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tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:21 AM

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dark yeah for stronger suckers

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black glasses + tera + sd + supreme overlord sucker punch is brutal

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get a few reads right and you straight up take back the game

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:22 AM

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So which would you pick

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Tera

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:22 AM

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flying is to dodge ground and also fighting, fairy is just very defensively sound

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:22 AM

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ashen dove So which would you pick

depends on the set

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:23 AM

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💀

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:23 AM

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fighting is used, these are just the smogon sample sets

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naturally some logical stuff applies, lum berry + tera fire isn't usually used

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etc

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:24 AM

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Bulky is better than offensive no? Bulky is overall superior and only loses to other Kingambits acc. to me

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:24 AM

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it does mean you're not forced to use tera tho

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they're both great

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offensive is a nightmarishly strong reverse sweeper

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I can speak from personal experience

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and the bulky set acts as a pretty stonewall check to a lot of pokemon

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well not stonewall

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:25 AM

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Offensive and bulky have the same atk stat tho, the speed is irrelevant because it's slow as balls anyway

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:25 AM

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it does check a lot of stuff and give you more setup

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speed is specifically to outspeed other gambit

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the speed does matter

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:26 AM

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Only against other gambits tho, in every other scenario bulky is just better

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:26 AM

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and also max speed investment gambit can break down a lot of slower mons which 44 speed doesn't

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:26 AM

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tender pecan and also max speed investment gambit can break down a lot of slower mons which 4...

Real? Like what

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The only strong slow mon I know other than gambit is raging bolt, idk it's speed tho

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:28 AM

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tbf you're not using them in the same way

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offensive is a late game demon while bulky comes in several times

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:29 AM

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And skarmory, forgot about skarmory, saw a few pure stall teams, never won once, I genuinely hate stall

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:30 AM

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you put speed as high as possible just to outpriority other gambit and also you want ur more offensive gambit to be fast

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tbh either are good as a late game cleaner just one can output more damage with black glasses or something

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:31 AM

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ashen dove And skarmory, forgot about skarmory, saw a few pure stall teams, never won once,...

HO can struggle into stall if you don't immediately get momentum going

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stall really messes up the booster mons as it can force them out several times and make them much weaker

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:31 AM

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Back to gouging fire tho, what should I use instead of dragon tail

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:31 AM

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earthquake

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or drgaon claw

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:31 AM

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Cool

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:31 AM

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up to you

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both are fine

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hell breaking swipe is real

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it fulfils that purpose of dealing with opposing sweepers while not going last

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as long as the sweeper is physical

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:32 AM

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I think dragon claw would be better, I got fire move for steel and fairies.

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:33 AM

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tender pecan hell breaking swipe is real

What's breaking swipe

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I'll check

viral sableBOT Jul 28, 2024, 10:33 AM

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Breaking Swipe (Gen 9)

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP

15 (24)

Priority

0

Target

AllAdjacentFoes

Flags

Blocked by protection moves.
Can be copied by Mirror Move.
Makes contact.

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 10:33 AM

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it depends whether you want to make it more of a bulky setup attacker or offensive

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bulky sets can run breaking swipe for again, beating other setup sweepers

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 10:36 AM

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Can I not use the recoil fire move and just use breaking swipe and earthquake? Along with DD and morning sun

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If I Tera fairy, those two will take care of most checks.
But I feel like I'll lose the big payoff of booster DD set. A big "I win" move

grave ginkgo Jul 28, 2024, 10:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/19fba3b07b03ff80
my webs team can i do anything to make it bettr

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tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 11:43 AM

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I'd drop manaphy

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if ur gonna stored power shenanigans at least run tail glow

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manaphy also just isn't super great

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most webs teams want ghold since keeping webs up is crucial

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 12:21 PM

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tender pecan if ur gonna stored power shenanigans at least run tail glow

They run take heart no?

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To keep it healthy

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 1:24 PM

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Take heart swaps stats

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You're thinking of pain split

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Wait

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No ur right

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That's heart swap lol

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Whoops

ashen dove Jul 28, 2024, 3:09 PM

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Saw it in a pokeaim video, bro was running acid defence(?)+take heart along with scald and stored power.

spiral fable Jul 28, 2024, 3:51 PM

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Double dance manaphy was seeing usage earlier this gen but it’s fallen out of favor

tender pecan Jul 28, 2024, 3:56 PM

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weren't people talking about a manaphy suspect or thinking it was broken when it was first came back

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coulda sworn some people wanted that

quick bluff Jul 28, 2024, 7:35 PM

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double dance manaphy is still decent on screens i think

junior harness Jul 28, 2024, 9:24 PM

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Bump

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Anybody?

dusky kindle Jul 28, 2024, 10:30 PM

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junior harness Bump

I feel like you probably want a hazard somewhere. Offense with no hazards can often thud into sash, for example darkrai and dragapult.

Moltres seems the most redundant since you have tusk and zama, maybe go with like scarf Samurott or something with flip turn so you have additional speed control and another knocker

shell frost Jul 28, 2024, 11:59 PM

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Hello! I'm a beginner to competitive and built a Serperior Contrary Sweep team since it was my first favourite pokemon as a kid and I'm overjoyed that it's in the meta. I already got some advice from pokemon showdown forums, but I still wanna make more things clear before I start learning how to use this team. So here's what I have so far!

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I'm debating whether landorus should have earthquake or earth power, and who I should replace ribombee with. any advice for any member is greatly appreciated!

spiral fable Jul 28, 2024, 11:59 PM

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so we only rate full teams\

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not half teams

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if you come back with a full 6 we can help (and we prefer pokepaste in the future)

shell frost Jul 29, 2024, 12:00 AM

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ah alr! ty for letting me know

fast wigeon Jul 29, 2024, 12:15 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0d32bc497a228d9e

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dusky kindle Jul 29, 2024, 12:15 AM

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fast wigeon https://pokepast.es/0d32bc497a228d9e

What the clod doin

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 12:16 AM

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i wish i could say his best but that's not even true

fast wigeon Jul 29, 2024, 12:16 AM

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It's to set rocks for breaking sash, also for a general switch in and sack

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It's also decently tanky so it's annoying to get rid of once I take out the harder hitting mons

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 12:20 AM

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it just doesnt work here

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clod is an anchor on faster offensive teams like this

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and you haeve much better rockers available like lando or gliscor

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also that pult set is not good

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if you want mixed pult run status

fast wigeon Jul 29, 2024, 12:21 AM

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Hmmm k

ruby crest Jul 29, 2024, 12:21 AM

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So many zama + tusk

fast wigeon Jul 29, 2024, 12:21 AM

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Tusk is just the best available rapid spinner and zama is zama

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 12:22 AM

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the lack of pivots on this team hurts

ruby crest Jul 29, 2024, 12:23 AM

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Me thinks best course of option is

fast wigeon Jul 29, 2024, 12:23 AM

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I noticed that but so far the problem has been manageable

ruby crest Jul 29, 2024, 12:24 AM

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Gking > clod, cinder > tusk, make this pivot woger with knock, change bolt Tera, tweak zamas evs, and make this cb / specs pult

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 12:24 AM

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please do not use cb pult

fast wigeon Jul 29, 2024, 12:25 AM

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spiral fable please do not use cb pult

I won't thats just asking to be walled

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And since the current hp evs make it only take 9% life orb recoil it works

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 12:25 AM

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life orb pult is just kinda bad

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life orb in general is kinda bad

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you really dont want to be taking that chip in the hazard infested meta that is sv ou

ruby crest Jul 29, 2024, 12:26 AM

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Then yeah specs pult here tbh the team just needs an immediate breaker

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Also yeah lo pult is just bad

fast wigeon Jul 29, 2024, 12:26 AM

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I mean its a trade off

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Its either chip or the potential to be walled immediately

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But I see your point

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 12:27 AM

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no?

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specs gives you stronger power than life orb lol

junior harness Jul 29, 2024, 2:00 AM

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dusky kindle I feel like you probably want a hazard somewhere. Offense with no hazards can of...

tysm

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 6:09 AM

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ashen dove Jul 29, 2024, 6:19 AM

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tender pecan .

Boots Kingambit?

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Really?

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 6:24 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d2e8a67bba2210bc

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sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 6:25 AM

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What can I change abt it

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 7:37 AM

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ashen dove Boots Kingambit?

yeah?

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thats standard

ashen dove Jul 29, 2024, 7:37 AM

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No...

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 7:37 AM

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very few things don't run boots in this metagame at least on one set

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there's a whole ass team structure called bootspam

ashen dove Jul 29, 2024, 7:37 AM

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Blackglasses is standard, lum berry is standard

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Boots on gambit feels wrong almost

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 7:38 AM

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tender pecan

well idk what to tell you man

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but its a standard set

gusty crypt Jul 29, 2024, 8:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ade2f0979b58f339

My first serious balance team I've built, what do yall think? I haven't faced anything specifically dangerous, just lost to my misplays probably 😄 Yeah it's full of top tier mons but I think that is a good way to start

merry heron Jul 29, 2024, 8:24 AM

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Any ideas for this balanced offence? https://pokepast.es/21a83da251c69862

merry heron Jul 29, 2024, 8:25 AM

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gusty crypt https://pokepast.es/ade2f0979b58f339 My first serious balance team I've built, ...

why not booster for attack or def?

gusty crypt Jul 29, 2024, 8:28 AM

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I want it to be able to come in for spinning/attacking more than once and still have some utility, it has felt quite alright without booster although I'm not sure if lefties is the right call

merry heron Jul 29, 2024, 8:28 AM

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then im not sure if bulk up is worth for a more utility set

gusty crypt Jul 29, 2024, 8:29 AM

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You thinking stealth rock or what? It is true that I don't find myself clicking bulk up often

merry heron Jul 29, 2024, 8:29 AM

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knock off or even you're own rocks yea

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would help in more sits imo

gusty crypt Jul 29, 2024, 8:30 AM

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Hmm makes sense, I'll definitely try it, it has felt like the set wasn't really best utilizing tusk

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 8:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a992441945fbb709

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first comp team ever 😄

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 9:15 AM

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sly mauve https://pokepast.es/a992441945fbb709

this is just very similar to the darkspam HO sample

ocean pumice Jul 29, 2024, 9:16 AM

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tender pecan this is just very similar to the darkspam HO sample

its just straight up copy pasted

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 9:16 AM

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-glimmora

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-enam

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like this is HO without a lead

