Headlong Rush
• Ice Spinner
• Rapid Spin

you can swap rapid spin for knock or close combat

but rapid spin is fine

[lost sandal]

no for the general team

[tender pecan]

well I say drop dpult and enam for one of the mons mentioned here, I'd say zamazenta darkrai or IV cause they're fast and this needs a bit more speed

and then swap the tusk set around

and then boom, standard HO core

[lost sandal]

i could go all out attacker zaza and darkrai maybe but that makes me HELLA weak to fairy

[tender pecan]

in that case gholdengo can be an option

[lost sandal]

yes

[tender pecan]

you could also drop one of your two other attackers for something like wellspring

it can tera in the face of a big special move if you need to

and also gives you some type coverage

[lost sandal]

i tried to build this team around gouging fire

[lost sandal]

wellspring doesnt exactly come into this team

king provides priority

tusk is my rapid spinner

[tender pecan]

wellspring is more specific than most

[lost sandal]

gouging is the mon i built around

[tender pecan]

HO doesn't always need removal

offensive mons are the mons that care the least about hazards

since their bulk is already feeble at best

so some HO teams just straight up ignore hazards even being there

because it doesn't disrupt the game plan

[lost sandal]

i see,

[tender pecan]

not that hazards aren't a nuiscance, they're still not great

but they're manageable

HO can also exist with removal too, particularly if your sweepers are weak to rocks

[lost sandal]

would you say mine are

only gouging is

[tender pecan]

and gouging has boots

so ur fine

[lost sandal]

so tusk -> ogerpon
enam -> ival
dragapult -> gholdengo

this gets swept by rm

no?

[tender pecan]

val outspeeds roaring and can ohko it

gouging can tera out of its bad MU with it and also dent it hard

[lost sandal]

not if moon is tera/booster speed

[lost sandal]

tru tru

[tender pecan]

thats if it manages to preserve booster

if you find it problematic you can keep tusk or maybe slot zama somewhere

zama eats it for days

[lost sandal]

?

acrobatics no?

[tender pecan]

acrobatics will not kill you

without a boost anyway

and assuming you have dauntless shield

[lost sandal]

cant really fit zaza in here

who do i slot it for

[tender pecan]

maybe val

[lost sandal]

i wanna use val

[tender pecan]

zama can fit in a lot of teams its very good

[lost sandal]

tru tru

[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/cfb536f796ea617b

@tender pecan

[tender pecan]

Trailblaze Ogerpon is eh, horn leech or power whip is better, also drop twave and hex on ghold

Nasty plot and shadow ball instead, recover is fine but you need to pick whether you can use recover or lose to gambit or great tusk

Focus blast for gambit over recover, or dazzling gleam for tusk over recover

And respective tera types as a result

Recover is also fine for longevity

And it means you can click make it rain more often

psyshock also means you beat stallmons like blissey

if you want that

and is still good into tusk

[lost sandal]

focus blast probably better

[tender pecan]

focus blast does just beat kingambit so yeah

but all are valid

[tropic ice]

https://pokepast.es/f9bb1c25c8d49b9c

[crisp cloud]

https://pokepast.es/70911cb090cb2447
@tender pecan

[tender pecan]

I'm not a rater so do take the things I say with a grain of salt but I'll give my two cents ig

First and foremost what team structure is this

Because this looks like HO the most

[crisp cloud]

Ye HO

[tender pecan]

Ah alright well I'm a bit busy atm but I'll say a couple things

[crisp cloud]

Alr

[tender pecan]

I said the same with immortal above, HO likes dedicated leads, this team doesn't have one, all these mons are fine on HO otherwise but you still would probably need to drop one, which one is up to you and will depend on what you feel weakest towards atm

scarf ghold can work on HO but if you want to use it trick is mandatory, this can make a mon like Ting Lu, Gliscor, Skarmory and most defensive mons in the tier much less effective, this also gives your team an emergency answer to most defensive mons, if you don't trick your scarf to anything I'd reserve it as a late game cleaner role or a breaker, you could also just not run scarf ghold and use its offensive np set

tusk's set is too passive for HO so swap to offensive bulk up set on smogon dex

play rough over knock on waterpon, it allows you to deal with mons like dnite and roaring moon

otherwise this looks ok

[gusty crypt]

Any feedback on this?

