#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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west harbor
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!gen9ousamples

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jolly phoenix
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fair enough..! i have had a pretty good time setting up agilty with porygon-z on choice locked ghost/electric moves or status but i assume that would not fly higher up on the ladder

west harbor
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the main one is specs kyurem which just kills you

jolly phoenix
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fair!

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my main plan against kyruems has been manuevering in gholdengo or scizor and trying to kill with steel stab but again i can see that being less effective against more optimized teams and better players :P

west harbor
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yeah, i think your team is working for you lower ladder because there’s a lot more you can get away with, but if you wanna climb higher and keep improving then you’d need to use more viable stuff

jolly phoenix
west harbor
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with the kyurem example i was more saying that it’s the only real choiced mon

jolly phoenix
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ah i get you

west harbor
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most things run boots or similar stuff bc choice locks are super exploitable and spikes are really good

jolly phoenix
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yeah there's no switching into that lol

west harbor
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yeah

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there’s a lot less common choice users than in previous gens so the exploiting a lock strategy isn’t as reliable for setup

jolly phoenix
west harbor
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yea none of those 3 are ou viable either so it’s not super representative of what you’d face higher up

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generally the best way to improve is by using samples for a while to learn playing skills + the meta and once you have an idea of what threats you need to check it’s a lot easier to build

jolly phoenix
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mhm mhm!

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thank you very much coolranch

west harbor
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np!

urban cloud
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spiral fable
# urban cloud https://pokepast.es/98689ac152ea4fe6 I want someone to tell me a good pokemon f...

What is the goal of this team? You have lead darkrai which is entirely outdated, but also ting Lu, but no defensive pivots or walls besides that. I would’ve guessed a strange grassy terrain team, but you only have one abuser(Iron Crown), lack Hawlucha which is a near must for any gterrain team, and in fact gterrain directly hurts Ting Lu. You have no speed control, no way to remove hazards despite all your mons being affected by them. It can’t exert a lot of offensive pressure fast enough and doesn’t have enough defensive mons to fall back on, nor a healthy mix of both, and your hazards are easily removed.
This team doesn’t really have a lot of synergy, and I’d recommend scrapping it for now, and running a sample team.

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fierce basin
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hi,
personally I think if you're gonna use swagger mirror herb acrobatics you're better off using something like unburden grafaiai, I feel like torn is too easily revenge killed for a strategy like this
your skarmory can't slot whirlwind, it needs iron defense and body press otherwise you're just setup fodder for every physical setup mon, you let gambit in for free to swords dance and it beats like your whole team. With this in mind, I would give your skarm enough speed to outpace adamant kingambit (put it to 200 speed)
I wouldn't run specs kyurem and specs pult, I'd make one an ogerpon so you have immediate physical breaking power, and it stops you from autolosing to rain
even with these changes, you're too easily farmed by meta threats, heatran isn't a real check to volc it may just click bug buzz as you tera grass on its tera ground and sweep your entire team anyway.
Sorry I wasn't able to give an updated paste but I don't know how to fix the issues without changing more than 3 mons, but I hope this info helps for your next attempt. good luck and have fun

velvet path
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reef token
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Are you going for HO or balance?

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surreal bloom
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Looks ho orientated

spiral fable
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Looks more bulky offense, he’s got two defensive pivots and a specs mon

ruby crest
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it looks bulky offense but also heavily offensive would say it’s better to commit to one playstyle and not both tbh

fickle laurel
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tried to make a bulky offense team but i have no idea what im doing, help

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(i only play stall)

west harbor
# fickle laurel https://pokepast.es/987d7ca78cb2af4c

if you’re looking to try bulky offense, id say this team is still too passive. dozo isn’t really the best fit on BO because its completely passive + exploitable when asleep without the defensive backbone to support it, and you also don’t really have any immediate power

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a breaker like specs kyurem goes a long way on these type of teams because with more offensive styles you want to be able to immediately threaten things even without setup, which your offensive mons ghold and dnite require

reef token
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First time building for gen 9

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Wanted to try out deoxys speed as an offensive Mon

west harbor
# reef token What do you guys think of this? https://pokepast.es/75d26ddd47a723c3

offensive deo-s is honestly better as an np set because specs is pretty exploitable and you’re forced out a lot with it bc of immunities + special attack drops. the team is also a bit all over the place - it seems like an offensive build but you have corv, which is a huge momentum sink for those teams because of its passivity

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mamo + quaq also aren’t really ou viable and band mamo is also pretty exploitable - mamo works best when it can use both ice and ground moves without being forced out because that coverage is unresisted, but ice on its own and ground on its own can be switched into

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id recommend trying out a sample team here

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!gen9ousamples

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tranquil bobcat
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This is kind of a weird request but what are some options for the 120% Potential team to make it a bit less predictable? I think I put Gunk Shot on Glimmers but people kinda seem to know it exactly

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(not sure if team feedback like this goes here, so sorry if it goes somewhere else)

west harbor
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being predictable isn’t really a huge problem for that kind of team honestly, everyone knows how hyper offense works and plays but it’s still effective because you just overwhelm your opponent

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glimmora has 55 attack so gunk shot would be a waste

spiral fable
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If someone sees glimm + 5 sweepers everyone knows it ho and most people will know the sets it doesn’t matter if it’s a sample or not

tranquil bobcat
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I just keep stumbling on semi stallish teams and thye die

spiral fable
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Stall in general is ho’s hardest matchup

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You need to keep up hazards in some way and chip them down while knocking their boots

tranquil bobcat
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it just feels bad in this meta when i play but then people go 50-2

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it's seriously demoralizing

west harbor
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maybe try some different team styles

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they might work better for your particular style and be easier to win with

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HO can be pretty punishing because its faster paced and you need to get a lot of things right especially in bad mus

tranquil bobcat
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what would be the easier type of team to play?

west harbor
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it depends on the person really

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which is why experimenting with different types of samples helps

west harbor
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it has offensive power with kyurem but you can fall back on glisc + skarm + gking defensively

tranquil bobcat
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Ill try it out, thanks, getting stuck on 1200 is making me feel awful

west harbor
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np

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i’d also keep in mind that there’s a suspect going on right now

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at 1200 you’re going to be playing people who are much better than that on new alts trying to get reqs

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losing to people with more experience isn’t a bad thing + it’s good for learning

fickle laurel
fiery sapphire
# tranquil bobcat what would be the easier type of team to play?

Personally I always found bulky offense/balance to be the best to start off with. You typically have a fair amount of bulk and pivoting with these teams allowing you to make more mistakes than stall or HO both styles which punish the player pretty heavily for messing up.

spiral fable
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Besides that, it’s really just other weather, gking chilly reception, and fat teams

fiery sapphire
fickle laurel
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time to play stall to 6-0 rain

spiral fable
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Clodsire on stall is usually unaware

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Autumn you wanna take hat?

west harbor
west harbor
spiral fable
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Aight

west harbor
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was just replying to what i was tagged in

spiral fable
fiery sapphire
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So av flip turn prim would probably be better than cm here

spiral fable
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Probably but at that point I’d just use gking

fickle laurel
spiral fable
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O yeah this team also gets 6-0ed by rain

spiral fable
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Unless the fish clicks cc

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But you can play around it

fiery sapphire
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I forgot gking was in the game, also vested or chilly recep king

spiral fable
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Chilly

west harbor
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pivoting is what makes it good

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and twave

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av loses both of those

west harbor
fiery sapphire
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Also should I replace skarm with something like dozo or keep tusk, skarm, glow

dense gull
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fickle laurel
spiral fable
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?

fickle laurel
spiral fable
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Or sac a weakened mon

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Alternatively don’t let it in the first place

fickle laurel
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oh

void briar
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https://pokepast.es/d52ca4d1a3ad4bf4 So this is my current team I just got a 3-0 winning streak 6-0 every time, and I know I'm low ladder, but I wanted to see what smogon has to say bout my team. I haven't faced a kingambit yet, so I'm not sure but I think corv and valiant, and ena are enough? Just give me your thoughts please.

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Also, I'm paranoid for the dozo, so I thought electro shot was nice for arachuladon

rocky pike
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imo this team is awesome

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made with help from a friend

fierce basin
# void briar https://pokepast.es/d52ca4d1a3ad4bf4 So this is my current team I just got a 3-0...

honestly rain has so many strong mons rn that it's hard to stray from the norm. Additionally, if you're going to run a mon like pelipper that's classically bad in OU you generally want to dedicate your whole team to it if you aren't running smth like specs
I would go damp rock on pelipper to extend rain turns, if you wanted to play semi rain something like specs is better IMO. Don't ever run protect it's just a waste of your turns, you can slot hurricane over it
corv is a waste of momentum, most teams run something like eject button treads or eject pack arch (which I think is worse but they used to use it for ting lu I think). Treads also lets you check raging bolt who is generally a bad matchup for rain
archaludon is such a broken mon especially under rain, it's so overtuned with its only weakness being the lacking spdef so personally I like to run AV, I'd run draco over dragon tail and flash cannon over iron defense. You're so strong it's a waste to not attack
something like scarf stellar tera enam doesn't really fit on this team, you have an endgame click 1 button mon and his name is barraskewda. I'd replace it with rain's 2nd new broken mon raging bolt, with weather ball he's not walled by anything and has obscene stats, 100% accurate thunder under rain etc
once this many mons are slotted we're basically just at the rain sample team https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b but I wanted to explain why things were the way they were. Hope this helps, good luck have fun

rocky pike
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okay so I actually think this team is super fun and sick

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I wanted to build around tinkaton with some strong support that would allow her to get the jump on set up sweepers and land big gigaton hammers. gambit super holds this team together

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however I ran into some issues like a tera flying heatran wiping my whole team

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without removing tinkaton, id love to hear some alternatives!

reef token
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I feel the biggest problem is the lack of a fire resist

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Gambit looks the most redundant defensively and you are missing some immediate power

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Don’t know what that would look like cause I rarely play gen 9 ou but surely there is a good fire type that can run band or something

spiral fable
# rocky pike https://pokepast.es/4077e58106400c82

What is the point of this team? You have 3 offensive sweepers, offensive utility tusk, tinkaton, and then a defensive physdef pivot in corv. They don’t synergize well together, you have no team structure in mind, you don’t have a hazard setter, tinkaton is frankly dead weight, this team gets bowled over by ho and rain while not having enough pressure or chip to break balance/semi stall.

