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[daring apex]

hi guys

i need a 6th member for my team

https://pokepast.es/5356907a6e4e84fb

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

We don’t rate unfinished teams here

[daring apex]

oh okay

[lean geode]

can anyone pls rate my team and give suggestions for improvement https://pokepast.es/f80eb942943cf45e

[tender pecan]

specs val doesn't use icy wind btw

[lean geode]

i just used it for gliscor

[tender pecan]

its really not worth locking into such a weak move

[lean geode]

ok

[tender pecan]

what team structure is this

bulky offence?

[lean geode]

balanced

[tender pecan]

hmmm

[lean geode]

idk if something with my team is wrong or am i just a bad player

[tender pecan]

nothing jumps out at me

granted I'm not the most experienced

[lean geode]

yes this is just a standard team

[tender pecan]

what I will say is that I really don't like the valiant set

specs is usable but icy wind is not worth it and also its not usually the choice user on balance teams anyway

[lean geode]

i was also thinking of using tbolt for flying types

[tender pecan]

cause imo iron valiant likes booster but you don't want too many single use items

you have raging bolt flying types should be fine

[lean geode]

ok

thx

[tender pecan]

if you want a fairy type choice user enamorus is usable but you'd need to keep rocks off

[lean geode]

the main pokemon i wanted to build around was iron valiant

[tender pecan]

hmmmm

I mean

thats fair

but iron valiant on balance is an odd choice

its a bit too frail

it sort of likes to come in smack things and die

[lean geode]

yes but i was watching pinkacross's balanced team guide and tried to use iv like him

[tender pecan]

is this a pinkacross team or did you make this

[lean geode]

i made this but i took the idea of specs iv from him

[tender pecan]

I see

beyond the specs valiant this looks ok, but you can wait for a rater if you want more advice

[lean geode]

ok i will take ur suggestion and try to use enamorus

or i will just wait

[tender pecan]

up to you, although there might be stuff with the rest of the team I'm not seeing so you can wait

[lean geode]

by the way thx for ur suggestion, it will certainly help

[maiden quartz]

I was wondering if I could get help on setting up my team: https://pokepast.es/688fc583b182637c

[daring apex]

any ideas on how to improve my team? i like using other unique mons that arent ou:

https://pokepast.es/a595bbb78c8ea701

[tender pecan]

Tsareena is kinda bad ngl

Like some lower tier mons have genuine niches tsareena is not one of them sadly

[daring apex]

any better hazard control mons?

[tender pecan]

Ngl you don't really need it

If you have lead deoxys you're gonna be going for hyper offence

Which doesn't really bother with hazard control

[daring apex]

how about hisuian lilligant

[tender pecan]

Hisuian lilligant only works on sun

[daring apex]

wide lens hustle

[tender pecan]

It's pretty good there, not good in any other archetype

Noob trap

Lol

Grass fighting isn't the best stab combo and you need to set up to get anything going

[daring apex]

how bout toxapex

[tender pecan]

Sun makes things better by doubling your speed and giving you great grass stab in solar blade

[tender pecan]

Toxapex is usable but not on this archetype

Offensive toxapex existed at some point earlier in the generation but even that wasn't on hyper offence

[daring apex]

any other mons i can sub in for hyper offense

detect blaziken?

get the speed boost in? idk

[tender pecan]

Blaziken is niche at best

But it is usable

Honestly

There's a couple decent HO mons that are lower tier but need screens

Like galarian moltres can be really threatening under screens

can be

Is the key word

I'd drop toxapex drop quaquaval drop tsareena

[daring apex]

aww

[tender pecan]

Specs enamourus isn't used on HO

No specs mons are actually

Choice items aren't ideal

Which leaves kingambit and deoxys and at that point you might as well build fresh

[daring apex]

half my team is gone

[tender pecan]

Or use a sample

Idk if the current samples list has any screens HO teams

But there's a couple in forum threads here and there

But I'd say see what pokemon are used on HO and come back

[daring apex]

im still keeping my old team

ill build a new one

sentimental value is striking me

[austere knot]

I always wanted to use lilligant somehow cause shes my favorite pokemon and i made this team used it a couple of time and i dont know how to feel about it idk if i should change something, tbh the only one that bothers me is gholdengo he kinda dont fit there but idk with what i could replace him with

[daring apex]

u can use pokepaste btw

[austere knot]

Ik its just easier like this

And more clear

[spiral fable]

If you want to use sash Glimmora you gotta dedicate to HO

But honestly the rest of this team just looks like a solid bulky offense, besides Rillaboom and Tusk

Swap Glimmora out for Lando-T and drop Rillaboom for Roar Iron Defense Zamazenta, and Tusk for Calm Mind Primarina and you’ve got a pretty solid BO team

[spiral fable]

Please use pokepaste, it’s easier for us to rate that way

[spiral fable]

I’m ngl this doesn’t really work as a balance team

Both Bolt and Tusk are running single use items so their effectiveness is severely diminished after they switch back out and in again, which you don’t really want on balance

Your defensive core is also pretty lacking, with only Moltres and Gking to anchor, and threats like Walking Wake, Waterpon, or Darkrai can be a serious issue

Honestly I can’t really think of a clean way to fix this, if another rater can they’re welcome to suggest changes

[austere knot]

https://pokepast.es/7353a6faa13f7843

[spiral fable]

gliscor doesnt fit on sun its way too passive, scarf wake is bad + tera blast is also bad on it

[austere knot]

its secret answer into fairy

[spiral fable]

if you want wake to have speed control just run specs + speed booster its easier

[spiral fable]

there is no secret answer every fairy type gets absolutely flattened by hydro steam under sun boosted by specs

[austere knot]

alr so what other thing i should run instead cause hurricane is like 50% accuracy in sun

[spiral fable]

flip turn

also drop scarf, just run its smogon set

[austere knot]

oh didnt knew it had this option lmao

what about gliscor

i kinda need ground type to answet electric

[spiral fable]

no?

dont build teams around "i need to cover every type"

realistically, the only electric type in OU is raging bolt

[austere knot]

i mean easy switch ins

[spiral fable]

nothing is switching in easily on bolt

so you shouldnt think of it that way

[austere knot]

so what do u recommend

[spiral fable]

honestly any sun sweeper/breaker works here, though i would recommend banded rmoon with speed booster so you can run wake with spattack booster

[austere knot]

do i need booster with sun up?

[spiral fable]

o i mean spattack boosting nature with proto synth

[austere knot]

oh

right

[spiral fable]

run choice band on rmoon and choice specs on wake

[austere knot]

what about life orb dragon dance set

[spiral fable]

nah thats bad

[austere knot]

alr

and what about kingambit

[spiral fable]

i would drop bolt, you dont need triple dragon, replace it with eject button hatterene for a one-time pivot

[spiral fable]

its fine

o yeah you should change your liligant set, make it swords dance over victory dance with tera fighting and life orb

[austere knot]

i hate life orb on her

[spiral fable]

eh, if you want to run lum you can ig but its a lot more niche and wont come into play often like life orb does

[austere knot]

cause like when im setting up she gets burned or gets to low and life orb kills her

and she oneshotts if hits super effective anyway

[graceful magnet]

are the ou sample teams on smogon outdated, and if not, which ones would you guys recommend?

[spiral fable]

#comp-general in the future, but dark spam HO is always a solid team

[graceful magnet]

thanks

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/75915761c48fa77e

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[maiden quartz]

Thanks for responding, I do have a few questions
Regarding Rillaboom, I was thinking to have it to weaken Earthquake to make it easier for Kingambit
As for Great Tusk, whilst I am fine replacing it with Primarina, would the team struggle without having a rapid spinner?

[spiral fable]

You already have two boots mons (three if you count Primarina), as well as Lando who doesn’t really care for hazards

[wise knot]

This gouging set is quite outdated and very prepped for. Team probably needs a steel type and kyurem/val aren't the best partners. They're fine but they feel kind of tacked on without much thought. I'll take a shot at fixing this up in a sec. give me a bit

[spiral fable]

You also have access to fast taunt to shut down attempts to set hazards, so as long as you keep the offensive pressure up you should be able to deny anything more than rocks

[maiden quartz]

Ok then
Here's my updated team based on the feedback: https://pokepast.es/d6742a6080bad29c
How does it look?

[umbral adder]

yeah was inspired by a recent poll in showdown lol

ik ur fixing it but what if i replaced ival or kyu with gambit

[spiral fable]

You probably want boots Primarina and heavy slam instead of crunch on Zama, but other than that solid team

[wise knot]

I have added gambit. Fair warning this is going to look very different from what you made since I think there's a few routes for gterrain and they all look very different from what you sent.

[umbral adder]

all good tryna get back into the meta after a pretty decent break so a lil lost

[maiden quartz]

Thanks for your help
Just one more thing, do I need Knock Off for Landorus-T to remove heavy duty boots from the opposing team?
Or is it generally not worth it?

