[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tranquil niche]

Does look weak to raging bolt if heatran gets into +2 tbolt range

Especially since your tusk isn't offensive

[fiery sapphire]

Hmmm would offensive tusk be good enough or would that hurt the defensive core?

Could change rillaboom to sd

https://pokepast.es/b1f2e63691013cdc there

[ruby crest]

Honestly this looks solid except for the random Tran and rilla here

[fiery sapphire]

What should I use to replace tran and rilla

[ruby crest]

Replace rilla with glowking and Tran with Corv

[fiery sapphire]

Defog corv or a diff set

Also vest glow or chilly reception

Like this? https://pokepast.es/91e9c52ce3b3ad48

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/b79132162a7b6f8d like this

[tranquil niche]

Doesn't this actually get 6-0d by bolt now?

You removed his only answer being heatran

Toxic on glowking would fix it

[ruby crest]

not really

[tranquil niche]

you don't really have anything for it

[ruby crest]

gking sponges well and even better with Tera fairy, and bolt doesn’t even come into it

[tranquil niche]

Bolt can setup past it without toxic

Bolt can easily come on like wish on alomomola and just calm mind uo

[ruby crest]

yeah and u can fish for poison with sludge bomb pivot into pult into pult with draco

[tranquil niche]

Well you need to get lucky with sludge bomb poison at that piint

It easily lived darts or Draco and ohkos back with dragon pulse so yeah

I don't see the issue of just going

Toxic on glowking

[ruby crest]

yeah with what recovery is bolt getting when every Mon here easily chips it

[tranquil niche]

Fixes the issue and doesn't rly cost you much

[tranquil niche]

Grassy terrain from rillaboom and lefties

[ruby crest]

Use toxic and decrease ur mu against Mon u wanna cripple instead

[ruby crest]

Which is not always going to be the case

[tranquil niche]

Well if it's booster then your glowking gets broken thru easily

if it's lefties it just heals passively allowing it to outlast something like glowking if it doesn't get lucky with poison

[tranquil niche]

Like? Pretty sure toxic already cripples most things that twave does

[ruby crest]

Not necessarily

You miss out on gambit which is a huge Mon u want to para

[tranquil niche]

Honestly on this team id always pick beating bolt over gambit

[ruby crest]

I’m less concerned about raging bolt here compared to other mons like kyurem and ogerpon w which are much more unfavorable mu then raging volt

[ruby crest]

Absolutely not

[tranquil niche]

You have body press corv for gambit

While for bolt you have uh

Relying on sludge bomb poison

[tranquil niche]

Well yes

Balance is gonna have a rough matchup against those

[ruby crest]

no team should be weak to pult, gambit, zama, or ogerpon, acknowledging bolt is cool and all but this team is far from an easy 6-0 to it

[tranquil niche]

I think Zama is fine here

You just will o it with pult

As for ogerpon tho that's a problematic matchup

Although pult can work uh it's pretty rough

The ogerpon can predict pult and just ohko him on swap in and later sweep with SD

Ig you do have gambit priority tho

[fiery sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/e304b231be9e704b i made the edits

Also does corv not beat out water ogerpon

[tranquil niche]

Bolt looks worse then Zama here for sure

[ruby crest]

Do the mix spread I provided

U get a jump into defense and have enough spdef investment for specs pult stalls

really good into a pinch to switch around between gambit and gking in what moves in locks itself into

[ruby crest]

It really doesn’t

[tranquil niche]

Also won't you rather just go fairy over steel on tusk for breaking swipe gouging?

[ruby crest]

no

Breaking swipe gouge is dying

if you really really really are super paranoid for raging bolt the next best thing will be gliscor > great tusk at the cost of diminishing ur mu against gambits and friends and reliable hazard control

but raging bolt is the least of ur worries here

[tranquil niche]

Not sure if gliscor hells

helps

Does it even live a +1 booster dragon pulse

Ig it could be a bit heavy on spdef

Or speed to get a quick toxic off

[ruby crest]

I don’t think you can’t even fit toxic here since u need knock no tect is possible but makes predicting and getting ur own recovery harder even with an alo

[fiery sapphire]

Mixed set on what?

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/b79132162a7b6f8d just use this version of the team has all the changes that the team should be

[fiery sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/726409f0854eca87 there, any mons that need replacing?

[ruby crest]

looks good tera blast gambit is cool, u can also mess with low kick for opposing gambits and fatter darks as a mean to make pults life easier

[fiery sapphire]

I just like the idea of using tera fly to beat out the one mon that consistently walls kingambit other than like dozo

[ruby crest]

Either option is fine feel free to mess with to see which one u prefer

[azure pecan]

i mean if you tera you open yourself up to gliscor toxic, ice spinner from tusk, rocks chip

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/67906eb8fd1ba59c

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[craggy atlas]

https://pokepast.es/6475e6db4afd77bf I've done really well with this at around 1100-1200 elo, but I feel like it's missing something. Any pointers?

[fathom wraith]

you have a team that looks like both balance and ho

you should pick one

why are u using a glimmora lead if ur gonna have a blissey and skarm on ur team

[craggy atlas]

It was the set I got the most long term value out of

Idk if I was just playing it wrong but I couldn’t get the meteor beam set to work

Really all glim does is set tspikes

Otherwise it’s dead weight

Also it’s supposed to be a balance

[fathom wraith]

then if ur doing balance theres no point in using glim

its just gonna be a 5v6 and since tusk and glowking are some of the highest usage mons those tspikes wont be there for long

[craggy atlas]

I see

They also don’t need to be up that long, the goal with tspikes is just to spread status to set up pult

[fathom wraith]

yeah but u can get status up other ways

tspikes is just not very consistent if ur running a balance team

[sonic siren]

Feraligatr ho https://pokepast.es/1e0ca3bee7e650ad

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Veil HO is fine but you need to abuse it with powerful sweepers
Weavile isn't that good on HO you have better options, like Ddance Kyurem
Clefable similarly doesn't fit on HO as it's way too slow, run bulky kingambit instead
Drop Hoopa, it isn't a sweeper + it sucks in OU, if you want a special attacker use volcarona
I assume you know that feraligator is bad in OU and are fine with using an unviable mon

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/67906eb8fd1ba59c

[sonic siren]

Alr, only reason I ran clefable and hoopa was for stall

Couldn’t get past Dozo and blissey

[spiral fable]

There's no structure here, you have two choiced breakers but then a suicide lead and a stall mon in blissey? It doesn't have any synergy together, I would recommend scrapping the team and learning the common roles and teammates of these mons (you can find them on their smogon page), and then pick a team out from this thread, https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-suspect-process-round-11-voter-identification-thread.3738133/, and ladder with it to learn common team structures

[spiral fable]

what kinda teamstructure are you even going for here

if this is balance you shouldn't be running two mons that are effectively dead weight until they come in at the end of the game

[fathom wraith]

bulky offense

yeah idk why i threw valiant on there

i was gonna replace it

[spiral fable]

if this is bulky offense you shouldn't be running gliscor nor clef and make kyurem specs

[fathom wraith]

but idrk what i want instead

what instead of glis?

[spiral fable]

bulky tusk

*defensive tusk

make clef an offensive mon like boots pult with status

[fiery sapphire]

Ice spin doesnt ko and with wish amola keeping gambit healthy is fine. Though i am oddly enough having a difficult time against enemy kingambit mostly because without corv they can end up being really difficult.

Low kick does like 74% after an sd if its the offensive set

And still does 48% to defensive sets of tusk.

So low kick might be the way to go over tera fly tera blast.

[pine bloom]

y/n

(I made this out of my draft picks)

[spiral fable]

There is only 1 ou mon on this team

[pine bloom]

yes

I dont like OU or ubers mons

I'm pretty sure in 24 mons I've only picked two ou and two ubers mons

[spiral fable]

Ok well unfortunately A: this isn't the draft channel and B: we do not help those who impose unnecessary handicpas on themselves

[pine bloom]

I thought this was the rating channel

This isn't a draft team this is an OU-ish team I made out of my draft mons

I'm running this in OU

[spiral fable]

ok then yeah this team is completely unviable

once again, you're running a team of 5 lower tier mons in OU

[pine bloom]

this is tierist

alotales is UU and it's still usable

[spiral fable]

atales only fits on one archtype

and this team does not have atales

[pine bloom]

screens, snow, double dance

[spiral fable]

Please refer to rule 4 here

[storm adder]

https://pokepast.es/11fac1f71cf2271a i felt like i made a viable team for once is that true

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

ok there's a few issues with this team
first of all, why are you using victreebel? seriously, why? Swap it out for eject button hatterene
Tusk is alright but I would recommend a lefties set for more bulk
You already have speed control in hlilligant make wake booster spattack drop dragon pulse for flip turn
As for HLilligant, give it victory dance(its best move) over growth, or if you really want to boost attack ig you can run swords dance, and make it life orb its not around for longevity
I would drop gouging entirely honestly, swap it out for offensive to give yourself an option out of sun that's still pretty strong(alternatively you could run calm lefties raging bolt for another sun attacker, you need spattackers anyways)

[patent timber]

Well I mean its a sample team with the addition of victreebell

[patent timber]

https://pokepast.es/b6762368c2c2f61b

[spiral fable]

didnt we already rate this team

[patent timber]

i made improvements, it seemed to be good in matches i just want to know if you see any other weaknesses

[spiral fable]

well yes you ignored the advice about ceruledge kyurem and cloyster

[patent timber]

I mean, cloyster has not been doing so bad though you were right about the sash feeling useless, cerruledge has been doing great

I gave nintales encore and i have been able to do some stuff with nintales and cerruledge

[spiral fable]

If you don't want to follow the advice that's up to you but why are you posting it here again then

[patent timber]

fine my bad

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/7b727341382742be
Kingambit offense

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tranquil niche]

Had to scrap that team since hazard stack pretty much killed it
Replaced Lando t and rillaboom with kyurem great tusk

https://pokepast.es/c51812a42244b420
New team

[austere yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/9ea982d869aea42b

some things may seem confusing:

• icy wind on val to catch gliscor and Lando off guard
• tera fairy val just for more fire power
• sucker punch on pincurchin mainly for surprise purposes

If there are things to improve id be happy for feedback currently on 1636 elo

[storm adder]

Wait it is holy shit lmao lemme check

[spiral fable]

Eterrain really sucks in OU, but if you want to use it ig
Don't run toxic spikes on pincurchin when gking is one of the best mons in the tier, run spikes instead
Never run Supercell slam, especially with the prominence of Gliscor, Lando, and Tusk everywhere. Just run discharge with spattack investment on pincurchin, and thunder punch on hands/wild charge
Specs Val is alright but your coverage moves are pretty bad, moonblast 2hkos gliscor and lando anyways so you don't need icy wind, you outspeed everything except boulder with quark drive so you don't need vaccum wave swap it out for psyshock, drop icy wind for shadow ball to hit gking/you can run knock as well ig but shadow ball gets boosted by specs, and instead of destiny bond run trick in your last slot so you can cripple defensive mons
What's up with the Raging Bolt evs? Just run the Standard Calm Mind set on Smogon, I wouldn't recommend running rising voltage so you can have a better option outside of Terrain but that's up to you, drop draco for dpulse so you have a more consistent option
Drop Steel Beam on Treads for Stealth Rock, you dont' want to kill your only hazard remover early and rocks is just nice in general + you only have spikes on pincurchin anyways
I would recommend Close Combat instead of Sacred Sword on Iron Leaves for the higher power, and you might want to run attack booster instead but that's up to you
You probably want an offensive tera on Hands since its banded, it's up to you on which but I'd recommend either Ice or Fighting

[pale summit]

https://pokepast.es/509d4cdaf18ab737

Where does this go?

