#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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fierce basin
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I'm gonna get Alex after I walk home

clear sentinel
fierce basin
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okay,
first off if you want hatterene to do something I'd put a seed on it since you already have terrain. grassy seed hatt is probably my favorite mon to pair w rillaboom, it grants you a lot of longevity and lets you come in on physical attackers. you can run mystical fire but I like nuzzle. The speed EVs are to outpace speed invested pex so it can't haze your boosts away before you stored power it, if you aren't concerned w that you can lower the speed
I'm making your heatran outpace jolly kingambit
I'm giving your rillaboom bulk cause I dont think it needs full speed so it heals more off the grassy terrain
I'm giving your hawlucha more bulk, I copied the set from the sample team and then crept it by 1 so you'll beat the people using that set
Grassy terrain teams nowadays run all sorts of stuff, from seed gouging fire, to gholdengo etc. So there's really no reason to just be running 2 of pult/val like you said when you could have smth that takes advantage of terrain. Booster valiant I think should be replaced with a ground to ease the raging neck match up, I made it a speed boosting tusk with bulk up
Updated paste https://pokepast.es/5f141740479fd481
other options:
Taunt on heatran over rocks for terad volc and other guys
mystical fire over nuzzle on hatt like you originally had, or less speed
if you're feeling like a bad person you can make the pult sash dual status
Hope this helps good luck have fun

gleaming zephyr
# fierce basin okay, first off if you want hatterene to do something I'd put a seed on it since...

Thanks for the analysis and improving the team^^

then crept it by 1 so you'll beat the people using that set
thats pretty clever

I am having a hard time judging when to use mons with a one-time use Item since I feel like I loose a lot of value on them after switching them in the first time, but I guess that comes with experience (or maybe I just have the wrong mindset for a HO team).

I get really tilted against para spam which is why I wanna avoid it on my Pult and Hatt, but that is probably not the right approach, I might give both options a try

Im gonna give the team a try and maybe slide into your DMs with some questions in the future if that is alright with you

fierce basin
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I've had other people say they don't like seed for the same reason, but after trying it they liked it. I think seed hatt is so comically good especially when arch is gone in a week or w.e

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but yeah personally I don't switch it in more than once when I use it

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I like nuzzle hatt cause it can stop stuff from getting out of control like if a roaring moon turned into a bird type in front of you and dded 2x

quasi holly
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https://pokepast.es/7263ee50d14d01d6
Been playing for a few years but always use teams from other people as didn’t have knowledge on team builder, this is my first team after researching cores, meta, etc. (thanks to pinkheracross and jamvad)

This is a team with a hydrapple core, seem to be doing ok but feel like there's room for improvement, thank you!

Edit: After looking through myself I feel like I’m weak to toxic spikes and special attackers such as volc and raging bolt

spiral fable
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Drop crunch for aqua jet on skewda
Ghold, tusk, and Enamorus bring nothing to rain
Tusk is outclassed by the far better iron treads on rain, which is faster and can pivot out with volt switch
Ghold is a slow spattacker(which raging bolt does far better on rain), and good as gold isn’t necessary when you don’t really care about maintaining hazards anyways
Enamorus just doesn’t offer much: if you want a fast revenge killer, rain has bolt, skewda, and gambit. If you want a strong cleaner lategame, gambit does the job far better.
I would recommend running the sample triple steel rain team, which has all the changes I would make

https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b

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wise depot
latent gyro
spiral fable
# wise depot https://pokepast.es/6cba5fc1db7382fe look at this stoobid rain team that i stole...

I’m going to be honest the changes you made here just made the team worse
No dragon type wants to switch in on skewda anyways(except Hydrapple but that’s only on highly niche teams) and aqua jet is far more useful for picking off threats like gambit
Wellspring just doesn’t bring much to rain rn. You already have 2/3 mons(if you count gambit) to deal with opposing rain, and skewda covers physical breaker fine. Meanwhile, gambit offers speed control outside of rain, a late game cleaner, and potential revenge killer.
Draco on Bolt completely undermines the cm set go back to dpulse
Steel Beam just wastes Treads, when you can easily pivot out with volt switch/eject button instead
Go back to the sample you based this team off of

https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b

fierce root
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fierce basin
# fierce root https://pokepast.es/dc94f2107a98247c how can I improve this team I’m very bad at...

If you're gonna run a suicide lead hamu there's not much point in running a mon like glowking that gives up momentum and allows for removal, better off making it a volc (val check)
I wouldn't run modest pult can make it dnite or smth with a ground immunity or earth power fast helmet Lando for glimm matchup
Tusk should be speed booster w bulk up over knock and tera poison
On mobile so can't give you updated paste but it isn't many changes

latent gyro
spiral fable
latent gyro
fierce basin
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Yeah skewda runs jet for potential endgame sucker outplay

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Cause rain is generally weak to gambit

spiral fable
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Also can be useful as a last ditch tool if rain runs out

latent gyro
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with choice band aqua jet is really rare

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ima use crunch rn

spiral fable
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up to you ¯_(ツ)_/¯

latent gyro
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also why eject button

spiral fable
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Crunch hits nothing that liquidation/cc doesn’t

latent gyro
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like gold

spiral fable
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If ghold is surviving a rain boosted banded liquidation you’ve fucked up

latent gyro
spiral fable
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Tera water liquidaton has a 30% chance to ohko from full

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Guaranteed with rocks chip

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And guaranteed 2hko

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If you’re going to drop aqua jet at least run psychic fangs to hit clod instead

spiral fable
latent gyro
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ok

latent gyro
spiral fable
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You switch it in on some attack and it either dies, giving you a safe pivot, or survives and procs eject button, pivoting safely

latent gyro
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ohhh

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why surf over weather ball

spiral fable
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So you can click it out of rain

fierce root
spiral fable
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Yes

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If you run a suicide lead it should be ho

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Never run a suicide lead outside of ho

fierce root
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Huh never knew that thanks for the info

spiral fable
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Suicide leads essentially force you to play 5-6, and the only reason it’s worth it on ho teams is because they can keep up the tempo and deny the opponent the chance to remove hazards, while benefitting from the chip/webs/veil

latent gyro
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Running a special set

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Wtf

spiral fable
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Can beat glimm without proccing spikes, can beat arch

latent gyro
spiral fable
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Earth power gets the job done

ionic crag
velvet path
dreamy moss
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Can't play offensive with it

fierce basin
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Idk if this is for gen 7 or for SS natdex but this thread is for sv ou

ocean pumice
ocean pumice
latent gyro
ocean pumice
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Ye but youll rarely need the coverage anyways

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Keeping gambit from sucker punching sounds better 2 me

ocean pumice
# ionic crag https://pokepast.es/2dfdbfcb1ce59d9f tried making a blaziken team for some reaso...

Take my advice with a grain of salt because I'm not a rater but waste of sun as it only benefits Blaziken and has anti synergy with your own Ogerpon. Weather in general is revolved around stacking abusers and having just one is not it.

If you wanna build sun I don't think Blaziken is good on there, so you should probably see a sample

If you wanna build around Blaziken I'd suggest doing either webs or terrain. Webs would be SD flare blitz close combat tect with life orb and an adamant nature, tera ghost lets you spinblock and sd for free. Terrain would be sd flare blitz cc acro tera flying, with like grassy seed. Jolly nature

ionic crag
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How should the team look like with terrains or hazards

ocean pumice
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Now that I think about it gterrain seems to appreciate hawlucha more

ionic crag
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How does the set look like then with webs

ocean pumice
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Life orb and adamant nature

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Tera ghost

ionic crag
ocean pumice
ionic crag
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What about hazard removal?

ocean pumice
# ionic crag What about hazard removal?

webs generally doesnt need hazard removal because the point is to accumulate so much momentum that your opponent cant waste a turn removing or setting hazards

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primal turtle
spiral fable
spiral fable
# primal turtle https://pokepast.es/c906c854cd595db7 can someone rate this

This team just doesn't work
You stack 6 attacking mons with no hazards or support
Power Herb Arch just isn't a real set, it's way too slow outside of rain and too frail without vest
Throat Spray Skeledirge is similarly bad, you take way too much chip and once again are too slow to truly make use of the set
Shadow Claw hits nothing that kowtow doesn't, and is worse because you don't get stab nor the same power of kowtow
Aura Sphere is iffy on val and you'd rather run psyshock to hit clod
Supercell slam hits nothing if you're really that desperate to hit flying types use temper flare, but ice spinner is much better for hitting gliscor
You have no evs on bolt and tera blast fairy is better
This team just doesn't synergize well: it's a ho structure with unviable sets and 2 mons that don't fit here + you have no suicide lead
I would recommend scrapping the team and using a sample

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT
spiral fable
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Learn the common set and team structures, as well as the roles each mon can play within them

wise depot
restive island
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rate my team

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Gojira (Tyranitar) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 24 SpA / 216 SpD
Sassy Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Knock Off
  • Stone Edge
  • Ice Beam

Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Mirror Armor
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 96 Def / 160 SpD
Careful Nature

  • U-turn
  • Defog
  • Roost
  • Body Press

Clodsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Poison
IVs: 4 Atk / 30 SpA

  • Recover
  • Earthquake
  • Protect
  • Toxic Spikes

Cloyster @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Skill Link
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature

  • Shell Smash
  • Rest
  • Icicle Spear
  • Hydro Pump

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Knock Off
  • Acrobatics
  • Earthquake
  • Dragon Dance

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 108 Def / 40 SpA / 112 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Shadow Ball
  • Make It Rain
  • Nasty Plot
  • Recover
real willow
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sullen turtle
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soft plume
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https://pokepast.es/e92e01a140d4897e

I'm liking the team so far, but dengo being my special bulk feels kinda meh sometimes, also 4 fire weakness isn't a great feeling. But everything else has honestly felt pretty good

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Oh wait. Consider the kingambit to be Tera flying. Not dark. I forgot to change that

soft plume
fierce basin
# soft plume https://pokepast.es/da43bb64a044989d Updated after finding a few holes and mist...

there's no point in running this tusk here when you have skarm, with a structure like yours with most mons ignoring hazards you kind of have to lean all the way into it so your ground should be gliscor
whole team is owned by booster val/volc/kyurem, so your spdef slot would need to be something that checks all of these, could run your own volc if you weren't so weak to volc yourself but with your team you'd need glowking or even haze pex
feels like it would be hard to get in pult since the only mon with a pivot move is meow
it's kinda like you took these 3 teams and put them together but removed the checks to all the important guys, I've stared at the team for awhile and had it open in my builder but any changes I make is just making progress towards one of these
note each has something for val/volc/kyurem (haze pex, glowking/t wave pult, volc)
so I'd try picking up one of these samples to get a hang of things for the aforementioned reasons https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/ hope this helps, good luck have fun

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rigid light
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https://pokepast.es/1e9c2fb61c29ace6 Ceruledge team. The idea is that with some hazard support Ceru could outspeed and ko a bunch of threats and the ones it cant are covered by the other members. A little gimmicky but I wanted to make something with Ceru on it. I feel like in practice its not working the way I want it to tho

spiral fable
# rigid light https://pokepast.es/614eefdc44dbb1a7 How's my team

Most of these sets aren’t real and you have no team structure in mind
The only “hazards” you have are from deo s, but it’s also running a weird mix between an attacking and suicide lead set(and the set in general just doesn’t work, drain punch really? No taunt means opposing leads can set up easily)
You have a suicide lead but the rest of the team isn’t orientated for ho at all, you have no setup sweepers, just a bunch of bulky mons
Reflect is a waste of a move slot on corv when you have id, defog is not necessary on this set, steel beam is a complete waste when you’re supposed to take hits, figy berry is outclassed lefties and berries in general aren’t good.
Rest curse dozo is fine in a vacuum, but it sorely does not fit on this offensive-ish team and would much rather prefer liquidation to not take unnecessary chip
Running arch without either stab and foul play + rest talk is a completely waste of an arch, turns it passive af and free setup fodder for mons like volc
Banded therian isn’t that good since it’s outsped by a lot and we have better breakers, like the specs kyurem you have(which should be tera ice)

This team just has no structure, most sets don’t work, and there’s no synergy between the mons. I would recommend scrapping it and using a sample team to learn the meta game and common team structures/sets first

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT
rigid light
brisk cedar
# iron slate https://pokepast.es/1e9c2fb61c29ace6 Ceruledge team. The idea is that with some ...

The set and team don't work with ceruledge, with how much booster energy, priority and unaware is in the tier the set will be very inconsistent, image below is the ceruledge sample set.

Team doesn't work with ceruledge because of playstyle issues, the team has no clear goal that it works towards. Corviknight and Clodsire want to be on teams with a lot of bulk and staying power so that their longevity actually matters, the Rillaboom set isn't good and doesn't fit with anything while scarf Kyurem isn't good and also doesn't fit with anything, for Ceruledge to work you need to build an HO team focused on battering the opponents with a ton of sweepers and a breaker alongside a suicide lead (screens, rocks or spikes)

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iron slate
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I see ty

velvet path
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marsh falcon
spiral fable
# marsh falcon https://pokepast.es/724a50943dc6de8e idk bout this onr

If you want to run rain, go full rain, don't cut it in half
If you want to go ho, go full ho, don't slot a weather setter on there unless its the suicide lead
Life Orb Meow doesn't fit on either playstyle, and it's not very good in general, it'll much rather prefer boots(but still doesn't fit on HO)
the sets are all fine you just shouldnt' split the teamstyles like this: rain needs to have as many abusers as possible to maximize the value of the 8 turns of rain offered, while HO needs as many set up sweepers as possible to keep the constant pressure up, and they don't really gel with each other. Especially since you're already playing 5-6 with a suicide lead, and then essentially 4-6 with a weather setter, that puts you at a severe disadvantage.

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I would recommend simply sticking to the rain sample for now

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!gen9ousamples

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marsh falcon
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alright

bleak burrow
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marsh falcon
spiral fable
# marsh falcon https://pokepast.es/c78b127a9ea4bfce sun

This is a pretty decent sun team, though there's a few things I would change
Moon on Sun prefers to be banded, as it becomes a monstrous breaker with banded booster attack (it also can't get rid of its booster under sun kinda undercutting the whole acrobatics set)
I think Raging Bolt is better on a CM lefties set, allowing it to avoid being locked into thunderclap and set up on, as well as giving it a better matchup into rain
I would recommend a Heat Crash with Morning Sun set for Gouging Fire, to give it better longevity, drop Dragon Claw
Drop Moth for Hatterene, moth doens't really offer much for sun when you already have speed control in hlilligant(and you can make some mons speed booster if you find yourself still struggling), while Eject Button hatterene offers you a quick one time pivot out of torkoal + a late game healing wish that could save a team

marsh falcon
spiral fable
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swap calm mind on hatt for nuzzle

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alright

cold field
spiral fable
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Do not repost teams we’ll get to them when we have the time

fierce basin
# cold field what do we think https://pokepast.es/0d402f4ce1b3944c

Hi,
I think you are supremely weak to too many common threats w this team like zamazenta (4 guys weak to body press) great tusk kingambit moon etc.
I can't tell what direction you were trying to go for as the team is lacking in synergy, but uturn is a wasted slot on maushold (should be bite so you can pray to flinch down ghosts like ghold/pult if you manage to set up)
Your whole team is weak to hazards but a lot of your mons are passive to the point that odds are hazards are gonna go down

I think heatran is a redundant slot w av prim and it should be something like pult so you don't instalose to zama, but if you were to keep it,
heatran should be calm spdef invest reaching 219 speed to outpace jolly bisharp, idk why your glisc/heatran are natured one way but eved the other, in gen 9 with such power creep it's hard to have a mon do more than 1 thing so tran for example should be full spdef to better answer the things it needs to answer (unless ur smth like alo that invests in both def and spdef because the HP stat is already so high)

I'd scrap this team since it feels too weak to too many meta threats and I can't figure out a way to fix it while maintaining the spirit of the original team, but I hope this input helps for your next attempt. Alternatively, check the sample teams and ladder up with one of those so you can get a feel of why certain mons are on certain structures https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
Good luck and have fun

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reef token
quick bluff
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would also run lefties on raging bolt

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and maybe fblitz over heat crash on gouging

glacial crag
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Wait, hang on it didn’t work

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is there anything I should change about it?

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I just made the team

sly mauve
glacial crag
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thanks!

glacial crag
sly mauve
glacial crag
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appreciate it

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i’ve been mostly playing ru

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so I wanted to give this one a second shot

spiral fable
glacial crag
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which guys should I replace?

spiral fable
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Gonna be honest you’re going to need to replace most of the sets and a few mons

glacial crag
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yeah, that makes sense

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i’m guessing the samur ott will have to go?

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and probably the water monkey

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Forgotten name

glacial crag
spiral fable
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Ok this team just doesn’t work
Enamorus isn’t that good on non webs ho, and agility doesn’t really work on it
Tusk isnt that good either, more fitting on veil/screens ho
Hamurott is fine but I find Glimmora or Deo S to be far more reliable leads
Val is fine but that set doesn’t work at all: this is ho, you need set up sweepers not 4 attack mons
Gliscor doesn’t fit on non veil ho teams
And ogerpon isn’t the best fit for a spikes ho either, due to lacking ways to boost speed without sacrificing a valuable slot for trailblaze, plus the set doesn’t work at all

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I would recommend you stick to a sample team HO for now, and learn the common mons and sets used for such a playstyle

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT
spiral fable
glacial crag
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appreciate it

spiral fable
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And a tip for future teambuilding, try to use smogon sets. They’re the standard for a reason

glacial crag
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yeah, you’re right

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really appreciate the help!

spiral fable
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Np

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Lmk if you have any questions

glacial crag
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all right

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Yeah, I’ll definitely use that team that you sent

glacial crag
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I played like three games with it and so far haven’t even used anyone past glimm and Volc

spiral fable
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Low ladder be like that sometimes

fierce basin
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Hi, psyshock moonblast isn't sufficient coverage on valiant imo cause you're walled by ghold and glowking. Should drop encore for shadow ball. Additionally you need to speed creep your Lando so it can get a hit off on stuff like arch/bolt (like 228 speed prob). if you feel too weak to bulk up tusk you can make it fully special since grass knot won't save you if they turn poison and start bulking
Alternatively drop lando for bulk up speed booster tusk and make cinderace smth like weav/meow/zama that can take advantage of being paired w future sight, but kyurem is potentially enough
Seems mostly fine tho I can't spot a glaring issue but I'm good at missing stuff
Good luck have fun

glacial crag
spiral fable
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Eh, it's not worth the sacrifice

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Spikes are useful but you'd much rather prefer the ability to lategame sweep with gambit

pulsar geyser
glacial crag
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yeah, that is true

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glacial crag
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because of the amount of physical attackers

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but it might just be a skill issue on my part

spiral fable
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Volc can 1v1 arch (or at least chip it enough to allow another mon to revenge)

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And Volc similarly completely stomps corv

glacial crag
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also, Lando rus is also a big threat

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what would be the best way to deal with him?

cloud blade
# pulsar geyser https://pokepast.es/360ce9d6c33d9a9f

Encore on valiant, I’d honestly reccomend tera water on volc over ground here, and lefties on lu. Ghold set i dont like either, a balloon set is fine but your team is relatively full of setup anyway so u would benefit way more from a scarf ghold or specs pult/hex pult to offer good revenge killing and immediate speed

cloud blade
spiral fable
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just make it a cm or sd set

glacial crag
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thanks!

