#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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ruby crest
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Realistically tho this team gets owned by like

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Opposing ogerpon, gambit, moon

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Just a lot of physical attackers

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you know what fits good in this

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Corv !

vocal plover
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the return

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idef bodypress?

ruby crest
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wait why is this pult double status

ruby crest
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3 attack roost

vocal plover
ruby crest
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Ehh

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Hmm

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Stall mu is lacklustered

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But I don’t think pult here should be double status

vocal plover
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which one do i keep

ruby crest
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I say to twave and make this toxic gking

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Then I would honestly go sub cm ghost primarina to own stall over ogerpon

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Also slightly improved this team mu agaisnt gouger, wake, still loads decent vs rain

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also gives ur team a fairy

vocal plover
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goodbye ogerpon, was nice knowing you but honestly you didn't outspeed as much as i'd like
i keep everything else or i replace something with corv like you said

vocal plover
ruby crest
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give me a sec

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cause we ran to another problem

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no knocker

vocal plover
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i can't slot it onto tusk because then i have no spin or get walled by gliscor or have no hazards

ruby crest
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exactly

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let me think this through

vocal plover
ruby crest
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definitely like this more, probably do have to go skarm even tho i prefer corv these days

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unless we turn this tusk into a gliscor

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but then there will be no immediate breaker

vocal plover
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specs pult?

ruby crest
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no cb!

vocal plover
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right

ruby crest
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great thinking

vocal plover
ruby crest
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ye

vocal plover
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then my only special attacker is glowking

ruby crest
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you'll be fine having multipe spa or physical attackers aint really something to be super concerned about tho i still want to make this ogerpon into a prima

vocal plover
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what can prima do that oger can't

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and vice versa

ruby crest
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prima checks dragons better then oger and gives u a fairy which provides very useful defensive stuff

brisk cedar
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feels weird seeing people use/share my team now

ruby crest
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its a good team

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gj

vocal plover
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ooh this looks fun

spiral fable
ruby crest
brisk cedar
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Like my team specifically was mentioned by setsu suggesting that deos set for a sample which is

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I never thought I'd get this far

ruby crest
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ur goated

vocal plover
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lefties tusk over boots?

ruby crest
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yes this team aint super weak to hazard stack and even then passive recovery is beneficial here especially when u want tusk around longer

vocal plover
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alright i'll go give this a shot

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what's some mons to watch out for still

ruby crest
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ogerpon, zama, and slightly gambit

vocal plover
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ig i have skarm for zama and gambit

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why tera ghost prim as well

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wouldn't steel be better for matchups like meow and rilla

ruby crest
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well one meow is bad, rilla is covered by pult, skarm, and even situationally by gking, two stall makes u completely shit on stall being immune to status behind sub, resisting poison now, and blissey cant do anything with seismic

vocal plover
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alright i'll go test this out

hardy plover
fiery sapphire
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https://pokepast.es/8390a5ab05b0bc90 wanted to use iron hands considering its uubl which I was unsure if that means it isnt viable or if it is. This team feels good but something does feel missing.

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fierce basin
# hardy plover Is this good? https://pokepast.es/714c31087dfed079

No
No hazards, no earthquake switchin, if you're gonna run fighting coverage on kingambit it should be speed invest to outspeed opposing kingambits w fighting coverage (you have no speed so they all outspeed you)
Specs thund doesn't need flash cannon just give it tbolt or even hammer arm for bliss
If you're gonna run taunt volcanion idk why you wouldn't run fire spin to trap gkings, stonerpon should be SD over taunt
Tusk should be speed invest over attack with bulk up over knock
I wouldn't run modest scarf ghold you no longer outspeed pult
Hope this helps for your next attempt

hardy plover
fierce basin
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no problem have a good rest of ur day

hardy plover
fierce basin
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Can just slap glimm over smth as a designated suicide lead since ur all attackers anyway just be aware choice locked mons aren't great for hyper offense since if you lock yourself into smth the opp can set up with you have no switchins

fiery sapphire
ruby crest
fiery sapphire
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Hmmm

hardy plover
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Hmmm. Alright

fiery sapphire
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Id use kingambit over dragonite but that ends up making the team weak to rillaboom

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Maybe king over hands? But then we have nothing for mons like roaring thunder/kyurem or walking wake

spiral fable
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Hamurott isn't very good on this team as your ways of denying hazard removal are just ghold which gets folded by tusk after a knock, you don't need both hatt + tusk on the same team + you have no speed control besides hamurott which gets outsped by any boosted threat + all your physical walls are weak to common physical attacks + hands doesn't have any recovery so it standing as your only spdef wall falls apart really quickly

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Like how do you handle rmoon

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+1 252 Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Hatterene: 252-297 (79.2 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 220+ Def Great Tusk: 300-354 (69.1 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Gholdengo: 510-600 (134.9 - 158.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

fiery sapphire
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.....meant to make small changes and ended up with a almost completely different team. Should I send it now or wait until the 6 hour timer is done.

fiery sapphire
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Wait nvm

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Dunno if more speed is required or if this is fine but here is the team I came up with. I am debating on replacing gholdengo

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fierce basin
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Ghold still beats this 6, volc hassles half the team, gouging fire wins as soon as tusk dies or just immediately if it's breaking swipe. Would scrap

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Oh not gouging instaloss unless ghost tera corv has to die

fiery sapphire
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Ye I might keep boom and roaring thunder tho. Not sure what to do for the rest.

polar jetty
spiral fable
# polar jetty https://pokepast.es/a3aadd0abfcd6306 check it out step bros

Solid start for a screens team but you've got a few issues
Not only does protect do nothing for atales you actively stall out your own screens and snow, drop it for encore
Stored Power Latias can work on screens but you'd want to run the leftovers or weakness policy set, you can find it here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/latias/ou/
Volc is fine but you shouldn't really run two Tera Blast mons, you can try tera grass giga drain volc instead (and if not i would recommend tera ground tera blast instead of electric)
Should run bulky gambit instead of offensive black glasses
Hamurott doesn't fit on this team at all, drop it for a sweeper(you can try hatt for stall breaking power/rmoon for general offensive power)

polar jetty
# spiral fable Solid start for a screens team but you've got a few issues Not only does protect...

Good point with protect

For the 2 Terra blast mons I have 2 of them in case on dies before I have a chance to stack a mon up but I may try replacing it

So bulky? Got it I switched his item for heavy duty boots and moved his speed Evs into mainly hp and put the rest in speed l

Well I was using him as potential counter if I need but another sweeper would make sense on my hyper offense team but do you have any good water type sweepers (samorotts type water coverage was great)

spiral fable
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(for latias)

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Just run Calm Mind Stored Power Aura Sphere Agility with Lefties and Tera Poison

polar jetty
spiral fable
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Smogon is the website and organization that runs unofficial singles

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when i say use the set on smogon i refer to the linked website i put

polar jetty
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I was just wondering if it meant something

spiral fable
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Yes so run the bulky ev spread with calm mind stored power aura sphere agility

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with lefties tera poison

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As for water types you really do not need water coverage but if you insist ig you can run wellspring ogerpon

fiery sapphire
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tender pecan
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nah dw about it

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this looks ok but I'd be careful of waterpon

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especially cause it usually runs play rough or knock off for coverage rendering a lot of your team vulnerable to it

fiery sapphire
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Yeah I see that...thinking if I should use defensive ghold > dragapult or would I be missing too much speed

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Also none of my mons really want to take ivy cudgel

fiery sapphire
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Glisc + garg feels really good

hardy plover
buoyant forge
tender pecan
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also torkoal can't use yawn cause of the sleep ban

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since you're new to the meta its best to just, use something like one of these and tweek things to your liking if you prefer other mons or different sets