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It just doesn’t work

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Tinkaton will not work as an offensive mon, and it’s too fragile to really stop any setup sweeper unless your opponent gets greedy. You have very poor speed control(gambit can’t do it by itself and deo s gets outsped by most speed boosted threats), but also don’t have the hazards to threaten bulkier teams with repeated chip to wear them down

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I would recommend you stick to a sample team for now

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!gen9ousamples

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rocky pike
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and tbh i wouldve preferred that

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cuz at least thats funny

spiral fable
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Sample teams aren’t necessarily bad: I’m laddering with the rain sample rn for suspect

rocky pike
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u definitely chose the most assholeish way to say all that

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cuz what u gave me wasnt advice, it was a dissection on why it was ass rather than a suggestion or two to build up the already existing team like i asked

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im going to make another team

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sample teams are so lame, anyone who knows literally anything can just look up that spread and know exactly what u run

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lmfao

spiral fable
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And it doesn’t matter if you’re running a sample team or not, people can guess 80-90% of your team from the preview if they’re knowledgeable in the tier

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ocean pumice
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mamo seems really hard to position so if you wanna build around it, maybe try life orb tera grass trailblaze?

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run offensive np ghold also

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dump corv and if i were u dump deos

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a kingambit wouldn't hurt ;)) idk about quaquaval as ur spinner also i would suggest sticking with something else

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maybe court change u turn cinderace?

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id also dump hamu

ocean pumice
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@forest magnet

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tight sail
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spiral fable
forest magnet
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its something diff

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don't go ham on them

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its alr, i authorized it

random wolf
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(Matte is being held hostage)

spiral fable
# tight sail can i salvage this team at all? https://pokepast.es/8bbf53254f90bbdf

Frankly, no.

Kyurem is a very good mon but tera dragon is very bad on it and it would much rather prefer tera ice, and boots isn't good on non-spike stacking teams with no removal

I don't even know what that walking wake set is, why are you running spdef evs, berries in general are highly niche in singles and is not viable on wake

Pex is fine ig but it definitely wants a different tera instead of poison and instead of black sludge it wants lefties/boots, also doesn't fit on this (presumed) style of HO? bulky offense?

Serperior is a good mon but this set is strange, why do you have body slam and giga drain when a: stellar hits everything b: leaf storm is way better giga drain c: you need sub and either glare/dpulse, and also tera ground serp is usually better anyways

Sash is bad on gambit(and 80% of ou mons in general), i have no idea what you've done to the evs but unless those are extremely specific calculations to survive specific sets in the meta they don't work, gambit always needs swords dance sucker punch and if you're tera dark kowtow cleave + iron head/low kick/tera blast coverage, reversal sucks, retaliate sucks, focus blast when you have low kick and you're a physical threat is extremely strange

Gouging is alright ig scale shot without dice is unreliable and tera fire isn't the best

In general, you're also missing any hazard setters beyond pex which is hella unreliable, you have no real team style in mind(bulky offense, hyper offense, balance, stall, etc), and 4/6 of these sets are completely strange. Smogon has a page for each OU mon with the common sets they run, and you should use those for 80% of your teams, with only small modifications ie dropping a move here changing tera etc

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I would recommend you pick up a sample team and familiarize yourself with the common sets run by the mons and how to build specific team styles

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!gen9ousamples

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dense gull
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spiral fable
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Your ghold set doesn't work it always needs nasty plot and what does thunderbolt even hit? Also why is it full hp with full spattack
Gliscor as a rocker is decent but if you're not going to pair it with a reliable spiker whats the point
Hsamu is not a reliable spiker on this team you will get chipped very easily and a lot of mons will block your ceaseless edge and punish the forced switch
Mola's fine but it really needs boots
Gking would rather run future sight over psychic, and boots over lefties
Where is your breaker, you need hazard removal, your speed control is poor and does not outspeed a lot of boosted threats, this team gets bowled over by rain, your only knock mon is rmoon which really doesn't like coming in often meaning you can't force a lot of progress against boot heavy teams.

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If i were to fix this team id drop 3 mons or more so I would just recommend you use a sample team

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!gen9ousamples

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severe violet
random wolf
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Pechabutt worrywhirl

dense gull
spiral fable
dense gull
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👍

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Appreciate the feedback my man

velvet path
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high pier
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idk much abt sv ou but dont u get mowed by water types

slow finch
ruby crest
# velvet path https://pokepast.es/6e26010afcf9882e

This already has a strong direction but lack immediate breaking power tbh, I would recommend doing hdb 4 attacks zama > id bpress, make This defensive np dengo > scarf u already have speed control with zama, do utility clef with wish > sr useful utility in keeping the team healthy, and replace gliscor with pex gived u better way to deal with weavile, some water mons, etc

fierce basin
# slow finch https://pokepast.es/5ddd2d0e3ad7bf8b

Hi, I'd go speed booster bulk up tusk here to make sure you always check gambit. If you're gonna run ghold I'd put it on a balloon since you have no ground resist, or make it a kingambit on a balloon (gives you smth that doesn't die to roaring moon)
I'm not at my computer so I can't provide an updated paste but hopefully those changes r simple enough. I'd go tera poison tusk
Other options are making samurott a glimmora or going swords dance Scizor over banded. Hope this helps good luck have fun

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fierce basin
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Mamoswine larp tusk w spin so bulk up rapid spin ground move ice spinner

slow finch
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?

fierce basin
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Tera poison tusk, I like knock better on sciz than terablast electric. If you're scared of unawares just put taunt on roaring moon

slow finch
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Alright alright

fierce basin
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Over quake

slow finch
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Boom

fierce basin
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Yeah there now u can taunt the unawares that wall the rest of your guys. Hope this helps good luck n have fun

slow finch
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Thank you

elder forge
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elder forge
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if Rocks (or worse, Spikes with setters like Hisuirott or Gliscor) are on the field, Sash becomes dead weight

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I'd reccommend dropping the spread on Hatt for a Phys Def spread to get the most out of CM's SpD boosting and mayybee drop Gleam for Kiss

cold field
dense gull
fierce basin
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Sorry but this channel is for completed teams

elder forge
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also don't know how I missed this before but don't run 4 Attack and Quiet on Hatterene

dense gull
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🥲

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My bad gimme a sec

elder forge
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Bold / Modest is much much better with no Attack investment
Nuzzle is not meant to do damage

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but naurr its cool

dense gull
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There we go

elder forge
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you still have Relaxed over Bold on Hatt

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if you're dropping SD on Weav for Low Kick I'd reccommend dropping U-Turn for SD on Oger

dense gull
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Bet

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Any other suggestions?

elder forge
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not on my end naur

cold field
quaint swan
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west harbor
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wake + mana are pretty redundant together in terms of coverage, so i would pick one and then replace the other with a different offensive partner. gambit is always nice on webs or you could try smth faster, up to you

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i also wouldn’t rly go twave ghold bc you most likely wouldn’t have the turns to paralyse things bc webs is offensive, so you could try a third attack like gleam or psyshock if you wanted

cold field
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okay thanks a lot

hasty dune
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velvet path
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is this fine for ghold

ruby crest
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Do boots instead off ballon here

elder forge
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ocean pumice
elder forge
spiral fable
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yoink

spiral fable
ocean pumice
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wow stolen.

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wanted to add psyspam does not appreciate polt as much as before

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bcs of stuff like hamurott

spiral fable
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polt an og dont slander my man like that(tera fighting is good enough for anything you need)

elder forge
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Psycho Boost / Superpower, what should be my last options?

ocean pumice
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don't use psycho boost use expanding force

elder forge
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oh snap

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then what?

cloud blade
ruby crest
cloud blade
cloud blade
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I forgot how leech seed works

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Ye idk outside of just for longevity and bigger subs

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It shoild be in defenses tho

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Idk what i was thinking

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Cuz it makes leech seed less effective

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For healing

ruby crest
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yeh u dont necessarily need all that bulk on serp fwiw, tho honestly if u are doing glisc skarm u are way better in doing balanc efwiw

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also leech seed is not that good anymore these days

cloud blade
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The balance variation of the team

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LOL

ruby crest
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Yeah I def say stick with this cause if ur doing glisc skarm it’s generally betrrr balance if ur doing Bo u def are going to do different defensive structure

quaint swan
spiral fable
# quaint swan https://pokepast.es/5fd666e0b5e88699

Sash hamurott is outclassed by both deo s and glimm, tusk doesn't fit on these spike ho, boots on gouging is a waste, what's up with the wacky evs on serp and tera stellar is a bait anyways, gholdengo evs are really wack and gholdengo in general doesn't work on spikes ho anyways
I would have to swap three mons on this team to make it work so i would recommend using a sample team for now

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spiral fable
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If you're fine with dropping half the team swap hamurott for glimm, tusk for boulder, ghold for volc, swap serp to dpulse tera ground blast leaf storm, gouging fire to attack booster + flare blitz and dragon claw over outrage , and lum berry to lefties on gambit

cloud blade
# quaint swan https://pokepast.es/5fd666e0b5e88699

Drop gouging and serp, make your samu scarf (drop jet for flip turn, cutter to razor shell), put a scarf enam as well, and make your tusk lefties, and finally, you want a zapdos (just use one of the samples) for pivotting+ground immunity outside of ghold

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Idk

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I might be crazy

spiral fable
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Yes

velvet path
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spiral fable
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Furthermore, there was already a rate given, and your rate changed his entire team style from ho to bo for no reason

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It’s not even a good bo team hamurott still isn’t a good hazard setter for bo and that tusk set wants booster not lefties

spiral fable
# velvet path https://pokepast.es/39aa6e5fa0cff0cf

Spike stacking balance teams really like to keep ghold so they can deny hazard removal, but honestly this team is so close to the kyurem bo sample I’d recommend you just use that
Also don’t run scale shot on non phys kyurem it’s hella unreliable

velvet path
cloud blade
ruby crest
spiral fable
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Eh I would say it’s preferred for a lot of them

ruby crest
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If you look at the samples only one out of the Hstack balance / Bo only has dengo

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Dengo is not that important for a functioning Hstack balance to work

spiral fable
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So

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(The kyurem one has eq knock gliscor not spikes)

ruby crest
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Yeah idk why but then again they need knock on glisc so rip

cold field
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# cold field https://pokepast.es/5c74ad8c9cf60572 hey so here's my team and i'm struggling a ...

Using hoopa like that is probably the most glaring problem, hoopa is just not good in ou rn so u probably wanna replace it cuz it just leaves you vulnerable to getting predicted, uturned on by a boots mon, and having your day ruined cuz you sold all your initiative, balloon gambit is like pikabrain either lum glasses lefties or boots, then i’d say probably put rocks on tusk? Thats all i can say from what i know, theres probably a sample tho that you could use with a similar webs core

spiral fable
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???

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Dude what are you talking about

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Please stop trying to rate team styles that you are familiar and skilled with

cold field
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what

spiral fable
spiral fable
# cold field https://pokepast.es/5c74ad8c9cf60572 hey so here's my team and i'm struggling a ...