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so spirit break close combat encore and Zen headbutt?

spiral fable
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no

glacial crag
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I don’t know what the best move set is

spiral fable
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go here

pulsar geyser
# cloud blade Encore on valiant, I’d honestly reccomend tera water on volc over ground here, a...

taunt is to block court change which the team is largely centred around hazards while my team doesnt care. balloon twave is kinda mandatory for some setup seepers in this meta for that team just bc team is weak to dnite etc. ting lu red card is very valuable against volcarona and is great in a lead situation to force uncomfortable situations on the opponent off the bat.

i was having success with this teams around 1900s. stall mu is the only thing that needs to be improved. the team is extremely good into offence and decent into balance structures

spiral fable
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scroll down to calm mind or swords dance

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and pick one

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If you're already finding good success with the team why are you posting it here

pulsar geyser
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asking for help with the stall mu

glacial crag
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appreciate it!

glacial crag
spiral fable
glacial crag
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I am going to ask my sister if she can draw a fedora and shades on it so I can use it as my background

pulsar geyser
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also the mimikyu HO is kinda outdated for this meta and everyone knows it cuz its a sample and very popular. its also not up to date with some meta trends like the weather spam thats taken over and a rise in usage of lando. its definitely a very solid structure tho but it can be tinkered with a lot i think

glacial crag
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if that would be all right

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if not, it’s fine

spiral fable
spiral fable
glacial crag
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sweet

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do you have the full picture?

cloud blade
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I use stall

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So i can help

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If u want

pulsar geyser
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yea sure

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every team i build is weak to stall. i think im a very competent builder but i struggle with stall mu extensively in my building

cloud blade
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@pulsar geyser if u can fit

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Encore or taunt on dnite

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Idk if dnite gets taunt

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That would

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Fix ur stall matchup

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But u also lack

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A choiced breaker

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To apply pressure

spiral fable
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dnite gets encore but it blanks into curse dozo

cloud blade
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And switch

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And ur fine

spiral fable
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into what? nothing can pressure the team enough

cloud blade
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Ifg

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Fair

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Ye

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I think

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Specs

pulsar geyser
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its like

cloud blade
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On something

pulsar geyser
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an ok answer into stall

cloud blade
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Would go a long way

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Or banded

spiral fable
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At the level you're playing at I don't think encore dnite is nearly enough to break stall

cloud blade
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Would be even better

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U need

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A choiced breaker

pulsar geyser
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scarf val would be ok, i dont really love dropping taunt tho just bc of cinderace

cloud blade
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Bandnite is really good

pulsar geyser
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i have no hazard controls so bandnite isnt an option

cloud blade
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Unless u wanna

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Drop a mon

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For a dedicated stall answer

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Or add psyshock

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Okay

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Here

spiral fable
pulsar geyser
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i built this team because i hate how if ur building offence but not glim spikes or screens ur kinda locked into not having hazard control

cloud blade
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Gholdengo set

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Lets change that

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Nasty plot

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Psyshock

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Dazzling gleam/make it rain/sb

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Recover

pulsar geyser
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that could work

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it was originally an offensive gholdengo

spiral fable
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blank into tera steel clod

pulsar geyser
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yeah

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fuck clodsire tho

spiral fable
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:(

pulsar geyser
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forcing tera on clod isnt bad for the stall mu anyway

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in my case

cloud blade
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Valiant has a field day

pulsar geyser
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yeah

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pretty much

spiral fable
pulsar geyser
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valiant can close to 6-0 from there

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no but ice spinner on dnite usually can lure it

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decently well

cloud blade
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Have max spatj

pulsar geyser
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gliscor is pressured really easily by this team

cloud blade
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Idk

cloud blade
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Ye

pulsar geyser
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not worried about gliscor mu, just requires good play

cloud blade
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Val has taunt

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So it should be perfectly fine

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Against scor

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They cant tect for recovery

spiral fable
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lemme just pull up the hydrapple stall rq

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!gen9ousamples

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cloud blade
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Its pjab knock

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But it loses

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Without tect

pulsar geyser
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the team is only weak to hydrapple stall bc of poison jab gliscor crazy enough

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actually

cloud blade
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On volc

pulsar geyser
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u know what fixes this stall mu completely

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just flips it on its head

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tera ghost kyurem

cloud blade
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?

pulsar geyser
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im not kidding

cloud blade
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Wrong

pulsar geyser
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walls blissey

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blissey is the only answer to mix kyu

cloud blade
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Blissey doesnt need to be walled

pulsar geyser
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forces a tera at the least

cloud blade
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It needs to wall u

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Kyruem gets hardwalled by clod

spiral fable
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no jack might be onto something

cloud blade
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After tera

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Also

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A lot of blissey

cyan halo
pulsar geyser
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yeah and then i just go into my iron valiant and knock and cc everything

cloud blade
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Run cm

pulsar geyser
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and kyu has pressure yeah

cloud blade
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Alurring

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Voice

spiral fable
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its a quick n dirty solution but it could work

cloud blade
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Its not foolproof

pulsar geyser
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sorry i refuse to believe alurring voice is real

cloud blade
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Especially sb cm bliss

pulsar geyser
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the major problem i had in actually playing stall was that blissey beat even mixed kyu

cloud blade
cloud blade
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Kyurem @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Ice Beam
  • Freeze-Dry
  • Earth Power
  • Scale Shot
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this is one of my fav kyu sets

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modest hits crazy, scale shot is really good into passive teams with limited speed control

spiral fable
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Also jesus this has gone on for a long time lets take it to comp gen

pulsar geyser
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+1 kyu modest hits everything and outspeeds a lot

cloud blade
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Fair

sly mauve
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Rate please :3

fierce root
surreal bloom
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U need removal

fierce root
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bleak burrow
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i am cooking

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thin ether
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i missed sneasler big nugget tech

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next best thing

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rate please

spiral fable
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this is literally just a link to the teambuilder

bleak burrow
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ohh

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damn

bleak burrow
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@spiral fable

spiral fable
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If I’m not rating your team it’s because I’m busy rn

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I’ll get to it when I have the time

bleak burrow
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ok :)

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modest oyster
delicate pike
spiral fable
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ok idk why you attached a whole ass html doc but im really not reading that

delicate pike
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Oh wait

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Isnt it a replay?

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Sorry!!

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Now hear me out, i know this looks like complete garbage. And it probably is. BUT i think that the fact that it looks like a half decent team from the outside makes it, idk, shocking or surprising or maybe a bit of both that this... thing is going on

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(if you really dont think its anything special id be very welcoming to an explanation, but please dont roast me)

spiral fable
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Unfortunately teams that try to run "surprise" sets to catch their opponents off guard fail 80% of the time

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Choice Scarf Gambit sounds cool, but then you realize that you cannot play sucker punch mindgames anymore, miss out on crucial ohko thresholds, and become set up fodder for a lot of mons in the tier
SD gliscor just isn't reliable, and you have the fun time of being absolutely run over by rain
Thunder punch val hits what exactly? Why not just run a mixed set with Tbolt then? And Destiny Bond isn't the worst per say but if you run no stab you get to blank into gambit, which you NEVER want to do. You also blank into rmoon, which will ddance for free on this mon then blow up your entire team
Sash pult turns into fodder the instant hazards go up, and you dont even break stall(which is one of mixed pult's more beneficial traits) beacuse you dont run ddarts to hit blissey
Defense invested volc does nothing to help honestly, you're still gambling off of flame body procs(and mons like rmoon frankly don't give a shit)
Speaking of rmoon, without bug stab you blank into every dragon of the tier, which will all set up on you

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Specs Kyurem is there ig

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The team just doesn't work: You try to catch someone by surprise but these mons aren't good because of their "surpise" factor, they're good because the sets they run have been proven to fulfill the niches and roles on their team well. Trying to run a surprise set just to pray an opponent gets caught off guard by it will not take you far.

delicate pike
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Ok understood!