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if this is a doubles team then you're in the wrong thread bud

fiery sapphire
tender pecan
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I think thats a solid idea

buoyant forge
ruby crest
hardy plover
ruby crest
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It’s just it can go either or with a few changes it’s up to you, can’t really commit to a mashed playstyle gotta stick to one

hardy plover
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So if I want to go full ho what changes you recommend

tender pecan
ruby crest
hardy plover
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I can't leave Lando t's intimidate

ruby crest
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good call

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https://pokepast.es/384ebb3c41f8a3b9 @hardy plover, hatt > glimmora gives u a way to prevent hazards from bouncing in and a general nuissance against things like non heavy slam ting lu and gliscor especially after tera flying u deny as much progress, decided to change cinderace to a volcarona gives u a nice overall wincon and provides beneficial use against opposing kyurem and ival, decided to make this gambit max speed with jolly for speed creeping skarms and black glasses and tera dark makes it potent especially late game also good against fat, kyurem became a mixed dd user freeze dry is nice to pressure dondonzo which is super beneficial for the entire team seeing it gone you can also do tera fairy for a more defensive profile, but ice helps with maximizing ur damage, believe it or not lando-t these days run ep instead of eq u hit a lot more relevant stuff like physdef bswipe gouger, garg, and gives u a nice defensive profile for this time with taunt against passive stuff

hardy plover
ruby crest
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snailok no problemo

vapid hare
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vapid hare
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Swapped gouging fire for dnite to improve my ho mu, switched hamurott from scarf to AV to help survivability a bit (very iffy on this mostly) and swapped iron valiant from cm to mixed because I found it rly difficult at times to setup

spiral fable
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I mean not much has changed since last rate

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I wouldn’t recommend vest but if you want to ig you could

vapid hare
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Stick to scarf then? Or maybe boots?

spiral fable
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Scarf is better imo but boots could work as well

wraith trail
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trying to get back into sv ou and actually engage with the meta

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rather than farming suspects with hydrapple stall

fiery sapphire
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Which should I keep/replace

ruby crest
wraith trail
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lando has rocks

ruby crest
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im blind

wraith trail
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i find knock off more useful than trick tbh, booster mons will get barbed with contact and knock has much more utility in a long game than trick

ruby crest
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well most common booster mon either dont care for clef or fear even wanting to stay on clef

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u can honestly do knock trick since u got rocks lando here, especially cause being able to trick stuff like steel, gking, and garg is super beneficial for ur teammates

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tho u can also do knock ogerpon-w since ur mu against dragons is honestly not terrible

wraith trail
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ik wish tect doesnt make sense on non-lefties clef but i just like the wish passing

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just as insurance for lando, bolt, and pon being phazed around

ruby crest
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yeh tho i dont really think u need it as bad here theres not much here that would severely besides like lando or bolt, tho bolt is honestly the most expendable teammate here imo, u can also even do horn leech oger here

wraith trail
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wish also means youre not wasting your recovery versus gliscor nearly as much

ruby crest
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yeah gliscor is annoying tho the more i look at this team i really do wonder if u need sticky barb

wraith trail
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i mean i lose to moon without it

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i think im rlly weak to kyurem as well, and volc

ruby crest
# wraith trail i think im rlly weak to kyurem as well, and volc

kyurem not so much volc is definitely annoying tho you might want to do twave instead of wisp on pult, then do corv > raging bolt which helps against moon, glisc, and oger-w mu, idt lando-t needs to be this fast u def could use bulk, now the last three things can be depending with what we can do

wraith trail
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adding dirge over bolt

ruby crest
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ehh i disagree with dirge

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it does help with volc tho with twave pult, toxic gking, and ogerpon-w volc mu is def winnable

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also dirge doesn;t improve the mu against ogerpon if anything u load worse to it

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@wraith trail theres honestly two ways u can approach this, cm clef or booster mixed iron val, clef helps maintain the balance, tho the team since the start was already leaning closer to bo

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either or goes

wraith trail
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im liking bolt again tbh, ill play a bunch of games and let u know what i lose to

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but thanks for suggesting twave pult

fierce basin
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ruby vale
ruby crest
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This is a monotype tram but also says nat dex I want to say u post this at the wrong area cause this is for current gen ou

sly mauve
ruby crest
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Is this meant to be nd mono or just a mono ghost being used in nd

sly mauve
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Ok nvm I found the place Ty for the help

ruby crest
fiery sapphire
ruby crest
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Toxapex doesn’t help vs ogerpon u get owned by +2 pwhip, also this is just a sample team with two different mons

spiral iron
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isnt taunt RM very annoying for this team

brisk cedar
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You're taking 80%

brisk cedar
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Moon can't use eq taunt

fiery sapphire
rapid lynx
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What do you guys think about this team? this my first team since I'm new in the pokemon competitive

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I won couple of match using this

junior harness
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At the very least you are not somebody using furret in AG

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Anyways you should use Tera ground or fire tera blast on kyurem, or else get walled by steel types

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I am sure you are still on low ladder, so that’s the reason you won I guess

spiral fable
hearty vale
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i am a bit new to making teams

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so

junior harness
hearty vale
spiral fable
# rapid lynx What do you guys think about this team? this my first team since I'm new in the ...

Unfortunately, this team doesn't have a lot of synergy together: I can't tell what team structure you were going for, Pecharunt is kinda bad in OU + Future SIght Latios isn't much better and you dropped its best move (Luster Purge), you dont have any hazard removal with only 1 mon that can ignore hazards there just isn't a lot of synergy in general between your mons and it feels like you slapped 6 ou-ish mons together
I would recommend running a sample team as you're new to the tier, and using it to learn about common team structures and the general metagame
Here's a good team by Veti, in an RMT that explains each mon's place on the team https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/kino-der-toten-sv-ou-anti-fat-darkspam-peaked-61-1874.3740466/

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SV OU - KINO DER TOTEN - SV OU Anti-Fat Darkspam [Peaked #61, 1874]

OP stolen from Evie

:sv/deoxys-speed::sv/roaring moon::sv/darkrai::sv/kingambit::sv/volcarona::sv/ogerpon-wellspring:

Introduction
I love SV OU but I don't build nearly as much as I should because I get bored along the building process, but in my sleep deprived state at 3 AM I managed to...

junior harness
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Focus sash mamoswine not a lead

hearty vale
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said the skarmory is the lead

spiral fable
junior harness
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Insane

spiral fable
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So you're kinda in the wrong channel

hearty vale
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hm?

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oh wait

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i forgot the guardivour

spiral fable
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But also none of these mons fit on HO

hearty vale
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nb

hearty vale
junior harness
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Lead skarmory 🔥🔥

spiral fable
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HO is made up of 1 lead and 5 setup sweepers, with slight deviation depending on the tier

hearty vale
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and also

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dk if its out dated but i checked the guide

junior harness
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Wrong tier bro

spiral fable
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You also have dragapult? which is illegal in natdex?

hearty vale
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what tier then

junior harness
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I mean gen

hearty vale
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?

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i validated

junior harness
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What’s the format?

hearty vale
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i mean the magnezone

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is a bit

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off

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gen 9 ou

spiral fable
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what tier did you build this team for

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ok well then magnezone and gardevoir are both illegal

hearty vale
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there not

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i validated?

spiral fable
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I can guarentee you they are illegal

junior harness
hearty vale
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yeah ik

spiral fable
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Hidden Power has not been in the game since gen 8

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Did you build this team for Natdex OU instead?

junior harness
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Where did you validate?

hearty vale
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1 sec

junior harness
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And you can’t ndou with dragapult

hearty vale
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sorry for being bad

spiral fable
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I mean it's alright just make sure you validate the team properly and you post it to the right channel next time

hearty vale
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ive validated for it

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now

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updated version

spiral fable
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Unfortunately you are running 4 UU or below mons in OU

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Most are not viable at all and those that are viable only have small niches, if any in the tier

hearty vale
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ok

spiral fable
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I would recommend you run a sample team for now to learn the tier, what mons are good in it, and the general metagame, then try to build your own team

hearty vale
hearty vale
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ok

spiral fable
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Good rmt by Veti that explains the process behind building the team

spiral fable
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Probalby because it was made during Gen 6

hearty vale
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oh

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thats why

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also

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would i be able to run this team in a brick bronze game

spiral fable
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We don't help with that here, sorry

hearty vale
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alr

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wb nd

spiral fable
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No as Dragapult is banned

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And the team is unviable in natdex as well

hearty vale
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ok

wraith trail
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is it alright if i post another team?

