[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[spiral fable]

?

[sinful pond]

its a glass cannon

[west harbor]

if someone sees wake (or volc even) on a rain team they’re gonna assume it’s specs or some other really offensive set

so going to pex is gonna be the play over blissey anyway

[sinful pond]

the amoongus sounds like a pretty solid idea actually

[spiral fable]

Also stall blissey runs tera water so all you're doing is forcing it to tera

[sinful pond]

over corv

plus moonblast swapin against enamorus

[west harbor]

and better val mu

it’s been a staple on rain for a while, you can try eject button as well if you want

[strong sonnet]

Rate the team? https://pokepast.es/010b9098ede8ed67

[forest magnet]

@cloud gull

u got it?

[cloud gull]

yo pretty cool team , a few suggestions I would give is changing Zama to heavy duty boots , band Zama is not that great imo as it can be very easily played around
Changing dondozo to boots as u don't have reliable removal and with spikes up dondozo won't check common stuff like gambit etc

Also fill the EVs on clef

U can also go thunder>thunderbolt on clef but it's ur choice

[strong sonnet]

Thank you!

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/cdfc57a0e070bcd7

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

tbh just run the grassy "sample" team

[brisk cedar]

This has already been sent in before

[forest magnet]

@brisk cedar i got it

[sly mauve]

idk the team isn't working for me

[forest magnet]

which one? is it the KD one?

[sly mauve]

the rillaboom one I sent

[forest magnet]

I would reccomend using the link I send below. This is the "definitive" Grassy Terrain team. Ofc you can make some mods, but this team its pretty much all you need. There are multiple versions of this team in the RMT, so you can choose which one you want.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/grassy-terrain-overload-offence-10x-gliscor-reqs.3731078/

Read the RMT too, it gives a good idea on what to do with the team

[sly mauve]

I don't really wanna use a sample team
it feels too cheap

[forest magnet]

This isn't even a sample team, and using others teams are a great way to learn whats good. The thing is that we all have to start somewhere. If ur able to pick some knowledge from these other teams, you will then become able to build your own good teams.

Take steps, sure it might feel bad on ur ego, but trust me, its the way to progress

[random wolf]

Your team is already similar to it and the choices made are more optimal
If you're going to ask for feedback, you'll probably just receive the same changes to replicate said team

[sly mauve]

idk

imma just make a new team instead

or actually idk

team making sucks

[forest magnet]

this is why samples exist, to give you ideas on what to build or so u can use a good team

[sly mauve]

well, I don't really wanna use someone else's team, it feels wrong

[forest magnet]

in a moral sense?

or like its on u, ur not creative

[sly mauve]

yeh

[forest magnet]

huh

[sly mauve]

actually, even If I do create a original team, I might run into someone that happens to use the same team as me

so know what, GT teams stink, imma go stall or webs ig

[sly mauve]

I know

[forest magnet]

i wasn't talking about you

i mean how you feel

[sly mauve]

idk

[sly mauve]

wait a filthy second, Garchomp has Scale Shot?

I have a idea for a team now

[eager salmon]

https://pokepast.es/46848ddc27600620 (ignore the ubers rating)

[brisk cedar]

This tram isn't competitively viable

[west harbor]

hey, i’d recommend you trying out an ou sample team to get a feel for the metagame rn https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

torterra and cetitan aren’t really ou viable at all, and the sets aren’t ideal either, and the rest of the team seems to be pretty passive apart from heatran with no real way to make any progress

[brisk cedar]

https://pokepast.es/0e6901cc0d96cd76

https://pokepast.es/02b21ddcaed05b4d

These are the stall discords sample teams for gen 9, stall is very centralized and there isn't as much room for experimentation as other styles

[sly mauve]

yo I made another OU team to rate #1000th
https://pokepast.es/879a46d2e1394653

[west harbor]

webs doesn’t really need a scarfer so you could benefit from going cm booster valiant over enam which gives even higher speed but with the ability to switch moves

being choice locked on hyper offense is difficult because you get forced out and have nothing thqt can take hits

also if you’re going acro sneasler you want tera flying bc dark doesn’t rly do anything, if you want the lash out set that can hit ghold and pult then dark is better

[sly mauve]

is that all that needs changing?

[west harbor]

i feel like webs is pretty solved rn with rmts (especially matte’s) but it didn’t seem like you were open to that

[frozen cedar]

https://pokepast.es/2de98607b4e609e7 rate team

[spiral fable]

this iisn't doubles ou

[brisk cedar]

I'm not experienced in doubles but I'm pretty sure this team sucks

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/d260af4a75acc21e

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud gull]

New OU RMT @green citrus

[forest magnet]

Use this https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/grassy-terrain-overload-offence-10x-gliscor-reqs.3731078/

[forest magnet]

lol why ping scarlet

[cloud gull]

@green citrus I won't notify u again for another 6 mins

[green citrus]

Vk is a big fan of my work

[forest magnet]

lol

[green citrus]

Which is why he should draft le in oupl

[brisk cedar]

draft me as your sv slot trust

[upper maple]

Ok

[forest magnet]

bud didn't even do tryouts...

[upper maple]

Anything i should change on the team for the Gliscor ban or nah

[forest magnet]

nah

tbh gliscor made this team better

bc zama stresses less now

[brisk cedar]

Nah more zaps and molts now

due to scor ban

Zama gets +6 on scor with tera steel

Team is still amazing though

[upper maple]

Yk what imma keep using the team i made

[forest magnet]

tbh more zap then molt

[upper maple]

And improve it along the way ig

[forest magnet]

ppl making their zapdos slower and bulkier

[upper maple]

Anything i should change on this currently

[brisk cedar]

I'd go tusk tera poison, sneasler and heatran over iron moth and enamorus

[cloud gull]

Remove pon imk

imo*

rarely provides much to grassy terrain teams

[forest magnet]

I would suggest swapping Scarf Enam for smtn else, it doesn't abuse terrain at all and still gets outsped by Sneasler so its unviable speed control. Snealser over oger (just use standard grassy seed set), heatran over moth.

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/a0a576713412f2d9
Now i need to find something to replace enam

A fighting resist prob

[cloud gull]

enam is fine , that team looks good just test it on the ladder

Maybe make tran baloon , ur choice tho

[west harbor]

would also recommend a more defensive tera on gambit (fairy/flying) because dark is a ho thing and even then i think it’s not as good as a defensive tera. i’d go leftovers too bc it synergises well with terrain

go dire claw > gunk shot on sneasler too, it’s weaker but that move is absurd and wins you games you shouldn’t with sleep

with tusk, you don’t need spin on that set because spin on bu is only for the +1 speed but you already have booster speed so you can have a butter attack there (knock or cc)

[cloud gull]

If he changes to a defensive tera he has a negative stall mu tho

actually he has a tran , switching to a defensive tera is not that bad

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/2be0c29aebb3dcdb
Brand new to comp pokemon, this is my HyperOffense team.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

this is mine

[spiral fable]

I would urecommend using a sample team if you're new to comp: most of these mons don't work
Azumarill isn't good in OU right now, neither is Meow
Furthermore, the sets you are running on meow, dragapult, garchomp, and gambit don't work for a HO team
Garchomp isn't a good suicide lead, and there's much better ones available(ie glimmora)
Gambit usually never runs life orb, and you're missing kowtow and swords dance, two crucial moves to gambit
Landorus isn't a good HO mon in general
You dont want to run choiced mons on HO, but especially for pult shadow ball is always a better pick than night shade
Same for meow, and don't run foul play on it
Here's a link to the sample teams

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[elfin relic]

https://pokepast.es/d8bc87b93df25055
could somebody help? im trying to make HO with ceruledge

[west harbor]

https://pokepast.es/e2c4d78e3a04013c
ceruledge is best with weak armor sash instead of lo - it’s a lot more reliable at setting up especially with webs

ribombee should be tera ghost to spinblock - bug doesn’t do anything really. i made ghold 3 attacks but you can keep recover if you wanna, but keep tera fairy imo to give you a gambit resist. made gambit glasses > balloon bc if you tera your item is now completely useless

gren is pretty much outclassed by mana as an offensive special water so i went with it in that slot - this set is really broken rn. instead of av tusk i made it booster bu to actually fit on the HO style and not be a momentum sink, but you can experiment with that slot a bit (wellspring could work)

if you wanna use webs in general, you can try matte’s rmt as well - its not ceruledge but it basically solves the playstyle so i’d have a go with it https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jealousy-got-reqs-three-times-peaked-1889-no-50.3730667/

[elfin relic]

hm well you can replace cerucledge if its best, is matte the best web HO?

[west harbor]

yea i’d say so

you can try the ceruledge version and experiment with that if you wanna, it’s pretty vulnerable to prio + hazards tho which sucks

[elfin relic]

yeah that sucks he has my favourite design in sv so i thought I could give him a shot, if not him who should i put?

[west harbor]

i think if you wanna drop ceruledge you’d be best just going with the rmt i linked

any suggestions would jsut bring your team closer and closer to that because webs is super linear

[elfin relic]

ah well i only used webs because i thought ceruledge is too slow

[west harbor]

i’d say it is yea, you can def experiment with it

i just gave you the rmt as another more consistent webs option

[elfin relic]

what are the manaphy evs do?

[forest magnet]

hp evs is just for bulk, the def evs are for setting up acid armor (vs rillaboom etc...) and the speed is for hitting 260 speed which outspeeds lots of the defensive walls.

[weak apex]

https://pokepast.es/37df9a16b75c613a

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[weak apex]

Omg

Jesus thats a lot of ppl

Uh pls check

Is it that bad??

[west harbor]

hey, i’d recommend you try out a sample team here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

the sets on your team aren’t really ideal and it’s not really clear what kind of playstyle you’re going for either. sinistcha also isn’t ou viable

[weak apex]

THEN WHY DID IT FUCKIN APPEAR AS RECOMMENDED

[west harbor]

wdym?

