#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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quick bluff
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reflect also supports the rest of the team, similar to how pex ran light screen in gen 8 sometimes iirc

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if you have a better idea for the role then cress please lmk but sun struggles to switch in to both the guys i mentioned and so i was trying to find a mon that could work

chilly basin
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https://pokepast.es/540093fe3d78f45c Hey, new guy here. I’ve been using this team for the past two days with legendary pokemon now in season 18 of ranked battles. I’m somewhat new to competitive so any critiques and suggestions are welcome! A little context, I kept losing to every single Calyrex shadow rider team so i saw that hisuian zoroark is inmune to astral barrage and can hit it with a shadow ball for big damage. Usually send out urshifu next to it so I can hit dark types who may threaten it. Flutter Mane for my fairy type and great stats, metagross for bulky physical attacker, and rayquaza because Tera normal extreme speed and gets rid of weather. Like I said prior I’m open to suggestions of tiny tweaks in moves or stat distribution to new pokemon altogether. Thank you again 🙂

spiral fable
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Your team is doubles Ubers

chilly basin
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Oh I apologize thanks for letting me know

gentle venture
ruby crest
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This thread only rates completed teams

gentle venture
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ok last member was ting lu

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should ı go add it or something

ruby crest
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redirect this to #comp-general

weary crypt
spiral fable
# weary crypt Add minior

Please do not suggest advice if you are not interested in giving serious advice nor experienced in the tier

elfin jungle
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Can I replace ninetails and make it some other type of ho or is veil ho the only type that exists

spiral fable
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If you want to swap out veil you need to change a few mons but yes there are other forms of ho

dusky kindle
spiral fable
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isn't that a doubles ubers team?

dusky kindle
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They said theyre laddering in game

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So either bss or vgc

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I guess it's vgc I'll correct

dusky kindle
spiral fable
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cres just feels like worse hatt on sun teams im ngl

gentle venture
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https://pokepast.es/7863f2e0753ffcd6 so new to comp the last slot was landarous as a paper check against raging bolt and goughing and general utility however it would get oneshot by a dragon pulse by raging bolt after a calm mind

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basically is the last slot could deal with goughing and raging bolt

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general advice could be good too

quick bluff
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i just feel like once gouging starts dancing it's very hard for sun to play around, idk

weary crypt
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Flamigo sweep

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Flamigo with dancer

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Win

dusky kindle
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Wait

dusky kindle
# gentle venture https://pokepast.es/7863f2e0753ffcd6 so new to comp the last slot was landarous ...

Yo so I can see that your team is basically semi stall with a lot of defensive / utility pokemon. This is going to give you good switch ins to most of the meta but you should also have a way to deal a lot of damage reliably. What I would suggest as a start is making kyurem choice specs with all special moves or dragon dance with all physical moves. You can get the sets off the smogon dex. This will help you practice alternating between tanking hits and doing damage as you progress to a win.

The other slots are ok. I don't think you need stone edge on ting lu with volcarona gone, change that for ruination. I would swap rocks and spikes on the two pokemon since Skarmory can sit on pokemon for a while and needs something to do, while ting lu already makes progress with ruination and whirlwind

fiery coral
frail gazelle
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Pex is the same as clefable

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Also kingambit doesn’t want Lorb, if you want power use black glasses

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Rotom wash doesn’t need lorb, I get it has pain split but just use lefties instead

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Also, you lack any hazard removal but you are not running bootspam

gentle venture
# dusky kindle Yo so I can see that your team is basically semi stall with a lot of defensive /...

thx for advice ı didnt run specs at first because blizzard do comparable damage and not being locked is pretty fine and the reason ı was running a mixed set was 100-125 BP stab move coming from 130 BST is not a joke and let me break super bulky walls like blissey and speed boost did let me outspeed enarmous and dragapult booster valiant is a problem but gking could force it out my biggest problem was clefable tbh and stone edge is there for tera flying taunt moon jumpscare

fiery coral
dusky kindle
gentle venture
dusky kindle
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no problem 🤝

silk prawn
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what team should i use with krokodile?

spiral fable
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Frankly krokodile isn't viable in general in SV OU

junior harness
tender pecan
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ig it could work on webs the best

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it wouldn't be good but it would be usable

spiral fable
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usable is frankly a stretch

tired arch
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I've been using this OU team for several months now with little to no changes: https://pokepast.es/0861f1d742a4ccf3. I'm interested to hear how I can improve it, particularly regarding my rapid spin user. While Cyclizar is a lower tier Pokemon, I can't seem to find another spinner with such a nice utility move pool that can also use assault vest. The dragon typing paired with regenerator makes them a very convenient pivot Pokemon as well, since Cyclizar's relatively fast speed means that I can usually knock off the Pokemon that enters before u-turning out, getting some decent chip damage. In short, while I feel Cyclizar is the weaker link, my experience with this team has made them seemingly irreplaceable.

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spiral fable
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ok well 4 of your mons are uu or below

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Like unfortunately this team is just unviable because you are using 4 UU or below mons, and these mons only have small niches/no niche at all in OU

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If you want to use even one of them you should be building them with a team of OU mons that appreciate their niche, not with other niche mons

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Furthermore, a lot of these sets are bad, such as speedy Skeledirge (which is supposed to be a tanky unaware wall), Cyclizar with full attack invest + body slam (when it should be running max hp speed with draco), or full spattack HGoodra

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I think it would be best if you scrap this team for now and use a sample team to learn what mons are meta and the common team structures of the tier, you can find them here

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!gen9ousamples

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tired arch
spiral fable
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I mean Great Tusk?

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There are a lot bigger issues with this team than just your Rapid Spinner

tired arch
# spiral fable I mean Great Tusk?

I have experimented with Great Tusk before, but unfortunately, their typing has too many weaknesses to switch in conveniently, and I already have two decent physical tanks with Skeledirge and Alomomola.

spiral fable
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It is, objectively, the best spinner

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Also it's not a physical tank? You'd probably make it Offensive Utility

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Frankly the issue is you are looking for a better Rapid Spin user but there is no Rapid Spin user that fits well on this team because it just isn't that good of a team

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No Spinner fits nicely because you have a lot of flaws on this team

tired arch
# spiral fable There are a lot bigger issues with this team than just your Rapid Spinner

To explain the logic behind some of these sets, the speed EVs on the Skeledirge are so that I can bait in and outspeed Kingambit, which is one of the biggest counters to the Latias, which is my late game sweeper. Goodra's lack of a choice specs along with the inclusion of earthquake allows them to do somewhat decent damage even after the use of draco meteor, which sometimes catches the occasional Heatran or Volcarona off guard. I can certainly try changing the EV distribution on the Cyclizar, perhaps to experiment with draco meteor and other special attacks, though their special bulk is what allows them to serve as a pivot Pokemon, since a lot of fire, grass, water, and electric attacks tend to be special.

spiral fable
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Ok you can optimize your teams all you want

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But in the end of the day you are running 4 niche-useless mons in OU

tired arch
spiral fable
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For example, this team gets 6-0ed by Roaring Moon, Darkrai, Waterpon, Kyurem, Raging Bolt, etc

spiral fable
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I'm sorry but if you post your team here you are posting it here with the knowledge that we will be optimizing it to the best of our abilities

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If you want to build around restrictions to your team, it's better to ask in another server

tired arch
# spiral fable

Sorry about that, I wasn't aware that there were rules. I'll go back to the drawing board then.

