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[cloud blade]

Sorry im tired and off track

And all over the place

[spiral fable]

Blissey can wall volc even if clod tera steels

[cloud blade]

But that at least gives you the option

To double to valiant

[spiral fable]

Then they just switch back?

[cloud blade]

If u have these things

Thats why u need rocks

And knock pressure

Life orb deo

[spiral fable]

On what? HO?

[cloud blade]

With rocks

[spiral fable]

Dragon respectfully you’ve dragged this way off topic and this has lost all relevance to their team

[cloud blade]

Yeah

Im way off topic

Imma go take a nap

[spiral fable]

A: they are running screens
B: they have no knock users
C: even if they did HO will struggle to switch in and out constantly against the hazards stall stacks while stall blanks knock with gliscor

[sly mauve]

Should I run dhengo over valiant then

Or do I keep valiant

[cloud blade]

[sly mauve]

Also dragonite sucks

He’s getting replaced with moon

Or gouging

[spiral fable]

Dengo is kinda bad on non webs ho

too slow

[sly mauve]

Aight we keepin valiant then

But do I go gouging or moon in place of Dnite

[spiral fable]

moon

[sly mauve]

👍

Also I think I might test Hatterene over valiant

See how that goes

Since it gets stab psyshock

[spiral fable]

still walled by clod :(

[sly mauve]

Yeah but at least it forces a Tera

Which is something

[main mauve]

https://pokepast.es/1911308b11580b41 first time building ou in like a lot of months

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[sly mauve]

Make Treads special just trust

Steel Beam Earth Power

Other then that looks good

[green citrus]

U got 2 diff styles here

Grassy offence and bulky spikes stuff

Prob wanna commit one way or another

If u wanna do spikes stuff id make bolt boots or into another dragon like pult/kyu, make treads into a bulky ground like tinglu prob

Gliscor works too

Drop rilla for smth like ghold or gambit or zama etc

If u wanna go rilla route its fine to hard commit to abusers like lucha/hatt/heatran/zama/moon/bolt etc

[main mauve]

what kyurem set

[green citrus]

Boots or specs work

Same moves just draco freeze beam ep

Or focus blast if thats ur

Thing

@main mauve but yeah generally spikes shit is just boots/flyers and then like

Tinglu

[main mauve]

or gliscor

[green citrus]

Gliscor is a flyer

[main mauve]

true

[green citrus]

Running both is fine

I prefer both over running skarm

Skarm is painful

[main mauve]

so smth like kyurem dengo skarm glowking gliscor

what last

[green citrus]

Pult or zama

Fastmon

[main mauve]

makes sense

[green citrus]

Here u prob do zama cuz

Gambit fries

[main mauve]

https://pokepast.es/e2ec6bff4f57bd40

smth like this?

[sly mauve]

Beautiful

Actually you know what im stealing this

Oh but run iron defense Zama

[main mauve]

looks a bit weak to pult maybe @green citrus

[brisk cedar]

Tera gholdengo is one of the best if not the best pult answer but yeah

That needs tera and can't swap in before

[green citrus]

Do ting over glisc or skarm

Btw both of them got spikes rn

Prob want rocks

One other issue with this rn is no knock user which can suck into fat mirror

[main mauve]

how do i fit one tho

[green citrus]

Over ghold prob idk

Hm

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/531be402e9ed2362
funny stall team or something idk

[ruby crest]

Ain’t this just hydrapple stall sample but with clef > alo ..

[tranquil niche]

I didn't see the sample

I wanted to cook my own team around hydrapple

so I just slapped it onto the most generic defensive core

Probably is a sample considering how generic the defensive core is tbh

[ruby crest]

Yeah it’s really hard distinguishing urself from other stalls since you would run the same mons a lot of team , tho fwiw when you do hydrapple in stall u do sticky hold

[tranquil niche]

What moveset for hydrapple on sticky hold

[ruby crest]

Recover giga drain bpress and Tera blast is what the sample runs tho everything is very specific in that team

If you want more info I recommend reading the rmt associated with it

[tranquil niche]

alr

Wouldn't you want nasty plot tho

Because otherwise the team will be even more passive

[ruby crest]

not necessarily what are you even beating without spa investment since you mostly want the bulk investment to better check mons especially knock off users

[tranquil niche]

Also would recover giga drain bpress fickle beam be better

I don't rly see why to run tera blast ice

Or like dragon pulse over fickle beam for pp

[ruby crest]

Like I said read the rmt they have there reasons in using it

Mainly hitting offensive Gliscor can be super handy since u relatively check it

[cloud blade]

Here lemme fix it https://pokepast.es/300076926b180c62

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[cloud blade]

Amoonguss is placeholder set (sorry for ping)

[spiral fable]

?????

[cloud blade]

Oops that wasnt for rate

[spiral fable]

this team has a few issues

ill go over them later

[cloud blade]

The amoonguss was anti oger and gouging post tera flying basically

[main mauve]

uhh if i do this w the original team,what do i change

[brisk cedar]

https://pokepast.es/4bcfea8a2440f4e8

tera blast spam special overload ho

[patent timber]

https://pokepast.es/8079ead51d528e75

Snow team, any tips?

[spiral fable]

Not a fan of sash pult on this team
I assume tusk is there for gambit?
This team feels kinda slow especially with bolt, you're going to have to be careful around waterpon and rmoon, maybe swap bolt for serp?
Two tera blast mon feels kinda wasteful, why not offensive volc?

[brisk cedar]

Without sash pult it loses to volcarona 6-0

serp isn't going to help vs moon and waterpon is very easy to beat with this

I have double (triple) dragon, valiant, tusk, tspikes and rocks

[spiral fable]

if you're confident then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sly mauve]

We found a winner boys

DeoS is so back

[spiral fable]

WRONG CHANNEL RAH did you post the team here before or something?

[sly mauve]

Yes

You literally helped me build it lol

I was gonna thank u

[spiral fable]

i forget a lot of teams 😭

[sly mauve]

It’s cool lmao

[spiral fable]

i think we had like 4 webs teams unironically in the past week or so

[sly mauve]

Webs is popular but ultimately flawed imo

[spiral fable]

o wait its the dnite webs isnt it

[sly mauve]

Too much priority running around right now

[sly mauve]

DeoS

Screens

[spiral fable]

-webs wayne
-runs screens
fake ass fan

[sly mauve]

Webs Wayne is just the name of my alt lol

Too lazy to change it

[spiral fable]

anyways speaking of screens

[sly mauve]

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[spiral fable]

So this team has a lot of issues
If you want to run a Veil team, you need to make it Hyper Offense. Therefore, Gking is not necessary.
Tusk is alright on veil but the set you are running is not good. You can find a list of sets used for Tusk on it's smogon page, and for veil you should run its offensive bulk up set, with headlong rush and either close combat or rapid spin(you can run tera poison or ice up to you)
Similarly, you should run either encore or snowscape on Atales. I would recommend snowscape to beat opposing sun.
Cloyster just isn't good and you have much better options, sash is easy to break especially since atales has no way to deny hazards
If you want to run Kyurem on HO it should be a setup sweeper, run the Loaded Dice Ddance set with either freeze dry, tera blast ground, or earth power as coverage
Ceruledge also isn't very good and, similar to cloyster, you also have much better options that dont rely on a sash
I would replace Cloyster, Ceruledge, and Gking with Volcarona(The offensive giga drain set), bulky Kingambit(lefties or air balloon is up to you), and I would recommend Calm Mind Raging Bolt in your last slot