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 9:16 AM

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I think the sample has BG Tera Fly Gambit

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 9:17 AM

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i used a bunch of samples and found it to be my favorite. then i put some of the mons i liked alot and gave it a shot

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 9:17 AM

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I mean like

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its a sample for a reason

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I wouldn't mess around with it too much

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generally speaking this is just a bit flawed structurally

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this also loses hard into stall

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 9:18 AM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2169401796
heres a clip of me trying to win. i did some matches before to get a feel of the team

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ocean pumice Jul 29, 2024, 9:18 AM

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tender pecan generally speaking this is just a bit flawed structurally

copy pasting random mons from different samples is sure to

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break the structure

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like yeah its literally just ho without a lead

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 9:18 AM

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thats kinda the issue right

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like the sets are fine

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mostly

ocean pumice Jul 29, 2024, 9:19 AM

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replacing the tusk with a suicide lead would kinda fix it but then you just have the darkspam sample with a random imoth

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where a scarf enam would inevitably fit better

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is it scarf? idk i forgot

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but like if you ever wanna make your own team this is not the way

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pick 1-2 mons you want to build around and start from there

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you can't fit all your favorites into one team

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 9:23 AM

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what suicide lead do you reccomend? i wanna keep zamazenta the most out of all of the mons

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maybe darkrai as well. but those are the only 2 i feel like i use the most in the team

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gamer

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 9:41 AM

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@ocean pumice BadlandsForward

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 9:48 AM

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Deadass just use the sample team

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It runs glimmora as the lead

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It's pretty good

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 9:49 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d2e8a67bba2210bc anyone?

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Changed Tera ground on great tusk to water

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Forgot to add it earlier

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:13 AM

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@sly mauve what bugs me the most is that in the replay you say that "a team full of sweepers" (aka HO) is unbeatable when you quite literally get run over by curse Dozo

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:17 AM

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sly mauve https://pokepast.es/d2e8a67bba2210bc anyone?

The individual mons look good, except for Crown which wants PShock on Specs and if you're going to go for defensive Rocks Tusk, just use the sample.

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If it's not supposed to be defensive, just drop Rocks for CC/Knock

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:19 AM

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Alr Tysm

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:26 AM

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hidden crescent <@456226577798135808> what bugs me the most is that in the replay you say that "...

what makes it so strong

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:26 AM

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you mean dozo?

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:26 AM

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mhm. im new to competitive. in that clip i was being egotistical

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hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:29 AM

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Dozo has shit tons of HP and defense, unaware to just say "nuh uh" to your setup sweepers, curse to be even more a menace and resttalk on top

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:30 AM

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im trying to upgrade my team without using a sample. i love using zamazenta in ou. could u help?

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:32 AM

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don't really use it, but use a stallbreaker

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Bolt fucks up dozo and Ice spinner tusk takes care of blissey and gliscor

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:33 AM

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hidden crescent Bolt fucks up dozo and Ice spinner tusk takes care of blissey and gliscor

im using ice spinner tusk

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:33 AM

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yeah i know

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:34 AM

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should i replace imoth with bolt?

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:34 AM

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just generally not use a sample and just replace some mons

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pick 1-2 mons to build around and go from there

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:35 AM

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the first option is immedietely zamazenta

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ill have the second be dozo

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is the smogon dozo good?

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:39 AM

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looks like a balance core, and if you're just starting out that's not great

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:39 AM

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hmmm alr

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:39 AM

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you usually start with the lead

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deo-s, glimm, glisc and samu-h are pretty good

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:40 AM

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ive never used deoxys. ima try it

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should i have him use hazards?

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:41 AM

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just sash, rocks, spikes, taunt, pboost

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or if you want to use more frail stuff dual screens

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:41 AM

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ima use the 1st one

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how should i change dozo

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:43 AM

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if you really want dozo, it should be that defensive set, but i'd exchange waterfall for bpress

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:43 AM

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i have 2 tanky mons in my team and i love it

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how do we feel about gholdengo

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:44 AM

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dengo is pretty good, just depends on if you wanna use the utility or the offensive set

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:44 AM

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i feel like i already havve enough offensive. ima use utility

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where should i start

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:45 AM

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you absolutely do not. zama may count, but considering dozo does nothing offensively and deo fucking dies in the first two turns you build offense now

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deo is also more ho focused

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so rather glisc on balance

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:46 AM

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i havent played pokemon in a hot minute, wtf is this creature?

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:46 AM

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...

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there are past paradoxes of entei, suicune and raikou and future of terrakion, cobalion and virizion

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:47 AM

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ik, i remember seeing my friend use the suicune version. i just never knew thsi was added to the game

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:47 AM

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but theyve been out for like a year

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:48 AM

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i havent played in a hot minute like i said. i havent bought the dlc yet

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also i thought moltres sucked, when did he become ou

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:48 AM

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my usual balance structure is 2 defensive mons, 2 offensive mons, an offensive pivot and role compression (lando, tusk or hat usually)

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:49 AM

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hidden crescent my usual balance structure is 2 defensive mons, 2 offensive mons, an offensive p...

would zamazenta be considered a defensive or offensive

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:49 AM

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sly mauve also i thought moltres sucked, when did he become ou

it has a pretty good defensive profile with its typing, roost and wisp

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it also only rose in the last tier shift at the start of the month

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:50 AM

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sly mauve would zamazenta be considered a defensive or offensive

zama can be both, but usually more defensivewith tera fire + lefties

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still can function as role compression

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and often does

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:51 AM

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mk. ima use zama as my role compression then. hes good at offensive and physical defense

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heres what i currently have confirmed

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:53 AM

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still would say dont use dozo, its only good for stall and youre better off with Ting-lu/glowking specially and glisc/skarm/garg for phys

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also again, deo-s is used more on hyper offense, which is often a suicide lead (glimm/deo), a bunch of setup or coverage sweepers/breakers and gambit

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:54 AM

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so i should give him more offensive tools?

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:58 AM

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Zama looks good for ho the way it is, but now you should go for more setup stuff

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:58 AM

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alr. roar clutches up alot for me

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 10:59 AM

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like cm agility crown, kyurem or sd waterpon

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 10:59 AM

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hidden crescent like cm agility crown, kyurem or sd waterpon

whats the first one, cm agility crown

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 11:00 AM

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sly mauve whats the first one, cm agility crown

Iron crown (a new paradox) with calm mind, agility, stored power, tachyon cutter (its signature move)

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:00 AM

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hmmm

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as a gen 5 enthusiast i wanna use crown or kyurem

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 11:02 AM

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kyurem is pretty good with ddance loaded dice, but weak to rocks so it struggles without a way to remove rocks

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/hazards in general

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:02 AM

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Crown is a good AV pivot or booster energy mon, kyurem is a ferocious breaker with specs

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It can also run a loaded dice ddance set

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Typically tho you run that alongside glowking

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 11:03 AM

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tender pecan Crown is a good AV pivot or booster energy mon, kyurem is a ferocious breaker wi...

crown does have good doubledance sets though

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:03 AM

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hidden crescent crown does have good doubledance sets though

Yeah it does too

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:03 AM

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ima use crown

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:03 AM

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I personally prefer booster but that's just me

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:04 AM

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hidden crescent crown does have good doubledance sets though

whats double dance

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 11:04 AM

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sly mauve whats double dance

its what you call a set with 2 setup moves

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:04 AM

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Isn't it like

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Calm mind agility on crown

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I think

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 11:04 AM

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yeah

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with sp

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:05 AM

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+stored power

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Yeah

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And then tachyon cutter I think in the last slot

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 11:05 AM

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ye

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:05 AM

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Love tachyon cutter so much

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:05 AM

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ima try that. loaded dice or booster?

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:05 AM

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Nah not loaded dice

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That's for kyurem

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:05 AM

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ooooh ko

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:06 AM

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I think it's booster I'm not too sure

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:06 AM

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what about evs

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ik max sp atk

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thats kinda his thing

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:06 AM

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Check the set on smogon dex

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 11:07 AM

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timid max spa max spe 4 spdef prob

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:07 AM

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alr. thats half the team done

hidden crescent Jul 29, 2024, 11:07 AM

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imma go now bb

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:08 AM

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i remember using dragonite. hes my fav dragon type, is he valid for this team?

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:09 AM

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Dnite is good yeah

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:09 AM

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last time i used him i had normal tera and espeed

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:10 AM

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Mhm

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It runs boots plus ddance espeed and then 2 other moves

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Usually earthquake and something like ice spinner

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Or dragon claw

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Ice spinner is to beat gliscor and Lando btw

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:11 AM

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i gave it fire punch, is that good?

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:11 AM

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It's usable

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Although I'd prefer ice spinner

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:12 AM

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mk. thats 2/3 of the team done

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what we think about my salt block

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:17 AM

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Nah

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You got zama as an emergency wall against other attackers

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Garg is too slow for HO

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:19 AM

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tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:20 AM

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Gouging is decent but I'm thinking of valiant ngl

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:20 AM

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i was literally jus about to ask about him

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:20 AM

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Up to you tho

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Both are good

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I like valiant because it's blazing fast with booster speed and can act as a stallbreaker with encore

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:21 AM

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im already using deo-s tho

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:21 AM

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Deo s is a lead though

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It's not gonna stay around too long

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It's to shut down other leads while getting your own hazards up

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:21 AM

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hmmmm. ima go valiant

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:22 AM

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The only lead it has a blatantly unfavourable MU against is hamurott

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You can go a lot of routes with val

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Special, physical, mixed, choice

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Choiced isn't awful but booster is probably better here

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If you go physical here I'd say the last slot should be special

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:25 AM

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tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:26 AM

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Hmmm

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Typically it wants encore over spirit break

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:27 AM

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kk

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last mon.