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If I may ask, what team do you typically use in the OU format?

spiral fable
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I don't play a lot right now, but I've been messing around with this (ngl kinda mid/bad) Double Screens team I built

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I wouldn't recommend you use it tho lol it's mid at best

tired arch
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I've seen a lot of these Pokemon used effectively before on the ladder. Thank you for sharing.

spiral fable
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A good place to find what mons are “best” in the tier are the viability rankings

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spiral fable
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If you visit each mons smogon page you can (usually) finds tips on what mons pair well with them and the common structures they’re on

tired arch
tender pecan
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the bar is on the floor but hey

gentle venture
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so uh is there any decent manual weather setters ı was thinking about running a mixed weather team mainly a sun team that could operate under rain if ı have a mirror matchup against another sun team

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moltres doesnt have bad stats can learn both sunny day and rain dance and STAB hurricane and overheat gives it good damage output without investing in its offense its good bulk and flame body is a plus too

tender pecan
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rain is a bit, eh rn

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ever since archaludon was axed it hasn't really been super good

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so idk whether the oppurtunity cost of running a mixed weather team over just a sun team is worth it

weak fulcrum
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@pulsar bronze quick team i made

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i really want to have a volt turn w/ alo cuz i really like that thing

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is this boots spammy enough or do i need more?

tender pecan
pulsar bronze
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other than that

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i like it

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use encore or low kick maybe

weak fulcrum
tender pecan
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plus it doesn't have much to fear from hazards if you have alo to wish pass to it

weak fulcrum
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alright

high pier
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and oger prolly wants knock considering im doing spikes offence

gentle venture
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https://pokepast.es/d512adc5c8ee9575 quick team ı made with the intention of being a mixed weather team its mainly a sun team that could operate in rain if the opponent too has a sun team or doesnt benefit from the rain ı did use volcanion instead of walking wake cause overlapping fairy weakness cant be good and my team benefits from its water absorb ability a lot

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open to any advice

fierce basin
# high pier https://pokepast.es/baa3fc05f134c9c4 idk if id want deo-s over samurott

6-0d by kyurem
I've played a lot of grassy terrain teams this gen, in my humble opinion they don't really need a suicide lead to operate but I guess you can keep it if you want it, or make it one of those sash dual status dragapults to help w kyurem. This also gives you something you can lead into glimmora without putting down t spike. Alternatively you could run rocky helmet earth power taunt lando that outpaces glimmora
Changes I would make for sure are hawlucha over ogerpon, and make tusk speed booster bulk/stabs/spin
You dont need full speed rillaboom, can invest some in HP for additional bulk, like 120 or even 176.
If you're gonna run ghold just give it a grassy seed you're already running broken terrain might aswell abuse it
updated paste https://pokepast.es/d6717b143f6a2e96
other options:
there's a lot of grassy terrain abusers you can fit on a team. Primarina, volc before it got banned, latias, hatt, gouging fire etc etc. Personally I don't like running just one seed since I feel like they're so broken. I would've put hatt on your team if you didn't have comfey, so if you ever give up on comfey consider sliding in hatt it's my favorite mon of this gen and especially w seed it's so broken, I will say your team feels REALLY weak to roaring moon, on the teams I play I generally at least can nuzzle it w hatt so I don't lose immediately but if it turns into a bird on your comfey you might get owned so keep that in mind
hope this helps, good luck have fun sorry if the rate isn't super explanatory I haven't done so for awhile lmk if you got follow up questions. The gholdengo spread I've given you deals with pult I believe.

high pier
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alr tysm

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btw doesnt ghold deal with kyurem or not

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idk how gen 9 works tbh

dusky kindle
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It can switch in once

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If it's faster

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So not really

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Just about what works in practice vs theory

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And you can only really tell that by playing

high pier
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oh

tender pecan
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Very few mons safely switch into kyurem

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It's a terrifying choice item user

abstract olive
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yo is there a website that people share their pokepastes?

spiral fable
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Not the chat to ask this

sly mauve
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wise knot
dusky kindle
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/2289794c1a233be8

your team is fine overall with 5 of the best offensive pokemon in the tier, my main question is do you need webs? Looking at your other pokemon they are already quite fast and strong in Valiant and Roaring Moon, you have no setup on Tusk and Gholdengo, and Raging Bolt isn't really a speed demon even with webs up. You could easily drop webs for something like glimmora and this team would instantly be better.

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If you do want to keep webs put nasty plot on gholdengo and bulk up on great tusk so you can go all in on HO while outspeeding stuff you normally wouldn't

sly mauve
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Raging bolt is there because of like thunderclap

dusky kindle
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but you already have booster valiant

sly mauve
dusky kindle
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of course but your team has a hyper offensive structure

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so ultimately what you will want to do is kill things as fast as possible

wise knot
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Idt removing webs is the right direction

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I would make a few changes but I'm not home rn

dusky kindle
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ok yeah as I said there are other ways to go if you want to keep webs

sly mauve
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Iron valient is mostly to remove mons that have setup, either by encoring them during setup or destiny bond if their setup is already done

dusky kindle
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just that most of your pokemon aren't using it to it's full advantage

wise knot
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Yeah I was gonna suggest changing ival set for better offensive synergy with moon

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I'll send a webs I made with ima when I get home and offer more input

sly mauve
sly mauve
wise knot
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20 minutes

wise knot
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as far as your team, I would actually try booster SpA Valiant and Taunt Bolt

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I'll make some edits and then send the paste and explain my changes

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https://pokepast.es/76aaab456b54ad93 so this is what I came up with trying to make minimal changes. The SpA Val and Taunt Bolt are focused on breaking SpD walls like Gking and Blissey. I changed spread on ghold and gave it fblast to nail gambit on the switch. Moon is taunt bc it's more dangerous for defensive teams (which you're targetting when building webs because webs carries offense matchup often). Moon spread comes from the exotic64 RMT here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/exotic-webs-2000-elo.3742066/#post-10090479. Tailor-made for webs. Finally I felt the team was too slow without booster speed val and I could have gone with zamazenta (which you should test) but I figured this team might appreciate the ground type. test tera ghost on the tusk to beat zamazenta too.