[weak apex]

Ima blow up

[west harbor]

if you mean the ev spreads, ps auto guesses them from the moves you pick

the moves themselves aren’t really ideal and ps doesn’t auto suggest those

[weak apex]

I searched grass type

And it was the recommended

[west harbor]

where did you search?

outside resources probably aren’t great for smogon tiers because it’s different to say vgc for example

if you want to learn a smogon tier, you’re best using smogon’s resources like sample teams

sample teams essentially give you something metagame viable to use and play around with while you learn the metagame and see what kind of mons and sets are used here

[weak apex]

These samples are useless

No counter whatsoever to status

[fervent bluff]

wdym

[deft flame]

If you’re having issues with status that’s not usually something wrong with the team

[weak apex]

They use one status moves, and boom cant do shit, all the moves do minimal damage and i get oneshot

[celest dust]

Respectfully, the sample teams are heavily vetted and generally high quality

If you don’t want to use them that’s fine, no one is making you, but when teams are unviable we refer to the samples to get an idea of what’s good in the metagame

[weak apex]

Ok i see

[indigo onyx]

https://pokepast.es/55405a479b36d52b

[west harbor]

it seems like you’re going for a fat balance here but relying on specs thund as the only way to make any progress doesn’t seem ideal because it’s pretty niche as is and is forced out by a lot of faster stuff

it kinda feels like you’re trying to make something similar to that xavgb sample https://pokepast.es/297addca543a26d9 but post gliscor - that kind of team is probably going to be less successful without spikes and the most broken mon in the tier

https://pokepast.es/36620201bc94b7f0
i’d recommend trying a more consistent breaker like pult over thund, you can go specs or you can go boots wisp hex if you want to add another status user to the team

cinderace + heatran are pretty redundant defensively, and with pult you now have speed on a diff mon so i’d replace cinderace for tusk to give you a ground type + a knock user which teams like this benefit from. you could potentially try ting-lu there for spikes but it makes you a lot more passive so up to you. i also made heatran into a magma storm + taunt trapper to get more utility out of it

with spin tusk you could also try glowking over weezing as a more reliable pivot but up to you

if you did wanna use specs thund you can try out this rmt if you want, completely different style but it’s had some success https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/alomomola-volt-turn-balance-peaked-1-2038-ft-thundurus-therian.3729417/

[silk hamlet]

Lowkey think this team still works if you chomp>glisc and alo>milo

[west harbor]

yea you probably could but chomp doesn’t really check anything

it gets you spikes and dies while gliscor just sat there forever

wish would help ig but you still don’t have close to the same utility

[silk hamlet]

It works but isnt nearly as good

[indigo onyx]

after some plays i was thinking on putting dragapult, and great tusk thank you for ur help

[worthy bane]

https://pokepast.es/6ad6eb904a9ff3e5

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worthy bane]

webs offense, been having a LOT of trouble with bulky balance/stall and getting revenge killed easily

[spiral fable]

webs is kinda solved rn

[worthy bane]

notable problems are booster spe moth, opposing waterpons

oh they are? people tellin me theyre still viable

are the other options just veil and terrain

[spiral fable]

o

no i meant matte basically made the best webs team in the current meta

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jealousy-got-reqs-three-times-peaked-1889-no-50.3730667/

[worthy bane]

ohh

[spiral fable]

webs is still really good

matte just made a really good webs team that's hard to top

[worthy bane]

Had the exact Pokémon different movesets though

[fierce basin]

the 6 look fine, but I think sunny day is a wasted slot on ribombee when you could have skill swap or stun spore, especially cause if you sunny day youre making your waters less effective if those are what you have to send out. You'd get much more mileage out of using really any different move. if youre having trouble with moth you could change your tera on tusk to poison to flip type matchup on gleam/energy ball. In general I think a good change is bulk up over close combat. also without grassy terrain I'd probably make your manaphy special attack invest instead of hp invest, that should help with your matchup into bulky balance/stall. If you struggle w dozo you can make the manaphy grass knot over energy ball for extra power into the big fat guys. However I don't think you should have much trouble with moth if you keep webs up since you have 2 waters
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/96572972b9459cb6
other options: bulkier ghold spread or 3 attack plot w psyshock
hope this helps glhf

[worthy bane]

Thanks! I mostly kept sunny day for veil but those teams seem to be becoming less common

[fierce basin]

oh I see LOL I thought you were trying to save your booster on tusk or something

yeah veil fell off a bit idt you have to worry about it to that extreme

[warm sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/3185b70051707d30 I'm doing well with this team but I keep losing to rain teams lol

[forest magnet]

This is doubles ou, please go to the right channel. This is SV OU

[forest magnet]

Hey this team is really all over the place. I would suggest using a sample team. I'll link it below, feel free to ask any questions regarding the samples.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[austere field]

https://pokepast.es/6609a573a8cf1f76

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/7de713adee93cf1d

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud blade]

First things first, dont go double ground, triple dark, and double steel

Fighting+dark hits your entire team outside of lando, who dies to any ice move, so your team can lose matchups and get swept by a single mon consistently

Switch off lu and/or samu, if you want lu hazard stack, remove samu, add spikes over eq, and make your samu something like a booster val. Personally i’d reccomend making the lando not scarf, and keeping the samu, and then switching the lu for valiant, but thats just my opinion. You could also go for a zapdos if you wanna stay more defensively oriented but also not always lose to rain

Also if u have no removal i would go lum gambit (offensive sample) or boots gambit (lost popularity with gliscor gone but still good on bootspam structures i think), this might not be helpful but this one is just my personal opinion

[spiral fable]

Veti you wanna take this or

[brisk cedar]

Run spikes over rocks,* never drop eq on ting unless you want another ground move because of gterrain

Edit: ting doesn't get other ground moves lol never drop eq

[cloud blade]

Oh ye sorry im dumb my head is still in ubers with that lu set, ye ou ting does run eq

Also about the type analysis, speed booster tusk with knockoff ice spinner and cc beats the team… solo, and isnt uncommon, it was just the first thing I noticed tbh

[spiral fable]

Also type analysis is kinda worthless in current gen ngl none of his issues lie with “too many dark types”

[brisk cedar]

I'd run tera fly or fire on gambit also, tera fairy isn't as good with rillaboom if you aren't running tera blast anymore

[spiral fable]

Tera flying gambit my beloved

[spiral fable]

I have not seen speed booster tusk with spinner in a hot minute since the gliscor ban, especially since that means it’s either dropping spin or ground coverage, which no tusk does

[austere field]

Any advice for this team

Whenever the other rmt is done

[cloud blade]

Fair but then knock off cc booster speed valiant is still quite funny guy right now

Lando dead=your team loses to this goober

[spiral fable]

In a tier with tera that’s not really that big of a problem and his problem with samu isn’t that it’s overlapping types it’s that it’s job is completely outdone by just slotting spikes on ting lu

[velvet path]

what do i replace samu with

[spiral fable]

Swap lando to the utility set slot spikes on lu over rocks and then slot on specs pult you need immediate power and more spattackers anyways

[cloud blade]

Fair it just wastes a team slot by having double scarf+double hazard setters

[velvet path]

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Impish Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Grass Knot

is that good for lando

[spiral fable]

Chestnaught is really bad in ou rn, no reliable hazard removal, scarf ghold isn’t good anymore, dozo is too passive for this team imo, maus is not a good pick for your only set up sweeper
I would run a sample team for now

[spiral fable]

Yeah looks good

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[forest magnet]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sneasler-is-banned-from-sv-ou.3731467/

Sneasler is banned from OU! Keep this in mind when building teams.

[livid nacelle]

@fierce basin The funny team u gave me is dead now plse help

[buoyant prawn]

https://pokepast.es/6c17720150462a94 now that sneasler is banned

[spiral fable]

Air Balloon Ghold is HDB ghold but fancier
Hamurott is bad on ho outside of suicide lead slot(and it's still kinda bad there ngl)
Sub pult isn't good for ho
Matte has a really good webs team you can use: frankly any advice i would give would just push you towards that team
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jealousy-got-reqs-three-times-peaked-1889-no-50.3730667/

[buoyant prawn]

ok

[supple flame]

https://pokepast.es/ece0ee6764a62062
Opinions?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brisk cedar]

I'll take this

https://pokepast.es/7b797a39bc43cf0f

I made Kingambit Tera Grass because it's a cool set that gives you grass, ground and water resist at the same time, pretty cool and helps out with ogerpon wellspring which rain struggles with

Added Basculegion because rain wants swift swimmers, nukes stuff with wave crash

Added Ogerpon Wellspring for encore support to deal with stuff like Manaphy and Kingambit, you could also go with a hurricane user or manaphy here

Legion is mystic water because locking into water moves in ogerpon wellspring meta sucks, and this also allows you to flip turn and aqua jet more instead of swapping out because of a choice lock. Also lures stuff that think they can stay in

[fierce basin]

Sorry but it's hard to fix a funny team so easily when smth gets banned cause it generally isn't as simple as just switching out a mon. The meta can shift pretty drastically

[supple flame]

Ok lemme try it

[supple flame]

Would manaphy work better? I can set up with tail glow

[forest magnet]

manaphy's slower speed tier is why its not here.

[supple flame]

Maybe i could be an asshole and use tail glow and baton pass to greninja?

[forest magnet]

baton pass is banned in ou

[supple flame]

Because im feeling cute today ig

[supple flame]

Oh

Forget manaphy

[honest egret]

https://pokepast.es/47987e14886bcb43 this team has been pretty good for me, any suggestions?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[livid nacelle]

K sorry

[spiral fable]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1994360502
the team has been rated

[cloud gull]

This looks fire , my only suggestion would be to make tusk offensive aka max atk max speed

also maybe lefties on tran

[fierce basin]

Oh yeah I was looking at this earlier (meant to go to my computer to reply to the team) and also came to the same conclusion that the tusk should be offensive, but I thought maybe speed HP w bulk up. Balloon tran also prob not necessary yeah

[edgy obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/4bb80f330c4cfff4

I was trying to build a team around Thundurus. I used some mons from my other teams (Hatterene and Gholdengo)

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Spidge you got this

[fierce basin]

oh ok

[fierce basin]

hello
imo if you're gonna run tera blast on thundurus youre better off with tera flying than ice
for suicide lead pult you can go cursed body if you want, since it seems like your lead I don't think you'll have to hit anything thats behind a sub
I rly rly like 108 speed on hatt (youre at 107) so im putting on a bit more speed for the toxapexs that try to invest a little bit and the other stuff that creeps said pexs
Personally I'm a nonbeliever in trailblaze/knock ogerpon and would make it encore/power whip or horn leech, but I guess it's preference. swapping it to encore for you to try out
your ghold is tera fight with no fighting move. idk if you're super weak to garg with a draining kiss hatt, but I do think garg is better than it once was so cloak isnt a bad option if you were to use ghold, but You also have no hazards to keep up with said ghold. With this in mind, I would probably make it a kingambit so you have a ghost resist and the whole team doesn't get shadowballed to death.
Love the tusk spread and think it fits here for sure, the only change I'd make to this would be ice spinner over cc for the mamoswine larp (better overall coverage)
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/0280458664df3c4c
other options:
knock off on thundurus over tbolt
stored power over psyshock on hatt
bulkier gambit spread
I honestly thought about trying to slot cinderace in over thundurus since you have no hazards, but the team is named thundurus OU (v1) so I figured you wanted to keep it. may be worth some consideration though
I hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[edgy obsidian]

Thanks, man! I'll try it in a bit

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/e6301ab586429496

[viral sable]

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[forest magnet]

got it

[forest magnet]

wow this looks pgood!

[umbral adder]

i still feel like its off

like i want a better answer to hsamu

was thinking of going bootspam

[forest magnet]

k

[forest magnet]

tbh, mola deals w samu, burns it then zama kills it

nvm zama eats samu alive

[umbral adder]

should i go boots on tusk and or gambit tho

[forest magnet]

i would just suggest making tusk boots for easier hazard removal (no speed drop from webs + chip from hazards)

[umbral adder]

was also thinking maybe a tb on gambit

[forest magnet]

lemme get u some changes sorry

[forest magnet]

whats tb?