If you're confused about any of their setes just check their smogon page to find em

[sly mauve]

Oh veil my expertise

Here lemme help

[spiral fable]

i already did a rate smh

[sly mauve]

Yeah but you forgot to mention the best veil abuser

Also raging bolt isn’t that good on veil trust, especially if your running Volc

[spiral fable]

you must believe in my long neck boy

[sly mauve]

Look man he’s good but on veil

He’s kinda mid

[spiral fable]

hater

[sly mauve]

You already have priorty in gambit

[spiral fable]

jealous cuz you aint him

[sly mauve]

Shut up and let me cope

Thank you

Anyways honestly ceruledge could work but don’t run sash on veil lmao

Boots would be better

[spiral fable]

eh at that point you might as well just run a mon like rmoon or zama

[sly mauve]

Roaring Moon is heat

Actually yeah run Roaring Moon instead

Here lemme make a pokepaste

Also wait why the hell are you running dark pulse on ninetales

AND NO ENCORE?!

https://pokepast.es/033ed634dfc9b235

There, I also tried to make Cloyster work since using your favorites is cool or something, but if you wanna have an easier time laddering use dd Kyurem instead

Cloyster can be better in certain scenarios though cause it can run boots

Wait this looks familiar

[clear sentinel]

hows this team looking i tried it a bit and its working in low ladder https://pokepast.es/e6159658837ff5ef

[sly mauve]

Run dragapult over Cinderace

No point in Cinderace without court change

Dragapult @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 76 Atk / 180 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Dragon Darts
• Hex
• Will-O-Wisp
• U-turn

Also maybe run leftovers on bolt instead of booster energy

Or if you want or go for a more balanced approach run utility tusk with bulky court change Cinderace

Up to you

[spiral fable]

Why are you running suicide lead treads if you aren’t running full ho

That’s just a waste

[sly mauve]

^

Tusk would be better overall for utility

[storm adder]

https://pokepast.es/4c79137efe5e85c6
I made an ho team with my shitpost hattrene build lmao

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[sly mauve]

Run raging bolt over Iron Moth

Also go scarf Ribombee with trick trust

Cinderace on webs is extremely questionable

Run Zama if u want a physical wall

Go lefties on Hatterene

[spiral fable]

do not run scarf ribombee

cinderace actively undermines you on webs drop it + its not even a set up sweeper

[sly mauve]

It sounds bad in theory but in practice it works

[spiral fable]

Drop quaquaval it isn't good and you have far better options

[sly mauve]

Yeah abouta say go moon or smth

[spiral fable]

ah yes i love losing turn one to tusk fun

[sly mauve]

NO ONE LEADS TUSK INTO RIBOMBEE-

[spiral fable]

you'd be surprised at the shit ive seen

[sly mauve]

I’ve played so many battles with webs

And it’s never happened once to me

[spiral fable]

also you have no way to deny glimmora

besides ig tricking it but then you gave them a free scarf which they can use to mortal spin later

[sly mauve]

Oh right he doesn’t have dhengo

[spiral fable]

webs needs ghold or else its not webs

yeah

[sly mauve]

The Hatterene set is so ass tho

I know it’s supposed to be funny but

[spiral fable]

ig that's their shitmon of choice

you cant judge you tried to run shiftry on sun

[sly mauve]

Is this how u feel

[spiral fable]

yes

[sly mauve]

I get it now lol

[brisk cedar]

Moonblast.

[sly mauve]

Anyways run dhengo instead of the duck

[sly mauve]

EXACTLY-

[spiral fable]

sorry, turn 2 when they bring in the tusk

[sly mauve]

Plus the interaction never happens

[brisk cedar]

You can also run something like gambit

[sly mauve]

That’s what dhengo is for

[brisk cedar]

They can't get tusk chipped

Or dead to moonblast t1

[spiral fable]

scarf bee is fake if you really hate weavile that much just run the evs necessary to survive taxel and call it a day

[sly mauve]

Well it’s not just that

Offensive Volcarona eats sash Ribombee for breakfast

[spiral fable]

sorry if you also hate uu mon deoxys speed as well

[spiral fable]

mf you got stun spore for a reason

[sly mauve]

Tera Grass

Then what

It’s predictable

[spiral fable]

revenge with gambit after you chip with moonblast?

[sly mauve]

And then u lose

[spiral fable]

ez

[sly mauve]

That’s a 50/50

You’re betting the matchup on luck

[spiral fable]

you're literally running webs

this entire shit is luck

[sly mauve]

Exactly

So you should try to maximize it

Since you lose to phat teams

[spiral fable]

you lose turn 1 to cinderace i really dont think a 50/50 against volc is the worst of your problems

[sly mauve]

That too

U can trick Cinderace

[spiral fable]

...and give it a way to outspeed your mons so they can click court change

great

[sly mauve]

Well now they’re locked into it

Free set up turn

[spiral fable]

what set up mf

[sly mauve]

Can’t wisp

The 5 set up mons you have in the back

[spiral fable]

yeah you switch in they switch out

[sly mauve]

And their speed drops

Cause they court change turn one

[dull pasture]

disgusting

[spiral fable]

ok so you're saying that somehow you trick them turn 1, and then you also set up on them turn 2 while also someone setting webs between that time and getting a sweeper in

[sly mauve]

U switch out

[spiral fable]

ok and they switch out turn 2 as well?

[sly mauve]

They’re gonna keep spamming it so u don’t set up webs

[sly mauve]

No cause then u get webs up

[spiral fable]

unless your opponent is an idiot they're going to realize "they know im locked court change they wont set webs"

[sly mauve]

Wait why are we even having this conversation

Ribombee isn’t the anti Cinderace measure

That’s what Serperior is for

[spiral fable]

...so just run sash bee

[sly mauve]

Oh that’s the other thing

Treads

U cripple treads

Cause they rocks turn one

[spiral fable]

no one runs treads in a rainless meta

[sly mauve]

Idk I’ve seen it quite a bit

[spiral fable]

no one serious

[sly mauve]

Still it’s a threat

[spiral fable]

its as much of a threat as prepping for exacdrill sand is

[sly mauve]

Excadrill sand is a menace tho

[spiral fable]

Excadrill sand is uu for a very good reason

[sly mauve]

Honestly webs falls into the same category then

Why run it at all then

After all Ribombee is UU

[spiral fable]

Because they wanted a rate and thus i will give them the best team i can

And if you want to express a different opinion you are welcome to do so and can sign up to rate at any time

[sly mauve]

We have like the same opinion tho

Apart from Ribombee

All the other takes are the same

[spiral fable]

Then let me rate the team

[sly mauve]

👍

[spiral fable]

To summarize the massive tangent above:
Hatterene set is your shitmon of choice ig, run lefties on it
Run Tera Steel on Ribombee to beat Glimmora + skill swap instead of psyshic to beat opposing hatterene
Drop Quaquaval the duck just isn't good, replace it with Gholdengo every webs team needs gholdengo
Cinderace actively undermines webs + it's not a setup sweeper, replace it with roaring moon for a strong physical sweeper
Iron Moth is too reliant on RNG and folds too easily to common attacks in the tier + takes the tera away from Serperior, replace it with offensive gambit(glasses or balloon up to you)

[sly mauve]

This, but Tera ghost on Ribombee is also valid if you don’t want to have problems with Torkoal

Mostly a personal preference thing up to you

[harsh junco]

https://pokepast.es/a7eaf326e0daec93 First time I ask for help around here, I have this team who's idea is 2 supporting healing wish mons helping them sweet attackers, one with nuzzle the other with rocks

rocks rachi means bu tusk
gouging is my ace counter
I need help regarding my last 2 slots, because none of the things I have tried seem to work, I really need a pult answer and a special attacker here

any ideas or should I just throw the team into the trash

btw I have tried volcarona, dnite, moon and gambit, im just mix and matching but nothing feels too convincing

[spiral fable]

hm

...why do you need an ace counter?