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its kind of a rework of my last team, but its different enough to where idk if i need to wait out a cooldown or whatever

spiral fable
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uh sure go ahead just don't spam teams

rapid lynx
rapid lynx
spiral fable
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you don't need to go out of your way to counter tusk since its a utility mon not a sweeper, and you should naturally come by gambit answers as you build your team as many of the top mons in this metagame have a good matchup into forms of gambit

rapid lynx
spiral fable
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ladder is ranked mode

junior harness
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^

rapid lynx
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The ordinary battle? Or is it there's another menu?

spiral fable
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the ordinary battle

rapid lynx
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How do i check my ranking?

spiral fable
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click on your blue name

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and you get linked to your page of elo across different tier

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you can see here

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rapid lynx
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Unable to click

spiral fable
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that means you haven't registered your account yet

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click the gear in the top right corner, and instead of password you should see "register"

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rapid lynx
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Black name and password

spiral fable
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hm

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well then whenever you win/lose a game it'll update your elo in the chat and you can see it there

rapid lynx
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Ah nvm i figured it out

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Thanks man

spiral fable
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np

rapid lynx
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Also thank you for the team building tips

spiral fable
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np

fiery sapphire
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fiery sapphire
spiral fable
# fiery sapphire I need team building tips

You posted this at 8 am, most of us are busy and demanding us to rate a team you posted 40 mins ago does not help

You have a bulky offense team but then skarmory is also here? And your gterrain actively undermines tusk
If you want to run gterrain drop skarm tusk for hawlucha and bulky spdef heatran with rocks, and drop gking for grassy seed cm hatt + make rillaboom terrain extender
If you don’t, drop skarm and rillaboom for mixed Val and status/specs pult

fiery sapphire
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I know*

fiery sapphire
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Also thanks for the rate^^

wraith trail
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@brisk cedar

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futureport makes pon and zamazenta feel broken

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im of the opinion zamas fine tho

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but pon is too restrictive for stall and slower balance to deal with imo

brisk cedar
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I like this team, I wouldn't go uturn on pon thoufh

wraith trail
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play rough is probably better

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but ill see how high i can take the team

fiery sapphire
fierce root
vapid hare
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vapid hare
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Gliscor and slowking are my main defensive mons, but I think I might swap gliscor for lando? I feel like maybe the anti u-turn utility+ rocks might be more important but idk

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Zam is here to shut down steel and dark types and be some extra speed control+setup

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Valiant is here to deal with pult and ghold and also be a secondary way to deal with dark types since zam has limited longetivity

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Gambit is here bc I couldn't figure out a 6th tbh

spiral fable
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frankly pult would be better in every way but if youw ant to run latios you can ig

vapid hare
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Max spe or spa?

spiral fable
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speed

vapid hare
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Alr

spiral fable
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run its smogon set

vapid hare
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How does this look? Should I swap gambit or does it work here?

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I changed the val set but I think I'm gonna change it a little further. Prob psyshock and tera steel

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Or tera fairy actually

spiral fable
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might want flip turn latios over trick

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iffy about the val set but that's up to you

vapid hare
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I cant figure out good val sets lol

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Should I stick with mixed?

sleek gust
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Or if u chill like that

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Mixed scarf

vapid hare
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Idk abt a scarf and a specs mon together that seems scary

sleek gust
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If ur running offense then I feel like that’s a pretty common thing 😭

spiral fable
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dont run double choiced if you can avoid it

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(which you can)

sleek gust
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Also smal thing but

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There’s not really a reason to run special lando when ur only running earth power

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The main reason ppl run special lando is for grass knot into tusk

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If ur not running grass knot then just go eq

vapid hare
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Sd is also kinda scary bc I already have 2 physical setup mons unless thats not a big deal bc latios

spiral fable
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no?

sleek gust
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Then why would u run special lando

spiral fable
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You hit Gouging, Zamazenta, BU Tusk, and Glimm

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its more used than eq rn in high ladder

vapid hare
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Should I perhaps run defensive lando since its my 2nd defensive pivot

sleek gust
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Glimmora gets hazards up regardless bc of sash

spiral fable
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while speedy allows you to deny hazards better with taunt

sleek gust
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Only thing is maybe breaking zama sub

spiral fable
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Ah yes

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Because all of high ladder is stupid

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and does not know how to run optimal lando t sets

vapid hare
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I'll test it out the team seems pretty fast without it already

sleek gust
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I just don’t see how earth power alone is better than eq

spiral fable
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just mess around with it see how it goes

sleek gust
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I think gknot + earth power is better definitely

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But solo earth power just seems kinda strange to me

spiral fable
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U turn is mandatory, rocks is mandatory, taunt is extremely useful, and ep allows you to hit a bunch of stuff you can't with eq

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especially on the teams that lando fits on

sleek gust
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but everything that ep hits, eq hits harder ? 😭

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Only thing ur giving up is t spikes from glimm

spiral fable
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all very prominent mons in the meta that you do not want to let in

sleek gust
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bulk up tusk almost always run ice spinner tho and are booster speed half the time

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ur losing to it regardlesss unless u Tera

spiral fable
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see the nice thing about lando is that it has this cool ability called intimidate

vapid hare
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Lookin good..

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I still dk abt gambit but idk what else can even go therr

spiral fable
vapid hare
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🫡

sleek gust
spiral fable
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you know my thoughts about lando anyways other than that might want to mess around with mirror herb zam to beat rmoon

spiral fable
vapid hare
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I'll try it

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Ty

spiral fable
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also the much bigger threats that you check with ep are glimmora and zamazenta

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especially zamazenta

clear sentinel
sleek gust
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Try band on rilla

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And hammer over knock

spiral fable
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It’s insanely outclassed in any other role

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Also Rillaboom actively hinders Mamoswine + if you wanted to build terrain you have much better options

clear sentinel
spiral fable
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Yes but you’re still limiting Mamoswine

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When it doesn’t fit on this team in the first place

clear sentinel
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Ok

spiral fable
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If you want to run Gterrain, drop Latios and Mamoswine

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Replace them with Hawlucha and grassy seed calm mind hatterene

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Swap Rillaboom to a terrain extender set, though you can experiment with Band? Depends on how much your team needs terrain
And make tusk offensive BU with booster speed

sleek gust
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Grassy seed cm hatt is evil 💀

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Can straight up just win a game if they don’t have an immediate answer

fierce basin
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It doesn't need terrain extender tbh I think banded has been best ever since it got glide back

weary crypt
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yeah even if your team is build arouind gterrain band is just betrter

fierce root
spiral fable
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For a future test, testing your team on ladder is a good way to find its flaws (or just verifying the team) as I can see that your Volcarona has Tera Starstorm

tender pecan
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The world is not ready for stellar tera starstorm volcarona

fierce root
left sentinel
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spiral fable
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frankly the answer is "trick room is nigh unviable in ou"

left sentinel
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I beleive that having a strong sp or somthing along those lines would be good but kg does the work, just not consistently

spiral fable
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but also this team is hella outdated they updated samples like 2 days ago you can mess around with them here

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!gen9ousamples

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left sentinel
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cant find the newest ones

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it only goes to april 8th

spiral fable
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???

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i can see all of em

left sentinel
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oh wait

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it was edited

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mb

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i was so confused lmao

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alr so i put glim on noonemorebased's dirge ho in place of treads and swaped roar on zam for sub

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also swaped power wip for horn leech

spiral fable
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the sample is built like that for a reason

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

left sentinel
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alr after trying a couple games im still used to the old metagame

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what the hell happend

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it still works decently

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but i swaped in and got danm near ohko'ed by ice punch val

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Hi! I'm fairly new to competitive, done my research and reading and played a handful of matches. I'm aware my team isn't optimal, kinda just having fun and seeing what works. I was wondering if Cinderace would be better than Meowscarada here? And if there are any additional suggestions, I'm happy to hear them. Thank you for your time! WhiscashGrin https://pokepast.es/2f59533d2ba97d07

rain kernel
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https://pokepast.es/e3df5e22171dd3f7 very rough draft inspired by a team I saw on the forums. Wanted to put a personal twist on it. Moves, EVs and sets are expected to change. Any input?

bleak finch
sterile raft
bleak finch
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i would try to figure out if you're going for more of a balanced team or a bulky one

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i suggest adding in great tusk instead of clefable for a bulky spinner that complements meowscarada

spiral fable
rain kernel
spiral fable
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yeah enam

rain kernel
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You know it does look pretty similar now that you mention it

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there's a team that just made top 5 that's just this with glimm over deo

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slightly different sets

spiral fable
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well, at least you swapped out three mons, ig