[spiral fable]

Lando lost knock this gen lol

[maiden quartz]

Oh lol didn't know
Is it worth having knock off in my team, or any team in general?

[spiral fable]

In general yes, especially on hazard stack, but it’s not a necessity here

[wise knot]

https://pokepast.es/d7b5f674e70a419a @umbral adder Here it is. I think this has clear offensive synergy and defensively answers what it needs to but I haven't tested. If I have time to test it I will ping you later with changes. The idea here is that you have techs/teras on the first 3 physical breakers/sweepers to get through common physical answers/walls like zamazenta, dondozo, and moltres. Tera dragon gouging is a very strong tech proven in world cup to get through unawares like dirge and punch through plenty of walls. Tera blast electric rilla is used over fire to include moltres in its list of targets in addition to skarm/corv. Taunt on BU tusk is a really fun tech that I've gotten to 2000 with recently used mainly to beat Zamazenta and Gliscor. Kingambit provides a steel type for necessary resists, as well as a ghost resist and complements a physical spam team wonderfully by benefitting from the removal of Moltres and Zamazenta while being able to break through other phys walls with SD tera dark. Glimmora is hazards + removal since we don't have it on tusk but is also a necessary fairy resist and check to booster mons with red card. Finally, sash pult is needed since the team is remarkably slow (has priority though) and it can do the same job as glimmora in checking booster mons with sash twave.

[maiden quartz]

I see
I think maybe it might be best to try the team out, otherwise I'll end up theorising about teams lol
Thank you for your help

[wise knot]

@maiden quartz knock off is one of the best moves in the game

[spiral fable]

^, at least in singles

[maiden quartz]

Oh yeah definitely I know, it's a good move
I just can't fit in my team atm

[umbral adder]

TB RILLA MENTIONED. USED TO RUN TB ROCK IN NDOU

HOLY SD RILLA I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT IN AGES

im so hype for this ngl

[wise knot]

hope you like it :)

[fast wigeon]

https://pokepast.es/5c6842c8a37e8da6

Thoughts?

[spiral fable]

this is webs without most of the webs abusers

frankly, pz sucks, but if you really want to use it here's an (outdated) team that's probably your only bet to use pz

https://pokepast.es/10bf5ad2c6deaeaf

however, i would still heavily recommend dropping pz for a viable sweeper in the tier

[fast wigeon]

Pz baits Dragapult

And OHKO's

[spiral fable]

it... really doesnt

[fast wigeon]

It has every time ive use it so far

[spiral fable]

im going to be honest, usage in low ladder really doesnt represent anything

[fast wigeon]

Fair

Tho this is my team for low ladder

[spiral fable]

yes, but we build teams for all ranges of ladder, not just low ladder

[fast wigeon]

I can upgrade to something better later

[spiral fable]

If you don't want to upgrade your team, then i don't know why you're here asking for a rate, frankly

[fast wigeon]

I just wanted to hear what people thought about it so far

[spiral fable]

then this team is deeply flawed and needs several changes, unfortunately

like i said, this is webs without most of the webs abusers

garg, meowscarada, and p-z all don't fit here, and should be replaced with sweepers that can abuse webs

ie serperior, zamazenta, roaring moon, gholdengo, raging bolt, etc

also you should always run sd + sucker punch + usually kowtow + iron head/low kick on gambit, not 4 attack

and ribombee should not run qd cuz frankly you're not going to get a chance to fire it off, either run skill swap to beat hatterene or psychic noise to chip glimmora

[wise knot]

@umbral adder I don't think the team needs any changes. I'm 7-0 in top 100

[fast wigeon]

https://pokepast.es/994daa59182f4651

Started using this team just now

Taking a minute to get used to it

[spiral fable]

drop quaquaval for ddance roaring moon, drop spikey shield on ogerpon-c for low kick, swap ghold's item to air ballon and drop tbolt for psyshock, make ribombee tera steel

iffy about iron moth and dnite picks but they should be fine on paper

[fast wigeon]

Iron moth actually does pretty well once it starts to get going

[fast wigeon]

I'll do this after the battle

[spiral fable]

gambling on a 50% chance to proc is not very consistent

[fast wigeon]

Fair tho it's working so far

[spiral fable]

like i said, they seem fine on paper, though i would consider dropping them

[fast wigeon]

I'll change it out once it gets more iffy

https://pokepast.es/5327b72ae68eb149

This is what it looks like after the changes

[spiral fable]

ok

[dusky kindle]

Not sure if anyone got to this, looks decent. Since gliscor main counter is zama and metal birds maybe boots Bolt with volt switch could be good to keep them switching out and wear down with hazards

Would make a nice pair with flip turn Samurott as well

[last frost]

cute idea thankyou, feel like i should change one of the other sets to have more immediate power then

[last frost]

maybe booster moth instead then?

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/d1f4f1a37c3cacd4 my team OU gen 7

what can I improve

[last frost]

maybe its just cause im pisslow bad but i feel like any successful team i make requires some stronger immediate progress making mon

[fierce basin]

This channel is for gen9ou

[sly mauve]

ah ok

sorry

[fierce basin]

It's okay there's just a separate one for past gen ous I think

[lean geode]

Hi i made a new team trying to use zamazenta (becuz my old team was pure garbage) so pls tell what can I improve in it https://pokepast.es/fe8aca989964c908

[delicate shale]

Faya when non-OU (Rockpon is B+):
https://pokepast.es/e8f070bcbc546891

[dusky kindle]

Yeah immediate power is always good, so maybe booster spA moth could be a good Wallbreaker. In general tho gliscor sd is a bulky win con more than an immediate win con, you will have to wear the team down to clean up

[devout sail]

What is torkal for

[lean geode]

rapid spin

i was thinking of replacing it with tusk

but it was also good defensively

[dusky kindle]

You're gonna love this

Tusk is also good defensively!

[lean geode]

yeah i know tusk is good defensively but then i will have 2 ground types but i will try with tusk also

[dusky kindle]

What's empoleons role here
Spdf loses to many of the popular special attackers in the tier like Valiant (focus or cc), raging bolt, focus blast darkrai..
And doesn't do much back

And you already have av iron crown for steel special defense

[devout sail]

Torkal is good exclusively on sun

[delicate shale]

I threw it on b4 anything else and just went from there

Seemed like a cool build around

But prolly don't need it now

[spiral fable]

I don't know what point you're trying to prove here, but Empoleon isn't even ranked on the VR anymore so if you wanted to claim I hate non-ou mons you probably shouldve picked one that's actually viable in the tier first

[candid fog]

LMAO

[lean geode]

i will replace it with a leftovers tusk

[livid knot]

Yo is this a good balance team https://pokepast.es/fae6857628487490

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[dusky kindle]

well to build around it you should pick a set that will do something. here's an example of a game where empoleon was used decently recentlyhttps://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-773205

[dusky kindle]

Its a bit offensive more than balance tbh, I feel like clefable isnt very good right now. Might sub out for Ting-Lu. And then skarm can also be something else since ting brings spikes. Maybe gliscor moltres or zapdos

I'm also number one meow hater and i also think sash pult is a weird pick for balance

[onyx monolith]

Tried my hand in making a balance team and was hoping for feed back on it

https://pokepast.es/e744cde0e9ffffd5

[livid knot]

This better https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

[bleak burrow]

https://pokepast.es/797556dca51676bb

[pulsar ferry]

https://pokepast.es/a578e199fe56dd2f

[fierce basin]

This is a link to the teambuilder

[fierce basin]

This is 6-0d by waterpon

[crimson ferry]

https://pokepast.es/7e89eeb9a0dcc5e6

Am I cooked or what

[spiral fable]

this is standard ho, i would just swap out kyurem for another threat (ddance kyurem is kinda iffy and really only works on snow imo), and drop focus sash on darkrai for expert belt (this is honestly kinda preference), and other than that you're good to go

good job

For replacements on Ddance kyurem, you can pick stuff like rmoon, or dnite, or even calm mind iron crown if you wanna have some fun, etc just pick a sweeper that's fast/can boost their speed

[crimson ferry]

I appreciate the review fam

[spiral fable]

yep, this is just a solid ho

might struggle with stall a bit so you can mix in stuff like taunt rmoon black glasses gambit psyshock on val etc

[crimson ferry]

Yeah i'll make some changes

[warped forge]

https://pokepast.es/212111636fc53c6d
suicune is on my choice kyurem team!

