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rain kernel
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and Lando's seeing a resurgence

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idk, I just didn't think they fit that well while building

spiral fable
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Also, ghold doesn’t even shut down gliscor or clod

rain kernel
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granted building isn't necessarily done

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Glisc without knock or uturn it does

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the sets that are like

spiral fable
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They just dump hazards on you and then SD gliscor beats you with knock

rain kernel
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prot eq toxic and idr the last 1 can't do anything to it

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well yeah they can set up hazards sure

spiral fable
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…the last one is spikes

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Or rocks

rain kernel
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like

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I have a balloon and 2 boots mons, spikes are not the end of the world here, and I do have Tusk who can fire off ice spinners

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I am listening and taking all this down, just I have responses to a lot of these threats

spiral fable
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We’re not saying you don’t have a response to these threats

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We’re saying ghold doesn’t offer your team much and would be better suited to be replaced

ruby crest
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same thing with tusk

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u dont need it here tbh

spiral fable
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Just run fast lando t with taunt

ruby crest
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me thinks gliscor is better since u also get knock

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plus u load against raging bolt better-ish

rain kernel
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I mean, Tusk can learn knock too

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don't get me wrong, I know Glisc is great

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so is Lando

spiral fable
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Ok but our points are not “you need a knocker”

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You are missing it entirely

rain kernel
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Something I do want to ask though is with these 6, what set adjustments can be made?

spiral fable
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We are saying “tusk doesn’t fit here as you don’t really need a spinner and you would be better off with the added bulk from mons like lando and gliscor”

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And frankly, I don’t know why you came to us asking for help if you aren’t willing to listen

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It’s insulting, and a waste of our time

rain kernel
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I am listening

spiral fable
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You have disregarded all our advice

rain kernel
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I said I was taking notes. Maybe changes will be in order a bit down the line to team comp, first I'd rather fix the sets though since I just tossed on sets I had

spiral fable
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Well that’s not what rates is for

rain kernel
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And if the adjusted sets can't be fixed satisfactorally then someone will just need to be replaced assuming I have some glaring weakness

spiral fable
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Tyson and I have offered you our advice

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If you aren’t willing to listen, that is your choice

rain kernel
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And if I go down that path, then I'll use glisc or lando

spiral fable
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Replacing a mon does not mean you have a glaring weakness??

rain kernel
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wouldn't be the worst change by any means

spiral fable
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It just means “there is something better suited”

rain kernel
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I want to see if these 6 can work together before I change anyone out, is the thing. No one seemed to even see my message in comp general, so i felt I'd ask here.

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were I to change out tusk, what are sets for those 2?

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(I legit don't know how to build Lando this gen like at all)

spiral fable
ruby crest
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fwiw

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i always provide players paste with changes and explain why i did it in the first place

rain kernel
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and I honestly want to know, what would a Lando or Glisc set look like on here?

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I'll make a paste with their sets so I can swap around stuff in the builder as needed.

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so RMT isn't the forum to come to then if I want to finetune moves and evs then? as a side note. Where would I ask then, general chat?

spiral fable
rain kernel
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oh

spiral fable
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We have no place to help building around arbitrary restrictions, as that is against the rules of the server

rain kernel
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Well, I suppose that makes sense

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uhm

ruby crest
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as i stated great tusk is not as required here and going glisor maintains ur rocker and knock user, while also vastly improving ur teams mu vs annoying stuff like raging bolt and iron moth, gholdengo is also not important because whatever mon it "beats" here the rest of ur team either covers it or has their own way of handling it, your team is also vulnerable to stuff like ogerpon-w, opposing zama, and to some extent gouging fire

rain kernel
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You think you could give me the sets for those two so i can have them around to mess around with?

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I mean sending me the full paste would be fine if you want to

ruby crest
rain kernel
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thanks, I'll have a look

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why prima?

ruby crest
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primarina gives u another momentum mon while providing useful bulk in checking stuff like gouging fire,weav, zama and can make fat annoying with psychic noise and encore

rain kernel
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just to have a fairy?

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oh

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Primarina is the reason I play with Showdown completely muted.

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Like no joke her cry physically hurts my ears

ruby crest
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you could also be more ballsy with the cb pult and id one and do cinder > prima at the cost of being weaker vs zama, gougin, and to some extent fat

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i like the boots spam one a bit more but feel free to use either or to see which one feels more suitable to u

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you can honestly go lefties on gambit here but i understand why u would keep lum

rain kernel
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I'll save the pastes for now

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I do appreciate the help, even if I don't properly convey that through text

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Got a Lando version?

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since Clod brought it up

ruby crest
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ehh gliscor is better since knock is important to have in ur teams, since lando dont got knock this gen

rain kernel
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oh yeah these dumbass cuts

spiral fable
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I mean Tyson you could feasibly swap out gliscor for fast taunt lando and call it a day

ruby crest
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u load vs annoying special attackers that lando doesnt handle better

rain kernel
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I could go on like an 11 hour rant about why the cuts are stupid, but i'll spare you that.

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also who's Tyson?

ruby crest
spiral fable
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Fair

rain kernel
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I'd like to know what Lando even runs this gen

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all I know is helmet uturn rocks

ruby crest
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mainly ep u turn rocks taunt / gknot

rain kernel
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EVs on defensive Lando-T are never straightforward it feels like

ruby crest
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but would advise to move this topic into #comp-general not to de-rail the thread

rain kernel
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oh. Apologies. I think I understand what you're getting at though, and I saved both of your pastes. I'm sorry if I came off as dismissive @ruby crest @spiral fable

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I guess I'll just be lurking for a bit

ruby crest
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no worries

rain kernel
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Thanks for your help

marsh falcon
hidden crescent
spark gazelle
tender pecan
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hmmm ig the biggest issue is hazards

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also idk if deo speed reallt works on BO

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don't quote me on that but its usually an HO lead for screens or hazards

spark gazelle
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Its the way i found to beat sticky web, and the suprise factor of Psycho boost can give me a early lead

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But i do agree, just did't find a replacement

spiral fable
languid prairie
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quick question: if there are no comments on a team, does that mean it's already good enough with little vulnerabilities?

spiral fable
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no, we would state that

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most of the time we're just busy with irl stuff

languid prairie
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fair nuff, is bumping an ignored team alright tho?

spiral fable
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if it's been a day or more and there's been quite a bit of messages, yes

languid prairie
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I don't ping cuz ik some of you guys may or may not be busy w smth else

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alright, don't mind me then

spiral fable
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i mean ive got some time now i can take a look at it

languid prairie
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languid prairie
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I think hdb on crown is meant to be av there, I forgor to update the set

spiral fable
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no, hdb might be better

languid prairie
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cuz I figured that if I was gonna run hdb might as well go 252/252/4

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oh rlly?

spiral fable
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you have no hazard removal

languid prairie
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just 252/252 then?

spiral fable
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a pivot should definitely be boots

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i would honestly swap out crown for primarina

languid prairie
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boots prim with psychic noise?

spiral fable
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your darkrai matchup isn't the best (it's just ting lu which can get worn down easily)

languid prairie
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man I also just realized prima helps vs goug

spiral fable
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against sun in general

languid prairie
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I struggled specifically vs the ddance set

spiral fable
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yeah definitely swap on primarina boots pivot set here

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or maybe even calm mind if you're feeling a bit offensive

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would recommend boots tho

languid prairie
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should setup dragon skarm be fine vs waterpon

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I mean I rarely had problems w it

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despite the team looking like it's a free ivy cudgel

spiral fable
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water should be kept in check by the combo of skarm and pult

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if its encore pult beats it if its play rough skarm beats it if its play rough encore that player's insane

languid prairie
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any other comments btw besides adding a boots prim set? what moves would you recommend btw

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do I just copy paste a sample set from smogon dex

spiral fable
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no they dont have a boots set

languid prairie
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oh so it's from the sample teams

spiral fable
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(we're going to add it this slate lol)

languid prairie
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that psychic noise set w cm

spiral fable
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if you want to run cm primarina yeah just copy paste

languid prairie
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oh so it's just... an all-attack prima?