[spiral fable]

so hear me out: make this trick room

you already have hatt jirachi can use troom(apparently)

[harsh junco]

brother look at my team, ace outspeeds all of them, tusk gets burned, hat gets u-turned out and rachi gets both + kicked in the balls

[spiral fable]

doesnt tusk beat ace

[harsh junco]

if he burns me with wisp then im essentially forced to delay the sweep untill hat or rachi die for him, and even then he can just do it again even easier due to no booster speed

[spiral fable]

why not twave jirachi since you can tank one pyro ball twave then switch out

and if they go for the burn, even better

idk the issue with this team is that you stack a lot of healing wish mons but most of your threats dont want to be coming in more than once

unironically i think the best style this would go with is trick room, which still has the powerful breakers but they don't mind switching in more than once

or you could try psyspam, which iirc stacked healing wish with indeedee and hatt, though you'll have to sacc the rocks idea

[harsh junco]

Im trashing the team, thanks for the help and sorry to waste your time

[spiral fable]

no worries

sorry it couldn't work out

[sly mauve]

Cool concept, but doesn’t really synergize well since booster only activates once

So when they come back in on the second time around they’re not as potent

[spiral fable]

1LDK already said they were going to trash the team

[sly mauve]

Oh 💀

Dang that sucks

Oh well that’s the game I guess

[harsh junco]

Its fine, the amount of shit teams I have in the builder would make you cry

last time I have done something actually decent was pre DLC1

im not kidding

[sly mauve]

Yeah I get it

I’m pretty sure you’ve seen my rmts so u know how questionable my teams are lmao

[harsh junco]

idk you

sorry

[sly mauve]

Or was that someone else-

[harsh junco]

Whats your forum name

[sly mauve]

Nvm point is I suck at team building

[sly mauve]

Duckular

the Lapras guy

[harsh junco]

💀

[sly mauve]

Ayyy there we go

[harsh junco]

brother i shit you not, thats better than every single team I have done in my entire pokemon career

[sly mauve]

Huh-

Bro that team is ass

It has a lapras

[harsh junco]

im not even throwing myself down, im basing on ladder rating

[sly mauve]

I thought u peaked at #1 at some point right?

[harsh junco]

LOL

[sly mauve]

I see your rmt comments everywhere

Or am I trippin

[harsh junco]

because im a forum RMT rater

[sly mauve]

Ohhhhhh

I thought u were just cracked lmao

[harsh junco]

im part of the staff, its literally my job

i have the shiny badge 💀

[sly mauve]

That is a cool badge

[harsh junco]

anyway, good night gentelment

[sly mauve]

Aight goodnight

Nice talkin to ya

[patent timber]

I mean, all the ice types draw out moves that ceruledge resists im pretty low on ladder (1200) if thats a factor

[spiral fable]

ok but if you want a steel and fighting resist you could just use volc

[patent timber]

noted

[patent timber]

Also im not running the loaded dice on kyurem cuz i needed a special attacker

[spiral fable]

boots kyurem is just not that good on veil

[patent timber]

alright, so I replace ceruledge with volc and run loaded dice kyurem?

[spiral fable]

just follow all the advice i gave in the message

[patent timber]

Why run drill run over rock blast

[sly mauve]

Rock Blast doesn’t hit anything

Except Weavile

And Pelliper

Drill Run hits more stuff + Tera ground is really good

[patent timber]

Hmm on the loaded dice kyurem you recommended do i use substitute or tera ground

[spiral fable]

tera ground blast

[patent timber]

Do you think its fine to run only 1 special attacker on a team? also, I really did like cerruledge on the team and I think anything that tries to stop ATales from veiling helps cerruledge set up

[sly mauve]

Trust me, if I can get away doing the same thing with a lapras at 1800, you can pull off using a good team with only one special attacker

Also Ninetales can still be helpful

[patent timber]

Yeah but not with snowscape tho only move i get is moonblast

also what do you say about cerruledge, how about i replace volc and run a special attacking set on kyurem

plus, on a special set i get freeze dry on kyurem which helps with water which i dont think the team deals with well

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/313a56713407ce7e

[sly mauve]

Special Kyurem is only good on balance

[stone onyx]

silly tailwind offense

[sly mauve]

Don’t replace Volcarona

It’s broken af on veil trust

Also Ceruledge is good in concept but with boosters running everywhere u can’t pull off a Poltergeist on a ton of important stuff

[patent timber]

alright, any tips on using it? never used it before

[spiral fable]

click quiver dance, win

[spiral fable]

This team isn't even close to viable

You have 1 OU mon out of 6 mons on your team

[patent timber]

How do i deal with getting knocked off or tricked tho, kinda useless without the dice

[sly mauve]

You don’t send it out on stuff with knock off and trick

And if your not comfortable with that you can still use Cloyster if you want as an alternative

[nimble agate]

https://pokepast.es/7528cd28d27a1373

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[nimble agate]

Idk anything about teambuilding so

bear with me

[sly mauve]

You need Gholdengo

Also Ting Lu and Corviknight don’t fit well with Hammurott since it’s an HO Mon

[jagged shore]

did iron boulder fall off?

im using one of the sample teams

[sly mauve]

It was never on to begin with tbh

Mainly just new toy syndrome

[jagged shore]

oh

[sly mauve]

Valiant is better

[jagged shore]

damn

alright

thanks ma

[sly mauve]

Np

[jagged shore]

https://pokepast.es/3a08349d488a78cd

good?

or absolute trash

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[ruby crest]

I still wouldn’t advise to change a sample team especially how iron boulder in this team has certain attributes better then iron Val

[jagged shore]

Okay

I was told iron boulder fell off so I just didnt use him

[spiral fable]

iron boulder is still good on ho

[brisk cedar]

||This team isn't that good anymore though||

[spiral fable]

Yeah they need to update samples soon

[elder forge]

https://pokepast.es/e30cb45ccd400a70 Sun Dragon spam feat. Kingambit
0 Speed Quiet and Sunny Day lets me set the Sun back up vs Chilly Reception
get dino in, Tera and click buttons
I also really like Overheat Torkoal it's funny

[nimble agate]

thanks but whats hammurott?

oh hisui samurott

nvrmd

[sly mauve]

guys im makin a snow team rn and so far i have this

https://pokepast.es/8dc2b9fd7416e609

is there any way to improve it as I get screwed over alot to espeed dnite

[sly mauve]

Run light clay on Ninetales

Don’t run glowking since this is HO

Run rapid spin over cc on tusk

Use loaded dice Kyurem instead of specs

Ogerpon can maybe work with veil but use encore over stomping tantrum

Get rid of freeze fry on Ninetales for snowscape for a better matchup into rain sand and sun

