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[round briar]

Cause regenerator is good enough I guess

[cold zodiac]

yeah i fixed it to -def. also i found hex still ko's fairies who block dragon darts

i agree wth slack off but i just kept it there in case i needed to wall or sm. idk what else to put

[round briar]

Those fairies must be statused and no spd invested bruh

What fairies u killing

Either way I wont run mixed attackers tbh

[round briar]

Probably future sight or sludge bomb

[sly mauve]

hi i'm pretty new at this, what should i consider changing?
https://pokepast.es/6519a668d957884d

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[quick bluff]

please don’t give advice you aren’t qualified to give. Mixed hex pult is in fact the most common pult set rn due to its ability to spread status and hit special and physical walls.

first off, while hexpult is a real set, it should always be hasty (or naive ig, you just want + speed)

second, half these mons are unfortunately unviable. Veil HO is solid rn but cetitan and havalugg are most certainly not the way to go about it.

Slowking also doesn’t fit on HO as it’s more of a defensive pivot, and snow turns aren’t worth running icy rock because it wants boots so badly. (or av)

I’d recommend scrapping this and looking at samples to get an understanding of the metagame. If you’re looking for veil builds, I could pass you one if you’re interested!

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[quick bluff]

this looks pretty standard and overall solid, just would drop skarm in the last slot as it’s a momentum sink for an otherwise offensive team.

I’d probably drop it for the standard lando-t set

[sly mauve]

ah i see i wasnt using it before because i have tusk already

[quick bluff]

i think on a squad with gambit and glowking doubling up on the two is fine

[sly mauve]

i used skarm because i wanted something that resists grass moves better

[quick bluff]

alternatively you could also drop tusk for cinderace

[sly mauve]

i think my rest of the team is pretty weak to like ivy cudgel or power whips

[quick bluff]

i think between lando t and specs pult you have ogerpon checks if you play well but

[quick bluff]

this could also help in the pon mu

[sly mauve]

oh sure ill try doing that

[sly mauve]

whats pon mu?

oh matchups?

[quick bluff]

ogerpon matchup yeah

[sly mauve]

alright thanks

[weary crypt]

Don't talk in here

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/d793ed24d0ec3b13

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[echo tartan]

I guess we're not rating this one then

https://pokepast.es/84a22a2512e39828
opinions?

[spiral fable]

Serious question, why are you running webs with no webs abusers

[cobalt root]

Can anybody give me shedninja team ima tryna clap cheeks

[spiral fable]

its not in gen 9 and this isnt the right channel for this stuff

[echo tartan]

no revenge killing = )

[spiral fable]

if you're going to run a webs team with no webs abusers just run glimm ho anyways

[echo tartan]

k

[spiral fable]

(and pult, hamurott, and tusk dont fit here)

[echo tartan]

did the smogon page lie to me again?

[spiral fable]

?

[echo tartan]

smogon page saying that special pult, tusk and hamurott are good teamates for NP darkrai

[spiral fable]

nasty plot darkrai fits on a variety of teams

on some of those teams, yes, tusk hamurott and special pult are good teammates

not hyper offense

[echo tartan]

I maybe should run rillaboom > hamurott

[spiral fable]

no

if youw ant ho rillaboom doesnt fit

[echo tartan]

k

I do have a feeling that psyshock darkrai could be viable

[spiral fable]

eh

has its niche but generally you want coverage for other threats

[echo tartan]

like hamurott and kingambit?

[spiral fable]

yes, or primarina/clefable

if you're pivoting to glimmora ho ( which you should), drop hamurott for rmoon, tusk for iron valiant, and last slot i would recommend dnite but any other fast sweeper is fine

[echo tartan]

thx

I have a feeling the last move slot on darkrai just decides what your counters are going to be

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/10fc50eb678a9643

[clear sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/1630adba83a12219 so i havent had a problem so far with this team (its built around an interesting gallade set i found on a natdex team that made it to #1) but i see a lot of offensive overlap between gallade and meowscarada, so are there any other fast band or specs pivots that i would replace with meowscarada?

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[spiral fable]

3/6 ofthese mons dont fit on webs

or ho in general

weavile meowscarada and gallade all dont work here

[clear sentinel]

i disagree on gallade bc its at the speed that can just outspeed dragapult with webs

but im fine on switching everything else

[spiral fable]

ok but why are you using gallade in the first place

its just a worse attacker compared to other threats

webs is already an extremely volatile playstyle that lives or dies by its hazard so you need to maximize the utility you can get out of it

[wise knot]

it has merit. it's been used "successfully" in the past

[spiral fable]

when was the last time gallade has been used in like a tourney match

[clear sentinel]

i just like gallade man

[wise knot]

this person is not trying to play in a tournament

[spiral fable]

but it does indicate the viability of the mon

[wise knot]

people have done truly high ladder with it

ok and?

let them play gallade

[spiral fable]

ig plaws if you are fine with running an unviable mon

[wise knot]

it's not unviable ffs dude

literally vert has brought fezandipiti to 2 tour matches recently

[clear sentinel]

im fine w/ it but is there anything better i can switch weav and meow then?

[spiral fable]

other than that drop weavile meowscarada for two mons that like webs up (you probably want serperior for anti court change, then pick one of rmoon/zamazenta)

[wise knot]

if a mon is bad but has merits you can build around it

I think gallade isn't fitting on webs tho

webs is very constrained

[clear sentinel]

mk thanks guys

[spiral fable]

you can also pick up waterpon if you want a better stall matchup

though zamazenta/rmoon work better if you lose webs

[wise knot]

if you want to post in the teambuilding lab on OU forum to remind me I'll build you a gallade team

[clear sentinel]

thanks i'll probably try soon

[clear sentinel]

also thanks this is a good idea

[bold elbow]

hi can someone give me tips to imrpove this team? https://pokepast.es/9136698d6569b299

i think its pretty weak to kingambit

[devout sail]

You could run low kick gambit

Tera ground on enamorous as well

[junior harness]

This is an HO team, but you git band rillaboom, choice items on HO is almost always bad.

[molten talon]

Lf a HO team I dont want a sample team off of smogon but was hoping to catch a team here
So if you are having one rated here can you @ me as well?

[sly coral]

wanted to try something different with my team, so im trying out this team with sinischa and iron crown. any recommendations?
https://pokepast.es/989784d540348309

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[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/ad5116adac7f1cbb
opinions?

[nova sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/e54da53b28b10aff

Any improvements or input would be appreciated :)

[nova sequoia]

Personally, i would change the Darkrai for a expert belt coverage set since you already have glim with a focus sash.

[fierce basin]

Hi,
You've opted for a dd kyurem set walled by kingambit and outsped by booster tusk even after a dd
You need to run jolly so you outpace booster tusk +1, and dd kyurem needs to run terablast last move for coverage (either ground or fire, or even elec for ayylmaola, I like fire because it also flips the fairy type matchup)
Idk why you chose tera ground without terablast. Presumably you imported the smogon set since that's the default tera option on import, and then changed the nature and 4th move yourself. If that's the case I would recommend not doing that until you have a stronger grasp on the metagame so you don't shoot yourself in the foot.
Hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[echo tartan]

was that last part really needed?

[nova sequoia]

you asked for opinions.

[fierce basin]

What part, the glhf or don't change sample sets if you're new to the metagame?

Sorry if it came across rudely I meant it w good intentions. Hope you have a good rest of your day

[nova sequoia]

i'm conflicted with this team, i enjoy using donsire core, but i feel like i can't build a proper team around it.

[covert socket]

Not sure if my reasoning is correct but dozo and clod usually arent seen on archetypes outside of stall and semi stall bc of how momentum damaging they are. Ofc on stall that doesn't matter because you have 4 other mons to cover their defensive weaknesses but your other 4 mons are all offensive in nature and dozo and clod just eats any momentum you might have while getting chipped down until you slowly lose mon by mon bc you don't have a defensive switchin to mons that clod and dozo can't handle. Even if you play super aggressively by double switching every time you bring them in, eventually they'll get chipped down and will have to spend a turn recovering, leading to the same problem. If you really want to keep using dozo and clod, I would recommend looking into stall or semi stall teams.