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scald/surf, moonblast, psychic noise, then?

spiral fable
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one sec im tryna get the set for boots primarina

languid prairie
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oh there's no scald for prima this gen lmao

spiral fable
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i would reccomend surf flip turn moonblast with encore

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alternatively you can try liquid voice psychic noise if you're feeling funky

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other than that, solid team

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lmk if it runs into any issues

languid prairie
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ait then

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thanks man

languid prairie
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sorry to ping

spiral fable
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just run full bulk

languid prairie
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oh sure lmao, 252 hp 252 spdef?

spiral fable
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yes

languid prairie
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thanks again

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ruby crest
bleak burrow
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there is no problem tbh

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idk why i sent it

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im trying to submit this as a sample team

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rn

ruby crest
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ahh

weary crypt
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Sorry I was high as fuck when I sent that

vernal hornet
ruby crest
vernal hornet
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choice band tera fighting cc kills everything besides lando

ruby crest
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Ehh doesn’t really matter as much when one of the best defensive offensive Mon is getting worn down that helps cover a lot of stuff for this team

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Even then u already have kyurem for a breaker

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tho I’m more concerned of the latter half of the team, no real way to deal dengo and pult (sash samu doesn’t count) no hazard control especially not even being boots spam hurts kyurem a bit, and dengo just honestly seems random here

vernal hornet
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or something

vernal hornet
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?

ruby crest
# vernal hornet what do you recommend,

best course of action honestly would make this boots spam tbh, you can still maintain zama and kyurem as ur breakers with boots being able to come in a bit aggresively regardless if hazards is up or not, replace gouging with sd glisc for a volatile wincon and great answer against stuff like raging bolt and iron moth, make this botos h samu, and do garg > dengo for bulkier ghost answer and obligatory rocker

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if you do id zama i would advise use this set

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Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 8 HP / 112 Atk / 136 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
Body Press
Crunch
Iron Defense
Roar

vernal hornet
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should I keep kuryem specs tho?

spiral fable
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No

ruby crest
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Na specs kyurem wants some time of hazard control otherwise boots it the same breaker at the cost of some power

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Mixed is nice cause u can annoy stuff like bliss and glow king which goes well removing the latter for zama especially if it’s id

vernal hornet
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Ah got it

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Thank

marsh falcon
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marsh falcon
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nvm thats bulky offense

ruby crest
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This is definitely balance

marsh falcon
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ok im dumb

ruby crest
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this looks mainly fine any problems ?

marsh falcon
ruby crest
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This should be boots spam fwiw to begin with which wall breakers specifically

marsh falcon
ruby crest
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for what it’s worth

marsh falcon
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ah

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gotcha

marsh falcon
ruby crest
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Na garg is fine with lefties, but just more context as what is giving problems would be ideal and see where to go from there

marsh falcon
hidden crescent
frail gazelle
hidden crescent
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What should I use instead?

frail gazelle
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If your still using valiant, boots over booster energy but I think valiant could be replaced

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I also think gliscor fits better over ting

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Better synergy with clefable and garg

hidden crescent
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Without Ting i don't really have a switchin to psychics

weak apex
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weak apex
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The tera types arent done

ruby crest
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weak apex
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Second time this week, also how the hell am i supposed to know what the playstyles are if i just copy from a sample team (also yes i used one)

ruby crest
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become familiar with them and also observe sets from waht mons use online as well in battle

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The samples even explain what playstyle they are whether it’s offense, ho, Bo balance, etc

hidden crescent
# weak apex https://pokepast.es/fc78b830688c8c04
  1. Meowscarada is Physical, Protect is much worse in singles than doubles, single attack makes you get walled by Sap Sipper/Resists and Qattack is mediocre at best
  2. Valiant is used for its deadly mixed dual STAB. Why run band and then Aura Sphere, a special move. Also, Brick Break is terrible (you have taunt to stop screens) and you should have a mixed non-choiced set with dual stab (and knock)
  3. Grimmsnarl is the only normal set here
  4. Just run Lava Plume on Koal, its Spattack is much higher anyways and even with Flame Charge you aren't outspeeding anything. Also, again, why run 3 phys attacks and then SBeam? Another thing, having your only hazard remover be rocks weak without boots is just bad (also no berries in singles they offer little to no value)
  5. Tspikes are mediocre, I suggest Defog on Weez
  6. Ghold set is okay, but you should probably use Balloon to get rid of Treads/Tusk. Also, invest into speed.

Honestly just look at samples like Tyson said or at least use Smogondex sets instead of trying to cook and burning your entire house.

weak apex
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Thank yoy so much

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Grimm is only normal cuz it comes straight from a sample, same with ghoudengo

jagged shore
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jagged shore
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chansey is tera ghost

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how can i make this team better

dense gull
spiral fable
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You have hstack and then defog corv? + av hydrapple is bad

spiral fable
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I would recommend dedicating fully to the offensive style: there’s a bulky offense sample team that utilizes Enamorus, Gambit, and Bolt, albeit using different sets

https://pokepast.es/1eb7d818456aa4c1

dense gull
spiral fable
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Ghold spread is weird no good breakers your defensive core is questionable at best with valiant in particular being a major nuisance and hydrapple gets worn down real quick by play rough waterpon which solos the rest of your team

spiral fable
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Don’t try to check Waterpon defensively beat it through hazard pressure and offensive threats

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If you’re really desperate use amoonguss

dense gull
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🥲👍

onyx halo
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/raters

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bum

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chat

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where is the list of comp helpers

spiral fable
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O yeah drop Gouging he’s mid af, slot on Waterpon

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You can choose encore or play rough but I prefer encore

onyx halo
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ohhh okay thanks

spiral fable
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(If you want an explanation for the former changes lmk)

onyx halo
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# onyx halo Yes please it'll help

Psyshock forces Tera on Clodsire/Blissey which helps greatly in the stall matchup cuz then Waterpon can sweep
You don’t really need the speed of Val and the defensive utility of Zamazenta helps your team in the opposing HO matchup
Tera steel on Ribombee to void mortal spin from Glimmora

marsh falcon
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hi can i ask why all the zamas in sample teams have different ev spreads

spiral fable
# marsh falcon hi can i ask why all the zamas in sample teams have different ev spreads

In the future use comp general for these questions, but they are all evd differently to hit certain benchmarks or damage thresholds that their team would otherwise struggle against. However, I wouldn’t recommend doing this on your own teams unless you’re a great builder, as the standard spread is best for 90% of teams and it is hard to identify which benchmarks to hit on ev spreads

marsh falcon
jagged shore
spiral fable
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frankly pecha just is not good in ou