And then I would run Volcarona over glowking

kk

Oh and please run ice shard on Cetitan

yeah i lost cuz i wasnt ice shard

https://pokepast.es/c10c803694c6e6e6

Something like this

I feel like Cetitan has potential tbh but roaring moon or gambit would be better then Ogerpon

I would go roaring moon since you have priorty with Cetitan

[brisk cedar]

||don't use Cetitan||

[sly mauve]

y

cetitan is cool

It’s gimmicky

i dont wanna run stall

or sun

i wanna use snow

You struggle to get a belly drum up

I would run gambit over it tbh for priorty

But if u wanna make Cetitan work

By all means

That and it’s kinda outclassed as an snow abuser by Kyurem which u already have

[sly mauve]

aww shucks is cetitan cooked

[brisk cedar]

Its also slower than a ton of things even with slush rush

Especially with adamant

[sly mauve]

I mean tbf u have ice shard

But yeah

i mean i like kingambit but

it is a snow team

how does kingambit fit onto this

https://pokepast.es/420c866f49e14af8

I got to 1800s on ladder with this snow team

Try it out and see how it goes

[glad grotto]

can someone help me with team building

[sly mauve]

kk

[sly mauve]

could i run cetitan>roaring

since slushrush drum can go crazy

I mean if ur gonna run Cetitan over anything run it over Kyurem

why?

Since the role they fill is very similar

im confused tho

if its a snow team

y not run em both?

Cause having three ice types is bad

It’s not a very good defensive typing

but then its not rlly a snow team if only one pokemon can abuse the snow

All of them abuse veil

Snow is only really for HO right now because there’s no Arctozolt or roost Kyurem

[sly mauve]

aww shucks

why is snow so cooked in this gen

i mean atleast its not as bad as sandstorm teams

Bro snow got buffed this Gen wdym lol

It can work it’s just limited to one playstyle

But it excels in said playstyle

[sly mauve]

i mean like

with sun

theres alot of cool sun abusers

same thing with rain

snow can only abuse veil

thats it

nun else

theres no slush rush sweepers

Yeah you’re stuck to ho

like there are chlorophyll and swift swim

But natdex fixes those problems if your curious

You get to run all the things that made it good last Gen with the snow buff

i wanted to try and get 1600 on ou tho this sh aint fair

bring back the 150 bolt beek

beak*

U can still succeed with snow just not balance snow

I got Lapras to 1823

U can get to 1600

[sly mauve]

it wont be the same man its jus not the same feel

its like it would be snow but its not rlly snow its jus veil

Idk what to tell u then man

U can try but u won’t get very far

pokemon rlly be pickin what they like

[sly mauve]

If it helps glowking Kyurem is a great core this Gen

Maybe try running that

morning sun is so ass

on volc

he only heals 1/4 cuz of snow

[sly mauve]

maybe

[sly mauve]

Brother it lasts for like 3 turns

but u jus said dont run glowking

[sly mauve]

On HO

[sly mauve]

its 5

on balance it’s fine

[sly mauve]

whats ho?

[sly mauve]

You have to set up veil and switch no?

[sly mauve]

Hyper offense

If your Volc can’t take three hits with veil it shouldn’t be on the field lol

oh

i see why ceititan isnt on

if icy rock isnt on ninetails

slush rush is basically useless

not enough turns to setup

Pretty much

maybe i should jus drop snow

Nah it can still work

IM STILL COOKED TO ESPEED DNITE

U just can’t really run dedicates snow teams

[sly mauve]

My brother you have veil up

[spiral fable]

duck u got this

[sly mauve]

And gambit

[sly mauve]

👍

[sly mauve]

lets jus say i replaced gambit for cetitan

and now

i am cooked

Why would u replace the best Mon in the tier

If you’re going to replace anything replace Kyurem

kyurem is not worth dropping for cet

does encore hit thru sub?

[sly mauve]

Yes

[sly mauve]

It’s your best bet

Trust me I would know

so drop kyurem?

[spiral fable]

i wouldnt recommend dropping kyurem for ceititan but if you really want to run it ig

[sly mauve]

ima jus keep kyurem

[sly mauve]

This

Here I’ll send u the rmt for the team too

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/aurora-veil-ho-feat-loaded-dice-lapras-peak-1822-123-blunder-approved.3737947/#post-10010856

Just replace lapras with Kyurem

why was lapras dead puttin in work

wtf

u sure lapras>kyurem isnt real

[spiral fable]

yes

[jagged shore]

bro

[sly mauve]

Yes

I ran it as a joke lol

Kyurem is overall better

but i lose alot with kyurem

[jagged shore]

this guy has trick room slowking and hatterene

i cant deal with this tanky ass slowking

these sample teams suck

What Pokémon is good at dealing with Galarian slow king

[sly mauve]

Ground types

Can’t trap it so u gotta just git gud tbh

It’s annoying but it’s not broken

[nimble agate]

So both are univiable or is it one or the other?

Im not sure what u mean since i dong have hamurott on my team

Unless u mean theyre bad defensively against hamurott

[jagged shore]

https://pokepast.es/541ba59a7a6f60af

honestly I rly like this one idrk where i got it from

tho

[ruby crest]

This is a dlc 1 team ..

[jagged shore]

oh cool

i just saw it on yt before

and copied it

sorry

[spiral fable]

we don't rate teams that are from someone else, sorry

[jagged shore]

ok mb

[sly mauve]

Ohh it’s a Zororark

I thought it was a Samourott my bad

[storm adder]

https://pokepast.es/759d55dc839beded
I made a shitty lil stall team bc i was bored

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[spiral fable]

ok unfortunately this team is kinda bad

[storm adder]

I mean i said it was shitty lmao

[spiral fable]

Garganacl isn't good on stall surprisingly as its a massive tera hog and doesn't have the raw defenses of other stall mons, Avalugg-Hisui is somehow an even bigger tera hog and it can't function without said tera + its still outclassed by dozo, Deoxys needs a bunch of cosmic powers to really get tanking and can't do much without it

You have two rockers but no spikes or tspikes + no gliscor for some reason?

[storm adder]

Wait gliscor is more stall than offensive

Huh

We all learn smth every day yk

[spiral fable]

No knock absorber and clodsire always needs amnesia nowadays + tera steel to avoid getting nuked by psyshock

[spiral fable]

Gliscor can fit on a large variety of teams

it just so happens that it fits well on stall as well as balance/offense/wtv

[fiery thistle]

https://pokepast.es/73a884df2f653ce5

[ruby crest]

pelipper and rilla seem completely random for this team tho also don’t like the huge overlap in weakness against ice types meaning kyurem and weavile can chew through this team

[fiery thistle]

on smogon i read that rilla is a helpful teammate against ground for raging bolt

and pelipper sets up rain for raging bolt aswell

how can i fix it tho

[ruby crest]

I mean then you should focus the team around even tho pelipper is relatively restricted to rain which the other mons don’t generally fit

Rilla is also common in g terrain squads not something you generally slap into

[ruby crest]

Best advice would be start from scratch and commit from there as mentioned going rilla or peli want different certain partners for their playstyle

[fiery thistle]

i was just going for a team that could counter other teams effectively

[ruby crest]

Even then removing just two would leave ur team with undesired weakness that makes it hard to cover things u want without making to many changes

[fiery thistle]

i dont have any fire moves besides will o wisp so i kinda failed

[ruby crest]

while ideal you should also consider many other things

You don’t necessarily need every type coverage to make an effective team

[fiery thistle]

yeah

my favorite type coverage is greninja probably

maybe i should just use greninja

🤔

[ruby crest]

Ehh gren kinda in a weird spot rn

but best course of action is starting a fresh team

[fiery thistle]

okay

can you help me?

so i dont mess up again

😭

[ruby crest]

uhh redirect yourself to #comp-general some people will help you and I can jump in since I’m doing something rn

[fiery thistle]

i still kind of like great tusk but not really landot

[tender pecan]

rilla doesn't mix too well with eq lando

also yeah as said above pelliper is a bit random

I'm not that good tho so take what I say with a pinch of salt. you can try some silly stuff by running thunder over tbolt on raging bolt if you wanna set up rain for it but thats just me

[azure granite]

https://pokepast.es/d1f18b6c934187b4

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[azure granite]

can someone tell me a good 6th member?