[spiral fable]

Yeah you’re right good reasoning

Iron valiant is also awkward here since the rest of your team likes to switch in often but Val is a 1 time switch due to booster energy

[molten talon]

Dont apologize to this dude, hes delusional if he read that message as offensive

[echo tartan]

you're starting to make me think it's offensive lol

[spiral fable]

Spidget didn't mean it to be an insult he's just making a good point about how you shouldnt be changing sample sets

If you view that as an insult, that's up to you

[echo tartan]

He did give some really good points

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/44db1d1f1a2ebf0b
opinions?

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[spiral fable]

in the future we don't give rates this often so you should wait a bit

[echo tartan]

see you again to ping in 6 to 14 hours

[spiral fable]

but lando doesnt fit here, drop it for zamazenta

and swap out darkrai's sash for expert belt

[echo tartan]

I guess its aplicable with veil

[ruby crest]

Why is iron moth Tera ground if you aren’t Tera blast might as well do fairy and honestly would rather make kyurem mixed dd

[echo tartan]

k

[lament flare]

https://pokepast.es/aee7c59f4e67038f

what should i work on my team??

[tender pecan]

this looks fine, but fyi primarina doesn't rly use sparkling aria

[lament flare]

why not tho

[tender pecan]

not that its really that bad but you don't wanna potentially heal a burn

plus surf is just

sparkling aria but without the burn heal

especially cause molt is on this team

like you hit something with a will-o-wisp and you potentially heal their burn later

[lament flare]

true

[lament flare]

are the evs and items fine

i didn’t know what tera to use

[tender pecan]

generally yeah, I'd say do the offensive kingambit spread tho

if you're running dark glasses tera dark

basically swap hp investment for speed

and then your choice of adamant or jolly nature

I prefer jolly in case another gambit is faster so you could maybe speed tie but thats just me

you don't need too much of a damage boost afterall

oh yeah assault vest prim usually has flip turn somewhere

I personally prefer twave on glowking over slack off but thats not rly a criticism moreso just personal preference

ig what I will say is that the majority of this teams firepower rests on gambits shoulders

[quick bluff]

i would say sparkling aria works on teams without wisp

[lament flare]

got it

[quick bluff]

since it's able to bypass sub which surf can't

but yeah if you're running molt def do not run aria

[tender pecan]

psychic noise does that too ig but aria stronger tbf

again sparkling aria isn't bad its just not good if you wanna spread burn

[lament flare]

meow has band?

[tender pecan]

banded meow is

well

eh

[lament flare]

i spam knock off a lot

[lament flare]

why did nintendo do that

heal the opponents burn

???

[tender pecan]

iirc for doubles

its a dumb secondary effect but we move

[tender pecan]

banded meow does hit decently hard but thats still a lot of pressure on a choice locked mon

[lament flare]

true

[tender pecan]

giving up momentum hurts sometimes

its usable tho don't get me wrong

but I hate locking into a move on meow

it has some pretty funny buttons to press

hmmm, maybe you can switch prim to a calm mind set?

gives this team a bit of extra punch while maintaining its pretty decent defensive core

that allows you to be a bit more flexible with meow if you want to

idk if thats the best direction but thats my idea

[lament flare]

hmm

[tender pecan]

cause ngl I like banded meow a lot as a cleaner but you already have kingambit as that, so it could be a boots pivot ig

[lament flare]

i can prob switch

[tender pecan]

is there a mon that doesn't do too well for you or not really

[lament flare]

galar slow king tbh

[tender pecan]

hmmmm

i can see why it might be a bit redundant here, but I wouldn't be sure what to swap it for

[lament flare]

is there like another sdef wall

[tender pecan]

well you kinda have one in prim

moltres also has ok special bulk

[lament flare]

maybe a physical wall then?

https://pokepast.es/4091512cc0d495ca

here’s the team now

[tender pecan]

yeah maybe

idk if garg is the best choice tho

I'd wait for a rater lowkey

[lament flare]

dondozo…?

it overlaps typing tho

[tender pecan]

dozo doesn't fit here tbh

[lament flare]

hm

[tender pecan]

it just slows you down

[spiral fable]

im really not a fan of banded meow here

or rocky helmet gking

you dont relaly need a knocker when your only hazards is rocks + meow does horrendously into the mons that really care about rocks (the birds)

i think something like either weavile or even banded pult would be much better

and if you're running vest primarina you should just run the sample set on smogon

[lament flare]

i was about to swap meow into scarf or boots

[spiral fable]

scarf is even worse cuz then you have no breaker

if you're running non hazard stack balacne you need to lean heavily into breakers/greater offensive pressure

and since you dont have kyurem on this you need a banded/specced mon

[lament flare]

oh

i think i see

[spiral sand]

https://pokepast.es/b4258975fe7b2167
Anything I can improve?

[brave turtle]

maybe air balloon on gambit boots doesnt really do too much since it resists rocks anyways

also zama gets walled by pult and dengo so maybe crunch over heavy slam

[spiral sand]

I think I need heavy slam. Otherwise even with dengo this team is terribly weak to fairy types and gets destroyed by iron valiant, for example.

Thought that zam being walled by pult and dengo didnt matter so m8ch since I have 2 dark types and drag and dengo.

[spiral fable]

you're going for hyper offense but most of these mons don't work on glimmora hyper offense

gholdengo is too slow and prone to easy revenge kills (and you dont' need its hazard removal blocking abilities anyways), hamurott doesnt work outside of a suicide lead + its poor speed control on this team, and hex pult doesnt exert enough offensive pressure

Drop Gholdengo for Roaring Moon, drop Dragapult for Calm Mind/Swords Dance Iron Valiant (pick one its up to you, though I would use Calm Mind), and then you can slot on another sweeper (Darkrai or Dragonite are usually good picks)

[spiral sand]

Hmm... when would you use gholdengo then? Maybe iron crown instead of gholdengo?

[spiral fable]

Gholdengo fits on heavy hazard stack teams or webs

Also drop boots on Gambit you dont really care about hazards and youd much rather have either air balloon or black glasses

(if you go black glasses use tera dark)

same with Zamazenta, don't run boots run lefties (and I don't think you need roar here 3 attack would be better, drop Roar for Crunch)

[spiral sand]

I guess something that I am leery about is that this team would be too weak to fairy types after those changes.

All 4 pokemons you suggested are weak to fairy type attacks

[brave turtle]

u can try another scarfer that can revenge kill fairies if ur worried abt it

scarf dengo for example

[elfin jungle]

Won't that lose tempo too fast?

[spiral fable]

dont run scarfers on ho

[elfin jungle]

If you're worried about fairies and are using glimmora offense

Couldn't scizor work?

[spiral fable]

yeah if you want

scizor is seeing a bit of a resurgance on glimm ho

[elfin jungle]

Was it SD or banded just forgor

[spiral fable]

sd

dont run choice mons on ho

[elfin jungle]

I mean

[spiral fable]

unless they have like some specific niche that fits perfectly

(which banded scizor does not)

[elfin jungle]

Banded is fine bc turn is incredibly spammable and preserves tempo

[spiral fable]

no its not

[brave turtle]

fairs i was thinking no webs so he needed sum kind of speed control

[spiral fable]

He has Iron Valiant and Zamazenta

As well as Gambit and possbily Dnite/Scizor

[brave turtle]

oh i was lookin at the original paste n didnt see valiant mb

[spiral sand]

So y'all were suggesting something like this? https://pokepast.es/a615fc97cb984024

[spiral fable]

not a fan of tusk here

other than that, solid team (though you might want to make val tera ghost)

[spiral sand]

Need some kind of hazard removal after removing boots from everything

[brave turtle]

eat the dmg i think its ho

[spiral sand]

More worried about sticky web

[spiral fable]

...you do

[brave turtle]

mortal spin on glim and you should win the hazard 1v1 at the start

[spiral fable]

its called glimmora

also webs is in a really iffy spot right now anyways so

[spiral sand]

Yeah but glimmora dies at the begining

[brave turtle]

but so does ribombee

[spiral sand]

True

[brave turtle]

if he swaps preserve the glim to 1v1 the ribombee

or just sac since he wont have webs up anyways

[covert socket]

point of ho is you apply massive pressure so they either cant get hazards or they get run over trying

[spiral sand]

So something like this? https://pokepast.es/15accb7aee0c24ce

[spiral fable]

if you want ¯_(ツ)_/¯

not the biggest fan of moth but its not bad here ig, rest are solid

[spiral sand]

What would you recommend instead of iron moth?