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the 7 dark types running around really give it a hard time

jagged shore
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alright thanks tho

spiral fable
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if you want to make a pecha team, why not uu?

jagged shore
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maybe

ruby crest
spiral fable
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Pecha just feels disappointing

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“Wow I let gambit in for free and now he’s claiming kills on the rest of my team, whoops”

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“Gliscor set up 6 million spikes in front of me, o well”

ruby crest
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Ehhh like I said I run status spam wit stuff like wisp rai or pult to burn gambit, and Gliscor hates coming in on np boosted hex forcing it to Tera normal

hidden crescent
jovial totem
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ruby crest
hidden crescent
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2 Spike

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Mons?

ruby crest
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No one of them
Is going to be rocks

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Usually ting Lu in these builds

ruby crest
hidden crescent
ruby crest
hidden crescent
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does 2 boots count as boots spam? huh

ruby crest
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let’s see skarm doesn’t care about hazards, clef has magic gaurd, ting Lu has lefties to sustain the damage, and if you really want you can make I Val boots

hidden crescent
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playin' vs webs rn

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not going well cause of no tusk

ruby crest
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Then make iron Val boots as well if ur super concerned, not a fan of tusk here adding the weakness to ogerpon rain and kyurem is not ideal and the other hazard removals options can screw over hstack

onyx halo
sly pulsar
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sly pulsar
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I really want to make dragmag work

brisk cedar
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dragmag as a whole is unviable

sly pulsar
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Why though? Can't you beat fairies as long as you have steel types?

brisk cedar
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If you want to use magnezone it would be best with something like kingambit+bulk up tusk

ruby crest
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Or the right dragon kyurem but yeah I tried it it’s not worth it more or less

brisk cedar
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magnezone in general isn't worth but its better off with better partners if you want to use its trapping capabilities

sly pulsar
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Wait I thought the entire point of mag was to beat the steels so the drags didn't have to

brisk cedar
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Most of the dragons already beat them

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and those that don't usually aren't great

sly pulsar
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Oh

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So then besides fairies, what exactly changed between 5 and 9 that made dragmag bad?

brisk cedar
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its limited to roaring moon without tera and certain dragapult and dragonite sets and you open yourself up to awful matchups vs stuff like enamorus and iron valiant and weavile

brisk cedar
sly pulsar
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Oh ok

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Makes sense

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It lost hp fire

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So then would simple drag spam be good?

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As long as they have coverage

spiral fable
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No

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You are Val fodder

ruby crest
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drag spam is cool tho that’s more for offensive teams not really balance or bo imo

spiral fable
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And will struggle hard into other fairies/steels like Primarina Ghokdengo and Gambit

sly pulsar
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I was thinking heatran and gholdengo to balance out

brisk cedar
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something like dd moon+dd kyurem works

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any two of the physical attacking dragons is workable really

sly pulsar
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I thought base kyurem sucked

brisk cedar
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Its viable in every ou and got banned from gen 8, got suspected and is solid in gen 9

sly pulsar
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Oh nice

brisk cedar
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it has historically been uu/rubl because of kyurem black being legal and it lacking dd and freeze dry but its solidly ou now

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Boots helped too

quick bluff
ruby crest
quick bluff
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nothing big, just general wogerpon mu

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bolt/sinis and skarm are usually fine into it but anything with alo in it is begging to be destroyed by ogerpon so

ruby crest
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Yeah tho I also do wonder how important alo is here helpful but also feels super passive in here

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Something tells me you want another Mon here prob something tl help vs glisc

quick bluff
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previous drafts had prim but alo feels really useful for raging bolt/ting/gapdos

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maybe for the sinis version i could drop alo for prim?

ruby crest
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I like bolt more just cause it gives u a solid win con that can just win once gapdos breaks stuff

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That wish is nice but also not required me thinks

quick bluff
quick bluff
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thanks for the advice!

ruby crest
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Actually prim does load va zama better and u can potentially get something against fat

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unreal bramble
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Hi.
Im quite new to Gen 9, stopped playing competitive in Gen 7 and im trying to get back into it.
Anybody got some recommendations for the final 3 for this team or any tweaks?
https://pokepast.es/80bb58bc989ad35b

unreal bramble
tender pecan
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if you wanna finish the team ask in #comp-general or #comp-general-2

unreal bramble
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ohk ty

tender pecan
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nw

sly pulsar
hidden crescent
# sly pulsar https://pokepast.es/2d41d509e6063427 thoughts on my rain team?

CC is usually better than PFangs on Skewda, and min Speed Pelipper is common to have slow UTurn. Appletun seems odd, especially as a bulky Leech Mon that gets completely walled by other grasses with coverage. 4 Spa on Gambit is useless, Lefties is better than Orb on bulky sets and you should run SD and Supreme OLord on it, also what's TBlast Flying for? Brick Break is also a terrible Noobtrap that should always be replaced by CC and maybe switch the Apple for a Special Rain mon? All your sweepers are physical and Pelipper prefers Surf and Roost over HPump and IBeam.

sly pulsar
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Appletun is to double resist grass and electric

hidden crescent
junior harness
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Like raging bolt

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Also try iron treads

lethal pelican
junior harness
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Raging bolt would probably still want some speed investment to outspeed threats like gambit

junior harness
sly pulsar
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But

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Swift swim fell stinger overqwil is looking quite nice

junior harness
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This isn’t even a rain team

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Rain isn’t even that good rn

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Not with bolt and waterpon

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And the thicc monke

sly pulsar
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Alr

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So

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You just called the team shit and gave basically no helpful info

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Tysm

junior harness
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But it’s true

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Fell stinger is gimmicky asf

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I’ve never said the team was shit, and it wasn’t your team either

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Just checked stratdex, fell stinger is fake

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I’m sure the clodsire enjoyer can agree

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Were we even talking about the same thing?

sly pulsar
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What do you even mean by faje

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Fake*

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It learns the move

thin gorge
spiral fable
# sly pulsar https://pokepast.es/2d41d509e6063427 thoughts on my rain team?

You don’t need double banded swift swimmers, drop Floatzel, Skewda is more than enough
You don’t need Appletun it doesn’t beat anything rain struggles with anyways, drop it
Dondozo is way too passive in a rain team and weighs your team down + you don’t need its defensive capabilities anyways as rain teams lean heavily offensive, drop it
Switch Skewda, Pelipper, and Gambit all to their OU sets on smogon (you can find them on the strategy pokedex)
Slot on Iron Treads (also use its set from the stratdex) it’s a good pivot with rocks and spin that can take on Bolt
Slot on Calm Mind Booster Energy Raging Bolt with Weather Ball, it’s a powerful spattacker that can put in work against sun as well
For your last mon, you need something to deal with Waterpon. There’s a few options for this (Swift Swim Overqwil, Moltres, Hisuian-Goodra, etc) and I would recommend Overqwil, with SD, Barb Barrage, Liquidation, and Crunch, with a life orb

junior harness
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It’s bad, like it really is

spiral fable
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Yeah unfortunately fell stinger isn’t a good move, the 2.5 attack boost sounds nice but the damage loss means you’re really going to struggle to get those kills in the first place + SD boosted by Life Orb is already enough to kill most threats

spiral fable
# lethal pelican https://pokepast.es/893a6c64f674fc29

If you’re running Black Glasses Gambit run Tera Dark
I wouldn’t recommend running Bolt or Waterpon on Glimmora HO teams, they’re a bit too slow with no way to boost speed (unless you’re running Trailblaze but that’s a whole other list of issues)
Drop Heatran, it’s a defensive mon and you don’t want to run those on HO (hyper offense wants to be, well, offensive, with 5 setup sweepers and 1 utility lead)
Swap in Ddance Roaring Moon (you can run Taunt over Eq if you want to put pressure on stall and balance at the cost of the Gambit matchup)
Honestly from here you can really pick from a list of sweepers, but some I would recommend are Iron Defense Zamazenta for its defensive utility, and Darkrai for another special attacker, but you can also run picks like Calm Mind Hatterene, Ddance Dnite, etc

sly pulsar
spiral fable
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Like I said, stinger sucks

