#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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west harbor
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life orb cinderace has poor bulk too, is rocks weak, and takes chip every time it attacks so it doesn’t have longevity

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most playstyles need that, but stall doesn’t

crisp thorn
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okay okay good to know

west harbor
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like i said, stall is a very specific playstyle where you win through only passive damage and outlasting your opponent with fat mons + usually regenerator so they cannot break it

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this would be a good idea to try - voltage has built a lot of stalls and knows the playstyle really well, so trying this will give you an understanding of what it means and how to play it

crisp thorn
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ill try it once im done with dealing with my friend but i just wanted to see how i should fix my team cuz another thing i saw was blissey would just get taken out super easily while the sacrificial lamb i had did most of the work

west harbor
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i don’t think that your team as it stands would work without redoing the whole thing

crisp thorn
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sorry if im asking alot of questions i just wanna know what im doing wrong

west harbor
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that’s why im suggesting to take a sample team and try that

crisp thorn
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oki

west harbor
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that will help you understand more about team composition and how high level teams play

crisp thorn
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oki tysm

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and have a wonderful day

west harbor
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you too

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i’d also recommend trying out different styles on the samples too not just stall so you get a variety ^^

polar hedge
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Might go gambit over Cinder just bc King is busted

shell stag
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https://pokepast.es/d0229df9957e9c4b
I'm trying to make another variant of a team that already worked before.
This time i want to try out Iron Jugulis. What tera type should i use on it? Should i also use knock off as a 4th move instead of taunt?

What's the best moveset for an SD Val for this team? im thinking about tera blast ghost (or shadow claw).

thanks

polar hedge
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Taunt is probs good if it’s on ho as knock is better if your going to be using it over the course of the game to make slow progress which is not how ho plays

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Val should be max atk Ada

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I don’t particularly see the point of shadow claw or terra blast ghost the current set seems fine

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No coverage wellspring pon is interesting at the least

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But if you prefer ecore I won’t stop you from following your dreams

forest magnet
# shell stag https://pokepast.es/d0229df9957e9c4b I'm trying to make another variant of a tea...

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/love-flew-away-booster-spam-offense-ft-tinkaton-and-iron-jugulis-peaked-1.3730848/#post-9852605

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Check out this video by the wonderful Jimothy Cool covering my team. Thank you Jimothy.

love flew away

Hey all, it's leng loi back with another RMT. I know I just posted earlier this week but I peaked rank 1 with a really cool team on my suspect alt and I've gotten permission to post a...

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Here is a Iron Jug teams. It peaked no1 so its pretty good.

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I would suggest using that if u want to play w jug

forest magnet
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or more balance

polar hedge
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More balanced

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But I put sneasler on it because it’s a stupid fucking asshole mon

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I replaced cinder with Molt

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Might make ghold boots

forest magnet
polar hedge
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I have that team

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💀

forest magnet
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yeah use that its 10x better

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i would generally say stick to balance

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or ho

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no in between

polar hedge
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Sneasel is just the sweeper

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Kind of like a king but it provides zero defensive utility

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Idk I like it rn

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Will continue testing and see how it goes

forest magnet
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king does provide defensive utility btw

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if ur playing balacnce, you want every mon to contribute

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why play w 5 mons untill the endgame if we can use smtn that provides vaule the entire game

polar hedge
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also this team was inspired by this lax 6 which he brought to a recent tour finals and won with

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forest magnet
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outdated meta

polar hedge
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Ope mb

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Idk I want to use Snealer but also not just get fucked by boots spam

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Which Ho tends to do

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It’s been working so far at around 1550-1600’s

silk hamlet
polar hedge
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Cool af team

silk hamlet
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@forest magnet @west harbor didnt ev this properly yet but is this a nice 6?

forest magnet
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i'll get it

silk hamlet
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was also considering knocker clef for it to be less hatt food

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but wish has been nice

forest magnet
silk hamlet
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fair enough

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i just wanted to try the old set + scald

forest magnet
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you could swap boots on wake for scarf if u need speedcontrol tbh

silk hamlet
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ive been fine with speed

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i check the speedy shit well enough to not care

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and have double priority and ace

forest magnet
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i swapped for ace

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things like val tear ur apart if rilla is chipped

west harbor
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idt the old set is as good rn because knock is a broken move and if you’re not running knock then roar is gonna be less effective anyway

silk hamlet
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fair enough ig

west harbor
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a lot more teams are 3-5 boots users now so you’re gonna get less mileage out of spikes forced switches

forest magnet
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yeah boots + knock is prob best set on wake rn

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or specs + knock

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it got buffed p good so thats good for new teambuilding ideas

silk hamlet
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i havent rly used non specs wake in general

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just wanted to give another set a shot

polar hedge
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How about this

forest magnet
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i'll get u a set

polar hedge
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But hazards

forest magnet
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glimm is bad on gterrain bc u have 2 leads

polar hedge
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Oh wait

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Boots spam lmao hazards do nothing

polar hedge
west harbor
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what’s the goal with shuca ghold over something like balloon?

forest magnet
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HPDARKEAGLE (Manaphy) @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 228 HP / 252 SpA / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Acid Armor
  • Take Heart
  • Stored Power
  • Scald
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don't mind the nick

forest magnet
polar hedge
forest magnet
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bc eq is alr weakened

polar hedge
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Ok

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Think shuca is funny against offensive tusk

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But balloon is probs better

west harbor
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balloon switches in better honestly because if they headlong rush into balloon switch you take 0 but if shuca switches into headlong than then the berry is gone and next hit you die

forest magnet
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^ this

west harbor
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you probably stay in vs it better but you’re a worse switch and balloon is less niche + covers spikes too

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i also wouldn’t tera elec val in gliscor meta

polar hedge
polar hedge
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Tf should I be terra fly?

west harbor
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what are you hitting with stab tbolt?