[nocturne dagger]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1208795569649356820

[austere yarrow]

Thanks a lot really imma try sum Changes

[tender pecan]

alternatively zing zap is another physical option for pincurchin

if you wanna stick with it

although its flinch chance will almost never come into play so just keep that in mind

[feral granite]

https://pokepast.es/d4836afd8fa33098
Been working on this one for a bit

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Unfortunately, this team doens't really work
What's the team structure you were trynig to go for here? You have 3 offensive sweepers, a specs mon, tinkaton? and a sash weavile
most of these sets are bad/unoptimal, you can find the most popular/best sets on their respective smogon pages
I would recommend runnign a pre-built team for now, here's a good veil team if you want to try it out
https://pokepast.es/a8345442ed3e3a66
You can find other good teams at this thread, just scroll through and look for pokepastes
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-suspect-process-round-11-voter-identification-thread.3738133/

[vocal plover]

https://pokepast.es/789c56e73c82c10b reposting this because i have ideas/questions:

1. how valuable is bulky gambit on this team specifically? could i get away with the offensive set with tera fairy tera blast for zama and tusk, or tera fighting low kick for opposing gambits?
2. how are my matchups against sun or hazard stack? what can i do both from teambuilding and during game to improve my odds; like what mons to tera or what mons on the team answer offensive threats like walking wake, and on hazard stack how to navigate between tusk and glowking for hazard removal
3. i like pivot pult because of spinblocking and burn as well as max spa draco 1hkoing gouging, but could specs pult provide more for this team? are there walls my team struggles to get past that specs could break through enough to warrant it over boots pivot? i justified using the pivot set over specs because i thought to myself that wellspring ogerpon can still wallbreak at +0; but i might need the extra power that specs provides for threats like gholdengo

if i'm honest this balance team (or bulky offense? i'm not sure which archetype this is) seems good as is - at least to me, 1378 rated - but i want to try to improve it and fix up flaws that i haven't seen yet

[stone coral]

https://pokepast.es/60b52bb020420a5a
regigigas

[brisk cedar]

This team has a single viable pokemon and it isn't a regi.

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/21e0c150f641111a anything to change?

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

how is my team?

[ruby crest]

Just send a normal pokepaste

[sly mauve]

ok fine
https://pokepast.es/737b3ec515d98f9e

[spiral fable]

ok ig you know that lokix is your shitmon of choice, at least give swords dance so you can fraud as a sweeper
drop dgleam on glimm for power gem to hit gliscor, drop spikes for ep to hit ghold and you dont really need spikes anyways rocks + tspikes is usually enough
Drop Tusk you don't need a spinner on this team it's ho, you can try the bulk up set with speed booster but id reccomend just running another sweeper like Roaring Moon
Run Calm Mind Val, not mixed val
Why does your gambit not have swords dance, run offensive gambit with glasses

Please refer to Smogon sets in the future when building teams, they are the most used sets for a reason

[sly mauve]

im not using lokix as a sweeper, i use it to revenge kill pokemon due its priority moves
i use dgleam on glimm in order to counter great tusk which is weak to fairy (also i already have counters for gliscor and ghold)
i use mixed val to deal with stall a little bit easier because cc can OHKO blissly and thunderbolt can 2HKO donozo

[spiral fable]

Ok im going to be honest no matter what your reasons are they are not good

[sly mauve]

also i don't use smogon sets because i feel like they were to be a bit too predictable

[spiral fable]

And?

people are always obssessed with being unpredictable, just because i nkow the great tusk is defensive with spin doesn't mean i can stop it from spinning away my hazards

Unless you are running some abomination of a set where you have compeltely changed a mon's role they're going to know what you're running anyways, might as well run the best moves for said set

As for Lokix, why do you need a revenge killer

You are HO

what are you trying to revenge kill? your sweepers can outspeed most anythign anyways without being slow and still being able to sweep afterwards

[brisk cedar]

||revenge killers are still good but there is a gambit already on the team||

[spiral fable]

They already have Val and Gambit they don't need lokix

Mixed val is a good idea in theory but in practice you get completely stonewalled by clodsire anyways so you might as well run calm mind

At least then you can run Psyshock and have a chance of breaking through Gliscor with Moonblast

[sly mauve]

Anything to change?

[spiral fable]

Dgleam on Glimm means you have no way to hit Gliscor which really sucks + you wont really get the opportunity to dgleam tusk since either way its spinning on you first turn then killing you second

252 SpA Glimmora Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Great Tusk: 290-342 (78.1 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
you dont even kill

[sly mauve]

Not to shit on you or anything but using glimm always means you are leading it so isn’t that being super predictable

?

[sly mauve]

leads only need to do one thing so there no need to be unpredictable with a lead

[spiral fable]

I don't have the time to do a big writeup rn but tldr you need some breaking power in the forms of a specs/banded mon or just a strong mon and you don't need gliscor since you already have rocks in tusk and this is bulky offense

also not a fan of primarina especially since its your only offensive spattacker which gets easily bowled over by ogerpon-wellspring

I would suggest pult, double status hex or specs both work for your breaking power and then maybe find something to replace primarina idk maybe you can try volc to have a better kyurem matchup

[sly mauve]

Bulky volc??

Or just all out offensive

[spiral fable]

you can try that, or offensive volc and you just run morning sun in 4th slot, you relaly just need something to answer kyurem

bulky volc with wisp might synergize well with hex pult as well if you want that

[sly mauve]

I’m not a big fan of hex pult but I’ll try both teams

[burnt tinsel]

How is this team? https://pokepast.es/32f87436880f13d4

[woven tree]

How's this for ya https://pokepast.es/e6e6685bc59367d8

[ruby crest]

just curious behind the mindset of iron val

not sure why u need to go defensive as iron val still provides handful of utility with its diverse movepool ur just minimizing damage output now

[woven tree]

It's a challenge

[woven tree]

Minimizing the output of damage for a more defensive and surprise to the opponent is funny, seeing them confuse when they didn't get the kill on my val

This team is on the fun side rather than a more competitive one

[ruby crest]

well i wouldnt say this would be the place to ask for rates, as we are always going to be rating teams based on competitive factors rather then fun and surprise factors

[woven tree]

I would still love for my team to be rated competitively

[ruby crest]

realistically its a very solid line up, not super convinced on meow and raging bolt, make this ep defensive lando-t, change the iron val set for something actual, change meowscarada with weavile, and replace raging bolt with glowking for a better spdef wall

https://pokepast.es/abc1fd1b9b77b9c8

[woven tree]

Thanks man, I appreciate your feedback

[ruby crest]

I will say be mindful against kingambit since the mu can be slightly rough

[woven tree]

mu? Could you elaborate on that? I'm still new to competitive pokemon

[brisk cedar]

matchup

[agile lynx]

https://pokepast.es/14b70fa4030542a1

Thoughts?

[viral sable]

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[agile lynx]

I haven't built an S/V OU team in a long time so the team probably sucks....

[fallen surge]

https://pokepast.es/39d5da38bde95d16

[tender pecan]

couple notable things

you have like, 2 leads here, ribombee and samurott, but also no form of hazard removal, so like, you can set up hazards but you're also really vulnerable to hazards yourself, like, say you led with samurott then ribombee, and they got up rocks, well then there goes ribombee's sash

secondly, where's the ground type? nearly every single modern competitive team has a ground type. its a general rule of thumb, they provide really nice offensive pressure and defensive backbone.

and finally, your team is littered with overlapping weaknesses with no real way to address them, fairy types threaten 3 members of your team and the other 3 are threatened by fire.

like this has way too many fundamental flaws

its a hyper offence team but one slip up and it just gets torn through

now as for advice, honestly I'd go back to the drawing board

like

I personally don't love ribombee in this meta tbh, sticky web is useful but without gholdengo to help keep up your hazards the value of it is severely degraded

[spiral fable]

What are you trying to run here? Webs HO? Spikes HO? You need to pick one, two leads is a waste
Never run choiced mons on HO, they're breakers and HO consists of setup sweepers, choiced mons are easy to play around and sink your momentum
If you're running Dark Glasses gambit always running tera dark
I would recommend scrapping the team for now and just running a sample, here's a good spikes HO team if you want
https://pokepast.es/bca1f85ee11a2283

[tender pecan]

^^

[spiral fable]

(your second and third points arent really necessary since its ho)

especially taht ground type part

[tender pecan]

ig so, I just typically think a ground type always strengthens the team

ground is just a very good type, especially on offence

[spiral fable]

There's no good ground-type sweepers in the tier rn unless you want to cope with booster tusk

[tender pecan]

and also yeah its ho but you compensate for overlapping weaknesses with overwhelming firepower which isn't really there yk

[agile lynx]

Tyty

Just one question tho, is there any way to run webs over spikes?

[spiral fable]

Webs is kinda mid in this meta but i can dig up a team if you want

[tender pecan]

the best webs setter is ribombee

so like

[agile lynx]

Well ...

[tender pecan]

if you wannna use it, its still your best bet

unless you want something goofy like masquerain

[agile lynx]

True

The thing is, I used a spikes ho team awhile ago but I wasn't able to use it properly

To be more specific, I couldn't figure out how to use Glimmora

[spiral fable]

-send out
-rocks
-toss out attacking moves until something kills you

[agile lynx]

Alr

[spiral fable]

spin every once in a while if thye try to set hazards

[agile lynx]

Also, would Roaring Moon work over Dragonite?

[tender pecan]

glimm is consistent

but predictable

[spiral fable]

yes

[tender pecan]

absolutely

[spiral fable]

Predictable is never bad btw

[tender pecan]

imo dnite is a little bit mid rn

[agile lynx]

Nice

[spiral fable]

Do not build with the idea of "I must surprise my opponent"

[agile lynx]

Alright

[tender pecan]

not saying it is, it just really has 1 set

aside from the occasional meteor beam

[agile lynx]

I haven't played S/V OU in a long time so I'm still a bit rusty with the meta

[tender pecan]

but it gets the job done

[night nebula]

new to competitive pokemon https://pokepast.es/1244e2a7a5914709

[tender pecan]

fair fair

[tender pecan]

hmmm, I think either skarm or ting lu should go

but preferably skarm

[night nebula]

any suggested replacements?

[spiral fable]

no what

[tender pecan]

I feel skarm can get up rocks itself no?