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You will be losing out on Dark stab for a move you will likely never get a chance to click

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# shrewd trench https://pokepast.es/fc0c495ca77860cc

This sure is sun lol
I would suggest making hlliligant have an offensive Tera like Fighting
You could also give Rmoon a speed booster and swap wake to spattack booster to better out speed threats like Val (and if you really want you can make wake modest and have a chance to ohko Gking if you Tera water)

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Over all, a very solid team though

shrewd trench
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I will keep this in mind, thanks

dull plume
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SD and Fell Stinger both basically accomplish the same thing, and as previously mentioned, there is a set of requirements you need for Fell Stinger to actually work so slotting it makes it kind of awkward

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Only mons you’d really run Jet on for rain are mons like Daunt and Azu (may be past gen examples, but hopefully you get the point) that hit so hard anyways that using a weaker move is less harming to their ability to break

brisk cedar
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jet is viable on skewda and legion for opposing priority moves and outside of rain (basculegion is also outsped by a couple things even in rain)

sly pulsar
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i've made most of the other changes that were suggested

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i assume it's just a skill issue atp

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but what was I doing wrong?

uncut musk
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It's my first attempt at making a team for SV

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I can make it to 1400 in showdown with it, and then I hit a wall

uncut musk
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does anyone want to take a look at it?

spiral fable
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Please keep in mind it is 1 am for most raters

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And we have irl lives

spiral fable
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You have Glimmora, which is a lead for hyper offense, yet you stack mons like Skeledirge (a slow, defensive mon, which should also only be running boots), 4 attack weavile, and similar mons with no setup moves

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Hyper Offense is a structure based around exerting heavy offensive pressure: this is done through stacking multiple, powerful setup sweepers, which this team does not

uncut musk
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Well I don't know the first thing about teambuilding

spiral fable
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Which is why I would recommend using a sample team first

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Look at the mons they use, the sets, and study the structures

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And if you want an overview of the general structures in comp pokemon you can read this message: #comp-general message

hidden crescent
# uncut musk https://pokepast.es/1812be16da71bf7c Is anyone awake to check this out?

Looks pretty good for your first team, but here is what I found:
Dirge seems out of place here, looks like HO/Heavy but you have that one bulky mon, same for Pivot Waterpon, you should commit to either Balance or just go full on HO with SD Weavile and OPon. The Weavile set is also weird, Ice Shard doesn't seem necessary and Tusk should run Boots if it's going to be your only Hazard Removal, Headlong over EQ and maybe Knock Off instead of CC.

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The problem is really just you have no synergy mostly

uncut musk
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I already deleted the team

spiral fable
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Honestly clemo's advice has a few flaws

uncut musk
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I'm just going to take one of the sample teams and fail to use it, I guess

spiral fable
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if you want tips on using it you can dm me replays/ask comp general for advice

spiral fable
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Tusk also struggles to slot into HO (and HO doesn't need hazard removal anyways), only really seeing small usage as a BU mon with Booster Energy

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We appreciate the effort to give rates if a rater can't get to it due to one reason or another (especially recently since we had a decent backlog we had to clear), but please refrain from giving advice if you are not experienced and knowledgable in the tier, as giving wrong advice is often worse than giving no advice

hidden crescent
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Well, guess it's back to the drawing board (or the forum board) for me

spiral fable
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Or speciailizing in 1-2 styles, and only giving rates on those at first

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Then, over time you can expand

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(This is what I did, I started with only helping stall teams and pointing out some errors, then played the tier more and learned more about rates)

hidden crescent
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I currently play sun HO and Balance so that's gonna be my focus, ty for advice on my (bad) advice

spiral fable
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np, if you want feedback just dm me

uncut musk
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I dm'd you

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thin gorge
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so i want some improvements that help me deal with it

weak apex
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Ok so

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This cresselia a good wall defensive unit right

ruby crest
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Double team is banned due to evasion clause, and these type of questions are better asked in #comp-general this thread focuses on rating teams not advising for sets

weak apex
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I had forgor

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south raptor
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a lot of the mons r weak to ground ik but thats what grassy terrain helps with

south raptor
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wow

ruby crest
# south raptor https://pokepast.es/9e209007f7e23daa

imma be frank there is no reason for this team to be rilla + luch + 4 ground weak mons, i get the appeal fo g terrain is to help weaken eq, but this isnt the way and is prob better to rework it since this just leaves the team to sturggle with so many threats, especially the average ground mons usually have moves that bypass terrain or ways to beat the mons without needing ground stab

craggy atlas
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have there been any successful teams with volcanion post dlc 2

ruby crest
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This ain’t the place to ask, these type of questions are better in #comp-general

craggy atlas
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👍

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sly pulsar
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I want a wish mon somewhere in here

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But idk who goes

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And maybe toxapex but idk

spiral fable
sly pulsar
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So swap blissed for ting lu?

spiral fable
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tera grass dozo is also pretty bad cuz you already have a dedicated waterpon counter in amoonguss + now you lose to taunt rmoon

spiral fable
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this team just seems like it was built by someone who doesn't have knowledge with how to build stall

sly pulsar
spiral fable
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Unfortunatley, stall this gen is very limited in the builds you can run

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And it's by far the hardest team to build if you have no experience

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You need to boots stack, you need a knock absorber, you need the big 4 + a few others, can't run toxic spike, you need certain movesets, etc

craggy atlas
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I would recommend running a stall sample and reading up on the stall bible: it's a compendium of the best stall sets, mons, and their roles on stall compiled by the best stall players and is an excellent resource for learning how to play and build stall

sly pulsar
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What are knock absorbers?

spiral fable
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the former due to its magic guard allowing it to ignore hazards anyways, and the latter two due to sticky hold

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spiral fable
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Idk why you're running vest rillaboom, idk what scarf ghold is doing here especially since you have speed control in lucha, all of your sweepers are physical attackers with no real way to break physical walls except maybe rillaboom wood hammer and that's just a tera, im really not a fan of air balloon spdef heatran especially since there's two viable fire types in the tier both of which will hit you with a ground type move anyways and both carry secondary stab to hit you on the tera grass, and this team doesn't really utilize gterrain enough as your only real abusers are lucha + heatran

rich crag
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sly pulsar
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Is it good?

spiral fable
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I don’t know why you’re deviating from the sets in the stall bible

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But don’t

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Without calm mind Blissey gets overwhelmed, you cannot run non-boots unless you have heavy hazard removal (which you don’t), why is your gliscor offensive, why does mola have whirlpool, this team has no way to deal with psychic noise psyshock or stored power, or wellspring, no knock absorber (corv gets overwhelmed easily)

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Once again, I would heavily recommend using a sample stall team: building stall in this generation is extremely hard, as you are extremely limited in terms of what you can experiment with or change from the top teams

rich crag
hidden crescent
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Glowking seems out of place, run a hazard mon like Glimmora over it, it's a good lead on HO

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3 Choicers are almost too many, probably switch Cinderace to boots and give it Court Change

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That should help a good bit to ease your matchup vs stuff like Gholdengo Hazard Stack or full stall

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Since right now you have neither Hazards nor removal

rich crag
hidden crescent
# rich crag What is ho?