polar hedge
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Anything that resits Mb

west harbor
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fairy is good if you want superstab moonblast which is what you click most of the time

polar hedge
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Ok

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Ig I’ll run that then

polar hedge
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Rilla and ?

west harbor
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it kinda makes sense to hit ghold bc i think you’re really ghold weak but you could just go gambit over zama to help with that mu honestly

polar hedge
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Ok

forest magnet
polar hedge
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Oh

forest magnet
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mana gives better value in a sweeper

polar hedge
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Ic

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Makes sense

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Time to get on that ladder grind

shell stag
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How useful is tera flying Val?

polar hedge
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Not very

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@forest magnet what could I put over Mana

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It just is fucking useless against Waterpon

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Which is everywhere on ladder

forest magnet
polar hedge
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I don’t have a zama

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It’s Kinggambit

shell stag
forest magnet
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this is the team w talking about

shell stag
polar hedge
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No

polar hedge
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This team bc Attum says I was gold weak af

shell stag
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Doesnt the gambit counter the Gholdengo?

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you could also patch up that with tera elec Val

forest magnet
polar hedge
woeful plume
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woeful plume
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anything I should change?

spiral fable
# woeful plume https://pokepast.es/5f6f0dcbe360926e

A lot of this team doesn't fit the archetype: Zapdos, Greninja, and Tusk aren't HO mons, I don't know why you're running cloak ghold, and val's high speed isn't really necessary on webs.
I would recommend you run a sample team for now, here's a really good webs team built by matte(another rater here)
https://pokepast.es/340f4717173068e0
And here's the forum post
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jealousy-got-reqs-three-times-peaked-1889-no-50.3730667/#post-9852832

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SV OU - JEALOUSY (GOT REQS THREE TIMES + PEAKED 1889 No. 50)

INTRO:
:sv/manaphy::sv/kingambit::sv/ribombee::sv/gholdengo::sv/iron-moth::sv/Ogerpon-wellspring:

Hey, I said I was going to be back in my last RMT, and boy...we are so back. When the DLC dropped, I noticed the new Webs setter Ribombee. Its high Speed tier allows it to be the almost the best...

cloud blade
fierce basin
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page not found

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ok i see

cloud blade
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i forgot to fix the heatran set

fierce basin
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can u post the real link

cloud blade
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Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Body Press
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Steel Beam
  • Stealth Rock this is the fixed one
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oh wait did i break it

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there

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i kinda chucked pult on at the end cuz i didnt know what to put

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it was between pult or stallbreaker ghold

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a dedicated stallbreaker ghold probably woulda been better

fierce basin
# cloud blade https://pokepast.es/d5b742a2b6a568c7

I'd make your rillaboom bulkier, it generally clicks grassy glide and slow uturn is good anyway as well as the additional hp healed from the terrain
you need to take steel beam off of heatran, you can't kill that guy it's your only iron moth check he kills everyone else. wisp is alright I guess on balloon but you need to slot earth power. Changed spread and set cause body press is ass, I've tried to run body press for bisharp in gen 8 like a brainlet myself and it literally doesnt even kill
cant say I understand grassy seed on the uturn scizor, you already have a steel I think you're better off w smth like manaphy or ogerpon or even a max speed low kick gambit so you aren't as weak to it
sneasler shouldnt be full speed. You should be investing in bulk since unburden does a lot of heavy lifting
hatterene should be bold w bulk invest instead of special attack and special defense invest and a special attack boosting nature (it calm minds)
dragapult is fine but idk why you have curse on a set that doesn't want to kill itself, wisp hex draco is fine, last move should be darts
updated paste https://pokepast.es/ea6a46bd1b30812b
other options:
max speed low kick kingambit over the encore ogerpon so you have a solid kingambit answer other than outplay (booster bulk up tusk over hatt also works for this)
stored power on hatt over psyshock
hf

cloud blade
quick bluff
lethal surge
fierce basin
# lethal surge Any issues with team? https://pokepast.es/ed9785efb0249144

cb rillaboom doesn't need full speed imo, you can invest some in bulk since it benefits from the grassy terrain healing/has prio anyway/slow uturn is good
unburden sneasler doesn't need full speed invest since it's already so fast. Changed your spread
I think balloon should go on heatran and gholdengo should go, you don't have hazards to keep up and you can stallbreak by putting sd on ogerpon. Would make it pult or max speed low kick gambit
I don't really get what zapdos is doing so I made it a grassy seed hatterene instead so you can pretend to have hazard control
updated paste https://pokepast.es/82e0aa1630bbaefe
hope this helps

fierce basin
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except idk why u got spdef lando w sub uturn make it a balloon heatran

fierce basin
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Sorry but we only do full teams

brisk cedar
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I like rillaboom to outspeed standard defensive gliscor

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237 outspeeds nuetral zapdos

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Wait the 52 speed ks the wrong spread

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It should hit 227

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Kino Der Toten (Rillaboom) @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Wood Hammer
  • Grassy Glide
  • U-turn
  • Knock Off/Drain Punch
brisk cedar
naive stirrup
placid remnant
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Ogerpon can't 6-0 on its own but its double STAB water/grass forces opponent To tera, for example, dondozo tera dragon, then you can clean with kingambit tera fairy or stuffs like this

naive stirrup
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Hmm

placid remnant
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Idk if this is what you were asking for bc I didn't look at spidget's message yet

random wolf
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polar hedge
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@fierce basin

fierce basin
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Wow a ping just for me wow

polar hedge
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Yes because your my bestie owo :3

fierce basin
# polar hedge https://pokepast.es/1c22e6e05077fea6

If u want a team w garg glisc val that beats balance id check out that stads RMT that came out last night w that double trick shit. Looked good he got rank 1 and went 30-0 in reqs
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/4g-for-everyone-a-bulky-balance-hstack-team-peaked-1-1983.3730999/

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4G for everyone - A bulky balance hstack team (Peaked #1, 1983)