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[spiral fable]

ok but why

[warped forge]

uh

bulky setup

im going to put a fighting move on great tusk, i forgot to change the preset

[livid knot]

Is this better https://pokepast.es/a716cfd4befcd018

[delicate shale]

This was sent on a Friday night, ofc I say stupid shit gm. What do I replace

[devout sail]

y u dissin d dance kyreum

thats the goat

[devout sail]

scarf/specs darkrai might be better to have a better mu into stall

[spiral fable]

it really doesnt

also specs/scarf mons aren't good on ho

[spiral fable]

don't give out advice if you aren't experienced in the tier please

bad advice is worse than no advice

[devout sail]

top 4 is simply not enough experience anymore smh

[spiral fable]

then you should know that specs and scarf darkrai both do not work on hyper offense

[devout sail]

trick + choice item does good into stall

[spiral fable]

not really? stall has multiple item absorbers and you lack the power to do anything

like congrats you trick choice scarf onto gliscor for a toxic orb, now you do 20 into the rest of the team

[devout sail]

shoutout ice beam

[spiral fable]

that does nothing into pex/muk/clod/blissey

[devout sail]

its a 50/50 tho

which is better than 0-100

[spiral fable]

no?

[devout sail]

50 > 0?

[spiral fable]

ok, so you tricked blissey's boots or clod's boots

what now

clod doesnt care if it can only click poison jab/psting/toxic, blissey will happily spam seismic toss into this team

im sure that rocks chip will rack up real quick, a whole 6% on clod while their spikes and rocks will rack up damage much, much faster

[devout sail]

it becomes a lot harder for them to recover

[spiral fable]

so?

[devout sail]

And the ship adds up

so they cant wall nearly as effectivly

[spiral fable]

hyper offense can't afford to play a long, drawn out chip game against stall

because you will lose that 99 times out of 100

what happens, you toss out a dark pulse into clod and do 20, it poison jabs you and does 30 + poison damage?

[devout sail]

now gambit is fully safe and you have gotten chip for later

[spiral fable]

yeah im real sure that blissey is going to want to wall kingambit lategame

or clod, or gliscor, or muk

no dozo in their right mind is switching in on darkrai, and that's the one gambit wants removed

[devout sail]

reliable recovery is a key part of stall

[spiral fable]

trick mons have a worthwhile place on many archetypes, but ho is not one of them

[spiral fable]

stop arguing in the theoreticals and think about it logically in a game state

[devout sail]

The theoretical of I get a trick?

[spiral fable]

how does tricking scarf onto clod do anything

clod still walls all of your special attackers

still can threaten back with poison jab

[craggy atlas]

did i cook

https://pokepast.es/105fa13b3a3a5e13

[spiral fable]

you can't 2hko

[devout sail]

the point is that it cant recover

[spiral fable]

so?

[devout sail]

So it gets chipped down

[spiral fable]

by what

[devout sail]

And eventually does lose to rai

Rocks and anything it switches in on

[spiral fable]

shame that stall has a whole secondary mon to also handle special attackers

three, even, dpeending on the archetype

while you dont have boots on most of your own mons so you lose hp much faster to spikes and rocks

[devout sail]

mortal spin

[spiral fable]

glimmora is not surviving long enough to spin multiple times

[junior harness]

What’s going on here? Is this guy really top 4?

If he’s top 4 he’s probably met stall.

[crimson ferry]

Argument is pointless imo

I'm not choicing darkrai 😭

[livid knot]

https://pokepast.es/73a4b9b424f932b1 I think this is some heat

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[wise knot]

this is a bad "rule" to follow. HO can accomodate choice mons sometimes

[spiral fable]

sure, like scarf enamorus on that dark spam team

but i think for the vast majority of cases you dont want to run a choiced mon, especially in this gen

[wise knot]

I don't think the scarfrai suggestion is bad in this specific case

[spiral fable]

they already have val and gambit as speed control + scarf rai isnt really going to be breaking any stall, which was their whole point

[wise knot]

I disagree, this is a fairly slow HO team with gambit + kyurem + non-max speed zama

it could use a scarfrai to emergency check a lot of booster mons like moon and val and wisp zama/gambit

and the trick against stall is just a bonus

[quick bluff]

🍿

[spiral fable]

well i already suggested dropping kyurem for rmoon/dnite so im basing off of that

[crimson ferry]

I've done too

Just slapped ddance dnite on there

[proper heron]

Hello! I'm new to the channel so hopefully I'm not doing things too wrong but here's a team I just made and was experimenting with today: https://pokepast.es/c7cbad7c03874943

[viral sable]

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[proper heron]

I feel like my teams rely too much on the defensive core of Glisgor for physical defense and Gloking for special defense and I'm a pretty mid-to-low ladder player so any advice is appreciated and ways to branch out from my crutches would be nice

[spiral fable]

So why av treads?

[proper heron]

I needed a spinner first and foremost and I wanted more defense from ice beam

In general, other steel types might be better because the team does not like ice types (Kyurem especially) and Treads is only neutral but I do like it as a spinner/Ghodengo answer

[dusky kindle]

I dont think you need a spinner on this team tbh

grassy terrain helps recover some health and since you're mainly bulky offense you shouldn't need to switch around 100 times

[gaunt fox]

https://pokepast.es/180025871b770dc8

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[tender pecan]

so a few things

generally tera ghost on hamurott is reserved for the lead set, its alright but tera poison flips a lot of its bad MUs on their head, tera steel is also pretty decent for boots hamurott

loaded dice dnite is kinda gimmicky and while yes scale shot is cool, its usually not worth your item slot for it, its usually boots to try and preserve multiscale

if you want a loaded dice ddance attacker kyurem might be your guy

but otherwise this looks fine

[hasty slate]

https://pokepast.es/11574b03fc423ed3 so my boys in OU showdown cooked this team up for me and Idk how the fck to use it

[gaunt fox]

Kk

[gaunt fox]

dnite loaded is a set that I rarely found in OU and I wanted to try it anyway I will take it into account

[gaunt fox]

Why speed on mola?

[hasty slate]

No idea

Slower mola is better bc it ensures a safe pivot but they told me to give him some speed so idk

[gaunt fox]

https://pokepast.es/988f22358bf0f00e

[viral sable]

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[gaunt fox]

It is not necessary, slow will always be better

[karmic lake]

https://pokepast.es/6c6711fdf58408f9 this is a team i made at work out of boredom

[tender pecan]

covert cloak is kinda gimmicky in singles let alone on ghold

[ocean pumice]

lefties ghold, don't run steel flash cannon kyu

run draco/ep

[ocean pumice]

tera blast phantom force seems redundant no?

this sounds weird but the analysis suggests quick attack

[fast wigeon]

Covert cloak only good against moves that either cripple you stat wise with a bunch of stat drops or moves that can flinch or status but more often than not it's not worth the item slot

So I honestly agree with this assessment

[tender pecan]

It has a use but ghold already blocks a lot of moves yk

[sudden hornet]

https://pokepast.es/8d8e5e980366e468

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusky kindle]

Politoed really has no notable advantage over pelipper
Immunity to spikes / earthquake is way more useful than some special defense

Not using Barraskewda means your whole team is out sped by booster energy Valiant and also scarf darkrai, not good for a hyper offensive team

Rain in general has a pretty rigid structure so if you want to mix it up it's more about members 4-6 and you should keep pelipper / Barraskewda / probably tusk

[wise knot]

covert cloak is to allow ghold to set up on garganacl. Please let the team raters give advice

That being said I'll get to these in a sec

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/98391fc5615d1e00 idk I tried doing bulky offense with cinderace

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[livid knot]

https://pokepast.es/d8feccaff184ac94

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusky kindle]

first look its a bit passive, this is more balanced than bulky offense. You are not going to break stall with this, you don't have enough hazards for opposing fat, no knock off means boots are going to hurt

ogerpon is your hardest hitter which is great but everything else is pretty weak

[pallid jetty]

You can’t use non-damaging moves with Assault Vest equiped

[livid knot]

oh shit

gotta change that

https://pokepast.es/b767b7a321dc97a9 fixed

[pallid jetty]

@livid knot looks like you have bulky Gholdengo, better to have somthing like thunder wave over dazzling gleam

[livid knot]

ok

[pallid jetty]

And

[livid knot]

Should I give H-rott AV

[pallid jetty]

Facade gliscore won’t do much, protect> facade, Earthquake or knock off> uturn

[pallid jetty]

I’m sorry what

AV?

[livid knot]

Assult vest

[pallid jetty]

On who

[livid knot]

Samrott

[pallid jetty]

No

Scarf is better

[livid knot]

ok

[pallid jetty]

Boosted facade actually does less damage then stab earthquake

[livid knot]

Ok

How would you rate the team out of 10?