[tender pecan]

your team is Balance or BO?

actually wait you posted this on forums

imma read that first to see your thought process for everything

this looks fine I do worry about hazards tho, also spikes would help a lot with offensive pressure

maushold is fine with removal n stuff but because it lacks boots it can't come in repatedly and since its your premiere offensive mon it probably doesn't wanna come in and out to keep hazards off

you can run boots on some other stuff like garg and swap in recover for healing

also one very bad MU is skarmory and corv

no one here can hit them for super effective and both can run rocky helmet, punishing maushold severely

if you lose pult those two can really wear you down

[gusty crypt]

It’s somewhere in between I think, I can usually have enough pressure so that hazards go up only once, max twice. Yeah Corv has given me some grief but I have been able to Twave and use Pult to manage, but tbh I haven’t seen it a lot. What would you suggest to combat that?

[tender pecan]

yeah I figured it was between balance and stall cause it did look like that, one way to combat the two would be flamethrower on glowking

but the thing is if you do that you then lose a consistent way of dealing with lando

who also runs rocky helmet a lot and maushold hates that

you'd have to fall back on gliscor to deal with it

aside from that, you can force roosts out of them with salt cure, or using a mon with taunt somewhere

rilla does get taunt to try and shut them down but then you drop AV

I'd say wait for a rater, but for now I think having a fire or electric move somewhere can shore up that glaring weakness of the team for now

[gusty crypt]

Thanks for the feedback, I’ll look into it and test something out 🙂

[tender pecan]

yw

[tropic ice]

I feel kinda like I want a spinblocker or something now

[brisk bear]

https://pokepast.es/7f3294271e85a8dc

I'm fairly new to team building and wanted to see what sort of misty terrain team i could make. My main though process was what pokemon I hated getting burnt with or paralysed with

[tropic ice]

There’s a bit of anti-synergy between ice spinner dnite and misty terrain

[tender pecan]

also why exactly do you want misty terrain

[brisk bear]

most people at my part of the ladder (low) dont know what it does lmao

so i get free turns all the time

[tender pecan]

well yeah but once you climb a bit it becomes redundant

especially because, to put it bluntly

galarian weezing is bad

[brisk bear]

ok

[tender pecan]

its primary niche is a defogger that isn't blocked by ghold and has neutralising gas

so misty terrain just, makes that useless

and even then that niche is small by nature of galarian weezing being weak to make it rain

it has decent traits and is on the VR so its usable but a terrain setter isn't that niche

if you're gonna build around terrain, rillaboom is significantly better

and grassy terrain does give your team some offensive benefits too unlike misty terrain which doesn't

[brisk bear]

i understand

that makes sense

[tender pecan]

there are a fair few grassy terrain teams

most of them exploit mons like hawlucha with grassy seed to become an unburden sweeper

but you can also just run terrain by proxy of having rillaboom and your team doesn't need to center around it which is a useful trait

[brisk bear]

that sounds cool i might try using one of those then

do you know good grassy terrain sample teams?