Stads here with a basic RMT, gotta flaunt the #1 peak while you can. It's a team I quite enjoy playing and hopefully will help anyone looking to play a more defensive, bulky team in this meta. It's also somewhat shamelessly ripped off an almost year-old sample team from ayevon in the wild...

polar hedge
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Oh Ty

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Might go Spiner tusk over knock

upper maple
polar hedge
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@fierce basin

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The team you gave me gets fucking deleted by rilla

fierce basin
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Shouldn't protect lefties full physdef garg just let rilla kill itself w wood hammer

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Does look annoying tho

polar hedge
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It doesn’t

fierce basin
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It does 60-71 and you get back 12% per turn. U only lose if it tera grasses

polar hedge
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?

fierce basin
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Yeah I mean terad dude

polar hedge
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Oh

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I forgor I had terra

fierce basin
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Ok next time Ctrl f on the RMT

polar hedge
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Ctrl F what

fierce basin
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Whatever ur question is "rillaboom" in this case

polar hedge
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Ah

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Also CM sub enam

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Just takes a massive shit all over that team

upper maple
polar hedge
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@fierce basin

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can you give this mans a rate please

fierce basin
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bro pls i am typing

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im doing my darndest ok

polar hedge
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okie mb

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luv u

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would have pinged matte

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but i think hes asleep

fierce basin
# upper maple https://pokepast.es/1d364efa25b3850f

this team is very weak to a lot, pult, moth, val, and I don't really get why you have conflicting stuff like ceaseless edge x rocks tusk x cinderace court change, as well as a bunch of boots when this team should be maintaining momentum and hopefully not letting hazards up.
If you're going to run offense you should replace the cinderace with a dedicated lead like glimm. It's hard not to in current meta, if you want an offensive oriented team without a suicide lead it prob has to be grassy terrain
make your samurott a kingambit
replace your zapdos with a booster moth for speed control (it's still a rillaboom switchin i assume thats what ur going for)
make tusk booster bulk up
make gholdengo balloon so you can spin block more efficiently, kept it offensive but a bulkier spread is also fine
personally i'd run encore over knock off on ogerpon but i guess knock is fine if you dont like encore
https://pokepast.es/42e8797139565041 paste w ch anges
other options:
tera ghost on iron moth to beat blisseys that only have toss (i stopped putting this on all my moths cause they generally run shadow ball now for psyshock gold)
bulkier ghold spread
bulkier kingambit is also fine here
hope this helps glhf

polar hedge
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holly shit sorry for interupting your essay

upper maple
fierce basin
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oh youre right im starting to lose my mind sorry I might crawl back into bed

upper maple
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No big deal

fierce basin
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the rest should still be applicable

polar hedge
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Running ace without cc is just a bad pokemon tbh

uneven musk
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polar hedge
# uneven musk https://pokepast.es/ae9a4377935e6959 RMT? My take on Webs HO. Pretty standard ar...

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jealousy-got-reqs-three-times-peaked-1889-no-50.3730667/

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SV OU - JEALOUSY (GOT REQS THREE TIMES + PEAKED 1889 No. 50)

INTRO:
:sv/manaphy::sv/kingambit::sv/ribombee::sv/gholdengo::sv/iron-moth::sv/Ogerpon-wellspring:

Hey, I said I was going to be back in my last RMT, and boy...we are so back. When the DLC dropped, I noticed the new Webs setter Ribombee. Its high Speed tier allows it to be the almost the best...

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use this

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its Matte Webs

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good team

uneven musk
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TY!

polar hedge
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np

forest magnet
polar hedge
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its also your same 6 just more optimized

polar hedge
glossy egret
polar hedge
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Those issues being Spikes+Court change and also Magic Bounce

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It’s just going in too many directions all at once

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I don’t have the link to the samples ahhh

glossy egret
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oops my cinderace shoul have taunt not court change mb

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whats wrong with magic bounce?

polar hedge
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Mb+Cc was weird

spiral fable
# glossy egret i was wondering if i could get any criticism on this pokemon showdown team im ki...

Your only hazard setter is scarf Hamurott which fell off hard, Eject Button hatterene is used as a quick pivot/healing wish sac which doesn't fit on this team, your only methods of hazard control are court change and magic bounce hatterene both of which are unreliable, fully offensive gliscor is a waste of a gliscor ngl, your team structure is strange(I can't tell if this is meant to be Bullky Offense or Hyper Offense, as it doesn't fit either play style)
Use a sample team for now, and get a feel for the meta

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT
polar hedge
spiral fable
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You didn't explain most of his issues

polar hedge
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I didn’t know the command tho thanks

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Oh mb

spiral fable
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Court Change with spikes along isn't a bad thing necessarily, nor is magic bounce

polar hedge
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Thanks for explaining better : D

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I was doing smth else on the side so I was kinda distracted

spiral fable
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His issue is that he has no removal, bounce is unreliable due to his hatterene being the pivot set, and court change can only keep off hazards for so long

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And honestly that's not even his big issue, the bigger issue is that his mons don't synergize well together and he doesn't have a proper team structure

polar hedge
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That’s what I said

polar hedge
spiral fable
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Yeah, but you should explain it more indepth

polar hedge
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Ok will do next time blobsalute

glossy egret
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the dragapult is ok though?

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im a little confused on how i can make a team that synergizes well?