Webs isn't a very good archetype right now: Ribombee loses hard to Deo S leads and with the recent innovation of mud shot glimm it doesn't fare much better into it
If you want to run webs though, smeargle is a way better setter than ribombee.
Manaphy is fine though you might want to run tail glow over demon manaphy since it's a lot harder to keep those boosts due to the higher power level of ou
Tusk is pretty outclassed imo, it would be better to run something like ddance kyurem with loaded dice
Ghold is fine but you'd probably want to run psyshock over dazzling gleam, and tera flying
Invest full speed in gambit, with dark glasses, iron head, and tera dark(alternatively you could do a defensive tera and keep balloon but i would recommend tera dark to make use of webs more)
Hoopa is bad, replace it with RMoon ddance(i would recommend a knock acro taunt set though you could replace taunt with eq)

cold field
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okay thanks a lot

cold field
spiral fable
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yes

cold field
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okok thanks

cold field
spiral fable
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psyshock on ghold

cold field
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ah mb idk why i read psychic

fierce basin
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Replace spin on smeargle w court change so if they switch to a magic bouncer u can get em on the other side anyway

woeful plume
spiral fable
# woeful plume https://pokepast.es/864b0def28cf6b69 other than I don't have a trap remover how'...

This team doesn't work
You're just throwing mons on a team with no idea of a team structure in mind: you have two setup sweepers, then a banded mon? then two speed control mons, and then a wall in pex
There's no synergy between mons, pex is a momentum sink and you don't need that much speed control + why do you have so many offensive mons on a team if you're not going for bulky offense/hyper offense
Use a sample for now, study the general structure of teams and learn the roles necessary for each type

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brisk cedar
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every team needs to be resilient to hazards, play the game at a very fast pace to minimize the effect, or remove hazards

sly mauve
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sly mauve
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help me i’m suffering

spiral fable
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ok basically none of this team works

sly mauve
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OU is a scary place and i don’t feel safe

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i don’t know how to defend myself

spiral fable
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actually tyson you take this

ruby crest
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this is a team indeed

brisk cedar
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just use a sample team

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scarf boulder, specs gren and boots tect tera steel aren't good sets while magnezone is unviable

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pon should be swords dance

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Team also lacks checks to a ton of things and loses to entry hazards, not enough pivots either

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^

ruby crest
quaint swan
spiral fable
# quaint swan https://pokepast.es/4f38f457893f8d59

This team just doesn't have much of a direction
It looks like Bulky Offense, but you don't have a hazard setter and these mons don't synergize well
You have no immediate power but also don't have the offensive pressure nor hazards to break bulkier teams
Why do you have a pivot on this team if you do not have any immediate power to back it up? Furthermore, 2/3 mons on this team actively do not want to switch in often
Power Herb arch is bad just run vest or lefties utility
Primarina really isn't the best bulky calm minder
This team just can't break fat, gets bowled over by ho, lacks the hazards to chip down mons
You also struggle hard with rain and sun
I would recommend using a sample team for now

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https://pokepast.es/918678bb48f89296
Bulky offensive team. Was struggling with ogerpon pretty heavily so changed ghambit to Tera grass and poison jab. Iron treads is my main fairy counter, OHKOing enam and val, and 2HKOing defensive clef and hatt. It is also running earth power that OHKO’s glim even with -spatk nature. AV kyurem is the wild card on the team as a “surprise I live that” mon. Dual wingbeat on glisc is in case an ogerpon gets out of control and kinghambit will be 1 shot. Also it beats substitute serperior. Gouging and Val are normal sets, maybe I go full special on Val but cc is just a more consistent fighting move.

umbral adder
twin horizon
umbral adder
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not a team rater but just a thought. what if you went with kyurem over weavile?

twin horizon
umbral adder
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yeah freeze dry is bonkers against rain

twin horizon
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oh yeah absolutely

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what if I went raging bolt instead? still gives speed control with thunderclap, matches up nicely against a lot of rain mons, and hits like a mf

umbral adder
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yeah hits dozo se too so it might just work. great defensive typing too. not a huge fan of screenless ho tho

twin horizon
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totally get that, considering making a variant that switches lando for grimm or atales

spiral fable
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HO doesn’t run any choiced mons and you don’t have a suicide lead

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It’s not bad to run bulky offense but if you want to turn this into actual ho you’ll need to drop a few mons

spiral fable
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Do you want to turn this into ho?

brisk cedar
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If it becomes screens I'd go tera dark glasses gambit

twin horizon
spiral fable
# twin horizon I’d love to!

Drop lando drop hatterene drop weavile
Slot on screens deo s with taunt and then coverage of your choice
Slot on booster attack roaring moon ddance with taunt
Slot on ddance kyurem with Tera blast Tera fire
Swap volc to Tera grass giga drain
Swap gambit to Tera dark dark glasses bulky gambit with iron head

velvet path
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velvet path
severe violet
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https://pokepast.es/87762922f6124a5c im considering switching to banded rilla but am unsure if i should in turn go for a more defensive clef, or just make them both more offensive. also not sure if the pecharunt is a good choice either. helps get around tox spikes i guess but a bit unsure still

spiral fable
# severe violet https://pokepast.es/87762922f6124a5c im considering switching to banded rilla bu...

Pecharunt is a fraud, vest rillaboom is a waste of a rillaboom, rocky helmet heatran sounds great until you fold to the first fighting type to hit you, sash hamurott doesn't fit outside of ho and even there its bad, life orb clef is not viable this gen
You have a semi balance semi bulky offense team that doesn't dedicate to either and lacks crucial parts of both, you have no hazard removal but a few mons that would like it, you have no breakers and your only forms of speed control are a weak grassy glide and espeed dnite which requires tera to really pick off threats and struggles against mons like boulder, you only have one sweeper but don't have a reliable defensive core nor the means to prevent hazard removal in order to chip down bulkier teams
There's very little synergy in this team with rillaboom actively undermining dnite and this team gets completely bowled over by rain and other ho styles + doesn't have chip/breaker to break past bulky fat cores
just run a sample for now learn how to build and what roles each team needs

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spiral fable
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I’ll get to it when I get back to my computer

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I’m going to be honest the team isn’t looking very good and I’m probably going to sample it

tardy oracle
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Ok sorry don’t wanna sound too pushy

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I went from 1100-1400 with only like 2 losses

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Idk I’ll give you time to work the magic

spiral fable
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That’s frankly not a good metric because the quality of teams in low ladder is very… dubious

spiral fable
# tardy oracle https://pokepast.es/918678bb48f89296 Bulky offensive team. Was struggling with o...

So this team has a lot of problems
Assault Vest kyurem is a waste, poison jab on gambit is wack especially since iron head hits all fairies anyways, dual wingbeat on gliscor is wack, heavy slam on treads is wack, scarf val is a waste especially since booster exists anyways, why did you ev your treads, kyurem, and gambit like that, tera grass on gambit is weird since flying does everything you want anyways, why tera poison on kyurem, your hazard removal isn't the most reliable with treads struggling into a lot of the common hazard setters
This team lacks any breaking power and doesn't have the offensive pressure to make up for it, i don't understand why you have those weird evs on treads but tusk outclasses it in most departments(especially not letting gliscor in for free), there's not a lot of synergy between these mons.
You're going to struggle to break fat cores without any breakers/knock mons to force progress through hazards and you easily get run over by ho teams after a single speed boost, it struggles heavily into the rain matchup, your mons get easily chipped by hazards which tread cannot remove reliably, this team just doesn't work.
I would recommend using a sample team to learn common sets used by mons and how to build certain team styles

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junior tree
spiral fable
# umbral adder https://pokepast.es/d0a90386f9fdc0da

This team is pretty decent, but there's a few things i would change
Switch primarina for gking, better pivot synergy with gking
Make tusk physically defensive, with eq over headlong
Rillaboom feels pretty awkward on the team so I would suggest booster mixed val for extra speed control, although ogerpon wellspring would also work and contribute greatly into your rain matchup
What's up with 84 speed on gambit? make it 44 and put the rest into hp
Might want to make bolt booster energy for bigger damage but that's up to you

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Alternatively you could make rillaboom mola for a better rain matchup as well though this makes your team a bit bulkier

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spiral fable
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Clef really isn’t a threat

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Most it does it Twave which is annoying but you’re sucker punching anyways

umbral adder
quick bluff
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tryna cook with mienshao

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(spatk evs are to ohko tusk)

forest magnet
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testing

rain gyro
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rain gyro
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and i pressed enter early on accident

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lmao

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it's fine this is the team anyway

spiral fable
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ok straight out the gate you dont need two suicide ledas

rain gyro
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right i keep forgetting that

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i'm too used to hazard + screens

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which one do you suggest i keep?

spiral fable
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deo s

rain gyro
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ok

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i might fit boulder here then maybe

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or darkrai

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but probably boulder because my valiant matchup isn't too good at the moment 😭

spiral fable
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one sec busy rn but ill go more indepth later

rain gyro
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but idk there might be something better that i'm missing

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its fine

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just please ping me because if i fall asleep i'll check tmrw anyway lmao

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Ok I'm just going to assume screens since its better for this team anyways
Run Light Clay deo s with screens and then taunt/coverage of your choice
Run bulky gambit with lefties
Run attack booster gouging fire with heat crash
Swap on ddance kyurem with tera blast fire
Swap volc to tera grass giga drain

rain gyro
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back

rain gyro
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thanks

quick bluff
umbral adder
strange shoal
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calm ether
spiral fable
# strange shoal https://pokepast.es/176c93b745570608 this team has been working pretty decently ...

So this team is really confusing
You have suicide lead smeargle with webs, but then most of this team isn't HO? The only true HO mon on this team is Roaring Moon, but even then RMoon would prefer tera flying
Counter clodsire is not good
Bulky Cinderace is alright but it actively hinders your webs teams, and doesn't fit on HO
Latios isn't that good in OU, and especially not as a setup sweeper
What are skarmory and clodsire doing on a ho team
This team doesn't work: it doesn't fit any team structure and some of the mons actively counter each other, you have nothing to keep up webs and once that's gone all you've got is a subpar weird bulky offense team that doesn't have the breaking power to push past bulky cores or the defensive core/speed to blitz past ho/rain teams

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Use a sample team for now, learn the meta and common sets + how to build team styles

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cool, thanks!

tawdry verge
# calm ether https://pokepast.es/46bc4fe31c65c235 Very open for suggestions

Not bad! Skarm > Clef is needed here as the team needs more physical bulk to be an effective balance team. Better matchup vs tusk, gambit, meow, and other physical attackers. you can run iron def body press as wincon or brave bird to hit volcarona. Whirlwind is also an option to phase out setup mons or force hazards damage.
Next big change is specs on pult. Otherwise your team is too passive, the team needs a heavy hitter, and draco+shadow balls allows that. That also pairs well with chilly reception to bring pult in safely. You can also try to switch Pult on predictions aggresively, and then uturn out to accumulate hazards damage in the opposing team.
the team with changes
https://pokepast.es/5036153d95916af5

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tawdry verge
# umbral adder https://pokepast.es/630a9ff521ecf48f i wanna make volc gambit bolt work but kind...