[spiral fable]

we only rate completed teams

please read the rules before posting teams

[azure granite]

sorry

[harsh junco]

https://pokepast.es/811d7c1527cec8ae its a collab I made with Duckchris, it seems that theres rumblings of using attack dropping moves, so we hoped in on the wagon, support umbreon was my idea and kommoo-o was his idea

umbreon has both foul play and charm to control whether attack with my opp´s attack or reduce it
kommo-o is one of our wincons with enough speed to get jolly kingambit and the rest in bulk
clodsire is our electric inmune + gholdengo counter + rocker
glowking is a fairy switching + pivoter
skarmory is another fairy switching + physical check alongside umbreon
primarina is the main special attacker and another shaky ice resist

problems we have indetified

we have nothing for boots spam nor stall
weavile

any ideas?

[spiral fable]

o god ive seen this one in the contributor chat lol

[harsh junco]

bro we are literally the same 2 people who made it lol

[spiral fable]

yeah ik

[harsh junco]

u wanna rate it or your gonna let some else deal with my memes

[spiral fable]

im not good at handling these teams so yeah ill let someone else do it

[harsh junco]

i guess u can try tag or anything because the bot will not call shit untill like 20 years

[spiral fable]

@fierce basin ou man go

wait he's pokemmo now

uh

@ruby crest you wanna do this?

[ruby crest]

What am I doing

[brisk cedar]

Rating this

[ruby crest]

This team is super passive tbh, feels like there’s nothing to make any effective progress but do nothing, weavile is an interesting thing to be weak to with skarm and primarina here tho no knock heavily makes mu against boots and stall which is honestly mandatory for a bunch of teams

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[spiral fable]

???

Who posted their team and deleted :(

[ruby crest]

Rip chatotbot

[whole raft]

Made this kyurem team with poor teambuilding skills and a keen interest in kyurem. Success has varied 😅

https://pokepast.es/d1c904c00fb4e32f

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[spiral fable]

So if you want to run Kyurem you sohuld almost always run Gking with it

Gking is an excellent pivot that sets snow for Gking while also just being very good in general

This team also just kinda feels lost? it looks like you were going for bulky offense with this, but i'm really not a fan of ghold here (its pretty slow for your "setup sweeper"), ogerpon feels wasted without swords dance, tusk is alright but cinderace is awkward as well since you effectively stacked 3 phys def mons with no spdef mon

This team also has no way to handle play rough Ogerpon-Wellspring which kinda just runs through this team

Frankly I would recommend scrapping this team as there's quite a few issues with it, and running a sample team for now

Here's two pretty decent Kyurem teams, one Hyper Offense and one Balance

https://pokepast.es/a8345442ed3e3a66
https://pokepast.es/e00ffe032d4a6756

[tardy oracle]

https://pokepast.es/df2a54567eb963af
Glim hazards and offense
Mostly standard sets. Put stone edge on gouging specifically for the volcarona matchup. Kinda get rolled otherwise.

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[tardy oracle]

By standard I mean mostly sample sets

Also trying to stay away from choice items to push the offense. Kinda not let my opponent force me out and lose all my momentum

[tranquil niche]

Team itself looks fine but personally I think the sets are a bit odd for HO
I prefer ddance kyurem on HO rn personally since specs is choice locked and boots is easily outsped and doesn't hit as hard as specs whereas ddance let's you setup past these issues
I'd change kingambit to black glasses offensive, bulky lefties gambit is moreso a balance, bulky offense and offense thing that allows it to switch into threats and recover off damage whereas you won't switch alot in HO.
Zama looks fine
I'd change gouging to booster personally or change it volc altogether since you already have glim that denies hazards and the damage boost from booster is nice on HO.
I'd do psyshock on gholdengo since I never click recover on HO dengo and psyshock is nice to have for stall matchup

Team also doesn't really have speed control over valiant

Infact this looks like a swords dance valiant 6-0

or mixed too can win too if dengo is chipped into knock off

You do have Zama for sd valiant but it could be mixed too and if your dengos chipped it's joever

[tardy oracle]

If I swap out gouging what do I do the moment an opposing volc clicks 1 quiver dance?

Run stone edge on zama over crunch?

[tranquil niche]

its not like gougings gonna help

bros abvout to get one hsotted by tera blast ground

even if it lives which it wont

stone edge doesnt do anything to tera ground volc

as for actual volc answers

you could try using like wellspring

but it may still lose to 3 moves tera grass

or somehting

also it takes away tera uf you use wellspring

other option is well

sash blaziken

or ceru

blazi doesnt do that bad rn as of my experience

ceru i wouldnt recommend

wait nvm primarina

primarinas good

and can answer volc

also you don't have to swap gouging it's quite good

[tardy oracle]

Ima try a couple things, one that came to my mind though is ogre cornerstone. Wood hammer and ivy cudgel deal with base type and Tera water/ground. Idk I’m still in the testing phase

[dusty thistle]

Thoughts on team? any way to improve? https://pokepast.es/afe271eae33ec3dc

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[tender pecan]

Sand is interesting for sure, but I have a couple concerns

I feel like Ogerpon isn't really gonna be an effective sd user with that set

Encore does grant you opportunities to set up but trailblaze and ivy cudgel rock is very limited coverage

Also alomamola can be vulnerable to being worn down, yeah you have regen and wish but sandstorm chip can be annoying, luckily you do have boots on the thing so that's a good shout, you do have to be careful of knock off though, and standstorm chip building up

Ghold is fine, I'd personally run a more support oriented set rather than a choice scarfer on a team like that but also in case excadrill goes down it can act as a cleaner

Lando can certainly be a problem tho, lots of your team doesn't match well into it

Likewise with great tusk, your best answer for both is corviknight.

It's not too bad, the only immediate change imo would be to switch sd on ogerpon for u turn so that you can encore something and perhaps force a switch to then u turn and provide safe entry

You do already have two pivots but a third never hurts especially for a pokemon as frail on the special side as excadrill you wanna make sure it can get in safely

[spiral fable]

I’m ngl you missed quite a few things scarf ghold is pretty bad and banded excadrill is meh you don’t need smooth rock with only 1(and a half ig) sand abusers never run trailblaze as your only grass stab on ogerpon and this team gets 6-0ed by waterpon I’ll go in depth tomorrow when i wake up

[tender pecan]

None of them abuse sand very effectively but at least nearly all are immune to it ig

But also you're relying on ttar staying alive and outlasting torkoal in a weather war which isn't ideal

Plus glowking hampers the efforts

Didn't think about waterpon tho

I forgot sandstorm boosts special defence on rocks not physical

Mixed it up with snow mb

[shell stag]

Bulky offense with Specs Protean Gren for strong ice beams + Late game sweeper Roaring Moon:
A bit weak to water, any thoughts? https://pokepast.es/c4a58dd495005ef9

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[tender pecan]

The valiant set is a bit odd

[thin olive]

can someone help with my team

https://pokepast.es/d44671473a51c156
Anything i should change for the current meta thanks

[patent timber]

using the first HO team and even hit 1480 which is progress for me, however Im struggling with stall teams or cheese bug lock teams, I think the team really needs a special attacker for those stall teams i often feel the lack of an electric type, any recommendations on how I can play around these problems or, potentially a replacement special attacker?