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like how do i do that

polar hedge
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Use a sample and learn more about the meta and team building as a whole eventually it will click

edgy obsidian
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https://pokepast.es/119a418cd8d03a3d

A Grassy Seed Sneasler team I made. I've been using similar teams quite a lot.
I'm not really sure if I need to say anything else or do anything else or if I did something wrong I read the rulesI'msorry-

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forest magnet
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i'll get it

forest magnet
polar hedge
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Terra fighting cloak Ghold is crazy

edgy obsidian
velvet path
edgy obsidian
spiral fable
# velvet path https://pokepast.es/f47451316d926494

Seems like you tried to go for a bulky offense team, but it doesn't really work as you kinda just stacked 4 slightly bulky setup mons and called it a day, when you'd also want a pivot/support mon/immediate power(specs/band)/scarfer, instead of just ho but with two hazard setters instead of one
I would recommend using a sample team for now, here's a good bo built by Finch and Piyush https://pokepast.es/2039eb0f092a7116
And here's the link to the rest

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!gen9ousamples

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forest magnet
jade gorge
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polar hedge
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this team is rlly fucking stupid but i like it

spiral fable
polar hedge
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it was orignally from home

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and had masq

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It was still bad then lmao

spiral fable
jade gorge
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ur right about cinderace though

spiral fable
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o yeah swap val's set for the cm set up sweeper

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you already have a good mixed attacker in pult and you need more spattackers

jade gorge
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does cm valiant use encore?

spiral fable
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You can

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It's up to you if you want to run coverage, encore, or even hypnosis if you want to gamble

jade gorge
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ok, ty <33

shut mortar
viral sableBOT
forest magnet
spiral fable
# shut mortar Hi can i get some evaluation for this team around moltres-galar . Ty for u kindn...

Most of these sets don't work, especially moltres galar.
MGalar ironically can't take a hit anyways, and the only move realistically proccing that weakness policy would be moonblast from Val which knocks you into easy sucker punch range. Without the weakness policy, it doesn't have the power to break anything, and many other mons would do its role better.
Valiant without booster is a waste, especially since it's boots for some weird reason.
Eject Pack Tusk doesn't fit on this team, especially since it's your only form of hazard control outside of magic bounce hatterne
Eject Button Hatterene is used as a quick pseudo pivot when the mon you need to pivot out doesn't have a switch move, like Indeedee or Torkoal. This role is not necessary on your team, and can be replaced for much better pivot mons that can last for longer.
Manaphy is just better Greninja rn
Heatran doesn't work well without grassy terrain support, which this team lacks.
You also don't seem to have a real team structure in mind: Is this meant to be bulky offense? Hyper Offense? Why do you have Heatran as a setter but then 4 offensive mons and a suicide pivot?
Overall, I would run a sample, as this team feels pretty lost. Refer to the link above to find the forum post

polar hedge
forest magnet
# shut mortar Hi can i get some evaluation for this team around moltres-galar . Ty for u kindn...

If you want to use some double dance, I would advise using Double Dance Gliscor instead of Moltres-Galar. Its a far more solid pick as it has passive recovery (heals when setting up/sweeping) meaning that its hard to revenge kill and is bulkier in general so it can get setup easier. I'll be linking a screens team that has Double Dance Gliscor. It works as trying to get your sweepers in and with the added bulk they can setup easier. Gliscor is a prime example for this as it abuses the screens the most (healing + screens.)

austere field
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Suggestions?

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austere field
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It just feels like it’s missing something but I can’t put my finger on it

high pier
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Acrobatics on alolamola is odd as

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I geel like.it'd want to run protect

rain gyro
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i remember alomomola acrobatics had a use

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pinkacross came up with it

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i just dont know what it is lmao

forest magnet
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i got it guys

rain gyro
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oki

austere field
austere field
forest magnet
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mola

austere field
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Oh

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But now I’m gonna have trouble with setup stuff

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This was nice to force them out

shut mortar
forest magnet
elfin relic
spiral fable
# elfin relic Hey im pretty bad at making teams overall, could someone critique this sun team ...

This team isn't really salvagable
Ceruledge is too frail, especially without a sash to keep it alive long enough for weak armor to proc, and gets folded by opposing gambit sucker punch/other priority moves
Cinderace really doesn't fit on a sun team, there are better offensive mons and you don't need the utility of court change or a pivot
Wake is alright, but you'd want an offensive tera, and flip turn over pulse
No point in running bulky tusk on a sun team, which is meant to be all offense
Not only is gambit harmed by sun boosting fire moves, you have thunder wave on it for some reason
Sun as a whole isn't in the best spot rn after the ban of Moon, and I would recommend you run a sample team for now instead.

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!gen9ousamples

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lilac fossil
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sly mauve
lilac fossil
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on god

fierce basin
# lilac fossil https://pokepast.es/5e0b09892e82d9ad

Hi, you look 1 off h.o tbh so I'd start by replacing the odd man out slowking-galar here with a ribombee to make thundurus more viable
next, if you're gonna pick a ground type to try to sub on gliscor(?) I'd go with lando w taunt instead
I don't think your team is or was weak to garg tbh so I'm replacing covert cloak on ghold with a balloon to keep webs up longer
now that you're webs I don't think you need scarf samurott anymore, so I made it broken waterpon instead
Making your tusk booster energy aswell as hp+speed invest w bulk up
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/6419bda56fa4ef18
other options:
a bulkier ghold spread for increased longevity aka potentially keeping webs up longer
suicide lead glimm, but I thought webs was the best way to make specs thundurus work
if you get sick of thundurus you can replace it w iron moth so you have a t spike absorber
i hope this helps, gl and hf

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Also ghold should be tera fairy def not tera fight but I already crawled back into bed

gilded crane
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i am the chef

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this webs team i dont think is anything too shabby

high pier
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That glim set is crazy

lethal surge
west harbor
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i don’t really think that glimmora fits here that much, especially with this set. with hyper offense teams, you’re really choosing to either have a webs team or a glimm lead team. having both on the same team means that you’re pretty much limited to 4 slots for the actual winning

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this set is also a lot more passive than the normal lead one bc you need to use acid spray to really damage anything and you’re also walled by tusk, which can just spin away your webs And tspikes. boots also means you just die to gliscor eq after you use acid spray on it so you can’t really take advantage of it. i gave you iron moth for similar poison typing + special attacker but faster and able to snowball much more effectively with firey dance

