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[bronze urchin]

Or just sub + glare

So tera ground, leaf storm , d pulse, sub?

Or is glare better?

[spiral fable]

sub or glare up to you both have their merits

[bronze urchin]

@spiral fable https://pokepast.es/451859abc4f1ed08 what do u think?

should i keep tusk

[spiral fable]

no

[bronze urchin]

thought so

what could be used

[spiral fable]

drop uturn on ogerpon for encore

[spiral fable]

hatterne

[bronze urchin]

alr

[bronze urchin]

eject button defensive?

[spiral fable]

no

grassy seed calm mind

also switch wood hammer for knock and swords dance for taunt on rillaboom

[bronze urchin]

ev spreads are fine?

[spiral fable]

swap speed for hp on rillaboom

other than that ivs are fine

[bronze urchin]

isnt slow taunt bad?

[spiral fable]

you should still be fast enough to taunt any hazard setter

[bronze urchin]

not glimm

[spiral fable]

glimm you have hatterene for

if you want to run speed you can that's up to you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dont have the speed tiers memorized

[bronze urchin]

not even speedy rilla stops glimm lol

[bronze urchin]

what evs on hatt should i run any def, or max hp max spatk?

[spiral fable]

Hp def with a bit of speed(there should be a set for cm lefties just steal the evs and replace lefties with grassy seed)

[fierce basin]

Yeah speed booster bulk up tusk is good here, it would go over Skarm which doesn't really fit on grassy teams. Something else to consider is seed lucha over kingambit to ease the waterpon matchup and grant one time speed control
Your rillaboom is too slow. I think bulky is best for banded but you need to at least outpace min speed gliscor/the stuff creeping min speed gliscor
You can try nuzzle over mystical fire on hatt to punish roaring moons that tera fly on you to try to dd and win
For tusk run rapid spin ice spinner headlong bulk, I can't give you an updated paste because I'm on my phone sorry

Hope this helps good luck have fun

[marsh falcon]

oops

also wuts the diff from balance and bully offense

[spiral fable]

balance is more defensive

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/f77c2cc47383ca0a

[viral sable]

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[umbral adder]

228 speed on rilla then?

also thanks so much as usual spidget

[fierce basin]

Yeah that sounds right

[violet nymph]

https://pokepast.es/3ac28b681eb7989f

[chilly mantle]

coil + contrary :-:

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/470559f0ccd30af2 tried revising it

[marsh falcon]

not too sure about rmoon tho

[fierce basin]

All your sets are nonsensical. Protect is a wasted slot on glimm, you're running multiple terablast guys, a couple of these EV spreads look like slider fun, serp has boosting moves with contrary, and sleep is banned so you can't run hypnosis on Darkrai. I'd recommend picking up a sample team and playing on the ladder to learn why certain mons use certain sets. Also be aware of showdown trying to make you a mixed nature if you run terablast like on ting lu, it doesn't need to be brave since when you tera it becomes a physical move

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/291f8c01801fd3cb

grassy seed spam ho, thoughts/ changes are appreciated

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[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/c2436c4c552e084b

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[sly mauve]

Concept for a screens team with Scarf Malamar, any feedback would be appreciated

I feel like Hatterene doesn’t synergizes well but idk what to replace it with

[spiral fable]

Once again I assume you know that scarf Malamar is mid at best(and I’m really not a fan of choice items on ho) but if that’s the gimmick you insist on alright
I think rmoon over hatterene would be good for this team, allows you to outspeed everything after a boost and hit like a truck
Defo run bulky gambit if you’re running screens
Not the biggest fan of gouging fire, but you should probably run the breaking swipe set to have a better matchup into stall
Other than that sure is a screens team

Might want to make volc more offensive but that’s up to you

[sly mauve]

I wanted to run Enamorous actually but it doesn’t get trick 😭

[spiral fable]

Why not just run a non choiced mon

You trick the gliscor and then you get a toxic orb, then what

[sly mauve]

Maybe serp could work…?

[spiral fable]

Serp would be great but you’ll have to drop Tera blast on volc then

[sly mauve]

Hmmm true true

Physical Enamorous is kinda ass tho

[fierce basin]

hey,
this is mostly fine, I think the biggest issue is glimmora gets rocks up in exchange for spike with samurott with your 2 rocks weak, and then you're forced to burn booster w moth to absorb. Personally I think I'd go with rocky helmet fast taunt EP lando over hamurott. I also don't think you need to be full bold ghold with seed, that's pretty crazy. Since the seed boosts you I think you're better off investing in some spdef
Gholdengo @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Def / 8 SpA / 100 SpD / 104 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Shadow Ball
• Make It Rain
• Recover
  I have this spread in my builder, I forget what it does but it feels unkillable
  hope this helps, good luck have fun

[buoyant prawn]

https://pokepast.es/785ad36598038ff0 OU Bulky Pivot

did i cook?

[stone onyx]

thank you, i actually opted for that set after i posted it here and i got it straight from a blunder vid

the special defense lets it tank 2 shadow balls from val so i was sold

[fierce basin]

Thanks for reminding me what it did. Seed guys r so broken

[buoyant prawn]

hi

[buoyant prawn]

@graceful thunder wanna rate?

i think my entire team revolves around luck sadly

[graceful thunder]

Bestie i dont know ou

[buoyant prawn]

k then

@fierce basin wanna rate?

[spiral fable]

ill take it

[fierce basin]

I can if faya doesn't by 9:30 est or so

[buoyant prawn]

ok ty

[spiral fable]

So you have a screens setter, which would make this team HO
but then the rest of your team doesnt synergize at all with it
Honestly there's not really a lot of synergy in this team in general, you dont have a defensive backbone to rely upon nor enough of an offensive presence to justify the lack of said defensive core

[buoyant prawn]

im trying to make a pivot team

[spiral fable]

I mean yeah i got what you were going for here

it just doesn't work

Against HO you don't have the speed nor defensive core to withstand their assault or pick off their sweepers before they sweep you

Against balance you don't have the power necessary to break through the fatter mons of the team, not reliable enough hazard control to prevent your mons from being knocked and chipped by hazards, nor the defensive presence to halt their sweeper/cleaner in the lategame

And you don't have the hazard pressure nor the overwhemling offense to beat stall

[buoyant prawn]

makes sense

so what mons should i use instead to pivot spam

[spiral fable]

frankly im not sure if its possible

at best you can probably make poor man's balance but it wont be consistent nor very good, you'll struggle hard to find switchins for powerful breakers like kyurem(your only real option is gking which can be chipped down easily, especially with tera ice), you would be sacrificing valuable moveslots on mons like gliscor for a pivot move when they dont need it

@fierce basin if you see any way to make this work you can go ahead but i cant find one

[buoyant prawn]

if pivot spam is not viable then hmm...

[cunning radish]

https://pokepast.es/1aeaf3ad8b32db8d

[ocean pumice]

i rarely build balance/bo so here it is, bo built around keldeo https://pokepast.es/e6da95f42636fb23

[cunning radish]

If I’m not mistaken healing wish is more used on HO than balance, but I guess it’s fine? I don’t really know

[ocean pumice]

ye i thought i needed speed control and thought hwish would be cool to give keldeo/gouging another shot

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/0bd4cda2df9e4ea1 new to OU but I thought I'd give it a shot.