[umbral adder]

tera blast

[forest magnet]

@umbral adder btw whats the speed evs on gambit 4

[umbral adder]

outspeed blissey

so not status can get off

[forest magnet]

alr will keep it

[umbral adder]

yeah if zama goes down blissey is a problem

@forest magnet noticing now team struggles with corv

[forest magnet]

yeah

[umbral adder]

dengo is a 2hko tho but still

[forest magnet]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Corviknight: 249-294 (62.4 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Possible damage amounts: (249, 252, 255, 258, 261, 264, 267, 270, 273, 276, 279, 282, 285, 288, 291, 294)

@umbral adder

[umbral adder]

ig it could work

[west harbor]

you could just try an np set if you’re really worried about it

you completely wall corv

[umbral adder]

yeah but specs is nice for dozo

[forest magnet]

yeah the specs set is rlly prediction reliant

[umbral adder]

also immediate wallbreaking

[west harbor]

i think np is more consistent especially with recover

[forest magnet]

@umbral adder tbolt is a 2hko on dozo

no specs

[west harbor]

specs can get chipped really easily and means you have to guess right every time

[forest magnet]

tbh i kinda like covert for garg but idk

[umbral adder]

how would i fit tbolt in on a np recover set

[west harbor]

garg is fine with mola and gking slow pivots

[umbral adder]

also @forest magnet what if dozo tera dragon or somethin

[forest magnet]

i mean setup garg

like curse/id

[umbral adder]

yeah thats an issue too

@forest magnet unaware clef too

[forest magnet]

k

[forest magnet]

wdym? like calm mind variants

[umbral adder]

yeah

tera steel cm

just got destroyed by it

i feel like a fire type or even move on this team would be great

[forest magnet]

tbh trick dengo eats

[umbral adder]

true

scarf?

@forest magnet does this work better?

https://pokepast.es/c6fb823911418b4c

[forest magnet]

i'm rating ur first team

[umbral adder]

oh my b

sorry

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/7653014150fb730d I made Gholdengo scarf, to give more speed controll to your team as the fastest member is zama rn (nothing faster than pult). It also has trick for clefable that u mentioned or any other bulky wall. made Tusk boots, for easier hzard removal vs hsama. gave mola a bit more hp for bigger wishes to support the team too. and make snowking galar surf over twave for iron moth (so it doesn't setup on us). made gambit tera flying

kept the gambit set the same (just made it flying), you should be good vs clef and corv now

[umbral adder]

should i maybe go tera flying on gambit?

also thank you so much

[forest magnet]

check the paste

[umbral adder]

on my life i read that as fairy

im losing it dude

[forest magnet]

lol all good

[umbral adder]

also what the evs for on zama

[forest magnet]

well the speed evs are usless, unless ur using it for outspeeding other zama

so i just tweaked it for being faster than weavile by one point, and throwing the rest into HP

for bulk

[umbral adder]

sick

would tera blast be good on gambit? hits tusk and i already have 3 moves strong against fairies

[forest magnet]

tusk is alr covered by mola, scald keeps it away

no need + we have scarf ghold too

[umbral adder]

ok cool

thank you so much

[zenith kite]

I had this as my team but just found out sneasler is now uber, can anyone help me find a replacement? https://pokepast.es/c13944c6a31536d5

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[west harbor]

when a big mon like sneasler gets banned, the entire meta shifts, so it’s pretty hard to make 1 for 1 replacements on teams that were built for sneasler meta

you’d be better off trying to make / use something new that wasn’t built around unburden sneasler winning

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/42ef6267646f63e8 ursaluna semistall ?

[forest magnet]

I would strongly suggest scrapping this, because

@fierce basin

i got it

[fierce basin]

Bro my fingers just shake that's why u see me type for a split second

I'm not yoinking u

It's cold outside

Promise

[forest magnet]

k

[cloud blade]

Thats not a semistall, thats just a 5 mon stall with freddy fazbear waiting to die, while desperately trying to sponge knock offs with no recovery, while dealing with burn damage, just switch it for a magic guard clef and go full stall

And you forgot evs on mola

[forest magnet]

I would strongly reccomend scrapping this, its just 5 stall mons and Ursa slapped on. Why run ursa when u can run another mon to help support your stall core already. Try looking at this discord server, this is where all the stall players post teams and you can get advice on what "semi-stall" is

https://discord.gg/9Ry7mSHgDf

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/dd6219daa19dec85 not dubious team!
Gren is supposed to be timid oops
Notes: hatt and heatran are iffy, i mostly would like replacements or better sets for them, i changed thier sets a bit too after more testing, heatran is now balloon, and hatt is eject button healing wish
And made the gren life orb

[indigo onyx]

https://pokepast.es/40e62417bab9a724 could grind with this teal to 1500 but i m affraind of starting stagning

[brisk cedar]

This team doesn't work from a pace standpoint

Screens can't really coexist alongside defensive heatran, zapdos and gweezing

Outside of some exceptions like light screen toxapex to take future sight better but the general rule is that limited time strategies need offense

I think if you want screens offense you'd be better off using one that somebody else has already built

[primal seal]

https://pokepast.es/4d15e56c585d7cb2

Gliscor is just a placeholder. I want to know if the 5 are good and what pokemon i should put in the last space

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[brisk cedar]

Pawmot, Tinkaton, Life Orb Ceruledge and Subsunny Wake aren't very good, Meowscarada is the only good set here. You could build around one or maybe two of the other four mons on a team but they'd need different sets

edit: worded it wrong, wake and ceruledge are fine mons that can fit together I just meant the sets aren't good, pawmot and tinkaton though are highly specific and the sets for them aren't good

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[livid nacelle]

@fierce basin

[forest magnet]

Please delete this, and come back when the team is finished. We don't rate incomplete teams.

[edgy obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/eb5f8da13f0299bd

Back at it again with Thundurus
It's a Double Scarf team with Hoopa Unbound. I took a suggestion from the other RMT and added Cinderace, and used Great Tusk, Ogerpon Wellspring and Kingambit sets from the other Thundurus OU team

I feel like maybe a ghost type of sorts and/or Iron Valiant could work somewhere here on this team

[cloud gull]

hey I think the idea here is to make an offense team but neither does scarf hoopa fit into offense nor is it a good set , same goes for thundurus . I would recommend Changing hoopa--> iron valiant as it can run mixed , special or even physical sets doing pretty much the same work as hoopa and actually giving ur team speed control , Next u need a stealth rocker as rocks are very important for offensive teams for ur team I would recommend Changing thundurus --> an ho lead like glimm or if u want to keep the thundy I would recommend using either specs or nasty plot with tera blast fly and changing cinderace to heatran

[livid nacelle]

Yeah mb:https://pokepast.es/184fbce104baf546

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[livid nacelle]

actual spreads now

Oh scrap fogo stats on heatran

https://pokepast.es/111a75502aacffbf

[brisk cedar]

Some changes to make:
236 HP, 252+ attack, rest in speed on Rillaboom
Tera fly on Kingambit
Manaphy over Greninja

wait with mana you have negative speed control, do lucha or booster speed tusk

[livid nacelle]

U sure ninja can't just stay? With battle bond boost after kill it can do solid speed control

[forest magnet]

its too easily revenged

so oppising priority just snipe it

[livid nacelle]

ah

same issue with pult?

[forest magnet]

no, pult isn't a sweeper

pult doesn't take recoil from life orb chip, and if it switches out its still strong

[brisk cedar]

Oh yeah you could fit pult over gren too with wisphex or specs

[forest magnet]

gren's battle bond only works once and disappears once it switches out

[livid nacelle]

would pex replace hatt cause if so i dont have hazard control anymore

tbf magic bounce as hazard control def exploitable tho

[west harbor]

pex wouldn’t really fit on a team like this because its really passive

[livid nacelle]

o im dumb i thought they said pex they meant wisp+hex pult

specs prob better for this set

[livid nacelle]

Idk bout tera flying. I forgo to change tera to fighting, and stab lk has won me some game ngl

wait i dont have low kick on here lol

eh ill run it see how it goes

[brisk cedar]

Also, Rillaboom HO has been on the decline so you can also use bulkier Rillaboom balances and bulky offenses such as this if you want https://pokepast.es/bbf36edcd146818f

[livid nacelle]

Ye im taking your advice and switching to a bulkier rilla

also real qucik what is the point of chilling reception besides being a switch move?

[forest magnet]

to setup snow, which helps out ice types as well as get rid of other weather

like rain teams, slowking galar ruins the rain by turning it 2 snow

[west harbor]

the main point of it is the slow pivot though, so i wouldn’t underestimate that

being able to bring in something basically for free is really valuable

[livid nacelle]

ye but letting your team get chipped seems kinda bad tho

does he not have teleport or something?

[brisk cedar]

This is snow

Not hail

No chip damage

[livid nacelle]

O

also ye checked litteraly dosen't have teleport lol

[umbral surge]

Tera ghost moltres for dnite ?

[finite pine]

can someone help me build a team from scratch? maybe dm me or idk

[brisk cedar]

We only rate complete teams

You can go to the OU discords teambuilding channel

Or compgen/compgen2 if it's inactive

[finite pine]

where is that?

[brisk cedar]

https://discord.gg/Pgn3Nrb

[finite pine]

oh how do i get out of the unapproved section do i verify or soemthing?

[brisk cedar]

I'll ask them to let you in but normally you have to verify

[finite pine]

ty for the help

[fierce wharf]

idk much about team building. Hows this team looking?
https://pokepast.es/19667e8b18aa902c

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[balmy crown]

https://pokepast.es/ec48e79d7ea84bf6 Hit 1770 with this team in SV OU. Looking to see if there's any improvements I could make.
Main things I seem to face difficulties with: Garg and Sub ID Zamazenta.
Thanks!

[cloud gull]

sub id zama is always hard for ho , try making gambit tera fly as it is the better tera for sd gambit imo , or either make it tera blast fairy

For Zama u should try to save val late game so it doesn't snowball

[balmy crown]

mmm this is something i've definitely had to consider

[sly mauve]

hi, i made this team yesterday and ive been having a great time using it. However i feel like some things could be better. Is there someone who could take a look at it? This is it: https://pokepast.es/d547055272660e87

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[sly mauve]

Btw, ive tried dragonite and 1 other mon (who i cant remember) in the place of heatran but i feel like this was the best pick

[brisk cedar]

Blissey does not fit here at all, with webs you want ribombee+gholdengo+foir sweepers

And Corviknight

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jealousy-got-reqs-three-times-peaked-1889-no-50.3730667/

This is an example of a good webs team, you can use this

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[spiral fable]

no

you're lacking blissey which is key to every stall team, and you have arboliva instead?

also water absorb clod is a waste especially since this means this team has no true spdef walls

aint good tho

you have no real answer to any boosting spattacker

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/dff1b77abb812587 fixed a team and tested it, the dnite is the mvp, originally had a bb gren but somebody helped me fix that and it became the wake (dnite really likes to tera, so a lot of games in testing, only 1 of 2 mons ever used tera, dnite or clod)

And ?? Lol its just super spdef, the speed is for gambit, and if you wanna try a gterrain stall i can try to help

(Im thinking like a sub seed rilla with supporting mons that discourage ice spinner for a fat gterrain team)
Also ye the team basically relies on walling annoying stuff completely, getting up hazards on them, and then after that stuff is gone it just cleans up with tera blast flying dnite

[tulip viper]

https://pokepast.es/21fec44618112ead

SVOU fat team

I need something to change, I have too many water types and I struggle most against wellspring ogerpon and zapdos

If possible I’d like to try to maybe keep dondozo

[tulip viper]

Got a little quirky

Sorry for being impatient

[spiral fable]

This isn't a fat team, this is 4 stall mons and then suddenly 2 offensive mons

And it doesn't work

You're right in that wellspring 6-0es this team, but you have no way of stopping it, since its encore set will shut you down hard

[tulip viper]

Ok then what’s a fat team

Someone literally told me that’s how a fat team is made

[spiral fable]

Furthermore, your core just fundementally doesn't work cuz the stall mons are all just such a massive momentum sink

[tulip viper]

I see

(I do not know what my core is even supposed to be)

[spiral fable]

Fat would be more something like ting lu + mola + idk gking/corv

[tulip viper]

I am not putting ting lu on my team

All that thing does is show up, set rocks, take damage, do nothing, and die

Every time I use it

[spiral fable]

defensive mons, yes, but also having utility outside of that role(ting lu is a hazard setter, mola is a wish passer and bulky pivot, gking is a bulky pivot with offensive traits, and corv can defog)

[tulip viper]

And even then the rocks don’t stay out

And they do nothing anyway since everyone always runs boots

Can you suggest a set of roles I should fill instead of listing specific mons

[spiral fable]

fat? 3-4 defenisve mons, with a breaker(specced/banded mon usually) and a set up sweeper as well, with optional speed control/hazard removal

[tulip viper]

So if I keep Dozo, Garg, and Blissey, as well as Gambit, I should be fine, right?