[spiral fable]

this is spikes stacking balance

[spiral fable]

Spikes stacking balance is alright but you always need to carry a knock mon + you probably want kyurem to be boots since your hazard removal is hella inconsistent
You don't need primarina when you already have gking + your previously mentioned poor hazard removal means it gets chipped down hella fast
You need some form of cleaner/sweeper
Drop Primarina drop cinderace slap boots on kyurem, and then I would recommend Weavile as your knocker of choice(though meow is another pick if you want a pivot over a stronger breaker), then I would recommend Volcarona in your last slot to shore up your kyurem matchup + give you a good cleaner that benefits from spikes

[tender pecan]

I feel there's a better hazard setter for those teams than skarm tho ngl

maybe I just don't think its very good rn

[spiral fable]

there really isnt

[tender pecan]

ig lando can like, kinda work on balance, but ting lu generally is better on that

and it can't replace skarm

[night nebula]

https://pokepast.es/b98e5b5dad74258a

[spiral fable]

yeah, id just recommend ruination and a different tera on ting lu

other than that looks good

[night nebula]

should i change ting lu nature

[tender pecan]

thats pretty aight

[spiral fable]

Ting-Lu @ Leftovers
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Poison
Careful Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Whirlwind
• Ruination
  run this

[night nebula]

okay i was just running heavy slam to kill val cus why not but thanks for the improvements

but i guess gloking already takes care of val

although i ran into phys val and got hit with knock off which through me off

[agile lynx]

@spiral fable srry to ping you again, but is there any way I could use Memento on Glimmora?

[spiral fable]

Eh I wouldn’t recommend it

You always need spin + power gem and earth power is very reliable coverage

[night nebula]

what are some good teammates for clodesire btw?

or a good core at least

[spiral fable]

Stall

[night nebula]

does he mainly shine on stall?

[spiral fable]

Yes

[night nebula]

okay

[spiral fable]

You can make him work on hella bulky balance though

[night nebula]

is there a bulky balance sample team?

[spiral fable]

Not one with clod, to my knowledge

[dense gull]

https://pokepast.es/745044471ae419d8

[spiral fable]

what's the team structure here?

[dense gull]

Im trying to go for a balance team

[tender pecan]

couple things

as said above if you wanna run black glasses on gambit go with tera dark to maximize sucker punch damage, otherwise you might as well run a different offensive item.

brick break on lando is a bit odd, honestly I'd go with the classic edgequake combo if you're running a phys set also I wouldn't run tera ground on it, tera water is my go to

Latios just kinda feels, out of place? I feel other pokemon can fill its role better, there's a lot of decent pivots and a lot of those pivots also have hazard removal which this team lacks

like, primarina is a better bulky pivot in that slot

I'd also maybe slap some boots on more pokemon, or try to fit a pokemon like iron treads somewhere on there

although the type overlap might not be ideal

[fiery sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/607023e7d5624d5e should I keep corv or use spdef glisc to help my match up against raging bolt.

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fiery sapphire]

Trying to think of why corv is here instead of glisc

[brisk crypt]

Balance team I've been working on
Not sure if Leftovers or Black Glasses works better for Gambit here
And considering Low Kick for Roaring Moon and opposing Kingambits, but unsure if Iron Head is ok to drop on this team
Also, would Bulky Tusk be better here?
If there are any glaring flaws please let me know

https://pokepast.es/2cb2bcd02c76654d

[ruby crest]

Pretty sure I rated this team, but Corv is primarily here because it gives u a defensive answer to opposing gliscor, some gambits, moon, lando, ogerpon-w, rilla and so much more going Gliscor over corv makes u even weaker to a bunch of those mons or struggle greatly, the only time u would do gliscor over something else here is over great tusk

[fiery sapphire]

Hmmm without tusk we dont have rapid spin, is it worth using over tusk?

[ruby crest]

Tusk is fine tho it should be bulky offensive not purely defensive here to give u some type of immediate breaker

[fiery sapphire]

So like bulk up then?

[ruby crest]

I literally rated this team there’s a reason why everything was with the changes I provided

[fiery sapphire]

You did, I know just had a question.

[burnt tinsel]

Any thoughts on my team? https://pokepast.es/32f87436880f13d4

[fiery sapphire]

Like bulk up or booster energy? Not sure what the evs would be for bulky offensive tusk unless its just the same as offensive bulk up or offensive utility.

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/80ac84f6cac62556 run the team like this, exactly like this no need to change anything from it, the only exception would prob be last move on gking for like tspikes or toxic

[spiral fable]

There's no synergy between this mon, you don't have a team structure in mind
You have Excadrill as your lead but it's far outclassed by Glimmora for HO teams and Great Tusk for bulky offense teams, then you have boots meow which is meant for balance teams, but also two swepeers in ddance dragapult and sd valiant, then a defensive wall in skeledirge and an unviable set in kingambit
Dragapult, Skeledirge, and Kingambit's sets are all bad, and you should refer to their smogon sets when you team build in the future
I would recommend you use a sample team for now, if you want to try HO here's a good glimmora team https://pokepast.es/bca1f85ee11a2283

[burnt tinsel]

Issue with me to is I'm also trying to build with the battlespot set in mind

Might be better off with my old team with clodsire and corviknight instead of excadrill and kingambit

So understandably from an OU side of things it's not good

[spiral fable]

teams really can't work as both a bss and ou team

[ruby crest]

i think if u want to get better at building i would say not have that battlespot mindset for sure, and just also get a grasp on what exactly u are trying to build for instead of slapping this mon because it might be good

just cause mons are ou doesnt mean they all work in any team especially when building a team that you will be needing certain checklist

[burnt tinsel]

Maybe I'd be better building for battlespot then rather than OU. Thanks for the input.

One last question: if I put clodsire instead of excadrill which is the better option: unaware or water absorb?

[spiral fable]

clodsire doesn't fit on this team at all

[burnt tinsel]

Was thinking for SR which would be best

I take it clodsire would be better on teams without this lineup

Or a different SR setter would be best

[spiral fable]

I would recommend you read through this post
#comp-general message
to get a quick rundown about common team structures, then use a sample team to learn more by facing them on ladder

It is best to learn the metagame first before you build

[burnt tinsel]

Alright, thank you

[burnt tinsel]

I think I'll look more into battlespot rather than OU, just wanted to use OU to give a bit more of an idea what pokemon might work better

Although I do like that glimmora set

[junior harness]

Ok, this is my first time trying to build a team in the most played tier, I have played in other tiers before and have some decent success I guess but I wanna see if this random ho I put together would work.(probably not and that’s why I am here) pls give me some suggestions.

https://pokepast.es/c29f103aa14893d7

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[junior harness]

Well I am still waiting

:/

And yes, I am super weak to fairy and fighting, so I need a way to deal with that without changing the archetype

[spiral fable]

first of all, we will get to your teams when we have the time

idk why you're using inner focus dnite and dnite in genreal isnt very good on ho drop it for rmoon
dont run spikes on glimm run rocks drop dazzling gleam for earth power to hit steels, run tera ghost to block spin
If you're going to run tusk you should run bulk up speed booster but i would recommend another mon like gouging fire
Darkrai on standard glimmora ho is iffy i would recommend standard qd volc instead

[junior harness]

I forgor

To change ability

But the questions are, what kind of gouging fire? The defensive dragon dance one or the max max one?

[spiral fable]

you can experiment but offensive is usually better

[junior harness]

Ok

Lemme make some changes

And for volt

Volc

Should I make it just max max or should I give it a bit of investment

Or just ball with modest max spa

Cuz dying to a single physical attack feels painful

[spiral fable]

just run the smogon set

[junior harness]

Ok max max it is

[hidden moth]

basically zero clue on what i'm doing
https://pokepast.es/f265d60886c9b890

[junior harness]

The defensive ddance gouging is here cuz I want a failsafe

So here is the reworked team

https://pokepast.es/8a1d65eb101c3417

[spiral fable]

i mean yeah that's the changes i suggested

[granite halo]

hydropump AND hurricane? i hate it already, beautiful

im winning...but like...common

[spiral fable]

you should probably take this to comp general

(also that is a 1 year old post)

[granite halo]

i ddint rea

[spiral fable]

honestly kinda impressed how you found it

[granite halo]

honestly im gonna just edit the moves hurricane and hydropump because i hate pain

so far enjoying the team tho

[jagged shore]

Hurricane isnt that bad

just send out pelliper

for rain

when ur ready to shit on them

[storm frigate]

Any way to optimize my sun team better

[restive swift]

https://pokepast.es/86f013a24cf30fae

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[burnt tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/9cd692852f35ddf7

Did a bit of a twist on the HO team to include some others I like using, and make it better for OU

Skeledirge might be meh here, but I like it can't die

[spiral fable]

Unfortunately this twist doesn’t work: choiced mons are detrimental on HO because you can’t exert the same offensive pressure when you locked into a move, while skeledirge is way too defensive for HO. I would recommend going back to the team pre-modifications

[burnt tinsel]

Part of the reason for Meowscarada is for knock off

The other limitation is I can't get raging bolt yet either :<

Of couse showdown it doesnt matter

Other thing is I am putting pokemon I like on it for outside smogon. I understand its not going to compete as well

[spiral fable]

I mean that’s cool then but why are you asking here for rates

If you have limitations/are not willing to make changes

[burnt tinsel]

Kinda a guideline more than anything

But def on showdown I could try the team sent

[hidden moth]

sooo.... am i good here?

[outer lark]

https://pokepast.es/006375a7a1d9f8cf
I've literally only lost 2 matches, and that was against fayawizard, and my bsf 💀

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

when did we play?

Also 4/6 mons on this team are uu or below

[outer lark]

Still I use it as my ou team, and have never lost a rated match

[spiral fable]

Ok but this team is still worse than any actual ou team

[outer lark]

Couple months ago

[outer lark]

Not really

I still win in 2000+ elo matches

[spiral fable]

Look if you're not willing to listen to the advice you're welcome to run what you want but don't post in this channel asking for help then

[spiral fable]

And I really doubt tihs

[outer lark]

Say every ou team is better isn't advice

[spiral fable]

Ok, well my advice is you're running 4 UU mons

Do not run 4 uu mons

replace them with ou mons

[outer lark]

Too bad, cuz its true, belive what you want

[outer lark]

Like what

[spiral fable]

Kingambit Roaring Moon Volcarona etc

[outer lark]

Monke is for Parting Shot which shuts down most special attacker's and nerfs qd and proto

Name another month that resists fairy and is super effective against fighting that has Parting shot

[spiral fable]

A full team would be like volc rmoon gambit Zama/Iron Val

[spiral fable]

None of these qualities are necessary

[outer lark]

What 💀

Pls explain

[spiral fable]

Why do you need a fairy resist + a mon to hit fighting + parting shot

when you are hyper offense

And thus running parting shot on any mon that's not your lead sinks your momentum

[outer lark]

I'm not an ho team 🤦‍♂️

[spiral fable]

You have glimmora + 4 sweepers you're ho

[outer lark]

I have ho like builds for my offense mons

[spiral fable]

This is ho

You are running a suicide lead + 3/4 setup sweepers

Poorly built HO, but HO

[outer lark]

Suicide?!