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/470559f0ccd30af2

[sly mauve]

Kyurem is in Ubers and banned from OU

[marsh falcon]

no?

thats the kyurem forms

[sly mauve]

Well I'll be, a box legend in OU

I come from VGC and Kyurem is one of the restricted mons, so that kinda warped my mindset

[marsh falcon]

its not technically

[marsh falcon]

its fine

[real willow]

Kyurem is banned from SS OU, but it is currently not banned from gens 5-7 and gen 9 ou

if you are familiar with gen 8 ou, that may be why you may have thought this

kyurem also had a suspect test in gen 9 and failed to get banned

by a very close margin

[peak pendant]

https://pokepast.es/9d9760de1f34d9f2 Looking to improve my team, most of the team pulls their weight except corv sometimes can't do enough and sometimes volcarona as well but it usually performs alright

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/470559f0ccd30af2

[viral sable]

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[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/9e66b9b52aea5212

[pseudo canyon]

hi im having problems with hazards on this team what should i do https://pokepast.es/aa019f7c6ff29c8a

[boreal ledge]

https://pokepast.es/d21297ff876afeb9
I can't decide if I should keep Heatran or switch it out for Glowking? Also any tips on general

[marsh falcon]

hi

[fierce basin]

This is just an edited version of the kyurem hex pult sample, which has boots on the kyurem. So the answer is run the original team since it's built to disregard hazards. Switch gliscor into knocks so you don't lose boots

[pseudo canyon]

hi onslaught

[pseudo canyon]

okay

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/470559f0ccd30af2

[boreal ledge]

Can somebody help me out pretty pls 🙏

[surreal bloom]

tran is probably fine

your team is very ho

don’t see a point in gking

[spiral fable]

This is standard HO, just a few things to change
You don't want to run choiced mons on HO since they can be easily played around once they lock into a move, drop enamorus
Gholdengo doesn't fit on spikes ho due to being too slow, drop it as well
I would replace Gholdengo with Calm Mind Iron Valiant for speed control + a special attacker
And honestly you've got quite a few options for replacing enamorus, but I would suggest Iron Defense Body Press Zamazenta for a semi-defensive option that can still sweep teams

[hushed lynx]

Alright thanks

[spiral fable]

Why is Tusk here? You don't really need the hazard control when you've got hatterene
I would swap it for Kingambit, who still enjoys the terrain while not being too reliant on it, can provide as an emergency check to roaring moon, and generally be a strong sweeper lategame

[modest cargo]

https://pokepast.es/bf72e72cb353c511

[viral sable]

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[modest cargo]

Weavile without boots, idk where i went with this

[sly mauve]

I don’t think you need Ogerpon with PrimaRina.

Maybe do cornerstone ogre

[spiral fable]

?

Ogerpon and Primarina share vastly different roles

[boreal ledge]

He was originally there for a strong ground attack not affected by terrain, ice covers a couple weaknesses, and knockoff / rapid spin just rly good

[spiral fable]

Eh you can already handle steels +fire and hatterene beats gliscor anyways

[azure summit]

https://pokepast.es/9304fba3bae94c1e i'm pretty inexperienced for building current gen, so feedback would be appreciated

My idea for this team is a balance hazardstack team built around a glowking/gliscor/clefable defensive core that aims to set up hazards, and use kyurem and kingambut to force switches, with scor and weav knocking off boots. I've noticed that the team is generally weak against setup users, for example its basically an autoloss against iron defense corv, so feedback on how to improve this team would be appreciated

[boreal ledge]

Should I still keep spdef heatran?

[spiral fable]

This is pretty close to the sample team Mimkyu Stardust made, might be better just to run it https://pokepast.es/e0a24df11f21190e
Your defensive core is kinda weak as Gliscor and Clef aren't really enough to handle the overwhemling amount of phys attackers in the tier, with threats like tera flying taunt rmoon threatening you heavily
Similarly, Gking struggles hard to handle every spattacker in the tier(and Kyurem is a major threat with Tera Ice specs, as your gking isn't tera fairy and thus gets 2hkoed while gambit can only tank one ep)
Especially for spikes spam skarmory is usually a better option as iron defense bp allows you to check a vast majority of the sweepers in the tier
Similarly Status Pult will help greately in handling threats since its a very annoying bastard good spreader of status that can ruin a lot of teams, as well as a nice threat to stall with a mixed set

[spiral fable]

yes

[brisk cedar]

The sample isn't very good, gets 6-0d by recover gholdengo

[spiral fable]

Does Kingambit not just fold it in 2

[brisk cedar]

It folds to make it rain

||or focus blast||

[spiral fable]

252 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 114-135 (28.9 - 34.2%) -- 2.9% chance to 3HKO
Or you could just switch in skarm/gking on the mir

[spiral fable]

nasty plotless gholdengo is bad and FAKE

unless its twave

[boreal ledge]

What set

[spiral fable]

lefties bulky gambit

tera fairy/flying up to you(though flying removes terrain recovery)

[boreal ledge]

I was originally thinking Tera fire

[spiral fable]

probably better to run lum in that case

instead of tera fire

[boreal ledge]

Or Tera dark

[spiral fable]

nah, go a defensive tera

[boreal ledge]

Wb the Tera for Hawlucha?

[spiral fable]

Flying if you’re not running coverage for gholdengo

[sour karma]

and yes i’m on mobile rn

[spiral fable]

This is for singles ou, go to dou rates for doubles

[sour karma]

oh sorry

[spiral fable]

No worries

[stone onyx]

wouldnt ground/electric be better to not get thwarted by raging bolt

[cunning radish]

https://pokepast.es/87187aefceefa170

[stone onyx]

ground stops tclap entirely but elec resists it while also resisting make it rain

[spiral fable]

encore + not attacking first turn should be enough

[stone onyx]

fair

[spiral fable]

o hey another gterrain team

[cunning radish]

There was another one here?

Oh I see where

[stone onyx]

i had one earlier too lol

w grassy seed gouging

[cunning radish]

Seed gouging sounds like a terroist

[spiral fable]

So there's a few issues with this team
Scizor really isn't that good in OU anymore, with Kyurem becoming a bit rarer and its defog not really offering enough
Not a big fan of enamorus on this team either, you already have plenty of speed in hawlucha, drop enamorus
Drop encore for cc on hawlucha, you always want to run fighting stab
Drop either wisp or taunt on heatran for rocks + make it spdef invested, also drop flash cannnon for earth power
Drop Scizor for Hatterene(you can make it lefties or grassy seed up to you), this gives you a degree of hazard control as well as a bulky phys def mon that can still calm mind and threaten opposing teams
Honestly for last mon you've got quite a few options but I'd recommend Serperior, you can run a nasty leech seed sub glare leaf storm set and be a massive nuisance
Alternatively you could run Kingambit for a lategame cleaner, or iron valiant for extra speed, ogerpon for a powerful swords dance user, you've got a few options
And finally make rillaboom terrain extender, drop hammer for taunt

[cunning radish]

There’s 2 mons that are top 3 in usage and they both have priority, I’m not missing out on cc damage Acro does a chunk no matter

[spiral fable]

This team is pretty lost
You have 4 setup sweepers, then a phys def pivot in corv, then a balance hazard setter in ting lu? What is the structure here?
If you were going for bulky offense, this doesn't really work, though you could try to swap corv out for another pivot like gking and then drop ting lu for something like great tusk
Alternatively, you could turn this into a webs team by swapping Ting Lu and Corv for Ribombee and fast gholdengo with air balloon and psyshock, just swap kingambit to an offensive ev spread

[spiral fable]

You completely blank into raging bolt with said lack of cc

Kingambit doesn't want to face Hawlucha anyways due to its CC, while Raging Bolt eats your Acrobatics and kills with Thunderbolt

[cunning radish]

It’s not eating a +6 Acro

[spiral fable]

But if you run CC you can threaten an OHKO at +2 while Tera Fire keeps you alive just enough to survive a thunderclap

[spiral fable]

Any raging bolt user that knows the metagame will expect encore and click tbolt accordingly

[cunning radish]

Ok and if they do get the 50/50 I adjust

[spiral fable]

or you could just
run cc and kill it outright

[cunning radish]

It’s never killing it outright

[spiral fable]

+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Close Combat vs. 64 HP / 28 Def Raging Bolt: 357-420 (87.7 - 103.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

and if it's 252 252

+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt: 367-433 (93.8 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[cunning radish]

Not factoring in tera

Interesting

Anyways I won’t argue to much about encore lucha, appreciate the advice. I can agree on dropping enam

[spiral fable]

+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Fire Punch vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 242-286 (61.4 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Gouging Fire: 240-283 (57.9 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

You will be missing out on a lot of 2hkos or ohkos without cc

[cunning radish]

I rather keep the defense boost it comes in handy

[spiral fable]

encore doesn't give a defense boost?

[cunning radish]

You said close combat???

Remind me the secondary effect of cc?

[spiral fable]

ok yknow this is stupid if you want to drop hawlucha's best stab move for encore be my guest

[boreal ledge]

My team ong

By the way how do I beat gliscors and such

[spiral fable]

Hatterene

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/470559f0ccd30af2

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[marsh falcon]

rmoon seems out of place

but i ran out of ideas

[green citrus]

Meow or weavile would be good fits

You get your boots dark type knock spammer

And some speed

Tbh tho this teams structure is kinda weird, it seems to be going for balance but no hazards is rough

A lot of the "bulkier" builds in this tier just spam boots + spikes

A 6 of like

Tinglu, zama, kyurem, glowking, skarm/gliscor, etc

Stuff like thay

If u do rly wanna use specs kyu i think keeping the hatt is fine

Id change tusk and moon and maybe put hazards on glisc

[peak pendant]

thank you for the tips!