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sly mauve
dusky kindle
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It's for things like Blissey and Clodsire so they can't recover

grave ginkgo
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primal briar
frail gazelle
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Webs on sun is interesting but overall not that good because of wasted team slots, and you can easily slot in a chlorophyll user like Venusaur or Liligant for speed control

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In addition, I would highly recommend adding Walking Wake to your team. This is because it is such a strong wallbreaker that is flexible, you can choose protosynthesis to either boost SpA or speed. I would suggest replacing it with Gholdengo since Gholdengo doesn’t do much

sly mauve
frail gazelle
dusky kindle
# grave ginkgo https://pokepast.es/9386540662dcea9e is this goog

Poison tusk is fine imo it's a solid type for bulk up. My question is do you really need three grass types, I feel like with rillaboom on the team Ogerpon feels redundant, and doesn't help stacking up weaknesses to poison, flying, ice. Rillaboom already wallbreaks pretty nicely on the physical side so you might just want something faster to help with speed control alongside grassy glide. So maybe something like deoxys speed life orb

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dusky kindle
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Ogerpon I think

grave ginkgo
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ok

tardy oracle
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https://pokepast.es/4762db9f67bcb78b
Generally offensive, two special fat mons and tusk can switch in on phys attacks. Idk if scarf or band on meow is better, band just losses to +1 roaring moon. Gouging is more hard to position in a sweep scenario, but I’m probably just playing off chilly wrong. I do wanna hear y’all thoughts though

viscid willow
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what changes should I make to this team?

tardy oracle
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I’d personally run another choice on either bolt or gouging, and balloon on the other one. Sun teams get value from big numbers more than sustainability.

upper maple
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gentle venture
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ı didnt run walking cause overlapping fairy weakness didnt seem good

spiral fable
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Anyways frankly mixed weather teams aren't good

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Especially with manual weather setters, which are never viable in OU

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Not only do you have to waste a turn to set up weather (which can be exploited easily) half your team/moves are worse under one weather while the other half is worse in the other

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You actively undermine your own mons

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Sun and Rain teams are meant to be overwhelming offense, spamming offensive threat after offensive threat (with maybe one utility mon) to wear down the opponents check and bust through teams

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But your manual weather team can't do this because half of your team can't exert offensive pressure since they're actively being undermined by whatever weather is up right now

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You also still lose the mirror matchup into proper weather teams because they destroy manual setters and then are free to run you over with the rest of their team

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Once again, you seem new to mons, so I would recommend usinga sample team and laddering first to get a good grasp of common team cores and structures, link here

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!gen9ousamples

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upper maple
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Maybe not

spiral fable
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I'm not good with balance teams, wait for another rater to come pick it up

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And you don't have to bump it its right there

gentle venture
spiral fable
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You would have to change more than just that, but yes going to a pure weather team would be better

viscid willow
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Ik I posted it earlier but it got buried so

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what should I change here?

spiral fable
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Tran on sun is bad

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Hlilligant without victory dance is also bad

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Not a fan of gouging being the bulky set here since you’ll waste a few turns setting up

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And you always need flip turn on specs Wake

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I would make gouging banded raging fury with attack booster, make hlligant victory dance with Tera ice/fighting, and swap heatran for eject button hatterene

eternal star
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accidentally posted this in vgc rates yesterday, i meant to post it here

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eternal star
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oh

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that exists?

jagged shore
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Lame team tbh its really hard to be creative sometimes cant blame me

primal briar
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dusky kindle
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Also AV Samurott is not something I'd consider very good in the current meta

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Couple directions you could go if you want more offense or more defense but you are kind of in an awkward middle spot right now

dusky kindle
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You could also do like offensive torkoal with overheat or eruption lol

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If you just want a funny nuke button

dusky kindle
eternal star
dusky kindle
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well which way would you like? offensive or more bulky/balanced?

eternal star
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it feels a bit bulky/balanced

dusky kindle
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Hmm then what I woudl do is change gholdengo for Corviknight and Samurott for Great Tusk

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Stealth Rock tusk and Defog Corviknight

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with uturn

eternal star
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i really. REALLY wanna keep the samurott

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can we do that

dusky kindle
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sure

eternal star
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that was kinda the point of why i called the team "i love samurott" y'know

dusky kindle
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he is usally a more offensive guy but if you really want to go balanced with it then i would say make it like boots sd aqua cutter ceaseless edge sucker punch

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and then instead of corviknight take skarmory for a better physical wall

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or physdef gliscor

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but yeah you want some removal so hmm

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can do phsydef corviknight with defog

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or just rapid spin utlity tusk

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and just rely on gambit for a steel

eternal star
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yeah i was thinking you were gonna cycle back around to the corviknight

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oh yeah i AM lacking a ground type aren't i

dusky kindle
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definitely good to have vs raging bolt and others

eternal star
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what if we did a more aggressive team

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just so i can try and see how each feels

dusky kindle
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Yeah then you can do offensive tusk + sash Samurott and swap Slowking for something like Scarf Darkrai with U-turn

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or the expert belt set that is popular right now

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or even treads over tusk

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for Valiant and friends

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theres a lot of options depending on what you want to keep

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samurott is a great pokemon that can support all sorts of threats

upper maple
thin prairie
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tender pecan
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venoshock stall is certainly

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unique

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thing is most paradox mons don't lend themselves very well to stall due to the nature of their abilities

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some can be pretty tanky but moth isn't one of them

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hydrapple has a small niche in the tier but I'm not sure why you have rain dance and sunny day on it

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and uhhh

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poison sting clod

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that is gonna be doing NOTHING

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poison jab is right there

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this is overall kinda whack I'm sorry

dusky kindle
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I really don't think keldeo is any good in the current meta, resisting sucker isn't worth much when you give up good coverage against dragons and no ability to boost stats with weather or booster energy. Plus vacuum wave doesn't do much outside of kingambit

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Primarina would also be better

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Otherwise team is fine, I do think hazard stack balances like this are not that good currently because it takes a while to get up the hazards and other offenses out pace you for example gouging fire can be a problem, but if you play smart with toxic and Dragapult you will be ok

upper maple
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Mmm

primal briar
dusky kindle
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Walking Wake is a nuke so getting a slow volt switch to bring it in safely is really useful

upper maple
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upper maple
ruby crest
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taunt so you become a nuissance against fat, the things u need to hit with bb are taken care of, psyshock gives u extra way vs fat doesnt force ival to switch

upper maple
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Hm ok

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Thanks

sly mauve
tender pecan
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I mean sure but like

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there's a lot more than just that

sly mauve
# thin prairie https://pokepast.es/9717a0fe5613794b did i burn the food

it could be useable with a few changes:
Hydrapple is useable but change its set. 3 attacks(pollen puff, giga drain, body press) + recover with max defense is best on stall, you also want tera steel on it
IDT you need 2 tspikers here, blissey is pretty much needed on stall so you want to replace it with that
replace corv with dozo here, dozo is essential on stall this gen, you also dont want defog for removing your own hazards and you dont need it for your team cause youre already bootspam + knock absorber
Make Iron Moth Boots, and you could probably sub out energyball/dgleam for tspikes, swap fiery dance for flamethrower, you value the damage more than the spa raise here on stall
Glisc should be Knock Pjab/EQ Protect spikes here
IDRT you need toxic AND TSpikes on glowking, subbing toxic out for sludge bomb as a way of damage could be good.

sly mauve
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alot of the time you value the pp and no random rocky helm chip over pure damage on stall

thin prairie
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thin prairie
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whyd it ping everyone again

spiral fable
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Uh

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Frankly that team isn’t viable

thin prairie
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nuh uh

spiral fable
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Ogerpon destroys you

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Moth is has no niche in stall unless you’re quacc and certified insane

sly mauve
spiral fable
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Gking is mid at best

spiral fable
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And have little way to hit it back

sly mauve
thin prairie
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idea was to just stall and slowly toxic opponent, then every once in a while slow pivot and venoshock to hopefully land a kill

spiral fable
tranquil niche
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sd on switch in