[spiral fable]

scizor would be best but the other 2 are perfectly fine

[spiral sand]

So something like this then: https://pokepast.es/1b9584bebe18954f

[brave turtle]

maybe band over life orb

[spiral fable]

no

dont run band

[brave turtle]

aw never mind then

[spiral fable]

yes nope that's a good team

[brave turtle]

is it cuz choice locked scizor gets too easily walled?

[spiral fable]

yes

also banded scizor is bad in ou

[spiral sand]

Sweet!

[livid knot]

I am new to smogon is this team good

https://pokepast.es/4a8b2f3fee3c96cb

[tender pecan]

the sets aren't the issue its the team structure

I mean like

well

ok so hamurott and iron crown are more offensively oriented mons while stuff like clef is for balance or stall most of the time

before you build a team you wanna have a general idea of what team archetype you want and build for that

also idk if torn is that good?

maybe

[spiral fable]

no its kinda bad

[tender pecan]

never used it

[tender pecan]

darn

I kinda figured but you hate to see it

[spiral fable]

it has a niche

but like not a great niche

can be built around but probably shouldnt be if you're new

[delicate shale]

Since when was tornt bad?

[spiral fable]

since the start of this gen?

[robust badge]

hi guys!! i mostly just play for fun against my friends so i don’t want to switch around any of my pokemon cuz i rlly just enjoy playing with my faves even if they r impractical! anyways, how can i improve them?

https://pokepast.es/68bb7f352af0ce98

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[spiral fable]

!nolegends

[viral sable]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[livid knot]

I was trying to build a balance team

[tender pecan]

yeah this isn't rly balance

but it doesn't need much tweaking

there's better scarfers than hamurott for a team like this

[livid knot]

Is this better

https://pokepast.es/aa9aefc99908daff

[tender pecan]

I think this is alright

[echo tartan]

https://pokepast.es/cb6102e111145a4f
opinions?

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[brave turtle]

i kinda feel like u die to hazards, maybe av treads over av iron crown for a similar role? esp with sash darkrai since hazards just negates it

[echo tartan]

k

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/9170a037494b0f73

[quick bluff]

karate chop on gambit?

[gaunt fox]

Mb movepool

[quick bluff]

no idea why that’s there but make it kowtow

[gaunt fox]

https://pokepast.es/32c4cc5f49c02ed1

[quick bluff]

kind of am opposed to scale shot dnite i think espeed is almost always better but that’s more optional

not sure if tusk fits here tbh and you have no knockers, could drop it for rmoon

other than that looks solid I’d say

[gaunt fox]

It's a set that I started to see, I really wanted to try it

[quick bluff]

i think it’s overused and not that great but doesn’t hurt to try

[gaunt fox]

Any other changes I should make?

[spiral fable]

Drop tusk

Ogerpon is pretty awkward here

Easy to revenge kill + sub is iffy at best

[spiral fable]

drop tusk and waterpon, replace them with Roaring Moon (and then you can pick a sweeper, big fan of Zamazenta/Darkrai but other threats work as well as long as they're fast/can speed boost), and swap enamrous off tera stellar you aint got tera blast

also that should be multi scale dnite

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/9170a037494b0f73

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/275bc597512f1515

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[stone onyx]

dark spam webs

[brave turtle]

opposing zama be like

[echo tartan]

Change darkrai tera to psychic to get OHKO chances on clodsire and vest primarina, also surprise zamazenta

[spiral fable]

Don’t

[spiral fable]

Greninja is mid af and gambit would be better but if you want to run greninja ig there’s worse

Psyshock on Darkrai sucks, clod or blissey just Teras, drop it for Ice Beam

(Or focus blast, both works)

[echo tartan]

Oh wait it didn't have ice beam?

[spiral fable]

Swap out dgleam on ghold for make it rain and recover for psyshock

[ruby crest]

This is honestly wrong psyshock is fine on it

Tho idk if it helpful here since there’s dengo that could be kayak

[spiral fable]

It has a serious case of 4mss

And especially on this team where you need as much coverage you can get, ice beam or focus blast would be much much better

[ruby crest]

yes but also no

[spiral fable]

(And yeah ghold just runs psyshock anyways so)

[ruby crest]

but psyshock isn’t bad on rai fwiw has gotten decent usage lately

[spiral fable]

Eh, I’m not a believer but either way it really shouldn’t be here

[brave turtle]

slap ice beam on ninja

[wise knot]

psyshock is a great set you don't know what ur talking about

[spiral fable]

Leng you are more than welcome to help rate teams yourself, if you’re going to keep making snide comments

Anyways, I feel like greninja is really the weak link here but it’s not the worst per say

[wise knot]

I'm way too busy at the moment, normally I very much enjoy doing so

[spiral fable]

Stall matchup is a bit iffy if you only have ghold/greninja, but if you play it smart you should be able to break

[echo tartan]

that's why we use psyshock

[spiral fable]

Psyshock Darkrai does less than zero into stall

All you do it force Tera and you don’t have any mons on this team that can really abuse that

[ruby crest]

Truthfully the team is better off without gren ngl just make this ebelt rai and make gambit > gren or something else also works assuming your fine with rai and moon as ur dark spam

[spiral fable]

O wait this hard blanks into Pex hm

Maybe run taunt rmoon, see how that goes

[ruby crest]

This should’ve been taunt moon fwiw

[stone onyx]

ty all, i appreciate the help

taunt moon does seem good

[wise knot]

I agree that gren is not really a webs mon, lemme see what I can do with this

[echo tartan]

the gren set does look kinda off ngl, mixed doesn't really look good

[fallen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/551ed43e8bb86bf4

literally threw this together in 5 mins with no thinking, the only idea (WHICH I WONT DO) ive had is to make val tera electric for tera fly moon acro which is the most niche thing ever

anxiety kicks in against rain teams and h rott

[onyx halo]

https://pokepast.es/67f145752a40ba77 lets go chat lets go chat

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[ruby crest]

honestly same thing goes for the team above but this is just indentical to the kyurem sample team with a few tera differences and well few mons swapped, no hazard control for specs kyurem is a recipe disaster fwiw

[onyx halo]

ohh

[onyx halo]

maybe tusk?

[ruby crest]

ehh double ground aint worth it at least here, https://pokepast.es/f6d23af182294e5b this is the team fwiw

[onyx halo]

hmmm

what team member(in mine) is msot replacable?

[ruby crest]

raging bolt

honestly given how similar the structure is u might as well just use the sample

[onyx halo]

oh probably

[karmic shard]

Rate the hyper offense team? (Im still learning how to build a team)

https://pokepast.es/3559b7633611b479

[dusky kindle]

Since you are building hyper offense your sets should be offensive. Tusk for example should be booster speed or attack and headlong rush over earthquake. Also not sure what tera electric does for you.

Walking Wake out of sun isnt the strongest special attacker, but it could be interesting I guess. Can try hydro pump over surf as well

[woven sluice]

https://pokepast.es/528efeb24d4d565f

Is this a good team, im new to competitive

[tender pecan]

uhhhh

zamazenta is fine

everything else is, iffy

skarmory is fine too ig

what team structure do you want anyway

[gentle venture]

https://pokepast.es/b50871909dd4378a ogerponWS can be pretty annoying to deal with without tera maybe running wisp cinderace could help but im not really sure using dragapult instead of hoopaU seems to be the way but hoopaU's wallbreaking power is needed since darkrai alone doesnt cut it btw i used tinkaton instead of clefable cause it gives me a better matchup against darkrai

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[spiral fable]

4/6 of these mons aren’t OU, and while they’re all still decent in the tier, I would highly recommend against using them all on the same team

[brave turtle]

i’d say remove either darkrai or hoopa-u for another breaker maybe ur own waterpon

or you can try ID zama or band rilla

[lament flare]

https://pokepast.es/9a94db6ff2c74285

any improvements? i’d like to keep kingambit, prima and meow if possible

[sonic siren]

https://pokepast.es/b989fd73343de281

“Volt”turn team I made, I like the idea of the archetype and this is like the 3rd thing I came up with

[harsh junco]

https://pokepast.es/34611a9907e51039 its a meme team I made regarding AMERICA, of course I decided to bring the most powerfull sweepers combined with spikes to make it truly a powerhouse, just like the country its based on, sadly, its not perfect, theres some strategys that are being used by The EUROPEANS to counter this magnificent team, mainly tspikes and raging bolt, how do we make this team more american

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[harsh junco]

(((also, braviary has done absolutly nothing, and im mainly farming W's because no one knows how to stop Latias)))

[ruby crest]

Use corv , happy American day

[harsh junco]

[ruby crest]

[dusky kindle]

need a snake with dont tread on me (serp?) deoxys over webs (for US NE mascot) skeledirge over latias (for us south mascot) also kinda helps with bolt?

tera ground dirge 😮

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/100f2efd1a19ebe4 is this fine?