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/86051f63b3617274 would smth like this work

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[marsh falcon]

or would i need gholdengo

for spinblocking

[naive stirrup]

Is tera electric lucha good too for dealing bolt?

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/429b69187fb561b8
Banded dragapult offense
You can try to fit in tusk over corv but then you die to wellspring

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[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/067abaf27f5c269e hoopa unbound balance

[spiral fable]

No offense but why are you posting this here?

This is for rate my team you posted an individual set

Please read the rules of the channel before posting here

[sour karma]

oh i’m sorry

i thought i was able to show off on of my sets here i’ll take it down

[spiral fable]

Nah if you want to do that best place to do it is ou discussion thread on the forums

[sour karma]

got it

[ocean pumice]

https://pokepast.es/b647d0003c9835e6 second attempt at keldeo bo

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[ocean pumice]

used to be keldeo lando tran but bad wellspring matchup apparently

i have rilla for speed control also greatly helps gouging tusk tran

[spiral fable]

Rillaboom is frankly extremely poor speed control, as the threats in the metagame really don't care for priority grassy glide (roaring moon, gouging fire, volcarona, etc). Your team handles gliscor very poorly, who can eq everything on the switch in except zapdos, which it can simply toxic(it can also toxic everything except heatran), and you similarly cannot handle heatran, which blows up heatran with ep on the switch then freeze dry's the rest of your team. Frankly, your mons just don't synergize very well

[ocean pumice]

im gonna cry

[spiral fable]

this looked like a dlc 1 team

I would recommend scrapping this team honestly: the core really struggles and you're trying to force a few UU/niche mons together when you really shouldn't

[cloud blade]

Here https://pokepast.es/66ce6f460437880d

[sly mauve]

On Talonflame, you almost always want to run Gale Wings instead of flame body. Most of the time you won’t ever get the chance to activate burn on someone, especially if they’re a special attacker

[spiral fable]

no

gale wings is trash flame body is decent

but there's also a lot of bigger issues with this team

[sly mauve]

Gale wings will at least give you flying priority on the first turn

Or could just be my Gen 6 brain

[spiral fable]

its just your gen 6 brain

please do not offer advice if you are not at least familiar with the current metagame

[sly mauve]

Just thought I could help somewhat

[spiral fable]

This team gets 6-0ed by freeze dry kyurem. You seem to have gone for some sort of balance, but you have no hazard removal nor do you stack boots to make up for this + a knock absorber, Swords Dance Gliscor doesn't really work on this team as it won't be able to set up safely on most threats and your team doesnt have the hazard pressure to allow it to clean up lategame + why are you not running facade or eq or dwb, rotom and talonflame are unfortunately just not good in OU, with talonflame being absolute fodder for gliscor and rotom struggling to handle the powerful special attackers of the tier (loses to bolt, kyurem, volc, serp, etc etc etc)

Your defensive core is lacking while your offensive core isn't in a much better state, you've only got rocks and your hazard removal is beaten by the best setter in the tier, and this team folds to notorious balance threat Kyurem while not really fairing much better against other threatening offensive mons

[cloud blade]

Ye i already made changes and turned it into more of a balance version of xav fat kyruem was quite mean

Still couldnt save my rating from dropping like 200 elo during testing tho

[marsh falcon]

i did?

[spiral fable]

not you

[marsh falcon]

oh

https://pokepast.es/067abaf27f5c269e

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/c2dbcb0027fa0935

[viral sable]

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[sly mauve]

Sun team concept, appreciate any feedback

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/70adc3fb5bf0d10e

need help witha garg team

[thin ether]

https://pokepast.es/16db68e97e523bde

made this team cus i wanted to try something a bit bulkier with some setup sweepers

I have posted some more questionable teams before, but this one seems more serious

identifiable weakness would be gliscor

idk who to replace so i could deal with it easier

[sly mauve]

If ur doing bulky set up run screens on Deoxys and make Lando more offensive or replace it entirely

Also I would use Zama instead of tusk since Deoxys can stop most hazards with taunt

[thin ether]

thanks haha

i included lando cus on the gouging fire smogon page it recommends it as a partner

same reason i included tusk

most of the team was built around that tbh

just recommendations from that page

I needed a fast special attacker so i included scarf enam

and i included lorb deo cause speed control and can hit decently hard on both fronts yk

lando was just defensive rocky helmet with grass knot cus i saw success w that in the past

but yeah makes sense

reasons i didnt run screens on deo s was cause i didn't know when I could really get them up tbh

but i can switch that to screens, and then replace lando for zama?

could that work

made the changes

i will see how it goes

[thin ether]

worked well

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/28a347a454b5b5e9

[viral sable]

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[hybrid ledge]

https://pokepast.es/78b5a79c767bb43e

[dull pasture]

https://pokepast.es/4061afecd102255a

[spiral fable]

Tusk really isn’t a good banded mon, especially on sun which has far better options. I would swap it to a lefties bulk up set instead with booster speed, giving you a setup mon that can easily handle gambit
Make roaring moon banded Proto attack with knock off, crunch isn’t a very good stab when you have knock
I would drop hlilligant, you already have venusaur for speed control, and swap on eject button hatterene with healing wish, which gives you a degree of hazard control + a quick pivot out of torkoal and a way to heal up lategame
Drop sludge on venusaur for earth power, hits steels out of sun and heatran

[spiral fable]

Sand really isn’t a good archetype in OU rn, and this team has a lot of flaws
Vest ttar really isn’t good and doesn’t have nearly enough longevity to withstand the spattacks from threats like Wake or Serperior, plus you completely blank into gliscor
Houndstone also just isn’t good: even with its banded poltergeists it doesn’t pack enough punch, and the dark types roaming OU threaten you heavily
Primarina is not a good scarfer and doesn’t fit on this team in general: it already struggles from a lack of recovery besides lefties, and sand chip only wears it down further while scarf means you take frequent hazard damage
Hippowdown isn’t good in OU, you can’t do anything to skarm and gliscor which will stack hazards for days, and you also struggle against air balloon mons Ghold and Gambit. Whirlwind can only do so much and you can still get easily chipped before you whirlwind
Corviknight isn’t very reliable removal, and as your only source of removal you’re going to struggle to defog when ghold still roams the tier, and as the rest of your team is pretty hazard weak it just doesn’t work

I would recommend you scrap the team unfortunately, it just doesn’t work. You can try to make sand work in UU with excadrill, but OU is far too strong for it

[spiral fable]

You should make wake or gouging Proto attack/spattack
You know shiftry is objectively terrible so that’s up to you ig
I don’t like eject pack tusk here, I would recommend a bulk up lefties set instead(or dropping it for gambit), you need an attacker that isnt choice locked and isn’t shiftry

[sly mauve]

Attack gouging sounds spicy

Also yeah gambit might be the play for priority

What’s a good chlorophyll user tho?

[spiral fable]

frankly, dropping shiftry and using venusaur

but if you're going to run shiftry you're just going to have to accept you're running 5/6 mons

[sly mauve]

Honestly I’m perfectly fine with using venusaur he’s my goat

And for gambit I go bulky right?

[spiral fable]

then why didnt you run venusaur

yes

[sly mauve]

I didn’t think of it lol

I just looked for one that resisted sucker punch

[spiral fable]

hlliligant?

[sly mauve]

No

I hate it

It’s just a personal thing

But anyways thanks for the help

[frosty folio]

https://pokepast.es/d6a3838fc1dff08c

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/28a347a454b5b5e9

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[stray plaza]

https://pokepast.es/7cd5cb5d2f31328e
hey this is an ofensive(? team which i copied from smogon page and modified to the way i like to play. what i like to do is killing pokemon that threaten volcarona so i can set volca up with bulky quiver dance. I nearly always terastalize gholdengo.
what do you think?

[green citrus]

Specs rotom isnt great, neither is swords dance-less kingambit. Tera dragon volcarona does better with tera blast > bug buzz here.