Hyper Offense, as in you just stack a lot of Sweepers with either Choice Items, sometimes LOrb and Setup to quickly overwhelm your enemy

rich crag
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Oh ok ty

hidden crescent
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Also run Knock Off/Encore/Play Rough on Ogerpon over Spiky Shield, it doesn't really benefit from it

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4 Spa on Lando is also useless, use HP or Spdef

rich crag
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Ty

hidden crescent
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Also Tera Fire Cinderace to get Stab Pyro Ball back and kill Defensive Dengo, Treads and 2HKO Clef and Hatterene

rich crag
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Ok

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Ty for the advice

hidden crescent
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Glimm either Tera Flying or Ghost

rich crag
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Ok

tender pecan
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I wouldn't use cinderace as hazard control with lead glimm

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tbh

tender pecan
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choicers should not be on HO

hidden crescent
tender pecan
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the team needs a fair bit of tweaking

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glim is fine

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wellspring is also fine

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everything else could use some changing

hidden crescent
# rich crag Ok

Didn't notice before, but Valiant Tera Steel/Ghost/Fairy, PShock or Shadow Ball over Aura Sphere and Encore instead of Psychic

tender pecan
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^

rich crag
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Ok

tender pecan
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encore is pretty good for finding valiant turns to set up

hidden crescent
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Also DPult uses Flamethrower rather than Fire Blast

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With Tera Ghost or Dragon to boost Damage

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You can go Timid or Modest, whichever you like best, but despite your base 142 Speed Timid helps you outspeed Zamazenta and not Speed Tie Weavile

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Although the former is vastly more important than the latter

spiral fable
spiral fable
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Clemo, once again I appreciate the effort, but giving poor advice is worse than giving no advice

hidden crescent
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I am once again baffled by my own stupidity

spiral fable
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Anyways Gumball, choiced mons on HO aren't good due to their predictability and Dragapult isn't good on HO outside of that besides the rare Screens suicide lead (which doens't fit here), Cinderace is too weak for HO and you don't need a pivot or a hazard remover, Scarf lando is similarly easy to play around as well as being too weak to exert suitable offensive pressure on hyper offense teams + tera blast flying kinda sucks, Ogerpon is a fine mon on Webs HO but Glimmora Hyper Offense is generally faster paced and Ogerpon's inability to boost it's speed means it's more easily revenge killed and thus often better replaced by another threat

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Iron Valiant's moveset also needs tweaking, you shouldn't run Aura Sphere as Shadow Ball is the much better coverage option to hit Slowking-Galar which otherwise walls Iron Valiant, and run either Psyshock in the last slot to threaten special walls Blissey and Clod or Encore to have easier setup on other mons

rich crag
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I'm not trying to build ho. I'm just trying to build a team:)

spiral fable
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Well the team is looking like HO

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Even if you pivot away from HO and go for another style you would still need to drop a large chunk of these mons

rich crag
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Ok

spiral fable
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Frankly, I cannot rework this team without essentially building an entirely new one for you and at that point it's not your team anymore

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The issue is you don't seem to have built with a team style in mind, so the mons you picked don't synergize well with each other and you end up torn between Bulky Offense and Hyper Offense, without dedicating to either and suffering for it

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ew why does it link discord now

rich crag
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Ty

spiral fable
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I would recommend running a sample team for now, and learning what these structures look like in OU: you can find them at this link

rich crag
tender pecan
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Skelidirge doesn't work on HO

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It's far too slow and not immediately threatening to be effective

spiral fable
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Please refrain from sending the same team multiple times + you have no lead at all, power herb glimmora is not a lead it's a sweeper + you didn't listen to my advice about Waterpon on HO + Skeledirge on HO is EXTREMELY niche and only works on that one sample team and basically no others + raging bolt suffers from the same issues as waterpon

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Once again, I would heavily recommend running a sample team for now

tender pecan
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^

rich crag
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Ok

sly pulsar
spiral fable
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you lose to all the knock off mons

sly pulsar
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And gliscor only has one attacking move

spiral fable
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ok but you're 252 atk

sly pulsar
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Oh

spiral fable
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and 252 speed

sly pulsar
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Lol I'll change that

spiral fable
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i would heavily recommend just using a sample team

sly pulsar
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I normally just let the ev presets decide for me

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I'll fix it

sly pulsar
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Like I don't think dondozo is taking any significant hazard damage

spiral fable
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the issue is stall needs to switch in multiple times against dangerous offensive threats

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and hazards not only limit the amount of times you can switch in by burning your healing resources, you also fall into dangerous 3hko/2hko thresholds that you wouldn't hit otherwise

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ie falling into gambit kowtow cleave range, or bolt draco range, etc etc

sly pulsar
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Ah I see

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Also I've got whirlpool on Mola because it's suggested by stall bible

spiral fable
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hm, ill bring it up with them then but that set really isn't that good and you would much rather have flip

sly pulsar
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If I can't have whirlpool on Mola, I still would like to have some trapper

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Any suggestions?

spiral fable
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there's no good trappers besides mola lol

sly pulsar
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So why can't I have whirlpool then

spiral fable
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because you would much rather have flip turn

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glacial panther
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Never built ho team before

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Is it good

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Forgot to change teras for some mons

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Went with e killer

glacial panther
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Might put manaphy

sly pulsar
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Not pasting pokepaste link bc I don't want to ping everyone for the same team for a third time

spiral fable
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ok 80% of my advice still applies

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and frankly this is the 3rd time i have told you to just run a sample team

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beacuse you still do not understand how to build stall

glacial panther
spiral fable
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i will rate his team first because i already know it and have rated it twice

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and if you're going to be demanding rates like that I'm not going to rate your team at all

glacial panther
sly pulsar
spiral fable
# sly pulsar

You cannot run non-boots unless you have heavy hazard removal (which you don’t), this team has no way to deal with psychic noise psyshock or stored power, or wellspring, no knock absorber (corv gets overwhelmed easily)

sly pulsar
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And blissey is a stored power blocker

glacial panther
spiral fable
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I literally copypasted my advice and removed two pieces of it

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and it still applies

sly pulsar
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Mola no longer has whirlpool

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It's got flip turn

spiral fable
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Gliscor is not a knock absorber: it loses to almost every knocker in the tier

glacial panther
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How

sly pulsar
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But stall bible said

spiral fable
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Yes I know the stall bible says that

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I talk regularly with the people who made it

glacial panther
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Yes but his team checks them

spiral fable
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No it doesn't

glacial panther
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Corv and don

sly pulsar
spiral fable
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Because anything else that switches into them, guess what, gets knocked

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And that's the point

sly pulsar
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So who's a better knock offer

glacial panther
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Tera water gliscor

sly pulsar
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But then I waste my tera

spiral fable
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Muk

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Hydrapple in rare occasions

sly pulsar
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Muk suk

glacial panther
spiral fable
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Not on stall

glacial panther
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Triple axel

spiral fable
glacial panther
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Waste Tera

spiral fable
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It's a legitimate strategy that has seen success in tournament play, though generally muk is better

sly pulsar
glacial panther
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It takes hazard

spiral fable
sly pulsar
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Could I just go heavy on the hazard removal then?