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I will keep that in mind in future cooking

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Thanks :3

sly mauve
spiral fable
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!gen9ousamples

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pulsar geyser
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Band was a real set on Kingambit back before even HOME came out btw

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If you wanna use a choice item

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It's probably bad but it's not unviable

spiral fable
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I wouldn't argue its a real set now

delicate pike
pulsar geyser
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It's not @spiral fable but like, idk may as well mention it

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better than scarf at least

delicate pike
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Fair fair

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I apretiate it!

spiral fable
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i mean frankly there's a lot more issues with the team than "what choice item is gambit running"

pulsar geyser
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no ik but im not rating it just thought id mention that

spiral fable
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fair, if you want to build around gimmicks and just mess around with ladder you can certainly catch someone off guard, just don't expect a lot of success in the long run

pulsar geyser
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fair

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theres also gimmicks that are genuinely good

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im a dragon dance tyranitar believer now

spiral fable
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the rise of sash pult and its consequences on the ou meta

delicate pike
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Lmao

spiral fable
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(i just dont like mixed pult annoying bastard)

pulsar geyser
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sash double status pult is a genuine issue

sly mauve
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my man lokix is the GOAT

pulsar geyser
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its so hard

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to deal with

delicate pike
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Once a wise woman said:
Hyper offense is gen 9's bully and is stealing all the candy from the other playstyles

pulsar geyser
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eh

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HO loses to stall really badly

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so

delicate pike
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Well yeah but thats not what i meant

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They get to have the variety and fun

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Not necessarily that they win

sly mauve
delicate pike
spiral fable
# thin ether https://pokepast.es/41b13c4926149b81 ITS THE TM FOR BIG NUGGET

So this team has a few issues
Running a veil team is fine in OU (though you might struggle into lead deo s), but you need to have a set of mons that can synergize with veil well
Frankly, the only mon on this team that synergizes well is kyurem
Hawlucha only really works on GTerrain/Psyspam teams: without the immediate speed boost/defense boost you really struggle to set up before getting blown up by rmoon or val etc, tera ghost does nothing for lucha and it would much rather have tera flying or tera fire to boost fire punch
Hoopa Unbound just isn't that good in OU, and especially not on veil. Veil prefers mons that can boost their speed so they can sweep more effectively if veil runs out, as well as mons that can boost in general. Hoopa can do neither, and without choiced items(btw your evs are wack) it will fail to ohko crucial threats, as well as taking super effecitve damage from common threats of the metagame, nullifying veil's boost
You don't need treads on veil, especially when you have a lead already in Atales. It just wastes veil turns and hazards aren't too big of a problem(except webs but that's relatively uncommon now)
Azumarill struggles to KO threats with Aqua Jet even at +6, and with no way of boosting speed all it can rely on is surviving the opponent's attacking to kill with its stronger STABs. While Veil patches this problem, there's also just better mons that can still carry similar sweeping capabilities while not having to tank attacks to do it.

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This team just doesn't work, with 4/6 mons not synergizing well with Veil. I would recommend scrapping the team and learning common HO threats by using sample teams, link here

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!gen9ousamples

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sly mauve
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any thing to change?

pulsar geyser
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id change kyurem to specs for power and blizzard > ice beam bc u have chilly reception support

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nothing switches into specs blizzard kyurem

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except like blissey

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also boots > lefties on dirge

sly mauve
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and alot of time people just swap their peliper back in

pulsar geyser
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dirge should 1v1 arch with good play

sly mauve
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how would you facilitate a 1v1 with an arch??

pulsar geyser
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pelipper never switches into kyurem unless it needs a miss to win anyway

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u just

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hit it

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and slack off when ur low

sly mauve
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ok

sly mauve
pulsar geyser
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the team looks decent ill try it for a few games for u

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im in 1800s

sly mauve
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alrt

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thanks

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can i send another team for you to rate

sly mauve
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theyre insane

pulsar geyser
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yea

sly mauve
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so would i go freeze dry blizzard ep and draco?

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on kyurem?

pulsar geyser
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yes

sly mauve
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k

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anything to change on gambit?

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i kinda messed with the evs

pulsar geyser
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yea id use

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Kingambit @ Leftovers / Air Balloon
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 232 HP / 252 Atk / 24 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Sucker Punch
  • Swords Dance
  • Iron Head
  • Kowtow Cleav
sly mauve
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alrt

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thanks

pulsar geyser
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only played 1 game cuz team isnt my type of tea but this is the replay

pulsar geyser
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i dont think the team is bad just it requires good gameplanning and knowledge to win with it

sly mauve
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alrt

pulsar geyser
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i dont like tusk without ice spinner asw but i realize it needs knock. maybe knock > tect over gliscor but its very important to scout with scor for this team as well

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i really am shocked i won bc i didnt realize it was bandnite which is why i kept dirge in to wisp it as that wouldve made my win a lot easier if it wasnt band (i lived non band eq)

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so yea it works

sly mauve
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alrt

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can you rate another one of my teams?

pulsar geyser
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sure

sly mauve
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basically the same team

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but diff win cons

pulsar geyser
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this teams significantly worse because enamorus is a much worse breaker than kyurem and healing wish doesnt really do much for the team just bc of its quite defensive overall

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and ogerpon > kingambit means you lose a ghost resist

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and a steel type

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the team you had was fine, the major flaw is a lack of speed control previously this one you just lack essential resistances on a bulkier team which is bad

sly mauve
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ok so just scrap this one?

pulsar geyser
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i would yes

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since its just a worse version of your own other team

sly mauve
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alright

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is there anyway to include good speed control on my kyurem team?

pulsar geyser
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not entirely, a max speed tusk would be ok. twave helps with it a lot so having kyurem and tusk isnt too bad

sly mauve
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ok

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and any major threats i need to look out for?

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i know tera ground volc is a problem for me

pulsar geyser
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raging bolt is a pretty big threat

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need to keep dirge healthy

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raging bolt in rain is a massive problem in general

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this is an old team (used to be bax > kyurem) but it reminds me of the second team you sent with scarf enamorus. this used to be the best team in an older version of SV OU and its still usable. its a bit weaker with some of the new mons (specifically raging bolt and gliscor) but maybe it can help you with a frame for building

sly mauve
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k

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ill look into it

pulsar geyser
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its still very usable tho, iirc it was brought in SPL last week (the biggest singles tournament in the world) and was won with

sly mauve
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you dont mind if i tweak some stuff later right?

pulsar geyser
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its your teams, ofc not

sly mauve
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alrt

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thanks

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paper crater
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giving up grr

lime hazel
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https://pokepast.es/fdd8b6c985e621c1 - relatively new to sv ou format; was trying lots of uu mons and just got tired of losing tbh. whacked this team together with what i believe are fairly standard sets and standard ou mons and have started winning loads (weird ik). As the rating keeps growing want to make sure its as optimised as possible so that i can focus on my own play so open to any suggestions or obseervations at all!

fierce basin
# lime hazel https://pokepast.es/fdd8b6c985e621c1 - relatively new to sv ou format; was tryin...

Don't run 0 speed gambit, can run 44 invest to outpace blissey or even just 4 to outpace stuff you tie with. If you're gonna run black glasses I'd prob go max speed, or put it on a balloon for a better roaring moon matchup
I think in current meta with all the dragons around play rough is a preferable option on wogerpon compared to encore.
Flamethrower on pult over tbolt so you can hit steels like gambit
Hatt should be bold since it can get spdef boosts from calm minding anyway (also you can try nuzzle over mystical fire it's broken)
If you want you can make Lando earth power and have it outpace glimm so you always beat it 1v1 without t spikes going up (if it kills itself w mortal spin on your helmet it doesn't remove your rocks)
Ace doesn't fit here when you have a hatt, make it a volc so you aren't smashed by valiant
Can't give you an updated paste cause I'm on mobile sorry but good luck and have fun

lime hazel
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What you could do is swap out Iron Boulder for Specs Kyurem for a strong breaker that can threaten rain, swap corv out for mola, and bulky tusk over ting lu. This would give you rocks + hazard removal, while also a bulky water resist that can still pivot into other mons.

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what are u talking about?

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# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/b29963887b5792f7 looking for input 🙂

alright,
so when you spend a slot on a suicide lead like glimmora, the rest of your team should be dedicated to keeping up momentum to overwhelm the opponent so they don't have free turns to remove. Gliscor doesn't really gel with a hyper offensive style, really the only mons that do here are glimm/volc/gambit.
Idk why your volc is terablast electric, if you wanna run terablast you're better off with dragon as it's also a solid defensive tera and hits a lot of stuff that would normally check you like gouging fire/dnite/dragapult etc
if you're going to run low kick on gambit for opposing gambits it doesn't make sense to be 0 speed, made it full speed, can also go jolly
I'm slapping a speed booster bulk up great tusk over the gliscor, provides you with an additional wincon as well as emergency removal
while I think primarina could fit on an h.o team with something like the sub custap set, I don't think AV works very well here so I'm swapping it. tera ghost is to not get seismic tossed by blissey if you calm mind up alongside it
making your dragapult a ghold to keep hazards up, also making it a balloon which feels a bit silly but probably for the best since there's no ground immunity here
updated team https://pokepast.es/df9afd2c8bdd08b2
other options:
bulkier ghold w recover instead of full offensive, decided to go offensive w psyshock to help the stall matchup
glasses gambit
hope this helps, good luck have fun

sly mauve
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Actual 🐐

sly mauve
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I don't really get the switch to ghold from dragapult tbh, both keep hazards up and dragapult outspeeds so many things

fierce basin
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Or keep pult

sly mauve
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That sounds fun, makes sense thanks

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I think I go wogerpon I've never used it before

fierce basin
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If you do this I think you're better off with bulky ghold so you aren't as weak to zama

fierce basin
spiral fable
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Pult isn’t the best in ho because specs is choice locked and thus be played around, while ddance sets aren’t very good due to lack of reliable ghost stab

glacial crag
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does this team seem any decent?