Bro he usually is the one that finishes the enemy 😂

[spiral fable]

Look if you refuse to take the advice you're welcome to but don't ask in here for advice then

[outer lark]

The only "advice" you've given is "change your entire team bc their not teired as ou, and your pivot that punishes, finishes, or shutdowns most mons..yeah get rid of that bc I don't like it" that's just straight up hate dude 💀

Advice would be like saying there's no need for fake out on a scarfed pivot

[spiral fable]

If you don't want to run a competitive team that's fine but if you come to this channel you must be willing to accept actual advice

[outer lark]

Well I've never learned what ag means, all Ik is that mega ryquaza is in that tier, and I don't care, also optimizing isn't changing all of your pokemon, and uu mons are viable and in ou, I'm pretty sure they mean like if I put urishifu instead of quackaval or sum like that

Again your not giving advice just basically saying "I don't like the pkmn you use"

[limber wadi]

that's a rather dismissive way to put it

[outer lark]

If you take it that way

[limber wadi]

if you're going to come in this channel to ask for advice please be open to said advice while keeping in mind that people here will give it according to what's strong in the tier

can we not

[limber wadi]

I find it difficult to take it any other way considering how nothing faya has said was anything close to what you claimed it to be

if this is going to be how you respond to criticism, don't ask for it here

[outer lark]

Explain?

[limber wadi]

you claimed faya wasn't giving advice and was just saying, and I quote, "Again your not giving advice just basically saying 'I don't like the pkmn you use'"

that is not close to what actually unfolded

[outer lark]

I want advice not opinions or criticism with no explanation

[limber wadi]

the advice was "don't use so many uu mons", to start

among other things but that seems to be what you're fixated on

[outer lark]

No it was not, what? 💀

[limber wadi]

.

[outer lark]

And what did I respond with?

[outer lark]

.

[limber wadi]

you said like what, and they gave you actual viable options

and they responded to that saying it was unnecessary, and then explained further when requested to

I do not see the issue here

[outer lark]

He just simplified what he said not an actual explanation 💀

That's why I said if your gonna give advice please explain so Ik what to change

[limber wadi]

.

[limber wadi]

.

[outer lark]

Yeah I'm still trying understand he means there?

So I just skipped it bc that just straight doesn't make sense

[limber wadi]

then ask for clarification

lol

[outer lark]

And monke is my lead

[outer lark]

First time I asked for that he just repeated himself, why would I want him to do that again

Also tf is momentum supposed to even mean

Like he shuts down a mon by out speeding the pivoting

[limber wadi]

they did explain it by pointing out the lack of importance of those qualities on the team structure you built

[outer lark]

And if a faulty spd weak mon comes in or a mon that's stacking or a mon that's one very low hp to out speed another mon of mine, they get finished

Monke is pretty much essential to the team

[limber wadi]

I doubt that

if you want to keep it nobody can stop you, but if you refuse to listen to criticism on it then why bother posting the team here

[outer lark]

Hol up

[outer lark]

Well I just wanted ppl to say I use mons weirdly, so then I can 1v1 and if there is something that I don't notice that's faulty about my stats or teras, could take care of it

Not "change your pkmn they are uu so I don't like them" or "the one support mon you have that also acts as a defensive, special atking, outspeeding, sweeper, it has no need*

[limber wadi]

this channel is for rating teams not looking for test games

[outer lark]

Also I've heard ppl tell me monke is bad for the team so I switched to cafable and lost like 10 times in a row

But then when I switched back to monke I won constantly

So that's why I'm arguing the point of monke

[limber wadi]

anything can work on low ladder

[outer lark]

If it was literally any other mon I would prolly try to listen

[outer lark]

Oh so I can't use another page so my main doesn't get leaked 💀 thanks, also on 3vfg I don't even play gen 9 ou

Actually I take that back I did a couple times when I was testing

But not that team ofc 💀

[limber wadi]

what

you have 500 games of ou on that account

[limber wadi]

regardless, if you're going to post a team here, it needs to be with the intention of it being rated and you also need to listen and consider the advice given

is that clear

[outer lark]

I don't know where you even see that at, and ig it just so happens that on the page I say I don't play ou on, I have exactly 500 games, what ever you say

[limber wadi]

you can look up how many ladder games a user has ok ps

[outer lark]

Okay fine, let's put this into consideration, the only mon I was given ig you could say advice on, was monke, so please explain, by that I mean, what other mon should I use in place if him? An ou supporter that is very good (defensely) on fairy that also works as a special revenge killer, that can pivot. I'll actually listen to it👂

[outer lark]

Yeah I know, I didn't mean it literally lol

[limber wadi]

you were told why you didn't need one

and still haven't listened to that

[outer lark]

Then what should I use in place?

[limber wadi]

.

[outer lark]

That's not even close to good

And I have zero team synergy with those mons

Also idk how to use them

And volc is literally already taken

[limber wadi]

you have team synergy bc it's HO

no it isn't

[outer lark]

I. Do. Not. Have. An. Ho. Team!

[limber wadi]

you literally do

[outer lark]

Please for the love of God, explain

[limber wadi]

it's a team centered around a suicide lead (glimmora) getting up hazards for a barrage of setup sweepers to break through the opposing team

that is the closest thing to a structure you have

[limber wadi]

and lose the sass

you could have asked faya at literally any moment to elaborate but refused to become you didn't like the answer

it's clear you're not getting it so

take this time to actually try to understand it instead of asking questions that have been answered multiple times at this point

[outer lark]

Glim isn't my lead
All of my offensive mons are set up
Sorry
I did ask faya to explain multiple times?
I am getting it, your just not giving me any direction
My phone died, what time? Also the only question I had still wasn't answered, and I have yet to get any elaboration on the mons to use on my team lol

[dapper summit]

Hey, I have posted my first time ever on the Forum earlier today. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/grimsnarl-incineroar-heat-1300s.3740100/ is the post with the pokepaste for the team being https://pokepast.es/3caa2fa1da8f2044 .
If anyone is interested in my reasoning for the Pokemon themselves, then please read through my post or ask me directly. Any form of constructive feedback is allowed. This includes switching multiple Pokemon, EV spreads, natures, moves, etc. My current rating is in the highs of 1300 - 1400, though I have hit the 1500s before. A big thank you in advance!

[fiery sapphire]

"Explains what an HO team is"

You:"counterpoint nuh-uh"

Their giving you an explanation of what your team is based off of what you are using, you immediately deny it and keep asking for an explanation.

[outer lark]

Doesn't look bad, only thing I see is that most of your stats are high Def, which isn't bad just that you don't need that on most of your team, you should either lower it and put some more spread out or just heavy hp, for example you don't really need that Def for gold bc most of his weaknesses are heavily special based attacks in the current meta so if I were you I'd just swap the Def and Spdef stats and see if that works, if it doesn't then swap Def and SpA for a decently bulky special sweeper

[outer lark]

I think people just need to make sense

[tender pecan]

Whilst I kinda get the theory of this team, imo for an offense team it has, a lot of really passive members?

Grimmsnarl is entirely passive as is gliscor, although it can make progress with knock off

Raging bolt is your obvious sweeper and I can tell by the Tera type that you're sorta trying to bait in stuff like tusk and surprise it with Tera ice tera blast

Gholdengo and contrary serperior are also there but imo idk if you wanna be running ghold a set that has nasty plot when you really want it to keep spikes up

Screen support is absolutely essential here and yeah you can reliability get them up but you really, really need to preserve grimmsnarl

Like honestly, a part of me thinks that ninetales is just more useful in that role

You do lose prankster and parting shot but in exchange you get 2 moves in one with aurora veil and also a non passive slot because of blizzard

It can work for sure, but because of your setup you're not leaving yourself much room for error

Like this feels like it needs some really precise play and setup

You have 3 pokemon acting passive and trying to make some progress with glisc grimm and incin and the rest are your firepower but I feel like you'll struggle against balance somewhat

Like waterpon has a relatively easy time with this other than serperior

And sure intimidate and parting shot support but at the end of the day wearing down an opponent with stat drops isn't the most consistent thing ever

Cause in singles setting up is easier cause that free turn on a passive threat is easier to come by

I kinda wanna try this myself because I'm curious but this seems like one mistake and it can begin to crumble

Also you don't have an obvious wallbreaker

All 3 of your firepower mons are setup sweepers than anything

Which isn't the best idea because then stuff like dondozo and clodsire can stop this team's biggest hitters in their tracks

[thin olive]

can someone review my team

[ruby crest]

send a pokepaste

[thin olive]

https://pokepast.es/9e000357c82c4894

[spiral fable]

What’s the team structure you are going for here? You have a screens setter for HO, but then pivot incineroar(which btw is just bad sorry), spikes setter gliscor which doesn’t fit on these style of teams, and defensive ghold

You have no speed control a very poor defensive core and lack the offensive threats necessary to make up for said poor defensive core, I would recommend scrapping the team for now and running a sample

[ruby crest]

What is ur main goal with this team or what is the focus around here

[thin olive]

i wantee

[thin olive]

i wanted an offensivley oreintated team focusing on samurott and ghold to help enable banded meow and iron moth

[ruby crest]

so ho?

[thin olive]

yea

[ruby crest]

honestly given this is what i assume is a hstack ho, cinderace is not a good pick for it as well as meowscarade given how there are a lot of other mosn that you would rather have to make better use of hstack

h samu we will change the set to boots 3 attacks, zama make this lefties id press, make np dengo more offensive oriented then bulky, replace cinderace with glimmora to give u sr that will serve more as ur primary lead, thenw e can do sd pr ogepon-w > meowscarade gives u a water immunity which is helpful against rain and also a great way to make progress against fat

https://pokepast.es/384e01038d9cd3ac something like this

[tender pecan]

I'd argue it's not even a defensive ghold, it's running nasty plot to try and amp up the damage output but the problem is that it's relying on getting free turns that it really doesn't have

Likewise with bolt

Because it's booster you preferably want to send it in and just keep it in

[spiral fable]

It’s running a defensive ev spread with recover

And once again that’s really not the biggest problem with the team

[tender pecan]

At that point why not just run twave

I can get it but it's a weird team that requires way too much going right to get value

[spiral fable]

Yes that is why I gave the advice I did

[tender pecan]

The team structure in general is somewhat wonky but two noticeable replacements could be cinderace for incin because it's actually fast has hazard removal and has immediate firepower in exchange for bulk, and grimmsnarl for something less passive but the whole thing needs a rework

And cinderace really doesn't fix the team alone

You take away more bulk for frailty

Anyway yeah you basically said what I said but more concise

[thin olive]

thanks for the team can i ask why was samurott changed and a less bulky dengo

everything else makes sense

[tender pecan]

Encore gives it more utility

Flip turn is nice and all for sure but encore helps samurott force a pokemon to switch out allowing it to get up a free ceaseless edge

Both are good but I think encore works better there

Albeit I prefer flip turn on most of my hamurott sets but also I like to run hamurott in goofy ways since samurott is easily a top 5 favourite pokemon for me lol

Salac berry swords dance is the future trust me

don't actually run that I only ran it in a draft for the surprise factor

[ruby crest]

As mentioned encore gives it really useful utility feel like u are under selling h samu with scarf, boots let’s it come in a be disruptive weakening stuff or making use of utility with knock and encore, or setting hazard up

[craggy atlas]

https://pokepast.es/d87ad880923cb006

would replacing darkrai with specs val be a good idea

it's the only gambit check i can think of that would fit on the team

[spiral fable]

What's the goal of this team?