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rain kernel
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I'm looking to try something different given Boulder dropped

ruby crest
rain kernel
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don't wanna copy sets verbatim from the RMT due to 1, predictability and B, I just really like sub Zama

sterile raft
bleak finch
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you’re welcome :)

spiral fable
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Why did you take a proven top 5 team and modify it, then post it here

sterile raft
rain kernel
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My team for a while has been gambit/bolt/deo-s/moon/boulder/volc and it peaked at 1672 or so, need to try something else, I've been thinking

rain kernel
brisk cedar
rain kernel
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Idk why I do half the things I do ngl

ruby crest
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this team does oddly enough load poorly into corv, but also has no real switch into kyurem

spiral fable
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Ok well please read the rules next time and don't post teams that aren't yours

rain kernel
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k

brisk cedar
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I think someone loaded my team with bad sets on ladder

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Someone told me about that

sterile raft
ruby crest
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cause outside of prima, which is prone to getting worn down and freeze dry, nothing really switches into kyurem and just claims something every turn

sterile raft
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Clefable isn't doing much but ruth gave me an alternative, if you have suggestions!

sterile raft
ruby crest
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i honestly dont think u need meowscarada as much here, given if we do great tusk > clef, it gives some type of immediate breaker, knock user, and hazard removal, we then can do something like gking in its place, which still provides a nice pivot for this team while improving ur mu against kyurem, and checks handful of stuff like enam, iron val, and another back up answer to raging bolt, you also can cripple annoying stuff like volc and put it in a timer, and with gking, and with this you can change primarina to a bulky cm sub set with tera ghost as it will vastly imporve ur mu against stall which you otherwise generally struggle

sterile raft
ruby crest
sterile raft
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Even better! You're a saint, I appreciate it!

ruby crest
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https://pokepast.es/1547ee38f48b51ea also if u feel that phasing from ting-lu isnt as impactful you can do tera steel heavy slam to jab cm hatt, and being able to take on a handful of other stuff

sterile raft
wicked mason
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spiral fable
# wicked mason dragapult-centered hyper offense https://pokepast.es/f0d40c08ff8fb51d

i wouldnt recommend hamurott as a sash lead, instead run glimm/deo s (glimm is better imo though deo s has its merits)
wellspring is a bit too slow with no way to boost its speed (trailblaze sucks), drop it for roaring moon
val is fine but you probably want to make it special since you have no other special attackers, just run the cm set from smogon
don't run scarf ghold on this team, you don't need the speed control and its power is middling, run nasty plot darkrai instead (expert belt/lo prob best but you can argue for boots against web teams)
Don't run ceruledge, it's just too unreliable in OU and there's very easy ways to beat it, run Zamazenta instead with the Iron Defense set from smogon

wicked mason
spiral fable
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yes

wicked mason
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why?

spiral fable
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its still a "sweeper"

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trades some offensive power for defensive utility while still fitting on HO

wicked mason
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also ghold has pretty decent spa at 133

spiral fable
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let me rephrase

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scarf ghold cannot do much due to it having no way to boost its power

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therefore, it's power is "middling" compared to your other sweepers

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furthermore being choice locked sucks and you don't even need speed control in the first place

wicked mason
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oh ok

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can i use something other than iron defense zamazenta?

spiral fable
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you dont really have a lot of other options

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ig you can mess around with dnite or gouging

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maybe cm hatt if you really want

wicked mason
spiral fable
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the issue is ghold does not fit on this style of ho

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even if you run nasty plot, it is slow and you have better offensive options

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and especially if you're running scarf

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Which has no boosting power at all, can get choice locked and easily played around, and also just isn't that good of a set

wicked mason
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how would zamazenta set up?

spiral fable
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you click iron defense

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body press

wicked mason
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oh

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tyvm, i’ll try it and see how it goes

hearty vale
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attempted to make another ou team but need feedback

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I’ve not checked total coverage tho

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sly mauve
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Thoughts?

cloud grotto
spiral fable
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/f1b19c96ef6edafd

This team is all over the place
You have Grimmsnarl as a screens lead (which btw is bad just run Deo-S/Atales), but the rest of your team is very much not HO
Your Gouging set is unviable, you're running corviknight which actively undermines your screens by removing them with defog, vest tusk is bad and healing wish mola is not good + you have no way to hit anything, and pecharunt is barely viable in OU + parting shot undermines nasty plot
I would recommend you run a sample team for now to learn the metagame, you can find them here

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!gen9ousamples

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sly mauve
spiral fable
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o neat

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still isn't good on the team

sly mauve
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Ty for your opinion

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Lemme go look up a sample team and use that and be unoriginal like every other person.

spiral fable
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You can strive to be original but if you come here asking for team advice you're going to have to sacrifice a lot of creativity to be viable

sly mauve
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Win 4 of 5 battles with the team and it’s unviable I understand

spiral fable
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Simply winning games with a team does not mean it's good, especially in lower elos

sly mauve
spiral fable
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...if you come here you are asking for advice?

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That's the whole point of RMT

sly mauve
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Fair enough. Next.

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Before you give “advice” at least make sure you know what the move actually does before speaking about it.

spiral fable
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Please refer to rule 11 of the channel, thanks

sly mauve
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I don’t see it

spiral fable
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#1030567099703242903 message

sly mauve
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Oh I saw that now

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I also saw this

cloud grotto
# sly mauve

considering they're trusted enough to be pinged whenever someone posts here, they probably arent misinformed

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not knowing a niche detail of one move doesnt mean someone is uninformed

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(especially when it still doesnt fit well on the team to begin with)

spiral fable
# hearty vale https://pokepast.es/cb8093c2fb72a4f8

Unfortunately you seem kinda split between offense and balance on this team
Meowscarada only fits on balance teams as it doesn't exert enough pressure on offense teams, while Roaring Moon cannot switch in more than once without being severely neutered and thus fits only on faster pace offense teams
Skarmory is very passive and only fits on balance, offensive utility tusk is well, offensive, and i'm not sure you really need primarina when you already have a pivot in gking + your team lacks a lot of offensive pressure without the hazard pressure to make up for it
Due to this split between playstyles your mons don't really synergize well together unfortunately, and the team just doesn't work
I would recommend you run a sample for now to learn team structures, here's a good BO i recommend
https://pokepast.es/abefdc2b058c2939

sly mauve
fierce basin
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/f1b19c96ef6edafd

Grimm is a poor option for a screener due to the plethora of mons that are immune to taunt/parting shot like gambit/ghold, without taunt you're setup fodder for a lot of guys when you don't need/want to be with other previously mentioned screener options
Screens are generally used to enable setup mons, the only one you have is gouging fire but it doesn't even set up. Burning bulwark is counterintuitive because it burns (HAha) your screens turns, all your chosen moves are low bp compared to what you could be using with broken gouging and you don't even have dd YeePensive on screens could even be bulky gouging w morning sun or something
pecharunt on its way to nasty plot up and then... evacuate the field for unknown reasons
you already have safe switchins and screens idk what made you want more parting shot. Youre better off running another attack so you aren't walled entirely by any steel type in the game even if you manage to plot up, you only have 8 attacks
weird corv set even putting aside it being on what looks like is supposed to be screens, if you're gonna run the bird idk why you wouldn't have uturn or ID BP
ayylmaola lives forever idk why you'd kill it, a second chance at life for who? for why? you have no winconditions on your team to even healing wish back, and fish flip turn from Alo is already a healing wish for most mons (aside from status)
AV tusk is fine but again doesn't really make sense on either of the structures you're halfway going for. Adding your 2nd form of hazard removal and third form of screen removal doesn't seem worth the slot

pokemon like corv, ayylmaola and (kinda) pecharunt don't really need screens to aid their longevity. If you run screens and something like healing wish, the best pokemon to take advantage would be setup sweepers which is why you see it on H.O

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hope this helps (I know what defog does)

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whole team does nothing and winning 4/5 games in a row is not a good testament when you're in the 1100s

spiral fable
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spidget you're actually my greatest opp bro

fierce basin
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I hope this more detailed breakdown helps explain why the 6 aren't good and maybe more closely resembles advice. lmk if you have further questions

sly mauve
fierce basin
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No prob have a good day

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I wanted to recommend replacement mons but it was hard since I still wasn't sure what team style you wanted to go for. For example if it was screens you use hatt for role compression and choose between a sweeper/healing wisher and it's a form of hazard prevention

fresh maple
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scarf glim is ok, would rather a defensive tera since itll be the main pivot + tspiker

spiral fable
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??