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i think that instead of running hsamurott + cornerstone, that role of water type breaker can be compressed into wellspring. grass/rock is a worse typing especially if you tera into pure rock. ceaseless edge spikes seem good on paper but webs teams play a lot faster so you won’t really get much out of them that the sped reduction of webs doesn’t already give. with those 2 slots combined you can run kingambit which is absolutely busted on webs

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i also changed ghold from tera fighting to fairy for overall better defensive typing - fighting just makes you weak to valiant for no reason while fairy is neutral and also resists sucker

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another option is to use matte’s webs rmt instead which is manaphy > ceruledge which imo is better but you have the flexibility to try either https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jealousy-got-reqs-three-times-peaked-1889-no-50.3730667/

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INTRO:
:sv/manaphy::sv/kingambit::sv/ribombee::sv/gholdengo::sv/iron-moth::sv/Ogerpon-wellspring:

Hey, I said I was going to be back in my last RMT, and boy...we are so back. When the DLC dropped, I noticed the new Webs setter Ribombee. Its high Speed tier allows it to be the almost the best...

west harbor
# lethal surge https://pokepast.es/9869a8177897328f Needed to build around hisuan samuratt set

this reminds me a lot of pre dlc which is kinda nice. samurott rn is pretty outclassed offensively by wellspring and as a spiker by gliscor. i think what you can do is drop samurott for wellspring (faster, better typing especially with tera and +1 spd) and then go spikes on gliscor. teams don’t really need rocks as much anymore so just having spikes as only hazard is totally fine

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another more optional change is to just go boots enam over scarf. you don’t have removal here (and its pretty awkward to fit without reworking almost all of this) so you’re gonna struggle to come in and revenge kill stuff when rocks are up. its a bit of a trade off bc you lose speed control for more consistency with enam. you could also try cm booster valiant for another speed option if you wanted, or boots hex dragapult that works pretty well with gliscor too

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i understand you wanna build around samurott but it really struggles rn, especially the sash lead set you’re using which means after it’s got spikes up you’re playing with 5 mons

slender prairie
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slender prairie
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im not sure how much not having hazard removal impacts me so im considering putting rapid spin on tusk

polar hedge
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Rib should be sash

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Also just use matte webs

fierce basin
# slender prairie https://pokepast.es/ab6df11ee9a79f25 tried to make a bulky offense team

when you say bulky offense, does that mean you're against using a suicide lead? because ribombee's general purpose is to get up webs and die, so it should be sash over boots, as well as shield dust ability so you can avoid secondary effects. uturn is pointless cause you don't want to switch, you need psychic for glimmora leads. also putting on skill swap incase you run into a hatterene. tera steel to block glimmora mortal spin
imo you should put your ghold on a balloon to keep webs up longer since you have no ground immune, as well as take off t wave for recover (you already have webs anyway)
If you're going to run offensive heatran I'd just run iron moth, this also gives you a t spike absorber incase those go down since all your guys touch the ground.
I agree you could use rapid spin on tusk just incase, so I'm replacing close combat on tusk w spin. ground/ice coverage is sufficient. I also made you tera poison for toxic immunity
you have earthquake on rillaboom which makes no sense because rillaboom sets grassy terrain which weakens eq. made it knock off
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/c3041d7d23bfd850
other options: replacing rillaboom with something like waterpon, rillaboom already has priority and you dont have like, a sneasler or anything so waterpon may fit the team better
double dance manaphy if ur a bad person, but I think your tail glow set is fine
you can go with a bulkier ghold spread if you find yourself having trouble keeping webs up but it isnt rly necessary
with webs support you can afford to go with special attack boosting moth, just kept it speed booster so you have some speed control
glhf, hope this helps lmk if you have questions

slender prairie
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ah thanks, im a bit off on the meta so stuff like that ribombee set helps me out a ton

fierce basin
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no problem glad it's a help

slender prairie
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also why tera poison on tusk and fairy on gholdengo?

fierce basin
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I made tusk tera poison to flip the fairy/grass typing matchup as well as toxic immunity. I like to make my gholds fairy as an emergency sucker punch resist but it isnt necessary. If you were using tera ghost offensively it's a fine option and you can put it back. just wasnt sure cause a lot of your original paste seemed to have default teras

slender prairie
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i'll try it out to see how it plays, thanks!

fierce basin
austere field
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I need some way to break stall

forest magnet
# austere field https://pokepast.es/aab4b2f0ad5d55dd

https://pokepast.es/d9405ded26d5f575 I swapped Pult for wake, it has access to knock + strong spa hits so it forces in things like blissey (bait then use knock). made clefable spd, its more effective as a spd wall. made madibuzz a phys def wall, it can check big threats like ogerpon wellspring (at +2 + tera water). swapped jirachi for zamazenta so you can capitilize of the weakned walls like dozo as well as good speed control out of scarf wake and cinder.

polar hedge
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Taunt knock hurricane earth powe juggy

austere field
polar hedge
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Ez stall breaker

forest magnet
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it still has cinder, gambit, clef, mandi

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i just swapped 2 mons

austere field
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Where did jirachi go

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😭

forest magnet
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swapped

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its not the best rn

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would u like me to expain my changes?

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or no

austere field
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Sure

forest magnet
austere field
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Damn thank you

forest magnet
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np hope it helped

brisk cedar
forest magnet
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dragon pulse?

brisk cedar
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I was just saying you changed on knock wake

forest magnet
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but on sun, i would run flame > knock

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me personally

severe glade
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spiral fable
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this is the ou rmt channel lol

spiral fable
severe glade
quick bluff
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was tryna build a balance with spdef defog conkeldurr (defogger that answers ghold)

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but the team has a few flaws and not sure exactly how to fix them

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noting a dire lack of a fairy resist especially

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any criticism is helpful

quick bluff
thin ether
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decided to cook a new team

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did I burn the food?