Id add something that spikes (hisui samurott?) And maybe something fast like Dragapult, or even better, boots Zamazenta. Your team is currently weak to opposing meow/weavile and other fast threats

Could do to make samurott > rotom as your offensive water, lando over tusk as your new ground immunity + helps provide offensive pressure w/uturn

How you fit zama is up to you, meow volc ghold and kingambit are all good mons

Maybe drop meow idk

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/03167ecce168f65b

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[green citrus]

The hatt seems out of place and unecessary

Prob want a hazard setter or smth

Glimmora maybe?

[ruby crest]

Ain’t this just mimikyu ho with like deos > glimm and serp > volc

[stray plaza]

would it be a good idea to use zamazenta instead of rotom?

and thanks for all youve said its all reasonable

and i had swords dance kingambit but never used swords dance

and ive never seen n opportunity to use it so i prefer using iron head and brick break for surprising

[green citrus]

Will come with experience, watch some tournament replays and stuff when u get a chance to get a feel for when and how

I assure u swords dance kingambit might be one of the strongest things in the tier

Youll be better off just losing games until u learn how to use it properly

[little radish]

https://pokepast.es/2940052293e2fba7
Is this team good? It's a hyper offensive team but i haven't won much. Am i just bad or do i need a new team.

[spiral fable]

none of these mons are in ou

This team is unviable

[little radish]

Well how do u make it better without scrapping ut

[spiral fable]

Frankly, you can't

None of these mons can work in OU

They are far too outclassed/weak for the tier

[brisk cedar]

You could probably use lycanroc as a bad glimmora

but just use glimmora or treads

[green citrus]

if urly want to use lower tiers and such its always just going to be bette to use them in their respective tiers

raters cant in earnest tell u anything but to delete it as far as competitive play goes unfort

[little radish]

Okay

[quick bluff]

thought i was looking at an nu squad for a sec, all these mons are good in that tier if you’re interested

would wanna go to a different rating channel for that though

[peak pendant]

https://pokepast.es/cfd9fbfbabdaef44, I wanted to build a team around Latios since it got access to Luster Purge and has a mean offensive stat, I do well enough with the team but the issue i am having is that I don't think dragapult is a good fit for my team, but im not sure what else to replace it with

[gleaming edge]

https://pokepast.es/1ff410b9c4303766 Wanted to build a team around Dragalge and ended up with a poison dragon primarina. Anyway, what could I do to improve my team?

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[thin ether]

https://pokepast.es/7baf1ef9cfc91200 after making some changes recommended by reddit and this server, new and revised Joe Offense

are there any obvious holes I can patch up?

now has hazard removal and screens support from deo-s, swapped lando for zama

working better but struggles into certain matchups

mostly gliscor if I misposition tusk

[spiral fable]

if you're doing ho dedicate fully to ho

this means dropping great tusk and enamorus, the former of which is not necessary to remove hazards as you have taunt deo s and the latter of which is not very good as choiced mons suck on ho

[thin ether]

taunt deo s I was thinking of switching out cause i wasn't capitalizing on it as much as I was hoping to

and going for a bulkier offense

[spiral fable]

replace them with volcarona and iron valiant, volc is a good screens abuser in general while iron valiant offers nice speed control

basiclaly your entire team is offensive and it'll be easier to pivot into full ho than bo

also you should drop either gouging fire or zamazenta for roaring moon, you need a stronger offensive physical attacker

[thin ether]

alr

[gleaming edge]

https://pokepast.es/fac36089f8140a7f (Made some changes to make it have a better chance vs bulkier teams, especially stall, sorry for repost...)

[smoky folio]

https://pokepast.es/2b0e3a9ff04d718f is this a viable balance

[spiral fable]

This team doesn't really work
Dragalgae really isn't that good and is massive outclassed by primarina, but you also have the bigger issue of running a non-boots pivot on a team with no reliable hazard clearing
If you're running skarm without a spikes setter(gliscor) you might as well run tusk instead
I'm really not a fan of offensive gliscor here, you already lack strong special attackers and you completely blank into dondozo + you're not running agility meaning you get easily outsped
Slowking is just worse gking
This team is lacking a lot of things, mainly semi-strong special attackers (Dragalgae is way too slow), any breaker, reliable speed control, and the team doesn't really synergize well, with little way to handle kyurem (slowking gets folded by freeze dry and gambit cannot switch in often due to hazards)

Skarmory is burdened with the task of handling all the physical attackers in the tier as your gliscor is sd, meaning you will struggle heavily with Gouging Fire, or any physical threat packing electric/fire coverage

meanwhile your spdef core is completely destroyed by kyurem clicking freeze dry

[marsh falcon]

i didnt know

[gleaming edge]

Ye, was having some problems with kyurem and other strong sp attackers to say the least. Could glowking be better as a replacement to normal slowking here (originally thought it would clash with dragalge). About dragalge, what do you mean with primarina outclassing it? Couldnt its different typing and strong attacks in draco and sludge justify a niche in running it over primarina, or do you mean is its niche too close to primarinas to not have any useful niche? Thanks!

[spiral fable]

dragalgae just really offers nothing as a vest pivot

Water Fairy is an excellent typing that allows you to switch into a lot and tank it, while Dragon Poison... doesn't

I'm also pretty sure primarina has better bulk but don't quote me on that

Gking is better than normal slowking yes but you were also right that it overlapped with dragalgae, though you should've dropped dragalgae

[gleaming edge]

Aight, I was thinking dragon poison could be a good defensive typing combo in general, but I guess maybe it doesnt in this current meta?

[spiral fable]

yeah its really not

[gleaming edge]

In general too?

[spiral fable]

meh it may have its merits in some metas, but definitely not this one

[gleaming edge]

Aight makes sense

Anyway, thanks for the help

[peak pendant]

https://pokepast.es/cfd9fbfbabdaef44, I wanted to build a team around Latios since it got access to Luster Purge and has a mean offensive stat, I do well enough with the team but the issue i am having is that I don't think dragapult is a good fit for my team, but im not sure what else to replace it with

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[jagged shore]

https://pokepast.es/93bfcf22224c95b6

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[jagged shore]

I think the teams pretty self explanatory

just want to know if theres anything moves, pokemon items i should replace or change the team completely

[spiral fable]

So this team is kinda lost
You have a webs setter, which would usally be on ho, but then the rest of your team... isn't ho(hyper offense if you don't know the term, consisting of 1 lead and then 5 setup sweepers)
You have speedy gliscor, but why? You're still running a defensive set (and tspikes is worse than regular spikes since posion mons can absorb it for free)
You have Gholdengo, but no secondary spin punisher (ghold can't take knock from tusk/gliscor), and no hazards besides tspikes that ghold can enable anyways
This team really just doesn't have a structure, you have no breakers, no offensive mons besides ghold and ig pult, no hazards beyond tspikes, and a random webs mon
I would recommend changing the team entirely unfortunately

[brittle coral]

could someone give me some tips of teambuilding?https://pokepast.es/7af13589c6229d8c

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/1b5a4e14160f7841

[pseudo canyon]

onslaught im pretty sure ur team gets walled by ting lu

[marsh falcon]

i just noticed

back to teambuilder i go

[tranquil niche]

Banded is better for hoopa u

Team dies to raging bolt

No toxic on glowking

And Tera flying raging bolt walls everything

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[bleak burrow]

https://pokepast.es/5a1966ecd029d254

[bleak burrow]

update: I just realised, that this looks suspiciously close to the Kyurem + Hex Dragapult BO...

ig i should just use that

[ruby crest]

Yeah definitely

[peak pendant]

https://pokepast.es/cfd9fbfbabdaef44, I wanted to build a team around Latios since it got access to Luster Purge and has a mean offensive stat, I do well enough with the team but the issue i am having is that I don't think dragapult is a good fit for my team, but im not sure what else to replace it with

I like the idea of a will o wisp user but not sure

if dragapult is the best fit

[spiral fable]

I have you seen you repost the same team three times

I will get to rating it when I have the time and motivation and reposting it constantly does not help

[jagged shore]

can you recommend me some mons?

To fill the roles you listed

[spiral fable]

What playstyle do you want to go for?

Balance or hyper offense?

[jagged shore]

Hyper

[spiral fable]

Ok frankly drop the entire team

Except ghold

Replace recover with psyshock

Then run ribombee as your webs setter, you can find the set on its smogon page

From there pick 4 setup sweepers that would benefit from the speed drop of webs, like raging bolt, jolly kingambit, roaring moon, etc

[peak pendant]

Well it's just been a few days is all

[spiral fable]

Because frankly your team has quite a few issues and I don’t really have the motivation to write out a long post dissecting why yet

[jagged shore]

does the consumable item proc proto as long as they stay in on raging and roaring?