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if you're talking about your sun team i wouldn't recommend since glimmora is notoriously frail and thus cannot pivot much + you already have a better pivot in hatt

autumn zenith
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/f1b19c96ef6edafd

In my opinion this is a stink fest. The speed control is all wrong. That is the worst great tusk set I've seen in a minute. Alomomola makes no sense. Corviknight makes no sense. You hardly have anything to even take advantage of screens. What exactly were you thinking here? I'd recommend beefing up the offense, dropping the defensive core, and deciding on a new direction.

spiral fable
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You don't need to weigh in on a team already rated twice

quick bluff
cloud grotto
wanton ginkgo
sly mauve
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send prayers

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for choice items you'll want to run a lot of attacks
not things like sd or sub

wanton ginkgo
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im tryna make a stallbreaker team or smthn

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im very new to this

sly mauve
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yeah i'd use samples

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spiral fable
# small rock https://pokepast.es/cfb9e72c7d0caafb thoughts? I’m new to the SV ou metagame

This feels like one step away form bulky offense so i'll recommend you switch to that
You are running an offensive Gholdengo set, but your team doesn't really rely on hazards and thus gholdengo doesn't really fit, i would drop it for hex dragapult to offer your team some speed control + another pivot
Ogerpon is alright but you're running Uturn on a setup mon which is just a waste since you boost up just to waste said boosts by uturning, drop uturn for encore/play rough (and you probably want to swap horn leech for power whip)
Drop Gliscor, it's a bit too passive for bulky offense + lando-t is a much better fit due to its speed, access to taunt, and uturn, run the speed set
I would recommend you drop Gouging for Iron Defense Zamazenta, it gives you a way to handle threats like Roaring Moon and Kingambit that you might struggle with otherwise while also offering some speed
Darkrai is fine but you might want boots/expert belt instead of life orb, up to you

clear sentinel
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so im trying to build a team for 'the next best thing' competition on the forums, my pokemon is a rest-talk volcarona. its worked alright and gotten to 1460 in ou but how can i improve my team before i add it onto the forum post https://pokepast.es/e7b178c851401384

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any glaring weaknesses or things like that

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I think the main issue is that rest talk volc is like

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Why??

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Thing is with volc is that it's not naturally fast enough to sweep without a quiver dance

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Quiver dance also helps to patch up special defence as flame body volc can already punish most physical attacks

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Except rock ones but whatever

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So without it you have a somewhat mediocre wallbreaker

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Firey dance can snowball but it's inconsistent and again you're not thaaat fast

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Especially without max speed investment

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Volc has serviceable bulk but because you don't have leftovers cause volc rarely runs anything other than boots

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You're forced to rely on rest talk which is inherently inconsistent

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And is heavily exploitable

clear sentinel
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its for the contest ¯_(ツ)_/¯

tender pecan
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Yeah I figured as such

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But also the contest is supposed to be off meta and viable this just doesn't seem like it's it

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Aside from volc tho

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It seems pretty standard

clear sentinel
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i just need proof of concept so as long as i can get a few good games with a viable team and ima be alright

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its been ok so far since fire + fairy is an unresisted combo so i can rely on sleep talk

tender pecan
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Decent spike stacking core with ting-lu and ghold sitting in the back to keep up said spikes

tender pecan
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Consider this

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A steel type on the other side

clear sentinel
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ok yea

tender pecan
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Ok you can slam it with firey dance when you use sleep talk

clear sentinel
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its a 50/50 against ghold

tender pecan
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But you have a 1/3 chance of doing so

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Keep in mind sleep talk can call rest

clear sentinel
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yea

tender pecan
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And idk if I'm too willing to take that chance

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Also kleavor is an oddball pick

clear sentinel
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also btw on the forum post i put the tera type as fairy/water

tender pecan
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Scarf is pretty much the only way to reliably patch it's somewhat shaky speed tier so I can understand that if you really wanna use it you might as well scarf it but the moves are a bit, eh

clear sentinel
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i can link it for a full explanation if you want

clear sentinel
tender pecan
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Me too but unfortunately it's really shaky rn

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It has an unfortunate typing and no special bulk

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It functions somewhat as a suicide lead

clear sentinel
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yea its been useful against the annoying darkrais or ogerpon-ws

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also i dont have to lead with it

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i mostly use it as a speed control for the pokemon that arent boosted

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since it outspeeds everything without a scarf or speed booster

tender pecan
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I'll get back to you I have to go for a bit

clear sentinel
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ok cool

tender pecan
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Back

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Aight like the problem with kleavor is that it's basically the definition of hamurott at home

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Because it's trying to do the same thing but is pretty solidly worse at doing that said thing

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It does have, some traits

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130 base attack is nothing to scoff at and with a scarf you're throwing out fast attacks but it struggles as a scarfer because it's stab combination isn't that great

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Steel types stop you in your tracks and against them you'd be forced to switch and give up momentum or sack kleavor

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Thing is with stone axe in comparison to ceaseless edge is that stone axe loses its pressure factor like

spiral fable
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also rocks just isn't that in demand

tender pecan
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Immediately

clear sentinel
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cool so should i switch to hamurott and put rocks on tinglu?

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tbh as far as resttalk rona goes this is the best team i can make, since it suffers so bad against gouging fire and other volcaronas, so i need the kleavor

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its a flawed concept at the best i can make it so thanks for your time

tender pecan
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I get why kleavor seems appealing then but opportunity cost

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Sure you can jump waterpon and volc

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But only one at a time

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And once they realize you're scarfed that surprise factor goes away

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Plus they can always Tera in front of you and kleavor hits hard but not hard enough to take out waterpon after a Tera water

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Regardless yeah kleavor just seems more of a liability than a benefit here

clear sentinel
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cool ima change some stuff up on the team

glossy egret
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I’m trying to decide if I should use bolt instead of moon

spiral fable
# glossy egret https://pokepast.es/1733a68c881035dd

Drop gking, you don’t need a defensive pivot on HO, replace it with swords dance Val for speed control
Knock on oger kinda bad especially on HO where youd rather have the utility of encore or play rough
Don’t run 4 attack darkrai run nasty plot three attack

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Bolt is too slow for this team keep rmoon

cloud grotto
glossy egret
glossy egret
spiral fable
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Encore

sly mauve
ruby crest
sly mauve
real willow
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bro cannot understand the concept of patience

limber wadi
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thanks

ruby vale
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spare finch
stone onyx
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thoughts/changes on this qd volc rain team?

spiral fable
# stone onyx https://pokepast.es/bdcb460a49349ae7

i really dont think qd volc works, you coverage nothing that rain lacks and debatably make your wellspring matchup work
But, if you want to use it there's no stopping you
Drop steel beam on treads its your only bolt check swap on either ihead or volt switch up to you

spare finch
spiral fable
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please do not repost your teams we will get to them when we have the time

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especially since we can see your former post right there

spare finch
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sorry about that

stone onyx
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ive had problems with stall, do you think surf -> knock on peli and tera fighting -> dark on gambit could help?

spiral fable
spiral fable
# spare finch https://pokepast.es/df1769b84e2b7277 Can I get some suggestion from this team? h...

This team doesn't have a lot of synergy
This seems to be a bulky offense/balance team but this team is lacking a lot of features of said balance
You have meow(without uturn) which only fits on hazard stack balance(and even then it's meh)
You have bulk up tusk without speed booster which is weird, and also doesn't fit on this team(only fits on HO)
defensive ghold without a lot of hazards to take advantage of its hazard removal blocking abilities is weird
curse garg without any attacking moves besides salt doeesn't work
You don't have any heavy hitters but you also don't have the hazard pressure to make up for it, your team is heavily lacking defensively with no pivots to safely bring in your offensive mons, you don't have the speed control or defensive core to beat bo/ho but also don't have the offensive pressure necessary to beat balance and stall

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Unfortunatley I think the best thing to do is to scrap this team and use a sample team for now to learn the metagame, you can find the samples here

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!gen9ousamples

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spare finch
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ty, I will try some sample teams

stone onyx
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spiral fable
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Why are you running hstack on a Bo/HO team

stone onyx
spiral fable
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If you want sub volc best bet is probably screens HO

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You should also drop meow and swap zam to idbp

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Ghold doesn’t fit on HO unless it’s webs

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If you want glimm ho swap meow for Val swap ghold for gambit

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If you want atales HO swap meow for ddance kyurem swap ghold for gambit

stone onyx
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ty for the feedback

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im prob gonna go the glimm route

stone onyx
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is this good?

spiral fable
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Cm Val

stone onyx
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would i still be good against heatran?