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[cloud gull]

looks good yea , try np on Darkrai

nasty plot

[last frost]

https://pokepast.es/5030078be0765177

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[last frost]

fun offense build around iron hands that isnt trick room, thoughts?

[wise knot]

Ok this actually looks pretty solid, my main concern is lack of speed (ghold is unfortunately not enough), and weakness to some booster sweepers (which goes hand in hand). I would change it around a bit, probably making it grassy seed ghold and scarf darkrai. Also, I'll change the Iron Hands spread for you to be more effective. One sec.

[last frost]

valid points, ive only played like 10 games but these changes sound impactful, thankyou for your time ❤️

[wise knot]

https://pokepast.es/a50886355a2ee81f

[last frost]

nasty plot on darkrai is for knock absorbing?

[wise knot]

Forgot to change that to trick, sorry

[last frost]

just making sure i wasnt missing out on a mastermind plan haha

[karmic lake]

https://pokepast.es/1ae0e9106d4b30cd
built this team around mixed val... just wanted to hear opinions on it

[spiral fable]

ngl this team is a bit all over the place

[karmic lake]

i kinda wanted it to be a jack of all trades

also the kyurem is hasty

[spiral fable]

idk whats up with the gambit evs or nature, dondozo doesn't really fit on teams outside of hard stall, specs heatran is not good

wait that's 4 attack gambit

the kyurem set is iffy

same with the val set

[karmic lake]

heatran is mostly for corv...

[spiral fable]

ok but why

[karmic lake]

because the team is centered around val

[spiral fable]

if you stack a team that struggles into corv just swap out a threat or two

also you can just run tbolt val?

[karmic lake]

hol up... tera electric val

[spiral fable]

heatran doesnt work here, dozo doesnt work here, you need to change that gambit and val set, and im not sure kyurem works here

[karmic lake]

you think offensive ghold works?

[spiral fable]

not really

[karmic lake]

maybe ill just run special val instead of mixed

[spiral fable]

this feels like a bo team so you should pivot towards that

[karmic lake]

ting lu?

[spiral fable]

no

slot on fast lando t

[karmic lake]

scarf?

[spiral fable]

no

just run the smogon set

slot on boots pivot pult as well, with ddarts wisp, then for the last slot you can run idbp roar zamazenta

[karmic lake]

idbp?

oh wait

i understand

[spiral fable]

iron defense body press

[karmic lake]

and what about that gamb?

[spiral fable]

just run offensive black glasses set

[karmic lake]

aight bet

thanks a lot, its kinda late so i wont bother testing it today...

gn

[spiral fable]

gn

[ocean juniper]

https://pokepast.es/7241898d6f5cc35f

opinions on this?

[spiral fable]

unfortunately the pokepaste will not load for me so i will assume the team is perfect

o nvm it loaded now

leng you want this one?

[wise knot]

team is definitely not perfect. no removal no boots, band moon off of sun, weak to valiant

looks like a start over or force it to fit into a standard garg zama balance

[gentle venture]

https://pokepast.es/bd16d16b9aa00128 so uh i had problems with gouging tusk can handle it fine but if it gets wear downed it is over for me any advice ? By the way should i change glowkings last slot i tried toxic but it was kinda iffy imo

By the way used tink instead of clef cause it gives me better matchips against darkrai

[wise knot]

I'll get to this in a sec after my ladder game

Ok, so I would drop tusk and turn this into a bootspam

tink is better with pickpocket and balloon

which fits this style

I'll work on it for a bit and get back to you

I also think you may have to drop one of the darks

to be able to slot ting lu

[gentle venture]

Yeah moldbreaker only comes handy against hatterne

[wise knot]

even then, you just gigaton hammer it

[gentle venture]

Tbh weaviles ice shard is pretty important against taunt moon and darkrai can melt teams with good positoning

So which one i should get rid of

[wise knot]

I ditched darkrai but mostly since if I ditched weav and kept rai I would just end up recreating an old vert team

[gentle venture]

Fair

[wise knot]

https://pokepast.es/6181723a0e09f3ca try this out. I added as much counterplay as I could to wogerpon

ting lu 100% kills it with eq + tera blast

twaves are there for it

and changed molts tera

you might also consider roar on molt over uturn

[gentle venture]

Thx i will try it i generally burn my tera against waterpon tbh so it helps

[wise knot]

gotta make gking water too

for sun matchup

[gentle venture]

Got it i generally prefer tera fairy against mixed val but tink can handle it fine i quess

Thx again

[wise knot]

np

also made gking surf>sludge

we have enough fairy checks

and needed something else for imoth and gliscor

[gentle venture]

Okay then doesnt gliscor can just earthquake protect earthquake

[wise knot]

this is assuming you tera but it also dissuades gliscor from switching in

[gentle venture]

Fair thx

[fathom wraith]

alright

https://pokepast.es/bc7d185e16574da4

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[gloomy badger]

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[ocean juniper]

so what should I change

[full stump]

https://pokepast.es/b65d72e12d84f5c0 any advices i cant add legendary pokemons and i just want to use good mega-lopunny team :c

[fathom wraith]

put this into #1059714627384115290

[stable brook]

https://marriland.com/tools/team-builder/P1wv19209rxh4VpCB1/
i get demolished by pure damage advantage of proto/quark users. idea was focusing around zarude, any improvemt ideas, besides replacing zarude?

[ruby crest]

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[stable brook]

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[spiral fable]

Ok so the issue is you’re using 4 non ou mons

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/e142f73cb5158bcc

@ruby crest

[ruby crest]

Main question I wanna get out of the way is what is this team focus around

[rigid socket]

ogerpon enamaros

like i wanted to make an offensive team with these 2

no to be more specific i wanted to make ogerpon team and the best speed control felt like enamaros

[ruby crest]

Yeah I can see it, looks like some average offense with a random Tran

[rigid socket]

yeah i didnt know what hazard setter to put

[ruby crest]

There’s plentiful of speed control options

But I assume you wanna keep enam here ?

[rigid socket]

yeah i would prefer it but if you have something else in your mind i would love to hear about it at least

[ruby crest]

Yeah I think we can make this work

So first thing first focus blast is honestly kinda bad on enam

[rigid socket]

yea i dont click it at all

[ruby crest]

cause you have mystical fire which may seem weaker but is more reliable and consistent and hits about the same targets, and you normally do hwish last as it’s a great support move to bring in allies in once again to sweep or clutch heal something

Sludge bomb doesn’t hit anything notably that fairy and coverage doesn’t hit

[rigid socket]

i usualy use it to kill iron val or meowscarada and i dont really know when to click h wish tbh

[ruby crest]

Well good thing iron Val and meow are both weak to moonblast

[rigid socket]

yeah ig

[ruby crest]

h wish is a move you click when you know enam isn’t as required late into a game and you rather bring something that is weak enough to give them a fighting chance again

[rigid socket]

oh i taught i was suppose to use it only when its low on hp

like i was scared to click it because i didnt want to lose my mon

ok what to add for focus blast then

[ruby crest]

So in cases where something like gambit or dnite could win but aren’t as the right conditions due to health or status, h wish can save them and help them out

[ruby crest]

So in this case here mystical fire > focus blast and healing wish > sludge bomb

[rigid socket]

ok done

and that lets us have a fire coverage to get rid of heatran too

[ruby crest]

oh yeah make enam tera ground, tera stellar is really only useful on it if it does tera blast

[rigid socket]

so what about heatran

[ruby crest]

we'll get there

i recommend making this treads > tusk here as it greatly improves ur mu vs raging bolt and serves as a good way to get hazards and deal heavy damage from common setters like glimmora, you also still maintain the ability to spin and good at dealing effective damage to stuff, by doing so we can then make heatran into id zama which gives you secondary speed control and helps deal with stuff like gambit and opposing dnite,

[rigid socket]

oh ok yeah

[rigid socket]

Iron Treads @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock
• Ice Spinner

this good?