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:28 AM

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Spirit break is also fine mind you it depends whether you value coverage or getting more setup opportunities

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:28 AM

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hear me out tho

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:28 AM

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Fake aa mon

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it has potential imho but when you're starting off ur not the one to get the best out of that potential, that's just how it be

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Regardless

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You have a couple options, darkrai comes to mind immediately

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:31 AM

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i could

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what about hatterene? that magic bounce goes crazy

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:32 AM

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Sinistcha if you're feeling up to it is an option, uhhhhh raging bolt is pretty decent

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Hatterene is more of a BO mon

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Not unusable but you do have to accept the fact that it's speed is not good at all

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:32 AM

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ima do darkrai

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:33 AM

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Primarina ig, serperior even iron moth there's a lot of potential special attackers

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:33 AM

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mhm

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:33 AM

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Darkrai is a pretty safe pick yeah

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Looks good

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See how that works for you

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:33 AM

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woops

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https://pokepast.es/b164b52a5411d1df

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:34 AM

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You wanna lead deoxys every time get hazards up and then just try to break the opposing team the best you can

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If you feel you need a pivot there's stuff like wellspring

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Try it out

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If you find any bad MUs or issues you can come back

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:35 AM

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ight

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ill send my first 5 matches

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(that i complete)

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when should i use taunt

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 11:37 AM

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Taunt against opposing hazard leads

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Glimmora ribombee etc

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Again other then hamurott who doesn't really care

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Also don't send the replays here

sly mauve Jul 29, 2024, 11:38 AM

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ik

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#comp-general

fathom wraith Jul 29, 2024, 2:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/821c69b7b73a056b

viral sableBOT Jul 29, 2024, 2:02 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 2:29 PM

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gusty crypt https://pokepast.es/ade2f0979b58f339 My first serious balance team I've built, ...

Don’t feel bad for putting viable mons on a team, that’s what you’re supposed to do anyways

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Besides that, this is really more a bulky offense team (which isn’t bad you should just change the way you think about playing it)

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I would also swap Tusk to the offensive Stealth Rock setter set, and drop Gliscor for Status Pult, to give your team a check to Waterpon

full token Jul 29, 2024, 2:55 PM

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Hey guys what do you think of my team?

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tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 2:55 PM

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pokepaste link next time but its fine

full token Jul 29, 2024, 2:55 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f8d0b9946ccff2c5

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 2:55 PM

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thx

full token Jul 29, 2024, 2:55 PM

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There you go

full token Jul 29, 2024, 2:55 PM

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tender pecan thx

Should I make any changes to it?

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 2:55 PM

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well this is a team

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uhhh

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red card is an ok item on some mons, alo isn't rly one of them, it wants to come in a lot and wish pass

but also more generally this team lacks a lot of firepower

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your two big attackers are choice locked and one of them isn't rly that good

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and otherwise your only means of hazard stack is gliscor, which isn't even running knock off

full token Jul 29, 2024, 2:57 PM

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Yeah but which Pokemon should I switch then

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 2:58 PM

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I think the first question is what team structure do you want to go for

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this looks like balance

full token Jul 29, 2024, 2:58 PM

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I don't know much about team building

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I just tried something

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I can't decide between knock off and u turn

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 2:58 PM

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well, if you're new to this I'd recommend trying a sample team

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it'll give you a feel for how certain structures operate and what they're trying to achieve

full token Jul 29, 2024, 2:59 PM

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K

viral sableBOT Jul 29, 2024, 3:00 PM

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OU (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 3:00 PM

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top link

full token Jul 29, 2024, 3:00 PM

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Thanks bro

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 3:00 PM

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np

wanton garnet Jul 29, 2024, 5:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/93949e99921377ff

My peak ELO with this team is 1694 if that helps at all. So it's at least decent but I wanted to get some feedback on it.

junior harness Jul 29, 2024, 5:52 PM

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ashen dove Boots on gambit feels wrong almost

there is boots greatbtusk

ashen dove Jul 29, 2024, 5:53 PM

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junior harness there is boots greatbtusk

Yes

junior harness Jul 29, 2024, 5:54 PM

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can confirm boots gambit is a set

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a viable one

tender pecan Jul 29, 2024, 5:54 PM

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wanton garnet https://pokepast.es/93949e99921377ff My peak ELO with this team is 1694 if that...

imo ghold on HO is preferable on webs HO rather than with SR, still fine but its cause ghold isn't super fast

ashen dove Jul 29, 2024, 5:54 PM

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junior harness a viable one

Where have you seen 1

junior harness Jul 29, 2024, 5:55 PM

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ashen dove Where have you seen 1

on the ladder, and stratdex

ashen dove Jul 29, 2024, 5:55 PM

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What's a statdex

livid meteor Jul 29, 2024, 6:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/af21d8a6abfc7ecf

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I feel like i need some better offensive type coverage but im not sure what to swap out

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been considering Glisgor instead of Toxapex

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 6:11 PM

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wanton garnet https://pokepast.es/93949e99921377ff My peak ELO with this team is 1694 if that...

tusk doens't fit here, and both ghold and ogerpon are pretty awkward as well

livid meteor Jul 29, 2024, 6:11 PM

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Ogerpon is in OU??

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 6:13 PM

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You don't need hazard control, especially with taunt Deo-S as your lead, I would drop Tusk for a sweeper like Dragonite or Roaring Moon
Gholdengo is a bit too slow for Spikes HO nor do you really need it to deny hazard setup, swap it out for another sweeper like Iron Moth or Iron Valiant
Watepron is pretty iffy as well, the lack of reliable boosting to speed (Trailblaze sucks you'd much rather have Play Rough or Encore) allows it to be revenge killed easily, so I would recommend dropping it for a faster sweeper

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 6:13 PM

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livid meteor https://pokepast.es/af21d8a6abfc7ecf

This team is just all over the place ngl

livid meteor Jul 29, 2024, 6:13 PM

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:( i was trying to go for bulk + self heal + poison

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it's been getting me some decent wins

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 6:13 PM

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You have HO lead in treads, then a balance pivot in mola and then a stall anchor in pex, a weird screens set in hatterene, and banded meow

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there's no consistency across this team and the different archetypes are hurting each other

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I would recommend using a sample team for now, especially since you're trying to ladder for the OLT: this team will fall apart quickly as you push to higher elo

livid meteor Jul 29, 2024, 6:14 PM

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i had been running tusk instead of treads before, would that be marginally better or no

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 6:14 PM

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT Jul 29, 2024, 6:14 PM

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

livid meteor Jul 29, 2024, 6:14 PM

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i'll look into these..

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 6:14 PM

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livid meteor i had been running tusk instead of treads before, would that be marginally bette...

barely, but there's much larger problems than your spinner

livid meteor Jul 29, 2024, 6:15 PM

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I really thought oger would be banned to ubers

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 6:15 PM

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hearthflame is but wellspring is still ou

livid meteor Jul 29, 2024, 6:15 PM

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ig it's better in doubles

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ic....

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metta knowledge. is not somthing ih ave much ofo

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but im tryin to keep my ears out to learn

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i have a hard time getting invested in / caring about premade teams though... same with the TCG

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hard for me to care about th ematch unless i built the deck myself

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~~a lot better at that one though lol~~

ashen dove Jul 29, 2024, 6:31 PM

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spiral fable hearthflame is but wellspring is still ou

https://pokepast.es/54c353c008c082a4
Can you look at my team too please?
The only tip I have so far is to switch the dragon tail on gouging fire with something else, and to remove choice band on gambit.

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 6:33 PM

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im going to be honest this team is hella scuffed

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theoretically 5/6 of these mons would be fine on HO but these sets do not work

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I would recommend replacing all these sets with their setup-sweeper smogon dex sets (you can find them by going here and searching up their names https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/)

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I would also drop Dragapult for another special attacker like Iron Moth

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Banded Gambit doesn't work, Gmabit's strength comes from the fact that it can swords dance then threaten a sweep between kowtow and Sucker punch
Mirror Herb Zamazenta works as a way to check Roaring Moon (though it's not recommended, especially as Roaring Moon sees less usage), but it only works on the Iron Defense set which you should be running anyways
Eject Pack Deoxys-Speed doesn't work as there's a good chance you could get OHKod or 2HKOd before you can fire off the Psycho Boost to get out (assuming they don't just go to a Dark-type), and sash is much better to ensure you can stil get off hazards then fire off a taunt/chip them with an attack
Dragon Tail is just bad on Gouging you need the power not a phazer
Scarf Darkrai is alright but this teams needs a lot more firepower so the nasty plot set works much better

wanton garnet Jul 29, 2024, 7:29 PM

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spiral fable You don't need hazard control, especially with taunt Deo-S as your lead, I would...

How am I supposed to spinblock with Ghold?

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 7:29 PM

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you don't need to

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psycho boost scares out tusk and superpower slams treads (which isn't common in the first place)

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any other spinner is unviable

wanton garnet Jul 29, 2024, 7:30 PM

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And defoggers?

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 7:37 PM

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taunt

random wolf Jul 29, 2024, 10:57 PM

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https://pokepast.es/14ce8a637984f56a
There was an attempt

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 10:59 PM

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this is

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interesting

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so why weavile

random wolf Jul 29, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Figured Bolt wanted smth that threatens grounds
And it nukes Moltres/the waters

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 11:01 PM

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not a fan of the gambit set ngl

random wolf Jul 29, 2024, 11:01 PM

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What would you recommend?

spiral fable Jul 29, 2024, 11:02 PM

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not tera blast

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iffy on lum as well but i see its merits

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this team feels off, i cant really pinpoint it but if another rater has an idea feel free to chime in

fathom wraith Jul 30, 2024, 2:03 AM

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https://pokepast.es/821c69b7b73a056b

viral sableBOT Jul 30, 2024, 2:03 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

karmic jungle Jul 30, 2024, 4:26 AM

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Just started ou
https://pokepast.es/7131f7ab327ab8e7

gusty crypt Jul 30, 2024, 6:17 AM

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spiral fable Besides that, this is really more a bulky offense team (which isn’t bad you shou...