[hardy plume]

https://pokepast.es/d1835465a9b14931

[spiral fable]

so 2/3rds of this team is not ou

[pallid jetty]

Have your team is weak to ground & no flying Pokémon or levitate

[spiral fable]

and while it's possible to build around a few uu/lower mons, i would not recommend building a whole team full of them, especially since you're lacking sand staple excadrill

[hardy plume]

wouldnt be to flying but the original pokemon i before kroo was supposed take care of that but tagged uber

[brave turtle]

if u wanna run scarf jirachi on sand use the paraflinch set, but personally i found sand really tough to run in current meta

exca over treads tho they can fulfil the same role plus exca gets sand rush boost, and if ur running mixed ttar run icebeam over either eq or fireblast just for gliscor

[hardy plume]

i usually use trick depending on opponents team

and their first pokemon out

[pallid jetty]

Try adding a couple ground resistances or immunities

[brave turtle]

you can run this set
https://pokepast.es/e02677fb0d4fc947

[pallid jetty]

Forgot about healing wish

[brave turtle]

why its a solid support move, only other candidate move is body slam for para chances ig

[pallid jetty]

Yah I know

[hardy plume]

would corviknight or hydreigon be good swap for iron treads

[spiral fable]

corv would be better yes

you should also drop krook for excadrill

theres more issues than just that but ill wait for another rater to get to them

[hardy plume]

ok

[pallid jetty]

https://pokepast.es/390b8e0ec8985298

Made some adjustments

If you want you can use roost>protect

https://pokepast.es/10652d63bbc9232a offence cleffable

[hardy plume]

https://pokepast.es/e3e552f0beabe84e how about this?

[pallid jetty]

No stealth rock?

[spiral fable]

this teams offensive presence is pretty lacking and its defensive presence isnt much better

please don't give advice if you aren't experienced and skilled in the tier

[pallid jetty]

Exadrill needs speed & corvanight needs defence

[pallid jetty]

Tried to not change any Pokémon

[spiral fable]

banded drill is bad, vest ttar is bad, mental herb corv is bad, quaquaval is mid and so is jirachi, this team gets 6-0ed by waterpon
You're leaning too hard into the sand gimmick, you don't need every mon (except quaval) to be immune to sand as you're going to struggle to get ttar in often anyways

[spiral fable]

i understand, but please don't give advice if you aren't experienced and skilled in the tier, as often bad advice is worse than no advice

[pallid jetty]

Well it’s not mine

[spiral fable]

You are suggesting adjustments to the team, which is advice

[pallid jetty]

Basic level

[spiral fable]

There's bigger issues with the team that you should point out before suggesting small improvements (and also you made adjustments for the wrong tier? You made the team in natdex ou and suggested a natdex OU change, in roost on gliscor)

[hushed lynx]

what's your idea?

[dusky kindle]

you should decide if you want to be more offensive or more balanced

if offensive, try like av slowking, knock off on ogerpon to start

i dont really like enamorus there also

i just think calm mind is kinda bad

youre not very fast, not bulky at all, lose to most priority

good special boosters are like valiant, sinistcha, darkrai

latias maybe

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/3bcaeff28e22fabe idk

[dusky kindle]

knock over play rough

on oger

but looks better

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/882998849d3cd4a9 physical spam HO

[sly mauve]

I'd like to keep my iron val if possible

[lament flare]

https://pokepast.es/13a18f83f1ac1a76 id like to keep most of my team if possible

[viral sable]

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[hasty slate]

https://pokepast.es/52a47855b6b4a1be

[delicate shale]

https://pokepast.es/96e60279d6afba03

[dusky kindle]

I mean it's ok, you're naturally going to run into trouble with stuff like bulk up tusk, Alomomola, gliscor, moltres... Most of which you have to deal with with zama roar or tera fire, but if you want to do all physical I'm not sure I would sub anything out. Mixed valiant is always a solid choice

[dusky kindle]

You don't have much for kyurem, I would maybe go a bit more offensive on cinderace and put low kick over wisp. It's also missing 4 evs. Otherwise just do your best to play around gholdengo and you should be ok

[versed coral]

https://pokepast.es/07bdd37a0ef46a65 How do I fit knock off? I 'd like to keep glowking for fsight into fighting type

[molten dirge]

second team https://pokepast.es/ec280cb1f824ad5a i'm kinda new so please give feedback specially on moves/items, also if some mons seem off on this team tell me

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[lament flare]

okay i changed it thanks

[pallid jetty]

Why do all off your Pokémon have heavy dirty boots

[dusky kindle]

Boots spam is meta

Sometimes you just can't fit hazard control lol

[pallid jetty]

But 5 boots

[sly mauve]

Okay thanks :)

[blazing zephyr]

that cant be right, i just ran like 5 matches using a team that had deoxys-speed

[fierce basin]

this is not national dex

this is the channel for svou

natdex goes here

[pallid jetty]

O damn

I am in the wrong chat

[fierce basin]

Hi,
pretty much all of these sets are unviable but I'll tell you why for the sake of education before telling you to grab a sample team
Deoxys speed doesn't have the bulk to warrant an assault vest, if you're really not gonna run anything like hazards or taunt then you'd be better off with boots (but not with this set, if you want physical coverage run superpower without a -atk nature, and you should have psycho boost)
clodsire should be water absorb or unaware, and this set is unviable as you generally don't want pokemon that do nothing (kingambit or any other setup guy sets up +6 on this and wins for free)
kingambit should never run an AV because you're missing out on swords dance. Do not run air slash for tusk, if you're gonna do some crazy tusk lure you're better off with grass knot it has higher base power against tusk
garg is the closest to being a real set, but you're better off with something like protect/curse iron defense/body press or rocks over stone edge and thunder punch.
Sash pult is real but it's mainly used on more offensives teams in my humble opinion, and the set is no good. Sash pult shouldnt be uturning out imo, Phantom force lets them switch to their check
Heavy slam is not good on heatran
2/3 of your team is weak to ground and you have no immunity or resist
you're 6-0d by hazards with no removal
In the future, I would check out the smogon strategy dex which has sample sets and explanations for why pokemon run those sets. Or if you're brand new, you're probably even better off grabbing a sample team to learn the metagame before trying to put one together yourself
hope this helps, good luck and have fun
sample teams https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
SV smogon strategy dex https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/

[spiral fable]

counter clod also isnt good as it crumples to most physical attacks

[lament flare]

i struggle agasint fairy pokemon what do i do

[hasty slate]

why is my boyo melmetal banned free my mans he did not dol nun wrong

try gholdengo

idk

[lament flare]

thanks

[spiral fable]

please dont give advice if you aren't experienced and skilled in the tier

[spiral fable]

What fairy tyeps are you struggling against?

[lament flare]

hmm

i can’t remember of the top of my head but

i feel like they put pressure on me the most

[spiral fable]

im gonig to be honest, i cant really see how

primarina beats enamorus and most variants of valiant, and cinderace can act as an emergency check if need be

ig opposing primarina can be annoying but you can pivot into meow and force tera/ko with flower trick

and clefable isnt a threat

if you have a replay i can suggest some more tips but on paper this team shouldnt be struggling

[lament flare]

if i get a replay ill show u

and i replaced kingambit for gholdengo

[spiral fable]

dont

put gambit back

[lament flare]

why?

[spiral fable]

gambit is a strong offensive and defensive anchor on your team that offers speed control, clean up lategame, and a good check to threats like pult ghold darkrai etc

meanwhile, ghold does not fit well on this team, as you aren't particularly in need of its defensive profile (fighting types aren't really an issue, nor are status spreaders for this team), and its offensive profile isn't really helpful here either nor are you hazard stacking, so its ability to block removal isn't very useful either

[lament flare]

https://pokepast.es/9048877d9b96b42b

[lament flare]

okay i re added king back and changed a few stuff

[brave turtle]

if ur gonna run dnite i think you should try to slot espeed, a diff mon might be better with a sd scale shot set like chomp or hax

[spiral fable]

you should defo run knock over sucker punch on meow, you should porbably run the av primarina ev spread from smogdex, i would recommend low kick on cinderace over hjk to avoid being punsihed by switchins

[spiral fable]

nah that set is fine

[lament flare]

i used to use extreme speed but i rlly never actually used it

[lament flare]

i forgot does low kick ohko kyruem?

[spiral fable]

yes

[gleaming edge]

Idk if its the right channel to ask and im sorry if so, but is choice specs knock off darkrai a viable set on a hazardstack balance team?

[spiral fable]

#comp-general

[lament flare]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2162720503 how do i beat him? (i am the opponent in this replay)

is his team just better than mine?

[hasty slate]

._.

Gholdengo is the goat do not underestimate big bro

[brave turtle]

not sacing prim turn 5 maybe, also i think this the wrong channel

[lament flare]

my fault

[spiral fable]

yeah you should post it in #comp-general in the future, but sniper is right

you sacc too much

[lament flare]

should i keep using my team or switch

[brave turtle]

prim singlehandedly wouldve won u the game but u gave it up wayy to easily

[lament flare]

yeah true

[dusky kindle]

In general stick with your team but if you're not sure about it you can try using a sample team

[coral egret]

how do i post a team to be rated? i climbed from like 1100 to 1500 with no losses in the last hour or so hahah

https://pokepast.es/e2b2a66914b7d625 any skilled players have opinions about this? im kinda a noob, but this seems like a decent team.