You don't have reliable hazard control nor any setters, your defensive core is very weak but your offensive core isn't very strong

What playstyle were you going for here?

[vocal plover]

https://pokepast.es/b449155d8621f28e wondering if i should replace skarm with idef corv; it having u turn would help with keeping offensive momentum and it can probably still wall stuff like gouging gambit or zama which is what skarm is meant for

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Balance, I assume?

[vocal plover]

dunno what the difference between balance and BO is

but i'm fairly certain this is balance

oh you weren't asking me

oops

[spiral fable]

Bulky offense is focused around, well, offense, with 1-2 defensive mons that faciliate said offense

[spiral fable]

no that was for you

[vocal plover]

ah okay

[spiral fable]

Balance is focused more on an even defensive and offensive core that can handle dangerous threats through both defensive and offensive means

[vocal plover]

also considering encore > play rough on oger-w to find setup opportunities, but i find fairy coverage more valuable, at least personally

[spiral fable]

#comp-general message
good link here

[vocal plover]

mainly just debating whether to use corv over skarm

[spiral fable]

ill go in depth in a bit(busy rn) but from a short glance you'll need to keep a hazard setter somehow so

[vocal plover]

yeah i could use some general tips like what mons i need to watch out for

i hear tera grass volcarona

[vocal plover]

considered putting rocks on tusk but i have no move i'd consider dropping

[vocal plover]

ah yeah this is definitely balance, then

well. probably; glowking is my slow pivot and also allows for futureport shenanigans to pressure enemy mons, and skarm can idef body press to stop setup; given my other mons though i'd call this balance

i miss slowbro futureports from gen 8 tbh

[fast vector]

https://pokepast.es/e4168f2f5c8fa109 could I get some help?

[tender pecan]

sure!

first thing that comes to mind is that what team structure are you going for? you have a lot of very bulky mons like corv prim and glowking but this wouldn't really be a stall team. As you're not really using those pivots to wear down the opponent like how you would use clodsire. instead they're set up to provide team stability and be able to provide points of entry for your hard hitters

Speaking of hard hitters, where are they? you have rillaboom as a pretty decent wallbreaker and pivot which is good but beyond that you're somewhat lacking in that department. Darkrai is sort of a setup sweeper in this case? but substitute is a bit of an odd choice as Darkrai really doesn't have the bulk to make good use of substitute, I'd forgo it entirely for extra coverage.

Primarina is odd, its a bulky calm mind sweeper but you're lacking the actual, sweeping potential, your only attacks are draining kiss and psychic noise which are more common on the assault vest pivot set. these are perfectly fine moves but they don't really give you the firepower you want to truly be an effective setup sweeper, this is further hampered by the fact that primarina is certainly bulky enough to make use of substitute. but its somewhat middling speed means it'll more often than not take a hit then set up its substitute. it can work but I'd fix that moveset.

everything else is ok, but you need to really amplify your firepower, also this team doesn't strictly need glowking? primarina is already a special wall and you have a physical wall in corviknight, I'd say swap out one or the other for a sweeper so this team can really put some pressure, because atm its a bit too passive in the face of the myriad of wallbreakers populating the tier.

also I'd maybe run boots on corv to make its role as a hazard remover easier, it stops it from being worn down by rocks

lefties is fine tho

your team doesn't have any stand out weaknesses, its just too passive for what seems to be a balance team

[spiral fable]

This is an alright team, though you’ve got a few issues.
Not a fan of rillaboom here, especially since he’s your only speed control, but cannot revenge a lot of sweepers (any dragon, volc).
Really not a fan of primarina here, it’s slow and takes a few cms to really get going and still falls pretty to the very common threat of Ogerpon Wellspring, as well as other encore users like Iron Valiant.
I would swap Primarina for boots pult(or lefties if you’re feeling bold), double status is preferable but you can also run twave uturn instead, gives your team a measure of speed control + a way to handle ogerpon wellspring
Replace Rillaboom with Kingambit, gives you a strong cleaner that can also serve as an emergency check to Kyurem
Sub lefties darkrai doesn’t work imo, darkrai already suffers from 4mss when it’s trying to cram all of its coverage in and removing one of said coverage for sub means you can’t hit crucial targets(ting lu, zamazenta), I would drop sub for focus blast and run the 3 attack boots set

[acoustic osprey]

https://pokepast.es/5cfa3bc23ed6f4dd Came to get any criticism I can to make this team better for OU, any changes I can make?

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[ruby crest]

this team is unfortunately unviable

[spiral fable]

Ok well you’re running 4 UU or below mons and four of these sets are meant for VGC

[ruby crest]

i advise to check out this thread https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-suspect-process-round-11-voter-identification-thread.3738133/ with qualified teams to use to get a good grasp of the meta, and yeah half of these mons here are either not good in ou or just straight up unviable

[tender pecan]

this is a vgc esque team in a singles format, in doubles OU this would be pretty decent but this really isn't it for singles

[spare finch]

https://pokepast.es/e1eadff921ecc640 Here is my question : My team is very weak to Kingambit, so I need a Kingambit checker. Here is the common option : Great Tusk, Landorus-Therian, Samurott-Hisui, and Zamazenta. I have Excadrill, I don't need other ground type and spinner, such as Great Tusk, and Landorus-Therian. Samurott-Hisui is weak to Tera Blast Fairy and Fight, and can't do too much to Kingambit after Tera Fairy or Fight. Zamazenta looks great, but the one time Def boost is not that good. I need a mon can switch multiple times in the game that can do immediate damage to other mons. Then I find a mon named Keldeo-Resolute, Choice Specs gives it immediate power, Choice Specs is a clear one hit ko... Is that it? Nope, like what I said, my team is very weak to Kingambit, my opponent will keep it after Keldeo-Resolute is gone. Keldeo is also weak to Tera Blast Fairy, it's only can switch into Kingambit two times. Otherwise it's will die to Sucker Punch. I also want keep Excadrill, not Iron Treads. Just bc of the lack SpD can't switch into Fairy types too many times. I need a Fairy resist on my team, otherwise Enamorus or Iron Valiant will break through my team with Moonblast. Here is a example : Enamorus click the Earthpower for incoming Excadrill, Excadrill Tera Flying and click Iron Head. Kyurem is a Dondozo and Ogerpon-Wellspring checker, Manaphy's only attack move is Scald, which can't hit Ogerpon-Wellspring bc of the ability Water Absorb. What about Dondozo? It's has Unaware that can ignore all Manaphy's boost, and Rest to get rid of the burn.

[spiral fable]

link doens't work

[spare finch]

Manaphy @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Take Heart
• Scald
• Rest
• Sleep Talk

Rillaboom @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• Wood Hammer
• Knock Off
• U-turn

Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Shadow Ball
• Make It Rain
• Recover

Kyurem @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Ice Beam
• Freeze-Dry
• Earth Power

Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 208 HP / 252 SpD / 48 Spe
Careful Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Stealth Rock
• Iron Head
• High Horsepower

Keldeo-Resolute @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Surf
• Secret Sword
• Flip Turn
• Vacuum Wave

[spiral fable]

can you please put it into a working pokepaste

it makes it a lot easier to read

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[spare finch]

https://pokepast.es/a554170c956a6784 try this

[spiral fable]

yeah that works

[spare finch]

wonder why last one didn't work

[brisk cedar]

https://pokepast.es/acb3be6330ac97f1

the stall matchup fish that gets 6-0d by boots zama

[spiral fable]

Ok there's quite a few issues with this team, and I would recommend you scrap it
This team has three uu or lower mons
You are running three choiced mons, when you only need one to break through most teams and three is just a waste.
What is the goal of this team? It seems to be a Gterrain team, but it's lacking all of the key gterrain mons (ie hawlucha heatran etc)
Grassy Seed Manaphy just doesn't work, you completely blank into Ogerpon Wellspring + are setup fodder for any other encore mon and you struggle to break past the dragons of the tier like raging bolt which threaten you heavily
Ghold doesn't really do much for this team besides just being another spattacker ig, but your team is already struggling with speed issues and ghold only makes that problem worse
See above point about choiced mons for specs kyurem
You are running Excadrill with little speed investment? Why? It doesn't fit on this team at all, has to drop its best stab option, and still loses to great tusk if it packs CC, as well as not being that good in OU at all
Keldeo just isn't that good in OU in general + see above point about choiced mons

You don't have the defensive core nor the speed to handle faster offensive threats that threaten to sweep this team + there's not a lot of synergy between the mons unfortunately

I would recommend running a sample team for now, here's a good Spikes HO team that's pretty easy to pick up
https://pokepast.es/bca1f85ee11a2283

[spiral fable]

-Stall matchup fish
-Only 1 stallbreaker
fake ass team

[spare finch]

I just want to try Manaphy with Take Heart can wake up in on turn

[spiral fable]

I mean sure it's a neat gimmick but

Without the insane boost of tail glow you need quite afew boosts to get going

[ruby crest]

Why does this team get goobed by iron Val

[spiral fable]

and only water stab really doens't cut it in a tier with Ogerpon Wellspring

[spiral fable]

False, Sash Darkrai

Get goobed

[spare finch]

So I add Rillaboom and Freeze-Dry Kyurem

[spiral fable]

That's not enough to fix the team though

[ruby crest]

[spiral fable]

In general you have a severe lack of synergy between your mons

[spare finch]

Ghold is for encore Iron val

ye...

[spiral fable]

I mean sure but if its knock or shadow ball val ghold still loses

In general you shouldn't try to build around just one mon

You should build around a core

[spare finch]

I can't do too much about that...

[spiral fable]

Yeah which is why this team doesn't really work, unfortunately

[brisk cedar]

pon + darkspam

[spare finch]

https://pokepast.es/63643feede1795f9 What about this team? I need a mon that can fit Ludicolo spot, they ban Archaludon so I have no grass and electric resist.

and I sack Iron Treads early as a lead

[spiral fable]

idk why skewda is tera ghost change it back to tera water
why is raging bolt vest, it should be an offensive mon change it to calm mind over thunder
Do not run steel beam treads you need to keep it alive, run volt switch with either boots or eject button
There's no clean replacement for Arch (and you already have a grass + electric resist in raging bolt), but some common picks are kingdra, overqwil, or zapdos

rain in general is kinda bad rn though

[spare finch]

Raging bolt vest can help with tera ground iron moth, ko back with weather ball. I don't like clam mind in rain that it's waste rain turns. skewda tera ghost bc of Dragonite with e speed. I lost a lot of time bc of that.