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or should i run cm destiny bond moonblast and psyshock

spiral fable
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you don't really need to worry about heatran

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it's not a very viable mon rn

harsh junco
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https://pokepast.es/c8f7d45901611d60 yoo boys, i have a team, wanted to do screens + volc but didnt really wanted to do ninetales, so im using zama because no one gets a good lead vs zama

I just wanna sweep with volc

moon gets me vs stall with taunt

samu-h with sash gets me spikes and knock for the stall matchup + antioffense

i went with salac berry primarina because with screens up it takes forever to get low so i decided to try at something gimmicky with torrent, it has come up once but it saved me the game so, and outspeeds tusk with salac

serp mainly because i wanted the fire water grass core

spiral fable
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screens zamazenta is a war crime

dusky kindle
# harsh junco https://pokepast.es/c8f7d45901611d60 yoo boys, i have a team, wanted to do scree...

Screens dog why not it definitly has the bulk and speed to set them up multiple times. What's your plan against opposing hazards tho? Like glimmora leads against you gets up a tspike and a few layers and its not looking hot. Would suggest tusk somehwere maybe a rapid spin bulk up +atk version always hits nice with screens. Likely you would want to drop Roaring Moon for this as it serves a similar physical set up purpose but could do another one instead.

Another weakness i notice is to corviknight defog who is just gonna shut all your shit down and uturn out to whatever.

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I'm not a fan of hamurott on the team, i think you should swap tusk for hamurott instead of dropping rmoon

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yeah if hazards go up sash isnt happening anyway

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i usually dont recommend this but ghold might be a good fit on this team to alleviate your defog weakness + shore up your stall matchup

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power gem over energy ball and tera ghost on glimmora

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other than that this is just standard HO, might want to run eq on moon if you keep losing to gambit

harsh junco
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with moon and ghold?

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I forgot to include gholdengo

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i swaped out samu-h

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kept moon

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probably should do reverse

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added tusk

dusky kindle
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are tehy future sighting your tusk or what

harsh junco
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Im just bad, I keep getting every turn wrong with lando / glowking and the opps hos and shit

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o7

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you using it for reqs?

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no

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im too bad for reqs

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Pretty normal HO you got there, looks like it would do well vs most defensive and balanced teams. One main weakness I see is that you have absolutely no switchin to ground types. For example a booster speed great tusk. Your own tusk will be outsped and hit with ice spinner, tera raging bolt and shuca ghold only work once and don't outspeed. I can see what you're going for with more of a lure and ko ground type threats over being able to switch in directly but there are plenty of teams that stack tusk / gliscor / dragonite / roaring moon and others that all have ground moves potentially

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so put booster speed on tusk?

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as for how to deal with that, you could make tusk more defensive or more speedy, change ghold to balloon, swap tera types on ghold and bolt maybe?

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what to

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Fairy on bolt, flying on ghold

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Because ghold can come in more than once

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Gholdengo can hold another item then as well like covert cloak

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I might also make kingambit tera fire because you don't really have a good counter for standard wisp hex dragapult

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But the fairy raging bolt can also help there

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Helps vs stuff like nuzzle and mystical fire hatterene, lets you set up on salt cure Garganacl

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Also never frozen or have a spdf drop vs kyurem

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Garganacl is the main one

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Might have wanted a dark type instead of gholdengo/dragapult because I feel like opposing dragapult could be a problem

spiral fable
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Your knock absorbers struggle into weavile, and to a lesser extent meow, while you're also running 3 hazard weak mons on a team with no removal

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What is heatran doing here

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your defensive core is very weak, with heatran a its only spdef coverage and this team loses 6-0 to volc with tera blast

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you also have no knock off users?

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Looks like you took the raptor webs sample except
You removed gholdengo so you have no way of blocking removal with a team based around webs
You removed the defense invest that was on the sample on ribombee that probably stopped you from dying to lead triple axel (and glimms invest)
And you took manaphy off the manaphy webs and replaced it w volc, who tbh doesn't need webs to function
I would recommend not changing samples around because they're built by better players and you usually give up more matchups overall when you try to mess with them

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Been messing about on ladder with my wife ttar and it's been going pretty well, but heatran seems to be the weak link here in my testing. anyone have any suggestions to improve?
https://pokepast.es/40715b343c7f0693

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(also yeah ik that ttar set looks wack but trust me on this, it's based on a whole ton of calcs and testing lol)

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I kinda want to use ogerpon

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so ill probably just use the same team

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i haven't played pokemon for a while since gen 7 and i just recently started playing it again. can someone look over my team and give me suggestion?
https://pokepast.es/de1dab565022ff9a

dusky kindle
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Oh just saw sinistcha also hmmm

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Special Wallbreaker like cm encore valiant or NP darkrai would also be solid without adding on to the water + ground weaknesses

spiral fable
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chris you wanna take nexyr or?

dusky kindle
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Wym by that exactly

spiral fable
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do you want to do nexyr's team as well or can i do it

dusky kindle
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That is nexyrs team

spiral fable
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o sorry im stupid

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nikyu

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Sure lol

dusky kindle
# reef bay i haven't played pokemon for a while since gen 7 and i just recently started pla...

Hi, this is an odd looking team mostly due to your first pokemon. Grimmsnarl really doesn't serve much of a purpose here with just fake out status and pivoting. In gen 9 that's a bit of a waste of a slot (and especially vulnerable to common pokemon like great tusk and gholdengo).

If you want a dedicated lead I would suggest focus sash glimmora or Deoxys Speed. This also helps with your hazard problem as you have no removal.

Other than that your team isn't bad with some strong threats and good pivoting. Either of the changes can help with a kyurem problem as well. Landorus should be changed to a special attacking set instead of physical as you have enough physical guys. Try out those changes and see if that helps!

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https://pokepast.es/ba7e9d2cf3d131f9

the idea of the team is "me trying out latios" ended up doing a fat balance by accident, my problem with thiss team is that I really want zamazenta + mola + CM knock clef but I literally cannot put any of that here, juggling hazards is kinda hard

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https://pokepast.es/50220e9147cd0322
I snatched someones sand team off ladder and switched scarf val and scarf meow for waterpon and pult. The sets on zap and pex were from that team so they probably need to be changed, but i was wondering if there are any glaring weaknesses to fix/mons to change.

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This is just a modified spl team

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Though meowscarada is supposed to be heavy duty boots

ruby crest
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The team is supposed to have meow

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And scarf valiant

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I see

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not sure what psychic noise's niche on ribombee is but i saw it on sample set

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# hardy plover trying a rain team https://pokepast.es/c472645b03e920ca

Hi, decent creative rain team you have here, fits the general archetype well with a strong electric + dark in the back. Couple main things: by subbing zapdos for raging bolt you lose speed but gain bulk. Against threats like Ogerpon, Dragonite, and Rillaboom this is going to be your main check so it should probably be physically defensive to take a hit and hit back.

Secondly I have to point out your team simply dies to kyurem clicking freeze dry. This is a pretty common problem to all rain teams but usually they at least force it to choose between that and earth power or dragon pulse.

To remedy both of these issues I would suggest swapping out Quaquaval for Iron Treads or Roaring Moon for Kingambit. Adding a steel helps a little vs dragons, makes kyurem have to guess your switch, while still preserving your rapid spin and dark type options.

Here's an example paste with the changes https://pokepast.es/6d83b5d8008a3599

Be aware you still take 80+% from ogerpon-w ivy cudgel in rain but that is the plight of rain teams so just try to switch around it.