I just need a different breaker and maybe another spdef mon

Please tell me I’m on the right track, I don’t wanna sound stupid

Hoodra or maybe Pex

I’ll do hoodra, that’ll help against my biggest threats

[spiral fable]

blissey is too passive

hoodra is bad

[tulip viper]

Oh

[spiral fable]

dozo is borderline but alright

[tulip viper]

Well I need some form of spdef

[tulip viper]

Dozo is my source of unaware

[spiral fable]

ting lu

[tulip viper]

No

I am not going to use ting Lu

[spiral fable]

then you're gimping yourself

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip viper]

Not until I see some gameplay of it actually doing something

Because so far it has either been nonexistent or useless

It sets rocks. The rocks do nothing. The rocks get cleared. And then it dies.

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/ef6f5c735647375b

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[ocean pumice]

https://pokepast.es/c28b3d00ef29158c maus psyspam

[forest magnet]

taking both for any other rater

[spiral fable]

and then matte died

@forest magnet

[forest magnet]

no

i'm alive, just thinking

@spiral fable

[forest magnet]

do me a favor and take this team

thx <3

[spiral fable]

gladly

[spiral fable]

so this is a solid psyspam team, i would only make a few changes
In my experience, armarogue fails to pull its weight a lot of the time(you get smacked by one special move and now you're toast + heatran eats you for days), and it can be a bit of a challenge bringing in the psyspam threats without sacking indeedee, so I would recommend swapping armarogue for eject button healing wish hatterene. It provides your team with a clean switch after turn 1 indeedee, and a late game sack to revive a near dead sweeper.
Instead of Cornerstone, I would suggest Zamazenta with Psychic seed. With the spdef boost, it can set up on an awful lot of pokemon, especially if you run the rest variant, sitting on basically every physical attacker of the tier after one iron defense.

aight @forest magnet you take the other im dipping

[forest magnet]

thx

[ocean pumice]

thx psyseed zama sounds funny. i really hate that mon but you gotta do what you gotta do

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/4767769d392778c8 some big changes, i made this into a boots spam team. made dengo defensive + covert cloak to beat garg which this team stuggles w a bit, swapped zama for ace for some hazard controll as well as a pivot to pair with zapdos, and swapped ogerpon for amoonguss for a knock asorber as well as checking other ogerpon.

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/e07cb27cb939bbd3

[cloud gull]

agility wake is more of an ho mon , try specs . Same goes for eject hatt altho u can keep eject here for eject and wake synergy but imo change it to lefties cm

Also twave on zap over heatwave coz ur team is incredibly slow

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/16d8efd2a4c49922 i was experimenting and landed on this, how does it look? I put a magic guard clef over hatt, put twave on the clef, and left heat wave on zap to improve my gambit matchup, then went mostly bootspam cuz clef can knock absorb

I forgot to change the wake set, but it’s supposed to be just specs, so flame over agi and meteor over sub

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[cloud gull]

yea looks fire , try pult on this over wake once and lefties on tran

altho it looks pretty solid as it is now

[cloud blade]

Gotcha

[rain gyro]

could go flip turn over pulse on wake if you want

and then do surf meteor flame flip

[forest magnet]

i'm not sure if this is just an error, but wake is holding specs

so i would say pult > wake for speed control if u wanna do specs, and booster on wake for a cleaner

[cloud blade]

Vk reccomended the specs wake, it was originally booster sub agility, right now this is what its evolved into, pult has been doing the specs thing better https://pokepast.es/c1130b49af314cbc

But im considering a twave hex darts pult rn, so i can afford knock on clef

[cloud gull]

u can also try flame body tran on this

since u have dnite for moth and tran

[cloud gull]

these are the changes u can make based on what u prefer more , so test the team on ladder and adjust it to how u like it

[cloud blade]

thx for all the help!

[cloud gull]

👍

[white solstice]

https://pokepast.es/97606f302927de68 not sure about the samurott its kinda iffy any reccomendations on what to change?

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[fierce basin]

Alright,
I think you're right to be iffy about the samurott, even if you manage to set up the focus energy you still wont do a ton without swords dance and will be easily revenged. A manaphy with either tail glow or double dance would probably be better.
Your ninetales should be hp invest over special attack invest so that it can come in and get veil up as many times as possible, you have enough offensive power on a build like this. I also replaced blizzard for encore to deter setup
ceruledge should be careful since you're bulking up anyway, put a bit of speed in so you're faster than 0 speed rillaboom and stuff
scarf landorus doesn't really fit on a team like this, and even if it was scarf fly is not real. A better scarf lando set would be something like quake uturn stone edge terablast fly. Bulk up lando also seems redundant since you have ceruledge, so I think you're better off with a setup guy to abuse veil like booster valiant, which is both better speed control, takes advantage of veil, and isn't as easy to take advantage of for your opponent.
Rillaboom is kind of hard to make work on a team like this since he only has so many turns before his terrain is gone. I'd probably replace it with something like a dragonite since I took away your ground immunity, jolly is to outspeed pult at +1
I GUESS I could justify garg on veil if I was feeling like a sicko tn but fortunately your team has no hazard control so I can instead point and say hey, make this a hatterene. 52 speed is to outspeed the stuff creeping 106s like pex (that way it doesn't haze you before you click stored power). Not only is it a form of hazard control but hatt is also a potent wincon in its own right.
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/31565db370002370
other options:
tail glow on manaphy instead of double dance
mixed valiant or encore over one of your attacks is a possibility
making ceruledge a kingambit so you have a ghost resist other than praying
I hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[vernal hornet]

I made a funny little team of only OU pokemon https://pokepast.es/28bbbddadb0e26f2

WaddaUThink?

Jokes aside I think its annoying asf that all these pokemon are viable in OU

[spiral fable]

This team gets 6-0ed by encore waterpon, struggles against psyshock ghold, and loses to double dance manaphy.
Stall is really hard to build this gen, with the abundance of threats to account for. I would recommend you use a stall sample instead, like this one.

https://pokepast.es/0e6901cc0d96cd76

And if you’re upset that these stall mons are viable in ou, it’s due to the heavily offensive nature of the metagame. With balance struggling to resist the onslaught of threats, you’re left with hyper offense, or hard stall. Once more threats are banned or we receive more defensive mons, balance will rise again and some of these stall mons will become more niche.

[vernal hornet]

Still funny lol

And I wasn’t aiming to make a good team by any means

[edgy obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/0b945f5e72f056b1
Tried to make a team centred around Thundurus and Iron Valiant
Wasn't sure to make Valiant phys or special, so I just went with special

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[cloud gull]

change scarf to specs on thundy , sash to boots on dragapult , go with stealth Rock on garganacl over earthquake , change the cinderace to the sample bulky pivot one , also val can be physical here coz u need a knocker

[edgy obsidian]

What EV spread do you recommend on Cinderace?

[cloud gull]

max speed , 36 atk , max hp

jolly nature

[white solstice]

thanks a lot for the in depth explanation of what doesn't match and what i can improve

[fierce basin]

No problem, I hope it helps

[smoky folio]

https://pokepast.es/f15757d9857d62a0 any thoughts?

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[grizzled mural]

https://pokepast.es/6437ecdf2a733c9c

[cloud gull]

this looks like ur not sure what u want to build first 4 mons look like ur trying ho but next two are BO mons , u also don't need dual scarf as u already have speed boost moth and speed boost val for speed control . Try using a dedicated lead like glimmora or iron treads which can get rocks up consistently over corviknight as corviknight will just gain ur momentum which is not preferred on a HO team . Now u have glimm wake val moth dengo Lando ,
imo change Lando to a kingambit as it offers u another steel type and is a fantastic mon overall and fits ho more . Dengo u can keep scarf but I don't think u need speed control so if u want to change , try this set

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fight
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Psyshock
• Nasty Plot
• Focus Blast

paired with black glasses kingambit ur team would have a fantastic matchup into stall

also tera ghost on val imo to secure the gholdengo ohko after cm

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/d8e81a6b104cdef3

balanced

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

this is an empty paste

[spiral fable]

This team has a lot of problems
You have no immediate power/breakers, no reliable hazard control nor hazard setters, and your set up mons are easily walled.
Grassy Terrain is also a huge problem for this team, as 4/6 of these mons are blown up by banded Wood Hammer and the other two struggle heavily against Heatran.
I would recommend running a sample team for now, you can find them here.

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[sly mauve]

or... maybe trying to fix the team by replacing the weaker pokemon with better pokemon

[spiral fable]

I mean frankly I would have to drop 3-4 mons of this team, and at that point you're better off running a sample

There's no shame in running a sample, they're all really good teams

i would swap zenta to the choice band set, drop rocks on ting lu for spikes, make tusk phys defensive, and give it rocks over bulk up. If you find yourself struggling with Wellspring(which this team might run into issues with if zenta is chipped/val is dead), you can swap zenta to the iron defense set and swap manaphy for specs enamorus

[sly mauve]

I do want to get into tournaments one day, do people run samples in tournaments?

[spiral fable]

You can't really run samples in a tournament, because that would mean your opponent knows exactly what sets your mons are running and then it's an easy sweep.
However, samples are a good way to learn how to team build properly: you can take notes of what roles they often fill, how they build certain archetypes, and learn from there. Tournament play is on a whole other level from regular laddering, and I would recommend you learn how to teambuild first from samples before trying to participate in tournaments.

[sly mauve]

oh ok

[sweet coyote]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/empty-chairs-at-empty-tables-peak-59-1863-elo-earned-gliscor-suspect-reqs.3731771/

[spiral fable]

@forest magnet this is on forums this is your thing

[smoky folio]

alr thx. sorry i forgot how to build teams lmfao

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/871cb7b912476414

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

sure

[forest magnet]

looks pretty good, it just seems pretty weak to ogerpon and tinglu. https://pokepast.es/2dc07f2e2622373b I swapped Dragapult for mandibuzz to be better vs ogerpon-wellspring and ting-lu, made great tusk and cinderace offensive to add more firepower, paired with slowking galar with future sight support to help break things.