[junior harness]

Wood hammer is not really great on ogerpon, as the recoil damage leaves it vulnerable to revenge kill attacks. I know that power whip misses hurts like crazy but you can use horn leech.

[junior harness]

Also just me, but since you got quite some hazards on the team, gholdengo looks sweet here.

[lament flare]

k

[coral egret]

ok youre probably right about wood hammer. idk about dengo. the speed control of pult is rly nice, so maybe scarf dengo? ig part of using pult was to have an answer to water ogerpon, which might be a little easier now that im using my own ogerpon

[lament flare]

also do i need more special attackers i only have one

[spiral fable]

eh its fine for now

[lament flare]

drop stealth rock on great tusk for bulk up?

[spiral fable]

you need rock

[junior harness]

Choice items on HO is fake

Don’t use it

[lament flare]

also calm mind or av prima,

?

[spiral fable]

av

[lament flare]

oh what about specs

or nah

[spiral fable]

no

av you need the bulk

[junior harness]

https://pokepast.es/d1f010176eda4867
Yo did I cook with this one?

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

knock oger is mid, encore or play rough

[junior harness]

Ok I assume there’s nothing else?

[spring plover]

hello please give feedback on this team

https://pokepast.es/1678b81ff791e75a

[fierce basin]

I like the team but it's 6-0d by moonblast so you're better off running terablast fire kyurem, flips the fairy weakness and helps break skarmory since you have 5 physical attackers. Can also make Hawlucha steel
Rillaboom imo doesn't need full speed you can run just like 84 to outpace
Be wary of glimmora t spike going down it's really bad for you
You could fix the fairy resist and t spike issue by slapping iron moth on over bolt (I'd recommend this) or you can just play around it. Alternatively you could run seed ghold over kingambit as your fairy resist, but it's just another option to consider
Speaking of other options if you get sick of 1 special attacker you could sub in grassy seed hatt, that's one of my favorites on gterrain
I think Hawlucha should run encore over sub so you can beat skarmory
I'm on mobile so I can't give you an updated paste sorry. Hope this helps Glhf

[gaunt fox]

Use iron crown for Kyurem imo and need Speed control

[lament flare]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2163351608-3xpk6fjrxrenbaqcqekvl511gpm9jiipw how to stop bulk up rapid spin great tusk?

[spiral fable]

Post these replays in comp gen

But you should’ve gone prim instead of tusk

[lament flare]

thx

[lament flare]

also should i run will o wisp instead of Low kick cinderace?

[spiral fable]

no

[spring plover]

Tysm ✨

[livid knot]

https://pokepast.es/9126fdd6b1cfb240

[viral sable]

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[brave turtle]

imo the jirachi set should be strictly physical or special, a mixed set means it provided minimal value on both sides on an alr mediocre mon

also what is eject button on the mola for lol

healing wish also doesn’t rlly provide value on mola since there’s not really anything on the team you’d need to heal up that you can’t do with a simple wish pass

[stray plaza]

https://pokepast.es/c8e585d4c967fafa

[glacial panther]

Can I have a stall team please?

[tender pecan]

This isn't the place to ask

Just ask in compgen

Or check samples

[glacial panther]

Samples are outdated

[fringe mesa]

https://pokepast.es/0e955bad0b053ed0

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/c753512fb0c813f0 some team that focuses around sword dance gliscor

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[lament flare]

i have a big problem against choice band first impression lokix. idk how to stop it

[quick bluff]

you have dnite tusk and gambit

also lokix is a niche enough mon you don’t need any super reliable cplay

those three should be fine

[lament flare]

hmm

alr

[delicate shale]

https://pokepast.es/606902654e6961ca

I was bored

[daring apex]

https://pokepast.es/4e6bf8245714dad4

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[daring apex]

sorry changed up a few mons

https://pokepast.es/fc23997eeb863c46

[junior harness]

We don’t use brick break kingambit, we use low kick.
Mental herb is cool tech but save that for draft leagues.

Dragon claw isn’t a good move on roaring moon

Why use crunch when you obviously have knock off?

[junior harness]

Replace with taunt or earthquake.

Idk what the heck is ting Lu doing on hyper offense

That haxorus set is absurdly bad, you don’t need it unless you really struggle with the glorious big stall.
And even if you do meet stall this set is not gonna help.

Flash cannon gholdengo is bad, use make it rain.

[daring apex]

https://pokepast.es/06452bae46ae8ad7

heres the new team

switched up a few things

any mons i could sub in for hyper offense?

[daring apex]

i pack mental herb just in case i might get encored to sucker punch

[livid knot]

https://pokepast.es/c0b624cb9df27184

[junior harness]

Ting Lu isn’t hyper offense, hyper offense is a suicide lead like glim, deo or ribombee and 5 sweepers.

[junior harness]

Too specific to justify, better to use lefties, balloon or Tera dark black glasses

[spiral fable]

^

[junior harness]

Haxorus ain’t viable unless you are looking for some hyper stall destroyer

And uh this set is bad

[delicate shale]

https://pokepast.es/606902654e6961ca

[daring apex]

Wdym lefties

[tender pecan]

leftovers

[daring apex]

Ah

But kingambit in my team is basically a last resort

When everything goes to shizz kingambit can sweep by itself

[spiral fable]

Yes, and you definitely don’t want mental herb then

Gambit would much rather prefer the added longevity from lefties, or the extra power from black glasses, or the utility from air balloon

[inland peak]

Played ladder for the last week for the first time in months came up with this https://pokepast.es/0a5051463c60a549

[tender pecan]

this looks ok but there's some issues

gliscor and especially glowking are pretty slow, you don't really want something like that on non webs HO teams

your goal in HO is to just hit fast and hard and try to preserve momentum until you win

[delicate shale]

This feels very BO

[tender pecan]

ghold is also a bit odd here, the trick scarf thing could be a safety net against walls like dondozo but otherwise is not ideal

[tender pecan]

the team name is darkrai HO so I assume thats what they're going for

[delicate shale]

Yeah but it looks BO

[tender pecan]

it does

as a BO team this is better tbh

other than treads ig

[delicate shale]

What do we tell 'em to change? (Or do we just let them figure it out)

[inland peak]

Should I just make it BO?

[delicate shale]

Yea

[inland peak]

bcuz making gliscor or gloking faster is doodoo

[delicate shale]

I'd run a bulky gliscor here

And Crown > Glowking

(Glowking is a fine mon, I just like volt switch)

[inland peak]

my gliscor is bulky peep spread

[delicate shale]

No like

[inland peak]

unless you mean spdef

[delicate shale]

Hazards protect toxic

Defensive

Gliscor

[inland peak]

ohhh

ok

[delicate shale]

And I'd try to fit in uturn somewhere here

[daring apex]

Tho i wanna add zen headbutt to deal with zamazenta, kingambits worst nemesis

Bro ruins my crazy ahh comebacks

[junior harness]

Iron defense still cooks.

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/84c68fb943f3b434
can I have opinions on this garbage?

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

lucario isn't good on ou and banded lucario definitely isnt good on ho

[echo tartan]

life orb it is then

[spiral fable]

i dont know why you asked for help when you didnt want to listen but aight

[echo tartan]

and other than lucario, so if I would make the team actually usable?

so If I replaced luca with zama

[junior harness]

Iron defense zama is usable on HO

[tender pecan]

^

Body press hits very hard the tradeoff is that your other attacks don't hit as hard as offensive zama would

Plus it provides somewhat of a defensive stopgap while being a threat offensively

[spiral fable]

Usable is underselling, ID Zama is a great mon on HO that can be a check to opposing sweepers while sweeping on its own

[echo tartan]

So I guess I can make decent teams after some filtering

[daring apex]

https://pokepast.es/2214296ea28d435c

[viral sable]

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[daring apex]

my slightly improved hyper offense team

the reason as to why i dont have any ivs on iron moth spa is to make booster energy raise speed

https://pokepast.es/3c7b5f2631dede7f

[fierce basin]

Please do not remove IVs to lower your special attack just take some of the EVs out of spatk

The smogon strategy dex should have the speed boosting set for iron moth. Removing spatk IVs is self sabotage

[daring apex]

hows this

i want booster energy to boost speed

to get off a fiery dance fast

https://pokepast.es/9957696751217fbb

done

[haughty pewter]

https://pokepast.es/583830e343719d10

[spiral fable]

Horoark isn’t viable, swap Darkrai to nasty plot three attack

[haughty pewter]

what pokemon should I swap Horoark with?