[spiral fable]

You still die to all other forms of priority(Gambit sucker, Raging Bolt TClap, etc)
And Calm Mind makes Raging Bolt a much more potent threat, threatening OHKOs against targets that would otherwise 2hko it back + if you're against moth just sacc treads/switch in pelipper

[spare finch]

Thx! Its helps a lot!

[spiral fable]

Rain in general is kinda bad rn though so don’t expect that much consistency

[spare finch]

;_;

so what is the best weather team?

[spiral fable]

Sun

[spare finch]

https://pokepast.es/fc306b7cccd9acac Can u rate this sun team pls? Don't mad at me using av Raging bolt again...(it got Protosynthesis boost tho)

[spiral fable]

Once again you really do not need vest bolt

[spare finch]

okay...

[spiral fable]

This time even less so because sun doesn’t need to worry about weaknesses as much

You don’t need three choiced mons

Run calm mind lefties bolt, drop tusk for gambit, and gouging for HLilligant

[spare finch]

why gambit in sun?

[spiral fable]

Good cleaner

Operates out of sun

Don’t really need to worry about sun boosting opposing fire stab

[spare finch]

why?

[spiral fable]

Uncommon

Also make wake spattack booster

[spare finch]

oh

btw why HLilligant over gouging?

[spiral fable]

Speed control

[spare finch]

under sun or not

[spiral fable]

Under sun?

That’s its ability lol

[spare finch]

man, I just like choice band fire spam

and also hate Triple Axel miss

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/30aef8d77c819b38

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[stone onyx]

specs download pz webs, help is appreciated

[spiral fable]

ok well frankly pz is not viable in this tier but if you insist on using it ig you can

You built HO but then only one of your offensive mons is a sweeper

Webs, which is HO, should consist of 5 sweepers and a lead

Not 4 breakers 1 sweeper and a lead

Drop Tusk Drop Araquanid
You don't need a utility mon on HO, if you want to run a bulky fighting type that can handle gambit run ID Zamazenta
Ribombee is the far better webs setter than Araquanid
Make Ogerpon SD
Make PZ Nasty Plot 3 attack
Make Darkrai NP 3 attack, and idk why you have 29 hp evs but fix that
Drop Focus Blast Ghold for Psyshock
@stone onyx

[stone onyx]

ty, i appreciate the feedback

also 29 hp ivs are for life orb recoil

[vocal plover]

i don't mean to be a burden but it's been 24 hours

[spiral fable]

AHHH ok speedrun this is basically a bulky offense team which is fine we just need to tweak a few things switch tusk to a defensive rocks set drop skarm for volc

Alternatively you can also swap pult to a uturn status boots set in which case drop volc for kyurem instead but that's up to you

This pivots your team to be more offensive while still keeping mostly the same mons

If you find yourself struggling with HO you can also slot on something like mixed val over whatever you replaced skarm with (just keep pult specs for the breaker then/replace it with another choiced mon, preferably specs)

[fast vector]

do you have any tips for opposing darkrais? Ive been struggling abit against them

[spiral fable]

You can try dropping darkrai for volc/iron Val

If you drop darkrai for iron Val run the cm set

[vocal plover]

i'm running specs pult so i have a stallbreaker; my stall matchup get a bit more shoddy with pivot set

[spiral fable]

Double status hex pult is a nightmare for stall

Same with sub

[vocal plover]

no draco?

[spiral fable]

Ddarts

[vocal plover]

ah

and then volcarona > skarm

alright i can work with this

[vocal plover]

i assume bulky set?

[spiral fable]

Offensive preferably but bulky can work

[vocal plover]

i'll go with offensive, then

so now tusk is my physical wall

though i lose skarm's antisetup with idef bodypress against zama or gambit

what tera type is best for volcarona here

[spiral fable]

Tera Ground Tera Blast is an option, though if you want it to be less tera depedant giga drain tera grass is always a classic

[spare finch]

I know this is random. But Kami did u draw the Silver Wolf avatar?

[vocal plover]

look at my bio to find the artist

[vocal plover]

if i need grass stab isn't there oger-w horn leech anyway

then again yeah i would want to use my tera on something like gambit or ogerpon

i'll go with drain tera grass

https://pokepast.es/1b7f62482b7dcf34 so it should look like this?

i'd rather keep specs pult so i can still get stuff like 1hkos on gouging and dondozo after tera dragon

[spiral fable]

yeah, might want lefites on tusk that's up to you

[vocal plover]

i'd rather keep boots

[spare finch]

can u just tell me pls. I can't find it ;_;

[vocal plover]

i get tusk has an sr resist but i still prefer the safety net for hazard control over leftovers recovery; even if it would be good to have

[vocal plover]

i'll dm you

[vocal plover]

though there would probably be calcs that'd be 3hkos after leftovers recovery; and yeah tusk is an sr resist

i'll switch to leftovers
also yeah i should stop talking in this chat
cheers though, thanks for the help

how's my gouging matchup though? without tera dragon skarm, tera grass volc is kinda walled by gouging; great tusk's eqs can be weakened by breaking swipe; i still have specs pult with draco but then it could tera fairy, and there's no guarantee i can always be able to have pult up against gouging

i think the easy fix would be tera ground tera blast; more tera reliant but idm using it on volc

[spiral fable]

yeah that's fine

you can also make tusk lando t instead, though you'd have to make pult boots then

[vocal plover]

defog gets blocked by gholdengo

[spiral fable]

lando lost defog

im saying you can run a more boots heavy team and forgo the need for hazard removal

[vocal plover]

oops wait lando doesn't even get defog anymore

[vocal plover]

ah i see

[spiral fable]

though if you do this id recomend looking for a replacement for ogerpon as well then

[vocal plover]

getting knocked would hurt though; and there's stuff like meow and great tusk and weavile roaming around

and yeah oger replacement

i'll go with tera ground volc for gouging and keep tusk

[spiral fable]

i think your team can handle gouging as is

[vocal plover]

is it worth swapping oger-w to pivot instead of sd

wait no i'm running BO i can very reasonably run 3 sweepers

[hidden moth]

i took the idea out of a sample team (grassy terrain hawlucha) and i modify it by a bit to my liking, i guess this is now balance?

https://pokepast.es/20818bf07ddad961

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[hidden moth]

https://pokepast.es/48b618d20de3bec6

updated

[tender pecan]

this is pretty good but imo glowking over pex might be the better call since a bulky pivot would be a really useful addition, plus it also has regenerator and is also that bit more specially bulky

everything else seems fine tho

btw pex is still perfectly usable just glowking is generally better

[woven tree]

How's my team? https://pokepast.es/5a3e2c0db026a192

[viscid willow]

https://pokepast.es/de027a5fe01bd88a

[pulsar comet]

https://pokepast.es/4f5e46fe2ca28257 there's no way this team is any good i made it for fun, i'm just curious if others think it's any good

[indigo salmon]

https://pokepast.es/12b8a2728c7463f2 im pretty new to show down what do i need to change about this team?

[spiral fable]

Could’ve sworn I already rated this, but you’ve got a few issues

[hidden moth]

I already posted this but there's a few differences, and you should always ping me because else I might no read the message

[junior harness]

3 UU tier mons and that’s the thing that stands out, further details ask others.

[junior harness]

Same issue as that other team, 3 uu tier mons.

[junior harness]

Sandstorm gliscor says something…

[junior harness]

Wait, I thought choice items are bad on HO?

[viscid willow]

I changed the team around to

[junior harness]

Sees glim HO
Has a wish user
Bad

[viscid willow]

Dump Lando for Spin Rocks Tusk

[pulsar comet]

i was trying to make gliscor an answer to most stats that you kinda can't fight against with the correct counter

[spiral fable]

If you're running full gterrain, you should be running terrain extender rillaboom
Bulk Up tusk is far better on gterrain than boots (really likes the longevity + patches up your matchup into gambit)
change your heatran set back to the one used on the sample team, that one was optimized + you always need magma storm
I would recommend fire punch/encore over sub on hawlucha since you cna't really tank any htis anyways and the mons you really want to hi (ghld and the steel birds) dont care about sub
Specs latios doesn't fit on this team at all, go back to serp, which actually benefits from gterrain + isnt chioce locked
Pex just kinda sucks in OU, if you want a defensive physical mon you can run grassy seed hatterene with calm mind as a bulky win con that can tank a lot of hits

If you choose to run hatt you can explore dropping tusk for waterpon but that's up to you

[spiral fable]

this team is unfortunately unviable, none of these sets are good and 2 of these mons are uu and below

[spiral fable]

You're running webs but also a scarfer? What are you tryna outspeed scarf Deoxys-Speed?
HO never needs speed control unless its bundled in with another sweeper ie iron val with booster speed
Drop Meow and drop lando you don't need a rocker on webs
Swap Gholdengo to psyshock for better stall matchup, swap on offensive kingambit for meow, cm booster raging bolt for lando, and im a bit iffy about val and would like serp instead but that's up to you

[viscid willow]

I put on spin tusk over lando

[spiral fable]

(same thing applies for your tusk btw)

[viscid willow]

Fwiw

au

ah*

ty

[spiral fable]

You could try and run bulk up tusk with booster energy speed over bolt but then you're kinda weak on the special side and i would recommend dropping val for serp/at least making it a cm set at the very least

[pulsar comet]

could you give me suggestions on anything i could change about it? i'm completely set on the pokemon themselves because of the theming i made the team around but i'm open to suggestions besides that

[spiral fable]

if you want to run glimmora HO you don't need any defensive mons, drop mola
Ghold is too slow for these fast paced HO teams + you dont need it to spin block anyways
You don't need a banded mon on HO since you're stacking sweepers anyways
Don't run a mixed cleaner on HO
HO should be 1 lead 5 setup sweepers, nothing else
I would recommend scrapping the team for now, here's a good example of spikes ho
https://pokepast.es/bca1f85ee11a2283

[spiral fable]

Frankly I would have to entirely overhaul your team

It's not really salvagable

I would recommend simply scrapping it for now and running a sample team to learn the tier first, you can use the spikes HO i linked above

[pulsar comet]

that's not exactly helpful but thanks anyway

[spiral fable]

None of your sets are viable and 2 of your mons aren't even good in the tier

If you want an example of good sets to run you can find them each mon's respective showdown page, and they will usually have analysises as well that explain the reasoning behind said sets and usage tips

[spiral fable]

Iron Hands, Greninja, and Harcanine are all UU or lower mons: this means they are not viable enough in OU to see serious usage. I would recommend you start with a sample team for now to learn the tier, here's a fun balance team I've been playing around with lately
https://pokepast.es/d5c55e2cc8fb26f5

[queen grove]

https://pokepast.es/63875d4c6adbd279 currently using this team, strategy? none, just using what I dominate and using favorite mons

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[spiral fable]

Like you said, this team really has no strategy, or synergy
You have Webs Ribombee, which is meant for HO, but then you have a second suicide lead in scarf Hamurott?
Then, you have Gouging Fire as a sweeper, which is running an offensive spread, but it's also holding a defensive iitem with no booster as well as running Burning Bulwark?
You also have a Utility Tusk, which isn't meant for these HO teams, as well as a defensive clodsire, which sinks your momentum heavily while also not contributing much to the team, nor synergizing well with your team
I understand the desire to play with your favorites in a tier, but unfortunately this team is not good, and I would recommend scrapping it. If you want to run Webs HO, here's a team that I made that still keeps three of your mons (Bee Tusk Darkrai) while still improving on the rest
https://pokepast.es/eb953c2823416db7

[queen grove]

Aight bet! Thanks for the recomendations

[queen grove]

i have some questions of the team u sent: Why tusk has no fight stab, why gholdengo has psyshock, and what does bee skill swap do?