[tardy oracle]

https://pokepast.es/fcaa9f0921a32ea4
Cooked up this team, want some quick thoughts on it. I love av samu sets like this. Don’t know if the alo set is very optimal, kinda a work in progress.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tardy oracle]

Bb on dnite also could be changed

[cloud blade]

Only thing imma note about this, if you are against HO, you just lose if you dont get the spin off, and remove the rocks+tspikes/webs you just lose, so you NEED to put boots over lefties on tusk, also boots just make more sense cuz ur running mola for wish

[tardy oracle]

Ok I added boots and moved some attack to speed

[spiral fable]

Drop mola for gking(i dont know whats up with the evs nor facade), drop inner focus for multiscale, swap ghold for specs pult(idk what was up with those evs as well), make val the special cm variant, make tusk fully phys def bulky

[tardy oracle]

Wait I’m inner focus? Didn’t notice

[waxen ingot]

A team that is along this line (the Sableye, Scizor and Ninetales is a must) I need it to be expanded upon

https://pokepast.es/41e530c22ea1d9d7

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rain gyro]

i'ma be real this is unviable

and so will everyone else because theres like 5 people typing 😭

[brisk cedar]

Do you want to claim this faya?

nvm

[spiral fable]

Lemme

Go find the rules rq

We can work with the atales and maybe scizor, though the team will be pretty subpar

But the sableye isn’t usable at all

[waxen ingot]

That’s fair

[rain gyro]

atales is fine yea

[waxen ingot]

A small price to pay, I didn’t expect them to be near unusable

[rain gyro]

but if you wanna keep atails, switch cinder

nah it's fine

[waxen ingot]

Ok

[rain gyro]

mostly because

court change kinda

gives your aurora veil to the opponent LOL

[spiral fable]

Screens is alright in ou rn, scizor is meh but it’s not complete deadweight

Do you want us to build around the two and drop the sableye or

[rain gyro]

scizor is meh but its got a niche yea

[waxen ingot]

Yes

[stone onyx]

https://pokepast.es/e1cc62bce23c0158 thoughts on this unburden grafaiai hyper offense?

[spiral fable]

Ok
Drop Gking, sableye, and cinderace
Change Scizor's set to a SD close combat bullet punch roost/dark coverage, with bulk
You can swap manaphy to its double dance set if you like
Slot on bulky gambit, with leftovers, full hp and attack investment, with sd, kowtow, sucker, and coverage of your choice, i would recommend low kick with tera flying
Slot on booster moth, with sub + fiery dance + you can pick between psychic dgleam sludge wave or energy ball, though i prefer psychic dgleam with tera fairy
I would recommend iron press zamazenta on the last slot with crunch, but that's also up to you, you can also slot on ddance dnite, or wellspring

[waxen ingot]

Ty 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[waxen ingot]

Any specific Wellspring

[spiral fable]

i like encore, but you might also want trailblaze to make up for speed

[tardy oracle]

I’m not rating, I’m just saying good luck. In this day and age, and in this economy, good luck, keep fighting the good fight.

[brisk cedar]

Unfortunately Grafaiai was only viable pre dlc, and that was as a prankster encore pivot, not a sweeper.

The best advice I could give you for using it, though, is to take this team and replace Sneasler with your Grafaiai set.

https://pokepast.es/39329075e51a934b

[stone onyx]

alright, ty!

[ocean pumice]

https://pokepast.es/17c6ffe6c2bc821e fought this lineup a lot while spamming webs ho, idk it seems good into several archetypes it might be good it might be ass im not really sure

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud gull]

looks good

I like terablast fight on pult more and just phantom force but either works

[fierce basin]

Hi,
I agree w vk that pult should be tera blast fight, this looks like a team I'd lose to gambit in the endgame with but I'd be coping the whole time. Additionally, I'd make your valiant tera steel so it can flip its type matchup on a sludge bomb to get a cm then kill w psyshock. Your enamorus should be cute charm imo for the cheese potential, personally id also make it healing wish over psychic. Lastly I'd probably make the ghold tera fight for gambit since you have blast. Sorry but I can't give you a paste cause I'm on my phone. Hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[ocean pumice]

got it ty

[cloud blade]

Hawlucha vastly outperforms grafaiai btw so if u wanna run gterrain @stone onyx use that team that veti sent with an unburden lucha instead

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/43c7150341e03bbc

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

pretty good already, I would just say rocky helmet > leftovers because gterrain already is "leftovers" for tusk, make great tusk posion instead of water, and make dragapult specs for power

https://pokepast.es/5ddb204501c1ee93

[cinder merlin]

https://pokepast.es/ea638fb9f4037fbf I wanted to try building a rain HO team, stored power mana helps to break through special walls and unaware mons, specs ghold is used to gain some immediate pressure without having to setup nasty plot, and grimm helps set dual screens and help my matchup against Glimmora leads with taunt

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fierce basin]

you don't really actually have any true rain abusers on this team, manaphy and ogerpon wellspring are both such good mons that you can run them on other archetypes and they dont need the support of pelipper. The point of running a classically shit mon like pelipper is to abuse the rain as much as possible by using guys like swift swimmers such as barraskewda/basculegion, or even something like zapdos that can now always hit the hurricanes and thunders. Your manaphy doesn't even have rest to abuse hydration. I would scrap this one and find a rain team from the past teams of the week to mess around with until the upcoming dlc so you have a better idea of how to build one when the new mons hit. I'll link some below
maushold rain https://pokepast.es/845006b48159c665
jugulis rain https://pokepast.es/af6a15ef8552dc53
toxicroak rain https://pokepast.es/e054cc87351a4a40
let me know if you have any other questions and I'll do my best to answer them. I hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[slate charm]

https://pokepast.es/80b5d84b71c13e9b hyper offense team and ik icicle spear on weavile is kinda weird but I find its a counter to ribbombee and other bulky things

[spiral fable]

o spidge you wanna take this one?

[fierce basin]

i was just running some calcs before I told him smth

bvut if u wanna take it u can

[spiral fable]

yeah ill do it rq

[spiral fable]

So HO needs a suicide lead: you don't really have one here, since heatran is more of a bulky hazard setter
Furthermore, you don't really have a lot of set up sweepers: It's really only gambit, and technically moth
You also don't need a scarfer on HO
Drop heatran for glimmora
Run sub over sludge wave on moth, maybe swap energy ball out for dazzling gleam and run tera fairy instead that's up to you
Run SD over fake out on weavile, run tera ice
Drop moth for booster calm mind val with encore
I would run dark glasses over air balloon on gambit but that's just personal preference
Drop lando for SD wellspring

[slate charm]

thanks

[agile lynx]

https://pokepast.es/975ccd6d2dd3bcf5

It's meant to be a balance team with the aim to utilise Hex Gholdengo with decent support, specially Defensive WashTom might sound weird but I mainly used it because it was the only one who great synergy with Gholdengo, Garganacl is here to provide reliable defence as well sp def, Kingambit, Garchomp and Greninja provide the offensive power, it's meant to be a barrage of assaults of one sweeper after the other

[fierce basin]

hello,
for a team built around hex gholdengo, you should probably have more ways of spreading status than just wisp rotom, such as t spikes.
This team seems very weak to fairy/fighting coverage, rillaboom, and opposing kingambit. You also have no removal or hazards of your own, ting lu gets up 3 layers of spikes on like all your guys except gren. With all this in mind, I think I would probably scrap because I can't figure out a way to change this team that satisfies me. Regardless, I'll try to improve this incase you don't want to scrap.
taking hex off gholdengo since there's no easy way to slot t spikes onto this team. If you want to try to utilise hex gholdengo try to rebuild w t spikes.
I'd go with amoonguss over rotom-w, this patches up your rillaboom matchup aswell as valiant. Now that I've taken away your ground immunity, I'd make your garchomp a dragon dance dragonite. He's a more consistent wincon and with tera normal espeed can hopefully give you an easier valiant matchup as well as additional defensive utility vs rillaboom
I don't really get why your kingambit is defense invest, I'm assuming it's a mistake so I swapped it to attack invest
This sort of team really feels like it needs cinderace but I can't figure out how to slot it without ruining another matchup, maybe just keep it in your head for the next build
team w changes https://pokepast.es/8669ded81ebeb3f1
other options: cinderace over greninja so you can court change hazards back, I just didn't want to remove like your only offensive presence
here's the gen 9 sample teams aswell, but none of them have hex gholdengo unfortunately
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
I hope the insight helped a bit at least, good luck and have fun

[agile lynx]

Hi, thanks a lot for the guidance, I will definitely improve upon this team and experiment further, thanks a lot for your time, really appreciate it

[fierce basin]

no problem

[agile lynx]

Just a question, defensive Gholdengo with Shadow Ball would ideally perform better than Hex right?

[fierce basin]

yeah I made it shadow ball since it seems more consistent without ways to status the opposing team. You could run hex if you wanted to like, run t wave over nasty plot

on ghold

[agile lynx]

Yeah fair and abt the defence EVs on Gambit, my main motive was to increase longevity as its attack would already be raised with Supreme Overlord and maybe sd so I figured that I wouldn't need attack EVs

[brave turtle]

https://pokepast.es/1dc4ed2633750f46
hello, i made this sorta balance teams with the idea of trying to set up hazards with a sorta suicide lead chomp and keep good pressure with scarf gholdengo and scarf hoopa, since they would be able to outspeed most mons and deal some solid damage, or at least force switches (which was what I was kinda going for). dozo and the goodra were there just as physical and special sponges respectively, but they seem a ittle passive and i wasnt really sure what i should switch them to. any advice helps, thanks!

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brisk cedar]

Do you want this spidget?

[fierce basin]

You go ahead sometimes I just misclick their name instead of the link w my fat fingers so it says I'm typing cause the @ comes up

You can take it

[brisk cedar]

Alr, this team doesn't really work as a balance, suicide leads are an HO exclusive thing and dondozo+goodra isn't a great defensive core.

I'll replace Garchomp with Ting Lu, as it is a superior spiker imo.

Next thing that jumped out to me is scarf hoopa, scarf hoopa isn't a very good mon so I removed it. The team needs a breaker, knocker and pivot, so I added Rillaboom which also helps out our defensive mons and gives us a revenge killer.

Changed the tusk to tera poison because you're already headlong and poison is good alongside rillaboom

Made Gholdengo defensive with nasty plot to be superior at breaking down defensive cores, spinblocking and checking threats long term with recover.

I replaced Dondozo with Encore Wellspring, Encore allows us to stop bulky setup sweepers like manaphy as well as pokemon like Kingambit and it forms a nice core with Rillaboom offensively. It also gives us a good water resist so we can more easily replace goodra. This does make the matchup into stuff like dragonite, weavile and ceruledge scarier but I think it's an improvement regardless.

Last mon I added was a bulky tera ghost kingambit, tera ghost here allows us to blank dnites espeed and serve as an emergency fighting resist and Kingambit is just a nice mon to have for revenge killing.

https://pokepast.es/2506b0362a29dedc

@brave turtle

[brave turtle]

i see, should i just get rid of rocks completely tho? usually what i did was set up rocks and a layer of spikes w chomp

[forest magnet]

check the paste, there are no rocks

the paste provided is our recommended teams

[brave turtle]

ye originally i had em so i was jus wonderin if like it was fine w/o em in the new paste

[brave turtle]

gotcha 👍

[forest magnet]

you should be good, the other team members threaten flying types

[sly mauve]

Hi, i made this team today and was wondering if there are any improvements. Here is the team: https://pokepast.es/03a686f341312a9e
I was thinking about maybe changing glimmora or clefable for eviolite chansey. Another thing i'm looking for is a taunter, and maybe a fighting type mon..

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

why invest spa on pult when it runs no special attack

oh crap i hadnt noticed, initially had hex instead of ls

[sly mauve]

no one who has some spare time to take a quick look? 🙂

[brisk cedar]

I'd say just use a sample team

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[sly mauve]

What do you mean by that? Is the whole team just garbage or is it something else?