[tender pecan]

I'll try and find you one

[brisk bear]

tysm ❤️

[tropic ice]

If you wanna stick with terrain, you could also try eterrain, though take that with a grain of salt, since I’m not sure how it fairs theses days, and pincurchion is kinda mid

[brisk bear]

im watching a video on terrains rn and so far most of it has just been hating on pincurchion 💀

[tropic ice]

I think the rising voltage distribution change hurt it a decent amount

[tender pecan]

https://pokepast.es/35640cba297760fb this got to top 500 on ladder a while ago maybe someone else has a more recent one tho

ik there's one someone made with ursa

[brisk bear]

ty ill give it a go

[tender pecan]

unfortunately pincurchin is bad

like horrendously bad

mild case of no numbers

[spiral sand]

Is there anything wrong with the team I built? https://pokepast.es/713c28172ccc765b

[tropic ice]

Bump

[tender pecan]

This looks ok but you have no good answer to something like waterpon

Also I'm personally not a huge fan of cm clef but it is a set

I'm not the best with these kinds of teams so I won't say too much lest I say something wrong

[tropic ice]

Waterpon is a good point. Skarm would have to do some heavy lifting as it stands

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[junior harness]

did i cook with this boospam team?

bootspam

[tender pecan]

Team name is inaccurate, cause gliscor has toxic orb not boots, 0/10

Jokes aside, ice fang on zama isn't very good

It helps with Lando t and gliscor but not running crunch means gholdengo walls you and ice fang doesn't do that much to dpult

Wait sorry you do have heavy slam

It's 4am lol mb

Usually the standard is play rough since it's just a stronger move that's better into dpult and tusk than ice fang but if you wanna hit gliscor n Lando then up to you

I just personally think the bp of ice fang simply isn't worth it

[worthy compass]

Wdyt Heavy slam or iron head? Feels like there's so many heavy Tera fairies (most relevant ones are gambit and raging neck) that heavy slam doesn't hit them enough

[tender pecan]

Heavy slam is good for mons like clefable and iron val

Iron head is a viable alternative though

Since it's more consistent

[worthy compass]

Doesn't iron head one tap val? I coulda sworn it did lol

[tender pecan]

I'm not sure tbh

Both are usable

[worthy compass]

Just did the calcs and it doesnt

[tender pecan]

Yeah that's the thing

Cause zama can't boost it's attack it needs all the base power it can get

[worthy compass]

Both are 2 hits but slam does 10-20 more

[tender pecan]

Iron head can flinch so

That helps

Unless it's booster speed in which case a Tera is probably forced out of you

[worthy compass]

True. Wait I need a rmt actually. You mind giving mine a look?

[tender pecan]

I should go back to sleep but sure

[worthy compass]

EU?

[tender pecan]

Middle East

But yeah drop the team if you want I'll say one or two things then I'll probably go

[worthy compass]

Np. Just pokepasting it

https://pokepast.es/10107a60a151bf8a

this version with a deo-s

https://pokepast.es/eede23016bb5622b

[tender pecan]

Hmm ok I could go into more detail but I'll keep it brief cause I'm hella tired

Heavy duty boots on dnite, it's basically mandatory so you don't lose multiscale to rocks, speaking of I'd be careful about running your own hazards alongside court change cinderace, you don't want to invalidate your only removal, I don't like the lack of sludge bomb on glowking no stab does make it pretty passive and future sight is more of a progress maker than an active threat yk, and also this has a bit of a lobsided team structure, it feels like BO but the B part of that is a bit lacking ting lu is fine but isn't a particularly potent attacker and usually just throws up hazards to make progress

Meanwhile you have mons like dnite and Ogerpon wellspring which aren't the most frail but aren't gonna be something you rely on as defensive pieces yk

Like this can really really struggle into darkrai

It's standard coverage hits everyone here except waterpon with a Tera which again, isn't what you wanna depend on just to beat one mon

Anyway I'm gonna go now

Hope that helped a bit

[worthy compass]

thanks it did

[tropic ice]

https://pokepast.es/640d6f400917b55d probably a dumb idea (replacing cm clef)

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[lost sandal]

https://pokepast.es/ef58df0e3b812ac8
cool pog team

@tender pecan

..