Yeah that is fine and probably more along the lines of what I have been doing, as I've been more ready to give up pieces when needed than I think balance teams should. Yeah the tusk set is probably not it, but I have found Gliscor to be the most valuable member of the team, so would rather change something else. Status Pult is a great mon so definitely not a bad idea

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 6:18 AM

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gliscor is alright butyou kinda suck into opposing hazards

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the other mons are all fine its really just gliscor and ltusk that are overlapping

gusty crypt Jul 30, 2024, 6:19 AM

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Fair point, it has been difficult to remove hazards if they've got some up. Could I change tusk to like Rocky Helmet Defog Corv? Or just boots spam 😄

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 6:20 AM

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the issue is ogerpon can't run boots while zamazenta and gambit both don't want to run boots

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now you can swap out one of them (probably zama) for a special attacker/mixed attacker that can run boots then drop tusk for pult and just give gliscor uturn and then you have a fine team

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but i cant really think of a special attacker that fits well here

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you can try darkrai ig?

gusty crypt Jul 30, 2024, 6:23 AM

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Maybe I'll go to Maushold for removal 😄 But tbf it might be a good idea to rebuild the core. Darkrai for zama is not a bad shout either

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 6:23 AM

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do not

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please do not

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you are so close to a good team you just need 1-2 changes 😭

gusty crypt Jul 30, 2024, 6:24 AM

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It just feels difficult to let go of Gliscor when I feel like its MVP like 70% of the time

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Hmm yeah with Tusk - Pult and Zama - Darkrai this definitely more definitely BO, not a bad thing

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I have been trying to build balancey cores but apparently I always trend towards offense 😄

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 6:26 AM

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pro tip, balance usually leans towards hstack with stuff like ting lu

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(if you find yourself with 4 offensive mons and two defensive mons its probably offense)

gusty crypt Jul 30, 2024, 6:28 AM

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Yeah fair, I think this team started with 4 defensive and 2 offensive but apparently has transformed into offense

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I want to learn to play hstack-type teams better so that

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's why I'm trying to build a team for that

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What would you suggest changing the gliscor set to?

floral grotto Jul 30, 2024, 6:55 AM

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Good day can I get some input on this team? https://pokepast.es/a56824a7f667f44b

hidden crescent Jul 30, 2024, 7:48 AM

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floral grotto Good day can I get some input on this team? https://pokepast.es/a56824a7f667f44b

Smack down is pretty bad, just run SEdge and don't run Rocks on an offensive Variant. 4 Spa is also completely wasted, just put them into defense, then Jolly. Expert Belt is also not great. Literally just don't run offensive Lando.

onyx halo Jul 30, 2024, 1:03 PM

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https://pokepast.es/75bbf8c6f13d85ce thoughts?

viral sableBOT Jul 30, 2024, 1:03 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hardy hedge Jul 30, 2024, 2:53 PM

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my first OU team can i have some feedback? https://pokepast.es/5aae3ca41fd3b12b

hidden crescent Jul 30, 2024, 3:24 PM

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hardy hedge my first OU team can i have some feedback? https://pokepast.es/5aae3ca41fd3b12b

'Moongus is pretty bad in singles, if you want a Wall with Regenerator just run Glowking or the more situational Pex

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Rotom-Wash is outdated (and should probably have Pain Split)

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Generally seems like you just threw stuff together

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Also, considering your only Hazards are Rocks on Chomp(which is also not great since you're kind of caught between the tanky and the offensive variant, commit to one), make Cinderace more defensive with Willowisp and Court Change over HJK and Sucker

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 4:26 PM

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hardy hedge my first OU team can i have some feedback? https://pokepast.es/5aae3ca41fd3b12b

this team is a bit lost, you don't really have a playstyle in mind and it shows, you don't have a solid defensive core nor a solid offensive core

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Chomp isn't very good and neither is wash, Amoonguss is alright as a Waterpon counter but you stack three physically defensive mons with no specially defensive mons, your only sweeper is chomp which is unreliable

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With only rocks for hazards you're going to struggle to break through bulkier teams due to lack of powerful offensive threats, and you're going to struggle to deal with offensive threats due to a lopsided defensive core (which still loses to mons like Gouging Fire)

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I would recommend using a sample team for now to learn the common team styles, you can find them here

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT Jul 30, 2024, 4:29 PM

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

hardy hedge Jul 30, 2024, 4:32 PM

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spiral fable this team is a bit lost, you don't really have a playstyle in mind and it shows,...

i looked at https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-good-cores.3713011/ for my core and thought that a cinderace garchomp offensive core was good and i also saw under the defensive cores that wash amoongus core was good. Do these 2 cores not synergise well with eachother?

Smogon Forums

Resource - SV OU Good Cores

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art coming soon

A strong core is one of the single most valuable things to form when creating a new team. Cores are typically made up of a group of Pokémon that, when used together, work excellently toward accomplishing a specific goal, and any good player uses them...

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 4:32 PM

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this is heavily outdated

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it was made two years ago

hardy hedge Jul 30, 2024, 4:41 PM

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is there a more up to date list of good cores

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 4:54 PM

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not really

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this is more recent ig but even then it was updated 2 months ago
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-good-cores.3732908/

Smogon Forums

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A strong core is one of the single most valuable things to form when creating a new team. Cores are typically made up of a group of Pokémon that, when used together, work...

hardy hedge Jul 30, 2024, 8:04 PM

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i built another team is this one better than the previos one https://pokepast.es/ac3f43ffe1d4bea7 thoughts?

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 8:13 PM

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once again id heavily recommend you look at sample teams

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lucario is not viable in sv ou nor is slowking

brave turtle Jul 30, 2024, 8:14 PM

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hardy hedge i built another team is this one better than the previos one https://pokepast.es...

if you really want lucario justified would be better just cuz all the dark spam, but zama probs does the same but much better

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 8:14 PM

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and the rest of your team suffers from the same issues i pointed above

hardy hedge Jul 30, 2024, 8:17 PM

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so all hope is lost

hardy hedge Jul 30, 2024, 8:48 PM

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spiral fable once again id heavily recommend you look at sample teams

but which team is better in your opinion the old one or the new one

spiral fable Jul 30, 2024, 8:59 PM

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Frankly both are bad

copper cloak Jul 30, 2024, 9:52 PM

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this team just helped me crack 1600 again, but it could absolutely use some work. very open to changing ghold/crown/clef but i feel like the offensive core is solid but it needs something i'm missing. the team tends to get tagged by a tera-shifting sweeper that makes me wind up losing more material than needed (although the base core is solid enough to usually clean later) so maybe a shift from crown to slowking to alleviate the lack of slow switches/lack of water resist. https://pokepast.es/5f90c9f1e8ab6e16

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i could see a skeledirge over ghold being a very solid option to help break the steel birds but they often get fried by a volt into kyurem, or to ward away valiant sets.

random wolf Jul 30, 2024, 11:29 PM

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random wolf https://pokepast.es/14ce8a637984f56a There was an attempt

Small bump

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:10 AM

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random wolf Small bump

aight no one else seems to be online so here's my scuffed opinion
weavile sucks, your waterpon matchup is iffy because of it and it would be better replaced by either pult (for another pivot + status spreader + nuisance + waterpon check) or zamazenta (offensive threat + defensive check + nuisance + waterpon check), i really don't like scarf enamorus and think you have better speed control options (val, or even darkrai), but honestly im not sure you really need speed control in the first place when you have two different forms of priority (three with ice shard waevile)

random wolf Jul 31, 2024, 12:12 AM

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spiral fable aight no one else seems to be online so here's my scuffed opinion weavile sucks,...

Ic
Would moltres be fine in Enam slot or is there smth you recommend

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:12 AM

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offensive mon

random wolf Jul 31, 2024, 12:18 AM

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spiral fable offensive mon

Waterpon?

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:18 AM

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wellspring

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o

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eh

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no hazard control kinda iffy with waterpon

random wolf Jul 31, 2024, 12:19 AM

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Hm

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:19 AM

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i think val is a fine mon

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darkrai is neat as well

random wolf Jul 31, 2024, 12:22 AM

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Smth like this then?

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:25 AM

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random wolf Smth like this then?

might want mixed val instead

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other than that, looks good

random wolf Jul 31, 2024, 12:25 AM

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Got it

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:25 AM

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(you can also try scarf trick if you want to be funny)

hardy hedge Jul 31, 2024, 12:28 AM

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i am once again back with another build this time i think its better than the last ones, any thoughts? https://pokepast.es/df65b37f1d819277

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:29 AM

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once again it suffers from the same issues

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scizor only works on ho and from there you really lack offensive pressure

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and your defensive walls are all phys def so they get run over by any special attacker

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i would heavily recommend you use a sample team

hardy hedge Jul 31, 2024, 12:29 AM

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dang it i give up

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:30 AM

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There's no shame in using a pre-built

hardy hedge Jul 31, 2024, 12:30 AM

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but i wanna use a team with cinderace and dragapult and cant find one thats why im trying to make a semi viable one

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:31 AM

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you can try asking the ou discord for help building the team

hardy hedge Jul 31, 2024, 12:32 AM

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I think chat gpt might be able to build me a good team

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:32 AM

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do not

hardy hedge Jul 31, 2024, 12:32 AM

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im gonna test

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 12:32 AM

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chat gpt is notriously bad

hardy hedge Jul 31, 2024, 12:32 AM

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cant be worse than my teams

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the team its making me has 2 illegal pokemons i think you're right about it being bad

onyx halo Jul 31, 2024, 12:37 AM

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onyx halo https://pokepast.es/75bbf8c6f13d85ce thoughts?

chhat

ocean pumice Jul 31, 2024, 2:02 AM

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"lando will never be a baller! 🤓" lando: https://pokepast.es/0ecbd891d057c289

viral sableBOT Jul 31, 2024, 2:02 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

ocean pumice Jul 31, 2024, 2:03 AM

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maybe i darkspammed too much

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 2:21 AM

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ocean pumice "lando will never be a baller! 🤓" lando: https://pokepast.es/0ecbd891d057c289

sd lando sucks, drop it

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other than that, sure is webs

ocean pumice Jul 31, 2024, 2:21 AM

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spiral fable sd lando sucks, drop it

drop lando entirely?

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 2:21 AM

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yes

ocean pumice Jul 31, 2024, 2:21 AM

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alright

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 2:21 AM

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waterpon is 100x better

gaunt fox Jul 31, 2024, 3:27 AM

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https://pokepast.es/be5991ef571abd0a

craggy atlas Jul 31, 2024, 4:56 AM

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hardy hedge the team its making me has 2 illegal pokemons i think you're right about it bein...

just use a sample team

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:04 AM

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craggy atlas just use a sample team

Sample teams haven't been updated in months, makes your think if they even cared about it when they first posted it.

craggy atlas Jul 31, 2024, 5:05 AM

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or they're still viable

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:06 AM

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As a new player, if I don't see a dragapult or a Kingambit in a team I can't see it as viable, considering the viability rankings they've posted

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If something is S, that should mean that it's great no matter the team you add it in.

craggy atlas Jul 31, 2024, 5:07 AM

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if you're new you probably aren't the best judge of a team's viability

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especially considering they were designed by ou leaders

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:08 AM

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ashen dove If something is S, that should mean that it's great no matter the team you add i...