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I made an attempt

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OK I gave ghold air balloon

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maybe I should replace Quaq with iron valiant or something?

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or like iron boulder

glacial crag
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_/°-°_

ocean pumice
glacial crag
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thanks!

glacial crag
ocean pumice
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serperior prolly

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oh and then also something that doesnt blank into zama

glacial crag
ocean pumice
glacial crag
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my bad I missed it

glacial crag
ocean pumice
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tera stellar enam (not sure about this)

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or cm val

glacial crag
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all right

glacial crag
ocean pumice
glacial crag
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with full HP instead of speed

ocean pumice
glacial crag
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thanks!

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so how much speed should I do along with timid?

ocean pumice
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the rest goes into speed

glacial crag
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thank you!

paper crater
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https://pokepast.es/6009960f5a637ff6 i liked (tera water) spdef idef garganacl vs a bunch of stuff like that breaking swipe gouging fire set, sun and rain and pult/ghold so i wanted to make a balance team around it, i use adamant samurott w boots kinda as a breaker and knock off mon that can actually beat gliscor. I added wish mola cuz i like it and it can help give all the other mons way more longevity as well as check stuff like great tusk and a lot of other physical attackers. i don't have a ground immunity which does kinda stink but mola and defensive tusk take hits from opposing tusks fine so i thought it was chill

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i do rly struggle vs specs kyurem though so thats bad, idrk how to beat that mon though

glacial crag
# ocean pumice the rest goes into speed

hey, my team seems to be really weak against corviknight/barraskewda so I was wondering if maybe I should replace one of my steel types with something to counteract that?

ocean pumice
glacial crag
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maybe I’m just doing something wrong against the fish

ocean pumice
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barra is just very good vs ho generally

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so idk how i would fix that

glacial crag
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yeah, he’s always my biggest threat

ocean pumice
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shouldnt you be able to get a dd up on it and then espeed?

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but it can still flip turn to arch

glacial crag
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yeah

ocean pumice
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who lives an eq and threatens draco or eshot

glacial crag
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exactly my problem

ocean pumice
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Quaq isn't good and dnite bodies rain

glacial crag
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yeah, like every other bottle has them

ocean pumice
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cause of arch

glacial crag
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Battle

brisk cedar
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multiscale and roost

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dnite has eq and wins over time

ocean pumice
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does dnite live eshot spam

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no way right

glacial crag
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I pretty much got screwed over by it

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Plus, if it has Draco meteor, then I’m dead

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should I just put Clod on my team or something?

ocean pumice
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hell no

glacial crag
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yeah, I don’t know what to do about rain teams

ocean pumice
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u can tera norm on arch ig

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then u kill everything else with boosted espeed

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@brisk cedar but dd espeed eq roost just loses vs balloon dengo

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this is so sad...

glacial crag
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what about corvi?

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oh wait, never mind

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for serperior should I replace leach seed/glare with Tera blast?

ocean pumice
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leech seed def

glacial crag
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all right

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it was fun annoying people with that move

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appreciate all the help!

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sorry for the constant question

brisk cedar
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sd superpower pon over quaquaval helps vs rain too

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cold field
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and if so how to make it better

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quick bluff
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definitely don’t run specs lead deo-s, sash is just much better with some damaging move (mainly psycho boost) over trick

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using both deo-s and hamurott is a bit redundant, I’d drop hamurott here if you’re looking for ho, or drop deo-s and make hamurott scarf if you’re leaning toward offense

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meow should never run scarf imo, boots are usually far better, and neither pult nor meow fit on ho (you could keep them if you’re leaning towards offense)

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but yeah these are just first thoughts lmk what direction you want the team to go in

cold field
quick bluff
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i think enam is chill but i’d make hamurott moon instead

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and dragapult something else, maybe gouging fire but that’s more up to you

brisk cedar
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also for the future don't use tera stellar

tranquil niche
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spiral fable
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Quick thing: rillaboom had stomping tantrum so idk why you’re using Tera blast ground

umbral adder
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its rock for volc

spiral fable
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O I’m blind

umbral adder
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u good

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i bet you noticed this already but this is just me noticing my team is just full of boosting mons and i lack immediate power

spiral fable
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Yes

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Make rillaboom banded

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Drop tusk for grassy seed lucha: you need the speed control

umbral adder
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doesnt 3 priority move mons help with that thio?

spiral fable
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Unfortunately this team has a fatal flaw of “rmoon eats you alive”

umbral adder
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i mean

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yeah

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rock tera on acro is funny

spiral fable
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As it can tank all your priority hits, and all it needs is a chipped hatt

spiral fable
umbral adder
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funny idea but what abt bu corv over hatt?

spiral fable
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Hawlucha is just better in general than tusk: far better speed, can offensively threaten mons without relying on priority, can be more immediately threatening, and you can run nasty encore sets to shut down defensive mons/setup sweepers

spiral fable
umbral adder
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i mean its a moon check in some ways

spiral fable
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You can add moon checks in other ways you don’t need corv

umbral adder
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true

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maybe encore lucha?

spiral fable
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Yeah

umbral adder
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do i need twave on glowking?

spiral fable
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Kinda debating switching gking out for heatran

umbral adder
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cuz nuzzle

spiral fable
spiral fable
umbral adder
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bet

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just a thought cuz if i go band rilla i feel like i struggle with volc

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so what if i went specs bolt

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volt switch helps bring in stuff

pulsar geyser
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sd boom is fine but band is better on terrain orientated teams id say

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and specs bolt doesnt seem great here

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if u go band boom u have two pivots which can already bring in stuff like hatt tusk and hawlucha if u use that

umbral adder
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tusk was dropped for lucha but i see what u sayin

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looking at this again dengo a bit of an issue too

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especially np

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maybe dark tera on glowking?

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also thinking of going low kick gambit

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or at least max speed

fallow garden
sly mauve
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Made this webs team months ago, was wondering if anyone knew how to improve it with current meta shifts

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sticky-webs-ho-ft-tera-normal-gliscor-peak-1710-elo-still-climbing.3733405/

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SV OU - Sticky Webs HO ft. Tera Normal Gliscor (peak 1710 elo, stil...

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INTRODUCTION

Come one, come all, to the absolute goofiest, most absurd team to ever grace the OU ladder! I’ve always been a lover of all things sticky webs, and this team has been my closest attempt yet at perfecting the archetype. A lot of this team is...

spiral fable
sly mauve
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I mean it was good a while but right now it’s just not lol

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But I’m open to criticism TotodiLul

spiral fable
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A: Tera Stellar honestly isn't that good on serp: leaf storm is still better unless you're attacking a 4x resist, while tera ground allows you to actually hit steels super effectively and nail those ohkos you need to sweep
B: Idk whats up with the ribombee set but just run the 252 spattack speed set with timid nature
C: Ghold is fine but tera dragon isn't the best(fairy is better since you dont get folded by gambit) while I would recommend psyshock over recover to help with your stall matchup
D: Gambit is fine but just run max speed since you're webs(with adamant, though you can run jolly if you really hate getting outsped)
E: Gliscor isn't that good on webs, and there's much better mons to slot on(like raging bolt, who is insanely strong with booster and can pack fast priority to clutch up even if webs werent kept up)
F: Zamazenta is a good pick, but you want to run the BP ID set with sub, as choice band is easily played around once it clicks a move(choiced mons suck on ho in general) while bp id can legit steal entire games if positioned correctly

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-webs-team-of-all-time-peaked-1-2084-elo.3735844/
Alternatively this team runs roaring moon over gambit, if you would like that instead

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SV OU - THE WEBS TEAM OF ALL TIME (PEAKED #1 2084 ELO)

Imagine this: you're a struggling average ladder player in like the 1600s stuck using mid balance teams and never consistently winning. You search and search for a while, finding nothing that really helps in your struggle. Then, you hear a voice: "Just use me and win idiot". You shriek back...

sly mauve
spiral fable
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o

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huh neat

sly mauve
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But yeah I was thinking about he other changes

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What would be a good ground type instead of Gliscor?

spiral fable
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(also run tera steel over tera ghost on ribombee since you ohko tusk with moonblast anyways and glimmora is a common lead that doesn't care for tera ghost)

spiral fable
spiral fable
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Which is a problem

sly mauve
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I mean most people don’t switch in tusk on Ribombee

spiral fable
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You might get by with the mere threat of the set allowing you to get away with it but i wouldnt risk it

sly mauve
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And if they do they Tera

spiral fable
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up to you

sly mauve
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I’ve never had problems with tusk so imma keep the spread

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But I like the other suggestions a lot

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Especially Bp Zama

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Now I just need a Gliscor replacement lol

spiral fable
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what do you need a ground type for

sly mauve
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Electric switch in

spiral fable
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raging bolt is a 4x resist

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also you don't really need "switch ins"

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you're ho

sly mauve
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It’s still nice to have them sometimes but I see your point

spiral fable
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the only offensive electric type is, well, opposing raging bolt lol

sly mauve
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I could test with raging bolt

spiral fable
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and it has dpulse to hit gliscor or any ground type anyways

sly mauve
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Honorary electric type

spiral fable
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bridge is gone, celebrate

sly mauve
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Rather have gambit and Ghold gone but hey we got the bridge

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CC bolt is the play right?