[spiral fable]

Tusk doesn’t need fighting stab to hit stuff, since ice spinner hits any flying types that ground types would struggle with + spin is nice, you can defo drop spin for cc if you want though
Ghold has psyshock to force Tera on clod/blissey, then you can try to break through with your other mons(if you really want to stall break, run SD Waterpon with encore over Tusk)
Skill swap ensures you can beat Hatterene which hard shuts down bee otherwise + messes with gliscor as well

Honestly not a fan of tusk on the team in general but that’s up to you

[queen grove]

I’ll try the tusk set and if doesn’t work for me i’ll lyk, and haven’t thought that skill swap was actually good. (I don’t like waterpon)

[hidden moth]

so what is my hazard removal

because i don't want to rely on magic bounce

[spiral fable]

Then don’t drop tusk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hidden moth]

would glowking work as a wall

[ruby crest]

why are u trying to add gking in ho?

[hidden moth]

i like glowking that's it

[ruby crest]

Ehh just because u like it doesn’t mean it’s going to be a beneficial Mon u want especially if the Mon doesn’t fit in the playstyle of the team

[nocturne dagger]

trying to get back into ou, my attempt at a balance https://pokepast.es/33ebee63bd6e6918

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[nocturne dagger]

it feels too weak to stall and garg

but idk how to fix that without making the team worse somewhere else

[fierce root]

https://pokepast.es/bec83efb7ada56d1 an old team I used to use haven’t played in a bit are there any improvements I can make ?

[queen grove]

https://pokepast.es/7326e24037e2da52 I also made this one (bored af) strategy? sun team, ik i don't have a chorophil mon, but i'm looking for one that I like.

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[ruby crest]

Rilla and clod are honestly really random picks here for sun, you want a chlorophyll mon is most likely goign to be h-lili, as for clodsire you can replace it with great tusk, also make gouging fire here with cb to be another primary breaker, and do Tera water on walking wake with flip turn > Tera blast, and also change the item in hatt for eject button and make this hw support hatterene

[hollow orchid]

https://pokepast.es/e42c86ecb0528b75 my first attempt at making a sun team. Not sure if EV's are good and of course welcome any help

[spiral fable]

Arboliva isn't good on sun, you don't need 3 choiced mons + choiced hlilligant is bad, weather ball is less reliable than flamethrower + protect is bad
I would recommend switching gouging to the 252 attack 252 speed ev spread
Drop arboliva for offensive kingambit with air balloon
Switch wake to a 252 spattack 252 speed ev spread, drop weather ball for flamethrower, and drop protect for flip turn
Switch hatterene's item to eject button
Drop choice band on hllilgant to life orb, drop spinner/taxel for victory dance and change it to tera fighting

[hollow orchid]

ty

will do

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/b935c74621772a81 thoughts?? i think maybe replacing alo and one of my offensive mons would be good but idk who else to use

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[toxic solstice]

https://pokepast.es/1476c2a19c8843c9
Any thoughts?

[tender pecan]

this isn't bad but I'd be careful of t-spikes

generally tho with lando you should be fine against those since special lando eats glimmora alive, which is where I'd run Earth power over eq for that reason, both are good but you have to take that into account.

I'd also maybe run draining kiss over surf on prim to give it some recovery

other than that I don't see a glaring problem

[tender pecan]

this also isn't too bad but you're lacking a bit in the firepower department

you have a lot of very defensive mons which you may not strictly need

glisc glowking and alo are very defensive, dragapult is a fast pivot with some supporting options leaving the powerful but frail darkrai and iron valiant to clean up

d-dance is an option on pult if you're feeling brave and if you don't want to change any mons

if you wanna swap out alo tho, waterpon is an option if you want to keep that water type, plus waterpon has decent oppurtunities to switch in thanks to water absorb

because ngl you're not making the best use of wish alo here

everything else seems good tho

[tender pecan]

https://pokepast.es/44493508a71a537e feel like I'm missing a lot with this team but have no clue what to change ngl

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[tender pecan]

should I put ghold to help keep up hazards?

also idk if I should run a different set on tusk

also all my attackers are physical so I feel like I need a special attacker

but idk where to put said special attacker

[left sentinel]

make your glim ghost type

tera

so if it gets hit then final hit will me spin, you can make sure it does not get spin off

i would recomend this set

Glimmora @ Focus Sash
Ability: Toxic Debris
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Mortal Spin
• Earth Power
• Power Gem

sr and t spikes are all you need on HO

if you really want use webs HO

[tender pecan]

I tend to stick to glimm for ho webs are a bit inconsistent at times

lots of things running boots these days

[left sentinel]

well that means they are not a choice item, leftovers, sash, or any type of resistene berry

also remember that glim can still hit very hard

this is a webs team i made in like, 10 minutes one time

https://pokepast.es/680b83e544c98383

it works but could use some tweaks

this is a tweaked sample team
https://pokepast.es/4cfeeb457c426af6

if you want to run HO

id recomend trying sample teams first before going right to making a team

then changing them to your likening

[tender pecan]

aight

[vapid hare]

https://pokepast.es/e7d33e2e59e8a246 hey fellas this is my first attempt at making a team, I kept it rly basic and made it just by reading the mon analysis and sample set stuff ngl

I wanted to make a bo team using the hsam and landot core

[left sentinel]

yo just a pet peave of mine but i like naming my teams based on what they are, do as you want but its just me lol

uh yeah, this team is pretty good

[vapid hare]

I forget to do that a lot lol my fault og

Nothing should be changed? Anything it may struggle against?

[left sentinel]

mabye some stall teams

but it will break through it

dozo may be difficult

[vapid hare]

Would tbolt instead of shadow ball on valiant fix this

[sly mauve]

Thanks a bunch I was really struggling

[left sentinel]

mabye?

i mean this team is really solid

if you want to

[vapid hare]

I'll just try and test stuff ty

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/28ec97ede9bb46dd havent done this in a bit

[spiral fable]

Something I’ve noticed lately is that you don’t seem to have a good grasp on team structures
For example, HO should be 1 lead 5 setup sweepers. This is because HO is all about applying loads of offensive pressure to overwhelm the opponent.
However, you have Gking on this team, which A: cannot hold up the defensive core of the team by itself, and B: sinks momentum of the team because even though you can pivot next turn, you give the opponent a turn or two to recover/switch in their own sweeper/set hazards, which you don’t want to do in HO.
The sweepers you’ve picked for this team are also subpar. Rillaboom is a horrible sweeper, and Ddance kyurem is limited to Veil HO, while Tusk is outclassed by more powerful sweepers on glim HO and life orb gambit is not a real set

I would recommend you run a sample team for now so you learn common team structures, and mons used on said team structures

Veti recently built a HO ish team and wrote an RMT about it, you can chekc it out here it's pretty good
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/kino-der-toten-sv-ou-anti-fat-darkspam-peaked-61-1874.3740466/

[spiral fable]

This team has a few issues, unfortunately
You have a very hazards weak team (Gouging + Hamurott, while val doesn't fair much better) but you don't have any removal of your own and taunt lando can only do so much to deny hazards
You also have ghold here but ghold fits on more balance teams that hstack and it always needs to pair with skarm/another spin punisher since once its balloon gets popped it cannot punish spin anymore from tusk
Choice Scarf Hamurott is iffy, you cannot keep up hazards that well due to reasons above + it doesn't really synergize well with the rest of the more offensive leaning team imo
You don't have a very good defensive core (its literally just lando + ig ghold but he aint tanking much) but your offensive core is lacking (breaking swipe gouging takes a bit to get going while val is a one and done mon, ghold is a defensive ev spread and slow)
I would recommend going for a sample team for now and laddering with it for a bit to gain more experience, here's a good balance team if you want to try it out
https://pokepast.es/d5c55e2cc8fb26f5

(accompanying rmt here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peaked-2-2018-elo-teal-mask-ogerpon-encore-fun.3739389/)

[fringe rapids]

https://pokepast.es/c27b7c9fa0d06cf6 Can I get some pointers for my water mono rain team?

My main issue is coverage for hazards, Pelipper used to be able to use defog but it no longer has that move in gen 9.

Swampert is supposed to replace Seismitoad (coverage for electric moves)

Qwilfish is for Pokemon I can't really do much to, so they're sort of like a last option.

I set up my Barraskewda differently from most people. Although it's a rain team, there's not much I can do against priority moves such as, thunderclap, grassy glide, and sucker punch.
Aqua jet cancels out thunderclap and Sucker punch (Not glassy glide obviously) so it lets me trick them into thinking I might do it again instead of using a stronger move.

Everything else is self explanatory, but any critique would be appreciated

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[spiral fable]

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[spiral fable]

Ok unfortunately your team has a lot of issues

Swampert, Ludicolo, and Qwilfish just aren’t good on rain

Sash Skewda is bad especially since you don’t have treads to remove hazards

and your kingrda set isn’t much better

[fierce root]

https://pokepast.es/f21d10b3767f7fe1 I think this is balance let me know how I can improve it

[vapid hare]

Is there any way to support the scarf hamurott+lando core better to keep the two?

And keep it more like bulky offense?

[spiral fable]

Drop ludicolo swampert qwilfish for
Lead eject button treads(you can find the set on its smogon page), for hazard removal and setting
Calm Mind Raging Bolt for an electric + grass resist while also offering power (check its smogon page)
Bulky kingambit with air balloon(cleaner against weakened teams)
Swap Kingdra to either the specs or life orb with hydro pump over surf, draco over dpulse, and flip turn over ice beam, with Tera dragon/water
Switch skewda back to its banded set

[spiral fable]

Eh

[vapid hare]

Even if its not scarf

[spiral fable]

The issue with hamurott on BO is that you’re saccing a team slot for a mon that’s relatively slow, doesn’t have high damage output, but also doesn’t offer that much defensive options either

• most of the time you want to click ceaseless you could just, yknow, attack

[vapid hare]

What teams does it even fit on then

Just ho?