[gentle venture]

so what is the game plan here cause rilla seems pretty random here

[lost sandal]

rilla is my priority mon, as well as provides grassy terrain which both zaza and ursaluna benefit from

[gentle venture]

yeah but none of the mons here abuse the terrain

[lost sandal]

healthy regenaration is all the terrain's for tbh

[gentle venture]

like tusk doesnt like it with earthquake being its stab

[lost sandal]

its headlong rush therefore

oh nvm i mistakenly wrote eq

[gentle venture]

okay ı am seeing that you wanted to run bulky gholdengo it likes to abuse grassy seed

oh btw you dont have much answers against fast special attackers

[gentle venture]

Gholdengo @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD / 104 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Recover
• Nasty Plot

this was made by leng loi for its GS team

its pretty bulky if you would like to run it

[lost sandal]

okay

[gentle venture]

while swords dance ursaluna is okay you could try the bulk up variations it makes it much more harder to revenge kill

we need something to patch the special side btw

but ım not really sure

[lost sandal]

glowking/primarina for dengoat?

[gentle venture]

they do definetly work

ı would go for primarina tbh

[lost sandal]

av primarina?? or we could actually go av iron crown too

[gentle venture]

av crown likes strong removal options

and it doesnt really synergies with gholdengo

[lost sandal]

we are removing dengo i thought

[gentle venture]

hey btw you could ping spidget if you want ı know he likes to use grasyy terrain and he is good at it

[lost sandal]

@fierce basin https://pokepast.es/ef58df0e3b812ac8
can you help me with this team please

[gentle venture]

like normally ı would suggest hawlucha too it is amazing on GS but at that point we would remake the team altogether

[lost sandal]

hmmm

tis a tough question

i think removing dengo for av crown seems like a good play

[gentle venture]

nah dengo is fine imo

[lost sandal]

we need a bit more firepower and more bulk do we not

specially defensive bulk

[fierce basin]

U don't have any terrain abusers
I'll come back and look closely when I'm at my PC later

And tusk has eq

[lost sandal]

i meant headlong

[gentle venture]

ı mean some mons here like the softer eqs but doesnt really matter since tusk is everywhere

[lost sandal]

when you mean terrain abusers, you refer to hawlucha and?

[gentle venture]

generally grassy seed users

[lost sandal]

isnt grassy seed temporary and cheesy

i could run grassy seed zazamenta

that would be cool

[tropic ice]

Can also be strong grasses that take advantage of the terrain boost

[gentle venture]

nah hatterne dengo etc set up sweepers seed makes them bulky enough so they can set calm minds or nasty plots

[lost sandal]

raging bolt cm set?

[gentle venture]

again spidget knows it better than me he would return to you

[gentle venture]

it can definetly work

just be wary of tusk

but what makes it good on dengo and hatterne is they can recover with recover/draining kiss

but ı can see it working on bolt

[fierce basin]

Not too useful since zama already has high defense

Bolt does work sure

Zama would abuse a misty seed

But yeah hatterene ghold prim volc (rip) latias etc

I've slapped and used seeds on all of these

[lost sandal]

prim might be a decent shout

who do i replace it with

[fierce basin]

Maybe ghold and I'd try making the bear a seed lucha

I'd also make tusk speed booster bulk up

And rillaboom banded

Glhf

[lost sandal]

ty

[fierce basin]

If you miss the steel typing cause you feel 6-0d by moonblast I like heatran on gterrain sometimes

[gleaming edge]

https://pokepast.es/c6f87f18ddc02db4

[lost sandal]

could also go like a iron crown with cm grassy seed

[fierce basin]

Sure if you want

I've used seed crown in natdex I'm sure it's fine here

[lost sandal]

speaking of

@fierce basin https://pokepast.es/1c0a39436fcd6093 i made this team too

[fierce basin]

Again I'll come back and look when I'm at pc instead of phone

[lost sandal]

ooki

[sly mauve]

Araquanid @ Choice Band
Ability: Water Bubble
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Brave Nature