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With booster?

spiral fable
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Raging Bolt @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

  • Calm Mind
  • Thunderclap
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Thunderbolt
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this set

sly mauve
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Cool thanks man

spiral fable
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np

sly mauve
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Time to terrorize the ladder

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buoyant prawn
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i suppose so

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but if i want to get to high ladder

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would a ho team really work?

spiral fable
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Yeah

buoyant prawn
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oki

spiral fable
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Any style can peak on ladder

buoyant prawn
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is ho easiest to ladder with

spiral fable
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yes

buoyant prawn
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nice

spiral fable
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you win fast and you lose fast

buoyant prawn
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high risk high reward lol

spiral fable
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ngl this team doesn't really work tho

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Just a few things off the bat: HO needs to be basically all set up sweepers besides the suicide lead, but you have pecharunt, scarf enamorus, and 4 attack tusk

buoyant prawn
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enamorus is a sweeper

spiral fable
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Scarf limits you heavily

buoyant prawn
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right but the tera blast really helps even against deoxys

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ive been doing well with scarf]

spiral fable
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If a mon comes in that resists your clicked move you kinda get screwed(and tera blast doesnt have enough power unless you can snowball heavy with it, which most teams wont give you the chance to)

buoyant prawn
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regardless

spiral fable
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If you want to stick with it that's your choice but i would say there's better mons out there

buoyant prawn
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whats ur ideas

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let's do enam last tho

spiral fable
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Alright ill tackle the rest of the team first then

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I don't really like Hamurott as a suicide lead: Deo S is a far better spiker that can still threaten tusk(and beats other leads as well), while Glimmora can set rocks and spin away opposing hazards like webs

buoyant prawn
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i could try glimmora ive been seeing it a lot

spiral fable
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With these leads, you don't really need hazard control in a spinner, and without that 4 attack tusk kinda sucks

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If you want a powerful physical sweeper roaring moon is the best in the tier

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If you want a bulky fighting type to handle gambit Body Press Iron Defense Zamazenta is pretty good as well

buoyant prawn
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yea since archaludon is gone lol

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so go with glimmora or?

spiral fable
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Glimmora and Deo S both work its up to you, i like glimmora tho

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if you find yourself struggling into tusk leads or webs though, you can try deo s

buoyant prawn
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i do struggle with hat tho which is why i liked samurott

spiral fable
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Fair, but I found that the other leads still offer more overall though

buoyant prawn
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yea it does look like glimm might deal with hat

spiral fable
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Hamurott unfortunately straight up loses to all other ho leads

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which really is not good

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Anyways, Iron Boulder is alright but if you haven't slotted on Roaring Moon yet I would recommend him instead

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With 1 ddance you outspeed everything in the tier anyways, and rmoon offers better immediate pressure

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If you want to try and patch your matchup with stall(though honestly you'll still struggle) you can run a taunt set, while if you want to have a better matchup into more offensive teams eq is standard

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Taunt also allows you to 1v1 mons like gliscor and skarm

buoyant prawn
spiral fable
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Pecharunt isn't good, it does nothing but slow you down and offers little in return. If you want a standard special attacker, volcarona is your best bet, though if you want to have a bulkier mon, calm mind hatterene can be nice and potentially threaten stall teams

buoyant prawn
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ooh volc

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i forgot about volc

spiral fable
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drop spikes for rocks on glimmora, tera ghost, and i find power gem to be better than sludge wave as stab so you can hit balloon ghold(though ig if you really hate hatt sludge is fine)

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Once again I really don't like enamorus on this team: you have speed control in boulder and there's a better fairy type(hatterene) if you want, that can also give you a far better matchup into stall

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I would recommend dropping tusk for gambit and enamorus for hatterene/volc

buoyant prawn
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i think i got an idea with glim, if i use power gem i can still mortal spin hat

spiral fable
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yeah thats what i usually do

buoyant prawn
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@spiral fable

spiral fable
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tera ghost glimm

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other than that, its your standard ho(though you could mess around with dropping boulder for cm val if you want)

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Stall will be a tough matchup, but this should do fairly well into most other teamstyles

buoyant prawn
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i am no longer confident in val

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but yea

silk hamlet
tranquil niche
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https://pokepast.es/fb95d7d5cc7b96d2
Extremely bulky balance hazard stack team. Might just be considered semi stall idk I was just tryna cook bulky balance and ended up with this generic team.
Tera grass on clef for wellspring

marsh falcon
fallow garden
fierce basin
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Some days ago

fallow garden
fallow garden
fierce basin
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Seems y deleted the original msg

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Looks like the same team though

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Or if you have a specific matchup you want to improve I can try giving different advice

fierce basin
# tranquil niche https://pokepast.es/ca7d7bf3cdfb01a2 Glimmora HO with blaziken. Does pretty well...

Hey,
If your main issues are tera clod and dozo, the easiest solution to those matchups is probably making valiant mixed w cc/psyshock or cc/moonblast so they have no clean switchin to it. I also think weavile isn't a good pick here, something like kingambit on a balloon is probably better to patch up your no ground immunity/roaring moon matchup without needing to tera. I also like terablast dragon more than ground on volc cause it's a better defensive tera and helps you beat additional stuff compared to just heatran. I'm on mobile so I can't give you an updated paste but hopefully those r simple enough changes. Good luck n have fun

tranquil niche
# fierce basin Hey, If your main issues are tera clod and dozo, the easiest solution to those m...

Well I really liked weavile here just for a generally fast mon and gambit sacrifices that speed. It also helped against common mons like roaring moon dragapult and pressured great tusk better than kingambit so that it can't spin that easily. And Tera dragon volc just makes me die to clod even more so I'd like to keep ground. Anyways I'll try out mixed valiant to deal with clod + dozo although it doesn't really help against something like Tera flying or ghost clod which is what id like to hit

fierce basin
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Can't say I've encountered those teras on clod but val can be customized however you want for w.e types. If you want to blank clod and block spin replace Blaziken w balloon ghold but I didn't think you'd want to do that. volc doesn't beat clod even w tera ground

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You'd have to be modest

fierce basin
# silk hamlet https://pokepast.es/585cdaf1ba579e48 is there smth i could use here to help agai...

Now that wellspring runs play rough due to the influx of dragons there's really no stopping it. The easiest way with these 6 is either making the prim tera steel in hopes of catching it when it comes in to revenge you, or replacing something w zazazenta. From your paste I'd say it has the most overlap w tusk, but personally I think you should drop one of your 2 fairies and also replace tusk's cc w spin so you don't auto lose to webs
A final copium option is swapping your enam set for scarf stellarblast since there's no tera hog on this team and it'd give you a bit more speed control but really you're just trading matchups for matchups
Can't give you an updated paste cause I'm on mobile but I hope this helps gl hf

silk hamlet
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but i got owned by

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trailblaze wellspring

fierce basin
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I was thinking about your matchup into that since this meowscarada is begging to get sded on into trailblazed if it took down an opposing glimm lead but was like hmm surely that isn't real clueless
You could opt for a bulky tera dragon volc over prim but they'll just tera back, not the best solution obviously but it still fits your general structure.
You could swap to glimmora so a waterpon can't get free turns vs a stat dropped meow but otherwise the counterplay to trailblaze pon is don't let it
It's hard to find solutions that keep your team structure. Swapping dnite for roaring moon solves solely the waterpon problem but then you don't have the synergy of moon taunting to take down checks for tusk/zama

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I think zama is the best you're getting maybe try lefties ID over life orb

silk hamlet
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that was the idea with meows

fierce basin
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then ignore the trailblaze matchup it's surely fake

silk hamlet
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to stop the future chilly blizzard combo that pmuch always takes a kill against ho without kingambit

silk hamlet
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i mean its been kay tbh i just really need to keep my custap prim and speed tusk in the back

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harsh bison
glacial crag
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how does this team seem?

glacial crag
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maybe I should replace slow king or great tusk?

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maybe iron boulder instead of tusk

spiral fable
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so there's a few issues with this team

spiral fable
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Which is a really weird team structure and you should just dedicate fully to the HO playstyle at that point

glacial crag
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OK maybe it wasn’t a good idea

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appreciate it

spiral fable
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Yeah just go back to HO at that point

glacial crag
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I was just making back up teams just in case

gleaming edge
spiral fable
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building a balance team around 3 uu mons is certainly a choice ig

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frankly, this team doesn't work. You have no breakers, your speed control isn't good as you get beat by all the boosted speed mons, and you're running 3 UU mons which really have little to no niche in OU.

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You struggle hard into RMoon, which needs just the smallest bit of chip on clef to break the whole team.

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ting lu has no recovery, and nor does heatran, while you have no pivots besides hydreigon, meaning they will get easily chipped down over the course of a game and not be able to deal with threats like volc over the course of the game. Volc is also another big threat for this team, as all it needs to do it tera and Ting Lu cant do much to it, and you have to save your tera for heatran or pray that it isnt tera blast set.