The team needs more offensive pressure.
Remove corv, make ghold defensive, it can somewhat do its job as well. With Np it can punch holes into opposing teams.
As the team needs more gambit resist, a water type for rain, and more speed, scarf samurott fits.
Also, for more immediate power (which I think the team needs) use booster item and draco on bolt. Tera electric is an option to boost thunderclap for late game
https://pokepast.es/7e12873ca31e3d56

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meows is kind of shoed in

cloud blade
# lilac fossil https://pokepast.es/e17e02de651ac621

Balance can only get away with not running bootspam when its mons arent rocks weak. Cough. Heatran. Cough. Umm u kinda need removal here. Also weavile seems blatantly better then meow here, unless u wanna go for scarf trick meow, cuz of the waterpon overlap
Also i reccomend u add slack off over toxic on gking

umbral adder
forest magnet
ocean pumice
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Tera fly moon btw forgot 2 change

forest magnet
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@ocean pumice Meowscarada (F) @ Choice Band
Ability: Overgrow
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Flower Trick
  • Knock Off
  • Triple Axel
  • U-turn
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"Ability: Overgrow"

ocean pumice
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I forgot ❤️

forest magnet
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alr

forest magnet
# ocean pumice Yeah I coughed this up because I wanted to use snow and it looks very random htt...

Pretty solid, I just swapped Frostmoth for Volc, its just better in terms of moves and typing, gives this team a Fairy resist. Swapped Glowking for Gliscor, good SpD pivot which you can use to get members of the team in, and also set hazards luring in Cinderace. swapped meow for speed booster tusk for more speed controll (ur team is p slow already) and hazard removal + a good win condition with bulk up. made roaring moon atk booster + taunt for good stall breaking. https://pokepast.es/04600222da450bcb

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forest magnet
ruby crest
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^

ruby crest
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Also not a fan of pure physical kyurem with dd it always if not wants to be mixed when doing so

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Everything else I agree tho you can also argue a diff Tera on volc tbh

spiral fable
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maybe drop gliscor for cm val?

forest magnet
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fine.

ruby crest
forest magnet
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lemme get some new changes

spiral fable
ruby crest
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either or is fine tbh

forest magnet
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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 52 HP / 252 Atk / 12 SpD / 192 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Agility
  • Earthquake
  • Dual Wingbeat
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^ moon pressures skarm alr, so this can thrive

barren wolf
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Hey guys new to the showdown community after watching youtube videos for years. Just recently started team building and wanted to build a HO team for the first time. The team is somewhat consistent but I need some tweaks. I was thinking about making changes to Glimmora and/or taking off Walking Wakes choice scarf cause I heard you shouldn’t run choice on HO but unsure of what to use instead. Give me any criticism or tweaks, preferably not changing Slither Wing and Hisui-Lilligant out

Sun HO Team:
https://pokepast.es/e774530c6110638c

forest magnet
# barren wolf Hey guys new to the showdown community after watching youtube videos for years. ...

Hey, you have the idea of Sun and HO mixed together. When you play sun, its already an offensive playstyle so you should just lean into all of the aspects of sun. HO is not something you want to mix with sun, as sun teams are offensive enought with how much damage they do, but also having two mandatory pokemon (Torkal for the sun and Glimmora for the hazards) makes your team not as strong compared to if you just dedicated yorself into one playstyle. Instead of having a lead, just lead Torkal and go into a sun sweeper/breaker. I'm going to provide you with a sample sun team which has Hisui-Lilligant on it.

Sample team: https://pokepast.es/4f204c816444c73c

barren wolf
forest magnet
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Hey, are we talking about the sample team? Or your own team.

barren wolf
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Well I was looking at the sample team for inspiration if that makes sense.

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For changes to the team I sent

ocean pumice
# barren wolf Ok that makes sense. I did feel like it sucked to have to go from Glimmora into ...
  1. proto spe + specs is better than proto spa + scarf. proto spe is 1.5x but proto spa is only 1.3x
  2. excadrill and glimmora are just bad here. waste of a slot on a sun team, weather teams aim to maximize the benefit they get from weather, and glimmora/excadrill do not help with that at all. one too many leads also
  3. slither wing is also just bad on ou and on sun, being outclassed at what it does by other mons
  4. removing these 3 mons just leaves you with tork, hilligant, and wake, and at that point you should just use the sample
barren wolf
# ocean pumice 1. proto spe + specs is better than proto spa + scarf. proto spe is 1.5x but pro...
  1. Didn’t even think about that but makes total sense
  2. The other guy also mentioned that and I kinda realized it but sent the team as is to see how to change it
  3. I appreciate the input but I wanted to use it and I am not trying to get high ladder its primarily for battling a friend in game
  4. I know the sample team is going to be better but I am trying to learn teambuilding as a skill not for grinding ladder as much. I like to make and use my own teams instead of others.

I appreciate your input though, I will be using it for sure. Thanks

rocky pike
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like i dont wanna get high ladder I just wanna learn how to build a team for the funny

barren wolf
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Yeah like I am not going to be delusional and have no viability on my team but I also wanna mix some fun in there. Best example of that would be Blimaxs teams on youtube, where he succeeds with fun pokemon but also still keeps viability

forest magnet
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blimax goat

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cobalt parrot
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went against a somewhat interesting stall team in ladder and thought about doing it my own way

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think tyranitar is an interesting fit because of sand passive damage but out of everyone, it + excadrill can probably be taken away without much problems, but the idea is to set up hazards with clef and ting lu, spin block with gholdengo and start doing things with tyranitar setting up sand and excadrill

calm ether
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also don’t run earth power ttar

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would run rock slide or mayyybe fire punch

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or fire blast

cobalt parrot
tawdry verge
knotty ginkgo
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ruby crest
knotty ginkgo
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None for now, I just made it, only wanted to know if there is any big issue with it before testing because I don't know shit about matchups

ruby crest
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But yeah like I said it looks fine just do Tera water > dark on ting Lu tbh

knotty ginkgo
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It's ghost, not dark

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Isn't ghost fine to spin block and gain fighting immunity?

tawdry verge
# knotty ginkgo https://pokepast.es/8eb2b4ea3fc6a74a

looks solid defensively but you will have problems against bulky physdef walls like skarm, corv, pex etc. since both your offensive mons get walled by them.
I think with a few minor tweaks you can remove clefable, it does not provide too much additional defensive or offensive capabilities.
Then you can add a mon that breaks def walls, I like thundrus with sub np here. If you play vs a team with physdef walls it should be possible to set up. Here is a version with my suggestions
https://pokepast.es/e34f22482e865208

ruby crest
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especially how super reliant thundy can be in using Tera against a team that doesn’t struggle as much with ur typical grounds that cover raging bolt

tawdry verge
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bolt is also good. I like that thund can potentially set up on gliscor. If thund nps and teras, it always gets something out of it in my experience

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instead of sub one can also run another coverage move, which could make it less reliant on tera

ruby crest
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And also meow

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so raging bolt just seems better in every way here fwiw

tawdry verge
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I wouldn't say better in every way, it is pretty slow for an offensive mon.
Here's also an rmt with a team using a similar playstyle, there can be some inspirations https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/alomomola-volt-turn-balance-peaked-1-2038-ft-thundurus-therian.3729417/. Anyway, both options can be tried out

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SV OU - ALOMOMOLA VOLT-TURN BALANCE - PEAKED #1, 2038 ft. Thundurus...

TABLE OF CONTENTS:

  1. Introduction

  2. Proof of Peak

  3. Team + Description

  4. Team Building Process

  5. Team usage tips

  6. Threat List

  7. Replays

  8. Shoutouts

  9. Importable

  10. Other Teams

  11. Outro

  12. INTRODUCTION

Hello everyone! It’s Pinkacross, and I’ve finally got another team. When I saw...

sly mauve
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Rate my team before I use it:)

junior tree
sly mauve
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Just cooked it up rn, idk I preferred having more def just kinda cooking teams while half asleep

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This had inspiration from a team so

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Anything you'd change?

junior tree
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Why not just adamant? You aren’t using the spatk stat unless you’re going for raw Tera blast

sly mauve
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I am using plus attack kyurem?

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A crap I'm not aren't I

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Didn't see

junior tree
sly mauve
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Oh wait

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I'm so high right now

junior tree
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Yea naughty is +atk -spdef lol

sly mauve
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Tera blast is a special move right?

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I'm so confused

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I probably don't read lol

junior tree
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Tera blast raw is special, but when you Tera it is based off what ever attacking stat of yours is stronger

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At least that’s my understanding

sly mauve
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OH

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Ok

junior tree
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Yea lol

sly mauve
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Well keep it naughty 😉

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Tera blast wout tera punch for surprise factor 😎

junior tree
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Lmao

sly mauve
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That it?

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Or u got some ideas?

junior tree
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The Kyurem evs and nature seem a bit wonky

sly mauve
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Ok

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What do u prefer then

junior tree
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The 2 defense evs dont do anything

sly mauve
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More bulk I'm guessing?

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Oh I just do that for the memes 😂

junior tree
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Lmao

ruby crest
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The evs for the entire team seems weird mainly the random 2 evs

sly mauve
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You see u can extra 2 EVs for the lolz

sly mauve
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It's allowed anyways so

ruby crest
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makes it a bit more tedious to look at evs properly

sly mauve
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😂

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My bad

ruby crest
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tho fwiw, what are u trying to go for this team cause the kyurem and deos makes it seem it seem ho tho the latter makes it more like balance/ Bo

sly mauve
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Other than the 2 evs

ruby crest
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It’s the 2 evs just makes it annoying to look at evs so u can easily mistaken the wrong evs for something “random”

sly mauve
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A, right.

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It's more of an offense team

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If I'm looking at it, I just realized I didn't consider what I was building 😅

ruby crest
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Cause it seems two clashing styles

sly mauve
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But ye I'm half asleep rn having fun

ruby crest
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This team could still be redeemed mostly if went for ho but that’s up to you

sly mauve
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Idrk what ama do

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I'll just try it for now

ruby crest
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Like u can keep deos, kyurem, gambit, and tusk we just gotta change clef and dirge to make it more fitting and just changing up sets

sly mauve
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Ok

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What changes @ruby crest

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And I might go for screens now if I'm going for ho I guess

ruby crest
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Suicide lead deos, make this speed booster bu, offensive glasses gambit, mixed dd kyurem, replace dirge with cm hatterene, and then replace clef with volcarona

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You can do screens deos as well ye

sly mauve
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What does speed do on gambit?