[pale topaz]

im quite new to competitive, this is the only team i was able to make the worked: https://pokepast.es/d3f7bf5be3a70305
if you could give any advice id appreciate it, thanks

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[gleaming edge]

https://pokepast.es/7fb63e15d60ec488 The focus of this team is trying to make Hydreigon work (ik this set is very unconventional and ofc might change it into something else). Any help would be appreciated!

[tender pecan]

Take what I say with a pinch of salt I'm not amazing. but overall, decent offence team but superpower on ogerpon is an odd choice honestly, it just doesn't give it a lot of staying power, its a strong move but the stat drops hamper its ability to stay in and continue being a mid game wall breaker, especially without U-turn you may just give up momentum. tera dark on tusk is, strange. ig it flips the script on psychic types but the only psychic types in the tier are boulder, hatterene and glowking, two of which you can deal with relatively easily and hatterene chunks you with a fairy move. It just doesn't seem very useful. also skarm is an odd choice on a team like this, if you want a spiker for HO I'd go with glimmora since it can pretty reliably get up a couple hazards with a sash. and it also hits pretty hard in its own right. plus it has hazard removal itself with mortal spin, but it can be hard to switch it in. gliscor is a bulky spiker, and while it does overlap with great tusk on the ground typing, its a much less passive mon than skarm. Those are my nitpicks at a glance. Some other people can help you more in regards to teambuilding

[tender pecan]

bizzare set lmao, but this is a bit too off beat for me to really comment much on, its weird, but if thats what you're going for than more power to ya. Respect the effort to make Hydreigon work I love that mon

[ruby crest]

what is the main focus around this team, or better yet what do u want to keep in this team

[pale topaz]

Not too much I just tried to make a team around volcarona

[ruby crest]

so the focus is around volc

[pale topaz]

mhm

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/bd0909fda88ddfcc I would suggest these changes then @pale topaz

[gleaming edge]

Aight thanks, been changing it alot since I posted seeing as it wasnt that good in practice 😭

Im also unsure if this hydre set could even fit in a balance team, or if it otherwise would need to be in a more offensive team?

[tender pecan]

tbf it was really goofy lol, when I think Hydreigon I think specs draco meteor ngl

its a monstrous special attacker

[gleaming edge]

I feel like he strictly gets outdone in that department sadly

[tender pecan]

thats the problem

cause its like

really slow by OU standards

98 is really slow what a world we live in

[gleaming edge]

would be ok if he had better typing to tank hits

[tender pecan]

and wasn't quad weak to one of the best types in the game lmao

[gleaming edge]

ye exactly

hydreigon is in dire need of a new regional variant imo

so it might have a chance of a new typing combo

[tender pecan]

don't worry guys, Iron Jugulis

is stricly worse than Hydreigon

anyway we should probably move channels

[gleaming edge]

ye

[dull pasture]

https://pokepast.es/47944f7b628dedaf

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[dull pasture]

it doesnt feel the same as it used to

i used to have such a high win rate with it

and id win by far

now it just seems weaker

[spiral fable]

Well yeah this is dlc 1 sun lol

[dull pasture]

what can i change

[spiral fable]

So you shouldn’t really run booster items on sun, especially for roaring moon

Ig it can work on tusk but booster on moon directly prevents it from gaining its powerful acrobatics since the item won’t be consumed till sun runs out

Jack I assume you’re typing up a longer post if you wanna go ahead

[pulsar geyser]

im just doing a quick one bc im about to go to work but yea im just expanding on what u said by giving recommendations to fix it

[spiral fable]

Aight cool have fun

[pulsar geyser]

quick rate bc im about to go to work

• try spdef on torkoal so it has a bit more longevity. it has high def anyway and wants sun up multiple times
• booster energy is redundant bc sun activates it
• to fix this, great tusk has a pretty cool role on sun as hazard control and an all out attacking ground type that can revenge a lot of stuff with booster speed. id recommend this set
  Great Tusk @ Life Orb / Leftovers / Soft Sand a lot of stuff can work here
  Ability: Protosynthesis
  Tera Type: Steel
  EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  Jolly Nature
• Headlong Rush
• Ice Spinner
• Close Combat
• Rapid Spin
• I would recommend Lilligant-H over Venusaur. Venusaur has to run Timid to outspeed booster valiant which is a massive drawback as Valiant can easily revenge it or weaken it if it's packing Psyshock. Lilligant does a good job of easing some bad matchups for sun as well, a big reason why it's considered standard on sun.
• Change roaring moon to a choice breaker set or change it entirely to a band gouging fire. It's preference but I prefer gouging fire for the breaking power while you already have lilligant, and tusk for speed control. Speaking of which, if ur gonna run gouging i recommend mystic water on walking wake. I find wake hates being choice locked in this meta and really likes to be able to break and flip turn.

i realized what i described to you is a team that exists but thats prob because i think this is the only sun worth running rn so here it is, this was posted on the forums earlier. made by savouras and used in SPL and made a lot of reqs
https://pokepast.es/42b047538ea9100c

if you're gonna build sun i recommend that as you're guide

obv you dont have to be limited to that, theres some other options that work on sun like air balloon raging bolt, treads as your elephant, ddance moon can work w/o booster as a surprise bc most ppl will expect band

[wicked ravine]

https://pokepast.es/2c1cdc66f72136c7 Thoughts?

[dull pasture]

ty

but ngl i dont like eject button hatt

so i might change that

[ruby crest]

Why are there 3 hazard setters with the same overlapping hazards…

[wicked ravine]

just in case the hazards get removed

then i can put them back again

[ruby crest]

A bit problematic since glimmora set is usually for ho, and even then most teams either have ways to prevent hazards getting up, or have boots spam without caring much about the hazards

You are overlapping for no reason which also wastes teamslots

[stray plaza]

https://pokepast.es/1f984b8f528145ba
hey, ive got this ogerpon based team i found in internet but i dont use ogerpon and dont like using it. Would it be better if i changed it for gouging fire, volcarona or smth like that? or other pokemon?

[spiral fable]

we dont rate teams that you didn't make yourself, sorry

[stray plaza]

oh xd

thanks

[azure pecan]

https://pokepast.es/84a74b902734a449 how we feeling?

[marsh falcon]

can someone tell me how this even works

[azure pecan]

AV pex runs infestation

[marsh falcon]

i get that part

[azure pecan]

this analysis is pretty outdated tho, neither cress or pex are OU relevant anymore

[marsh falcon]

ik

just curious how av pex was a thing lol

[azure pecan]

all its other sets were worse

[marsh falcon]

😭

what did it even run

[azure pecan]

stabs / infestation / acid spray or ice beam iirc

[marsh falcon]

thats

interesting

too bad didnt get to use it lol

[urban ridge]

https://pokepast.es/95122cd8c864bb2a planning to build around landorus-t--h-sammurott--iron crown core. Yay or nay?