[peak pendant]

Well thank you at least for informing me it has a few issues

[spiral fable]

You should also run a mon that ignores/boosts off of webs if they court change with cinderace, like calm mind cute charm enamorus or Serperior

[jagged shore]

it only deactivates on switch correct?

[spiral fable]

Yes

Booster energy activates the instant you send your mon out

[jagged shore]

So Raging bolt, jolly king, roaring moon, ribombee, enamorus , and gold?

[spiral fable]

Sure that works

[jagged shore]

what if they use something to get rid of the web

[spiral fable]

Tera steel on ribombee if they lead glimmora to block mortal spin, ghold blocks spin and defog, and if you find yourself struggling against court change cinderace you can run contrary Serperior to turn the redirected webs into a speed boost

[jagged shore]

okay

so serperior instead of enamorus

[spiral fable]

If you want, enamorus has its own benefits like not being a big Tera hog

[jagged shore]

okay

[spiral fable]

If you run enamorus run boots calm mind cute charm with taunt

[jagged shore]

what would you personally choose

[spiral fable]

I liked serp better

[jagged shore]

thank you

https://pokepast.es/7930a0c21a711744

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[jagged shore]

Sorry to bother you but would this be good

[spiral fable]

Don’t run uturn on ribombee it’s supposed to die run skill swap so you don’t blank into hatterene

Run max speed on bolt for webs

[brisk cedar]

This is nearly a team I have

[spiral fable]

Tera steel ribombee to get webs up against glimmora

[spiral fable]

Webs isn’t very creative lol

[brisk cedar]

https://pokepast.es/929419b697dbee44

Doesn't have serp, I have a serp version but it wasn't as good

[spiral fable]

You might want to run dragon pulse over substitute/glare on Serperior to hit dragons without teraing

[brisk cedar]

This team has flaws

[jagged shore]

max speed and spa?

[spiral fable]

Yeah

[jagged shore]

can you give me some assistance then

to fix said flaws

if u dont mind

[brisk cedar]

No I'm saying my team sucks

[jagged shore]

oh

[brisk cedar]

scarf bee is fun though

[jagged shore]

sorry my bad

[jagged shore]

ill replace substitute

[hard osprey]

What’s flying for on black glasses gambit?

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/33b7e5ba9c43b63b

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[spiral fable]

this looks like bo but why are you running boots spam then

[marsh falcon]

oh

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/38d628e845035e2c does this make more sense

[pale summit]

Rate pls Raging Bolt @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 64 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 164 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Thunderclap
• Dragon Pulse
• Thunderbolt

Glimmora @ Focus Sash
Ability: Toxic Debris
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Mortal Spin
• Earth Power
• Memento

Blaziken @ White Herb
Ability: Speed Boost
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Close Combat
• Acrobatics
• Blaze Kick
• Bulk Up

Dondozo @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Atk / 120 Def
Adamant Nature

• Wave Crash
• Ice Fang
• Earthquake
• Curse

Arboliva @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 116 SpA / 140 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk

• Giga Drain
• Protect
• Substitute
• Leech Seed

Blissey @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Healer
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Seismic Toss
• Thunder Wave
• Soft-Boiled
• Substitute

Raging Bolt @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 64 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 164 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Thunderclap
• Dragon Pulse
• Thunderbolt

Glimmora @ Focus Sash
Ability: Toxic Debris
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Mortal Spin
• Earth Power
• Memento

Blaziken @ White Herb
Ability: Speed Boost
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Close Combat
• Acrobatics
• Blaze Kick
• Bulk Up

Dondozo @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Atk / 120 Def
Adamant Nature

• Wave Crash
• Ice Fang
• Earthquake
• Curse

Arboliva @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 116 SpA / 140 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk

• Giga Drain
• Protect
• Substitute
• Leech Seed

Blissey @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Healer
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Seismic Toss
• Thunder Wave
• Soft-Boiled
• Substitute

Is it good

[cinder merlin]

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[modest cargo]

I feel like i'm missing something

Like a tusk and not gliscor

[modest cargo]

https://pokepast.es/9ed39242f6b2893a changed it

[pale summit]

Rate pls

Raging Bolt @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 64 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 164 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Thunderclap
• Dragon Pulse
• Thunderbolt

Glimmora @ Focus Sash
Ability: Toxic Debris
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Mortal Spin
• Earth Power
• Memento

Blaziken @ White Herb
Ability: Speed Boost
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Close Combat
• Acrobatics
• Blaze Kick
• Bulk Up

Dondozo @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Atk / 120 Def
Adamant Nature

• Wave Crash
• Ice Fang
• Earthquake
• Curse

Arboliva @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 116 SpA / 140 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk

• Giga Drain
• Protect
• Substitute
• Leech Seed

Blissey @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Healer
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Seismic Toss
• Thunder Wave
• Soft-Boiled
• Substitute

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[real willow]

Alright, now wait for someone to help you

[pale summit]

Ok

[storm adder]

Still relatively new to teambuilding - is this a good start?
Also yes ik theres a giant ground vulnerability how do i fix that
https://pokepast.es/42a7a82701cbfe45

[brisk cedar]

What type of team are you going for? First 3 mons and last 3 mons can't fit together and Arboliva isn't good

[ocean comet]

https://pokepast.es/21ccee6fc8330ca8

[ocean comet]

new to team building, built it based off of restances and can add/remove mons if its better for the team

[spiral fable]

frankly this team isn't viable, only one of these mons are actually in OU

mons that aren't in OU are in the lower tiers for a reason: they are highly niche or unviable in OU itself

[brisk cedar]

I'd take a sample team, building shouldn't be based on resistances but rather accomplishing a goal

[spiral fable]

veti you got this

[viral sable]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[brisk cedar]

First link

[spiral fable]

They should also be built around a general team structure (Bulky Offense, Hyper Offense, Balance, Semi stall, Stall)

Here's a good explanation of their general structures by ratio: #comp-general message

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/dc85b0194b0fe36c

Webs HO, any feedback is greatly appreciated

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/38d628e845035e2c

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[spiral fable]

Sure is webs ho
Might want to run dpulse on serp to hit dragons and glimmora is your shitmon of choice but it’s webs

[sly mauve]

Never thought of d pulse

Sounds like a good pick thanks

Also Glimmora is actually good

[spiral fable]

Yeah just drop sub/glare

[sly mauve]

it destroys sun

[spiral fable]

You have so many better options tho

[sly mauve]

Oh u mean keep Tera blast

[sly mauve]

Like…?

[spiral fable]

3 attack serp is a menace

[spiral fable]

Roaring moon raging bolt

[sly mauve]

I drop sub right?

[sly mauve]

Roaring Moon gets wisps

And raging bolt is unreliable

[spiral fable]

Up to you

[sly mauve]

Sub it is

[spiral fable]

Simply don’t get wisped? Duh?

[sly mauve]

I need something that sets up on torkoal tho

[spiral fable]

Taunt rmoon

[sly mauve]

Like absolutely punishes the opponent for leading with it

[spiral fable]

Or Yknow

Bolt

[sly mauve]

No cause then they just go Lilligant and encore

[spiral fable]

Most sun teams I find don’t fit lilligant

[sly mauve]

Or their chlorophyll user of choice

Cause they take like two thunderclaps

[spiral fable]

Raging bolt folds venusaur

[sly mauve]

Idk I just find thunderclap too unreliable

[spiral fable]

You can tank an unboosted earth power and blow it up with dpulse

[sly mauve]

Here tell u what

I’ll test both and see how it goes

I’m at like 1700 so the results should be somewhat reliable

[storm adder]

Welp i made a team with more ou stuff
Placeholder is there bc idk what to put there so can yall help
https://pokepast.es/325e3a325d8a62be

Also which death row artist should i name it after

[sly mauve]

Wait I have it

Agility Wake

ITS GENIUS

[spiral fable]

So for future reference we only rate completed teams but since you're new ill just rate it now
This team really doesn't work
Hisuian Zoroark and Tentacruel aren't good in OU, Glimmora only fits on Hyper offensive teams while corv is more of a physical pivot and clodsire is a defensive wall, they don't work together well at all

I would recommend you look through samples to learn common mons and structures used, you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[storm adder]

Ah oki

[peak pendant]

https://pokepast.es/e17509adb4e137d6 Decided to make a team around a rillaboom + hawlucha core, I'd like to know if there is some glaring oversight that i missed

[sly mauve]

Wait genuine question do you think speed booster iron moth could work

[spiral fable]

i mean its a mon that exists

not the biggest fan of it but if you want

[modest cargo]

https://pokepast.es/9ed39242f6b2893a
Changed it a bit again

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[modest cargo]

Still not sure about that goltres

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/ec6c2d2b7fc1ef62 BO i think

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bleak burrow]

https://pokepast.es/063215bc938eda70

[spiral fable]

im really not a fan of tera steel on hawlucha, if you want to shut down gliscor you can easily run taunt instead of encore with tera flying
You don't need low kick rillaboom when BU Tusk completely stuffs Gambit, swap on Taunt to shut down slow hazard setters/walls that try to recover on you

[pale summit]

https://pokepast.es/9f4c5605aa72da15 pls rate

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brisk cedar]

.