And if a team is purposefully excluding both, I can't see it as being posted in good faith.

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:08 AM

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craggy atlas if you're new you probably aren't the best judge of a team's viability

Not a team, the individual mon's viability ranking

craggy atlas Jul 31, 2024, 5:09 AM

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you said you deem teams unviable if they dont have an s ranked mon

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:09 AM

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craggy atlas you said you deem teams unviable if they dont have an s ranked mon

I deem them as "not in good faith"
As in they were not posted with new players in mind

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:09 AM

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ashen dove Sample teams haven't been updated in months, makes your think if they even cared...

they defintiely cared about it lol

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we do not post sample teams just to go "haha look at these low ladder players get PRANKED"

craggy atlas Jul 31, 2024, 5:10 AM

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LMAO

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:10 AM

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they were all proven, tested teams either from touranment or the best players in the scene

craggy atlas Jul 31, 2024, 5:10 AM

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ashen dove I deem them as "not in good faith" As in they were not posted with new players i...

that doesnt mean theyre any harder to use

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just use the teams bro

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:11 AM

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craggy atlas just use the teams bro

I did, in the starting few weeks they were my only source

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:11 AM

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ashen dove And if a team is purposefully excluding both, I can't see it as being posted in ...

The top players don't build with "hey i HATE these mons lemme drop them"

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Except maybe storm zone

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But these teams are usually built around "this is a cool core/i want to try this mon/i want to build this playstyle"

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and then it just builds from there

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just because a mon is s rank does not mean it need be on every team

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:12 AM

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spiral fable just because a mon is s rank does not mean it need be on every team

That honestly sounds very counter-intuitive

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:12 AM

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Why?

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There is no mon that will ever be on every team, except for gens 1 and 2

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that era of the game of over

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:13 AM

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primal groudon yveltal

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:13 AM

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*in OU

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ubers is a little fucked up

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I think even at Lando's peak last gen it was only what, 50? 60% of teams?

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:16 AM

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91% at its tournament peak

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in wcop

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but quickly fell off

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:16 AM

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I was talking general ladder usage

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:17 AM

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spiral fable Why?

If a mon is more viable than other mons, why would you not play it in your team.
It's like if you had different types 5.56 rounds and one of them was the more lethal(or viable in Pokemon terms) than others, why would you not take it with you in battle.

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:17 AM

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ashen dove If a mon is more viable than other mons, why would you not play it in your team....

I think you're fundementally misunderstanding how this game works

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:17 AM

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Then people started using anti lando teams and people used other grounds more

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:17 AM

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Each mon has a different role

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:17 AM

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and it dropped off a lot

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:17 AM

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Some roles overlap, some don't

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For example, Kingambit has a role as a late game cleaner, a powerful sweeper, and a check to ghost types

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This is all well and good, but some teams don't need this

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If I build a stall team, I do not need a late game cleaner, nor a sweeper, and I already have multiple checks to ghost types

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:18 AM

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spiral fable Some roles overlap, some don't

But some mons are so good at their roles than others that they can't be overlapped, that's what makes more viable, no?

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:18 AM

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ashen dove If a mon is more viable than other mons, why would you not play it in your team....

because thats not how the teambuilder is, even the top mons have weaknesses and lack strengths other mons have

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:19 AM

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Also this yes

craggy atlas Jul 31, 2024, 5:19 AM

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ashen dove But some mons are so good at their roles than others that they can't be overlapp...

have you seen a stall team this gen lmao

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:19 AM

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if you have 5 fairy weak pokemon are you using zamazenta or iron moth

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:19 AM

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If a mon is so good it has no weaknesses, it's broken, and should not be in this tier

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:19 AM

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brisk cedar if you have 5 fairy weak pokemon are you using zamazenta or iron moth

I'm using Tera steel heavy slam zama

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:20 AM

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Ok but then you have a tera hog

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:20 AM

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Because Zama is better overall i think

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:20 AM

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Ok, what if you're building a stall team

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and your 6th is between Dondozo and Dragapult

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:20 AM

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spiral fable Ok but then you have a tera hog

If my opponent has multiple fairies, it's not really a hog and more of an obvious choice no?

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:21 AM

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ashen dove If my opponent has multiple fairies, it's not really a hog and more of an obviou...

Well the obvious choice would be the mon that doesn't require Tera to act as a Fairy check

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So you can save that tera for one of your fairy-weak mons that might want it to sweep/check another threat

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:21 AM

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spiral fable So you can save that tera for one of your fairy-weak mons that might want it to ...

That just sounds like zama

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:22 AM

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Ok, but what if zama isn't on the team for the first 5

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Let's say I built a team of Tusk Dragapult Darkrai Roaring Moon and Kyurem

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I don't want Zama as my 6th, I want Gholdengo/Iron Moth

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(this is not a viable team do not build this at home)

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:23 AM

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Then you remove kyurem,

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I think

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:23 AM

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this is usage of good players who are pressured by their teammates to run good teams with the tournament on the line

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:24 AM

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What my point is that different teams have different roles they need filled, and no mon can possibly fill every role

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:24 AM

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Darkrai can be ice move and dragapult for dragon move

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:24 AM

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Highest pokemon is only 32%

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:24 AM

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ashen dove Darkrai can be ice move and dragapult for dragon move

You are missing the forest for the trees

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Zamazenta doesn't fit on stall

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Dragapult is hard to squeeze into hyper offense

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:24 AM

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spiral fable What my point is that different teams have different roles they need filled, and...

if you use the top 6 mons you'll also be guaranteed to lose to something

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:25 AM

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brisk cedar this is usage of good players who are pressured by their teammates to run good t...

Gholdengo has more usage than gambit???
Really?

brisk cedar Jul 31, 2024, 5:25 AM

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and then if everyone uses the same top 6 people will use the pokemon that beats that

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which stops any meta from becoming top 6 only

ashen dove Jul 31, 2024, 5:26 AM

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Dragapult isn't even on the list, is it that bad?

spiral fable Jul 31, 2024, 5:26 AM

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Not being top 10 isn't some great sin

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just means it's not as favored in the meta

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Give it a few weeks and who knows, a new meta might come along where Dragapult rises back to the top

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I think this is a bit off topic though, the point is no mon can fit on every team

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And that's fine, and teams without those mons aren't inherently bad just for their absence

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Sample teams were collected from the top players in the community to present well-built teams that are relatively easy to pick up and play, while still being effective

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They will always be a good resource to turn to, and even if they are slightly outdated, a good place to at least study common team structures and cores

gaunt fox Jul 31, 2024, 5:43 AM

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brisk cedar this is usage of good players who are pressured by their teammates to run good t...

What page are you using?

kind trail Jul 31, 2024, 7:55 AM

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Would love some advice with these two teams built around DD Dragapult. Been hovering around 1700 and would like to make the push higher

Team 1 - https://pokepast.es/1d41a84cd6a869a8, struggles with hazards bc defog choice band scizor isn't very good

Team 2 - https://pokepast.es/41c818891027f1a2, better against hazards but struggles more with random set-up sweepers with surprising tera types without the reliable priority from choice band scizor

Both teams - Would love to fit in Stealth Rocks instead of spikes

dusky kindle Jul 31, 2024, 12:05 PM

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kind trail Would love some advice with these two teams built around DD Dragapult. Been hove...

team 1: drop scizor for Booster Energy lead Iron Treads, drop gouging fire for dragonite with espeed. Lets you keep the double dragon aspect but spikes immune and priority helps a lot. Meanwhile you get proper spin and a good HO lead

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team 2 probably drop ogerpon for something more ho suited

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Like deoxys speed

tender pecan Jul 31, 2024, 1:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d7df3b433d1f2618 feel like I'm missing something

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kind trail Jul 31, 2024, 4:16 PM

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dusky kindle team 1: drop scizor for Booster Energy lead Iron Treads, drop gouging fire for d...

ooh nice i will try dnite + spinner, thanks a ton for the suggestion!

rigid socket Jul 31, 2024, 6:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bd883263028d2bb7

last frost Jul 31, 2024, 7:34 PM

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https://pokepast.es/20fa16f845d8ddbf
hey just doing a teambuilding exercise for a bulky hazard stack, thoughts on this build?

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last frost Jul 31, 2024, 7:35 PM

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most curious as to what we think about heatran, 2nd rocker or likelier burn for moon/gambit. thank you for your time ❤️

dusky kindle Aug 1, 2024, 4:02 AM

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tender pecan https://pokepast.es/d7df3b433d1f2618 feel like I'm missing something

Valiant counter? Maybe put iron head on treads

dusky kindle Aug 1, 2024, 4:06 AM

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rigid socket https://pokepast.es/bd883263028d2bb7

Build is ok, you are missing a kingambit counter a bit but should be ok with gouging fire maybe, one thing I would consider is encore instead of taunt on waterpon, will help you prevent opposing setup and enable your own setup easier

dusky kindle Aug 1, 2024, 4:10 AM

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last frost https://pokepast.es/20fa16f845d8ddbf hey just doing a teambuilding exercise for ...

Garchomp is really not great for hazard stack in current meta, ting Lu and gliscor are your good options for hazard bulky ground.

With heatran as your fairy resist you will need some way to switch in to mixed valiant with cc, ultimately the team would probably be better with something like cinderace with wisp and then you can also court change

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Alternatively you can use moltres

last frost Aug 1, 2024, 4:48 AM

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Mkej mkej

tender pecan Aug 1, 2024, 5:47 AM

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dusky kindle Valiant counter? Maybe put iron head on treads

Hmm alright, i had ice spinner on it to deal with Lando and gliscor I noticed those two were problematic

sly coral Aug 1, 2024, 5:56 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a44ad5840a86dcd7
hi, wanted to utilize iron crown more. so i made this team. Anything that can be changed?

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dusky kindle Aug 1, 2024, 11:10 AM

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sly coral https://pokepast.es/a44ad5840a86dcd7 hi, wanted to utilize iron crown more. so i...