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pr

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live pollen

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pr again kills

sly mauve
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ok but theres still tera dozo

spiral fable
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...with no way to hit it

tranquil niche
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Tera dozo works against Wellspring but the issue is you sacrifice your tera and something like psyshock ghold can destroy you

spiral fable
sly mauve
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oh they arent running avalanche or BP

spiral fable
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It has waterfall as only attacking move

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Look frankly stall just cannot experiemnt much this gen

sly mauve
tranquil niche
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I mean I've had games where my tera body press dozo loses against wellspring

spiral fable
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That's the unfortunate truth

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thin prairie
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in my mind 70% chance its ass

spiral fable
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No wish passer really sucks

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Moth has like 0 niche

tranquil niche
spiral fable
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You get crumpled by any HO team packing Moon, especially if its taunt

tranquil niche
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mola is must have on stall

spiral fable
thin prairie
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mola over gking tbh

tranquil niche
spiral fable
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Also tspikes on stall is a no go this gen

thin prairie
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pjab over toxic on my gliscor kinda wack tbh

spiral fable
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Gking is a debatebly S tier mon and you really do not want something that prominent running around eating your tspikes

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Pjab is fine honestly hitting hatt is nice and not losing straight up to taunt is also nice

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But your team has too many flaws in general to work

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You drop a lot of staples for replacements that just can't measure up

tranquil niche
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would stall this gen work that well in general anyways

spiral fable
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Yes

tranquil niche
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I've tried it

thin prairie
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ye

spiral fable
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Stall is certainly still usable

tranquil niche
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maybe I'm using it wrong

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I keep losing to wellspring

spiral fable
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There is some innovation with sets like Sticky Barb Clef with Ice Beam to beat threats like RMoon and SD Gliscor

thin prairie
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gen 9 is one of the least archetype dominated gens ive ever seen

spiral fable
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well yeah cuz the meta keeps fluctuating

clear sentinel
keen tulip
jagged shore
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Just asking

jagged shore
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Was thinking swords dance weavile

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To deal with certain mons

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Or should I go for a bulky support switch in

spiral fable
jagged shore
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kk

jagged shore
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because I dont like having to pray for a 10% everytime 😭

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20%*

spiral fable
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Clodsire only fits on bulky balance or stall

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There’s not a lot of synergy between the mons

jagged shore
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what evs would an offensive torkoal be??

spiral fable
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You can try to make it webs? By dropping corv clod and deo s for ribombee psyshock gholdengo and rmoon + making Waterpon SD

spiral fable
jagged shore
spiral fable
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Bad

jagged shore
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💀

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ill stay with what i got then

spiral fable
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Yeah full sun is fine

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Just drop ribombee make some moveset changes and swap on wake+hatt you’re good to go

jagged shore
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whats better flip turn or dragon pulse for wake

spiral fable
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Pivot moves are insane for mons

jagged shore
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alr

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I need to stop using walking wake last in matches

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I end up wasting him

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and just giving him to them for free

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anyway thanks

clear sentinel
reef bay
dusky kindle
# clear sentinel Bump

This is a mostly solid team, I think you have some good defensive coverage and Raging Bolt specs is a fun breaker alongside Weavile. You have a variety of status on the team which makes me wonder if you really need all 3, probably just a minor optimization though. Thunder wave is definitely key for darkrai switch ins on slowking, wisp is always key on pult, and toxic is really good right now as well. I do think with 3 tera waters you probably could switch one of those, maybe a grass resist for stuff like rillaboom could be good (ex: steel Clefable).

dusky kindle
# reef bay Can you give me some ideas to improve this team? I think this team is fine but i...

Not sure how attached to each individual pokemon you are but Meow definitely looks like your weakest link. Scarf meow is just so weak (doesnt even kill valiant) and especially not needed when you have webs. If you want a physical dark attacker Samurott-H can be good and very threatening with webs up. Can even use flip turn for pivoting and knock off. Gliscor kind of invites rapid spin as well so it kind of kills your webs momentum, and you can't exactly switch from Gliscor into Dragapult against great tusk. Landorus-t would be an easy switch letting you keep up momentum and gives rocks also, plus helps against webs number one opp Cinderace. If you want to go even more offensive consider primarina over Slowking-G or even Hoopa-U.

reef bay
dusky kindle
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And it act as a revenge sweeper as well

dusky kindle
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ehh I like specs pult on webs its kind of sick and unexpectedly strong.

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though i would use clear body in case you get court changed

reef bay
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Clear body can block court change?

dusky kindle
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No but you dont get speed dropped by the webs

reef bay
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Oh right

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I decided to make a webs team with Manaphy

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Any tips?

tender pecan
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Hmmm maybe change great tusk's ev spread

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You can afford a bit more attack investment with webs up

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Especially cause you have rapid spin

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You can still have it be booster speed but some extra firepower doesn't hurt cause webs is meant to facilitate offence

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Otherwise I don't see any glaring weaknesses

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Idk how good manaphy is rn tho cause I've never used it

spiral fable
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Please don't comment if you don't know the metagame well

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Tusk's EV spread cannot be touched as minimum invest without a negative attack nature barely hits 298 (299 with the 4 attack), while full invest into speed barely hits 300

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I'm not sure what's up with the Rmoon EVs, if you have a reason behind them lmk but otherwise I would just run 252 252 jolly/adamant

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I would recommend Psyshock Shadow Ball ghold over Hex Twave to bette rthe stall matchup, but Twave isn't bad either

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(into non stall teams, twave blanks into stall teams)

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https://pokepast.es/2d77f442e93718f4 so ı could use some general advice for this team but my main question is dragapult slot ım kinda unsure about that slot ı did think about scarf enarmaus dragapult darkrai and grassy seed gholdengo all of them have cons and pros but ım warmer to darkrai or dragapult tbh

tender pecan
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Didn't know you needed those evs to do so

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Tusk should outspeed most relevant targets with webs up, aside from Lando which can be gotten around with by rapid spin

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A balance team i built. I dont think i like the leftovers roaring moon but thats the team right now

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I'm not sure lefties roaring is a real set

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it could be

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uhhh

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I prefer tera grass on banded rilla

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just in case you need to nuke something with wood hammer

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otherwise this looks alright but I'm not sure if that roaring set is like

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a thing

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maybe make raging bolt a cm set instead so you have firepower that isn't a choice user

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I don’t know if this is the place to ask, but which samples are still good after the Volcarona ban?

gentle venture
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I wanna know which ones are still good

tiny goblet
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so
I'm tryna build a team for gen 9 OU rn
please advise

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Remove Toxapex immediately

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You want to make an HO team with lead Deoxys, don’t use defensive walls

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Also this is not the place to send incomplete teams

tiny goblet
gentle venture
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👌

tiny goblet
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I had kinda thought of Toxapex as wall breaker tbh

gentle venture
tiny goblet
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fair enough

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old team, what changes do i need to make for it to be viable?