• Crunch
• Liquidation
• Leech Life
• Poison Jab

Cresselia @ Mental Herb
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Lunar Dance
• Thunder Wave
• Trick Room
• Ice Beam

Mimikyu @ Leftovers
Ability: Disguise
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Taunt
• Trick Room
• Protect
• Play Rough

Torkoal @ Choice Specs
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Eruption
• Solar Beam
• Earth Power
• Ancient Power

Ursaluna @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Facade
• Ice Punch
• Swords Dance
• Headlong Rush

Scizor @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dual Wingbeat
• Close Combat
• Defog
• Knock Off

trick room team that i made, what are your thoughts?

[tender pecan]

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[tender pecan]

@sly mauve

[lost sandal]

@fierce basin you home?

[sly mauve]

ohh ic

https://pokepast.es/445d79a0699a4174

[tender pecan]

yeah this is, gimmicky to say the least

TR is generally an inconsistent strategy in singles due to how limited the number of turns are, but this isn't helped by some of your mons

Mimikyu is just plain bad its not even ranked on the VR power creep has not been kind to it at all and without swords dance its damage is poultry

Araquanid isn't great either, locking into any move can be seriously punished, for instance locking into liquidation is completely stopped by waterpon and other bulky waters like dondozo, even walking wake despite it not being particularly defensive crunch can be punished by zama or the various vairy types who then gets setup opportunities, etc etc

whilst scizor is certainly usable, it is on offence teams as a swords dancer, or potentially a hdbpivot, your lack of stab on it hurts and its exploitable as a defog user by pokes like gholdengo who can force you to give up momentum which is the opposite of what you want to do on TR teams, its lack of a pivoting move can hamper your momentum loss further

Torkol isn't the worst thing but has anti synergy with araquanid, also hazards hurt it loads, a lot of this team relies a lot on scizor keeping hazards off which can be exploited accordingly

TR can work, but this has a lot of weak points that can be exploited, typically teams that run TR in singles have some mons that can work outside of it so they're not fully dependent on it

[sly mauve]

aight thanks, im planning on subbing out mimikyu for hatterene

[tender pecan]

oh yeah this team is super weak to darkrai

TR is your lifeline here which is a glaring weakness

I'd swap out a couple of your TR attackers for generally more consistent options if you wanna keep the TR idea

[spiral fable]

your setter should be hatterene

else you lose to any taunter/encore mon

[tender pecan]

they have mental herb cress but yeah hatterene better

idk if two setters are worth it, especially when one is mimikyu

TR teams do like kingambit, since its poor speed becomes its benefit and when TR goes down it still has sucker punch

[sly mauve]

oh i forgot kingambit existed

i can sub araquanid with that

[tender pecan]

I'd say thats a good idea

I'd throw U turn on scizor somewhere

and Torkoal should probably be boots, so you can maintain a max power eruption in TR

[sly mauve]

i could do some damage calculations

to see if i really need choice specs or not

[spiral fable]

i would recommen dropping scizor honestly

you just have better options

you can go for an out of troom speed/scarfer to clean up like val, you can use bolt, you can use calm mind primarina, etc

[sly mauve]

hmmmm

yes i will consider them ty

[tropic ice]

Bump

[fierce basin]

okay,
first off, I'd try banded rillaboom over extender, and I've added some bulk to your rillaboom as I think max speed on it is unnecessary . You outpace gliscor and the rest is dumped into hp
Hawlucha doesn't need full speed invest it's a fast af unburden guy. 124 speed is enough, the additional bulk granted to you lets you survive a make it rain from ghold
I dont think that iron valiant fits here, you dont lack speed control and have priority. Replaced it with grassy seed hatterene to take advantage of terrain as well as provide additional hazard control
glimmora is fine, I don't think terrain teams really need a suicide lead, you could make it a fast taunt helmet lando to stop opposing glimmoras but that's just preference
after removing valiant it gets kinda scary vs gambit aside from your encore lucha, so I made your ursaluna a speed booster bulk up tusk. If you feel comfortable still vs kingambit you can try keeping ursaluna but im changing it in the paste. Tera poison so you have a fake fairy resist
hope this helps good luck and have fun
updated paste https://pokepast.es/2772d3bd120130c9
no need to ping me asking if I'm home I said I'd get to it when I was here remember anyone replying here is a volunteer. Hope you have a good rest of your day