You probably don't need both crown and slowking as they fill similar roles of special sponge and pivot. You can use a more offensive pokemon than slowking like iron moth or valiant

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 4:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2ad1e246045ea85b tried to cook up a hazard stack balance ft. rillaboom

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junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 4:59 PM

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quick bluff https://pokepast.es/2ad1e246045ea85b tried to cook up a hazard stack balance ft....

your team does not like kingambit

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expecially not air balloon ones

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:00 PM

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yeah this is true

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 5:01 PM

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get yourself a way to beat it defensively

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or lose to one of the most used mons lol

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:02 PM

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I think between pecha, scor, lu, and prim the gambit matchup is usually fine

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but the team is def a little gambit weak

tender pecan Aug 1, 2024, 5:03 PM

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I also don't rly like grassy seed prim

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balance doesn't like single use items

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mainly because they're very pivot heavy

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:03 PM

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tender pecan balance doesn't like single use items

this is also true, could def make it lefties

tender pecan Aug 1, 2024, 5:04 PM

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also hmmm

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not sure if hatterene and prim are necessary

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they both fill similar functions here

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:04 PM

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i think to drop either i'd have the change the team up quite a bit

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because hatt is also hazard removal and prim provides a lot of key resistances

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I could make prim the av pivot set and then run like physdef scor

tender pecan Aug 1, 2024, 5:05 PM

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unfortunately balance does tend to shift towards bootspam this gen

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scorbunny on a spike stack team is situational

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since court change swaps the hazards

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wait

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oop I thought you meant cinderace for some reason

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:06 PM

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yeah gliscor

tender pecan Aug 1, 2024, 5:06 PM

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nvm 😭

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:06 PM

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scorbunny hstack 🔥

tender pecan Aug 1, 2024, 5:06 PM

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lc be like (this doesn't happen)

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anyway

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if you swapped prim for wellpsring with u turn you do get more offensive pressure

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plus its boosted by g terrain

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but you do lose a wall

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:07 PM

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i considered this but wellspring doesnt resist ice nor fire

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so i kind of get shredded by kyurem significantly easier

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and also prim gives the team a pseudo-cinderace and gouging switchin idk

tender pecan Aug 1, 2024, 5:09 PM

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well

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yeah then I'd say making it lefties is a good shout

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you could also maybe make it an AV pivot but you lose a lot of potential firepower

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hmmm alternatively

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if you had more paralysis spreaders or something

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pecha becomes more potent

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because atm you don't have much to make running hex over shadow ball worth it

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and also dpult is better at using hex

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oh yeah use malignant chain

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its just better

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landing a toxic could screw over a wall

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:13 PM

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tender pecan oh yeah use malignant chain

the sample pivot set has sudge bomb as an option i think just bc malignant chain only has 8 pp

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but yeah in practice i've never come close to using it 8 times in a game

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so i think that's smart

tender pecan Aug 1, 2024, 5:13 PM

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it does more damage and toxic imo is more influential than regular poison

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regular poison is annoying but its the weakest status lowkey

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toxic though forces a mon out

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which can help with your breaking power

quick bluff Aug 1, 2024, 5:15 PM

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yeah fs

dense gull Aug 1, 2024, 7:08 PM

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https://pokepast.es/706ce88d91561630

hardy hedge Aug 1, 2024, 7:46 PM

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fourth try, this time im confident its better than the last ones https://pokepast.es/954671f1329e6c61 thoughts?

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 7:48 PM

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life orb pult is just bad

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weavile only realy fits on balances and this team isn't really balance, gliscor need sprotect, once again you're still stacking physical defensive mons with no specially defenisve mons and that cinderace set doesn't work either

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your offensive presence is decent but its not enough, your defense is full of holes, this team is 6-0ed by waterpon and it still suffers from the same issues i pointed out on your other teams

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for the last time, i am heavily recommend you run a sample team to learn the metagame and common team structures first

hardy hedge Aug 1, 2024, 7:52 PM

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but has progress been made? is it better than the last ones?

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 7:53 PM

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i guess, but i dont see the point of you just sending these teams again and again if you do not listen to most the advice

hardy hedge Aug 1, 2024, 7:53 PM

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i listen to the advice but the things you say dont make any sense

candid fog Aug 1, 2024, 7:53 PM

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If I may contribute, there's no offense in being told to look at sample teams when you're new

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 7:53 PM

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ok then why not ask me to clarify

candid fog Aug 1, 2024, 7:53 PM

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But yeah that lol

hardy hedge Aug 1, 2024, 7:54 PM

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how is a balanced team supposed to look is it just 3 offensive mons and 3 walls

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 7:54 PM

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no

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balance doesn't really have an easily defined structure

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generally you'd want two hazard setters, a pivot or two, a defensive mon or two, and an offensive mon or two

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but it varies heavily, and roles can overlap

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(ie ting lu serves as both a spdef wall, a hazard setter, and sometimes a phaser)

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which is why i recommend you look at the sample teams, they give you a good idea of the common mons used on each archetype

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ie you can see that a lot of the bulkier offenses/balances are running ting lu, a staple, with some running gliscor, gking, and other common mons as well

hardy hedge Aug 1, 2024, 7:59 PM

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i looked at a couple of sample teams but i still dont see that big of a differense in the teams i make vs the sample teams

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for example this one https://pokepast.es/f6d23af182294e5b

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 7:59 PM

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this team skews heavily offensive which yours does not

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run a sample team, learn the metagame and the different archetypes first before trying to build

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 8:42 PM

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Was tinkering with ninetales after it did OK in the last WCOP and rose up in the viability rankings. Here's my first shot at making a ninetales sun team: https://pokepast.es/9d1c087b617de436. Any suggestions?

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 8:52 PM

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I assume rmoon is banded?

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 8:57 PM

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No. That didn't occur to me and I didn't want to lose the power of acrobatics.

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:05 PM

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spiral sand No. That didn't occur to me and I didn't want to lose the power of acrobatics.

dragon dance boosted U-turn

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nope

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what are you doing with hasty walking wake?

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:06 PM

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Didn't want to weaken flip turn

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:06 PM

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LMAO

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bro ur already using sun

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flip turn does 0.0000000001 damage in sun

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:06 PM

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true

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lol

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:06 PM

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no reason to make yourself weaker to sucker punch and espeec

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and any physical moves

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you need a source of immediate power, like specs walking wake or band roaring moon with booster speed

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Is lifeorb walking wake not enough?

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:08 PM

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i wonder how will @spiral fable see this

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Like yeah, I am losing a bit of power, but I am also not locked into one move

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Hi what

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:09 PM

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look at this

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the paste

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 9:09 PM

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O yeah no flip turn is doing like 0 either way

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Yeah changed that

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:09 PM

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dragon dance boosted U turn be doin alotta damage

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Run spattack boosting nature or speed boosting nature

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Ddance moon kinda sucks on sun, unfortunately

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Because running itemless is bad but you also can’t run booster

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Hmm... what is the difference between itemless roaring moon in sun and booster energy roaring moon in other teams? Does choice band really give enough power to justify locking moon into one move?

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:11 PM

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bro must hate choice items

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 9:12 PM

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spiral sand Hmm... what is the difference between itemless roaring moon in sun and booster e...

A: yes, band is good
B: itemless rmoon in sun flatlines the instant sun goes out, while booster moon can operate without weather

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:12 PM

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and yes, 369 attack with choice band is enough to justify

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:14 PM

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So something like this: https://pokepast.es/dae66e2183576edb

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 9:15 PM

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No acro

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:15 PM

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choice band acro goes hard

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:15 PM

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Oops

junior harness Aug 1, 2024, 9:15 PM

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and ur missing 4 evs on gouging

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:15 PM

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meant to replace acrobatics, not knock off, with earthquake

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fixed: https://pokepast.es/af944575bc406907

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 9:24 PM

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Honestly not a fan of life orb on wake as the chip can really hinder you, and if you’re running 4 attack bolt just run specs

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Also I would make Rmoon booster speed and wake booster spattack since rmoon can out speed more threats (like ival)

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:26 PM

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So something like this then: https://pokepast.es/9a757f64dea56aa7

spiral fable Aug 1, 2024, 9:31 PM

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Yeah aight

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Might want a sweeper out of sun but that’s up to you

spiral sand Aug 1, 2024, 9:33 PM

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Sweet!

serene prism Aug 2, 2024, 12:04 AM

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https://pokepast.es/39943479907219b5

I don't know if this is good

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junior harness Aug 2, 2024, 12:05 AM

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serene prism https://pokepast.es/39943479907219b5 I don't know if this is good

Tera grass Tera blast serperior 🔥🔥🔥

Don’t use it

serene prism Aug 2, 2024, 12:05 AM

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BRUH

junior harness Aug 2, 2024, 12:05 AM

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Like why would you use it

serene prism Aug 2, 2024, 12:05 AM

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No way it's grass

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I thought it was fire

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Bruh I forgot to change teras

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Throw me down a flight lmao

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https://pokepast.es/276dc256f1a8db27 there we go. Changed teras and added a item to chomp

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I shotgunned it too fast

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:13 AM

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hey gang could you guys rate my team please? stuck on 1400s

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im new to using rilla so i just kinda put it in there

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:24 AM

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Honestly this is a solid team tho rilla boom is just random as a whole tbh, feels like you would rather benefit from something like gambit, zama or even just a rock setter tbh

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:24 AM

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i just slipped it in to break stall

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comepletely untested rn

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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Rillaboom is not really a stall breaker

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u know who is a stall breaker

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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i replaced ghold with it

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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Woger !

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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woger?

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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Ogerpon wellspring

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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bro do you mind streaming with me?

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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Tho this really needs two things

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:25 AM

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im on game rn

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:26 AM

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I don’t normally stream

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:26 AM

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lol np

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:26 AM

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Fwiw this team needs a dark resist and a rocker as well as a ghost resist

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What is the main focus of this team btw ?

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:28 AM

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im not sure tbh. i just put a couple sets that i want + glowking then worked aroudn it

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what should my style be like when playing yhis

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:30 AM

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It really depends this seems like it wants to be BO

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:31 AM

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heres a replay

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i replaced rilla with hamu

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so the idea of having waterpon + rilla + glowking was to do future sight then switch into the appropriate guy

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:34 AM

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I think best course of action with this team at least is make this dd espeed dnite, make this pivot woger, Id bpress zama > pult, rocks ting Lu > rilla, and sludge bomb > ice beam on gking and toxic > twave

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:35 AM

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ah. i didnt really wanna give up on the dnite set cause it won me so many games lol

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ill take your advice though. do you think hamurott is a worse pick than ting lu?