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gentle venture
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Exactly

gentle venture
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and moltres can deal with most spinblockers pretty well except thunderbolt gholdengo

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This team is absolutly an experiment i was trying out btw

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I wanted to see id moltres as a spin punisher was anything good

gentle venture
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(and it hits corvi hard)

delicate pike
gentle venture
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I mean like its not like Im going anywhere

keen tulip
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I did all the suggestions and got rid of cerulege

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I have won but at what cost

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You don’t have any hazard setters but you want to run Moltres as a spin blocker?

delicate pike
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Wait

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You're right

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Oh my God i feel stupid my bad

spiral fable
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Also moltres is unfortunately a really bad spin blocker

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Since you get knocked by tusk and then become useless

delicate pike
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Hmm okok

spiral fable
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Scarf rmoon isn’t good set, neither is specs raging bolt

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Rmoon’s power comes from the fact it can set up and then blow holes with Acro + Knock

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Raging Bolt’s best move, Thunderclap, is completely nullified by Specs because if they realize that you’re running specs Thunderclap is a liability

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You also have three choiced mons on your team which is really pushing it, no hazard setters but then two hazard remover punishers (ghold and moltres), no Grassy Glide on Rillaboom? The gterrain also directly hurts Rmoon

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I don’t really see a lot of synergy between these mons, nor a clear team structure

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Your defensive core is fragile and can’t handle most set up sweepers, while your offensive core are all choiced and thus easy to play around

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Unfortunately I don’t think this team works, I would recommend scrapping it and taking a sample team for now

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Specs Bolt is cheeks unless it’s on sun

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And even on sun it’s mid at best

ruby crest
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team is unsalvageable sadly since it’s random mons slapped together

gentle venture
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gentle venture
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and it can creates a defensive core kinda

spiral fable
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Rillaboom is not a defensive mon

ruby crest
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No ground immunity is balls yeah

gentle venture
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anyways ı was thinking about darkrai instead of dragapult cause ı have overlapping ice weakness

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and dragapult is kinda awkard on this team

ruby crest
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Dragapult is fine switching darkrai doesn’t improve anything fwiw, since u struggle vs grounds and also zama mu is a bit annoying since ur main answer is “gking”

gentle venture
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okay so while ı was adding rila ı wanted to break earthquakes power since most of my teaam is weak to that and horn leech ogerpon is nuts headlong rush and earth power exists tho there is that

ruby crest
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hardly really matters given how monstrous like tusk have ice spinner or hlr, Gliscor can toxic, u turn, knock or set up hazards, and lando been favoring ep more

gentle venture
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I mean that doesn’t really improve it

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you still have no means on switching in safely

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Even then pult fits here a lot better honestly

gentle venture
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so what should ı do

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ı kinda built this team with weakened earthquake in mind tbh lol

ruby crest
gentle venture
gentle venture
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https://pokepast.es/11686544944c5adc @gentle venture , decided to make rilla into a corv gives u a ground immunity another pivot, and checks a bunch of other annoying stuff like moon, ogerpon, decided to change ogerpon-w for primarina maintains being a bulky water wincon while providing better answer for zama, weavile, gouger also good against fat thanks to psychic noise

gentle venture
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oh Woops great tusk is meant to be Tera steel

gentle venture
ruby crest
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Also you can make this fatter tusk with max hp instead of attack since dengo are becoming bulky to live hlr, also improved itself being able to come in against gambit

gentle venture
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by the way is earth power lando that popular ı dont see much tbh

ruby crest
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It is

gentle venture
ruby crest
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No problemo

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I would see be mindful against bolt since ur reliable answer is gking so keep it healthy against it and cripple it with toxic before it clicks buttons and win

gentle venture
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first time i made a team

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# median pivot https://pokepast.es/bd8d442e1fa88015

for some reason i thought i rated this, but turns out i never sent it here, https://pokepast.es/341e236b86623ec6, id corv is honestly a pretty mid set on corv like the momentum ability it has in particular and hitting the things u want with body press and brave bird, defog isn't really necessary here since this wants to be boots spam more, serp is honestly kinda whatever mon rn gking patches a few holes this team lacked in such as iron val, enam, soft checks opposing zama, and a whole slew of special attackers, deciding to make this rocks garg to compensate of this being hstack boots, and changed maushold for roar zama last to give u more endurance vs gambit and other stuff while being a powerful breaker itself for the team

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# fallow garden any1?

Ok so main thing is that sleep is banned so amoongus has gone from solid pick to extremely niche. Slowking-Galar is the main special defensive poison now so that's probably what you want there. Sub dragapult is pretty mid esp with psychic noise primarina hanging around, rocks + spin tusk is pretty bad cause you get walled by gliscor dragonite and others. I would recommend just dropping rocks. You're also a bit weak to weavile and ogerpon since specs enamorus isn't the fastest. Maybe make that scarf or booster valiant. Otherwise should be ok to start with that

dusky kindle
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No real issue I just find it pulling less weight and would prefer something that can aid in dealing with wake

dusky kindle
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Ok, how about something like calm mind primarina with grassy seed? Would help deter ice type attacks from tusk and weavile while also naturally checking wake.

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Also your gouging fire moveset is just pretty lackluster imo

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It might do more with a more offensive set or at least one with more attacking moves

reef token
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Yeah I made the team a while ago before Tran was super popular

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do you think lando would work instead of tusk? for uturn

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though id have to drop spin for defog

dusky kindle
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I would keep tusk

fallow garden
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alright

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ty

dusky kindle
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That time is decent enough to ladder with, I would swap toxic for twave on glowking

fallow garden
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alright

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Yeah I just thought of it for speed plus it is still a good weavile check

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And it likes the recovery from terrain as well

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I could try it out

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I’ll test them both

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Hows this,uturn bo team

frail gazelle
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Lando-T fits well here, but you can maybe also try corviknight or glowking

unreal plaza
frail gazelle
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Over gliscor

spiral fable
frail gazelle
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I think they want to make a VoltTurn BO

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You have Ghold but then all the hazards you have are rocks, you have Boots meow which really only fits on Hstack balance teams (and even then its kinda mid)

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# unreal plaza https://pokepast.es/615a8a8121b464ff

team is generally solid only mons that standout fr are meow and dengo, meow only fits on hstack balance, and dengo is just random here, would recommend making this boots roar zama, bulky sd gambit, spdef gliscor could honestly ditch sr and do quake knock u turn, replace meow with bulky sd gambit, make this wisp pult, make this offensive cinderace not bulky (set has been kinda dead since like dlc 1), and replace dengo with gking

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ddance kyurem is usually best with glowking to set snow for it

primal briar
tender pecan
tender pecan
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lower poison chance but its a bit stronger

primal briar
tender pecan
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you could maybe fit mortal spin onto it as well

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to check other spike setting leads

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or hazard leads in general

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since its a suicide lead idrk how much you need power gem

primal briar
smoky folio
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isnt ho=no pivoting

tender pecan
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you can have pivots on ho

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but glowking doesn't fit on ho you're right

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uhhh

smoky folio
tender pecan
# smoky folio https://pokepast.es/c95e573759b4b38b

you can wait till a rater gets here both of you but for this team if you do wanna keep using diancie I'm not sure how good it is as a bulky lead. you get shut down by all the taunt mons like lando and deo speed

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and then lando sort of kills you lol

smoky folio
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REALLY

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just like the title, i want to try using diancie

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i mean its kinda bulky

tender pecan
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it is pretty bulky tbf

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but its slow and has a quad steel weakness which when the best pokemon in the format is steel

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that kinda sucks

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idk if you can maybe fit diancie as one of your sweepers instead of your lead because thats what I think is best if you wanna use it

smoky folio
tender pecan
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true

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but for slower attackers on Ho screens support is nice

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up to you in the end

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I'd wait for a rater lol

smoky folio
tender pecan
primal briar
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its not bad here but I don't like how reliant you are on tera with it

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otherwise it can't set up

primal briar
tender pecan
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what do I swap it with?

primal briar
tender pecan
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true but it comes with the plus side of being insanely unpredictable

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the nice thing about valiant is that it has so many viable sets

primal briar
tender pecan
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I was referring to special and physical sets

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choice sets are usable too but not on HO

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whilst its true that you have a liability with booster energy, you don't really intend to switch out once you send it in

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its too frail to come in repeatedly so you kind of send it in, press big buttons, hopefully take out 2 for 1

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but what booster set idk up to you

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I prefer swords dance but since you're swapping out a special attacker the cm set is fine too

smoky folio
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now?