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You also cannot handle specs kyurem, which can easily come in, click ice beam, then pivot out to gking or another bulky mon to come back in later. It can easily tera to avoid Draco from hydreigon, and from there you don't have a lot of options to handle it

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Your setup sweeper is very slow, meaning it will struggle to sweep teams, and loses to gambit which you really dont want from a cleaner

gleaming edge
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aight thanks! 😅

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would it be possible to keep any of the 3 uu mons to build around, or are their niches wholly nonexistant in ou?

harsh bison
spiral fable
spiral fable
fallow garden
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thanks for the feedback thou

dense gull
glacial crag
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hey, I adjusted a team I tried to make earlier into this

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Whoops

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sly mauve
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Concept for Aurora veil team, gonna do some testing but any feedback is appreciated

fierce basin
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/3d7d6bf9103bd03e

Alright,
I'd replace ghold here with a speed booster bulk up tusk so you have some removal and don't insta lose to webs
Your team is pretty susceptible to getting gouged by the gouger so I'd make your volc tera dragon if you're gonna run terablast as that helps w more matchups than water (dnite, pult, etc)
I'd replace earthquake on roaring moon with taunt so it can break past stuff like dozo/Skarm other phys walls for the rest of your team
Make kyurem fire not ground
Not at my computer so I can't give an updated paste sorry but hope this helps good luck n have fun
Other options:
Balloon gambit if you don't like having no ground immunity
Bulkier volc w morning sun along w terablast fiery dance n qd

sly mauve
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fire Kyurem sounds fire

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Thanks for the help man

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What’d be a good set for the tusk

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Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Bulk Up
  • Headlong Rush
  • Ice Spinner
  • Rapid Spin
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Thinkin something like this

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Tera ice for a clutch defense boost

fierce basin
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LOL you know personally I've never been able to justify tera ice I always run poison but snow may be the one usecase. I'd probably still go poison but ice could be worth a try

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But yeah that set

sly mauve
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👍

rugged seal
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https://pokepast.es/cf5644c1a1d54e33 i threw this team together last night and got a pretty decent win rate with it on an alt, but i've been having lots of trouble against lead meowscarada... any help/feedback?

spiral fable
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you have gterrain but two eq users?

rugged seal
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not sure what else to put on garg, but i'm thinking about switching glis for lando-t

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maybe press over EQ?

spiral fable
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thats alright but your team has a bigger problem of no speed control except priority and your matchup into serperior is really bad

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your set up mon is alright but in teams like these it would be better to have a sweeper that can boosts it speed so it doesn't have to rely on priority that can be played around

rugged seal
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would something like defensive tera poison gouging fire work? or should i have a booster speed/scarf mon somewhere

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i'm also thinking about switching band rilla for scarf, but i'm not sure if that'll fix much of anything :/

spiral fable
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yeah that really doesnt fix anything

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try dropping gliscor for hawlucha, and switching tusk to a rocks set

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and make garg a tera that isn't electric electric really doesnt help it much

rugged seal
spiral fable
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i dont like the double choiced mons

rugged seal
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should i run boots over specs on pult?

spiral fable
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yeah double status pult is a nasty bastard to deal with

rugged seal
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is there a spread somewhere for that?

spiral fable
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Dragapult @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 76 Atk / 180 SpA / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Hasty Nature

  • Dragon Darts
  • Hex
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • U-turn
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You can try twave over uturn if you really want

rugged seal
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sounds good, thank you so much blobpray

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glacial crag
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how does this team seem?

spiral fable
glacial crag
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I tried to make a decent pivot team

spiral fable
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Ill get to you later danger

glacial crag
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All right, no problem

spiral fable
# stone onyx https://pokepast.es/0ad5ca1a60c32386 eiscue stall, thinking about dondozo > dit...

So the issue is stall in general needs somehow cover all its threats with very limited mons
You always need Dozo Blissey as your anchors
Gking doesn't fit on stall: you have a better special wall in clodsire and tspikes isnt worth the moveslot especially since its really easy to remove
Ditto isn't very good either: you sacrifice a valuable slot for what? you can wall most setup sweepers already, heatran isnt that much of a problem with gliscor and mola around, and it doesn't really hae any other niche
And eiscue really has no use on stall: you cannot effectively stop setup sweepers, as eiscue cannot set both hail and snow in sv, unlike in natdex. This means setup sweepers just need to wait till the last turn of hail, and hit you twice. Whirlpool is annoying chip, sure, but not unbearable, especially during the 5 turns you have. Aurora veil will not save you from a boosted physical threat, and the lack of boots(which you cannot run) means that you cannot switch in repeatdly to handle the physical threats eiscue thereotically should

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Stall in general is very hard to build, and I would not recommend trying it unless you are highly experienced in SV OU, and stall. For now, the Hydrapple Stall is pretty reliable, and I would recommend running that

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O yeah your team also has no knock absorber

spiral fable
# glacial crag https://pokepast.es/20aa56ef42051199

This team has no synergy ngl
You have a suicide lead but the rest of the team isn't ho, you have a phys def pivot but no spdef pivot(especally weird since you're running kyurem, which would pair nicely with gking), this team really lacks synergy and can't stand up to HO(you dont have a good enough defensive backbone nor a strong enough offensive prescence), nor can it break through fatter balance teams who can knock your boots and force chip through hazards as you have no removal, and stall can sit on you

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You just don't have a team structure in mind and it shows

glacial crag
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appreciate the help

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I should take a break from trying to create teams

stone onyx
spiral fable
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yeah ik ive seen the gimmick used in natdex

paper crater
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made an ogerpon teal boots spam team but idk if i should switch out mola or sumn cuz im kinda struggling vs stuff like kyurem and dragonite (if im unlucky with scald) https://pokepast.es/29486a4a5e36964a don't air pleaseeee

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i like ogerpon as a fast spiker knock off and uturn mon idk if i should use someone else for it but this guy is also pretty strong and can hold boots unlike the other ogerpons and the tera is cool as surprise speed control to beat dragapult

calm python
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idk if this is a basic team but as a perpetual low ladderer this is the first team i made that im actually gaining ELO with, so i just wanted to know where i can improve upon, thank you for the critiques in advance https://pokepast.es/d220ea2b3dbd3932

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shy lion
runic prism
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Also maybe sacred sword or swords dance over knock off on hsam

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Sacred sword for coverage and sharpness boost

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And swords dance to see if I can get any cheap SD + sucker punch shenanigans off to cripple/kill some things

ocean pumice
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tera rock/fire/ground on serp (rock is good general coverage that hits corv and tran neutrally, fire nukes corv, ground nukes tran)

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maybe try to fit ghold somewhere

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and replace bolt with gambit

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then you'd need to use hamu as a suicide lead, in that case try surf > aqua cutter with 4 spa to hit tusk

modest cargo
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Ig lando is maybe better than treads since it can also offer ground coverage and pivot

runic prism
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Custap seems kinda hard to use and I'm newish to ou

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I guess gholdengo can replace that?

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And then kg as a replacement for bolt

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But then I don't think I have anything to hit mandibuzz corviknight zapdos and the like

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Do you think the electric coverage is that big of a deal?

fierce basin
# paper crater i like ogerpon as a fast spiker knock off and uturn mon idk if i should use some...

if you want a fast spike knock off and uturn guy who can wear boots you can just use meowscarada, although with a team like this with so many switchins I don't really think you need fast u-turn. You would just hard switch into one of your many defensive answers
this team doesn't really have any sort of offensive presence, skarm should be +def nature and not timid, even if you want to creep jolly gambit you should still be +defense nature due to skarmory having a higher base defense. You end up with more overall stat points since 10% of the def is higher than 10% of the speed. Also for a pretty defensively oriented team, you have no shadow ball switchin
I would recommend trying this sample team that has 4 of the same mons as your team here https://pokepast.es/e0a24df11f21190e
hope this helps good luck have fun

fierce basin
# harsh bison https://pokepast.es/4db19945e99d4b3f what yall think abt this team?

both your gliscor and skarmory have spikes, one should have rocks so you have both hazards on your team
cinderace doesn't really fit on a hazard stacking team like this, making it a weavile so you have hazard removal. It would be a shame for all those hazards to go to waste because you have no way to remove boots
gholdengo doesn't make a lot of sense on a team like this, you have so many longevity that you should just plan to beat down hazard removal over time and then get the hazards up again. replacing it with a boots pult so it has the same longevity as the rest of your team, and hex goes well with your gliscor/slowking
replacing ogerpon u-turn with sd, kind of overlaps with weavile but tbh this set is broken rn and no balance can prep for it. u-turn just doesn't make much sense since it can't keep pivoting in on hazards, and you have so many bulky pivots that you can just hard switch. Better to have swords dance so it can come in one time and clean up at the end
here's an updated paste https://pokepast.es/5559cb1edb9a8aa0 good luck and have fun hope this helps

fierce basin
# runic prism Also maybe sacred sword or swords dance over knock off on hsam

hi,
stellar serp is a noob trap imo you should just pick your additional coverage like fire/ground/roick. serp doesn't benefit as highly from the contrary terablast as something like enamorus since you have leaf storm. opting for rock here to revenge volc cause your matchup into it is sus
if you're gonna ruin suicide lead samurott, you should run aqua jet over knock off so you can kill glimmora before it gets to use 2 moves. can also run surf as previously stated for tusk
primarina doesn't really fit here imo, making it a balloon ghold so you have smth that doesn't touch the ground
The only justification I can imagine for sub volc is because you realized how weak you were to slowking-galar, im taking it off now that you have ghold and making it psychic to help potentially break clodsire for bolt
zamazenta should be crunch over play rough so you can actually hit ghold
updated paste https://pokepast.es/09a7b6292651d043
other options:
dropping terablast on serp and just running cringe subseed, this allows you to run a terablast set on volc like
Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 136 HP / 4 Def / 152 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Quiver Dance
  • Fiery Dance
  • Tera Blast
  • Morning Sun
    can also slot speed booster bulk up tusk over zamazenta so you don't auto lose to webs. switching your suicide lead to glimmora at least forces ribombees to tera to keep webs up on you. rn it's kinda dire aside from serp
    Sub zama over heavy slam
    hope this helps, good luck have fun
ocean pumice
runic prism
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I have most of the things here but thanks

fierce basin
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My efforts wahwah

ocean pumice
fierce basin
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Ur welcome

runic prism
fierce basin
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Yeah if you add surf just surf 2x