[cloud blade]

Pick a style. Ur running 2 lower tier mons, then the rest is 2 offense mons and 2 stall mons. Also every one of those sets is gonna hurt you outside of the bolt. I reccomend using sample teams and tweaking from there to your liking.

[jagged shore]

https://pokepast.es/2e46b5b0a7590d59

is there any changes i can do to make this team better

[tardy oracle]

https://pokepast.es/d50457f51d86cf25
Spikes HO
Surf obv for the glim matchup, which I otherwise hard lose. Actually I’ve got 5 moveslot syndrome on hamurott. Just wish I had one more.
Moon volk boulder and bolt are pretty standard
Lando acts as the bulky switch in on mons like moon, and hit big damage + momentum w/ uturn. G knot for tusk. Taunt as stall breaker and setup stomper.

[jagged shore]

what is a good gouging fire build

[tardy oracle]

Please rate with the precursor that hamurott must be AV. It always just clicks with me

[tardy oracle]

On what team archetype? Balance, HO, bulky offense, screens/veil setup spam, hazard stack? You’ll basically always run DD and flare blitz. I like booster for HO and screens/veil and boots for the rest. For screens/veil and bulky offense you can run morning Sun. Eq is very popular and puts in good work. You chose if you want dragon stab, usually claw but I’d respect an outrage on a booster set. If your team struggles with a matchup you can run moves like iron head psychic fangs and stone edge, but those are very situational.

(Is that a good explanation?)

[jagged shore]

HO

it is

but I still need some guidance

[ocean comet]

https://pokepast.es/9c1935a1f32810aa

viable?

got it on a site just wondering

[ocean comet]

no water moves is throwing me off though, is there any way to incorrporate a water type/move to this team

[storm adder]

So i decided to try and make an ho revolving around galarian moltres
Its new so its still p raw
https://pokepast.es/7592b2f46987cb32

[spiral fable]

We don’t rate teams that you took from someone/somewhere

[dusty thistle]

Is this even slightly good? My first try at trying to make a sand team https://pokepast.es/45df5fab6aac1344

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

This team is lost
Why do you have Lando here when it's HO and Lando is running a U-Turn Rocky Helmet set (also this so called "stall breaker" loses to gliscor), Hamurott isn't a really good suicide lead anymore and vest is honestly a waste as now you can't even guarentee one layer of spikes going up against something like offensive tusk, what's up with volc's evs, raging bolt doesn't fit well on spikes/glimm HO as it's too slow

[dusty thistle]

scizor evs are for OHKOing a bunch of dark & steel types

[spiral fable]

Hyper offense is supposed to be one suicide lead/setter and then 5 setup sweepers, you don't need switch ins or pivots

[spiral fable]

don't run taunt on serp either run sub or glare, might want to experiment with tera blast fairy if you want, you can similarly try adamant moon, but this is sure webs ho

[tardy oracle]

👍 so the team has problems AND hamurott spike spam has fallen off

[spiral fable]

yeah

[tardy oracle]

Nooo my boy!

[spiral fable]

If you want to run veil, run veil. If you want to run glimmora ho, run glimmora ho. Don't run both, HO needs to stack as many offensive threats as possible and you just waste turns trying to get both up
Weavile isn't good on HO, you have far better SD sweepers (like Boulder), Dark Physical Attackers (Rmoon), or ice types that benefit from snow (Kyurem)
Gholdengo doesn't fit on non Webs HO as its too slow and you have better options for spattackers
Tusk really only works on Veil/Screens HO so only keep it if you decide to dedicate to Veil HO

[spiral fable]

Scarf Gholdengo isn't good and you already have speed control in excadrill, Scizor is not good hazard removal at all (you can't do shit to ghold gliscor skarm and lose to tusk), excadrill without steel stab is fake, rockpon is alright but you need grass stab that isn't weak like trailblaze is, the mola set is really questionable as its best as a phys def pivot
Furthermore, sand just isn't good in OU, unfortunately. You just straight lose to Sun 6-0, the only good abuser is Excadrill and it blanks into the steel birds + struggles to break through similar physical walls, and you don't really have any other options (Houndstone is not real).
If you really want to try and make it work, try and make it bulky offense with a setter like bulky landorus t + banded ttar, you can keep ghold but make it air balloon nasty plot, drop scizor drop mola, run gambit and then last mon of your choice (you can pick a bulky nuisance like garg or a special attacker etc etc)

[dusty thistle]

alr

[dusty thistle]

what do I do against people spamming water attackers, eg scarf hamurott and wogerpon

[spiral fable]

you can swap out lando for a bulky pivot like mola but mola kinda gets folded by power whip from ogerpon

alternatively you can run a dragon

[dusty thistle]

alr

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/e8260a5dca1bdf6f

Umm help

Please

Pretty please*

[sly mauve]

Use earth power on Lando

I know sandsear is fun cause gambling but we gotta end out addictions at some point

[cloud blade]

Fair…

[sly mauve]

Also use low kick on gambit

[cloud blade]

I once hit 3 out of 7

[sly mauve]

Or iron head

Up to you tbh

And run boots on pult

[cloud blade]

I was curious, what for? It hits everything low kick does but also speed drops so like it can catch stuff on the switch for ez kowtow

[cloud blade]

Do i drop sub

In this case

[sly mauve]

Yeah

[cloud blade]

Okay

[sly mauve]

Maybe run uturn or something

Or thunder wave if you like wanting people suffer

[sly mauve]

Low kick does more damage

Plus u can finish the job with sucker

Low sweep would be better if it did more damage but it’s 65 Bp

[cloud blade]

Fair

Ooh or i could run

Tblast

And be different

[sly mauve]

Tera Fire t blast?

If you’re gonna run t blast do Tera fairy

Or tera flying if your cool like that

[cloud blade]

I made it

A long time ago

[sly mauve]

How long ago lol

[storm adder]

https://pokepast.es/02aa340b73c194db
Finding that this is working p well
Tbf im literally 1.1k elo so maybe ppl just suck
(Improved version of this: #1059653209678950460 message)

[spiral fable]

mostly better but meow is useless drop it

[storm adder]

Oki

[spiral fable]

swap on like rmoon or iron val

you need some speed

actually do rmoon

you already have tusk

you can also try serp

[storm adder]

Wait is there a good ho screen ghost type

My team collapses with brick break

Or like a good counter to most brick break users idk

[spiral fable]

unironically, going higher in ladder

no one runs brick break if they know what they're doing

[storm adder]

Oh

Why tho

[spiral fable]

cuz its way too weak and cc is so much better

[sly mauve]

Honestly even psychic fangs is pretty rare

[storm adder]

Yea but other than infiltrator and other things that bypass screens what do they use

Do they just attempt to hit hard

[spiral fable]

screens in common isn't a very common archetype that people plan for

[storm adder]

Oh

[brisk cedar]

Generally you can use entry hazards and your own offense

Alongside utility like encore to burn turns

Or taunt the screens setter

[storm adder]

I see

[pale summit]

https://pokepast.es/7574af1ab59ce957 pls rate

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/ec6c2d2b7fc1ef62

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pale summit]

Good but I would go tspikes on gliscor

[marsh falcon]

would that help me break other teams better

or idk what it does better than spikes in this situ

[pale summit]

Exactly especially if u put up 2 layers

[marsh falcon]

cool

[pale summit]

No probs

[spiral fable]

Don’t go tspikes on gliscor

[marsh falcon]

ok

[spiral fable]

Tspikes isn’t good because it’s very easy to remove

[spiral fable]

Please don’t give advice if you’re not an experienced player of the metagame

[spiral fable]

Veti has already rated this team twice

Stop reposting it

[spiral fable]

^

[marsh falcon]

anythings ud like to add

[spiral fable]

Frankly this team has a few issues I don’t have the time to give an in depth rate tho

I’ll sit down and do it when I can

[pale summit]

Sorry I didn’t realise

[marsh falcon]

alr

[ocean comet]

oh mb

[spiral fable]

Vest Hoopa Unbound really isn't that good and we have much better options in this meta ie boots gking or vest primarina
Similarly Scarf Gholdengo isn't good speed control since Iron Valiant exists
As for the rest of the team, you should make tusk its phys def set with rocks or at least give rocks and boots to its offensive set, add gking for a spdef pivot, you can keep meow as a phys breaker but i would recommend kyurem instead for a special attacker, and then you need some form of speed control, so you can try running scarf/booster val (i would recommend booster but if you find yourself constantly switching in you can try scarf)

Watch out for waterpon cuz it breaks through both of your phys def mons, but you can force it out with Kyurem and pressure it with hazards/revenge with val

[marsh falcon]

https://pokepast.es/27ef776441596fbf smth like this?