[tropic ice]

Idly considering swapping to av glowking. Might just be the way I’m playing, but I don’t really find myself clicking chilling reception or wave

[lost sandal]

so sorry, thank u for ur time

thought u forgot

[fierce basin]

I forgot to mention but on this team in particular you can try mystical fire hatt over nuzzle to break through ghold for lucha

[tropic ice]

Maybe Tera grass gliscor helps vs waterpon

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/5636ea925e342b12

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/56bdbab8cc63fe03 what does this need?

[fast island]

https://pokepast.es/acf1857e7d9f310a

[fast island]

Something is missing here and I don't know what

[gentle venture]

give lati draining kiss or aura sphere otherwise it gets walled by dark types skarmory likes to run water or dragon you can replace toxic with knock off on gliscor for progress

[gentle venture]

grassy terrain but no terrain abusers double choice item is not good imo pults set is subpar anyway and you have protect with specs

[fast island]

I forgot to remove protect lmao

[gentle venture]

anyway ogerpon can't break through anything with that set btw trailblaze swords dance exists but this set aint it

[fast island]

https://pokepast.es/d7177d6733498568

I changed it up a bit

Is it better?

Thunder meant to be Thunderbolt

Misclick

[gentle venture]

okay so first of all gholdengo can run choice items but it generally likes to run scarf to outspeed opponents and runs trick in the last slot to cripple defensive walls dont use nasty plot gholdengo is actually pretty decent as a bulky nasty plot user in the terrain with grassy seed

rilla can run AV but dont run earthquake its power gets cut in the half by terrain and fake out is used in the doubles to disrupt opponent it does nothing in singles

your general rilla set set is wood hammer + glide + your choice of moves depends on the set

[fast island]

I see

[fast island]

How about my Ogrepon tho?

Is it good or nah?

[tender pecan]

Scarf ghold does occasionally run nasty plot or recover since it tricks off the scarf a lot of the time

[gentle venture]

well spiky shield is not a really good move in singles it is mainly used in doubles it is much better as either play rough to hit dragons or encore to annoy walls like skarmory and stuff

[fast island]

I see

My team was originally meant for doubles, but I realised I'm not ready yet, so I'm pretty sure I just forgot to change my moves

[gentle venture]

the thing is this team doesnt really feel like terrain team tbh you can just replace rilla with some defensive wall and it becomes a balance (?) team

[fast island]

I use Rillaboom as a form of speed control so eh

[gentle venture]

like no seed abusers no unburden users

[gentle venture]

fair but there is better priority users than rilla

[fast island]

I'm pretty sure suckerpunch gambit can also work

But it's not very reliable

[gentle venture]

oh btw run boots on glowking

leftovers is not worth it

[fast island]

Ok

[gentle venture]

if you want to use a terrain team ı advice you to use a sample you can find one in the smogon forums RMT section look out for the high ELO ones

[fast island]

I don't like terrain teams but just in case I'll dabble in them I'll keep this in mind

[fast island]

https://pokepast.es/0a62ccf583882ebb
So I changed up my team a bit

There's a lot of purple in team huh

[gentle venture]

its better but dont run life orb dragapult you can just make it specs and replace darts with meteor

[fast island]

There's a reason why I called him a kamazaki plane

[gentle venture]

tusk is a problem since it can hit both your walls without a worry

make it tera normal dragon dance

[fast island]

My Dragonite?