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How do I make it mixed rem

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And damn Patrick and Sandy boutu get replaced

ruby crest
# sly mauve What does speed do on gambit?

Outspeed whatever mons it needs to it’s just obligatory max max, speed booster bu is the great tusk set where you get speed boost from booster energy, for mixed kyurem you do dd duel stabs and then freeze dry last

sly mauve
sly mauve
ruby crest
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That’s why u have bu even then it doesn’t hurt it as much as you think since u still deal decent damage neutrally

ruby crest
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Either or has there merits one is good defensively the latter just makes u stronger

sly mauve
ruby crest
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just use the set on smogdex

sly mauve
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Ok

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That should be it then ig?

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I'll just start editing em up

ruby crest
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send me an update version

sly mauve
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Naming the deck after u LOL

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Fits perfectly

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@ruby crest volca set? Bulky or?

ruby crest
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offensive

sly mauve
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Ok

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@ruby crest tera?

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Volca*

ruby crest
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Let me see the team together to see which one is optimal

sly mauve
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Ok

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Sponjbob (Deoxys-Speed) @ Light Clay
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Taunt
  • Psycho Boost
  • Reflect
  • Light Screen

Kingnepchun (Kyurem) @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Freeze-Dry
  • Icicle Spear
  • Scale Shot

Iskuwidward (Great Tusk) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Bulk Up
  • Knock Off
  • Body Press
  • Earthquake

Misterkrabs (Kingambit) (M) @ Black Glasses
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Kowtow Cleave
  • Iron Head
  • Sucker Punch

Lari (Volcarona) (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Swarm
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Quiver Dance
  • Fiery Dance
  • Bug Buzz
  • Giga Drain

Sandichiks (Hatterene) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Calm Mind
  • Draining Kiss
  • Psyshock
  • Nuzzle
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Went for giga drain @ruby crest

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So not overeliant on tera

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So @ruby crest opinion?

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if you want to keep it defensive you could run clodsire over ting lu

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very fire weak im realizing

fierce basin
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Yeah I was gonna tell u 60d by lead volc but I was trying to come up w the fixes first

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Unless u wanna come back w an altered version

umbral adder
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i wanna stick with the rilla bolt core but other than that anything fair game

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and preferably keep kyu

fierce basin
# umbral adder i wanna stick with the rilla bolt core but other than that anything fair game

alright,
first off I'd replace treads with great tusk. Even if you were to keep treads, you'd rather run earth power over earthquake since you have grassy terrain. Making it speed booster bulk up so you have a bit more speed control and a wincon
this gambit set is weird because if you're going to run low kick you should be faster than opposing gambits so you can low kick them. Personally I don't think you need to do that with a bulk up tusk so I'm making it a seed hatterene to take advantage of terrain and also give you a sweeper stopper w nuzzle so you dont automatically lose to smth like +1 gouging fire/roaring moon or get tusk overloaded and lose to gambit later
I made corv a heatran so you can't lose to volc. If it tera grounds to kill you you can revenge it w rillaboom. Speed crept jolly gambit and then put the rest in spdef. It's on a balloon so you have something that doesn't touch the ground, it'll get the benefits of terrain when it pops anyway. Balloon lets you get a wisp off on something like dragonite/tusk etc. taunt is so volc doesnt qd roost forever
updated paste: https://pokepast.es/726f96705b757f96
other options:
less speed in rillaboom so you're bulkier, probably doesn't need max speed. can also go low kick if you get tired of arch
psyshock on hatt over stored power
more speed on tran to creep bolts
hope this helps good luck have fun

umbral adder
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u the best spidget

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just curious im prob gon runa bulkier rilla how much hp we thinking

fierce basin
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oh wait 2278

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227

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make sure ur faster than gliscor

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almost led u astray there

velvet path
spiral fable
# velvet path https://pokepast.es/5b1c25d7054702db

This team has a few issues
You have no breaking power and you don't have the hazard pressure to replace it: rocks along is not enough. Cinderace really doesn't offer much for this team (at that point just run offensive tusk), and you struggle hard with rain, with your only water resists being kyurem and dnite).
Replace Ting Lu (btw what is that ev spread) with phys def tusk: still sets rocks but now you can remove them as well
Make Kyurem specs now that you have a remover
Swap Clef for Mola, it brings a water resist to the team + nice recovery + pivot(although if you want to keep clef make it tera water full phys def bulk with twave)
Drop Cinderace for bulky volcarona, and make dnite full attack speed

velvet path
spiral fable
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Just use the smogon set, you can tweak the moveset if you want(ie running qd fiery wisp bug buzz or qd fiery buzz morning sun etc)

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I would recommend double stab with morning sun

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Or wisp if you hate gambit

velvet path
spiral fable
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No

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Run fire punch/other coverage of your choice

velvet path
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ok thanks

velvet path
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Great Tusk @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Impish Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Stealth Rock
  • Ice Spinner
  • Rapid Spin
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?

spiral fable
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With lefties

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Yeah looks good

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b: this is sv ou singles

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# stone dagger https://pokepast.es/90d0bba497f12751 sun...

So there's a few issues with this team
Weather really wants to maximize the amount of abusers it can fit on a team, as you need really need to make those 8 turns count
Therefore, drop skarmory and clefable
Replace clefable with Eject button Healing Wish Hatterene: It's a useful one time pivot that can get your sweepers in early game, and provide a late game boost to a weakened sweeper
Replace Skarmory with Life Orb Chollorophyl Growth Venusaur: It's a very strong threat under sun that can easily pick off weakened teams while providing a small bit of speed control
Swap Gouging Fire out for Banded Moon, with attack booster: Insanely powerful threat under sun, boosted knocks hit like a truck
Honestly you have quite a few options for your last slot so I'll just go over them here
Keeping Tusk: Provides spin utility and decent speed control + bulk with a bulk up speed booster set
Replacing Tusk with Raging Bolt: Helps with your rain matchup, bulky cm set with lefties can steal games and sweep lategame
Replacing Tusk with Gambit: Like bolt, but less dependant on sun but harder matchup into rain as a result.
Any of these work honestly, I would recommend gambit but bolt and tusk can be perfectly fine as well

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nice changes, agree with removing clef and skarm to make it a full sun abuser team. Just to add, flip turn/uturn on walking wake/roaring moon can help with momentum, which is essential to keep up on such an offensive team

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You can if you want, I wouldn't recommend it but if you really want to ig

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https://pokepast.es/c1d76d8a826ba316

Tried to do my research, but this is the first time I'm touching competitive since Gen 6 so /shrug

Biggest weakness I see is total lack of priority moves, but not sure how to fix that.

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# empty thistle https://pokepast.es/c1d76d8a826ba316 Tried to do my research, but this is the ...

alright,
so first off replace meow w weavile. weavile is bigger, faster and stronger than meow the only downside is no uturn, but being able to sd and break opposing balances as well as tera ice make it well worth it
give your skarmory a nature
this team looks like it wants to play the long game but it would struggle if that actually happened especially if you get spinblocked due to your lack of boots. I don't know why you have both glowking and av prim, too much overlap. Only reason I can think of is a water resist, but that's what tera is for in gen 9, patching up matchups (at least thats how I use it) replacing prim with a 2 attack volc and putting boots on glowking for the previously stated reasons
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/f0e38881d9cfb619
other options:
While I generally love this great tusk set, idk if it fits on a team like this. You may be better off making it a gliscor and leaning all the way into hazard stack, and then make the pult boots wisp hex aswell since there's no more removal on your team, would look something like this https://pokepast.es/be9f1649263a3eba (spdef gliscor to ease raging bolt matchup since you already have skarm anyway)
hope this helps, good luck have fun

empty thistle
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Oh forgetting the skarmory nature was a misclick. Generally making this as a template to use in game

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Was aiming for a balanced team, but I would like to keep the higher offense elements since I find that fun.

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If anything I'd want to lean more into offense than anything, but I don't have the knowledge base to do that.

fierce basin
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understandable, I just felt nervous leaving tusk because if they spinblock you or even just toxic tusk and then get em up again you're in a much worse off position, and when you run something like skarm/glowking it's a fair assumption they'll be getting hazards up too w their turns

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but thats why I gave 2 pastes incase you did want to keep it more offensive

empty thistle
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Gotcha.

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A little sad that meow is getting the boot. It started as one of the two mons I tried to build around. My goal was to take two well-tiered OU mons that I personally like and build a team around them.

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But the logic makes sense.

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Appreciate the feedback.

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no problem hope it helped hf

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need help with that

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ting-lu and maushold stay

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oh naur its cool

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# oak summit https://pokepast.es/c810b243b617ecdb happy for any feedback. New to Gen 9 OU so ...

So this team has a few problems
No rocker is really weird, your only hazard remover is scizor(which struggles against setters like skarmory and gliscor), you have poor speed control and no physical defense mon besides ghold, which struggles to do much in a metagame where most phys def mons can hit it really hard. You get bowled over easily by faster offense teams like rain and ho, which can easily break your defensive core, while you will have a hard time handling defensive spikes stacking team who can easily chip scizor down, while you struggle to break past their knock absorber (usually skarm/gliscor), both of which can sit on scizor for days.
I would recommend you start off with a sample team for now to learn the meta: especially this one https://pokepast.es/e0a24df11f21190e, keeps Kyurem + gliscor on your team while providing a better spdef pivot that synergizes well.
Use them to learn the meta and what threats you need to build for, and gl

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double but i'm tryna make it work for singles

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doubles and singles are wildly different metagames that are extremely hostile to teams that try to bridge both

cold field
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is this team better in doubles?

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thats someting to ask the doubles raters

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^

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fierce basin
# clear sentinel https://pokepast.es/4b8450ad67565043 ursaluna either wins the game or faints but...

okay,
first off dont invest spdef in ursaluna just go speed, if you go first youre probably killing smth with luna anyway. I'd go jolly so that you dont get outpaced by iron defense skarmory/stuff creeping kingambit since you can sd under veil I think the speed is worth it
I'm making your roaring moon taunt over earthquake so you can break past unawares for the rest of the team along w ursa
I'm making your iron treads a speed booster bulk up great tusk, provides you with an additional wincon and it gets the spin off more easily, as well as stopping you from getting completely smashed by kingambit if it turns fairy or into smth that beats roaring moon
imo I think your terablast volc should be something that beats gouging fire so it doesnt own you, either ground or dragon. I made it modest but you can try switching it back if you dont like this
here's the updated paste https://pokepast.es/57008efeff252743
hope this helps good luck have fun

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I’m sure the entire thing is completely disjunct, seeing as I have no strategy but “hit ‘em real hard”

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I usually send out Toxapex Glimmora first to set up rocks and hopefully Tspikes

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https://pokepast.es/2e88649595f6c5a3
I'm not really clicking CM on Clefable. Should I change it for Knock Off or swap Stealth Rock and CM between Blissey and Clef? Any other changes?