[spiral fable]

yeah but you probably want toxic on gliscor

and make val a mixed breaker with cc instead of calm mind and knock instead of shadow ball

[marsh falcon]

alr

[ocean comet]

would sludge bomb be viable on gliscor or is it just used always with toxic?

[marsh falcon]

pjab is better in most cases i think

• gliscor has 45 spa

[ocean comet]

so wouldnt u want sludge bomb since its special?

plus 10 more power

[spiral fable]

Gliscor is a physical mon

Sludge bomb is a special move

And just use toxic

[ocean comet]

okk

[spiral fable]

Poison jab with Tera dragon if you really hate waterpon ig

[ruby crest]

P jab is also for hatt that can just straight up ignore all of Gliscor s move and then more if Tera fly

[storm adder]

Changed my gmoltres team a bit bc i felt that it wasnt good enough
https://pokepast.es/054194882c4d698c

[viral sable]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @west harbor, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[storm adder]

Yes ik i dont need rapid spin on quaquaval but i feel safer with it ngl

[spiral fable]

I’ve already rated this team multiple times at this point

Please stop reposting it if you are just going to keep swapping 1-2 mons

[ruby crest]

also if the team that you keep reposting isn’t working I would advise to build something or just have a fresh start with it again

[storm adder]

Oki

Mb

[ocean comet]

any1 know what to remove /add?

https://pokepast.es/d496531539da0425

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2081672677-yoz2ylwfwcbfz2tic43pmdct26ud6ukpw

heres a replay using it

[brisk cedar]

Remove gliscor and dondozo for a hazard lead and a sweeper of your choosing

For sets id make valiant special or mixed because the zama matchup is bad

Bolt tera fairy/flying

gambit tera could also be played around with

[ocean comet]

can shuckle be viable?

[brisk cedar]

I don't think shuckle is jn the game

[ocean comet]

oh it snot ou?

[left sentinel]

its not

[ocean comet]

so do glimmora

[left sentinel]

bc no berry juice

[brisk cedar]

Main leads are Iron Treads, Glimmora, Samurott and Deoxys Speed

[left sentinel]

if you want webs use ribombee

[ocean comet]

ill do glimmora

[ocean comet]

what would be an example of a sweeper?

[left sentinel]

volcerona roaring moon bp zam

[ocean comet]

volcarano is funn ill do that?

[left sentinel]

id look at this

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-role-compendium.3713852/

[ocean comet]

okk

[left sentinel]

wait so what are you trying to run

HO, webs HO, BO, Stall?

[ocean comet]

ngl i think I want webs

[brisk cedar]

For webs you want gholdengo and ribombee

[ocean comet]

together?

[left sentinel]

yes

[ocean comet]

how come?

[left sentinel]

ribombee for lead

die

then ghold to stop hazzard removers

[ocean comet]

what would be the best to remove from this to add the sweep, then ghold and ribombee https://pokepast.es/6a362d04f8c54e90

[left sentinel]

will need to be tweaked

i just made this the moment i was done talking

https://pokepast.es/703928add818ac0a

this is what i run

https://pokepast.es/ba838615c75d7d31

[ocean comet]

ok but how does gholdengo stop the removal of hazards??

good as gold?

oh cuz defog is a status move cuz it does evasion

okay heres what i have https://pokepast.es/f8799d33c3165fc8

[spiral fable]

we only rate full teams

if you want help teambuilding next time, go to #comp-general

[spiral fable]

Run skill swap on ribombee over psychic to not get walled by hatterene and run tera steel to ensure webs stay up against glimmora
Run full speed spattack evs on gholdengo with psyshock to threaten stall
Ogerpon is fine but run either encore or playrough as its coverage, you don't need superpower with archaludon gone
I would recommend Raging Bolt over Volcarona, as it is less tera dependant and packs more power, with webs covering for its poor speed
You don't need iron valiant for speed control when you have webs, bring offensive gambit with either air balloon or dark glasses instead, with full speed and attack evs, you can find a sample set on its smogon page(same with raging bolt)

[ocean comet]

so like this? https://pokepast.es/0484b8bf41a8be50

natures need tweaking now though

ahh not rlly

[spiral fable]

change ghold's nature but other than that its fine

you might want to try dark glasses gambit instead but that's up to you

against stall, use psyshock ghold to force tera on clodsire then break through late game with tera dark gambit

[ocean comet]

maybe i will idk

ill see how i like it with air baloon then switch to black glasses if it isnt hitting enough

thx so much

[sudden quartz]

https://pokepast.es/1ce162a371e6aa91

Got a nice team

Feel like i lack a ground resist tho

[sly mauve]

Bro u need a ground immunity

Or at the very least Rillaboom

[sudden quartz]

But how do i fit it in

I dont love heatran

[sly mauve]

Replace valiant with Rillaboom

[sudden quartz]

Its good but doesnt feel nececarry

[sly mauve]

You don’t need two fighting types

[sudden quartz]

I wanna keep valiant

[spiral fable]

you dont need a ground immunity

i do not understand why people are obsessed with the idea of "you need resistances for everything"

[sly mauve]

It’s balance tho

He’s gonna be pivoting a lot

And ground is everywhere

He should at the very least have a resist

[spiral fable]

name every single offensive ground threat in the meta right now

[sly mauve]

Tusk

Lando

I see your point now-

[spiral fable]

Tusk is handled by pult + val and lando isn't offensive

this team has issues but a ground resist aint one of em

[sly mauve]

A resist would be nice tho

[sudden quartz]

I do have two resist teras in tran and tusk

[spiral fable]

nice maybe but definitely not necessary or something to point out when there's larger issues

like the fact they're using tran

[sly mauve]

Oh yeah why no glowking?

[sudden quartz]

Giving me a water resist

[spiral fable]

all the water threats in the meta blow you up anyways

[sly mauve]

This

Which is why Rillaboom would be helpful

[spiral fable]

waterpon nukes you with power whip wake destroys you with draco

this team also gets 6-0ed by kyurem

[sly mauve]

^

[spiral fable]

your only freeze dry resist is the 4x weak to ep heatran

[sudden quartz]

Okay, as i said i wanna keep val

[spiral fable]

I'll sit down and write a more comprehensive breakdown later

[sudden quartz]

And preferably Pult

[sly mauve]

Don’t worry I gotchu

[spiral fable]

val really puts your team in an awkward spot

[spiral fable]

aight have fun then

[sly mauve]

You can count on me

I think

Anyways yeah band valiant is just really weird

You already have a gambit check in tusk

I would run Rillaboom for instant power for water types

Which lets you run glowking

[sudden quartz]

My main idea is functioning as a CC breaker with future sight support

Anyways, as i said i would really like to keep CB valiant, even if its slightly subotimal

[sly mauve]

It’s very unoptimal

[sudden quartz]

Especially since most teams around balance, bo and offence have to run tusk

[sly mauve]

There’s just better immediate power you can use

Valiant is usually reserved for speed control

[brisk cedar]

Run tera fighting on valiant

it does over 50% to dondozo

[sudden quartz]

I was considering it

Yea, ill switch

[sly mauve]

But then they curse and revenge kill the next turn

[brisk cedar]

Ice punch over spirit break probably too

[sly mauve]

^

Spirit Break is mid

[sudden quartz]

Really?