[gentle venture]

yes otherwise ice spinner tusk gives you a problem and extreme speed dragonite gives you a strong priority

[fast island]

I see

[fast island]

Also I genuinely don't trust Draco meteor

So I think I'm going band instead

[gentle venture]

you can just run boots pivot pult

[fast island]

Hit hard and get out kind of style?

[gentle venture]

it also spreads burn

[fast island]

Basically be annoying against the enemy team?

I mean it can work sort of like a dragon type lokix

[gentle venture]

yes btw dont run play rough and encore at the same time

[fast island]

Why?

[gentle venture]

slot power whip or horn leech somewhere

[fast island]

Ok

[gentle venture]

dondozo walls you without a problem or alo

[fast island]

I see

It is done

[gentle venture]

btw toxic spikes is not good on glowking if you dont want to run future sight you can run slack off / flamethrower / surf depending on your needs

[fast island]

I used to run surf

[gentle venture]

since any grounded poison can clean it by just switching in

[fast island]

So I guess I'll slap that back on

[gentle venture]

it deals with moth and discourages gliscor from switching in

[fast island]

That is also done

[gentle venture]

flamethrower is there for the steel types that can switch in it without a worry

[fast island]

https://pokepast.es/57810fcb3a1e39fc

[fast island]

I thought steel was weak to water?

[gentle venture]

its neutral

btw run DD instead of air slash

[fast island]

I have fire punch on Dragonite Tho

[fast island]

OK fixed

[gentle venture]

one last thing Hex instead of flamethrower

[fast island]

Hex on Glowking?

[gentle venture]

pult

[fast island]

Ok

[gentle venture]

smogon have the preferred sets btw you can just look from there

[fast island]

https://pokepast.es/be75522f5975b808

[fast island]

Welp, here's all the new changes

frick

I replied to the wrong message

[gentle venture]

ok thats fine kyurem could be a problem you could change toxic with thunderwave and pivot into gholdengo to deal with it also run tera fairy on dengo it boosts dazzling and fairy is pretty good as a defensive typing

[fast island]

Oddly enough I used to run thunderwave

[gentle venture]

it is a good speed control option

[ebon ember]

What about this team

[gentle venture]

dont run weavile and moltres without HDB if you dont have very strong hazard removal like tusk/treads + hatterne/cinderace also alo doesnt do much here if you want to use a regenerator pivot run glowking also slot u turn on moltres

instead of air slash

also dragapult and moltres has pretty weird tera types

pult likes either dragon to boost its dragon darts or fairy as a defensive typing

and moltres can run water/fairy as defensive teras

ı prefer grass tho it deals with ogerpon

also treads runs a offensive tera although it doesnt have any attack invesment

and if you want to run band weavile run low kick on it instead of crash it deals with kyurem

btw you can just get rid of treads and go for boot spam although you will need to run a knock off absorber instead of treads

[gentle venture]

clef works

[gentle venture]

oh btw ı forget something dragonite likes to run boots to preserve its multiscale otherwise its defensive sets doesnt really work

[fast island]

Noted

[ebon ember]

https://pokepast.es/8b8e37e4b19724b9 how about now

I changed things

Counter to raging bolt too

[gentle venture]

better imo

skarmory can deal with gouging with tera too and pult can work as a semi spin blocker although ı didnt get which one is the bolt counter

[ebon ember]

Toxic on king

It walls + getting of status

[gentle venture]

oh didnt see that

btw move your evs into defence on moltres glowking can handle itself fine

if you end up having trouble with bulky waters you can change skarmory with tera blast ground serperior it was fine

it synergies good with weavile

[tropic ice]

Coverage > sub, I assume? Also, what do you think of av glowking over the pivot?

[gentle venture]

ım not a fan of the AV glowking tbh

you can drop sub but you have to tera to dodge the toxic

[gentle venture]

you can run draining kiss for recovery but recover is more consistent

also latias likes to run agility in stored power sets