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I wanted something to abuse screens

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gambit has actually done the least on this team

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iron treads is a kind of anti lead

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I'm gonna switch volt switch for earth power

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mostly cus I forgot to

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but treads can steel beam on ribombee and then spin away webs

hybrid wharf
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would heavy slam be a better option over steel beam?

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oh wait, i see the 252 SpA now

thin ether
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yeah haha

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it's not attacking

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it's special attacking

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okay I've played like 10 games with the team and never sent out gambit

golden wasp
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Made it to 1.4k for the first time with this team

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golden wasp
spiral fable
# thin ether https://pokepast.es/d91699557ed62d09

Drop mamoswine, it's too slow even after a trailblaze and there's better mons
Drop Treads, you don't need a second lead when you have screens tails
Swap moth's set for the speed booster with sub, abuses screens much better
Swap gambit's tera to tera flying
Add Double Dance manaphy
For the last mon, you can either slot on iron defense zenta or wellspring, that's up to you
https://pokepast.es/6b5418299c926aa3
Here's an example

spiral fable
# golden wasp Made it to 1.4k for the first time with this team

No hazards of your own
Offensive Cinderace isn't the best pick here, especially since bulky ace would offer a lot more utility
Lokix isn't good in OU
AVest Gking is highly suspectible to hazards, and is a far worse spdef pivot than its boots counterpart
Mola suffers from the same issues as Gking
Tusk's set is extremely strange, especially since you're not running ground stab on it + an offensive ste means it's more easily chipped and falls quicker, which you dont want since you need that precious hazard removal
Defensive Zapdos is alright, but you have an offensive set on it, when it would much prefer a utility set
You also have no form of speed control, no actual spattackers meaning you're easily walled by dozo, no set up mons to put pressure on the opponent, and your only immediate power mon is lokix which is pretty bad

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I would recommend dropping this team and running a sample team instead. Here's the link

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT
spiral fable
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Just a reminder to anyone posting their teams, while it is possible to make lower tier mons work in OU, they can only work on highly specific teams, and most of the time should simply be swapped out for a more viable, OU mon.

golden wasp
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Fair

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Been enjoy using him

thin ether
spiral fable
thin ether
spiral fable
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yeah

golden wasp
spiral fable
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Like I said, I would recommend using a sample team instead: there's so many changes i would need to make to the team that it'd be more worth it to jt run a sample taem for now

golden wasp
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Ah

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Just gonna keep testing then

velvet path
novel lion
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This is Kieran's final team from the teal mask, what changes could be made that aren't just completely scrapping the entire team and starting over
https://pokepast.es/1d8b86608cb69019

west harbor
# velvet path https://pokepast.es/b42ff73349fbde91

i don’t think subtect gliscor really offers much more than just toxic + protect does without cutting into your own healing - i think you can just run the standard toxic + protect set with spikes because that’s still just as punishing for teams trying to switch around it

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now you have spikes already on your team, you don’t really need samurott to set them, so you can try sd wellspring in that slot which is a lot faster and has a stronger offensive typing into most of the meta

west harbor
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5 of those pokemon do absolutely nothing in ou and would struggle to break any common meta staple

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and that gliscor set doesn’t take advantage of what makes it broken (poison heal)

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you can use whatever you want in ou but this channel is to make teams viable not to recreate ingame teams that aren’t designed for competitive play

upper maple
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gray scroll
forest magnet
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Hey guys, I would say to take a break from building teams! The suspect test for Gliscor is over, meaning we are just waiting for the results to be posted. If Gliscor gets banned, the metagame will shift entirely meaning that all these teams will be outdated.

fierce basin
upper maple
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Ok

upper maple
fierce basin
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imo no. I used grassy terrain for my reqs and got a lot of mileage out of banded rilla, I think it's one of the best mons atm

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I think extender was more relevant before he got glide back personally

upper maple
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Ok

upper maple
fierce basin
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havent been using those mons enough to give an accurate rt on it

upper maple
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Ight

cloud blade
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https://pokepast.es/11345e2b7110f2c5
Originally had a suicide lead Shiftry but thought that mightve been too inconsistent and gimmicky (fake out, tailwind wind rider, t-spike/knock, explosion) so i switched it with a rocks mamo

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polar hedge
cloud blade
polar hedge
spiral fable
# cloud blade https://pokepast.es/11345e2b7110f2c5 Originally had a suicide lead Shiftry but t...

No hazard removal, mamoswine isn't good, heatran needs terrain like 99% of the time, why do you have an offensive ghold set with thunderbolt???? on a defensive ghold spread, you have bulky gambit with an offensive tera, no choice specced/banded mons on a non ho team, and this team structure is strange in general. Is this meant to be Bulky Offense? It seems like you've just slapped on bulky sets on a bunch of full offensive mons and called it a day.

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I would highly recommend running a sample for now

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!gen9ousamples

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rich flame
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How's this team?

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Sisistcha works surprisingly well here

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Also I forgot but the tera type was supposed to be fairy

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For sinistcha

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Azelf too

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I think I'll need to explain that one tho

spiral fable
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What is this, HO?

polar hedge
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Use samples tbh

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!gen9ousamples

viral sableBOT
polar hedge
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!

rich flame
polar hedge
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It worked

spiral fable
rich flame
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Ik

spiral fable
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In this case, it doesn't work

rich flame
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Idk what I made either

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But so far it's been working

spiral fable
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Azelf is far outclassed by other suicide leads, Cornerstone is just a worst Waterpon, Bulky tusk doens't fit on ho, scarf hamurott also doens't fit on ho, and sinistcha is just outclassed in ou

cloud blade
rich flame
spiral fable
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A lot of this team just doesn't work sorry

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I would recommend just running a sample team for now,

rich flame
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Can I explain my thought process atleast

spiral fable
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If you want ig but it doesn't really matter

rich flame
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There was SOME thought put into it I swear

spiral fable
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Sure, but the team still falls apart

cloud blade
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@rich flame levitate skill swap on a rocks mon is just pure self sabotage

spiral fable
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It's a suicide lead