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Instead of using muk

spiral fable
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I mean theoretically, yes, but in reality I don't think you know how to build Talonflame/Cyclizar stall

sly pulsar
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Alr

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It's mucking time then

spiral fable
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This is the last time I am telling you this: Run the sample team I sent you

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Stall is the hardest playstyle to build for and needs extensive knowledge and practice, especially in this generation's metagame

sly pulsar
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Ok

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I will

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I wanted to be quirky

glacial panther
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Don’t

sly pulsar
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But fine

glacial panther
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Use ur own teams

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Trial and error

sly pulsar
glacial panther
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Find out what ur weak to

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Fix it

sly pulsar
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I'd rather listen to God clod

spiral fable
# glacial panther https://pokepast.es/407bfc6abcef704e

Never run Choice attackers on Hyper Offense, once they get locked into a move they can be played around easily and it drags your team down, hex pult is bad on hyper offense as its too passive and pult in general really only works as a screens lead on ho(which doesn't fit here), you need ghold and im really iffy on moltres galar

glacial panther
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I need manaphy

glacial panther
spiral fable
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Metal birds, Zapdos, Moltres

glacial panther
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I have arcanine

sly pulsar
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Can I run infestation over pjab on the sample team toxapex?

spiral fable
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No infestation is too weak and you need a way to status

sly pulsar
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Ok

spiral fable
sly pulsar
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But doesn't infestation trap and damage over time?

glacial panther
spiral fable
spiral fable
glacial panther
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How

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Metal birds can’t even hit it

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Corgi knight pops ballon with u turn

spiral fable
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Ghold can't switch into Moltres doesn't like taking chip from Zapdos hates losing balloon

glacial panther
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Also zap does r freely switch from rilla

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It takes more than 50% so it roosts and i ko it

spiral fable
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you do not want to be gambling against static procs + even then you still let in skarm/corv/moltres in

glacial panther
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Like I said gold is there

jagged shore
glacial panther
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So moltres is the only problem

spiral fable
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Look, Choiced breakers on webs has been a long tested idea

glacial panther
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I can put Tera blast on my moltres and kill it

jagged shore
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I switched out heatran with darkrai

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to deal with some mons

spiral fable
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In theory, it's a very cool idea, you can use web's speed drop to allow these usually trash mons to sweep beacuse now they're faster

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In practice, they're way too reliant on webs and boom without it, and even with webs up they often let in mons that can punish you for it

glacial panther
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Idk why I’m even doing this, everything runs boots Im this gen

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Sticky web is rubbish

spiral fable
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You bring in Harc and Tusk comes in for the spin, you bring in Rillaboom and every dragon is ready to start dancing

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Choiced mons just frankly suck on hyper offense

glacial panther
spiral fable
glacial panther
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It happened while I was testing

spiral fable
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Frankly, that's cuz you're in lower ladder

glacial panther
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I’m at 1500

spiral fable
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yeah

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Lower ladder

glacial panther
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That’s not low

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1700 is top 500

spiral fable
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the gap between 1500 and 1700 is pretty big

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and some of the plays i see in 1700 are questionable as well but that's a debate for a different time

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Anyways this is way off topic

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Choiced breakers don't work on Webs, you should drop them for sweepers

glacial panther
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Manaphy

spiral fable
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Manaphy is alright though it's a bit too reliant on webs and kinda booms into ogerpon-wellspring

glacial panther
spiral fable
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Drop Harc drop Rillaboom drop Dragapult

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frankly i would drop moltres galar as well but ig that's up to you

glacial panther
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Hazard stack

spiral fable
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we don't rate multiple teams from the same person, if you want to get this rated wait a bit before posting it again

glacial panther
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Ok

craggy atlas
gilded swallow
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havent played since dlc 1 so

strange merlin
strange merlin
sly pulsar
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The sample team is just not working out for me

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I definitely prefer clodsire over toxapex

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Being able to come in on setup mons and because of unaware safely Haze is so much nicer than going in without unaware.

spiral fable
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you can swap it on if you want, then

glacial panther
spiral fable
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when i said wait a bit i meant a day

sly pulsar
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Oh good

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So the team doesn't have to be completely rigid with only those?

spiral fable
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i would heavily discourage changing anything else, but in the end of the day its up to you

sly pulsar
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Ok

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I'll just swap in the clod

strange merlin
spiral fable
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no

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don't ping me for rates, i will get to them when i have the time/motivation

gaunt fox
gaunt fox
quick bluff
# strange merlin https://pokepast.es/9660d88ffbbe2e2e

definite changes:
- make raging bolt tera fairy/steel (steel if you find yourself struggling into primarina, gives you one extra potential layer)
- treads should be eject button, and tera ghost/flying/water
- gambit without sd is crazy, drop iron head for sd (also you forgot 4 defense evs)
- make zap tera grass and give it some boots so you have an ogerpon check, also give it thunder over discharge

optional changes:
- surf over weather ball on pelipper, imo the 10% decrease in power is worth functioning outside of rain in emergencies but this is completely up to you
- make gambit slower and bulkier with lefties or lum berry, between bolt, zap, and skewda i think you have sufficient counterplay for opposing gambits

hope this helps, glhf

strange merlin
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and static + discharge to get para’s

quick bluff
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right but

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thunder just does more damage and has no drawbacks while rain is up

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still has that 30% para chance

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sly pulsar
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Mistah clod

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You got any advice on dealing with garganacl using the stall team?

fierce basin
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Switch between Regen guys forever

sly pulsar
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But sample team doesn't have regen guys

woeful prairie
knotty ginkgo
bleak burrow
rigid socket
kind trail
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what are the best checks for zamazenta/roaring moon? i keep getting wrecked by thoes two

dusky kindle
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Also sticky barb clefable

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Landorus t with helmet can be a good check to both also

glacial panther
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And tera fire/steel will destroy clefable

spiral fable
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he said solid not perfect

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glacial panther
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As soon as i sent it

kind trail
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thank you theduckchris!

dusky kindle
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Yeah you can scout for heavy slam

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It's not super common right now though

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More roar and crunch

dusky kindle
white solstice
dusky kindle
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So like curse eq salt cure

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Helps vs gholdengo with covert cloak and a few other things

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Also not really sure you need energy ball on moth, sub would prob be better

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Pretty sure all you hit is Garg and ting Lu and you should prob be saving moth if they're still around

woeful prairie
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Thank you!

craggy atlas
autumn narwhal
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also this team should not be using garg to deal w covert cloak gholdengo, youd just kill it w moth or sum

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tender pecan
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there's a couple weird synergies here

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also uhhh

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drop sparkling Aria

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strict downgrade in singles to surf

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thats if you keep prim

twin horizon
surreal bloom
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do you like zamazenta?