[ruby crest]

Make this special

So timid max special attack ep and steel beam

[rigid socket]

why exactly?

also steel beam really it takes 50%of my hp though

[rigid socket]

what exactly are we countering with thşs

[ruby crest]

You hit stuff like gouging fire, zama, and tusk harder while also not activating toxic debris from
Glimmora

[rigid socket]

i mean yeah but with 70 SpA does it even revenge kill

oh wait it clicked rn after checking those things stuff ok done

so to reiderate i use treads as another speed control / lead right?

[ruby crest]

Pretty much tho it’s mainly to help prevent certain threat from going crazy, deal decent damage, and prevent hazards

[rigid socket]

ok

yeah i think i understood

[ruby crest]

also in certain scenarios can grab u momentum by dying from recoil of steel beam when its no longer needed

https://pokepast.es/2d6aff4d5fc0a889 final version of the team

[rigid socket]

why zam

i know i am being a bit annoying but the reason i am asking is so that i understand the team and what mistakes i did

[ruby crest]

Another speed control option and provides handful of defensive utility in checking physical threats like gambit, opposing dnite, and weavile, you also can phase out common booster energy or other set up mons with roar

[rigid socket]

Yeah i guess but that makes a 3rd speed control

İsnt it o bit too much i feel like we could add a bit more firepower or defensive utility instead

[ruby crest]

Not necessarily you already got fine breakers in ogerpon, enam, and treads to wear stuff down while gambit itself becomes a hard hitter as the game goes on

If you want to break more stuff then make this dd scale shot fpunch encore dnite

[rigid socket]

Hm yeah thanks mab

[ruby crest]

No problemo if you need any question feel free to ask in #comp-general

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/6683fdd61db6027f

[spiral fable]

#comp-general

[broken fossil]

https://pokepast.es/fcb8d6174dd29efb
help i threw my old team in the trash and idk how to teambuild 😭

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[gaunt fox]

https://pokepast.es/e1fe617b8403305f

ok guys I know it's stall, should I add something or change?

[ruby crest]

This channel only rates completed teams if you need help finalizing ask in #comp-general

[lament flare]

https://pokepast.es/9a94db6ff2c74285 are my items and evs okay

[tender pecan]

Lokix really struggles in the tier

It's really great in UU but the environment in OU is much more hostile

Scizor is a bit better and even it's kinda niche

[rain fiber]

https://pokepast.es/87d15311db94877b been really enjoying this team as of late, although i'm kinda unsteady with if i like cincinno on it? the role compression is really what's keeping it there (setup sweep, removal, pivot to a degree)

[tender pecan]

Cincinno does have a lot of role compression but the issue with it is that it doesn't do one thing very well

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/bc7d185e16574da4

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[fathom wraith]

i feel as if the team is a bit weak to darkrai

[placid spade]

https://pokepast.es/88f11ec04ce640f8
can I have a bit of help with this
I'm still new so I tried my best but it still feels
a LITTLE lacking

[brave turtle]

if you want a sac lead for rocks you should probs have a spinblocker like ghold or smthn, tera ghost can work but ion think wasting the tera is worth it just for one layer of rocks with no spikes

[placid spade]

i mean
excadrill is there with rapid spin so

[brave turtle]

i also feel ninetales doesnt really fit on this team you waste so much time to get veil and rocks up and ur basically down a poke and a half and ur just tryna see if exca or blaziken can sweep the rest of the team which is a big ask

[brave turtle]

nah i meant like after you sac glim to get rocks up what stop a great tusk from spinning it away

[placid spade]

ohhh ok

[placid spade]

I actually did have that problem but I'm not sure what to do about it
do I just commit to having only one or the other?
who do i fill in then, more speed control?

[brave turtle]

exca is a nice spinner too but maybe bulk up great tusk would fit better here if you wanna stick with veil

[brave turtle]

yea id say either go h/o hazard stack or veil support

it seems u built the team more around veil support since u have two swords dance so i would go with that ig

id also say bulk up great tusk would fit better than exca

[placid spade]

if I were to build around more hazards what would I do
would I just bring people with more hazards (like a greninja) or would I bring people that are faster and dont need swords dance

[brave turtle]

yea if you want hazards just bring fast hard hitting mons that has decent coverage

[placid spade]

fair enough

[brave turtle]

i dont remember if they have a sample team but something like glim, ghol, gambit, zama, valiant would be somewhere to start

im not huge on ho so im not too sure tbh

[placid spade]

I think it's more oriented towards veil since it was originally a latias clam mind setup but I shifted away form that

[placid spade]

yeah that could work
I was thinking about valiant too but I was unsure where to put them

[brave turtle]

speed control so over blaziken or meow

[placid spade]

probably over blaziken then since I dont need two fighting types

[brave turtle]

yea heres a sample team i found to kinda get the idea if u wanna run with glim
https://pokepast.es/504248597d4d20d3

dunno how viable veil ninetales is, it can defo work but personally i havent found much success with it on ladder (probs cuz my L teambuilding :p)

[placid spade]

ooo thanks

[placid spade]

I did run grimmsnarl before but turn 1 veil was nice

[placid spade]

also wait isnt volcarona banned in ou

[brave turtle]

yea i think its an older team you can probs get away with iron moth as a sub

[placid spade]

fair enough

thank you very much
Ill try to cook from here

[spiral fable]

This is wrong

[spiral fable]

So if you want to build Glimmora hyper offense, you need to back it up with powerful sweepers

Roaring Moon, Kingambit, Zamazenta, etc

Hyper offense is built around saccing your lead early to lay hazards/screens/webs, then throwing sweeper after sweeper at your opponent to try and overwhelm them

The team sniper sent is pretty outdated (both Boulder and Hatterene are a lot more niche on HO), but it’s still a good example of the general shape of Glimmora HO

(Also excadrill is a horrible sweeper if you’re not running sand and Blaziken struggles as a sweeper in general due to blanking into all the bulky waters + struggling into Zamazenta)

[placid spade]

I was generally aware of that but I definitely made a mistake putting having two setup mons

[placid spade]

but this is really helpful, thanks
I was a little unaware how these mons worked in the meta
so now im basically deadset on that iron moth recommendation but iron valiant could also work

[spiral fable]

Moth is a good mon on HO, kinda suffers from 4mss but you can defo make it work with proper support

[placid spade]

what kinda support are we talking

like tailwind or screens or something?

(is tailwind even a valid strategy anymore)

[spiral fable]

More surrounding it with mons that can make up for the coverage moth lacks

[placid spade]

oh
just coverage
not sure why the obvious answer went over my head

thanks though

[spiral fable]

Also tailwind is not good in singles no

[placid spade]

yeah thought as much
I know it's good in doubles since you have more time to use it but
since you kinda need it swap out in singles yeah I can imagine its wack

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/bc7d185e16574da4 i think its a bit to darkrai can i improve this in any way?

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/c8e5747d73ec6338

[stray heron]

https://pokepast.es/b6dd246420bb16b9 tried to make a balance team... anything I need to change or improve upon?

[spiral fable]

both rampardos and chandelure aren't usable in ou

[stray heron]

oooh. Which pokemon would you recomend I replace them with?

[spiral fable]

drop rampardos for ting lu with spikes, swap skarm over to stealth rock, drop chandelure for chilly reception gking, and drop dondozo for boots deoxys speed, as well as swapping kyurem's specs for boots

Use their smogon sets for all of these btw

[stray heron]

gotcha, thx btw!

[spiral fable]

np

[rain fiber]

https://pokepast.es/e002f8537f2c3a53 tried to change the cincinno out for a glowking, but had to add a corv for removal. from ladder it didn't do well but i feel like maybe there's still potential here?

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[ruby crest]

Imma be honest I’m not a fan of this structure is way to much do nothing with no real offensive presence to make any effective progress, also doesn’t help that this is overly weak to darkrai, ogerpon-w, and more, gmolt is a bit niche tho idt its good on balance you would see it more on offensive structures

[cunning quarry]

Hi everyone ! I built a SV OU team that I really enjoyed playing, but it suffers from some huge weaknesses like Roaring Moon, Ogerpon-W or Gouging-Fire. I made a post about my team here : https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/grassy-terrain-heatran-homemade-team.3746513/
I'm really attached to the grassy terrain + heatran core, but everything else can move without altering too much my vision of the team.