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Skill swap is fine on its own: the problem is that azelf sucks

cloud blade
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That too

spiral fable
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Rocks doens't care about levitate, and as long as you dont pass it to like heatran you're fine

rich flame
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I think Azelf is a good suicide lead bc it can counter a lot of things that would prevent it from setting hazards
Skill Swap gets rid of magic bounce, while also sometimes fucking over gliscor
Thunder Wave makes sure it doesn't get outsped and can get off rocks
And explosion is
Explosion
And sinistcha is to keep the hazards up that azelf and samurott places
It's a better spinblocker SPECIFICALLY against both paradox donphans
It's pretty physically bulky and has heatproof as a bonus, it can keep itself healthy while crippling them with strength sap and threatening further with nasty plot
It also has a good matchup against a bunch of other stall mons, like alomomola, dondozo, clodsire and The Pex™️ (non AV)

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It also let's me get a fire-water-grass core which is very poggers if I do say so myself

spiral fable
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Sinistcha has a horrible matchup into stall?

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You get toxicced once and fall over and die

rich flame
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Not all of stall

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Just a bunch of mons that other members of my team are weak to

spiral fable
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Not pex or clodsire

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Azelf is a decent suicide lead but it's far outclassed by atales, glimm, or ribombee

rich flame
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Especially if there's a scald mon it can easily get itself burned and still utilize leftovers bc of heatproof halving the chip

spiral fable
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Fire Water Grass core fell off a cliff

rich flame
spiral fable
spiral fable
rich flame
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It does?

spiral fable
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Yeah it's one of its variations

rich flame
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I'm replacing azelf this instant

spiral fable
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Just use a sample team

rich flame
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I really don't like using ghold tho

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Fuck gholdengo in particular

polar hedge
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.

rich flame
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I don't mind going against it but I hate using it myself

spiral fable
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then you can pick another sample that doesn't use ghold ¯_(ツ)_/¯

rich flame
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There are some on pins

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Lemme check

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I'll use these I think

spiral fable
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?

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those are super outdated

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go here

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!gen9ousamples

rich flame
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Bruh

viral sableBOT
rich flame
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I tried

polar hedge
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Oooh spooky Gholdengo

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The joke is it’s a ghost type

rich flame
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Can I ask something

spiral fable
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ok

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what about it

rich flame
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Why does clef hold sticky barb on this team

spiral fable
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for trick mons

polar hedge
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It was for moon

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Before

rich flame
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Makes sense

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Can I ask something again

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Why does alomomola have Acrobatics here

west harbor
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it hits wellspring + other stuff after red card is used and tera

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it’s pretty situational imo

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that team is a lot less conventional

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also makes it slightly less passive than wishtect

rich flame
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Can I replace psychic with skill swap

west harbor
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you could but i wouldn’t recommend because you’re walled by iron moth

rich flame
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Aight

west harbor
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lead moth can click sub t1 and just fiery dance and booster forever in front of it without psychic

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which is not a good webs mu

lean fulcrum
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lean fulcrum
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i dont play singles but i made a troll core

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and i got the milotic from gen5 randbats

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i wanna try it

spiral fable
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We don't rate non-fully complete teams and neither of these mons are ou viable rn

lean fulcrum
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unfortunate

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reasonable tho

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sorry

fierce basin
# upper maple GTerrain HO https://pokepast.es/5d9eadc8d20093e3 Veil HO https://pokepast.es/f7c...

alright, now that I have time to revisit this 2nd paste you sent again and give it a closer look, I immediately notice that this veil team is 6-0d by zamazenta due to you having only physical attackers. Far too weak to anything phys def, team gets garged too easily whether it be iron defense or curse, whole team touches the ground except balloon gambit and you have no t spike absorber. You have no ground resist once the balloon pops either, I understand wanting lando to be better in the current meta but trying to get swept by scarf quake is not the way to do it. I would personally scrap this sorry to say.

upper maple
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Ok

fierce basin
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Mb btw I meant to get back to you on that one quicker. Gliscor suspect rotted my brain

upper maple
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It's fine

upper maple
fierce basin
upper maple
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Ok

upper maple
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Imma try mixed val

fierce basin
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Yup looks better. If you try the set in that paste I'd prob go tera steel on val so you can cm on sludge bomb off pex or w.e but I guess that isn't applicable for shmixed

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Can slot encore aswell if you find yourself in situations where you wish you had it

upper maple
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Ok

sly mauve
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Rate my team

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inland peak
fierce basin
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/765ed451a36b6c0b

Alright, I hate to say it but this is a check the samples moment unfortunately. Idk what's going on here and you have no real team structure. AV zap is a waste of a good mon taking away your ability to use utility moves, sash ceruledge is prob the realest guy here but you have no form of hazard control whatsoever. Whole team is 6-0d by spikes going up. Golem alola isn't real and isn't doing anything in the meta, you aren't even trapping heatran because you're too slow. Hex is not a good move choice on pex, blissey is generally better than chansey in generations w boots since it doesnt switch in on hazard damage. Here's a link to the samples https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
hope this helps good luck have fun

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The Teal Mask Sample Teams...

fierce basin
# inland peak https://pokepast.es/99f0912587b91190 <@723796384121225287> <@348232281556779008>...

suicide leads are generally for h.o structures. idk why you have a suicide lead glimmora and then an ayylmaola, blissey, heatran etc. because these mons are just going to lose you momentum and hazards will go off the field thus nullifying the sacrifice of your suicide lead. I cant tell what this team is trying to do. This is also probably a check the samples moment in order to get a feeling for team composition. Also if you're going to run blissey without boots then chansey is probably just a superior choice (you should prob just run blissey w boots tho) Feel free to lmk if you have questions https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

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tepid glacier
polar hedge
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Not enough lando

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Ruination on Ting should be rest probs and make it boots

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Make Ghold boots too

forest magnet
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Oh i got this

polar hedge
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:p

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I wanted to do the stall nyarrrr

forest magnet
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love the action ting is getting, my hope in rates is higher than ever

polar hedge
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True!