twin horizon
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A little bit

bleak burrow
knotty ginkgo
molten dirge
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first team, harsh feedback accepted

knotty ginkgo
molten dirge
spiral fable
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o yeah personally im not a fan of flamethrower gking and prefer twave but that's up to you

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actually no just drop flamethrower what are you hitting with it

knotty ginkgo
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I end up with GKing against Corv a lot

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It's mainly for that

spiral fable
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hm

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i still think twave would be better

knotty ginkgo
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Randomly burning stuff feels good too

spiral fable
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twave synergizes better with pult

knotty ginkgo
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Oh yeah I don't really need the speed drop but it helps Hex, I didn't think about that

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I'll try TWave and Brave Bird but idk if I can drop Low Kick for SD on Weavile, I end up having to 1v1 Kingambit with it a lot

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As my Skarm doesn't have BPress

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Maybe I don't need ww on both Ting-Lu and Skarm?

spiral fable
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yeah i dont think you need it on both

knotty ginkgo
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I realised now that my Skarm had 0 Atk IVs and -Atk nature for some reason, Drill Peck was doing absolute shit damage

spiral fable
knotty ginkgo
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Okay ty, I'll try that for now

strange merlin
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strange merlin
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is there something i can change so that i can stop getting walled by mons such as glowking

spiral fable
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not a fan of mystic water wake, just run specs

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i dont think gouging is realy worth it on sun nowadays honestly, rmoon is the better speed control + comes with more utility

brisk cedar
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Mystic water is good

spiral fable
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if you want to be a gking hater run modest specs wake with tera water max spattack to have a high chance to nuke gking

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otherwise, you really just have to predict around it coming in

strange merlin
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ok what about the roaring moon

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what would the set look like

spiral fable
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its banded set on stratdex

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just run booster speed, then make wake booster spattack

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(cuz rmoon would be your speed control anyways)

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other than that im iffy about tusk on sun but there's no real problem with it, i would run an offensive tera like ground tho

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rest of team is fine

strange merlin
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what would you switch tusk with if you had to

spiral fable
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gambit is always a solid anchor for any ho team + operates outside of weather

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bolt can be fun to run + helps in the rain matchup

strange merlin
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alright thanks

abstract olive
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anybody got a fire slowbro-galar set?

spiral fable
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this is not the right channel

abstract olive
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my b

craggy atlas
floral grotto
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fluid swallow
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I have been using this team for awhile now with solid results on lower ladder. However, I feel like I more often than not auto-lose into ogerpon-w and that not everyone is able to consistently pull their weight. Any advice on how to actively get the team stronger? https://pokepast.es/47ca4ea079fa224a

tender pecan
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This is certainly a team

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The main issue is negative synergy tbh

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For instance iron treads is a fast pivot in this case, it's usually also the stealth rocker and used to generate momentum on more offensive teams

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But then your momentum gets halted by dondozo and blissey who are much more passive and thus squander your pressure

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What team structure is this anyway, balance?

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Cause if it is I'm not sure if blissey or iron treads belong here

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Also if wellspring is the thing giving you trouble your best bet is to threaten it offensively tbh

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Someone better than me could help you out with that tho, treads and bliss shouldn't be here but who to replace them with I'm not too sure

round anvil
round anvil
tender pecan
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They have lives yknow they'll get to it when they can

spiral fable
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What kind of team were you going for here? What style?

rigid socket
spiral fable
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There's not a lot of synergy here

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Clodsire slows the team down, you don't have enough offfensive pressure with Dnite being limited by rocks and Gambit being your only other offensive threat, but your defensive synergy is really bad since wash loses to most offensive attackers and clodsire can't carry on its own + too passive

rigid socket
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honestly my idea was to create an offensive team that then i was like but loses to this and that

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and now it kinda became messy

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like at first i had gliscor and great tusk but that felt a bit too much of a ground type

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so then i tried to use darkrai and kinggambit as offensive tools

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and cinderace as my hazard control

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so yeah basically i use rotom and cinderace as my pivots Dnite as my wallbreaker gambit as a just a decent pokemon i guess and clod /rotom as def

rigid socket
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like balance i would say

spiral fable
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Unfortunately it just doesn’t work

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Rotom isn’t a good defensive mon (or much of a mon at all honestly it fell off hard), Clodsire is too passive for this team

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Dragonite isn’t a very good wall breaker and you don’t have the hazard control to pull it off anyways

rigid socket
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yeah i am still trying to figure out the new meta i took a year break

spiral fable
rigid socket
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ok thanks for the suggestion

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i am guessing team is too bad to fix

spiral fable
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Yeah, just no real direction or synergy

rigid socket
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ok thank you

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spiral fable
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if you want to run setup hatterene drop nuzzle for mystical fire, and im really iffy about deo s and think another mon would be better here (zamazenta)

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if you want to keep deo s though drop twave for superpower

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delicate shale
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Corv is immune to ground, Tran is immune to fire and Dengo is immune to fighting

delicate shale
spiral fable
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I’m going to be honest this does not look very good

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I don’t know why you have boots ghold, really don’t like triple stacking steels

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Offensive pressure seems kinda lacking especially since your only sweeper is ghold + your second offensive mon is heatran

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Heatran in general seems like an odd pick here with that set as it’s definitely a set more suited to offensive teams, you really don’t want to run one-time use items on balance

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Also like legitimately what fire types in OU care about heatran flash fire? Cuz both Gouging and Moth can blow through you with coverage and Torkoal isn’t an offensive mon anyways

floral grotto
spiral fable
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so webs really only works on HO

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because you can't really keep it up in a longer game

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(and yes bulky offense can't do this)

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and if you lessen your team's reliance on webs well at that point you might as well drop webs entirely cuz then you're just playing 5-6 most of the time

floral grotto
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Cool, I'll workshop it again! So I should probably introduce some speed control through faster pokemon?

sly mauve
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lmk what yall think. im kinda new

spiral fable
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then, build around that

spiral fable
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You alreay had a better rocker than heatran + you don't really need the wallbreaking capabilities as much and your team isn't fire weak (not that heatran would fix that)
Wash honestly is just kinda mid ngl but you already have a phys def pivot in lando and you would rather have Gking for a spdef pivot
Greninja just falls short and fails to the kills it needs a lot of times and really only fits on HO or rain

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I would swap out Greninja for Banded Dragapult, gives your team a wallbreaker + some more speed control, and Heatran for Gambit to round the team out with a solid anchor that can also threaten the ghosts

floral grotto
stone yacht
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I was wondering what it lacks 🙏🏻

tender pecan
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phatom force on pult is kinda not real imma be honest

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and also whats the point of magnezone

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if its to trap kingambit then it should have body press

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and ngl magnezone doesn't answer kingambit that well unless you blow tera

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if its to trap other steels like ghold and corv then, well its also not doing that super well in the case of ghold, and corv does not really need to be trapped

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it has pivoting anyway it won't be

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this looks like balance of sorts but it just has some oddball choices

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firstly, pult is just not the right set

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give it the boots pivot set on smogon

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secondly I'm not sure how much I like magnezone here

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its generally not a good mon, its also your only decent answer to wellspring but if it goes down then the entire team folds

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pivot pult should help prevent that since you could threaten a will-o-wisp against it, and instead of magnezone maaaaybe iron defence zamazenta could be an option