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[tender pecan]

On first glance volc kinda bullies your team hard

Only mon hitting it for super effective is hamurott and that gets nailed by bug buzz or giga drain

Also 3 pokemon weak to ground and the only switch in is Lando, and Lando doesn't have grass knot to check said ground types, you sorta reprimand that with air balloon on gambit but idk if that's enough

Pult and cinderace do resist anything volc can throw at them barring Tera but they aren't exactly bulky and against a volc with a couple boosts neither want to switch in

[tranquil niche]

Can't he just make pult hex twave?

problem solved

[tranquil niche]

Also psychic over grass knot in Lando t?

And jolly on special lando

[tender pecan]

That does solve the problem but that's not the set on pult

[tranquil niche]

he can change it

[tender pecan]

He can, it just depends what he wants to get out of the pult

[tranquil niche]

Well twave pult just works well here

He already has choice locked immediate power in hamurott

[tender pecan]

I just noticed scarf lando

[tranquil niche]

He's using helmet lando not scarf

[tender pecan]

Sorry

Hamurott

I'm tired

[tranquil niche]

Scarf hamurott already gives the speed + power that specs pult has

So he could go twave hex pult

Sure hamurott is a bit weaker but

It's still immediate power

[tender pecan]

Hamurott does have added utility as well

Thanks to knock off and ceaseless edge

[tranquil niche]

Apart from that I'm noticing a weakness to raging bolt

Tera flying bolt to be specific

It can easily come in on something like cinderace court change

Calm mind all over the place

And now everything's getting one shotted while you can't ohko back

[tender pecan]

And nothing resists both electric and dragon ig

[tranquil niche]

Usually what I do is get toxic glowking + offensive tusk

[tender pecan]

Like Lando dies to dragon stab while gambit and iron crown fold to electric

[tranquil niche]

Fixes the issue pretty well but

This team can't fit that it in

[tender pecan]

Yeah

[tranquil niche]

You could try earthquake on Lando t

But Tera flying is still a issue even then

So uh it's a instant loss to raging bolt like unironically

[tender pecan]

Plus the aforementioned 3 ground weaknesses

Tera fire cinderace is a bit interesting but I suppose it does make pyro ball disgustingly strong

Nothing really wants to eat that other than pokes like dondozo

[tranquil niche]

not much other options on ace I don't think

I haven't seen any other Teras on it

Also yeah this teams not going to have fun with bulk up tusk

[tender pecan]

I sometimes run tera grass to flip the script on tusk but most tusk variants have ice spinner

[tranquil niche]

After a bulk up it just outspeeds and ohkos everything

[tender pecan]

Especially after rapid spin

[tranquil niche]

It's booster speed

Not using rapid spin sometimes

Your best option to deal with tusk is gonna be special Lando t

but that isn't too reliable since ice spinner

[tender pecan]

Unless you reactive tera there

And also grass knot deals with it better than psychic

It's not an ohko but it does around 80%

[tranquil niche]

He could have raging bolt in the back

And now you can't even use Lando t to answee it since its Tera water nkw

[tender pecan]

True

Just a lot of underlying weaknesses to a handful of pokes

Which reminds me I need to change one of my teams because it's way too weak to waterpon

[tranquil niche]

That's just every balance team tbh

Balance team try not to die to waterpon and kyurem challenge

[tender pecan]

Well you hit the nail on the head cause it is my balanced team I'm taking about 😭

[tranquil niche]

Have fun with balance in this meta

I tried making a few balance teams in the past

Tanked my elo and had to get it back with offense

[tender pecan]

I mostly run bulky offence

Used to go all out HO back in the day but thing is half my teams are unusable because half the pokemon on them got banned

[tranquil niche]

I like offense/bulky offense personally

[tender pecan]

When home dropped I was throwing magearna and regieleki all over the place

[tranquil niche]

Glowking + 5 offensive threats

[tender pecan]

I never used glowking until pretty recently and now I see the light

Also we should move channels lmao

[azure pecan]

https://pokepast.es/84a74b902734a449 reposting this bc it looks like it got missed

[vocal plover]

https://pokepast.es/c306d2063726fa9c first sv ou team got me to 1333 peak but i've plateau'd; i think my main issue is my lack of speed control or prio, among other things

[tender pecan]

1 word

Kyurem

Special Kyurem sets can tear this to shreds. Garganacl can try and salt cure it but thats really all you have

generally thats kinda the issue with defensive teams rn, there's so many breakers and sweepers that can blow right past them

also sun teams are an issue

yes you do have clef but with a smart tera, Kyurem can flip that matchup real fast

plus since its not unaware clef you do kinda fold to the ddance sets

generally I'd swap out a few things for more offence oriented mons, thats just me

[jagged shore]

https://pokepast.es/138d01dca9b7e8d8

can I get some help finishing this team

or advice

[tender pecan]

only finished teams go here

[jagged shore]

oh okay sorry

is there anyone in another channel i can ask for assistance making the team

[tender pecan]

#comp-general works

[urban ridge]

yeahhh i noticed it too.

[urban ridge]

yeahh imma change it

[tender pecan]

in that case I'd take on board a couple things obama prism said about the pult set

[urban ridge]

twave hext hdb set right?

[tender pecan]

cause that really helps put a stopgap to an otherwise nearly unstoppable volc sweep

[urban ridge]

I'll take note of this as well

[tender pecan]

yeah, that sounds good

[urban ridge]

thanks a lot for the suggestions

[tender pecan]

np

[urban ridge]

https://pokepast.es/fee369356b46e0c9

revamped

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

This seems like a balance/bulk offense team, but where are your sweepers? Your offensive pressure? Cinderace as your only hazard support also isn’t very reliable, and this team struggles to deal with knock off users meow and Weavile who can easily threaten your entire team
Scarf hamurott isn’t a very good scarfer since you still get outsped by every boosted threat in the tier, and vest iron crown relies heavily on its team having a way to clear hazards, which yours does not

[tranquil niche]

Grassy Terrain HO
https://pokepast.es/6c9a50d4a30a23ff

[urban ridge]

point taken i might insert either bulk up tusk or quiver volc and replace crown

[spiral fable]

i mean you'd need more than just that, id swap pult to a wisp set twave double status set, make cinderace bulky with wisp, swap toxic on gking out for twave, drop lando for defensive great tusk with rocks, then replace hamurott with scarf/booster mixed valiant and crown for another offensive mon

[urban ridge]

aightt will take note of this. I'm intending to build a bulky offense btw

[spiral fable]

o then you definitely need more offensive threats

you stacked 4 defensive(ish) mons and then a scarfer that's balance at best

[spiral fable]

why do you have double taunt users lol
dont run suicide lead hamurott when you already have a lead in rillaboom, swap it out for bulky heatran with lefties and rocks
Don't run both fire punch and encore on hawlucha you need cc to hit flying resists
youd want to invest more bulk into hatterene ie spdef/def invest
Taunt on Raging Bolt means your only reliable stab is blanked into fairies drop taunt for tbolt

might want to run low kick on gambit for opposing gambits but that's up to you

[tranquil niche]

I use fire punch on hawlucha for gholdengo

i haven't really needed cc yet

[spiral fable]

bolt and gambit

[tranquil niche]

as for taunt hamurott
knock off didn't work well when I used it

[spiral fable]

the steel birds

[spiral fable]

wel i meant more drop hamurott since you dont need a suicide lead on gterrain

[tranquil niche]

Yeah I can do heatran instesd

Veil matchup on this team is terrible

Would help against it

[tranquil niche]

Defensive heatran?