Also not sure what your Moon spread is supposed to be but I'ma let you cook

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# harsh junco https://pokepast.es/ba7e9d2cf3d131f9 the idea of the team is "me trying out lat...

non luster purge latios feels... wrong
your counterplay against opposing idbp zamazenta feels weak, tera steel shuts down all your checks except your own zam, which is vulnerable to hazards and can be chipped on the switch in
similarly, rmoon feels like it blows a lot of holes in this team, and zam kinda feels like your only resort against a lot of these physical threats which puts a lot of strain on it, especially if its the taunt variant

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idk your fat just doens't feel very... fat

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I guess yeah, should I drop latios and get something like ID BP Skarmory / Corv?

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And maybe boots zama

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prob corv and you can just run idbp roost filler (maybe uturn)

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i think idbp still has potential it just needs something else to help cover the physical threats

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https://pokepast.es/d1337e92c227ad30
Balance hazard stack.
Heatran can trap mons like glowking cause I love missing magma storm. Also flame body cause I’ve got 2 water types
Ting Lu is running covert cloak to switch in on garg, and alo can keep it alive generally.
Tera fly heavy slam on treads to resist cc valiant and dodge earth power enam while threatening ohko
Ebelt Darkria for that ohko on tusk and general speed tier.

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Also just learned heavy slam treads hits the lati’s for 120

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Might swap it for iron head for the kyurem matchup tho

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We will get to your teams when we have the time

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We can see your team that was posted 4 hours ago

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Faya will get to you 😭

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no they're just an alt account

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ignore em

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oh lol

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mb

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# coarse abyss https://pokepast.es/8ea29c6d4dd9af6b doing good with this one until now, anythin...

Unfortunately this team dones't really work
You have a weird mix of balance, bulky offense, and hyper offense on this team
Choice Scarf Glimmora is not a viable set, SD Rillaboom also isn't very good in this current meta
You have rocks Gliscor which is more balance/bo, but then glimmora which only fits on Hyper Offense, banded weavile on a team with no hazard removal and one that doesn't need the power that weavile offers, weird ev spreads on volc and gambit
Generally there just isn't a lot of synergy between these mons, you're split between a few different teamstyles so the team just doesn't work
I would recommend using a sample for now to get a better grasp of the structure of teams, you can find them here

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# tardy oracle https://pokepast.es/d1337e92c227ad30 Balance hazard stack. Heatran can trap mons...

You have 5 hazard weak mons with your only spinner being treads (which loses to gliscor/lando/ting lu), one time speed control in treads that wastes booster often because it's also your spinner that's meant to switch in often, wish mola is very exploitable, wellspring runs over this team completely after teraing to beat darkrai, and your defensive core in general is pretty weak (mola is really your only physical wall, with prim serving as a backup ig but it can't handle mons like Gambit or Moon, as Tera allows them to circumvent their weaknesses and you're gambling on scald burns), you have no way to deny hazard removal or punish it, and you also lack offensive pressure other than 4 attack darkrai which isn't enough

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This team just doesn’t work, it’s missing lot of roles that balance needs and your mons don’t synergize well together

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I would recommend using a sample for now, link above

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They’re banned now

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O

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Thought you were talking to me

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No

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Ok, my bad

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Im a bit slow

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This any good?

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Maybe Glowking could be chabged but I was stuck on a need for faiey answers

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There’s no reason to include webs in here unless that was the plan from the beginning

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# fiery sapphire https://pokepast.es/41174c7d8f91ed63 i feel like clef + ting lu + Galarian slowk...

When building balance you want to be sure you can pressure stall or else you will just be the less effective stall team in a mirror.

Deoxys is a decent mixed threat here but you probably want another win con besides Zamazenta. Ogerpon seems to be the odd one out here offering an immunity and backup physical attacker but doesn't help with any of zamazentas main checks like dragapult and gliscor. One sub you could consider is primarina. Either av or calm mind, pack tera ghost for blissey and dragonite.

Otherwise you should be able to rely on your defensive core, cause trouble with deoxys, and clean up with zama. I might put tera fire on zama just in case you need to dodge a wisp late game

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sure

ruby crest
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This type of question if better asked in #comp-general

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ok

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thanks

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# full swan https://pokepast.es/755f786285e04f57 Can this deal with Ribombee teams?

Ribombee will still be able to get up webs just fine vs you with this team, and things like manaphy will do a number on your slower pokemon. In practice talonflame isn't able to reliably defog on gholdengo without getting pressured out and or killed. If you really want something to deal with webs, I would recommend Triple Axel Weavile or Meowscarada, or Booster Energy Iron Crown to OHKO it through sash

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I will try the crown thanks

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okay

tender pecan
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since i can't here

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# silver pasture Does this team seem good? https://pokepast.es/3092b91d5e441262 also where can I ...

Your team is ok but has some issues. If your concept is hydrapple as a defensive centerpiece then you have to know that the first problem you need to solve is your ice weakness. Kyurem, Weavile, Meowscarada, even ninetales are going to force out the apple and you don't have a switch in at all. So subbing in an ice resist would be my first tip. This can also be addressed with a rocky helmet on corv for triple axel.

Off the top of my head valiant looks like the most out of place here especially with boots. Maybe try a bulky gholdengo set instead

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mag what is this

hollow bloom
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Its been generally fine (I've gotten up to 1750 so far with it, but I am struggling to consistently beat stuff like Gambit and Zama atm. Waterpon with trailblaze is also annoying

hollow bloom
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why do i see tickle mola, meowscarada, and non-mir ghold on my screen

hollow bloom
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With Colbur berry focus blast, it does a good job

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...if it hits

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Tickle Mola for Gouging and other setup mons

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Dragonite aswell

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I had volcarona over Fezendipti, but Fez is nicer into Darkrai, Primarina, and raging bolt which I have struggled against

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Fez is also a low tier mon so it gets extra clout for that

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mag this is an atrocity

hollow bloom
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nah..... don't say that....

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😭

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you did not cook with this one

hollow bloom
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Also I sent the wrong version

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This is the correct one

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i

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ok how do you break stall

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Uh so far I haven't face many good stalls.

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Psychic Noise Latios does a fine job in general

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But tera Steel clod or Dark blissey are problematic

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Was thinking of running trick on meow as well, but IDK what to replace

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Mola also gives a lot of leeway in messing up some lines vs stall from what I've played

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Fez can beat blissey in the 1v1 cause of Toxic chain

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ok but then they just haze clod and laugh at you

hollow bloom
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Is haze bad?

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I thought Amnesia was the play

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I can just get away with spamming psychic noise then right

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where is your psychic noise

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Oh that's on latios

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see the bad thing is clod pp stalls latios forever

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you're forced to immediately burn tera

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and then they can just pivot between clod and blissey, or mola, or pex if they're weird like that

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Yeah I am forced to burn Tera on Latios

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Though Latios is usually my go-to tera anyways

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Anyways, I think the crux of the team is T-Wave Ghold, Latios, and Mola. The issue is that plugging up the holes in the remaining 3 slots is difficult. Scarf Meow is good speed control and Tusk does a fine enough job at checking Gambit, but they aren't enough and its very easily to still lose to Gambit or Zama. Ogerpon-W also wins every speed tier with latios and beats it + outspeed meow with +2 Trailblaze (which it will get since it doesn't KO Tusk or Mola lmao)

hollow bloom
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this is certainly

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a team

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for sure

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tickle alo 😭

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I mean sure ig?

hollow bloom
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That's what you have to run to not auto lose to gouging

tender pecan
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I'd fish for burns with scald instead but yknow what

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why not

hollow bloom
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I don't make the rules

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in that case uhhh

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chilling water?

hollow bloom
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I think Gouging runs Covert cloak sometimes

tender pecan
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I've never seen cloak gouging but that might be me

hollow bloom
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Tickle is also nice for other mons like Waterpon

tender pecan
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what is fezandipiti doing on this team

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who invited my man blud

hollow bloom
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Checks Bolt, Primarina, and Darkrai

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Its mainly here for Darkrai

tender pecan
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I mean

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sure I suppose

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uhhh

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is there a win con or is this just

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actually what is this

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this isn't stall

hollow bloom
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Its more like Bulky offense

tender pecan
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you kinda need offence in bulky offence 😭

hollow bloom
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Latios is the offense

tender pecan
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latios and fezandipiti ig?

hollow bloom
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Not fez

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Ghold

tender pecan
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ghold has more of a utility set

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offence sets are usually nasty plot

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uhhhh

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why latios out of curiousity?