[fierce basin]

If nobody types up smth for you I will when I get to my comp

[fierce basin]

hi,
the whole team isn't garbage, a couple sets are viable but the rest unfortunately could be classified as garbage. Next time you try to put something together I'd look at the sets on the smogon strategy dex first https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/dragapult/ because the strategy dex gives examples of viable sets and writeups on why they are the way they are.
Your dragapult for example does not really do anything. All of your moves are technically viable but all together like this do nothing, and the EVs look like you slid the slider randomly. The same can be said for your glimmora, which also has a nonsensical set. You got recommended a sample team because your team demonstrated a lack of meta knowledge thats required to try to put together a team yourself, and piloting a sample for a bit helps you figure out what you need and don't need on a team. I hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[sly mauve]

so i kinda changed things up. is this better? https://pokepast.es/796d63060a66bce2
btw, im not really looking to become the #1 player, but just to try out new mons and try to improve my game sense

so in some way yes i want to get higher up but its not really the main goal. And i wanna have a solid team so i dont have to lose every game haha

[sly mauve]

anyone?

[forest magnet]

on it gimmie a sec

[forest magnet]

You don't have any sort of hazard removal, meaning your walling potential is cup, your pokemon tend to be very passive in nature, letting things get setup on them, or give free switches. On top of that, these pokemon have little to no cohesion, like garg on this team seeming pretty random as its not well supported. I would recommend scrapping this team and going with a sample of balance, as thats what this team seems to me. I'll provide a sample below similar to your team

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/2b7fb487cc2eed6e

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud gull]

cool team it just lacks a lot of speed control , i recommend making ghold scarf and changing samurott set to boots / dark glasses(u can run sd sucker here to compensate with speed control) i would also change slowking to max spdef

[strong vapor]

https://pokepast.es/b4c33f54f1f83500

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal kelp]

looks like a good HO team but without a lead it might be hard to get a good turn 1 going with respect to momentum and getting an advantage over an opponent. would recommend changing dengo > glimm and making kingambit tera fire with max speed max atk adament instead of bulky, u only rlly run bulky with low kick tera fighting and since ur tera fairy u just get iheaded by other gambits if you tera which is bad. on ival use tera electric > fairy so u can beat gholdengo in a 1v1 if thats ur point of running tbolt, and make tusk booster speed (max hp max speed evs timid) with bulk up > cc and ice spinner over CC for better coverage into flying and dragons

everything else is prolly fine

[strong vapor]

https://pokepast.es/44239f15877e2e05

I have a question, why do I need to run tera fire kingambit?

[surreal kelp]

cinderace is everywhere rn and it will help ur mu vs it and stop wisp which is pretty big. also lets u reliably beat ival 1v1 in an endgame

[willow condor]

https://pokepast.es/3c96cf66ce93147a
Hi, i just got into SV OU a few days ago and have been slowly trying to figure out where my team struggles. If somebody can see any major flaws please give me advice, it would be greatly appreciated, thanks (:

[spiral fable]

So you have two suicide leads, Glimmora and Grimmsnarl(and Grimmsnarl is completely outcalssed by Atales), when you should only have one. Furthermore, you only have one set up sweeper, gambit, which is running a really weird ev spread that I don't see the reason for, and the rest can be replaced with mons that can take advantage of the suicide lead a lot better.
I think you should run a sample team for now, to get a greater sense for the metagame.

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[real willow]

Why are Skeledirge and Glimmora on the same team

What is the 60 speed on Kingambit for or is that a sample

Nope it doesn't appear to be a sample

[tardy oracle]

https://pokepast.es/f50801a605b0a13e
Tryna toadscruel anti-meta for Val, ghold, clef, the occasional Garg, or literally any mon weak to spore

Bulk on my offensive mons to be supported by alo

Got the idea when I learned mycelium might spores through good as gold and purifying salt

Just faced an ice punch Val and want to cry

[shell stag]

Any ideas for a Hatterene + speed moth offense team?

[forest magnet]

i would say use something over moth, the overlap is alot and both mons are pretty walled by common things like heatran and slowking g

maybe hatt + mana, or oger

[tardy oracle]

I changed toadscruels Tera to poison btw

[forest magnet]

what do these evs do, they are all over the place

please explain so i can rate as well as possible

[tardy oracle]

It’s more of a bulky balance team that receives longevity from alo, so great tusk is offensive with a touch of hp, I already explained that toad is to counter common special mons, Zapdos is a modified smogon suggestion, where I just gave it a bit of spatack ev’s

To still hold it’s offensive presence (zapdos I mean)

And alo Pult and gambit are self explanatory

[tardy oracle]

@forest magnet ?

[forest magnet]

Tbh, i would suggest swapping Amoonguss for Toedscruel. You get wrecked by Ogerpon-Wellspring rn, as well as amoonguss is more consistent as a wall

besides toed, this team looks pretty solid

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/3720527a5aed2235 I made zapdos spd, for the main spd wall of the team, it works well with the regen core that we have, swapped toedscruel for amoonguss for more consistency + an oger check. the rest is just optimized teras + evs

[shy garden]

This is my first attempt at a team in this game, I havent really played since SS. I would like to make a team around Rillaboom and Garg so all others are cuttable https://pokepast.es/e2fe3ca88b63f491

Also was thinking of Tornadus-T

or even Sinistcha

[tardy oracle]

Thanks 🙏

[forest magnet]

Rilla Garg has been a pretty well exprimented w core, i'll send a paste of a good grassy + garg team. https://pokepast.es/3fc767e7f71b44e1

[shy garden]

thank ya 🙂

[forest magnet]

np

[shy garden]

are you still enjoying Heatran on it well enough?

I saw how much he seems to be slippin around, which is crazy to me because I just remember how much a behemoth hes been for a while lol

[forest magnet]

yeah, it checks things like other rilla and iron moth

both very dangerous

[shy garden]

nice thanks. I really like how these 2 work together so I was immediately wanting to make a team around them. Plus I love Boom

[forest magnet]

||i hate it||

[shy garden]

bonus points if you happen to have a team that includes sinistcha?

[forest magnet]

lemme look...

[shy garden]

I feel like he is incredibly slept on

lmao well it's ok if it comes from a place of hate too

[forest magnet]

i mean do u want like setup sinischa?

i unfort don't got a good gterrain + sinischa team

because manaphy is an upgrade to it

[shy garden]

I feel like he can check mons like Tusk or Zamzetta really well and it has a good matchup against the Ogerpons

Strength Sap and Matcha are very good

[forest magnet]

if you are thinking of smtn defensive, i got this stall team:https://pokepast.es/de86c0fc9045d605

[shy garden]

I could start work with this thanks! Obv needs a lil reorganization without Gliscor (rip)

[forest magnet]

oof i didn't see that!! i'll try to find an updated team

[shy garden]

Sinistcha Dondozo seems like a pretty decent pair

[tardy oracle]

@forest magnet I think on my team I’m gonna swap in and out toad and amoong depending on if I’m seeing either a lot of ghold/val or ogerpon on a particular day, since they both hold a different niche

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/01fc733ed4daa6fb

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud gull]

Serious nature Zama? everything else looks good

[surreal kelp]

Real serious

[weary crypt]

https://pokepast.es/8393188daf298b2a

[forest magnet]

I would suggest scrapping, "tech" is pretty inconsistent on ladder as well as kleavor not hitting hard enough. rest of the team is at a weird speed tier.

[weary crypt]

the tech is that it beats any hazard leads bro

critique taken with the speed tiers though.

[forest magnet]

if you play a balance team (most common rn) its pretty tuff as it hits like a wet tissue (great-tusk)

[weary crypt]

tera flying 2HKOs tusk :((

[brisk cedar]

kleavor is kinda non-existent in ou

because every common mon counters it

[weary crypt]

you just dont get it

[spiral fable]

So, Kleavor struggles a lot. It doesn't offer much, as rocks setting can be done by mons like tusk and ting lu, which offer more than just rocks. It's not a good scarfer, as its still outsped by both moth and val, both of which also give it a very hard time. You can catch someone offguard once with Dual Wingbeat into their tusk, but the instant they realize its scarf your kleavor has effectively become dead weight. Furthermore, it doesn't even beat glimmora, nor Atales.
You just have more offered by other mons, with Tusk offering a good bulky phys def mon that can spin, Ting Lu being the bulkiest spdef wall besides Blissey, Glimmora spinning away hazards while vomitting tspikes, Ribombee being able to cripple opposing mons with stun spore/chipping heavily with moonblast/psychic, and Atales offering encore and hypnosis support.
Meanwhile, Kleavor has to pick between setting hazards and actually threatening Tusk, it can't do anything to corv which defogs for free, loses to both boosters which it can't outspeed with scarf, and is also free setup for gambit.

There's more but this is the most important

[tardy oracle]

Just because the meta’s in a spot where low tier mons can shine, doesn’t mean they are the answer to a good team

Like how I built toedscruel with the intent of countering specific mons/sets in the meta

[spiral fable]

Can you make a low tier mon work? Maybe, but 9/10 times it'll just be better to replace it with an actual ou mon

[tardy oracle]

Yeah there’s so much propaganda rn about good players using some off meta Mon and now half of low ladder is RU spam

Like the maushold team, the jugs+tinkaton team, the usaluna team

In all those cases the low tier mons had a niche that fit perfectly into the meta

[shy garden]

Curious if anyone here can help me too. I am looking for a team with Alolan Ninetales and also a team with Milotic, been hunting for a use for them

[real willow]

#comp-general is ur place to ask for these qs

I said RMT Forum but I meant the RMT Forum on the Smogon Forums

[shy garden]

ooo my bad lmao

[shy garden]

https://pokepast.es/8141db7e9cf662e4 - I know rain isn't very good atm but I'm just doing different things to practice teambuilding and countering atm. I can justify some of these choices, at least my thinking. I also spotted the Qwil and Barraskewda sets and think theyre very fun and good adjustments

[calm ether]

https://pokepast.es/9c0a9e5d33e84ddb - looking forward to some suggestions

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/e7ac773aa3b04b86

[fierce basin]

@umbral adder vk replied to this one earlier he just didn't @ you

In case you missed it

[cloud gull]

mb

[spiral fable]

You have rain but you don't have wellspring or zapdos, you have qwilfish? for some reason when there's much better sweepers
you have life orb skewda instead of banded when a large part of its role on rain is the fact that it doesn't chip itself+band is better in almost every situation, plus you have poison jab over aqua jet
You have light clay and keen eye on pelipper instead of drizzle and damp rock
You have floatzel when you already have barreskewda and only 1 spattacker
And rain in general just sucks rn yeah wellspring shuts it down hard
If you do want to run a rain team, there's a unique toxicroak team running around on ladder rn, I would recommend you try it out
https://pokepast.es/e054cc87351a4a40

[brisk cedar]

The team is pretty good, but I have a team that is extremely similar to it you can try

https://pokepast.es/6c92b59fb6c75f41

a couple set changes and garg over pex

[livid nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/5456d349bca2eb97 yeah rammi needs to retire any good bulky hazard removers that can replace her?