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But that current set was full contact w no jet so I was just letting you know if you were to run a set like that it needs jet

runic prism
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Oh also

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Can I use bold nature?

fierce basin
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On samurott? No

ocean pumice
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  • spe - spd
runic prism
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Naughty

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Or any other attack boosting nature

ocean pumice
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No

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  • spe always
runic prism
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Because 295 gets outsped by glimmora and dingo anyways

runic prism
fierce basin
# runic prism K thanks

Hey sorry I forgot to do it when I was at my PC but replace the zamazenta spread
Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Jolly Nature

  • Iron Defense
  • Body Press
  • Crunch
  • Heavy Slam
runic prism
fierce basin
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Higher Hp is generally always better

runic prism
fierce basin
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Because you're boosting your def already but the HP helps w special attacks. Also for lefties recovery

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modest cargo
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And i don't see a lot of toxapex awnsers so be aware of that boi

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(so preserve primarina)

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Also is there a reason for the 16 def primarina? Or is it on the AV spread by default?

marsh falcon
modest cargo
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Ok

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Im wondering what that's for

modest cargo
fierce basin
# modest cargo https://pokepast.es/b4fc7c22a5e8ee57 Whatever that is

this team doesn't really make any sense. 5 members of your team look like they want to get up hazards and aren't susceptible to them due to boots spam, then you have a maushold that can only set up and make itself useful by removing hazards. You have an alomomola even though the vast majority of your team has recovery of its own and nothing should really be taking chip or need to be restored via wish. There's no synergy here it appears pretty random.
some sets are also weird, I'd definitely choose encore on maushold over taunt so it doesn't get revenged by sucker punch as easily, also forces out stuff that clicks a move that you would be taunting when you encore it. I also don't know why taunt is on mandibuzz, or why mandibuzz is here at all
meowscarada doesn't need uturn on a team like this imo since the entire team is basically switchins. Better off maximizing coverage by running something like axelI would scrap and pick up a sample team to take to the ladder and figure out why certain mons are on certain structures.
Ghold is far too slow, even if you're gonna run bulky please at least outpace jolly kingambit if you're running focus blast. Imagine clicking focus blast on a gambit and it just outpaces you YeePensive
For your next attempt, if you go for a hazard stack structure again you kind of need skarmory as your steel and spiker. ghold isn't really necessary on these structures, as your team can outlast the opposing hazard remover and then just get hazards up again.
hope this helps good luck have fun
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modest cargo
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But as for mola, ig it's really to help maushold or meowscarada to go in more freely, and i couldn't run any calcs since i'm on mobile so the spreads are basically smogon requested

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And as of the ghold speed i totally forgot to outspeed gambit that's my bad

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Idk if maushold can OHKO pult without tera dark tho

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Also taunt is to help more against toxic such as gyara in gen 7

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But idk if running it on both maus and mandibuzz is actually good

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Might get defog over taunt for better measure, could help me get leftos on mola for passive healing

fierce basin
# modest cargo Also taunt is to help more against toxic such as gyara in gen 7

this isn't really a good comparison for a couple reasons. First of all toxic distribution is incredibly gutted in gen 9, the only pokemon that can even learn toxic in ou are gliscor, glimmora and clodsire. glimmora is just a suicide lead and the other 2 die to +1 pop bomb. second, maushold has much less bulk than gyarados or gyarados-mega so getting the taunt turn wrong is a lot worse for you. Gyarados would blank mons like gliscor/toxapex (barring scald) with taunt, maushold doesn't really have a usecase like that

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ic

fierce basin
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encore is still broken and punishes stuff for clicking a healing or boosting move

stone dagger
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ocean pumice
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this is pretty unviable maybe you should just check out the ou samples

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which are pre made teams that beginners can use to learn about the game

ocean pumice
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just saying the team does not work at all

spiral fable
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What is the goal of this team?
Pecharunt, regirock, and gengar are all not OU(and regirock is especially unviable). Furthermore, Torkoal is only good as a sun setter, which this team does not synergize with at all. None of these sets are viable, as you have two ghost mons running curse, offensive gliscor without a way to boost up and without the bulk investment necessary, excadrill with a weird stat spread, no spin, giga impact, and no iron head.

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I would recommend you run a sample team for now, to learn the meta game, viable mons, and the common sets they run

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i cooked up 2 teams

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a better one and a worse

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bleak burrow
fierce basin
# bleak burrow https://pokepast.es/9f7f9d5bbeb0fbca

For a team comprised primarily of defensive guys you somehow managed to have no shadow ball switchins except clef who drops to make it rain so opposing pult/ghold go crazy, and when you don't run iron defense on your metal bird on a balance team like this you get smashed by gambit teraing. you shouldn't run adamant pult and imo terablast ghost is only viable on banded, idk why you wouldn't run hex here considering the moves on the rest of your team, and I don't think you need uturn either since this team doesn't do much with momentum. Idk what the EV spreads on clef/dirge are doing, unless you actually opened the calc and figured out benchmarks you want to meet Generally When you try to go mixed defenses here and compromise you just make it so you don't check the things you actually need to check well, unless you're a mon where investing HP isn't as useful due to having huge base HP like alomomola or blissey. For these reasons I would scrap but I hope this input helps for your next attempt. Next time look at the top used mons into your team, or just take it on the ladder and you'll find out quickly. Good luck have fun

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why the ceru so srs

fierce basin
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https://pokepast.es/0e3f6ce7a86144bd this is a sample team that has a lot of the same mons as your team but without a lot of the same issues I mentioned (dozo checks gambit, defensive volc checks ghold as well as kyurem)
Kind of have a feeling you took the sample team and swapped off 3 mons since the EV spreads match but you just made it lose to more
Also don't post more than one team at a time please

stone dagger
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velvet path
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made a toxic/hazard team

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is it viable?

spiral fable
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Toxic is very easy to block this gen with a bunch of steel types running around, gliscor existing, and gking being pretty prevelant as well

glacial crag
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that is true

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should I replace toxic with façade maybe?

spiral fable
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no

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Keep toxic on gliscor that's still a good move but dont base your entire team around it

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Drop pecharunt its shit

glacial crag
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OK

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someone suggested replacing it with kyurem

spiral fable
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Frankly this team feels like you just took the Hex Pult + Kyurem BO sample and swapped out kyurem and gambit

glacial crag
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with HDB

spiral fable
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which means you lost a powerful breaker and useful lategame cleaner

glacial crag
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oh, I actually tried making the team from scratch

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I probably should’ve seen if there were any sample teams about it

spiral fable
glacial crag
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yeah, I guess so that point

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I didn’t realize my team was really similar to a sample team honestly

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that sucks

spiral fable
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Yeah teambuilding kinda sucks in general rn

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yeah

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it’s hard to build a team that’s even remotely on par with the samples

spiral fable
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In general though your team was missing a setup sweeper/cleaner for the lategame, and a breaker that can use the hazards to force progress

glacial crag
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yeah, that’s true

ocean pumice
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ocean pumice
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flying stab 🤑

spiral fable
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If you really want to run lando t you can ig but now you have two mons that need to Tera, i would recommend dropping it for gambit @ocean pumice

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Also no skill swap on ribombee means you get farmed by hatterene
Focus blast on ghold is shit just run psyshock
Adamant moon is better for webs
Tera Ground is better than tera fire on serp

bleak burrow
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All you did was tweak the evs and drop weavile for hamurott which makes the team worse, Spidget already gave you a rate and you should follow his advice

ocean pumice
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landot kinda goated

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nuke tera blasts

fallow olive
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https://pokepast.es/09c102e06c6ff9dd tried to make a psychic/fighting/dark core offensive team with latias, zamazenta, & kingambit. mostly cobbled together, probably bad, looking for suggestions and stuff please :3

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like stuff i should add, changes i should make, etc. im also pretty bad at teambuilding lol

surreal bloom
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idt you want eject hatt here

fallow olive
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prob

fierce basin
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You don't, you maintain momentum by sacking your suicide lead. Eject hatt is more for when you want to keep your lead mon like a sun team

fallow olive
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makes sense!!

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yea i have been thinking that