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i gave up with diancie

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and slotted knockoff on waterpon

tender pecan
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I like this

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this seems pretty standard

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maybe it could use some ironing out here and there but I wouldn't be the one to spot it lol

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try it out, see if you have any bad matchups

smoky folio
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i usually jsut plotted random shit to cover one mon weakness

tender pecan
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standard means its decent lol

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nothing outta whack this is just pretty standard HO

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if you want better feedback a rater will come eventually

smoky folio
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lol thanks

dusky kindle
# smoky folio https://pokepast.es/a8ea4b7cbf7e3039

Couple things I see here first lead deoxys uses an offensive item more than sash usually this gen. Also since you have spin on tusk you really don't need taunt, just put on knock instead.

Defence evs on moth will do literally nothing, I'd make those hp. And consider adding sub over one of the last two attacks

You don't have anything for Dragapult with wisp really apart from deoxys so I would consider tera fairy on moth also just as an emergency button

I think scale shot is a bit of a noob trap on DD since you open yourself up to priority answers even more than normal. Consider like dragon claw instead

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Or even just freeze dry for the odd dondozo

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dusky kindle
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ohh gotcha

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surely you have to bge tera fairy

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for that

fierce basin
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It does look nonsensical but it's real

dusky kindle
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hmm i guess so

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thats with no black glasses tho

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wild

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I'm curious to see how this plays, but it reminds me of some teams Storm Zone likes to make. I think I would drop skarm for something more offensive and make it Flame Body Heatran. The skarm replacement should ideally be something good into kingambit/roaring moon

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I'll come up with an edit

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yes

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strong rn

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no volc to worry about

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I’m aware just the paste has it as flash fire

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oh my b

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Iron Moth HO

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Aren't three Knock Off users overkill without spikes? I also have no ground immunity.

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I think I might go Air Balloon Tran because of that

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poison gives u useful resistance like grass fairy and fighting which is good for stuff like zama iron Val and reg ogerpon resistance while still making u immune to toxic

upper maple
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Mmm alright

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ghost is a pretty good offensive typing tbf but is there something you're trying to hit in particular

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this ain't a critique or anything I'm genuinely curious lol

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upper maple
# wise knot Glowking

Btw, I've changed Tusk to have flare over knock since I have 3 knock off users without spikes, and I put an air balloon on Heatran because I have no ground immunity.

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it can't ohko AV glowking 😔

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team isn’t working for me though.

spiral fable
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There are a few things I would change tho

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If you're running tera dark gambit you have to have kowtow, drop iron head

nova sequoia
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alright

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do you mind recommending a good team?

spiral fable
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What's the reason behind the evs on manaphy?

spiral fable
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If you just want a good team, samples are still solid

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!gen9ousamples

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thanks! i’ll have a look

upper maple
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why are you running high horsepower on tusk 💀

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your team is really weak on the physical defense side

upper maple
spiral fable
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yes i know, im saying at that point you might as well just swap tusk out foranother rocker

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this team gets destroyed by rmoon

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struggles hard into waterpon as well

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I'm really not a fan of Bulky Gouging, I don't think it's very good in general anymore

upper maple
spiral fable
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yeah i think that would be better

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i would also drop either gking or primarina for status pult

upper maple
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Hm

spiral fable
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I think IDBP Roar Zama would be better here over Gouging but that's up to you

spiral fable
upper maple
spiral fable
# upper maple Why

Patches up your physical side while still offering a strong offensive threat

upper maple
spiral fable
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I don't think you need to go AV Gking, normal works fine especially since Volc is gone now

nova sequoia
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i've edited a sample team slightly, is this good?

spiral fable
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i would not recommend editing sample teams

nova sequoia
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it was only the prim

spiral fable
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still wouldnt recommend it

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prim is surf psychic noise for a reason

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also this is bo not ho

nova sequoia
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ah

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it was surf moonblast boots i think

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i'll stick to the sample, thanks.

upper maple
spiral fable
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you can drop roar with zama if you feel sub is better btw

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(if you want a more offensive zama)

upper maple
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Ok I'll consider it

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nah twave does the same

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paralyzing them is enough of a cripple

upper maple
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Alright then

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i’ve gotten a lot of success with this team in low ladder, but i feel like it’s having a bit of an identity crisis. Any tips?

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Bot pinging 3 times is crazy

fierce basin
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What happened to the bot

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ruby crest
green citrus
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Somebody tell the bot To Shut The Fuck Yp

ruby crest
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no

tender pecan
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Chatot lost its mind a bit it seems

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going a bit silly

fierce basin
# nova sequoia i’ve gotten a lot of success with this team in low ladder, but i feel like it’s ...

hi,
I see what you mean by the team having an identity crisis, as you have some pokemon that wouldn't normally be found on webs, and webs are a pretty much all in playstyle.
First off, you should make dirge a gholdengo so that you can block defog as well as be more of an offensive threat/presence, as this dirge isn't really outspeeding anything under webs. either nasty plot or t wave if you don't want to lose the utility dirge was providing you. Also, you have no torch song on your dirge set which feels like a bad move to drop.
Primarina also has the same issue of not outspeeding anything under webs, slotting something like ogerpon if you want to keep a water type or something like raging bolt if you want to keep a special attacker makes more sense. Raging bolt might not seem much faster than prim but under webs it can outspeed guys like valiant/moon with the proper investment, as well as being a lot more immediately threatening. I'm making it a waterpon in the updated paste but let me know if you want a bolt set instead
Instead of dragonite, I like something like taunt roaring moon to break holes in the team for gambit. You can always mess around with the fourth move slot w eq for gambits (or brick break for gambits on a balloon) feels not necessary though because you have bulk up tusk
I'm changing your ribombee spread to a more defensive one so that you can live triple axel from lead weavile. I'm replacing your psychic with psychic noise, lets you troll gliscor a bit as well as killing the iron moth instantly if they choose to sub. Also making it tera steel to block spin from glimm
making tusk tera poison to flip type matchups
updated paste: https://pokepast.es/c59bd55e704bea3b
other options:
bolt over waterpon as previously mentioned
plot offensive ghold over the utility spread I gave you
trailblaze over power whip on waterpon so you can get speed up on a sack to outspeed guys like boots pult
hope this helps, good luck and have fun

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a side note, you say you were testing the team but then you say the dragonite isnt in the paste because you forgot to change it, but this doesn't apply if you just click upload to pokepaste at the bottom of your team in the showdown teambuilder. Less work than putting it in pokepaste manually imo

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actually im editing it to make the prim slot bolt but again it can go either pon or bolt

nova sequoia
fierce basin
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oh gotcha

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hope it helps, I haven't played for a bit so maybe a non larper will correct me on smth

nova sequoia
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poor Raging Bolt

fierce basin
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mb i copy pasted the spreads to get them so it took the names

nova sequoia
ruby crest
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it’s common to see over shared type weakness in ho

fierce basin
nova sequoia
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thanks!