[spiral fable]

No

Here one sec lemme try to figure out a BO team

Ok this is a bit scuffed but
Make Gouging ddance boots
Drop ghold for gking (though you can also drop pult, but I’d recommend ghold)
I’m really iffy about the Val set but that’s up to you ig

[vapid hare]

What other set

[spiral fable]

Mixed/SD

Calm mind theoretically should be fine though

I just don’t like CM Val in general, think it blanks into too much

[vapid hare]

I did cm to have a physical and special sweeper but the others seemed more appealing yea

I dont rly like cm sweepers in general

[spiral fable]

Stick to calm mind for now, see how it goes

[vapid hare]

Alr 1 sec

[tender pecan]

thanks I've been kinda struggling to iron out this team

[spiral fable]

Yeah I think it’ll be best if you just ladder with a pre built for a bit, learn the meta more

[tender pecan]

probably for the best, I usually run balance so HO is a bit out of my scope

[vapid hare]

https://pokepast.es/d4acd901ede4eb19

Thoughts? Anything it might struggle against?

[spiral fable]

Theoretically should be solid but you’ll really have to ladder and see

[vapid hare]

Ok I trust you

[spiral fable]

HO mu is a bit scuffed

[vapid hare]

I'll thug it out

If not I'll be back..

[quick ether]

https://pokepast.es/0f9b0d726735399b
any thoughts? main point is trying to set up veil, bring in kyurem and try to sweep (but in games kyurem is bad, tera stellar enamorus can try to do the same). it's been feeling ok so far but I feel like I can improve this still

[spiral fable]

So the issue is you have a HO team with 4 non sweepers
HO should be composed of 1 lead and 5 setup sweepers
Enamorus, being a choice scarfed mon, doesnt pack enough power for HO, and can be played around due to being choice locked
Hamurott is another suicide lead that shouldn't be fun when you already have atales, as you're just dedicating two slots to mons that are meant to die to enable their teammates
Banded Rillaboom is slow and choice locked, not fitting on fast pace veil teams
CInderace court change actively undermines you by removing your screns, as well as not packing enough power to fit on HO
I would recommend you run a pre-built team for now to learn common team structures and the mons used on them, here's a good veil HO https://pokepast.es/a8345442ed3e3a66

[quick ether]

funnily enough when i made the team i actually specifically wanted it to be more of a flexible offense kind of style than full on HO. but I'm guessing trying to set up veil + kyurem just doesn't work in that kind of team?

one thing i've been struggling to understand when it comes to team building is the line between regular offense and just straight up HO

[spiral fable]

HO has dedicated leads

ie ribombee on webs, atales/deo s on screens, and glimmora/deo s for hazards

These mons only fit on high tempo HO teams, as otherwise their field conditions(webs, screens, spikes/rocks) will get removed through defog, spin, court change, or simply stalling out screens turns

You need to back them up with powerful sweepers that try to overwhelm your opponent

Like Rillaboom is a good mon in the tier, but it allows Corviknight to come in, which can defog away your screens, or iron defense up on the resisted wood hammer/grassy glide/uturn, and then you're going to struggle to break through its high defense

[quick ether]

i get what you mean. i've definitely noticed that happening

thanks a lot, i feel like i understand it better now

[quick ether]

i LOVE that team you sent btw, i'm having a blast with it

i'm ngl i kind of struggled playing HO up until this point but now after you explained all that and showed me that team i think i'm putting it together now, I was just playing it wrong the whole time lol

[toxic solstice]

https://pokepast.es/266737c0553ec839
Any thoughts?

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[fiery sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/1d0abbf130fe319b figured that iron hands might possibly be viable given its uubl. Was making a gholdengo hazard stack and hands helps agaisnt kyurem, walking wake, and raging bolt so I figured it might be worth a try.

[dusky kindle]

Interesting squad here, I like the double assault vest core as it covers honestly a ton of the meta between them. You have a solid balance between special and physical offense and defense, and decent speed control with sucker and dragapult. The main weakness I can see is to opposing hazards especially spikes and toxic spikes. Spikes will really prevent iron crown from lasting long enough to wall the things it needs to wall like for example calm mind valiant. Obviously you have some prevention with taunt but something like ting lu can come in on a volt switch and spike for free. So generally I would advise trying to fit some removal in here somewhere, probably in the landorus slot by subbing for great tusk, Corviknight, or Skarmory

[dusky kindle]

This is a cool team, keeping it simple with hands plus hazards and not much else makes it probably pretty easy to play. Main thing I might check on is the grass weakness especially against like a grassy terrain team or vs various ogerpon forms. Choice band rillaboom gets a kill every time its in safely basically here. Maybe try to fit ice punch on Hands as a somewhat surprise? Alternatively you could change hands to tera flying or something instead as fighting really doesn't do much. You probably also won't click tera water on tusk unless you face rain so that could be poison maybe. Hands also seems pretty weak with this spread, maybe add some attack evs

[tender pecan]

https://pokepast.es/d9c963e81a680641 went off that sample and changed a couple members

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[tender pecan]

I don't particularly like using Darkrai without sleep so I swapped it for valiant

[brisk crypt]

https://pokepast.es/b4e6cdb890c35c19

Balance team that I've been having trouble building
Struggles vs Volcarona, and while I've been able to handle Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant in practice I don't think that'll last against better players

[fiery sapphire]

Honestly I was thinking of using defog corv and then using H samm instead of ogerpon with stealth rock ting lu

[fiery sapphire]

Think that would work?

[dusky kindle]

Maybe, your team ends up being very slow then so you would have to play pretty defensively which is not a great start when you don't have recovery on most of your guys

[fiery sapphire]

Actually wait

Tera enam > kingambit

[fierce basin]

D claw is bad on moon, run quake so you aren't walled by kingambit or taunt to break past phys def walls for other team members

[fiery sapphire]

Nope wood hamm and grassy 2-hit ko enam

I think the main replaceables are either king or ogerpon

[fiery sapphire]

Maybe bulky volc could be a start?

https://pokepast.es/c2ce07f0126525f7 maybe this

[dusky kindle]

Yeah I mean you're still slow. Just think about fast threats like roaring moon dd and try to imagine what to do against them

[fiery sapphire]

Hmmm maybe I might need to scrap double hazards

[dusky kindle]

I think just stick with your original idea and tweak it, it's not worth totally restarting the team. The idea of hazard stack plus hands is what you start with so just adjust the rest

[fiery sapphire]

Right hmm

https://pokepast.es/c9737aa3d6493bd5 does this even count as BO?

[vernal spoke]

https://pokepast.es/e25bc5e221005977 Gen 9 OU, I wanna remove Glowking since it blocks my morning sun heal too much. what can I swap for it

[tender pecan]

I mean

why not run torkoal

you have morning sun gouging and non booster tusk you might as well exploit the sun

unless you change your gouging set

you would have to change your team sorta drastically tho if you wanna commit to sun but its kinda this or that

[fiery sapphire]

Hmmm H samm is our speed control which beats pult, phys def hatt beats roaring moon, tusk and hands scare out kingambit, vested hands threatens walking wake, long neck, and kyurem. DD dnite serves as a ground immunity while also setting up for deadly e speed sweeps as more speed control, mons like gouging fire dont like phys def tusk or hat or scarf H samm, skarm and corv lose to hatt and really dont like iron hands.

[vernal spoke]

not rlly want sun

since the team is not around it

I'm thinking of garganacl

kinda wish it had teleport now

[dusky kindle]

Garg is decent, if you want more special defense you can go something like clodsire or clefable

Both would help against stuff like valiant and raging bolt like slowking does

[vernal spoke]

my garganacl is spdef for bolt and terra for valiant

and runs iron defense

clodsire kinda dies if valiant has a psyshock

[dusky kindle]

Yup that's true

[fiery sapphire]

What do you think of the changes I made? Opting for hat > ting lu and H samm > waterpon

[vernal spoke]

what terra should I run for them

Poison?

raging bolt aint the problem valiant is

[dusky kindle]

For Garg? Probably steel poison or water maybe

[vernal spoke]

aigh

I will run poison

[vernal spoke]

what item should I go for

covert cloak,leftovers,heavy duty boots

[fiery sapphire]

I think this team is the hazard stack I was looking got

[dusky kindle]

Garg usually needs leftovers

To benefit from protect

[fiery sapphire]

H samm helps so much with keeping spikes up while allowing us to outspeed major threats and revenge kill them.

E speed dnite helps us with priority and taking on rillaboom

Bulky ghold helps keep rapid spin from happening while also destroying garg and eating ground attacks

Iron hands beats most of the really annoying special attackers though I might mess with eq > heavy slam to hit long neck harder but...maybe not cuz d punch after it uses 1 draco should be enough to just force it out.

[fierce root]

https://pokepast.es/f21d10b3767f7fe1 how can I improve?

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[dusky kindle]

To me the weakest link here is rotom wash. Definitely plays into the roaring moon and valiant weaknesses as well as inviting any volcarona with a positive tera to set up. Your team is also a bit weak as a whole probably will have some trouble into bulkier structures and stall. Have you considered subbing in Primarina over rotom? Calm mind psychic noise with tera ghost and a lot of bulk will help vs all these threats

I guess it's decent into roaring moon but it's not the sturdiest stop

[brisk crypt]

Yeah, Wash is the 6th member that I've swapped around a lot but couldn't find something that clicked
I'll give Primarina a whirl
Is it worth changing Tusk to a Booster Energy set (either Attack or Speed + Bulk Up)?

[brisk crypt]

I'd originally added Wash with those EVs to live through two Knock Offs from Booster Attack Moon
But had forgotten about Taunt like a fool

[dusky kindle]

I think with balance boots is ok. Really just depends what you find yourself taking on with it. It will be your primary stop to dragonite so just try to set the set to beat that either with booster attack ice spinner or more physical defence

[green hill]

https://pokepast.es/a4e25db1348dee54

actually cracked

Dachsbun mvp

small change to the set on Vika to lure Iron Treads

https://pokepast.es/6b9e6c5e82e8029b

[spiral fable]

This is a PU team

This is the OU rates thread

PU thread is here https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1061136198208344084

[green hill]

im aware. This is a team of PU mons I picked for the OU tier for the fun of it. Hence the choice of Tera Blast on Vika specifically to lure Iron Treads

[ruby crest]

Well we don’t really rate gimmicky or for fun teams , as stated u are a asking for a recipe of disaster using pu teams exclusively in ou, but that’s up to you

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/89fbfdb07160c3ee love this team, any suggestions

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[spiral fable]

Ok so this doesn't really have a team structure? You slapped together 6 offensive mons without much consideration for their synergy and most of these sets are bad (life orb really isn't a good item in this meta + you have stuff like non cm lefties bolt)

[sly mauve]

Oh😦

[spiral fable]

Here's a good message that summarizes common team structures
#comp-general message

This structure looks closest to HO, so here's a HO team by Veti that's pretty decent, you can check out the rmt here(which explains each mon)
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/kino-der-toten-sv-ou-anti-fat-darkspam-peaked-61-1874.3740466/

[sly mauve]

Oki Tysm

[vocal plover]

https://pokepast.es/5be4ebca6f473881
made some changes but i'm still pretty damn weak to roaring moon - and to a better extent HO

[sly mauve]

Let’s battle 🔥

/j

[ruby crest]

Ain’t this a sample team

[vocal plover]

i didn't base it off the kyurem BO team

but it kinda just happened

specs pult and qd volcarona to pivot pult and specs kyurem

[ruby crest]

sounds about right

I don’t blame you