[spiral fable]

Kingambit, Roaring Moon, Waterpon, you can pick any of em

also swap out recover on ghold for psyshock

[delicate shale]

https://pokepast.es/92105a11b6bc2b58

[viral sable]

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[delicate shale]

I feel like I'm forgetting something

Like a mon I forgot to check

Or a move that just wrecks me

But im blanking

[delicate shale]

https://pokepast.es/59d1685bf1d20dcc

Barra > Basc, Boots Zap, Diff Treads set

[haughty pewter]

Sure have made the changes thanks!

[gentle venture]

https://pokepast.es/4e19b5320dabbc8a wanted to build something around zapdosG defiant + decent bulk + knock off directed me into a HS team any advice ?

[delicate shale]

Add gholdengo

Idk where tho

[versed coral]

https://pokepast.es/8d4b756ee35b8cfa
Im new to building sun, what are good options for 5th and 6th?

[gentle venture]

I mean than theres no meaning behind zapdosG tbh sinistcha is a better spinblocker anyway imo

[delicate shale]

Defog?

[gentle venture]

While defiant doesnt block it discourages the opposing corv you dont see defog corv that much anyway

[delicate shale]

Fair. But like, having everything in one mon to me just feels better than having this mon beat this and that mon beat that

And defiant just feels more like a bonus than anything else

And not like a true way to stop defog

[daring apex]

slap in kingambit at the back

[delicate shale]

They can still click it and like

[daring apex]

when everything goes down to ashes

trust kingambit and sucker punch

[delicate shale]

Give you the boost

[delicate shale]

GOATED MON

[daring apex]

kingambit is the ultimate mind game

should you sucker punch, but risk being baited to a status move, or kowtow cleave and die to a quad effective move

[gentle venture]

Or lum berry kowtow fuckery

[daring apex]

then they send out a zamazenta and youre fucked

or skarmory

or any physically defensive mon

or iron valiant

[tender pecan]

only completed teams go here

so this would be in #comp-general or #comp-general-2

[blazing zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/23646179df788877

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[blazing zephyr]

can someone please rate this team? friend built it for me, team is centered around raging bolt and scarf keldeo

[tender pecan]

these are just surface level observations not a full rate

but heavy duty boots over leftovers on ddance dnite

its to preserve multiscale

[blazing zephyr]

got it thx

[tender pecan]

also this is an HO team but not sure if some of the choices here I agree with

[dusky kindle]

Scarf keldeo is really bad

in a metagame with ogerpon-wellspring

if anything mystic water, life orb, lefties cm maybe

but its not a great mon

[tender pecan]

keldeo in general is a bit eh

you can run a cm set on it ig

[brave turtle]

had a good run on ladder with tera flying scarf keldeo to flip the rilla and waterpon mus

[tender pecan]

also ngl iron crown might just prefer a booster energy here to come in and start denting things

stored power is a nice idea but you're banking on weakness policy

[dusky kindle]

but you dont need scarf for this

[tender pecan]

not unusable but inherently inconsistent

[dusky kindle]

in fact youd probably prefer lefties calm mind

so you can switch between water and not water moves

another point with that team is no hazards, generally you will want some hazards to deal with sash and other opposing offensive threats

[tender pecan]

I think I'll just leave the rest of it up to you chris cause its late plus I'm not a rater lol

[brave turtle]

i kept it as a general revenge killer not a breaker, scarf lets it ohko/revenge things like kyreum and rm among other things

but thats just my opinion cm sub sets could be nice against slower balance teams

[dusky kindle]

crown can revenge kyruem

and dnite can revenge moon

even better would be zamazenta who can kinda do both

would also be mroe sturdy vs opposing physical like gambit, opposing dnite and tusk

[blazing zephyr]

yeah i learned the hard way

can anyone suggest some changes to that lineup?

otherwise i might just end up deleting it lmao

[tender pecan]

well if you rly wanna use keldeo

cm life orb might be better

keldeo generally doesn't have much to offer in comparison to the tiers other waters sadly

gets absolutely mogged by primarina, waterpon is a poor MU, etc

[bleak burrow]

https://pokepast.es/797556dca51676bb

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[blazing zephyr]

no i dont have any special preference towards keldeo

honestly he's been pretty ass for me ngl

im not too particular about keeping any pokemon in that squad i just want to know what changes i need to make in order for the team to actually be competitive

[spiral fable]

Drop Keldeo

[tender pecan]

Yeah as faya said

Much better water types in the tier

[dusky kindle]

Use zamazenta or darkrai over keldeo and see how that goes

[mortal nebula]

https://pokepast.es/b84647485af30094

thoughts?

[spiral fable]

this team is just all over the place

you have ho mons, balance mons, and rain?

pick a style and dedicate to it

[mortal nebula]

pelipper isnt there for mainly rain, its just good into tusk and yeah it can help me against sun

moltres and valiant for sweeps

[spiral fable]

ok but without a rain team pelipper is better replaced by... just about any other mon

similarly, gmolt and valiant need to be backed up by other offensive mons, not anchored by ting lu

[mortal nebula]

without pelipper i dont think i m winning a sun matchup

[spiral fable]

a properly built team can cover for sun without running 5v6 vs everything else (and a proper sun team beats this anyways)

[mortal nebula]

i wanted to create a team centered around gmolt sweeps so i made this

valiant can sweep if gmolt cant

[spiral fable]

ting lu anchors your offensive mons, your offensive mons means you cant fall back on your defensive mons because ting lu gets overwhelmed

you're running three different team styles and none of them work together well

[mortal nebula]

so um how do i fix this

[spiral fable]

pick a playstyle

hyper offense, rain, or balance

then build around that

[mortal nebula]

my initial thought was that i d have my other team members whiddle down the opponent till valiant or gmolt one shot everything

is that inrealistic

[spiral fable]

doesnt really work since your other team members can't really whittle down the opponent

[mortal nebula]

un*

[spiral fable]

the idea of "other team members whittle down checks so sweepers clean up" is solid

that is the idea behind hyper offense and bulky offense

but you need mons that can actually pressure said checks

aka other offensive mons

not passive ting lu, choice scarfed ghold, pelipper, and cinderace

[mortal nebula]

any suggestions?

[spiral fable]

screens is probably best for gmolt

build around that with mons like gambit rmoon zamazenta kyurem dnite darkrai etc etc etc

[mortal nebula]

okay

[grizzled mural]

https://pokepast.es/6b9941b38b9dffb3

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[grizzled mural]

Returning player, something in between a BO and HO

[lean geode]

hi i would like to post my team with darkrai https://pokepast.es/2e09086766f6bf09

[gleaming edge]

ngl i dont see how that team breaks fatter teams like stall

maybe some more breaking power would work better here

[lean geode]

can you suggest some mons that i should replace from this team and add new ones

[gleaming edge]

ill relegate that role to someone who knows better than i do ie some with the helper role 😆

but that aside an example ould be trying to change a set like iron valiant into having choice specs (seeing as u have lots of speed control already making u not need the booster that much)

but idk if that alone would be enough

[lean geode]

ok i will try specs valiant

[gentle venture]

Easier solution would be running psyshock on val imo it pressures both clodsire and blissey at worst you can force a tera and tbh im not a fan of double choice items on a single team

If you want to run choice items you could consider trick for the last slot it can cripple something

[grizzled mural]

https://pokepast.es/6b9941b38b9dffb3

[tender pecan]

https://pokepast.es/714b1322781c9ca3 ngl I don't really like cinderace much in the last slot but not too sure what to swap it for

[lean geode]

ok

[tiny grotto]

https://pokepast.es/4f542c716a121e78

[spiral fable]

im ngl choice scarf greninja is pretty bad + why is zama rocky helmet + what team style were you going for here?

[tiny grotto]

i was going for bulky offense, youre right bout choice scarf gren i was looking for a revenge killer but hes pretty meh, for zama i was going on a damage punish on pivots and physically bulky mons that would try to stay on him but i was thinking bout changing rocky to lefties

[spiral fable]

Tusk is kinda meh as a BO lead, Lando or Gliscor are usually better so they can pivot out

[grizzled mural]

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[dusky kindle]

You are pretty weak to gouging fire so maybe tech tera fire onto Zamazenta instead of fighting

[grizzled mural]

Dang I forgot about gouging fire

[dusky kindle]

I'm also not sure I like moon on here

Doesn't really fit the bulky offence mold

Dragonite might be better or ogerpon with knock

[grizzled mural]

How about a bulky tusk

[dusky kindle]

Then it can come in a few times at least

[grizzled mural]

Water oger I’m assuming

[dusky kindle]

Sure yeah

Helps against water too

As you would be losing your only water resist

[grizzled mural]

This set look alright?