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replace it was bolt, right?

fierce basin
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i panicked because I felt like I gave you too many physical guys but dozo isn't walling this team between taunt roaring moon and wellspring

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so it's fine

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yeah replace it w bolt

nova sequoia
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tyvm

nova sequoia
fierce basin
nova sequoia
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dw

fierce basin
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At least I wrote it clueless

tender pecan
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https://pokepast.es/a0d7c15cebfb0e81 spikes stack balance, I think gliscor would fit better somewhere here but I'm not sure who to replace, I also might need a bit of speed control since I struggle a bit with darkrai

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is weavile faster than meow? maybe it'll be better here

dusky kindle
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Weavile is faster yes and better overall imo

warm sun
dusky kindle
tender pecan
dusky kindle
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Weavile will add the knock pressure

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If you want a second knock off user maybe darkrai would be good to lure special walls

tender pecan
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would glisc work in place of skarm

dusky kindle
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It could yeah

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If you do that I would switch zama to iron defence

tender pecan
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hmm ok, btw is weavile 4 attacks or 3+ sd ik sd was used last gen but seems to lack setup oppurtunity this gen

nova sequoia
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i might swap moon with bolt

ruby crest
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You want to keep moon tbh

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Helps vs fat for a lot of ho teams a huge staple in a lot of them as well

tender pecan
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moon should be able to chunk zama with acrobatics

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usually

fierce basin
nova sequoia
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alright, thanks. I've tried replacing moon with bolt

fierce basin
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Ghold spread isn't 2 hit koed by crunch from zama

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I wouldn't replace moon

nova sequoia
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why not? he hasn't been much use to me yet.

ruby crest
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he doesn’t do much but also does a lot

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It’s usually a huge staple on ho for the huge breaking prowess and also good at shutting against fat stuff

nova sequoia
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Sorry for messing you around.

fierce basin
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Try picking up a bulky offense or balance team from the samples

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!sampleteams

nova sequoia
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thanks!

fierce basin
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!svou

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Uh

nova sequoia
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I might try the ice spam BO team

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looks fun.

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jesus, is 5/6 mons having boots alright...?

ruby crest
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Yes

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Boots spam is normal

nova sequoia
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this team is acc fun-

kind trail
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Hi everyone, I'm just getting back into OU this gen and am struggling to break 1500 with this team despite having gotten teams over 1900 before -- could someone point out some ways I could improve around the Ttar/Excadrill sand core?

https://pokepast.es/d3478a2c4f26baf8

Rillaboom does work, and Iron Boulder has some great sweeps, but it feels like everyone on the team could be more consistent. Know part of it is that sand just isn't as good anymore but wanna make it work haha

high meteor
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im quite new to the game

ruby crest
viral sableBOT
high meteor
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i have used alot of sample teams but im still relitively new

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i've been playing for like 4 months

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and if possible who should i switch out

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the only thing i want to keep is toxicitricty

ruby crest
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Be familiar with learning the meta use the viability rankings

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Toxtricift is not good in ou

high meteor
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what is it good in?

ruby crest
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Struggled with. Lot of common stuff like fat ground gking and the prominence of ghost

ruby crest
high meteor
high meteor
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thank you !!!!!!!!

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kind trail
upper maple
gleaming edge
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gleaming edge
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having no priority or strong immediate attacker could be annoying tho

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would appreciate some help with the team

gleaming edge
dusky kindle
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Using hydreigon is very much going to make any sv player ask why you aren't using darkrai instead, if you want to use him I think you have to lean into the advantages such as immediate power (Draco meteor) or mixed (superpower)

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Other than that team is not bad, meow is pretty outclassed by weavile apart from U-turn but it's not that different

gleaming edge
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Was trying to lean into its levitate and bulk advantage over darkrai for letting it fit better into a balance team, but you might be right in darkrai still outclassing it

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hydre does have an easier time checking heatran with earth power and garganacl with sub+nasty , which this team otherwise might struggles alot into

gleaming edge
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superpower would have been cool

kind trail
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contrary enamorus could be interesting?

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altho idk my current team with contrary enamorus is cheeks

dusky kindle
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It's hydrover

kind trail
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I think your link isn't working

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...though i don't know what you're linking to in the first place

brisk cedar
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It is a working link

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It just links here

spiral fable
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o

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huh, wack

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delicate shale
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delicate shale
kind trail
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getting a lot of feedback lol

upper maple
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What are we supposed to provide feedback on?

kind trail
gusty crypt
upper maple
dusky kindle
# delicate shale I have decided to cook: https://pokepast.es/5098a519022c2222

Decent squad, trapper volcanion plus bolt is good. I feel like you could add more offense if you want, change corv to skarm and add spikes then switch out clef for something more offensive like valiant. You already have solid physical answers to most things and volc can be a backup ogerpon switch in so you don't need both barb clef and corv

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Or another fairy like primarina

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upper maple
shrewd trench
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Oh I picked the wrong move

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I'm dumb

spiral fable
dusky kindle
tender pecan
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The only thing meow hits better is opposing primarina which isn't worth losing the power on the other moves imo, plus ice shard would really help this team as a backup check to stuff like Raging Bolt, Ogerpon, and Rillaboom

tender pecan
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weavile is faster which makes a lot of difference, and it has better stabs

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oh wait weavile has ice shard forgot lol

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ok meow has stronger priority

dusky kindle
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Plus protean nerf hurts meow since if you change moves the second one will be weak

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Whereas weavile can knock then axel and both have stab

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Also sd

tender pecan
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thats true

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idk how much sd is used tho

dusky kindle
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Only other thing id use meow for is to hit dondozo but this team handles him fine

upper maple
nova sequoia
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feels like a very clunky team to me, any tips?

nova sequoia
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pretty enjoyable team for me though.

tender pecan
nova sequoia
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not sure, i was lacking a special wall

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kinda had to fill a few gaps, any suggestions for anything to replace her?

dusky kindle
dusky kindle
# nova sequoia https://pokepast.es/1319bb67ebb0d493

If you are going for bulky offense then blissey should go in favor of assault vest primarina or hatterene, also iron treads is more of a hyper offense pokemon especially with a set like yours. I'd try great tusk instead and just do rocks no spin

nova sequoia
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alrighty, thanks

dusky kindle
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Hatterene would be fun to at least deter hazards and you have things like kyurem to threaten common Spikers

nova sequoia
dusky kindle
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If youre not gonna do av hat then put boots or rocky helmet or smth imo

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And you should pick one of rocks or spin on tusk not both

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gleaming edge
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(sorry if this would be considered repost)

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got feedback that meow was weak so switched it out for scizor which i think fits better here (loving the strong prio with knock off and cleanup potential)

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and zam just felt better when testing, even tho in the end i lost the spike stacking aspect of the team by losing skarm

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old team felt very weak vs offense so maybe this one works better overall?