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Wanted to try it. Seemed like a good mon with Tera Steel to check Kyurem + good speed and ability to ignore hazards

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Its been fairly solid I'd say thus far

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Psychic noise is a nice tool

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it is but since its your offence, its a bit of a weak move

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like its only 75 bp?

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yea

tender pecan
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luster purge seems more useful no?

hollow bloom
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Nah. Psychic Noise is invaluable to prevent recovery attempts from mons like Corv, Skarm, Ghold, etc

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Psychic Noise also bypasses sub

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I feel skarm ghold and corv are a non issue when you have volc

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they aren't breaking the moth

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Skarm and corv are handled by ghold, yea but preventing them from recovering is crucial

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I mean like

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if they recover on volc

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then you just set up

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volc will break through unless they tera and even then they lack unaware

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skarm and corv also risk a flame body burn if they make contact

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you can just break through them rather than deny them recovery

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punish their passivity yk

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Yeah, but my point is that psychic Noise has done the job just fine. Denying other mons from recovering like Slack Off Gking, Kiss Hat + bypassing Substitue, and more PP make it better than luster purge from my exp.

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Also thank you for looking at it

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Yeah helmet would be the main thing I guess. I feel like glowking is a bit of a fake counter in that he switches in to ice beam technically but eventually he'll just get poisoned

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and your other mons are so slow that anytime kyurem is out in front of you it clicks ice beam for absolutely free

silver pasture
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err

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lol its late

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i meant frozen

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don't get me wrong you have a decent defensive core, I've built with apple myself

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I just know that ice is a concern with it

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making corv specially defensive could also help

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but then youre a bit weaker to weavile so its all a tradeoff

silver pasture
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👍

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if you wanted to lure the ice types you could maybe tech in something like heavy slam Ting LU

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Ok that's definitely a more actionable question. One somewhat simple change would be making Valiant special instead of physical, with thunderbolt even. It does decrease your wallbreaking power but you have multiple physical boosters already. You could also switch dragapult to a more offensive set considering sash, so could tech on tbolt, fire blast, even just Draco meteor for switch ins

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Okay, i'll make some changes and do more testing. I'm really feeling the pains of four move syndrome. Thank you!

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I just want to know what you think of my team

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this sure is gterrain, i would just recommend you run hawlucha over great tusk: it gives your team some desperately needed speed control and you don't really need hazard control with hatterene anyways, though if you still want to run tusk i'd recommend swapping to the booster energy speed bulk up set
You might want to run encore on waterpon instead of play rough but that's up to you
Make heatran a bulky spdef spread as it's meant to be a defensive mon on gterrain teams, and run rocks over wisp, as well as lefties and tera grass over air balloon and tera bug (air ballon pops way too easier and grass has a better defensive profile)
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Ah okay thanks

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# grizzled mural https://pokepast.es/5d707f0149339a02 Bulky offence Modifications and improvemen...

You kind of just put the 6 most effective defensive blanket checks on a team which means I'm not identifying any major weaknesses. My main question is what is the win condition you would be going for in most games? Depending what that is you could make various adjustments for example if you want to outlast/sweep with gliscor facade then some steel lures like switching flamethrower for Fire Blast on glowking and adding some special attack might be nice.

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Similarly if you want to sweep with kingambit then maybe something like tera fire or lum berry would help enable a sweep late game, which you would then have to adjust some other stuff to help with stall because you're losing the pressure of tera dark

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Aight ty

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Win con would be Kingambit

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But I do agree it’s a bit of a lacklustre team with nothing special

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I will make some adjustments and I will be back

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Gotcha, so yeah you'd want to try to lure and target his counters.

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I think I need a bit more offensive pressure

dusky kindle
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You could consider spikes instead of rocks on ting lu

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If you can get multiple layers up it really helps against things like booster tusk and lefties zama

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Although no knock off is kind of rough

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Might’ve made a HO team by accident

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# shrewd trench https://pokepast.es/8d5e1490d8982d87

You need adamant rilla no point in jolly, I'd run grassy seed on hatt (and you can run stored power with it) and as previously mentioned the heatran should be spdef. Personally I think air balloon is fine since it allows you to wisp stuff that has to waste a turn popping your balloon but you can also go w lefties
Lucha over waterpon, make tusk speed booster bulk up (bulk spin headlong ice spinner)
Gl hf

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Yeah I definitely should use adamant Rillaboom

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# grizzled mural https://pokepast.es/e5f3f43e0cc69e63 Resubmit for the bot to recognise

Hello, interesting squad you have here, big fan of iron moth on HO and tera ground is lethal. Though I would say this is more standard offense or even bulky offense than HO due to your bulky grounds and heatran.

Main hole for you is water attacks like Ogerpon-w. If it leads off against you with any of your guys it clicks U-turn or ivy cudgel for free. One change you could make easily to combat this is changing heatran for Volcanion. Basically has the same role with fire special offense and can even trap with fire spin, but it also gives you a water immunity. You still will have to pressure Oger to make sure it's not clicking sd power whip but this would at least give you one check. You could also do some fun stuff with like tera ghost will o wisp on that to lure and trap zamazenta and tusk.

Overall you are going to struggle vs opposing hazards especially webs so I would also consider swapping Glimmora in for Ting Lu since that fits your HO vibe a bit better.

Here's a paste with those changes https://pokepast.es/064db281efef4c32

limber bough
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Hey y'all, what team style would Gallade best be suited for in OU? Hyper Offense? Offense Balance?

dusky kindle
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Maybe sticky web HO?

limber bough
dusky kindle
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You could try that yeah just run like life orb or something for power then

grizzled mural
hollow patio
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# hollow patio Idk if I'm in the right channel. I would love to hear opinions on this team. I s...

Hi, welcome to the discord, this is definitely the right place. Your team has some good pokemon but some pretty significant weaknesses as well. Mandibuzz is definitely the most unusual pick and I don't exactly see why you've chosen it. When combined with Ting-Lu it's pretty redundant as they kind of cover a lot of the same threats. In theory you can switch in on Kingambit and Gholdengo but you don't realy do anything back to them so it's not a real counter. You would probably have more success if you switched Mandibuzz for something else. If you want a flying type, dragonite or corviknight could be good. If you just want physical defence, great tusk could be good. Rotom also should probably be more phsyically defensive instead of special since most of the things you will check with it are physical (like raging bolt, ogerpon-w, samurott-hisui). Only other small change I'd advise immediately is switching Body Press for Ruination on Ting Lu.

Overall it's not a bad team as you can pivot nicely between Rotom and Dragapult to apply pressure. If you add corv with U-turn that will also help with switching into stuff like Ogerpon, Meowscarada, Serperior, and Rillaboom.

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Thank you dude. Really detailed explanation I appreciate it.

clear sentinel
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https://pokepast.es/152c089821a514aa hey i tried making a team around alomomola + ursaluna as a balance core. hows the team, how could i improve and are there any glaring weaknesses

viral sableBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @dusky kindle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

fierce basin
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Zamazenta enjoys wish support maybe try slotting it

sly mauve
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https://pokepast.es/7764c57be2ec6b83 Didn't really check Smogon or any common OU teams, just went with vibes. - Yamima (I'm a dissociative alter. Look up DID/OSDD, we're a dissociative system.)

viral sableBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @dusky kindle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tender pecan
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Well "vibes" led to

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Uhhhh

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Something

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This isn't awful but there's no synergy here

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Also you have corv but no defog so no hazard removal

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Ttar doesn't serve much use on this team, you aren't really abusing sandstorm much, I suppose you can offset sandstorm chip with g-terrain but your opponent also gets that benefit

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And the team just feels very directionless

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Also you forgot to do Tera types lol

sly mauve
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Most notable is glowking's set

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It's a special tank it absolutely does not need to run assault vest

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Especially since it uses CR to make the best use of regenerator

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You're also a little susceptible to spikes stacking

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Everything else seems ok tho, Tera fire on gambit and dragon on glowking seem kinda odd tho

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Glowking gains more by making it's typing as defensively sound as possible when it terastalizes, dragon doesn't usually do that since most grass types don't really come near it, nor do electrics thanks to its special bulk

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I'd say make it steel

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Or water

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Aside from that it's pretty normal, I'm personally not a fan of sub volc but it can work for sure

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