Thanks !

[spiral fable]

you have a gterrain team without much gterrain abuse

[cunning quarry]

Which Pokémon would you consider grassy terrain abuser apart from Hawlucha ?
The team's core is focused on boom/Heatran which have really good synergies. Apart from that, leftovers tusk benefits from the passive recovery and g-slowking enjoys the earthquake's reduced power 🙂 If you have any suggestion on how to mitigates the team's weaknesses and how to abuse the g-terrain more I'd love to hear more ! I'd really like this team to work

[spiral fable]

ogerpon, serp, tusk, hatterene, even garg, gking, raging bolt, etc

[spiral fable]

i just dont see what thundurus does for this team + your only speed control is rillaboom which has like 60 resists in the tier

[shy granite]

https://pokepast.es/952785bbaa1aa938
i mashed this team together and it's fun to use but i think it could use some improvements

hazard stack status spread

[cunning quarry]

Thanks for your insight ! I agree that thundurus isn't the perfect fit, what would you recommend on this slot ?

[spiral fable]

hawlucha

its kinda the perfect speed control + gterrain abuser + sweeper

other than that, im not a big fan of mola + gking + heatran since i think it makes the team a bit too passive (also i honestly would pick flame body heatran over flash fire since the two fire types of the tier, moth and gouging, already smack you with earthquake/ep so its not like you can threaten them)

at the very least, i would switch tusk to a more offensive booster energy bulk up set, to give your team some extra power

if you want a good mon against rmoon as a replacement for mola, you can try grassy seed hatterene (big fan of grassy seed hatterene), giving your team another offensive threat with the added bonus of good defensive utility and useful ability to boot

[cunning quarry]

Thanks ! I will defenitely try playign Hawlucha. I also felt that my team was too passive and that alomomola didn't do enough

[cunning quarry]

That is a great idea, it also helps with the hazard control

[spiral fable]

make it calm mind

[cunning quarry]

https://pokepast.es/2bbb10e830cd7d7e

This would give something like this

[spiral fable]

(Grassy seed hatt) but yeah

[cunning quarry]

oh right

[spiral fable]

You could honestly mess with a physical defense heatran set, but that’s up to you

[cunning quarry]

I'll trust you and start with grassy seed Hatterene

In the version I sent you it is a physical defense heatran with flame body

But with Physicall Heatrean I fear I'll lost to Darkrai

[shy granite]

https://pokepast.es/952785bbaa1aa938
bump

[spiral fable]

It hasn’t even been two hours, chill. A rater will get to it when they have the time

[brave turtle]

i can try if u want, i think the teams ok but im seeing a lack of breaking power, something like clod or ting lu can shut down this team p easily. wisp on pult isnt too necessary imo, id say try a band set maybe

also u dont have much to take advantage of burn anyways besides hex and gambit, maybe a bulk up tusk could work a bit better

[spiral fable]

you try to go for a balance team but you lack both offensive presence (mixed pult and gambit are good, but not enough + hamurott gets chipped easily so you will not have the best time trying to maintain hazards), and a solid defensive core (moltres doesn't have the best matchup into knockers and loses to mons like gliscor and any special attacker, and ghold similarly struggles against knockers and threats like sd gliscor)

also was your gambit meant to be supreme overlord?

honestly, i cant think of a clean way to fix this, if anyone else can feel free to interject

[shy granite]

oops

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/0dd7f3df55f512b0

[viral sable]

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[lament flare]

bump?

[fathom wraith]

Would weavole be better on the instead of krai? https://pokepast.es/ec751774e47d32f8

[viral sable]

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[inland peak]

https://pokepast.es/93a61738c922d3f4 recommendations to anything I should change or add would be appreciated

[fathom wraith]

isnt this a sample team?

[inland peak]

yeah but I changed iron valiant for kyurem

[fathom wraith]

no the kyurem was part of the sample no?

nvm i go tit wrong

its very similar to an old sample team though

sorry!

[inland peak]

Uh-

[dusky kindle]

Overall they are very similar you just have to decide if you want a win condition or a Wallbreaker. Darkrai is much more efficient as a Wallbreaker because it lacks switch ins but it can be revenged by faster stuff like pult and Rillaboom and booster valiant. Whereas weavile has priority to help clean up late game. Ofc both pretty much lose to zamazenta but hopefully you can take care of that with the rest of your team.

Future sight might give you decent chances to set up so weavile might be good

[ocean juniper]

https://pokepast.es/f036f731f634f848

[viral sable]

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[ocean juniper]

what do I change to make it better

rmt?

anyway, I would like to integrate lokix but idk how and if it is even worth it

[quick bluff]

yo @ocean juniper , i think you posted this exact team a few days ago and leng already critiqued it

[ocean juniper]

thing is

I barely got anything out of it lol. "Heavy Duty Boots"

is all

[quick bluff]

that's fair

uhh one sec i can suggest a few things

team just needs removal, boots, and not the last guy so

[ocean juniper]

roaring moon should be? Is lokix maybe a good addition?

[quick bluff]

• make corv bbird with defog over iron press, and make it spdef or mixed defense so you answer ival better. You have zama as your idef mon already
• Drop Moon for tusk i'd say defog corv isn't enough for garg + zama

[quick bluff]

lokix def does not fit

lokix requires being built around not just slapping on a team

[ocean juniper]

do I still use body press then?

[quick bluff]

err actually drop moon for tusk drop corv for gking I think

[ocean juniper]

gking?

[quick bluff]

team is lacking a bit in the spdef department

[quick bluff]

slowking-galar

[ocean juniper]

alr

defensive pivot or assault vest build?

those are the two smogon recommends

[quick bluff]

i think other than that the team should be fine, could try some spdef on gliscor but you can see in testing

[quick bluff]

defensive pivot here

and offensive boots tusk

[ocean juniper]

so

whats the point of chilly reception

[quick bluff]

slow pivot out

and regen

[ocean juniper]

and the snow just doesn't matter?

when do I use it though. This just seems like a worse u-turn etc

it doesn't learn that ig, but what is the adv to just switching out

offensive bulk up, defensive or offensive utility for tusk?

[quick bluff]

offensive utility with boots

[ocean juniper]

https://pokepast.es/dc306f8d8718896a

[quick bluff]

helps if you're running weavile or kyurem or meow but on this build nah

[ocean juniper]

so what is the advantage to just switching out then?

[quick bluff]

main benefit of chilly is a slow safe pivot that helps slowking heal thanks to regenerator

also clears rain and sun

[ocean juniper]

ahh, I get it. It tanks a hit

[quick bluff]

slowking is slow so it lets you bring in other mons after the opponent has attacked

yeyeye

[ocean juniper]

I see

[ocean juniper]

this is it now. Is it fine?

[spiral fable]

its pretty iffy that you only have 1 pivot, maybe look into slotting uturn on gliscor

[quick bluff]

i think toxic over twave here so rbolt is easier

and yeah what faya said

[ocean juniper]

what do I remove off of glisc? Spikes?

[quick bluff]

i'd say toxic personally

since spikes are useful and you have toxic on gking

[ocean juniper]

https://pokepast.es/3000b9754b8096e3

now I got this

[quick bluff]

this looks good!

[ocean juniper]

Alright, thanks then!

I'll try it out

what should I usually lead with?

[quick bluff]

could go sub on zama over slam but

up to you in this case i think

[quick bluff]

depends on the mu, this squad shouldn't have a designated lead

[ocean juniper]

substitue?

[quick bluff]

especially since you don't have any fast pivots

[ocean juniper]

is sub substitute?

[quick bluff]

ye

[ocean juniper]

I'll try it ig

one thing though

does sub transfer if I switch lol

never used it before

[quick bluff]

it does not

[frail ember]

does anyone have a good strategy for building a strong team?