Or like what set

[spiral fable]

spdef defensive

[tranquil niche]

Anyways I could do tbolt over taunt on bolt

But I like having it against something like glowking

[spiral fable]

its tbolt that's your something against gking

[tranquil niche]

Dragon pulse does something similiar while not getting poisoned in the process

[spiral fable]

i have not seen toxic gking in ages but aight

[tranquil niche]

idk I use it always personally

For raging bolt

Can't have enough insurance for raging bolt

[urban ridge]

https://pokepast.es/f39bcd40060f3a90 who's the missing piece

[spiral fable]

one day, people will read channel rules 😭

we don't rate unfinished teams ask comp general

[tranquil niche]

Alr i changed it to tbolt

https://pokepast.es/5d568a6fbf6bca2b
Does this look fine now?

[urban ridge]

ow sorry my baddd

[tranquil niche]

I don't wanna do low kick gambit I just like iron head more rn

[urban ridge]

https://pokepast.es/d758ed3030eab834 forgot to put valiant mixeddd

[spiral fable]

Run the standard bolt spread

[tranquil niche]

no outspeeding other bolts tho

It's Tera fairy so

Might not matter as much here

[spiral fable]

Then just speed creep with 4 ivs

[spiral fable]

Your sweeper should have a way to boost speed/be gambit and ignore speed

[tranquil niche]

I'm pretty sure alot of bolts do that rn

Bolt feels like gambit in the way the speed creep wars woek

I was using 3 extra EVs then the sample set on my other team and I still got outsped

[spiral fable]

Eh I would rather take the extra bulk especially in gterrain but if you really want to speed creep ig be my guest

[tranquil niche]

Also won't offensive heatran be better here

Since it's a HO team

[dull pasture]

whats a good offensive replacement on the sun team for hatterene

[spiral fable]

No

[dull pasture]

i havent gotten value with it oncee

[spiral fable]

You need something to not fold to every spattacker

[spiral fable]

How?

[tranquil niche]

I mean if your looking for hazard denial then tusk

Tusk is quite good on sun

[dull pasture]

i cant use it

[dull pasture]

already use it

[tranquil niche]

You could slap eject pack onto it to act as a made in home eject button

Also yeah hatt on sun is excellent

[dull pasture]

ill scroll up for it

[spiral fable]

No like legitimately are you not even getting use out of eject button?

[tranquil niche]

I personally don't use it on my sun vut it does quite well

[spiral fable]

What do you do to pivot out of torkoal?

[tranquil niche]

since button + hazard denial

[dull pasture]

https://pokepast.es/42b047538ea9100c

[dull pasture]

i switch into mons that can tank

[tranquil niche]

I swap mon in personally

kinda bad tactic bht

it works for me

on like 1650 elo sun

[spiral fable]

But why when you can just use hatterene as said pivot

[dull pasture]

after that

what do i do with hatt

[spiral fable]

Healing wish late game/sacc

[dull pasture]

i never get the wish off

it dies

[tranquil niche]

Orb tusk looks weird

[dull pasture]

i replaced it

[tranquil niche]

It already doesn't like chip

[dull pasture]

with helmet

and defensive set

[spiral fable]

Then sac it for a clean switch late game

[tranquil niche]

Id personally just have done boots since glimmora can come in on literally any mon that isn't walking wake and toxic spikes all over the place

Instead of orb

[urban ridge]

fair enough

[dull pasture]

i played a game without hatt

and i realized the difference

[tender pecan]

steel beam

why 😭

heatran wants to stick around for a while steel beam kinda defeats the purpose

[ruby crest]

If you are doing veils offense there is no reason to use Aloma or heatran when u want more set up abusers to take advantage of screens

yeah that’s not necessarily the point for veil offense and those can be crucial momentum sink moments when you want to take advantage of the screens but it’s going to waste

On paper sounds useful but the more u play with it the less opportunity u will have and opponents can even take advantage of it

Regarding the two mons that are momentum sinks to this team, screens ho and well ho in general wants to play aggressively constantly with little or no defensive mons as they can clearly kill momentum, waste valuable screens turn, and that can give ur opponent the advantage even more so if they know what they are doing

Yeah then in that case u would have to revise ur team cause there will be a lot of different options for a bulky fairy or other mon to check dragon: fighting / dark etc

This team literally looks like veil ho with two random denfensive mons if u are trying to go for Bo then the structure wouldn’t come close to this

no problemo

[jagged shore]

https://pokepast.es/eb09ec0f0864ffd2

yeah im in DIRE need of assistance

im fine with changing the entire team

I just wanna use kyurem and kingambit

[ruby crest]

I was working on this to get rated but then I just realized mid way that this is practically close to mimikyu stardust sample

[brisk cedar]

Reminds me I was going to give someone a mimikyu stardust team

[brisk cedar]

https://pokepast.es/21e48ff8a6372706

This is a very similar team thats been proven

[jagged shore]

im new to competitive pokemon so idrk what ur referring to

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/e0a24df11f21190e it’s basically a team that new players use tho the thread is a bit dated, but yeah it’s practically a similar structure

[brisk cedar]

I'd say its more teams meant for learning the meta

but yeah

[jagged shore]

So… my teams bad

?

Can recommend me Pokémon or something to make the team viable?

[ruby crest]

I didn’t say the team is bad

I’m saying the team is close to a team that I would recommend using that since it is very similar in structure

[jagged shore]

Oh

Okay

Thanks

[ruby crest]

That team is far from being bad some sub optimal sets but like I said it’s just better to use the other team since it’s basically nearly the same

[jagged shore]

Alright

[austere depot]

Yo can you send me a ou team that’s meta, tryna get back into showdown, tryna see the op meta

[ruby crest]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-suspect-process-round-11-voter-identification-thread.3738133/ just grab any team shared in this thread those are pretty good

[shy granite]

hereyogo

https://pokepast.es/86b12a0684f067e5

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

this team really doesn't have a structure in mind
You have booster treads, which is a typical lead for more offenisve teams, but they you also have ting lu which is a balance hazard setter, and flip turn mola. You have nothing to handle kyurem, which can easily come in on mola/ting lu and click ice beam for free and force heavy chip on gambit. Specs Latias is completely outclassed by Specs Latios, which stil struggles to compete in OU.

O yeah you also have nothing to handle play rough waterpon

if you were trying to go for balance you need to focus more heavily on spikes stacking, drop treads drop latias drop val, slot on a knock off mon a knock absorber that can lay hazards and then another pivot/defensive mon, or a breaker ie specs/boots kyurem

[sand yacht]

https://pokepast.es/e30d44dced04e449

[vocal plover]

https://pokepast.es/c306d2063726fa9c resending the team ig
my first idea is that maybe i could replace ogerpon-w with pivot dragapult for burn and better speed control?

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ruby crest]

If anything I’m more inclined of pult > iron boulder

[vocal plover]

what pult set do i run on that

[ruby crest]

You can do pivot pult here

[vocal plover]

i'll go with max spA and draco so i can 1hko gouging

should i change ogerpon to sd?

[ruby crest]

Yeah make it sd 3 attacks

[vocal plover]

hell yes

[fiery sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/6572c9854af18206 havent played gen 9 in a while but tera flying kingambit seemed like itd be fun to build around.