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:36 AM

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H samu is not bad but here you need a sturdier ghost resist and most importantly an elec immunity which prevents raging bolt from spamming t claps

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Also ting Lu has rocks which u mainly want in any team since h samu only
Get spikes up

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:37 AM

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totally fair. my main concern with having ting lu was that id be doublng up on spdef walls

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also having 2 encores is basically my crutch rn lol

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i can credit it for more than half my wins

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could you pass me your preferred ting lu set pls? ill give it a shot

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:40 AM

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Not necessarily may seem a bit of stretch but can be nice having ting Lu sponge hits and relief pressure for going tho you can also make this rocky helm physdef ting Lu to help punish strong physical attackers like roaring moon and gambit

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:42 AM

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i made the change

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did you do 252/252 hp def?

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also whats the moveset? spikes,rocks,whirlwind, ruination?

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sorry idk how to build lu lmao

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 1:49 AM

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search it up on smogdex

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:49 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4dd273447d4bb99e final version of the team

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:49 AM

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u turn pivot waterpon?

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ill give it a try

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:50 AM

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spiral fable search it up on smogdex

Do you guys even have physdef ting Lu on dex

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:51 AM

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double whirlwind?

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is the point of this team to hazard stack

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 1:51 AM

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ruby crest Do you guys even have physdef ting Lu on dex

no but you can suggest it if you want

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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worthy compass is the point of this team to hazard stack

Not necessarily

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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wdyt of the dnite set btw? am i relying on gimmick too much

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it cleans house but idk if its fundamentally good

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:53 AM

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It’s fine tho if things like faster threats and booster mons become
Problematic then I would recommend espeed dnite to help out

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Tho you have things like ting Lu and zama fo phase out common booster users and such

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:54 AM

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really dont want to stream? voice is not needed

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need some guidance runnning this lol

ruby crest Aug 2, 2024, 1:54 AM

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Fwiw i don’t have the best reception rn secondly if you do ask for these type of things best to ask in comp general not to derail the thread

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 1:55 AM

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ok sorry

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new to the server

onyx halo Aug 2, 2024, 4:34 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c2aa446a6afc2ead could someone please give feedback on this team I made?

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 5:36 AM

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Lando isn't gonna outspeed anyone unless scarfed so I think this should be ev'd more physically. It doubles up once you get the intimidate on. I don't have much to say other than that though

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 5:39 AM

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no, fast lando is a good set

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 5:43 AM

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Is it? I mean what even is it out speeding? It speed ties with max neutral gouge, and only outspeeds as significant threats zapdos, and excadrill

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Everything else kinda runs laps on it

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 5:55 AM

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you beat tusk, tie gouging, beat chomp, beat glimmora, beat zapdos, beat rillaboom and hamurott, ghold, dnite, heatran, bolt, pelipper, sinistcha, gliscor, and primarina

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so yeaah, some threats

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 6:07 AM

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I mean what does lando do against Gliscor anyways. And def bulky lando can take 2 ice spinners from most tusks

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 6:09 AM

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worthy compass I mean what does lando do against Gliscor anyways. And def bulky lando can take ...

shuts it down then sets up rocks in its face

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 6:09 AM

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worthy compass I mean what does lando do against Gliscor anyways. And def bulky lando can take ...

you are missing teh point of lando

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 6:09 AM

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Pelipper is always getting outspeed since they run negative Evs. And raging bolt can't touch lando outside of a pulse

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 6:10 AM

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fast lando isn't some defensive wall, it's a setter with good utility in taunt to shut down opposing hazard setters, as well as various sweepers

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then it uturns out and brings in a powerful teammate

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defensive lando cannot do the same, nor does it want to

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 6:10 AM

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Fair. I'm just saying full speed might not be the best

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 6:11 AM

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full speed is the first set listed on smogdex

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 6:11 AM

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Some speed EVs are good to specifically outspeed some slightly fast threats but going full Timid max speed Ev seems like a waste

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 6:11 AM

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you need full timid with max speed to outspeed a good chunk of these threats

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 6:12 AM

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onyx halo https://pokepast.es/c2aa446a6afc2ead could someone please give feedback on this ...

this team is mostly solid but i dont like moltres here, this isn't really fat but more bulky offense (which isnt bad you just need to lean into the offense), so I would drop moltres for a mon like specs pult for a powerful breaker that can still pivot around

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also kinda iffy on hamurott but in theory it should be solid, if you find that it isn't pulling its weight you can similarly drop it for a more offenisve teammate
alternatively if you drop hamurott you can run mixed pult for a status spreader and swap hamurott for a breaker

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 6:14 AM

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Fair. I just think that bulky lando has more merits for its longevity and as a switch in to slow down setup sweeps

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Also. Regarding moltres don't you think the team is weak to corv if you switch it

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 6:17 AM

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no

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corv is fodderized by pult and doesnt like crown

worthy compass Aug 2, 2024, 6:18 AM

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Explain the pult part

spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 6:18 AM

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corv cannot hit pult, pult can hit corv

onyx halo Aug 2, 2024, 7:49 AM

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spiral fable this team is mostly solid but i dont like moltres here, this isn't really fat bu...

oh alright thankss

wheat hatch Aug 2, 2024, 11:03 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1707831804b66759 so im trying to build a balance core

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wheat hatch Aug 2, 2024, 11:03 AM

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what mons to add or what changes

tender pecan Aug 2, 2024, 11:35 AM

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We only rate completed teams here

wheat hatch Aug 2, 2024, 12:53 PM

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oh

molten dirge Aug 2, 2024, 5:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e76b590c4dd0ca36 i tried making a stall team
i'm a beginner so it's probably very bad in some way

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spiral fable Aug 2, 2024, 5:58 PM

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molten dirge https://pokepast.es/e76b590c4dd0ca36 i tried making a stall team i'm a beginner ...

unfortunately this is a bad stall team

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heatran is very bad on stall + taht set doesn't work, garg only works on a specific stall team (that honestly is pretty flawed as well), and that set also doesnt work

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honestly, all of these sets have issues

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poison point clod and merciless pex are both unviable + they have way too many offensive moves, the tera types aren't good

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you dont have any way to deal with common threats like gambit or waterpon

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Stall is the hardest playstyle to build this gen, it's extremely restrictive and I wouldn't recommend trying it as a new player

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however, if you truly want to try, refer to this document
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyxTn31r5Xg5hB3-3UE7CKWXHj07utOWT7vTBdBNQI8/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

The Stall Bible

The Stall Bible Written and Organized by: knexhawk Assisted by: Quacc and SupaGmoney Join the Stall Empire! https://discord.com/invite/dhHjPm2M79 Some building advice Every stall team needs at least one of the following: A Nasty Plot Gholdengo counter, also capable of beating Psyshock vari...

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it's a collection of the best stall sets by the best stall players

upper holly Aug 2, 2024, 6:55 PM

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molten dirge https://pokepast.es/e76b590c4dd0ca36 i tried making a stall team i'm a beginner ...

specs heatran

onyx halo Aug 3, 2024, 2:17 AM

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spiral fable this team is mostly solid but i dont like moltres here, this isn't really fat bu...

https://pokepast.es/af165b4cefbbb822 I went for Cinderace here, but there's one with Pult too https://pokepast.es/7bbabfd56c0c339d

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worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 10:40 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d39db4b7885d45b4

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Any notes?

tender pecan Aug 3, 2024, 10:41 AM

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Is there a particular reason for mental herb on prim

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 10:45 AM

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Just to stop status conditions like taunt or Encore. I think the goal is to have it as a slow booster

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For the record I didn't make this or touch it. Just found it on the threads posted by a high ladder player. I just can't make sense of the weird choices in the build

tender pecan Aug 3, 2024, 11:03 AM

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Oh in that case we don't rate it here

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We only rate teams you made

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 11:23 AM

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My bad. Thought it was interesting to figure this out and discuss

tender pecan Aug 3, 2024, 12:34 PM

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no worries

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but if you wanna discuss it you'd do it in comp general

dense gull Aug 3, 2024, 4:43 PM

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https://pokepast.es/706ce88d91561630

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junior harness Aug 3, 2024, 4:49 PM

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dense gull https://pokepast.es/706ce88d91561630

lorb dragapult isnt a set on the pivot moveset

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you get worn down by hazards super quickly

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and glowking needs that spdef investment

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or else it cant do its job in special pivoting too well

dense gull Aug 3, 2024, 4:54 PM

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got it

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other notable defects in the team structure?

junior harness Aug 3, 2024, 4:54 PM

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prolly more to change here but wait for the others to come

trail fossil Aug 3, 2024, 5:50 PM

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https://pokepast.es/db372e768ebff85c

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What do we think

brave turtle Aug 3, 2024, 8:28 PM

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dense gull https://pokepast.es/706ce88d91561630

looks like a decent team structure but i think some sets need to be changed

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imo darkspam can be a little rough, maybe u can try av prim over glowking

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 9:05 PM

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For speed boosting setup Tusk. I recommend Tera ghost. Just to act as a spin blocker to other tusks, and you can get a couple turns of setup while they miss rapid spin, and switch

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:05 PM

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tera ghost sucks

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dont use it

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if you're using speed booster use an offensive tera

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 9:05 PM

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Fire?

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:05 PM

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no, temper flare is bait on tusk and ice spinner does the job anyways

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tera ice/ground ar ebest

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tera poison ig if youw ant a defensive tera but ghost is definitely not it

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 9:06 PM

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Fire mostly for wisp immunity and fairy/ice resist

junior harness Aug 3, 2024, 9:06 PM

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tera ghost kinda just makes you lose gour gambit check

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your

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:07 PM

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worthy compass Fire mostly for wisp immunity and fairy/ice resist

you already scare all the wispers

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 9:07 PM

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Not really surprisingly. Sky high base def+max HP and a bulk up eats up sicker punch

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 9:08 PM

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spiral fable you already scare all the wispers

True. I didn't consider that

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:08 PM

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worthy compass Not really surprisingly. Sky high base def+max HP and a bulk up eats up sicker p...

the issue is, why would you do it tho

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 9:08 PM

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I'm just saying that gambit doesn't beat it

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:08 PM

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like tera ghost gives you no bonuses that you want, and gives you weaknesses that you don't want either

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and your gambit check does become unreliable

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Idk I just feel like this team needs a ghost and having Tera ghost could provide a little role conpression

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:10 PM

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the team does have a ghost?