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its not a stonewall answer but it does fairly well against kingambit as a sucker punch wouldn't kill it meanwhile body press threatens it severely

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its an outright ko unless it teras

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88 Def Zamazenta Body Press vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 364-432 (92.3 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO ok not an outright ko but this is against bulky kingambit and you're still heavily favoured to

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some other things would be there's better spikes setters than clod for a team like this, Ting Lu is pretty good generally

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or skarmory

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I prefer ting lu but thats just me

stone yacht
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Right Its better to
use will o wisp pult

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Body press ig better

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And just for me though, i got a hard time dealing with some boosted spa mons so id preffer spd clod over spd tinglu spikes, + its an anti toxic spike

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Thanks!

molten dirge
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pls give feedbacks on items, mons i could change and moves

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i'm really new into teammaking

molten dirge
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also i just changed gholdengo for skarmory

tender pecan
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potentially instead of corv but I'm not too sure

stone yacht
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Oh

tender pecan
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slowking is really really good

stone yacht
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I just thought it wouldve been an easy way if the opp would switch into ghost

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Rapid spin...
And in predictions, idk maybe 5050 or sm shi

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Well i gotta try it though

tender pecan
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you could slot defog onto corv if you really want but I'm not the biggest fan of defog corv

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you should be fine on the hazards front if you have enough boots tbh

stone yacht
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I dont like defogs tbh

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Corv just serves as a wall

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Well at some cases some peep mistake corvi and wellsprings gets bairt over brave bird

tender pecan
# molten dirge https://pokepast.es/f8d338d825d8e177

incineroar sucks in singles, its slow, isnt immediately threatening, is weak to all forms of hazards and really lacks the same pressure it exerts in doubles with moves like fake out and parting shot. its bad, don't use it. no clue whats up with the set on rillaboom, deo speed or garganacl and azumarill is niche, its completely ruined by waterpon and has struggled to find its footing in this gen tbh, its deathly afraid of hazards and status and is sadly incredibly predictable, speaking of hazards you have no removal to speak of

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tbh I'd scrap this

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tender pecan
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you can see the samples there

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top link

molten dirge
tender pecan
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try out one of those samples first then build your own team

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cause imma be fr this is whack

molten dirge
tender pecan
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Just use a sample

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Everyone's first team is gonna be whack dw about it

stone yacht
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Hey anyway, would a scarf magnezone work? 🗿

tender pecan
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No

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Lol

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Magnezone is just straight up not very good unfortunately

molten dirge
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stone yacht
gentle venture
molten dirge
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oh alright

gentle venture
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https://pokepast.es/393ad124cc6fbda8 utility gyarados is something ı wanted to try for some time and ı think its pretty neat thunder wave + taunt hinders most of the DD+SD sweepers except NMI mixed kyurem / some mixed SD vals with thunderbolt coverage while it can slow down and annoy roaring moon taunt varinat can break through it after a dragon dance and some chip damage kingambit can just tera dark and force its way out and it doesnt really care about paralysis anyway HDB is more of a place holder item since ı have pretty strong hazard control ı was think about switching it with rocky helmet or leftovers open to any advice

tender pecan
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Mirror herb zamazenta is an idea I suppose but it is inherently inconsistent

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tbf most boosting sets are physical so you're more likely to get some benefit if they boost then not

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and a defence boost is cool too I suppose

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not sure I fw grassy seed hatt

spiral fable
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I’m going to comment on the gyarados I’m going to be honest it does nothing for you here

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You want twave and hinder ddance sweepers? Hex Pult

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Also you get out sped by most ddance sweepers anyways

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So you won’t even be getting off a twave/taunt

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Grassy seed hatt is fine but this team should lean more offensive if you want to use gterrain

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Mirror Herb Zama is a bit funky I do think that should only be on HO and lefties would be better especially with gterrain

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Drop Gyarados for Lucha, maybe swap tran to flame body (iffy about this one but moth crumples you anyways, decent mu into Gouging with Terrain tho), and I would recommend making Tusk BU booster speed

tender pecan
gentle venture
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thx isnt dragapult a bit frail it cant really switch into most thing and most of the DD sweepers outspeed it after a dragon dance ı wanted to use gya cause it has a good defensive typing not bad bulk and intimidate

tender pecan
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dragapult wants pivot support

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but stuff like roaring moon without a boost doesn't wanna stare it down

spiral fable
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Twave it? It's going to ddance again and nwo still be at base speed with +1 atk

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Taunt it? It's faster and so it gets a free boost first

tender pecan
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and ice fang isn't doing much

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gyara does seem cool on first glance tho so it makes sense

spiral fable
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fun concept, bad execution

gentle venture
spiral fable
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ok but what other sweepers tho

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dnite is faster and doesn't care about being twaved since it clicks espeed anyways

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Gouging is also faster so it's just the rmoon pt 2

tender pecan
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Ig wellspring but there's tons of answers to sweeper wellspring

spiral fable
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Gambit sds then suckers and you can't hurt it much
Ogerpon is faster
Weavile is faster + doesn't even care about intim

tender pecan
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And you're not doing much in return

spiral fable
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You can't switch in

tender pecan
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Intimidate might soften the blow but you're eating two hits, so yeah fair

spiral fable
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also you dont even do any damage to it afterwards so it just starts smacking you around

tender pecan
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Power creep is not kind, even to on paper really sound mons like gyarados

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Things are just too fast and too strong nowadays

gentle venture
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okay ı did take a look at the calcs and honestly with invesment it can actually tank hits pretty well but about the fighting back part you guys are definetly right it cant really do damage if its not supereffective

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i got inspired by tera water land-t to be honest anyways so hawlucha its

tender pecan
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Not only that ice fang is a very weak move

gentle venture
tender pecan
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So even with gyarados's good natural attack it's not gonna be hitting hard at all without stab, even with stab it's still laughable

tender pecan
gentle venture
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ice fang can 2 hko roaring after stealth rock but its physcal bulk is terrible anyways

karmic lake
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karmic lake
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tbh i dont think shuca berry is that good for this...

nova sequoia
tender pecan
# karmic lake https://pokepast.es/167187311ef26f6d does this team seem weak to gouging fire?

Terrain extender rillaboom is supposed to enable terrain abusers but you don't have any, I'm not the biggest fan of banded meow it hits fairly hard but locking into something can break your momentum, and while you hit hard, not hard enough tbh, speaking of momentum, treads lacks volt switch which tends to be a staple, shuca berry isn't very good, spiky shield on Ogerpon isn't great either, it kills your pace, this could defo use a bit of work

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I don't have any terrain team sets on me tho

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But they generally fit hawlucha there somewhere, its niche is an unburden sweeper

nova sequoia
tender pecan
gentle venture
tender pecan
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It can work on offence but ye it's a Tera hog and super specific

nova sequoia
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any other suggestions?

tender pecan
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Not sure what team structure this is

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Bulky offence?

nova sequoia
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tbh, i think i might just drop this team

tender pecan
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There's also a couple odd choices

nova sequoia
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isn't working out.

tender pecan
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Use a sample if you're getting started

nova sequoia
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Ty.

tender pecan
gentle venture
# nova sequoia any other suggestions?

this gens offensive threats are too much and too varied so generally BO and stall are pretty limited in teambuilding so using a sample team is preffered

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too late lmao

nova sequoia
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dw, ty anyway :)

karmic lake
molten talon