[spiral fable]

#comp-general

[devout sail]

https://pokepast.es/68fc75e812e2179d made a new ou team

[tender pecan]

It's definitely usable but there's a couple weird things here and there

Rillaboom isn't the best swords dancer, and there's definitely much better users of the move in the tier

It's best used as 4 attacks

Also power herb glimmora is a valid set but it's kinda slow so it's usually ran on webs or you're forced to use rock polish

The latter is preferred cause you want that move slot for coverage rather than rock polish

Actually speed in general is a bit of an issue here

No one other than zama is particularly fast

Kyurem needs a boost to actually be reasonably fast and so before it gets up that boost it'll probably be outsped

A lot of this can be circumvented with webs though, it's up to you what pokemon to drop for a webs setter, maybe Lando

Webs isn't the most popular team structure rn, still works if you're willing to try it

[devout sail]

this is my secondary team so it sounds like fun

Ribombee as the webber?

[devout sail]

sd rilla has been pretty good in the games ive used it in

tbf though im only like 1500-1600 with this team so as my alt gets higher on ladder it might be more tricky

the main problem with it is that it just hard loses to kyreum

and kyreum is pretty common

in general I think this team struggles with kyreum so ribombee might make it better in that mu as well

[spiral fable]

sd rilla is not good

if you want to pivot to webs drop lando and slot on gambit + another mon that likes webs like waterpon or serperior

[devout sail]

truuuuuuust me

[spiral fable]

youd rather just have a mon like dnite or bolt or gambit if you want priority

if you want a bulky setup sweeper you have threats like manaphy or even hatterene/primarina, though the latter are not seen often on ho anymore

[devout sail]

im gonna try dnite

I still feel like sd rilla has a lot of potential on webs

[spiral fable]

ok but why

[devout sail]

You wall ogrepon w

and can sd on that

You get 12 healing each turn

[spiral fable]

and then you get encored and then you're kinda awkwardly standing there

[devout sail]

rillaboom is a strong guy

[devout sail]

How

ogrepon is still faster after webs no?

[spiral fable]

wait this is min invest rillaboom?

bro then you just lose to every single dragon in the tier lol

[devout sail]

oh I havent adjusted it for running sticky web

ill prob have it be invested enough to be faster than kyreum after webs

[spiral fable]

dnite farms you, gouging loves the free setup + eq weakening, rmoon sweeps you after +1, pult statuses you then destroys you with hex, kyurem eats you alive

[devout sail]

how is rmoon getting +1?

[spiral fable]

switches in on the sd, teras to get +1 then demolishes

or it doesnt even need to tera and just beat you flat out with acro no setup needed

rillaboom is a good banded/utility mon, sure, but as a sweeper?

[devout sail]

im p sure +2 dp and gg kills

[spiral fable]

there are far, far better options

+2 252+ Atk Rillaboom Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Flying Roaring Moon: 116-136 (33 - 38.7%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Flying Roaring Moon in Grassy Terrain: 166-196 (47.2 - 55.8%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO

252 Atk Protosynthesis Tera Flying Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 534-630 (156.5 - 184.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 Atk Protosynthesis Tera Flying Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 798-942 (234 - 276.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[devout sail]

hear me out though

tera grass

[spiral fable]

you invest all these resources just to still lose the matchup if the rmoon goes for acro first

sd rillaboom just isnt good

metal birds, 90% of the dragons, legendary birds, zamazenta, cinderace, they all can stop rillaboom in its tracks and even turn it into setup opportunities

and on a volatile playstyle like webs, you really do not want to be doing that

[devout sail]

idk it just feels good when I use it

[spiral fable]

its just not

[distant drift]

so i haven't really made a gen 9 team before, and i wanted to try and make an offensive team with little experience, and i wanted some opinions on it https://pokepast.es/9b6ced3c16824ebc

[dusky kindle]

Its fine, I generally don't like meow on these kinda teams because he isn't strong enough for hyper offense. I would recommend weavile, darkrai, or dragonite

You can put knock off on Ogerpon for wallbrraking instead of play rough

Kingambit or Samurott h would also work

[gloomy badger]

https://pokepast.es/abc344403833bd54

[viral sable]

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[junior harness]

from what i can see you just slapped on a bunch of random mons on a team and their archetypes dont even match

this is easily seen from focus sadh ribombee, which indicates hyper offense

sash*

and then seeing rocky helmet corv and blissey

which are stall staples

honestly this team is just all over the place with no clean way to fix

pick an archetype then build on it.

[lament flare]

someone help please when you have the time

[tender pecan]

yeah this is just all over the place as the guy above said

pick an archetype then build for it

alternatively check the sample teams to see what these archetypes are

[tender pecan]

this looks ok btw

[timid locust]

How do i get my team rated?

[tender pecan]

a rater just comes by and checks it

which btw

this is kinda hopeless if this is for SV OU

[timid locust]

This one

Its for UU

[tender pecan]

wrong tier then

#1059743348728004678

there you go

this is for OU

[timid locust]

Oh right, my bad

[tender pecan]

nw

[timid locust]

Ill delete it

This is my OU team, I only got to 1300 or 1400 if Iam lucky

https://pokepast.es/f68fbb14b32e8953

[tender pecan]

this isn't, great

AV treads isn't a real set imma be honest

cause it really likes being able to get up rocks

and pivot out

gastrodon and rotom heat aren't very good either

just in general

I'm not sure whats the goal of tera poison gambit

[timid locust]

So it doesnt get KO'ed by CC

[tender pecan]

then just tera fairy or flying

both of which also shed your ground weakness

which is another issue

[covert socket]

Leftovers plus slack off is a bit odd for gking, what exactly are you 1v1ing with this set? The standard hdb plus some kind of status spread should work better here. Also I think scorching sands on molt isnt great as heatran isnt that common and I'm not sure you do enough to gouging fire to justify it. I think roar in place of it to phase out said gouging fire as well as deal with other things like tera fire zama should work better especially since your team doesn't have a great way of dealing with those mons. Offensive tusk is weird here too, especially with spin + rocks; you lose a lot of coverage/utility from knock by running rocks and with how bulky and hazard weak your team is I'd want more longevity for my hazard removal. I'd use defensive tusk instead. I'd also just use the sample set for prim, ice beam is not really hitting anything that surf and moonblast aren't and outspeeding adamant gambit can be important, I think tera poison is fine to keep though. I'm not gonna bother with the gambit set cuz I'm not a gambit expert, just that on the surface black glasses with tera fire isn't common and either tera dark or leftovers/air balloon is more conventional.

Even after those changes, something about this team feels weird to me. The rocks + spin tusk being the only hazard control isn't something I'd recommend with scarf meow and av prim and waterpon is a very very serious problem for the team. Not sure how you could fix those without changing 2+ mons though.

[timid locust]

I didnt think of that

[tender pecan]

kingambit really only runs 3 teras atm

fairy flying and dark

there might be some room for other options but if so no one has really discovered a set that could be considered anything better than niche

[tender pecan]

this isn't mentioning the team structure is a bit jank

corv lacks firepower for how offensive 3 of your mons are, and iron treads isn't the right set for a team like this

its biggest strength is the fact that it can spin, get rocks up, and is also very fast

its not really trying to stick around too long

there's a couple options for it you can check its page on smogon

[covert socket]

no clue about the context but av treads is fine on certain teams to spin consistently vs ghold and check raging bolt and darkrai

[timid locust]

Thanks, I also feel like my Gastrodon isnt doing enough

[tender pecan]

thats fair although its MU against bolt is already pretty decent

unless its under sun then weather ball becomes a problem

[covert socket]

tera fire and tera ghost are real sets

[tender pecan]

darkrai is darkrai

[tender pecan]

they exist but they're on the less common end

its just that poison doesn't give much benefit that fairy doesn't already give in this case

[covert socket]

yea i agree poison is not good

[tender pecan]

the benefit of tera poison is flipping the script on fairy types and it sheds a couple weaknesses, its good on dark types generally but kingambit doesn't care about most fairies except iron valiant

hence why its not really needed for anything

the team in general needs a fair bit of tweaking but not sure what to say aside from that

start with dropping the two non OU mons tbh, some are definitely usable in the tier but gastrodon and rotom heat are situational at best

[timid locust]

Thanks, ill post the change later here

[tender pecan]

yeah do that

also maybe by then someone better than me can help you out a bit

[timid locust]

I just tweak some of the mon. I still dont know what should I do with my Iron Threads

https://pokepast.es/35b95c94b1beba38

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[dusky kindle]

Just switch it out for something else

If you really want spin use great tusk

If you really want special defense use tinkaton

[jade zephyr]

Trying some lower tier mons for OU, seeing if Alomomola support can help some shine

https://pokepast.es/10405b23870e4b04

Goodra is ZU but it's massive role compression with Toxic, Knock, Scald, Sap sipper, and Spdef bulk covering ally's weak spots

Right now she's got Dragon Pulse but idk if I should be running something other than STAB, or Draco for a nuke instead of reliable damage

[lament flare]

got it

[timid locust]

Is there any good Sp Def spinner?