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rain team

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Which one r u typing for

spiral fable
# sly mauve rain team

Honestly triple steel rain is probably the best rain you’d get so id recommend you run that
Your rain team also has a few issues: it doesn’t need a defensive mon at all (and Garg is negatively affected by the rain), overquil just isn’t good on rain anymore, there’s no point in running a suicide lead on rain and it just wastes a move slot, and basculegion doesn’t get last respects cuz it’s banned+is worse than barreskewda because the recoil it takes allows it to be revenged much easier

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# knotty ginkgo https://pokepast.es/2e88649595f6c5a3 I'm not really clicking CM on Clefable. Sho...

I would just recommend the sample stall that you took this skeleton from, by removing hydrapple you're now 6-0d by stuff like banded rillaboom and wogerpon, by removing calm mind on blissey you're stopping it from checking the special attackers it's supposed to. This also gets smashed by weavile n hazards without the hydrapple absorbing knocks. here's a writeup you can read to know why certain mons and sets are used on the current iteration of stall
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peaked-2-2045-elo-–-hydrapple-stall.3734847/
Hope this helps good luck have fun

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Peaked #2 (2045 ELO) – Hydrapple Stall

Peaked #2 (2045 ELO) – Hydrapple Stall

:sv/Hydrapple: :sv/Blissey: :sv/Dondozo: :sv/Clodsire: :sv/Alomomola: :sv/Gliscor:

This team was built by quacc and myself

https://pokepast.es/ea07630b4864a081

Table of Contents:

Introduction
Proof of Peak
Team Members
Threats
Replays
Acknowledgments...

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Because treads isn’t meant to tank attacks

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Treads is a utility mon that offers spin, rocks, pivot, and an electric immunity

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aurora veil a9tails

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how about kyurem on the team? good synergy with ninetails (def boost + under screens its difficult to kill)

cold field
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any peculiar build to fit him in there?

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instead of ogerpon

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then mixed enam to break defensive teams, especially stall that has blissey and other fat mons

cold field
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like atk? and spa?

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like gambit, naive
4 Atk Enamorus Superpower vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 386-456 (59.2 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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you also don't have any hazards

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maybe i should replace dragapult no?

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to put someone who can hazard like gliscor

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or smth

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I would use something more offensive to keep the playstyle ho, like h-samurott or gren, both get spikes

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I would recommend against it

tawdry verge
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also they are good against rain

spiral fable
# cold field https://pokepast.es/2230e1a76b6110c4 hey what about this team i was thinking may...

Frankly, a lot of these mons don’t work on veil/have better options that veil would prefer
Maus is extremely fragile and veil doesn’t really fix its issues, and iirc tidy up actually removes veil(could be wrong on this). It also struggles hard into any ghost, and the rise of skarmory with rocky helmet hurts a lot
Enamorus doesn’t have the power to break teams like other sweepers do, as it must rely on Tera to get boosts(which sucks) and has no way of boosting its speed beyond scarf, opening it up to easy revenge kills
There’s just better ddancers than pult, who must go mixed/rely on Tera for decent ghost stab

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I would recommend dropping this three for:
Roaring Moon, who outspeeds everything after +1, and greatly appreciates veil for letting it set up easier. Run ddance acrobatics with knock, and then either taunt/eq, up to you. Also is a useful lead into deo s, who hard shuts down atales.
Ddance kyurem(if it doesn’t get banned), with Tera blast Tera fire + loaded dice scale shot and icicle spear. If you want to not be reliant on Tera, you can run a mixed set with earth power instead. Bulky in itself, and snow + veil takes it to absurd heights
Volcarona, standard matchup moth shenanigans. Offensive qd with fiery/flamethrower + bug buzz and either giga drain or Tera blast ground, up to you.

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Switch your ogerpon set to sd ivy cudgel horn leech and then coverage of your choice or encore

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sly mauve
strange kayak
spiral fable
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/d25faf09393bf33a Built this around that sample archaludon s...

If you're going to run rain you need to dedicate fully to it
Serperior isn't good on rain, doesn't help its matchups against other rain(which outspeed/have counters to grass types), nor shore up its matchup into other weather (sun doesn't care at all for it)
Wellspring isn't good on rain and you have far better options(barreskewda)
Hatterene is an alright pivot but its a lot better to use treads, which offers spin, electric immunity, and rocks + a ground stab to hit pesky steels like arch
I would recommend you use the sample rain, https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b

spiral fable
# strange kayak https://pokepast.es/201ccfe4c989ba84 Rain team 👍

Arch is of course fine on rain, but you'd rather run vest for the added bulk over lefties, and draco to hit 2hko/ohko ranges dpulse can't reach
Tera water is far better on skewda, allows it to hit crucial ohko thresholds on mons like pult
You don't need two ground mons, treads does the job perfectly fine and clodsire is far too passive to be on rain
Treads is fine but you'd rather run either booster or eject button(i recommend eject button for quick pivot) since hazards should never stack further than 1 spike/rocks. Run rocks over knock off as well
Wake is bad on rain and you don't need the speed control when you have skewda, and its much better to run raging bolt, who can still offer a crucial water resistance while also having priority electric to threaten with
I iwould recommend you use the sample rain, https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b

fierce basin
# edgy pebble https://pokepast.es/db219df047eb09b6 any team suggestions, swaps, etc? Building ...

hi,
this team doesn't make a lot of sense to me, you've got dual hazards but then you seem on planning to tidy them up. Even if you didn't tidy them up, if your opponent gets hazards up alongside you, all 6 of your pokemon touch the ground and get hit by spikes. I don't think scarf zone is viable in this meta, if you really had to run zone I think something like expert belt would be better w body press over terablast fight. Not running triple axel on this meow has you basically 6-0d by lead gliscor. Aside from zone, kingambit beats like everything cause you've got low kick on your maushold (if you were gonna use this mon imo it should be encore so you can interrupt setup and mess w sucker punch). Even something as simple as booster bulk up tusk with earthquake/ice spinner puts this team in a blender and it needs to tera out. If you want to try a team with meow/pex/ting lu, I'd recommend trying this sample team to get a feel for things and see why certain stuff works https://pokepast.es/77abcfc2f9418a52
I hope this helps, good luck have fun, sorry it took awhile to get back to u

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desert bridge
spiral fable
# desert bridge https://pokepast.es/b15a1c94efe1f8fc how can i improve this (crappy) team i just...

So this team seems a bit split
You have lando t as a lead rocker, and then you stack a bunch of offensive threats, but end it off with dirge? Seems like you were going for a bulky offense, but in that case dirge is too much of a momentum sink for it to really work
I would drop skeledirge for gking, which offers a nice pivot and good synergy with kyurem. Swap Enamorus to a scarf set, make zamazenta iron defense body press with lefties, give ogerpon horn leech over wood hammer, and swap kyurem to a ddance set with Tera blast Tera fire

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https://pokepast.es/c8f74aeace92da74
I’m tryna do a screens offense, but I’m struggling with the building. I wash I had a team to show you, but I just don’t. Instead I got a bunch of mons I’ve just been throwing together hoping something clicks. It just becomes a cycle of get swept by rain add ogerpon, get swept by this add that, not enough mons benefitting from screens, add a setup Mon. I need help and there aren’t any sample screens teams rn.

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I'm sorry but we only rate completed teams (though if you are struggling to build screens, i think that is a very clear indication of screen's place in the current meta)

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Though I would say most of these mons just don't fit on screens: out of all of these only hatt, gouging, and kyurem really fit

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Like wheres volc bro

sly mauve
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Treads in rain with eject button

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It still dies

spiral fable
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This team has seen great success in ladder, suspects, and the same structure has been used in tournaments to similar results.

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If you do not like the team: sure, it's not for everyone. But to deny it's success just because you are upset that your team was not on par with it, then try to discourage other people from seeking help in this channel, is petty at best.

sly mauve
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Petty is not admitting when ur wrong

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I got 1400 with mine ATM

spiral fable
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1400 isn't even out of low ladder

sly mauve
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I can go higher

forest magnet
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@sly mauve please don't come here if you are going to harrass our raters. we don't need stuff like this

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celest dust
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run giga drain over sludge bomb

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nah give me a sec

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Torkoal set is fine but you'd probably want will o wisp over body press
Drop Dpulse on wake for flip turn so you can pivot out, and make it spattack booster
Keeping Raging Bolt is fine but it'd much prefer to run either a specs set(though I wouldn't recommend on this team) or a CM Lefties set with dpulse over draco and it drops volt switch
I don't think Tusk is the best fit for this team, and I would recommend running Eject Button Hatterene instead, which would still provide a level of hazard control while also giving the team a quick pivot and healing wish late game
If you're going to run bulky gambit run the proper set of 212 hp 44 speed, unless that 140 speed is specifically calced to outspeed something?

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Really? The smogon sets are either 252 attack spd or the bulky set i recommended

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Why do you have two taunt mons, clodsire is too passive especially since its unaware, your speed control is poor + you don't really have that many good pivots

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There isn't much synergy in this team and you only have one spattacker, no pivots means your team is easily chipped + your breakers are frail and cannot switch in often, your walls are too passive and sink momentum

desert bridge
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Kyurem works perfectly fine as a physical attacker(same stats for spattack and phys) people just run specs more since it offers better immediate power, but ddance sets are far better on ho teams

desert bridge
spiral fable
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Loaded dice with scale shot and icicle spear

plucky olive
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landorus, zamazenta, valiant, corviknight, and dragapult any ideas on what the last mon to round out the team should be

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Mega rayquaza

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edgy obsidian
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I like Metagross. It's one of my favourite mons, and while it isn't the best in the current metagame, I think it can bring a lot to a team

spiral fable
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Not really

forest magnet
edgy obsidian
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:boowomp:

forest magnet
spiral fable
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sorry but metagross is just too slow in a meta choke full of very powerful dark types and ground types

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and it doesn't bring enough to a team like say ghold

edgy obsidian
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Yeah, that's true

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Alright, I swapped Meta (RIP, he will be missed) for Scizor. Anything else?