[sly mauve]

Bro it’s 75 Bp

[sudden quartz]

I have found spirit break to be pretty solid

[sly mauve]

It’s just not that strong

CC is much more spammable

If u want stab

And ice punch beats most dragons CC doesn’t

[sudden quartz]

hmm, okay

Could Torn-T work as a ground resist

Acctually probably not

[sly mauve]

Yeah I wouldn’t use it

Bro fell off this Gen

I still think Rillaboom would synergize really well here but that’s up to you

It’s your team after all lol

[sudden quartz]

I dont love rilla on a already very physical team

Even with Future sight

[sly mauve]

You’re running banded Val tho

Also u only have three physical attackers lol

[sudden quartz]

Yea, thats what makes the team physical

Oh, you ment swap for Val

[sly mauve]

That’s half and half

[sudden quartz]

Okay, what could i swap for something that isnt Val

[brisk cedar]

Having a lot of physical doesn't matter

[sly mauve]

It fixes your water matchup and let’s u run glowking which is overall better

[sly mauve]

^

[brisk cedar]

As long as you have answers to stuff like Zamazenta

and you have dragapult

[sly mauve]

And glowking if u run that

Since crunch is like a 4HKO

[sudden quartz]

So what would be the benifits of swapping from slowking to glowking

[sly mauve]

More resists

Like to fairy

Quad resist fighting

It’s just overall better right now

[spiral fable]

you also dont get imediately nuked by kyurem

[sudden quartz]

What about water resist

[sly mauve]

This

[sly mauve]

RILLABOOM-

I give up lol if u don’t wanna run Rillaboom that’s fine

I’ve presented my case for it

[sudden quartz]

Yea, im sorry

Could i get some other help tho

[sly mauve]

Also u don’t get fd by u turn

Which is nice

[sudden quartz]

i was running flamebody tran

Cuz slowking covers fire types

[sly mauve]

Bulk Up tusk is iffy

I would run a more defensive bulk up set if u wanna do that

Other then that looks good

[sudden quartz]

yea, i just didnt wanna dupe knock

[sly mauve]

Then what’s the point in Heatran lmao

[sudden quartz]

Hmm, ig

[sly mauve]

That is why you’re running it right?

Also u can still run bulk up tusk I would just make it more defensive

And btw grassy terrain helps with that

[sudden quartz]

Okay, so what should i run?

[sly mauve]

What’s wrong with dupe knock off lol

It’s a great move

[sudden quartz]

Yea, ig

I just like it as a lategame setup mon in certain situtations

but i havent used it much tbh

[sly mauve]

I just don’t think it’s necessary yeah

I would run knock off instead

Don’t change anything else tho

[sudden quartz]

Okay, i swapped

[sudden quartz]

So should i run glowking or slowking?

Either way im still weak to ground

[sly mauve]

…

I would run glowking

[sudden quartz]

Okay

[sly mauve]

Welp that’s all I got lol

[sudden quartz]

Then i still need something into fire

And a ground resist

[sly mauve]

Heatran

[sly mauve]

…

[sudden quartz]

I just dont know how to fit rilla

either way it still has some breaking issues

[sly mauve]

*without replacing Valiant

[sly mauve]

That’s why it has five other teammates to support it

[sudden quartz]

Rillaboom wouldnt magically make this team amazing, it still has issues

[sudden quartz]

but that would be a diffrent team

[sly mauve]

So does valiant

Everything has issues

If they didn’t they would be in ubers

[sudden quartz]

I know that CB rilla teams are good, but i wanna try something else

fair

[sly mauve]

Honestly I would just test it out

If it works then cool but if you feel like Rillaboom would help in the matches u lose u know what to do

[sudden quartz]

Yea, i just gotta decide on a sixth mon, since i dont think heatran really works with glowking

What is the idea behind defensiv dragonite

and how would it be built

What about rotom wash

[spiral fable]

wash really strugles in this hazard filled meta

[sudden quartz]

https://pokepast.es/2216af3f993667e4

[sudden quartz]

Its immune to spikes

So why is that such an issue?

[spiral fable]

doesn't like rocks chipping 12% on switch in + its defenses arent good enough to survive

[sudden quartz]

Hmmm

Does really help with what i need tho

Ground resist, water resist, fire resist

Got pivoting move to get valiant in

Can spread status for pult

[sudden quartz]

Also, all the sets arent perfect, could do some edits there

[spiral fable]

you really dont need a ground resist

if you want a water resist pivot you can try prim or mola

[sudden quartz]

Mola could be cool

Don’t love prim, takes passive damage everywhere and doesn’t really threaten

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/11515c0135d52499

need help w this team, main focus is zama + glowking

[sly mauve]

Poison Jab Gliscor is only good on stall tbh

I would run toxic or knock off

And idk about assault vest Glowking

[sudden quartz]

@sly mauve Im still not sold on dropping spirit break

Okay, i did some testing and stuff and im honestly really happy with this team

I feel like it can handle most issues, and CB val is really able to shine

https://pokepast.es/7a626d6c823f6f21

Still need a bit of help on EVs and tera types

Also could try making gambit bulkier for a better ghost resist

If anyone would like to give some feedback

Not 100% on alomamola, but it does pretty well

Also dont have any hazards

[sly mauve]

What elo is this at

[cloud blade]

Lol cb val is ass even with trick just run booster

U need a booster mon

Losing to cinderace the movie:

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/83fb67788f1dab11

This is the only way I can think of using dragonite lol appreciate any feedback

[cloud blade]

Honestly if ur running screens run atales, if ur running deo run the sash hazards set, but even then glimm does it better

[spiral fable]

Ok well you’ve got two Tera hogs

[spiral fable]

Nah deo s is fine

You beat every other hazard lead it’s fun

[cloud blade]

Mk i just dont like the light clay set tbh

It feels like it just gets uturned on by lando when u taunt

[spiral fable]

You have two Tera hogs, technically three if you count dnite

So either run Tera grass full offensive volc or drop serp(run Tera grass offensive volc)

[cloud blade]

Serp can be made dpulse instead

Or subseed glare

[spiral fable]

Sub seed glare is annoying but not good

[sly mauve]

👍

[spiral fable]

You need Tera blast ground no matter what

But dpulse can replace glare/sub

[cloud blade]

Fair

I was thinking of making volc tera ground

Actually

Basically switching them

So u can just operate pretty similarly but be less tera reliant

[spiral fable]

Nah

[cloud blade]

With serp

Fair

Hmmm

@sly mauve btw umm ur stall matchup

Is like

Atrocious

From what i can tell

[spiral fable]

No real way to avoid that lol

[cloud blade]

Umm the valiant set could be tweaked, and you could make gambit glasses tera dark

Valiant could take psyshcok

Or be made mixed

[spiral fable]

You still blank into clod

[cloud blade]

Ye lol but at least then you only blank into 1 out of 6 instead of the entire team

[spiral fable]

…blanking into 1/6 is blanking into the entire team, when you’re facing stall

That’s kinda the whole point of stall

[cloud blade]

With encore+psyshock, you can force tera though

[spiral fable]

Yeah then what

[cloud blade]

Which gives you chance

[spiral fable]

Not really

[cloud blade]

Forgot he was bulky volc

[spiral fable]

You still get walled by clod for days + you lose crucial coverage against gking

[cloud blade]

I thought he was offensive volc

[spiral fable]

Even offensive volc can’t break through

Unless you get a lot of lucky crits

[cloud blade]

@spiral fable the team would have a better matchup with hazards but without knock UHH

Like with even just rocks offensive volc+encore val could beat clod

By pp stalling the recovers

Through if u have knock

[spiral fable]

The stall user isn’t stupid

[cloud blade]

Ik

[spiral fable]

They know that encore is coming from Val and will play accordingly

[cloud blade]

They will switch out

Allowing rocks chip

And if ur get the burn

Ur gonna beat it

For sure

If u dont misplay

[spiral fable]

Ok quite frankly dragon I don’t think you know what you’re talking about

[cloud blade]

I do

I play stall

Bliss is better

Into volc

[spiral fable]

So do I?

[cloud blade]

Im thinking after tera steel

I forgot to mention

[spiral fable]

Even if they tera steel blissey can switch in on volc and wall it

[cloud blade]

I meant clod

Tera steel clod

[spiral fable]

Yes