Also, if I want to use GT, what set I should use?

[dusky kindle]

Not really no, hazard removal is not the best this gen

For tusk probably offensive utility

[timid locust]

Got it, thanks

[inland peak]

One too many lower tier mons for my liking but I would recommend either changing conkeldurrs ability or using flame orb you can't waste anything in gen 9 that goes for anything from team slot to ability slot

[spiral fable]

i would recommend against giving advice if you are not experienced with the tier

[spiral fable]

frankly, i dont see how this is really role compression: while you can argue it has a small niche as a ogepron-w check, these combination of traits are not in particularly high demand nor are they relaly that good either

you want a knock off mon that can inflict status? gliscor is a great choice, and clefable isnt bad either
You want a ogerpon-w check that can be bulky on the special side while checking physical attackers? Sinistcha is always available

assault vest garganacl is unviable as gargancl needs recover and prefers to have rocks a lot of the time, sub iron crown is very iffy as you blank hard into a lot of the spdef bulky mons without coverage, and conkeldurr is not a good defogger in OU, easily chipped and unable to sustain itself

this team is unfortunately unviable, and i would recommend using a sample team for now to gain a better understanding of the tier

you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[gaunt fox]

https://pokepast.es/4ca0f684980e1136

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @wise knot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[devout sail]

Looks good, but why protect on blissy

T wave or calm mind are usually better

[gaunt fox]

It helps me against some choice enemy and future sight, which is a big problem for me, I decided to protect over calm mind because I'm using clodsire but I can vary that

[devout sail]

That makes sense

Cause if you have clods you don’t need calm for dengo

[wild horizon]

https://pokepast.es/2588bfe06cb969b2

[wild horizon]

.....

[tender pecan]

this is just kinda all over the place

tailwind isn't worth it in singles, ribombee just wants to get up webs and maybe nail something with moonblast since its not gonna live much anyway

you can try getting up both but it only lasts 4 turns and its not easy to utilise those 4 turns very well

wake is fine here but imo it doesn't need agility or really the mirror herb

wake is best under sun and so you wanna probably get booster speed and just spam specs attacks, speaking of sun I assume thats what this is?

[timid locust]

The team really did inrease my elo, thanks

But I still kinda stuck in 1400

[north pilot]

https://pokepast.es/16b70cc348242e85 got this team from pokeaim, would love to replace weavile though. any ideas?

[spiral fable]

We don’t help with teams that you didn’t make yourself

[spiral fable]

You’re trying to run three separate modes and none of them work with each other

Either pick webs or sun, and dedicate to that playstyle

[sly mauve]

first of all do not run pickpocket

it can screw you over

yes

i would say replace weavile with something like excadrill, great tusk, cinderace , ting lu or glimmora

you have no way to get rid of hazards as of rn and your team is quite weak to knock off + stealth rock

[last frost]

https://pokepast.es/cf0357a3980403b5
quick building exercise i did for my mate who wants a setup Gliscor offense, is Gliscor used decently in this archetype? what do we think of the mons selected

[viral sable]

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[wild horizon]

Ohhh ...so i think web would suit more my play style , in your opinion what should i change in this team ?

Like i think i will change torkoal for any other fire type Pokemon ,what else should i do??

[spiral fable]

If you want to run webs, imma be honest not a single mon on this team besides ribombee fits

[wild horizon]

Well

[spiral fable]

Webs is usually ribombee + ghold and then a mix of Zamazenta roaring moon Waterpon serperior kingambit raging bolt maybe Dnite Iron Moth Manaphy or Tusk

[wild horizon]

Hmmmm okay i will make a new team

[sly mauve]

btw

if you really wanted to merge webs and sun

you could try to invest a bit defensively into ribombee or sum and run eject pack

[wild horizon]

Oh thanks would consider that

[sly mauve]

its not optimal

[wild horizon]

Yeah

[sly mauve]

it could be fun though if you are looking for that

[wild horizon]

Its only for walking wake

[sly mauve]

oh right

mirror herb is a cool strat. What r u aiming to catch with it?

[wild horizon]

Like its ability and sig move

[wild horizon]

Idk its seem like a item with potential

[sly mauve]

entei mirror herb was one of my favorite strats a little while back

[wild horizon]

Could really work against nasty plot

[sly mauve]

you just click swagger, confuse them and boost both of yalls attack. Then sweep with sacred fire and e speed

[wild horizon]

Damnn

Thats a good idea

[sly mauve]

i can link you the video if you would like

[wild horizon]

Yeah sure

[spiral fable]

Don’t give advice if you are not experienced in the tier

Webs and Sun do not mix together well at all: if you lead ribombee to set webs, it will most likely get removed easily when torkoal tries to set sun, and if you lead torkoal to set sun you lose valuable turns trying to set webs afterwards

Furthermore, you’re essentially playing 4v6, and sun doesn’t even need webs anyways as most of its own sweepers have ways to boost speed/excellent speed control, while most of webs sweepers actually dislike sun

Mons like Serperior Waterpon Ddance Roaring Moon Manaphy and Gholdengo are all hurt by sun, while sun abusers like Walking Wake Gouging Fire HLilligant and Banded Rmoon all dont particularly care for webs

Mirror herb has really only seen use on Zamazenta to beat opposing Ddance roaring moon, and entei is not competitively viable in OU

If you want to suggest/build around gimmicks you are free to do so, but this channel is for providing advice on building viable teams

[sly mauve]

didnt i clearly say it wouldnt be viable?

i said it would be just for fun lmaoo

[spiral fable]

This is not the channel for this advice

[sly mauve]

right then you could have just said that

[spiral fable]

^

[sly mauve]

apologies, I did not see that

i was so focused on the top part

also by the way, if you set up webs on a gimmick team you could actually run proto atk gf tera fire with raging fury +band

and that sounds really fun

[spiral fable]

i mean you could just do that with regular sun and not play 4v6

[sly mauve]

yea but its easier to check without the proto speed

so we cant ask for ratings for any gimmick teams here correct?

[spiral fable]

yes because our advice would be just "go back to a viable team"

[wild horizon]

https://pokepast.es/0feae31a42036f58

How abou this?

[sly mauve]

ive never seen an av gambit

thats really cool

[spiral fable]

assault vest gambit just isnt good

[wild horizon]

Hmmmm

[spiral fable]

similarly, wake and maushold also dont fit on webs

and that tusk set doesnt work

[wild horizon]

Ohhhhh

[spiral fable]

ribombee wants to not run uturn cuz it wants to die to get a clean switch

[wild horizon]

Ok

[wild horizon]

What about switching to iron moth and orepegon Cornerstone Mask

[spiral fable]

decent

if you want a good example of webs, here's a good sample

https://pokepast.es/308ddd8e8592ce66

[wild horizon]

Well i thought adding iron moth would just add more fighting weakness

[spiral fable]

..moth is resistant

[wild horizon]

Wait.....

I just thought it was iron type

....

Cause "iron"moth

Damm I'm dumb

[wild horizon]

Which item would you go for ??

[spiral fable]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/kingambit/

[wild horizon]

Oh

[devout sail]

Lefties or black glasses is usually best

[wild horizon]

https://pokepast.es/f503e03a747692df

[spiral fable]

stellar is bad, use tera flying on ghold and drop tbolt for psyshock, and drop tera flying on gambit for tera dark and make it the offensive attack speed invest set

also struggle bug is bad on ribombee drop it for skill swap/psychic noise

[wild horizon]

Okay

[devout sail]

Psychic noise on ribombee over struggle bug

Sd on gambit

[wild horizon]

https://pokepast.es/46f855d41aa2ff21

[devout sail]

Psyche up???

[spiral fable]

i told you what to change

if you are not willing to listen, that is up to you

but dont repost it here

[wild horizon]

Ok

[wild horizon]

That wass a Miss click wanted psychic noise there

[devout sail]

Ic

[copper lynx]

Is this where i can ask for advice for my team in pokemon?

[devout sail]

Yes

[last frost]

bump 🥺