This is the set BTW
**Blade (Scizor) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • U-turn
  • Bullet Punch
  • Knock Off
  • Close Combat**
edgy obsidian
ruby crest
edgy obsidian
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Kk, take your time :)

empty thistle
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Trying to build my own HO team - https://pokepast.es/a5bed2e414b06ef0
Tried to do my research and look at sample teams, pokedex writups, etc. Hoping the team comp is fairly good but doubt I got the sets right.

foggy portal
junior tree
foggy portal
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ok what can be fixed

junior tree
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No clue, haven’t played ou in a month

foggy portal
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😑

fierce basin
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Don't ping ppl here to shitpost

fierce basin
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Gl

empty thistle
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Cool, thanks, yeah U-turn vs SD was one of my bigger questions about that.

fierce basin
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Also you can run play rough over knock on ogerpon to hit dragons better

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Smog set prob doesn't have it cause I doubt it updated since all the dragons dropped in dlc2

empty thistle
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Nah, one of the smog sets has play rough as an option

fierce basin
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OR low kick for arch

empty thistle
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I have knock off there because the smog pkdex write up on DD Kyurem says it benefits from having a knocker

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But you'd know better about that than me.

fierce basin
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Dw about that this kyurem doesn't care about anything aside from maybe having spin but can't rly slot it. You can even make it adamant

empty thistle
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Gotcha

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What would be a good change for the volc set if I went that way and kept Kyurem as is?

fierce basin
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Just give it bug buzz or smth and change the tera if u do. You can also try running 2 tera blast guys I just generally don't like doing that

empty thistle
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Nah that makes sense for sure

foggy portal
junior tree
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Never seen spdef Alo before

ruby crest
# edgy obsidian https://pokepast.es/7c028c9bc709093b I'm worried about Unaware users, Weavile a...

https://pokepast.es/ea1bef8fe739f608, sorry for the delay as mentioned metagross was whatever and decided to replace it with mixed dd kyurem this gives u another powerful breaker as well as a great way to pressure ur typical unaware users, made moon get the attack boost here and made it tera fly acro with taunt which will be useful in taking advantage passive teams, i really wanted to keep serp here but decided to make it a volcarona as it gives u not only a great win con but also something to improve with ur weavile and iron val mu (sd knock from weav can still sting), gave more speed to ur hatt for the occasional pex that creep and other hatt mu, you dont necessrily want both hazard on glimmora since the most is get rocks try to activate toxic debris and deny hazard, remove hazard, or weaken something, lastly i decided to change great tusk set to a set up wincon one gives u another win con option

edgy obsidian
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It's amazing so far

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Thanks btw!

ruby crest
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no problemo glad it helped

high rune
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ocean pumice
# high rune since Kyurem isnt getting banned, thoughts? https://pokepast.es/e7f8446dc81ad52e

hi not a rater so take my advice with a grain of salt, but this team structure is all over the place, ribombee + ghold + kyurem pair well on ho, the rest can't take advantage of webs as much. if you'd like to make this ho, i'd suggest making gholdengo spread a bit more offensive, you could also do 252 spa 252+ spe tera fighting focus blast (over recover) if you like, then dump tusk, glowking, & clef. i'd also make ribombee tera steel to block glimmora's mortal spin, as for kyurem, sub seems like too much setup and also can't do anything vs bulky waters, so i'd suggest running freeze dry over sub. if you add pokemon that can pressure these bulky waters, then you could go for fire/ground tera blast

desert bridge
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desert bridge
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every time archaludon charges up ele shot and ohkos my enamorus

spiral fable
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wait nvm i had the old rmt open for some reason

spiral fable
novel lion
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Ezpz

spiral fable
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dont do that

desert bridge
novel lion
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Tera ground zyreum

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Ezpz

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But honestly me personally, I'd just swap ogerpon or Zama for a special attacker

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Or even mixed speed booster val

spiral fable
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Volc is always a decent stop gap to arch

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dapper imp
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Stall team with gastrodon as the star mon

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I was wondering, how could I counter the rain spam going on around ou rn?

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And I found that gastrodon is actually a p good mon vs rain, counters both flip turn and volt switch, water immunity, decent check vs archaludon

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clodsire + dodonzo i feel are mandatory for stall teams, gliscor is there for overall utility, hydrapple is a grass switch-in, and i didn't know who to put for 6th mon but I chose clefable to be able to handle kyreum with sticky barb + trick for some shenanigans vs bulkier teams

spiral fable
# dapper imp https://pokepast.es/d5f4c690e3a46ae9

So this team really doesn’t work
Stall always needs Blissey on it, gastrodon really doesn’t help you much(clod already walls rain), cm clef doesn’t work on stall and especially not trick sticky barb, and you’re honestly just better going back to the stall team you took this skeleton from

dapper imp
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Damn :/

dapper imp
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worth a try tho

dapper imp
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wait so how did the hydrapple stall team work out then

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if most people would consider putting poison sting on clodsire to be outlandish

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and hydrapple on stall

spiral fable
dapper imp
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oh damn

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cg?

spiral fable
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current gen

dapper imp
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oh

foggy portal
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HALP

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sombody HALP

dapper imp
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how am i ever going to build a team that matches their level then...

foggy portal
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ahhh forget it

dapper imp
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if i actually want to win shit i gotta know the meta like the back of my hand right

spiral fable
dapper imp
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oh

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so my gastrodon stall team is fine then if im content on staying in low-mid ladder then?

spiral fable
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but stall is like, the worst archetype to try building because it's far more restrictive than any other style

dapper imp
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oh

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thats fair

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i think its fun getting outside the archetype of kingambit/tusk/gholdendo/whatever mon is used for the 1000th time sometimes

spiral fable
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sure, but try your hand at balance/bulky offense instead, they're a lot easier to mess around with

dapper imp
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balance youre using more defensive mons than bo right?

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like you can throw in a stall mon if you want to

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while still having offensive threats

spiral fable
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unless it's a pivot mon/gliscor, stall mons are generally massive momentum sinks that are only needed on extremely fat teams or when the metagame is oppressively offensive

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delicate pike
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Wait

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I did a silly

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I forgot some EVs

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Ok there i fixed it

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Lets all pretend like it was this the whole time

umbral adder
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thinking of putting bolt in here but idk

knotty ginkgo
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https://pokepast.es/8013012a26fd870f will this work? I want it to be a Balance team that doesn't use the same Meow/Weav structure of most balances
Willing to change any mon besides Garchomp and Clef

delicate pike
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its really funny

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(im not good at this game dont actually listen to me)

bronze bridge
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Heyo, i didn't played showdown for a while and now i returned and create this team: https://pokepast.es/d4e8f4705299d982
Is there anything to change like movesets, tera type or items.
Besides Articuno. I know that he is bad choise for rain team when his brother zapdos exist, but i really really want to use this ice chicken. Besides i think he can kinda works here anyway, thanks to hurricane in rain, less damage from fire types, and hiting pretty good with weather ball in rain and if needed more damage from tera watet

rose hinge
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Darkai is the focus

bleak burrow
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pls help me

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i rly dont know how to build ou teams

stone dagger
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consiudering swapping ursaluna for iron treads

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spiral fable
# umbral adder https://pokepast.es/f2b76b884ec21ea9

This team has a few flaws
Val on rain isn’t really necessary since you have ample speed control in skewda, and it doesn’t offer much
Steel beam on treads is a waste, keeping it alive for a potential switch in/sac/spin later is always useful
Weavile similarly has no place, when you already have a far stronger physical attacker(skewda) and there another dark type far better on rain(gambit)
Just use the rain sample, it’s considered the standard for a really good reason, and if you’re deviating you should at most be replacing a few rain threats with other similar threats, not these mons

https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b

pulsar geyser
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"just use a sample team lol" is a crazy rate

spiral fable
# bronze bridge Heyo, i didn't played showdown for a while and now i returned and create this te...

Frankly, rain articuno is a massive liability, not only slowing down the rest of the team with its subpar offenses, but providing switch ins to rain checks like gking or kyurem, and giving your opponent a free mon to set up on. If you’re dead set on running it, I cannot stop you, but it will be an active liability on your team.

As for the rest of your team
Pelipper prefers surf just so it can use it outside of rain, and phys def over spdef
Ogerpon wellspring is pretty outclassed on rain rn, doesn’t offer much(if you want a mon to deal with opposing rain bolt is right there, and skewda takes the strong physical attacker slot)
If you’re running skewda you should only run either band or mystic water, life orb allows it to accumulate unnecessary chip and pushes it within revenge killing range, always run Tera water(Tera ghost offers you nothing anyways), and you don’t need poison jab when cc hits all rain checks except clod hard enough, drop it for aqua jet
Treads is fine but you should replace smart strike for volt switch
You need arch on your team, and I would recommend dropping wake or articuno for it: arch provides a way for rain to blow past all checks except amnesia clod(who still gets beat by eq sets)
Wake is alright but honestly if you want a special breaker I would recommend you use bolt, who has freedom of moveslots with booster sets + priority to hit other rain threats

https://pokepast.es/5a65596dcdbb624b
This sample set contains all the changes I would’ve suggested, and I heavily recommend you run it

spiral fable
random wolf
pulsar geyser
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idk if ur a rater or not but your job as a rater is to do what you did but instead of providing a sample team providing ideas to better their team

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i dont personally like the rain sample, people are overprepping for that exact rain now. like using stuff like specs torn

spiral fable
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No one is using specs torn

pulsar geyser
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mimikyu stardust legit brought it to spl

spiral fable
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And that doesn’t even prep for rain it gets blown up by skewda and arch

spiral fable
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While it is a good landscape to judge the general shape of a tier specific cteam sets will never catch on in general ou because they were brought specifically for a certain matchup

pulsar geyser
random wolf
spiral fable
spiral fable
pulsar geyser
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what you said about val and weavile are valid complaints, tho idk if val is. sd liquidation is a real set over spirit break on rain and hits extremely hard with tera water

spiral fable
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Or, hear me out.
Just use skewda

pulsar geyser
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u can use skewda and val

spiral fable
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No reason to

pulsar geyser
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sure there is, valiant can weaken ogerpon and volcanion for skewda to cleanly spam flip turn or liquidation

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CTC brought peli bolt treads arch val skewda to SPL as well

spiral fable
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Anyways, if you don’t like the rates being given, that’s fine, but do not come in here and be belligerent.