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pult

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speaking of, since im here i might as well give a rate

worthy compass Aug 3, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Are we talking about the same team?

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There's no pult in the one I'm talking about

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https://pokepast.es/db372e768ebff85c

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:12 PM

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o i was talking about gterrain

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either way that team doesnt need a ghost

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they have three seperate fighting resists

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:14 PM

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dense gull https://pokepast.es/706ce88d91561630

like the others have already said, life orb pult is bad, if you want to use hex pult use the mixed set with boots (check smogdex for the set)
your speed control is pretty lacking (and you dont have a rmoon check) so i would consider dropping Tusk for Hawlucha, gterrain can offset hazard chip and you have two boots mons as well

delicate shale Aug 3, 2024, 9:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6bdc857fac70ff1e

spiral fable Aug 3, 2024, 9:23 PM

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if you're running screens dedicate to hyper offense

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otherwise, drop screens

delicate shale Aug 3, 2024, 9:25 PM

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Ok

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https://pokepast.es/8187666f3e41b210

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So smth like this?

stray plaza Aug 3, 2024, 10:10 PM

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https://pokepast.es/204fd82d432ad522

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psdt i love choice items

tender pecan Aug 3, 2024, 10:37 PM

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This is very all over the place

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I'll drop my 2 cents ig since I do need to sleep plus I'm not a rater but you have mons that operate on different playstyles all on one team for instance meowscarada, iron valiant, and clodsire all like to be played on different archetypes, it lacks the defensive backbone of balance teams nor the firepower behind Offence teams

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Plus some of the sets are a bit off

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Like specs pult doesn't run U turn since it gets very worn down by hazards without boots to act as a pivot, likewise with meowscarada

dusky kindle Aug 3, 2024, 10:43 PM

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Yeah I would say if you want to go for a U-turn breaker type team you need more reliable removal

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Or boots on the uturners

tender pecan Aug 3, 2024, 10:43 PM

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^

dusky kindle Aug 3, 2024, 10:43 PM

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Clodsire

tender pecan Aug 3, 2024, 10:43 PM

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Banded meow is just not very good

dusky kindle Aug 3, 2024, 10:43 PM

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Is a momentum sink

tender pecan Aug 3, 2024, 10:44 PM

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Also ghold is a weird pick considering you have no hazards of your own you want to keep up

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Not quite sure what direction you want to take this team in as it stands either

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Now I shall go to sleep

gaunt fox Aug 4, 2024, 1:13 AM

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https://pokepast.es/035631799b5bbc17

Note that Glim could cause problems at the beginning of the game and how to control it, the game is based on using Pex so any change other than that is accepted

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hasty dune Aug 4, 2024, 2:59 AM

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https://pokepast.es/561807d8b8f6144d
Trying to make a Gouging Fire bulky offense team but was wondering if I made it too defensive since a lot of my Pokemon run defensive spreads.

junior harness Aug 4, 2024, 5:26 AM

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hasty dune https://pokepast.es/561807d8b8f6144d Trying to make a Gouging Fire bulky offense...

this is more leaning towards hazard stack balance if you ask me, since i see gholdengo and gliscor

hasty dune Aug 4, 2024, 6:05 AM

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junior harness this is more leaning towards hazard stack balance if you ask me, since i see gho...

Ahh I see. What pokemon could I use instead so I can get a bulky offense archetype?

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Bulky offense is what I feel more comfortable playing

junior harness Aug 4, 2024, 6:27 AM

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iirc, bulky offense generally still use offensive mons, just bulkier and maybe slower ones. And they require pivots to be sent in more safely. When i think of bulk offense, i just think stuff like pivot glowking and lando, along with a breaker or two, plus a backbone idk

brazen robin Aug 4, 2024, 8:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/183de54fdb9f34c8 trying out using heatran and AV alomomola

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lean geode Aug 4, 2024, 9:14 AM

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iron boulder is my favourite pokemon of this gen so i made a team around it https://pokepast.es/b8234903a5d1290d

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 9:38 AM

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brazen robin https://pokepast.es/183de54fdb9f34c8 trying out using heatran and AV alomomola

ok there's a lot to go through here

AV alo is redundant, Alo's attacking stats are far, far too feeble to warrant running no status moves, its not gonna make much progress and it'll get worn down by hazards without hdb, alo's biggest selling point is the huge wishes it can pass while occasionally fishing for a burn, an assault vest is used on offensive mons who want that little extra bulk to go all out on attacking moves, Alo simply isn't that, its stats don't allow for it to be so

Harcinine as an E speed spammer is entirely outclassed by dnite in OU, who has better bulk, can set up and isn't forced into running a band to get a big punch out of its e speeds. plus harcanine is much more susceptible to hazards, and boots harcanine is again, simply a worse dnite

body press on tusk is an odd choice considering this is a bulk up set, whilst yes bulk up does boost defence, it also boosts attack and considering your ev spread close combat would just hit much harder

and just more generally this team has, no obvious structure, this feels like balance or BO but its a very exploitable balance or BO

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as for what I'd do to improve this

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I'd say drop alo, its just not rly working here, primarina might be a good alternative as a flip turn pivot that also has decent bulk

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harcanine too, dnite is again, simply better

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I'd also slot in more hazards here and there to help rack up some damage, maybe spikes on glisc and then move the rocks to tusk and make the tusk a defensive set

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so it can rapid spin more easily

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and not sure I like val here

brazen robin Aug 4, 2024, 9:51 AM

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Tysm this really helps me

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I’ll change my team around now I really really appreciate this advice!!

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 9:55 AM

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np

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if ur struggling I'd pick a sample team with some pokemon you'd like to use to see how each mon is used

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a lot of mons are only good on specific archetypes so a lot of them can't be used in tandem

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for instance blissey and darkrai don't work together since they play on two different team structures

brazen robin Aug 4, 2024, 10:05 AM

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I really liked alolomola awash that I could just switch into it, take a hit and flip turn out to safely switch into something else, but I guess if I wanna get better I need to plan my switches better and improve my prediction game

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 10:11 AM

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brazen robin I really liked alolomola awash that I could just switch into it, take a hit and ...

alo as a pivot needs heavy duty boots btw, pretty much all pivots do this gen

brazen robin Aug 4, 2024, 10:11 AM

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I see

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 10:11 AM

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it allows them to pivot without much fear of coming in again and again taking hazard chip

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alas we lost a lot of removal in gen 9 so this is the situation its been forced into

brazen robin Aug 4, 2024, 10:12 AM

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But doesn’t regenerator help negate some of the chip?

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 10:12 AM

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it does but you don't wanna be using regenerator simply to negate chip damage when you can avoid that chip in the first place and get the full benefits of regen

brazen robin Aug 4, 2024, 10:13 AM

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ok

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 10:13 AM

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plus alo doesn't benefit much from AV, its already pretty bulky and just becomes setup fodder with how weak its moves are

brazen robin Aug 4, 2024, 10:14 AM

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Tysm for explaining! I’ll take this into account for the team ❤️

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 10:15 AM

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yw

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you can come back with any updates btw if you want more help down the line

lost sandal Aug 4, 2024, 10:42 AM

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https://pokepast.es/21e411e13eea460d

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hows this

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 10:59 AM

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lost sandal https://pokepast.es/21e411e13eea460d

ok a couple things

banded rilla for g terrain HO is fine, but I'd swap drain punch for u turn, or you could run terrain extender but thats if you wanna run something like hawlucha, I'll get to that later

I'd not run specs pult, the benefit of HO is move flexibility to eliminate defensive counterplay, specs pult doesn't help in that respect and will probably only be used as a cleaner, but we'll get back to this at the end

Valiant set is odd, 4 moves ain't it and they almost always want to run encore to try and win turns to set up if they're not choiced, I'd drop knock and aura sphere for encore and cm, or potentially drop shadow ball for close combat and aura sphere for destiny bond to try and take down an opponents offensive threat with you

swords dance over ice* punch on ursaluna, otherwise this is fine

kingambit is also generally fine no issues there

Corviknight is simply a momentum sink and isn't useful here, doesn't extert nearly enough pressure on HO teams I'd swap it for a hazard lead like glimmora to cough up rocks and go down letting the rest of your team get the benefit of hazard chip while they attack

now, one option is to make Valiant a special attacking set since you're lacking that rn, and then swap dragapult for grassy seed hawlucha, with swords dance acrobatics encore and close combat

alternatively you can make iron valiant its mixed set and then drop dpult for something like darkrai

lost sandal Aug 4, 2024, 10:59 AM

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ok hold on 5 minutes i need to read this

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 11:00 AM

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mistyped something whoops

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there fixed

lost sandal Aug 4, 2024, 11:00 AM

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fire to ice right

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 11:00 AM

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ye

lost sandal Aug 4, 2024, 11:03 AM

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hmm

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corv is a very good fairy check

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which my team lacks

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also my ival set is alr special attacking set

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 11:05 AM

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iron valiant doesn't run 4 attacks unless its choiced

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and even then it runs trick in the last slot to screw over a defensive mon

lost sandal Aug 4, 2024, 11:06 AM

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i see

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 11:06 AM

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whilst the fairy type check thing is understandable a lot of the fairy types in the tier are dual type and would avoid certain members here

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you could run iron moth instead of dragapult if thats your concern

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darkrai also usually runs sludge wave for the fairies and has tera poison, for extra insurance, you can even run it over gambit if you want another special attacker

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if you don't wanna run hawlucha btw stick to banded rilla

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but if you do i'd go for terrain extender since both ursaluna and hawlucha want g terrain up

tender pecan Aug 4, 2024, 11:49 AM

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this is singles OU

atomic seal Aug 4, 2024, 11:52 AM

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guh

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ty

lost sandal Aug 4, 2024, 12:12 PM

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tender pecan you could run iron moth instead of dragapult if thats your concern

okay

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i also want to use banded rilla since that seems better than terrain extender

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