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more worried about if i have the tools to deal with the stall matchup now but havent gotten to try that out yet

rough ibex
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Super fun team I broke 1900 with a variation of it a little ago

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What do y'all think?

kind trail
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why specs pelipper? very cool team

rough ibex
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It nukes that's why

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Hydro always kills gholdengo

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Also gambit

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Ohko

kind trail
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ah got it, cool bait!

rough ibex
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Thx

spiral fable
shy garden
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https://pokepast.es/d7db2a2cbfdf90ae - I made this while high last night because I wanted to use Lokix as I never have. It's not great but I am struggling to focus on this team and edit it. Can I get some suggestions here? It's obviously a bootspam hyper pivot team with the desire to bring out Lokix as much as I can. I initially want to fit zamazenta in here (perhaps even muscle banded) but that's not mandatory

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Will check back in a sec. Idk why I can't think of the edits to the team. I think I went in 2 different directions and then got annoyed with it. I havent gotten to test it much at all as the servers went down obviously, so I might be tinkering

dusky kindle
shy garden
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hm thats actually fair

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Cinderace might be much more legit on this team too

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gives me a fire

dusky kindle
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Yeah would definitely help pressure steel types

shy garden
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thats why I was thinking of Zam, that and Weavile

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But Cinder helps keep more pivots and does both

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so

dusky kindle
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Anything with porygon2 is goated

shy garden
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^ certified hood fact.

dusky kindle
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I've definitely lost to specs pelipper under tr before idk if it was you tho lol

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Shit slaps

shy garden
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Other than Meow for Cinder, any glaring problems?

dusky kindle
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Nah

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You may want something to lure Lando otherwise you're taking a lot of helmet damage

shy garden
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hmm true

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Id have to double knock

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well Clef knock is at least decent

tender pecan
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also pretty sure you can't use two deoxys forms lol

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I think that breaks species clause

spiral fable
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I would highly recommend actually testing these teams on ladder before asking us for rates

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A lot of the flaws can become apparent very quickly through a few games

hidden crescent
frail gazelle
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First team has some good points, but you don’t need glimmora or gliscor.

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You can replace solar beam with stealth rock on Torkoal

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Gliscor fits on bulkier builds, but sun doesn’t need it, and it’s just a momentum drain anyways

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I would suggest replacing those two

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Gouging fire pairs well with Walking Wake and is a solid replacement

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Hatterene can be used to be even more hazard-proof

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Roaring moon might be used as a brutal wallbreaker with choice band

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Additionally, you can even try chlorophyll mons like Hisuian liligant or venusaur

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Second team is not good. Red card on tusk is mediocre, and single use items are bad for bulkier builds, which your team looks like. You’ll just lose to hazard stack since tusk without boots or lefties gets worn down extremely quickly and the rest of your team dies to knock + hazards

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Waterpon also rips the second team open, you will have to sacrifice Dragapult, Landorus or Gholdengo to not get destroyed by it

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I would suggest starting out from scratch and building with only one of Tusk, Landorus-T or Clodsire. If you want to use Tusk, try hyper offense. If you want Landorus-T, try bulky/standard offense, and Lando-T, Iron Crowns and Hisuian Samurott along with hazard removal is a great starting place. Clodsire should be tried on stall or really bulky balances

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Additionally, you should check the samples and try them to understand the metagame and how and when to use mons

craggy atlas
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is this anything

hidden crescent
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@frail gazelle switched glimm for hat and gli for gfire, is that better?

trail charm
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This team was so fun to use on ladder once I learned its wincons and matchups, nearly made 1800s with it

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Built around only using tera on frosmoth which is why the rest don't have tera types

kind trail
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wow very cool

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you cooking chef

brisk cedar
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The team is completely unviable and it loses to way too many things

trail charm
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At least has potential to win against meta teams in OU even if consistency is rough

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What do you think it loses to? Just curious

delicate plaza
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I don't get what frosmoth is doing here besides doing QD
also defensively it just seems very all in

trail charm
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Frosmoth and hands make up the defensive core

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Fmoth can setup too in certain situations and can reliably wall most special threats with tera with ease, which either forces a switch or lets me go for defog

delicate plaza
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what do u do against a webs team

trail charm
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Webs is one of the easier things to deal with

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Usually theyll send in tusk so I go rwash to force a switch into a special attacker because theyre threatened by wwisp

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So I'm able to safely go into fmoth to defog

delicate plaza
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on gholdengo?

trail charm
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Tera elec fmoth beats dengo

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I don't think other than psyshock theres anything they can do to it as long as I can confirm it isnt trying to trick scarf onto me

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Even with psyshock it still loses 90% of the time it feels

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Plus twave immunity helps a lot against dengo

delicate plaza
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you did mention consistency was rough, out of curiosity what teams was it most inconsistent against? cos I feel sand is kinda funni against this

trail charm
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Sand can be rougher but honestly hands handles excadrill + tyranitar well, plus if worst comes to worst since it's sand rush exca I can hydro pump most threats or even focus blast with alolarai. I'd say the most inconsistent aspects of it were against mixed attackers that were fairly bulky

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Hoopa-U was the biggest threat since it can 1hko most mons on the team

delicate plaza
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yeah I can see that

trail charm
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So I had to hope it had a choice item and switch in hands to rai or vice versa

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Either than or chip down with rai

delicate plaza
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how does this fare against grass

trail charm
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Lose a few mons like curchin

trail charm
delicate plaza
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grassy terrain

trail charm
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Fmoth is really good against serp with a resist to leaf storm

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Against gterrain Rilla is kinda rough to deal with if they keep switching out

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But hands can usually win the 1v1 if they stay in

sly mauve
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team gets beaten by smth like glisc + glowking

trail charm
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Pawmot lets me revive curchin so I can sack him for a switch in against rilla and get terrain setup

tender pecan
trail charm
tender pecan
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like

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none of these mons are even OU

trail charm
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On elec terrain eq 1hkos most slowking builds

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And if they switch into gscor

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They usually go for rocks or toxic

sly mauve
trail charm
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And get hit by a 4x effective ice punch

tender pecan
trail charm
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Glis gets folded by rwash and if they switch into gloking I get light screen setup for fsight

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I don't think I've ever really struggled with gliscor with this team

tender pecan
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roaring moon just 6-0s here lol

trail charm
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Roaring moon gets washed by terrain hands

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Like unironically

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Ice punch 1hkos and covers tera flying

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Also alluring voice 1hkos and outspeeds on terrain

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Even against proto speed

sly mauve
delicate plaza
sly mauve
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volt into what

tender pecan
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actually like

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any sun team

trail charm
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Alola rai or fmoth to take the hit, or worst case scenario rwash or curchin can take the hit

tender pecan
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completely ruins this

trail charm
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Thats why I run rdance for a slight early game disruption

tender pecan
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the only thing holding back offence is rotom screens and you have to hope to god they don't have taunt