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Especially if your reasons are wildly misinformed

pulsar geyser
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they are not wildly misinformed, i think you have a very one dimensional way of teambuilding

spiral fable
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Then you can go elsewhere to ask for rates if you don’t like how I rate

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

pulsar geyser
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definitely, nothing personal i just dont know if you have a great view of this meta rn if u dont know about specs torn and sd valiant liquidation being legit threats on rain and its pretty bold of you to call me misinformed

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again even if its similar to a sample team instead of belittling the team and saying "just use this sample lol its standard" as a rater you should be pointing out flaws in the team and suggesting set changes for that

spiral fable
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If you refuse to read any of the rates where I clearly point out the flaws of each team and reasons behind them, you are free to, but do not come in this channel and complain about me suggesting a sample team instead.

pulsar geyser
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i mean, i can critique your rate too as i dont agree fundamentally with some of the points you make. but can take it to dms if you're curious, youre the rater so

random wolf
pulsar geyser
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I don't think sending a sample is an effective way of rating a team as it's teaching the player nothing about teambuilding. Why is Weavile a bad choice on rain? I don't think Val is a bad choice either and dismissing that as just plain bad IMO is not a good way of rating teams as it gives the player a flawed perception

spiral fable
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Ok it’s clearly you didn’t read my post at all

pulsar geyser
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You said why weavile is a bad choice but you didn't explain how to replace it, you just sent a sample

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I did multiple times

spiral fable
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If you continue to be belligerent while refusing to even read the post first you will be booted from this channel

random wolf
pulsar geyser
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absolutely not

random wolf
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Writing paragraphs on how each mon absolutely sucks

spiral fable
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How to replace it:
Remove Weavile
Put on gambit

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Wow

random wolf
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Like this is fine enough, and if they don't understand, they can always ask to expand

Weavile similarly has no place, when you already have a far stronger physical attacker(skewda) and there another dark type far better on rain(gambit)

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I could tell you to replace it with Gambit and Val with Bolt but I could also send you the sample

Kind of gets the same thing across

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The best teacher for teambuilding imo is straight up playing with a good team

spiral fable
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Trust me: it is FAR easier to simply swap a few moves around and change a few Tera types and keep your team the same way. But I’m supposed to give you the best rate I can.

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And frankly for 90% of rain teams that rate will boil down to “use this sample”

random wolf
pulsar geyser
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the weavile line isnt bad. the valiant one is just fundamentally wrong imo (bc imo valiant is a fine fit on rain with a set change). there are more options on rain than just the standard triple steel sample and dismissing the rate by saying "just use standard" is bad imo.

spiral fable
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What does valiant bring to the team.

celest dust
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I think this has run its course

pulsar geyser
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i already explained what sd valiant with liquidation does

sly mauve
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been playing OU for like a week, this team decent?

Screenshot_2024-02-07_9.47.41_PM.png
celest dust
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We’re just talking past each other now, drop it

spiral fable
sly mauve
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yeah sure

spiral fable
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/fd0dd0b64186935e

Really not the biggest fan of Lokix on ho(if you really want to use him I would recommend the band to provide priority and immediate power on some balance/bo team)
Most of this team just doesn’t fit ho in general, especially spikes ho. Meow isn’t a ho mon(no way of boosting up and sweeping), and while gliscor with sd agility can work on some screens ho, it’s spikes set definitely doesn’t work.

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If you want me to salvage this I can try, but I’ll have to drop 3 mons for it(including lokix), and if you want me to build a team to fit lokix I’d probably have to drop 4 mons

sly mauve
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ahh ok
is it ok if i ask you to do both?

spiral fable
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Can you pick one please

sly mauve
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then probably the team with lokix

foggy portal
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how can I make a

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dragapult voltturn team

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im stumped

ruby crest
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That question is better asked in #comp-general as this thread is for rating teams

velvet path
foggy portal
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Okay heres my attempt at a team

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I feel like it has a crippling weakness to electric tho

spiral fable
# rose hinge https://pokepast.es/8cd13f40e4143874

This is so close to a ho team why not just go full into it
Drop rillaboom for ribombee(i'm going webs to best use darkrai, thought glimmora/deo s is perfectly fine as well)
Drop hatterene for dark glasses offensive gambit tera dark
Drop Enamorus for Iron Defense Body Press Sub Zamazenta with lefties, and coverage of your choice(heavy slam/crunch)
Drop Valiant for air balloon ghold with psyshock, full offensive evs

ruby crest
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Faya me thinks u just reworked his entire team

spiral fable
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ah

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well people complain when i sample so

spiral fable
# stone dagger https://pokepast.es/a08889a1dd8575f6

So this webs team doesn't really work
Latias doesn't care for webs and would much prefer to be on screens
Ghold is fine but scarf ghold is a waste
Dnite doesn't really work on ho in general, but would once again prefer to be on screens, especially since it already have priority
Banded mons don't work on ho in general but Iron Hands is way too slow(even at -1 to most mons) to be used on webs
Same with ursaluna
I would recommend either scrapping this or pivoting to a screens team(even then you still have to drop ghold dnite and hands, though you can keep ursaluna)
If you want to run screens run atales with ddance kyurem, and i recommend volc + serp

spiral fable
# bleak burrow https://pokepast.es/b2e530cb425bdae9

Honestly, I spent a long time trying to fix this team, but there's just too much wrong. Vest hamurott isn't good, defog corv isn't very reliable as your only means of control and rmoon can't switch in more than once since it wastes proto booster but you want to ideally have the opportunity to switch in a few times, dirge doesn't really fit here(if you want a fat unaware mon that can set up dozo's probably your best bet), banded meow is alright but there's better breakers out there(specs kyurem synergizes really well with gking), and you have no reliable water resists without teraing to deal with rain.

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It was an alright structure but just has too many holes to salvage, I would recommend using a sample team for now.

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!gen9ousamples

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delicate pike
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Please go on, i did not want to interrupt your cooking!

spiral fable
# sly mauve then probably the team with lokix

I'm going to be honest this was a lot harder than I thought, but you can try this modified sample team I ended up using(replacing meow with lokix, theoretically they should play similar enough to not suffer too much loss), https://pokepast.es/2559b3d0ccf3427f, tera bug for stronger first impressions, though you could also pick tera water to not insta fold to volc, or tera fighting to bust arch/gambit, etc

spiral fable
# delicate pike https://pokepast.es/2e01b60d0c131b00

So the mons on this team can theoretically work but the sets are really weird
Torn T isn't very good in OU rn, and vest essentially nullifies regenerator due to the prevelance of hazards in the tier
Unaware clef isn't good, completely destroyed by gliscor
Make kyurem tera ice
Gking should never be made offensive, it's a defensive spdef pivot, swap it for the boots chilly reception set
What you could do is swap clef to the mguard rocks set, give gliscor toxic over uturn and make it phys def, drop tusk for gambit for some good priority, and drop torn t for volc as a spattack threat that can clean lategame and doesn't have to worry about hazards
Rain might be an issue for this team with a lack of reliable resists, so make sure you're looking for opportunities to get kyurem in safely(usually through chilly on gking) to force a kill with ice beam

fierce root
celest dust
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Dude, stop it

foggy portal
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Okay I changed it

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actually forget it

rose hinge
spiral fable
rose hinge
spiral fable
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You can swap zam for rmoon if you want, though I'm going to be honest your rain matchup is just going to be trading 1 for 1 until you can break through

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Though you shouldn't be struggling that much with both gambit and bolt, what's giving you issues?

rose hinge
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treads and archaludon

spiral fable
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treads is pretty annoying but you can try to set up on it with tera flying rmoon/id zamazenta

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you dont have to get webs up: you can lead with another mon into rain

rose hinge
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ik i normally lead bolt into rains

spiral fable
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nah

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keep bolt in the back

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leading bolt just wastes booster cuz they go treads and then you cant do anything

rose hinge
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oh true

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archaludon is really scary though

spiral fable
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yeah, but with both id zama and np ghold you should be able to chip it sufficiently enough

bleak burrow
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its 2 am rn

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i am sleep deprived

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but i am cooking rn

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cloud blade
# bleak burrow https://pokepast.es/0a9a02715fae1e2f

Quick tip, freeze dry is usually better then tblast electric, it lets you pick other stuff, like tera fire, allowing you to literally solo your sun matchup, or a blanket defensive one like fairy, and it hits dozo better cuz of the massive spatk stat on kyruem even after a minus nature

bleak burrow
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ok

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Any thoughts on my oger

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?

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im not rly sure what mon fits the slot

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ik that my set is kinda wierd

cloud blade
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Honestly the whole team is kinda all over the place, you have a bunch of breakers running balance sets

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Like oger and scizor do better as breakers or win cons

bleak burrow
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yea its kind of wacky

cloud blade
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Theres a samplr

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I reccomend

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Just check the ou samples

bleak burrow
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soo about scisor

cloud blade
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For the gking kyruem team

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And build off of that one

bleak burrow
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ok

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i thought building a team with no sample team to start with would kinda improve my teambuilding skills

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its very different from vgc

cloud blade
bleak burrow
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its just a bit too hard to know which mon does what and why its on the team

spiral fable
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The meta rn is pretty turbulent, with an arch suspect going on rn, and it's a lot better to use a well established team first to learn the roles each mon can play on a team and what styles they fit on before going off and building your own

foggy portal
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how do i make this better

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it should have a specially defensive mon right

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quaint swan
fierce basin
# foggy portal https://pokepast.es/5501e53bd443c6a8

Scrap it, this team is nonsensical and loses to everything, can't fix it without changing at least half the team. I've clicked this a couple times the past few days trying to reverse engineer whatever you were going for but it looks like 6 randomly selected mons. No shadow ball switchin, iron valiant kills 6 can't even speed tie it w your own cause it's walled, gliscor spikes on everything/beats 5, volc wins off rip if you don't switch in val immediately to encore or if booster is already used, scarf glimmora is not real as stuff like booster tusk still just comes in and outspeeds you idk what scarf glimm is doing. I'd recommend picking up a sample team and hitting the ladder because as you play you figure out why certain stuff is ran https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/ good luck
But to answer your question yeah, your team labeled balance should probably have a spdef mon on it for your next attempt. I'd recommend glowking in current meta because of chilly disrupting the weathers that are all over ladder

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spiral fable
# quaint swan https://pokepast.es/2aba56d02255a7a1

I don't get why you stacked 4 set up sweepers then tried to suddenly pivot to bulky offense, just dedicate fully to HO
Drop Meow and Gliscor, meow isn't a good fit for these heavily offensive teams while gliscor fits on bulkier and slower playstyles
Swap on Glimmora and offensive kingambit with dark glasses
Switch Tusk to a speed booster set

velvet path
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latent gyro
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its pretty alright

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idrk the meta so

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@spiral fable

quick acorn
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da team that got me to 1500

gleaming zephyr
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https://pokepast.es/acdcdc8ad31280ef
My first time playing anything but randbats. I really like unburden sweepers so tried to make a grassy terrain HO team.
Am stuck in the 1400s.
Are there any glaring issues with this team?
IVs/nature on Heatran and Hat were pretty much chosen at random, Heatran does a lot most games, Hatterene not so much.
I think specs pult and booster Val fulfil similar roles, so bringing both doesnt really do much for me(?) Anyway most games Pult saves me multiple times while Val cheers from the sidelines so if anything I would prefer to ditch it for something different.