[shy garden]

Oops to defend myself a lil I was very tired and just clicked the wrong stuff for Pelliper, I know I needed Drizzle and damp I just accidentally hit clay and didnt switch the ability lol

As for the rest the Qwilfish is not a sweeper it is meant to Taunt the rest on dondozo and the wish from alomomola and set up spikes. It can fish for poison on them too and tiny chip them with barbs. Realistically I should have knock off on Pelipper to FULLY lean into the spikes aspect but I probably wouldnt

The skewda isnt a sweeper for me in this, it's only designed to kill Ogerpon W and Kingambit. I can bait it in bluffing the choice band. Then I hit it with poison jab. Unfortunately it only has a 50/50 chance of a OHKO, which isnt really great. 252+ Atk Life Orb Tera Fighting Barraskewda Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 278-328 (92.3 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO but it does help SUPPORT another sweeper in Floatzel. Also helps take care of Kingambit 52+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Fighting Barraskewda: 146-172 (55.5 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

It's just tough finding room and avoiding the walls. Thats why I didnt have zapdos. Since I need that electric immunity. But again, this entire archtype of rain is really not good lol

[cloud gull]

great tusk is the only way here

unless u wanna go maus

[spiral fable]

It’s not really bluffing band when they see you take life orb recoil

[livid nacelle]

ye prob, although thinking about switching rilla since he's been fliping burgers ever since sneas ban. only really kept him for the funny synergy. Could i make grassy seed tusk work?

[marsh star]

what are some like underrated but still good mons for singles? I only ever did doubles so idk anything Abt singles 😭

[cloud gull]

Not the place to discuss

[marsh star]

oh

[cloud gull]

doubt it , tusk does not need a defense boost

u can prob run a bu set tho , both booster energy or leftovers work , booster energy makes u threatening instantly with +atk boost or +speed boost while grassy terrain heals or u can use leftovers which give u 12% healing when combined with terrain

tera poison / tera fire works best imo

[merry lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/fbcccdca9eb57090 tried to build a team around scizor what should I change (it's my first time making a team 🥲)

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[devout barn]

https://pokepast.es/8a8bf2b0cf575697 tried buildin a team around breloom, first team ive ever built so just like, thought about typing and basic stuff

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/096d40c14b480fa6
Team i made couple days ago. Ive been testing it a lot and it seems really promising, but not quite there. Any reccomended changes? If anything seems weird just ask btw, cuz some of it is purposeful, while other times I just forget to change stuff (also gterrain with life orb craw is just chefs kiss mwah, and the rillaXaceXcraw synergy is just beautiful when put into practice, in testing, gambit was actually the most inconsistent mon on the team, kinda just felt like a less consistent craw, and i had prio regardless)

[cloud blade]

Okay here, tusk+corv is not easy especially with no setup, and no rocks, i can try to clean it up with the changes i would make rq if u want (also breloom sucks)

Just lemme know btw

[devout barn]

sure

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/39ea693645941977
@devout barn ill summarize the changes and why I did them
Breloom -> Enamorus
-Breloom is very bad in the current metagame
-Out side of Pult and the booster tusk, you lacked speed control, so scarf enam gives you speed control, and fast healing wish so you can be a little frisky and let an important mon get low (like pult) for a useful KO
-gives you a dragon immunity for potential banded pults, and just gives you way more pult counterplay overall
-superpower for balloon heatran and good midground
Corv
-IDef BP, gives you a setup mon, that will probably not sweep but will still do something
-tera fire so u dont get burned
Tusk
-rocks, you needed rocks
-made it a bulky set that fits rocks better and spins more consistently
-tera poison so you dont get toxic, and anti moonblast (u probably still die but its the thought that counts)
Gambit
-Lum cuz u lack support mons on the team, and you needed it to function with gambit here tbh
Samu
-made it scarf. The lead set is super inconsistent and really bad rn. They will just spin your hazards away and you lost your mon for nothing, this gives additional speed control, and gives you some more ghold counterplay

Personally I still wouldn’t use the team. A much more ideal hazard stack structure would have Valiant over enam
ghold over pult
zap over corv
While a much better balance/bulky structure would want,
Gking over samu
Clef over enam
Then go for a dd pult

I tried to make a team without changing many of the core mons

I cant truly say how it will perform without testing tho

[velvet path]

is hjk over court change fine

[fierce basin]

I'm a big breloom fan, but imo it's hard to justify using breloom over other mons rn on most archetypes cause you can just run like, rillaboom or ogerpon. The only difference maker is spore, but even then he's generally too slow. I think the best way to make breloom work is webs, here's an old breloom webs sample https://pokepast.es/210e1fc8a9f50966
As for how you built your team, a suicide lead samurott-hisui and a corviknight don't really match. Generally with a suicide lead you end up with 5 offensive mons that maintain the momentum you sacrificed your lead slot for. On this team it would make more sense if it were something like a dragonite.
Also your tusk is hp and attack invest, I'd make it speed and hp so your booster gives you +speed and put bulk up over knock off
making your breloom an ogerpon because it does a lot more without webs support
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/daff027bdb92db26
now, all of your mons touch the ground, and you have no poison type. So If I'm you I'd make one of 2 potential changes:
suicide lead glimmora over samurott so your samurott doesn't trigger the toxic debris
speed booster iron moth over dragapult so you have a poison type to absorb t spikes
as far as first teams go, it could've been a lot worse good job
I hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[velvet path]

and rest on lu over ruination and rocks over spikes

[cloud gull]

Nah I'd go hjk over uturn if something

[velvet path]

is rocks on lu better then spikes

[forest magnet]

spikes > rocks because most things are grounded, and for the flys u pressure w wash

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/6e471b2bc270516d

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brisk cedar]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[brisk cedar]

This team fails to be an HO

With HO you want 5 offensive mons minimum, your lead could be something defensive like a ting lu or (before the ban) gliscor but otherwise you never want to run defensive mons on HO because it doesn't work

[brisk cedar]

nevermind I was told it was a bulky offense, I misread bo as ho

[fallow garden]

how this? https://pokepast.es/524548c6144ff62e

[forest magnet]

Feels pretty weak to DD manaphy, Ting-Lu, and Zapdos.

lemme get some changes 4u

[fallow garden]

sure

pretty much my first attempt at building a team hahaha

[forest magnet]

all good

[strong vapor]

https://pokepast.es/2068f0469d65e43d hi I tried making a ceruledge tean, this team has problems with booster energy iron vailant and I guess some faster threats

[cloud gull]

Nothing looks wrong with this team , it's a pretty standard ho structure and ho usually deals with val with tera or gameflow

idt u can change much here

gambit lives moonblast always and if it reveals cc u have tera fire

pon lives every hit and deals big damage

[merry lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/fbcccdca9eb57090

help pls

[grizzled wren]

https://pokepast.es/74edca83ecac1ae4 my amazing teammm

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[umbral adder]

any way i can change the team tho?

[fierce basin]

I've been staring at this team for awhile to try to come up with changes to get it to a state i'd be happy with ever since I saw you ask again in compgen, but I'm struggling to do so and I'll tell you why:
all of the mons are fine for the most part but there's really no synergy. You have a covert cloak gholdengo but you also have a magic guard clefable that should invalidate garg. you have a future sight port slowking but your only breaker to go along with it is scarf samurott-hisui
I'm a big chomp fan but i dont know if he has the power level to play in this meta. And I can't really figure out the use case for terablast fairy, it has to be just tusk? but you could just run mixed chomp with draco meteor to blow it up, or if you really want to commit to the sd you could run liquidation. It doesn't need to burn its tera for just tusk. Also even if it gets a scale shot and +2, booster valiant/iron moth is unfortunately just going to come out and revenge you, power creep has been unkind to chomp and it's unlikely to run away with games.
You have 4 defensive oriented mons and still manage to get blown up by kingambit swords dancing one time, which it can easily do on ghold, clef, gking, god forbid you dare to lock yourself into ceaseless edge on samurott and your opp realizes. you probably lose on the spot
Even if you get up your hazards and get to play the long game, you have no removal yourself and the majority of your guys touch the ground. It doesn't even seem like a team that wants to trade hazards and play for awhile, even though it looks like it should be one.
It really feels like it wasn't play tested at all. I'd probably just scrap and play with a sample so you figure out why certain mons are on teams. Sorry I couldn't be more constructive, but I hope the critique helps for your next attempt. good luck and have fun

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/1f1d1d5d76f20344 swapped zamazenta for samurott hisui, to have a good spikes setter + damage dealer, and swapped dragapult for enamorus for more firepower, and to hit what is now "meta" better. for example, tinglu is very popular, so you are going to find dragapult a bit less consistent. bc u have to prediect every move

[fallow garden]

okay, thanks will give it a try

[forest magnet]

srry for taking so long! i fell asleep

[fallow garden]

haha no worries

[placid remnant]

are you the author of this team ? Just asking like that

[fallow garden]

yeah, why? i put it together earlier today dint put much thought into it

the sets are taken from smogon

[golden wasp]

Built this wacky team and got me to 1.4k

https://pokepast.es/e8b2ae51e1689625

Any suggestions?

[umbral adder]

@fierce basin thanks so much

built a different version and im playing it rn and im likin it

[fierce basin]

Np glad to help

[devout barn]

https://pokepast.es/2e09e5dcb950cdd6 alright gimme advice on how to improve this team, tried making a team around scale shot loaded dice garchomp

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fierce basin]

alright,
you know trick room is negative priority? so even if specs trick room iron val was justifiable, it would just die since it moves 2nd. Going to assume it's a mistake and you meant to run trick, which I've now put on it
making your zapdos a bit more defensively oriented, but still with 300 speed (outspeeds full speed tusk and ghold). Another option is basically full phys def with only 20 speed evs or so. Also swapped your tera to water so you have a fake water resist since this team doesn't have a real one
your whole team gets smashed by +2 gambit, removing heatran for tusk so that isn't the case. It's speed booster bulk up, I took your rocks, you can make it defensive oriented tusk and put the rocks back on if you prefer, but I think the speed control and sweeping potential is nice
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/93bac1e40c133462
other options:
fully defensive oriented zapdos as previously mentioned
full speed kingambit with low kick as insurance vs other gambits
wisp/court change cinderace over tusk as your kingambit answer/hazard control
hope this helps, good luck and have fun

[devout barn]

ok

that was supposed to be trick LMFAOOOOO

[fierce basin]

i was squinting my eyes so suspiciously trying to figure out what the trick room was for LOL

mfs need to play test their teams a couple times before posting it here

[edgy obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/23d1956517338c0f

A Garchomp team I made recently
I am so happy my favourite mon is back in OU again

The only problem I'm really concerned about is Kingambit

[real willow]

Garchomp never "left" OU, you could always use it in OU

It's just that more people are using SD + Scale Shot now that Glisc and Moon are gone

[fierce basin]

I'd make your iron moth the speed booster set with sub over agility, because Subbing on gambit sucker can save you. You can also put dazzling gleam on it so you aren't as pult weak. Additionally, I would probably try making the garchomp life orb mixed, so draco probably over sd and naive. Draco lets u spam vs unawares and blows up tusk, so it doesn't just come in and spin your spikes away for free. I'd swap your ghold from tera fight since u have no fighting move, I guess to fairy. Lastly, I think you have to slot a tusk over hatt here so you don't get smoked by kingambit, as you previously mentioned. I can't provide an updated paste cause I'm replying to you from mobile sorry. Hope this helps regardless good luck have fun

Other options:
Kingambit max speed low kick over Alo, makes you not as weak to shadow ball and gives you another out vs gambit. Alo can take shadow balls but idk what it's doing back

[fierce basin]