[dusky kindle]

Yeah

Maybe U-turn over sd if you like

Or encore

[grizzled mural]

Sounds alright

[dusky kindle]

Though yeah if no removal then probably just sd

[grizzled mural]

What about a dedicated gouging counter

[dusky kindle]

Well you have zama it's pretty good

[grizzled mural]

Seems like a Tera sink though

[dusky kindle]

Just suggested tera fire for that extra safety

[grizzled mural]

I see

[dusky kindle]

You don't need to tera right away

[grizzled mural]

So how do I specifically counter gouging with zama in the first place

[dusky kindle]

Well the first time you switch in you have +1 defence

So you tank pretty well

[grizzled mural]

I see

[dusky kindle]

Get up hazards, don't let it set up for free

[grizzled mural]

Any other major weaknesses in the team?

[dusky kindle]

Yeah spikes

But idk what you do about that lol

[grizzled mural]

Good point

[dusky kindle]

Esp with crown you'll want to pivot a fair bit

[grizzled mural]

Could switch gliscor with a spinner

[dusky kindle]

Maybe yeah but then your out hazards

[grizzled mural]

Removes my defensive core with dengo too

[dusky kindle]

Maybe just boots on some stuff

You can pressure Samurott with crown

[grizzled mural]

Could anti lead with oger against gliscor too

[dusky kindle]

Yeah try with that and see how it feels

[grizzled mural]

How about bulky tusk

Switch that for Zama

Two attacks bulk up+rapid spin

[dusky kindle]

Dragonite could work too

To dodge spikes

And yes tusk can work over zama

[grizzled mural]

Dragonite’s exposed to gouging isn’t it

[dusky kindle]

Not necessarily

Tera normal espeed does a solid chunk

I ment over oger

[grizzled mural]

Ah

So ekiller over oger and spinner tusk over zama

[dusky kindle]

Yeah that sounds good

[grizzled mural]

I retain my water and ground resists and get a spinner out of it

I don’t have any water coverage though

[dusky kindle]

Also gambit check stays and you add priority

Dnite is water check

It's good vs ogerpon and Barraskewda

Just weak to like primarina and walking Wake

But crown handles that

Mostly

[grizzled mural]

I meant in the ways of water type damage I can put out

But I don’t think there’s a lot of use for water coverage is there

[dusky kindle]

Oh

Nah it's not needed specifically

Do headlong rush knock bulk up spin imo

[grizzled mural]

Aight

Same EVs?

[onyx monolith]

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[spiral fable]

!pokepaste

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[onyx monolith]

Do you think I should make weavile lowkick on this team?

https://pokepast.es/e744cde0e9ffffd5

[tender pecan]

bump

[gentle venture]

You could use a special pivot imo sinistcha can be overwhelmed easily and it needs a turn or so to get going also np darkrai likes to choose its matchups so having another pivot helps it a lot for example future sight pivoting from iron crown works pretty good but any of them works tbh if you want to have a way to deal with hazards AV treads is a
option too

[tender pecan]

I read that as special pivot sinistcha

I'm also wondering if I should just commit to bootspam, cause sinistcha can get worn down by hazards so idk if I should swap lefties for boots

[fierce basin]

hi,
grassy terrain imo shouldn't mean stack pokemon that lose to earthquake. Great tusk still owns too much here and is a supremely common mon that can ice spinner away the terrain.
I would replace your glowking with a grassy seed hatterene to take advantage of terrain. This also allows you to play with items instead of boots spam on 2/3 of your team (which personally I don't like, I think boots spam is something you have to lean entirely into otherwise your team isn't going to have the longevity to warrant the 4 item slots)
I like bulk on rillaboom but you still need at least 84 speed to outpace gliscor
make tusk booster so you have a more potent wincon that isn't outsped by half the meta
I would make heatran spdef now that slowking is gone, imo phys def without flame body is a bit weird. Also you can put it on a balloon if you want. This will act as your ghost switchin since your team didnt have one before (weavile does not count it's getting uturned on for over half)
Weavile tbh doesn't fit here at all, I guess it came with the glowking? Can do a couple things with this slot, you can do something like grassy seed ghold if you feel weak to valiant, can do lucha, can do fast earth power landorus to help your matchup against lead glimmora if you feel uncomfortable with the boots and t spike absorber gone (I'd probably do this). This also frees up the rocks slot on heatran for something like wisp to catch stuff off guard as it tries to break your balloon
Lastly, I'd probably swap the specs off of bolt but this is preference I suppose. I think calm mind with booster or leftovers could go hard here, but I'm leaving it as specs because the name of your paste is "grassy terrain specs bolt"
These are pretty significant changes that you didn't even ask for all you asked was about the weavile moveset that I removed but I hope this maybe helps anyway. Glhf
updated paste: https://pokepast.es/6efb5f12f1347dc6 edit: swapping tusk tera to poison

[tiny grotto]

https://pokepast.es/faf5a2af2f67ec94

[south raptor]

https://pokepast.es/b0aebd7c60094c9b

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[south raptor]

i dont think taunt on heatran fits

since heatran is slow

and i rarely ever use it

if im wrong about taunt then im open to constructive critism

i just remembered for when i magma storm a tanky mon

taunt stops recovery

[gentle venture]

Poor wording ı quess
Bootspam helps but hazard stack teams have multiple knock off users so its not a definitive answer if you dont have a knock off absorber but yes it definetly works thats why ı mentioned AV treads alongside the usual suspects its bulk is decent with AV and can get rid of the hazards also it kinda synergies with sinistcha defensively imo

Anyways take it with a grain of salt btw you should wait for a reviewer

[onyx monolith]

Thank you for the feedback!

This team was my first attempt at a balance team after watching a Pinkaross video on it, I did want to try building around choice specs neck at the beginning so I chose to have it be grassy terrain for potential EQ threats, admittedly Weavile is mostly here because I just like Weavile and wanted an excuse to add it to the team lmao, the vision there was I wanted something fast and priority for things like moon which Weavile brought, as well as if anything were to tera ground against Neck they'd make it so I could revenge kill with Rills and Weaves, glowking was also added because I like glowking and the chilly reception could help get in neck safley and give weaves a def boost, when using the team it got me up to 1600 which is the highest ive gotten on a team that Ive made myself, the way I dealt with tusks was mostly by predictions like a draco on a switch or revenge killing with rills and weaves, which was fun but minimizing the need for that is good, I appreciate you actually building an alternative team for this by the way, really cool to be able to compare my team with one of someone who actually knows what they are doing

Also thanks for the Rillaboom speed EV tip, only mon I had specifically chose to out speed gliscor was neck and I never once considered doing the same for Rillaboom, Ill keep this in mind for future teams, thank you!

[fierce basin]

I appreciate your appreciation even though you only asked about a moveset switch LOL happy to help and congrats on your new peak

I realize now I didn't specify it but I feared the booster bulk up tusk matchup, it isn't like your team couldn't handle any tusk at all

[tender pecan]

hmmm alright, I experimented around with stuff like tusk but I didn't like stacking several flying weak mon alongside the fact that ground and fighting are both there

and zamazenta has been way too good of a defensive lynchpin/countersweeper to drop

[onyx monolith]

Oh dont worry about it I was initally asking for feedback on the whole team but I never got an answer from anybody so I kept using the team and since I was winning most games I just decided I was fine with it, and the booster tusk thing is very true I wound up getting swept by one the other day after mistakenly letting it bulk up twice assuming my own tusk would put it in Glide or ice shard range (It did not)

[gentle venture]

Bump
treads slot is a leftover set from a previous version of the team where i runned gliscor instead of ting-lu hazards arent that big of a problem other than toxic spikes ı was thinking of running a grounded poison ( moth ) instead of treads any other advice would be good too

[gaunt fox]

https://pokepast.es/1aac8771e7b1549b

[spiral fable]

gapdos just kinda sucks

[dusky kindle]

Going to agree that zapdos is bad overall. If you really want to use it you will need agility probably as things like valiant and ice beam darkrai or deoxys are an easy answer

That means hyper offense so yeah you will want things like moth over treads, suicide lead over ting Lu, maybe iron crown over tinkaton

Kinda redoing the whole team at that point

[dusky kindle]

Personally don't like av crown with no hazard removal, maybe try tusk instead of landorus.

You already have spikes so you should be ok hazard wise

[gentle venture]

Ok then so gapdos gotta go

What can i switch it with

Zama ?

[dusky kindle]

Yeah why not

[gaunt fox]

Wouldn't it have a weakness against ground without a flying type?

[dusky kindle]

Tusk itself is a pretty solid check against a lot of ground moves

But you can always add like balloon to kingambit

Though might also be worth switching from darts to Draco on dragapult for opposing tusk

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/4ad380d545ea1803

I feel tho the team has potential in some way I just see a underlying weakness to high speed and strong physical attackers as most of mine are special attackers and defenders

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/8f50aefdec695955 i tried my first ever hazard stack

[spiral fable]

ok so the weakness here i see is the fact that this is a vgc team and this is the sv ou rating channel

(post it here lol https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499)

[sly mauve]

Oh idk how to like know what the team falls under mb

[rigid socket]

can you look at mine then?