For u

[edgy obsidian]

Yeah, but UUBL purgatory sucked for him :(

[real willow]

Tbh UUBL just inficates low usage in OU

[edgy obsidian]

Thanks, man!
I'll try some of the changes

[real willow]

Not that it sucks in OU

Like

Bax, Espathra, Moon, Ursaluna, Garg, Hydreigon

Were all UUBL

And rose to OU

[edgy obsidian]

So, something like this?
https://pokepast.es/b01ef36dd8602db6

[edgy obsidian]

Yeah, true

[fierce basin]

Actually maybe make one of the teras fly

Cause I fucked up n gave u no ground resist

[fierce basin]

With these changes u prob need waterpon

Which gives you a ground resist and now a water immune since I took ur alo

[edgy obsidian]

Here we go
https://pokepast.es/5ca0379fc09daa11

[fierce basin]

Good, if trailblaze doesn't work out just go back to whip or horn leech

This is the best version so far imo. Sorry I wasn't at my computer to do the paste

[merry lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/fbcccdca9eb57090
I'm tryna build some kind of balance scizor team, is this good?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

This is singles ou

[analog latch]

Nevermind then

[calm ether]

https://pokepast.es/86026149a5ca07c7 wanted to do something with ttar

[ashen flower]

https://pokepast.es/95e87fe0d8816fb5 How’s this look? Any advice? I’m considering putting Tusk’s HP into Atk and dropping knock for ice spinner, and swapping sneak for cc on Ceruledge

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[primal swan]

https://pokepast.es/e2d97b8777727549 belibolt rain team as discovering the frog as a hidden gem + just scouting opinions to see what could be done better (sap sipper azu tricks oger and rilla into free attack boosts)

[forest magnet]

I would strongly suggest Zapdos over Belibolt. Belibolt might have more power, but Zapdos has the better typing, resisting Grass naturally (you can run a power ability on Azu) as well as Zapdos being faster so it can threaten more things.

Also, you have some odd sets, so i'll fix that and send u a paste

[forest magnet]

@brisk cedar

can u take this one?

[forest magnet]

i'll take this one

[primal swan]

Alr thx

[brisk cedar]

I'm trying to think of how to keep ttar without scrapping a ton of the team but

[fierce basin]

Hard to justify ttar rn it'll be easier in a couple weeks tho

Is anyone doing nitro's

[brisk cedar]

Matte is

[fierce basin]

Oh im illiterate

Good thing I asked first

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/78cdfd1e7e72ae09 swapped Azu for Oger, give more speed control for this team + stronger power, swapped Belibolt for Zapdos to help with the Rillaboom matchup, swapped Basculegion for Barraskewda for good speedcontroll when rain is down and to beat other rain teams. Then swapped Walking Wake for Gren for more speed (they do pmuch the same thing)

[brisk cedar]

the ttar doesn't really do much for the team and it loses to so many common mons, I think it's a sample moment

[primal swan]

Real

[forest magnet]

👍

[brisk cedar]

!gen9ousamples

The Tyranitar doesn't really fit on a team like this and the team would require to be mostly scrapped in order to make it fit.

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/cbe99fdf061d92bd swapped H-Samu for Glimorra for a better hazard lead, Swapped Cerulege for Ogerpon as it provides more consistency (ur sash isn't broken by rocks etc...) and it gets knock off for enabling the hazards that glimorra set already, made gholdengo a bit more defensive, and swapped booster for boots on tusk to have a better webs matchup. also made gambit full bulk

[ashen flower]

thanks

i'd like to build a team around ceruledge at least

any advice for that?

[forest magnet]

try using it on sun with hatterene to support it (bounces hazards back)

[ashen flower]

alright

[jagged mortar]

How does this look? I was trying to create a balance team https://pokepast.es/b95f09748b4dc050

[high pier]

Meowscarada shiuld have protean

Or does it run overgrow instead

[brisk cedar]

Overgrow is better

[high pier]

I had a feeling that prolly was the case

[rain gyro]

overgrow is better for non-choice

[delicate warren]

5 choices, 1 king

[shy garden]

Why will it be better in a couple weeks? Sorry

[forest magnet]

DLC 2 will be dropping, meaning there will be a new meta.

[edgy obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/5e4686d73f9a38b8

Version 11 of my Scale Shot Garchomp team
I have been doing a LOT of experimenting

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[edgy obsidian]

Actually this is 12

Lemme fix it

Or was it 14-

Fixed it

[shy garden]

o yeah duh, I forgot the dlc drops so soon

Just something Im messing with, was thinking of a change. Maybe dondozo drop for Ogerpon or something. But some fixes would be appreciated. Only sinistcha needs to remain https://pokepast.es/16b056c43fd715b4

[spiral fable]

you have 4 1/2 sweepers and then 1 1/2 defensive mons, and I would recommend just fully dedicating to the HO team
Webs would work best here imo: your main threats are val and moth who still outspeed at +1, but webs handles both
Drop moltres for ribombee
Switch ghold to air balloon with psyshock
Swap ogerpon to powerwhip
Swap val for moth
And you're good to go

[edgy obsidian]

For Iron Moth, what set do you recommend?

I like Energy Ball and Agility, but Dazzling Gleam and Substitute can be good too

[spiral fable]

no need for agility when speed booster allwos you to outspeed everything after webs

I recommend fiery dgleam psychic sub

with tera fairy

alternatively energy ball with tera grass also works

[edgy obsidian]

One question, but why not Sludge Bomb/Wave on one of the slots?

Ik it's probably due to coverage, but just asking

[spiral fable]

doesn't really hit anything

[edgy obsidian]

Fair enough

[spiral fable]

all you hit is clef and enamorus, both of which fiery handles fine

o yeah and wellspring

but imo the coverage from dazzling is more useful

/energy ball

[forest magnet]

dazzling hits dpult

[spiral fable]

o yeah that exist

[shy garden]

realize I posted the wrong one, edited to correct if anyone wants to take a crack at the edit

[shy garden]

Possibly -Dondozo -Garchomp +Ting Liu/Heatran +Dragonite was something I was thinking

[thin gorge]

can somwone rmt https://pokepast.es/dc9d7dff65217650

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud gull]

av chomp is not good

Esp when ur using blissey , just make chomp sd and ur good

Also go grass dozo to help with ogerpon

[thin gorge]

is clef even needed then?

[cloud gull]

Prob not , u can go scarf enam over clef for some speed control

Also this kinda loses rillaboom , I would change blissey to slowking g to have a slightly better mu

[thin gorge]

alr

av??

[cloud gull]

no boots

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/5eb1f5e57cdb1861 this is it now

any minor changes>

like tera / moves

[cloud gull]

this looks good ,change loaded dice to lefties on chomp imo u don't really need 4-5 scale hits , test it on ladder and lmk if u need more help

[thin gorge]

are there any better sweepers than chomp

it fails to kill much

[cloud blade]

I have a good fun team for u

@shy garden https://pokepast.es/14a2d7ee8385debd
Optional changes u can make based on preference:
-roost over espeed if ur feeling frisky
-knock over twave if u wanna lean slightly more hazard stack
-protect also if u want funnier heatran

Its basically that core

But with mons that do slightly different things

Something like this style of team doesnt need hazard control, you have 1-2 choices mons who take nuetral from rocks, but other then that ur already bootspam, and thats ignoring the matchup against just the move moonblast… (looking at your original team at least)

[cloud gull]

U can try ogerpon wellspring

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/8c63f048848295cf

[forest magnet]

on it

[umbral adder]

actually @forest magnet made a couple changes

[forest magnet]

resend paste then

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/f12f1da5591b8450

[shy garden]

Thanks man!

That looks fun and I will add it for sure

But I am definitely looking for a solid sinistcha team

[umbral adder]

@forest magnet hows the rate goin?

no rush btw just curious

[forest magnet]

working on it

do u still wanna keep scarf samu?

or can a change things around

[umbral adder]

i like hitting pult but if you think somethin else better than sure

[forest magnet]

k

[dreamy needle]

gm yalls

https://pokepast.es/6c23f27875aa3c5b

Grassy Surge Offense team

I feel pretty good about it but no fighting resist is bugging me a little bit

[umbral adder]

im not a rater but wouldnt dnite just be a better espeed user than arcanine

[dreamy needle]

i like the burst damage of flare blitz and head smash

its kinda spammable

[umbral adder]

so is ddance espeed tho

[dreamy needle]

yea but this seems alot more immediate yk

[forest magnet]

bro where are my other raters

[cloud gull]

if u want a fighting resist prob can go lucha over corv , compliments the offense aswell

Personally I don't like arcanine but it's a fun pick for sure

[dreamy needle]

can i use lucha as a defogger?

[forest magnet]

thx vk

[cloud gull]

No

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/53c517a176a328b9 sorry for taking so long, was a bit unsure how i wanted to build the core

i made clef spd to support glowking which tends to get overwhelmed, swapped dnite for garg for better passive damage, also to support tusk now that clef is spd, made dengo more defensive too.

also just swapped around the tera type

[umbral adder]

what should rocks be replaced by on clef?

since garg

[forest magnet]

oops i meant to make garg ID

Garganacl @ Leftovers
Ability: Purifying Salt
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Salt Cure
• Recover

this

[umbral adder]

just curious so i get a better idea of how to build teams how come we scrapped dnite

[forest magnet]

because it only really added value as a sweeper besides its 4x resist to grass

so u where playing w 5 mons untill its time 2 sweep

[umbral adder]

can i go ghost on garg?

also ive never understood dark on dengo

[forest magnet]

dark is to resist dark + ghost

also immunity so psychic

[dreamy needle]

hol up

thoughts on neutralizing gas weezing

so i can defog on gholdengo

• the grassy terrain weakens eq

[cloud gull]

u can try that for sure

[cloud blade]

@dreamy needle u might wanna drop arcanine for boots ace, unburden lucha over corv, then like heatran over lu, it just gives you more offensive pressure, and lu doesnt like terrain, and without spikes whirlwind can end up not being very effective

Lu likes healing but with ruination terrain makes you self sabotage yourself

[dreamy needle]

aight

bet ill try it

[cloud blade]

Good luck

[dreamy needle]

ngl im kinda hesitant cuz thats half of my mons but i trust you 😭

[cloud blade]

Well they were just suggestions

[ocean pumice]

https://pokepast.es/e62bd76d1b2b2fff

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp, @cloud gull. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ocean pumice]

RIP sneasler

I don't build gterrain so it might be bad

[fierce basin]

Booster tusk over ghold

[ocean pumice]

set?

the bulk up one?

[fierce basin]

Yeah bulk up eq ice spinner rapid spin ino

Imo

Either that or tera water seed hatt

[ocean pumice]

i think ill go with the tusk

[fierce basin]

Yeah hatt has more overlap w the yea

Tea

I also prefer banded rilla, you cannot run glideless

I think banded rilla is one of the best mons out rn

Band w glide over drum beating and hammer over drain punch

If ur gonna keep extender still run glide

Sorry I replied to you on mobile so I can't give you an updated paste

[ocean pumice]

ok ok

[fierce basin]

Lastly I'd probably put 96 speed evs on sinistcha to outpace max speed gambit

[ocean pumice]

just lost to that so probably a good call

[fierce basin]

Mb I was checking the speed tier LOL

Spdef tran is also an option to consider if ghosts give you grief

[fierce basin]

Also ur not unburden Hawlucha fix that