[dusky kindle]

Having tried Quaquaval myself recently I can assure you it is trash in the current metagame

I also used heatran funnily enough who I'm also not a big fan of

You have a good core with ghold, gliscor, hatterene, and Samurott

I would say change gliscor to knock instead of tspike

Then pick some other bulky offense mons to go with it like maybe ogerpon-w if you like water and want to pressure a bit

And gouging fire can be a good Wallbreaker and win condition

[frank marlin]

https://pokepast.es/5425fbacd3691590

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[frank marlin]

Willing to take any criticism

There stats are different on my switch but you get the idea

[hidden crescent]

Is this a doubles Team?

[frank marlin]

Yuh

[hidden crescent]

This Thread is for Singles. That being said, Tork is just better than manual sun and Sableye as a whole isn't too great, also, Murkrow was Reg A, Whimsicott is better with HH and TWind, while also Having Encore to stop all the setup.

[rigid socket]

ok how should i try to sipn then or should i just magic bounce everything

sorry about answering way too late it was 5 30 for me when you answered

[dusky kindle]

Yeah I think bounce is ok

Counter lead other Samurott with your own

[ocean juniper]

https://pokepast.es/6b93e36a6bcafff9

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[ocean juniper]

what should I change?

[ocean juniper]

btw

sub on gliscor is

u turn

[dusky kindle]

Idk lol

You have a lot of tera ground

Gliscor probably wants water or maybe ghost

Since you're a bit weak to roar zamazenta

Serp ground is ok but something else would be ok too like fire or fighting

[junior harness]

Ngl I feel kinda weak to bulk fires rn

[junior harness]

https://pokepast.es/78615724938f9544

I want to build around zama and specs kyurem, anybody?

[ashen dove]

Hey, I'm relatively new to the whole showdown thing, I was recommended a false swipe gaming video some time ago and that led to a lot of pokeaim and blunder video recommendations.
Watched them for some months and finally decided to try showdown for myself.
Made a team, have been playing for almost a month now, currently stuck at 1300s, but it's probably me and not the team.
I wanted to see what other people thought of my team, since I have no friends that play showdown or even know that Pokemon exists outside of cartoons.

https://pokepast.es/54c353c008c082a4

I looked around everywhere, and picked some of the most fun™ sets i could find. I personally don't have any complaints about the team. But that's probably because idk what I'm doing to be honest.

[karmic lake]

just out of curiosity, did you think of synergies when making the team or just stuck 6 sets you liked together?

[ashen dove]

I don't think I know what you mean by synergies, but I know the team is somewhat weak to fairies and Tera steel dog heavy slam usually takes care of that

I also looked at the viability chart that you can see in teambuilders, so I know I'm not using any bad Pokemons

[karmic lake]

because sometimes you can do things like have a webs setter (like ribombee), and add gholdengo. gholdengo helps keep the webs up with its ability, and ribombee with the sticky web helps gholdengo outspeed pokemon it would normally be slower than

or if your team is weak to something like a dragon type, you can add a pokemon like clef (this is just an example)

[ashen dove]

Oh yeah I battled against those teams a lot, having a speedy taunt really helps

[karmic lake]

also just because you use 6 good pokemon, doesnt mean that they work well with eachother

[ashen dove]

Do they work well with each other?

[karmic lake]

if i knew more about teambuilding, i could properly tell you but if i did, i'd tell you

it does honestly look a bit weak to zama tho

[ashen dove]

Deoxys psycho boost one shots Zama tho no?

[karmic lake]

or offensive tusk with knock off

[ashen dove]

Tusk too

[karmic lake]

yeah, but your opponent can predict psycho boost

and switch to something like kingambit or any other dark type

[ashen dove]

I can predict their prediction too, that's the whole game I think lmao

[tender pecan]

banded kingambit isn't a real set, the last thing you want to do is lock into a move as kingambit and get punished hard for it, the only potential gain is surprise factor but since kingambit is at its best as a reverse sweeper, making it choice locked hurts it severely

you have a bit of anti synergy with the gouging fire set, you have booster energy ddance but then you have dragon tail? your only dragon stab ignores your speed boosts and always goes last, defeating the purpose of ddance gouging, dragon tail can work on more defensive sets on hazard stack teams but this isn't one of those cases, swap if for something like eq

eject pack on deoxys doesn't really do much for you, based on the moveset this is a suicide lead deoxys? those usually hold focus sash to guarantee at least 2 hazards since deoxys naturally outpseeds just about every other lead with sufficient investment alternatively mental herb is an option to shake off opposing taunts from deoxys,

mirror herb on zama is situationally useful, generally you'd rather something more consistent, albeit its not awful, I'd just rather hdb on all out attacking zamazenta,

everything else is ok although ngl I'd go with 3 attacks trick on scarf darkrai rather than will o wisp, since darkrai can't really afford to miss it.

oh btw on kingambit low kick is preferred over low sweep, its p much used solely for other kingambit

and since kingambit is pretty heavy and low sweep is generally pretty weak, low kick is preferred

this is leaning into HO, you just need to fix some sets, otherwise its fine

[tender pecan]

oh ye bump again

[ashen dove]

Banded Kingambit is something I made for the suprise factor yeah, although I have felt the restriction sometimes bite me in the ass, I've also seen the suprise KOs it can produce. You're probably right tho, Tera fire blackglasses Kingambit is probably the way to go...
Dragon tail gouging fire is something I saw being used in a championship and I copied it as is, I'm sure there's a reason behind it.
Deoxys is not a suicide lead? Eject pack is there specifically to make sure it doesn't die. You deny/stack hazards, then eject out and keep it in the back as a great tusk/Zama check.
I personally have no idea about the Zama set, i just copied it from somewhere. Sometimes i switch it into a roaring moon's DD or a Kingambit's SD and it just decimates everything from there, sometimes i switch into a nasty plot and it does less than nothing, gimmicky overall, i would have switched to a different set and i feel so conflicted between roar sets and non-roar sets that I just never bothered. It works fine tho...

[tender pecan]

dragon tail gouging is used on stuff like bulky sets, with burning bulwark + morning sun, those sets usually forgo booster in favour of leftovers or boots or something, its good but its either ddance or that not in the middle

deoxys is also wayyy too frail to come in repeatedly if you want to use eject pack, that taunt steal rocks set is the lead set, and the main reason for it is that it shuts down nearly every other lead aside from hamurott

meaning it denies hazards anyway while you get up your own thanks to taunt and outspeeding everything

midgame deoxys sets do exist but they're usually fully offensive

or 3 attacks + rocks

or 3 attacks taunt

[ashen dove]

I've copied the gouging fire set word for word, this is exactly what he played

[tender pecan]

you get the idea

[ashen dove]

https://youtu.be/sHjzONPFDuQ

[tender pecan]

I mean its probably for a specifc team yknow, like the set probably works somewhere but there's a reason he used it on the championship team, but there's a reason why this usually isn't used, more avant garde sets pop up in tours to catch people off guard, it could be used to deny other setup sweepers I'm not too sure

generally speaking tho you don't need to deny other setup sweepers if you're going for HO, you're just tryna break them open first

you have taunt + status spreading with hexpult

idt its too necessary

[tender pecan]

yeah the sole idea of that gouging set is denying other setup mons while you continue to set up, its a surprise thing to deny their wincon

but again there is anti synergy there, opportunity cost is everything

[ashen dove]

So what should I change/try

[tender pecan]

the bulky setup set usually runs earthquake

it also sometimes runs heat crash over flare blitz to avoid recoil

while the offensive set usually just 3 attacks + ddance

[ashen dove]

No, like, in the team as a whole, what mon/move should i change to make the team better

[tender pecan]

the mons are fine for the most part, I just had some gripes with the sets

what team structure are you going for

cause this is nearly HO

[ashen dove]

That's the neat part, I'm not.

[ashen dove]

I mean if u say so, i just slapped them all together because the sets looked fun

[tender pecan]

yeah you kind of have to go for a team structure 😭

no pokemon is good individually, it needs a team around it

alomomola and iron valiant are both great, when used together they counteract how the other wants to play

for instance

[ashen dove]

Also, just wanted different people's opinion, what Tera do you Kingambit?

I've seen fire, flying and dark

[tender pecan]

fire flying fairy dark fighting are all stuff that exist

the most common ones are dark fairy and flying

[ashen dove]

Fire to dodge wisp, flying to dodge ground, and dark for stronger suckers i guess?

[tender pecan]

fire is usually to prevent burn attempts