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I wish Dozo got scald acid

spiral fable
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Also put rocks on clef and swap rocks on Blissey for heal bell

strange kayak
strange kayak
strange kayak
polar hedge
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No problem lol

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The stall guy

forest magnet
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https://pokepast.es/f5002394207927f3 swapped moltres for mola, its too prone to knock off and mola also gives support to ting-lu in wish support as well as other walls, pairs well w dnite as dnite can stop ogerpon wellspring, swapped ogerpon for cinderace, you team didn't have any hazard control so i just swapped cinder for it but it still keeps the pivot aspect. also has wisp to replace moltres. swapped zama for wake to get some spa on your team, but also it has knock so you can stack hazards and then remove boots w wake

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@fierce basin

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go away

fierce basin
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i saw u said u were doing that one i was gonna help the gterrain guy

forest magnet
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@fierce basin u get grassy

fierce basin
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i am!!!!!

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i just go slow

forest magnet
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all good

velvet path
brisk cedar
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Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Bulk Up
  • Headlong Rush
  • Rapid Spin
  • Ice Spinner
fierce basin
# strange kayak https://pokepast.es/37c17e0cd03d21d8

hello,
first off your sneasler doesn't need full speed, since it has unburden you can invest some into bulk. This is also applicable to your rillaboom, since he has glide and slow uturn is beneficial. Personally I think banded rilla is one of the best mons in the meta atm, so I would give banded a try over extender and just send in rillaboom between your setup guys. extender is viable though
I'm changing your moth to the speed booster spread so you have some speed control without having to burn your sweeping potential w sneasler
I think you should replace iron treads with a great tusk with the same 252/252 hp speed spread, booster bulk up tusk is a v potent wincon especially w terrain support. tera poison is to flip your fairy/grass type matchups, and since youll resist eq anyway
since your manaphy is double dance and you already boost your defenses, I'd make it speed and hp invest aswell. replacing surf w scald cause scald is broken for just a bit less power, and energy ball for stored power.
here is the updated paste https://pokepast.es/b95e0a85fa6e38ad
other options:
tera fight on your low kick kingambit
heatran over iron moth if you get annoyed by opposing moths
tera dark and lash out over shadow claw on sneasler if you get annoyed by getting revenged by kingambit
glhf hope this helps

brisk cedar
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What spidget did is good

fierce basin
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mb veti i was typing that for a bit didnt mean to snipe u

brisk cedar
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It's good

strange kayak
brisk cedar
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It would be offensive air balloon

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Or leftovers

strange kayak
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I'll chevk both

strange kayak
fierce basin
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can also slot rocks on it

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otherwise that mon can be a bit annoying for this archetype

velvet path
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All these ou teams are blending together

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sly mauve
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Hi, i used this team in the previous meta. But ever since things have changed im having a bit of trouble with the team. Could someone maybe look at it and see if there are any things that could be improved? This is the team: https://pokepast.es/6598c694484a1a22

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alr

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  • Changed Rillaboom set a ton

  • Added bulk to Sneasler

  • Thundurus doesn't fit but I don't know what to put as a sixth, try some of these sets and see what works for you https://pokepast.es/1997ba144672067c

Additional changes you could make: Tera Ghost Heatran, Air Balloon Heatran

Paste: (add one of the sets from the previous paste with some mons that could fit over thundurus): https://pokepast.es/55005740f97fae0b

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@sly mauve

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You could also move like 4-8 evs of hatterenes hp to speed because some toxapex try to speed creep hatterene

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Thanks! I took the sitrus berry manaphy and its really helping!!

umbral adder
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I'll make some changes

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I'm not super experienced with rain so a rater could probably improve on this further

sly mauve
brisk cedar
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This team seems all over the place, what playstyle are you trying to make?

sly mauve
forest magnet
brisk cedar
sly mauve
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alr

forest magnet
sly mauve
sly mauve
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yeah, i'm working on it

forest magnet
sly mauve
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oo mandibuzz

sly mauve
forest magnet
# sly mauve who is the lead tho?

with balance, you don't have a dedicated "lead mon". It highly depends on the matchup to see what you send out. I would reccomend leading cinderace for slower teams to uturn pivot out into safety, or use clefable to protect and scout.

sly mauve
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alr

velvet path
iron fulcrum
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polar hedge
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probaly should be +def -speed nature tho

spiral fable
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Because this has 4/6 mons of a team I rated a few hours ago

iron fulcrum
polar hedge
iron fulcrum
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Why - speed

real willow
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Slower chilly reception

polar hedge
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because you have gnot

real willow
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Presumably

polar hedge
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and slow turn

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also on slow king for that

velvet path
sly mauve
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  • others
sly mauve
forest magnet
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like snesaler

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*sneasler

forest magnet
sly mauve
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ahhh

sly mauve
forest magnet
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i'll tweak it if u need

sly mauve
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too much hyper offense teams

sly mauve
forest magnet
sly mauve
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honestly I rather use a different team

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I don't think the team is for me

forest magnet
sly mauve
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I'll send a team

forest magnet
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wdym some utility

sly mauve
forest magnet
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or i'll just find some HO 4 u

sly mauve
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one sec

sly mauve
forest magnet
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this isn't HO 😵‍💫

sly mauve
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it's just a three offense mons and three support mons

forest magnet
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this is balance

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but yeah i'll see what i can find

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yeah

random wolf
# sly mauve it's just a three offense mons and three support mons

Hyper Offense - Purely offensive with a lot of strong breakers/set up sweepers. This is also where you'll see spike stack/webs, screens, etc. Often consist of a dedicated lead to set up for your 5 offensive mons trying to abuse the set up.

Should give you an idea of what you want when attempting to build HO

sly mauve
forest magnet
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sorry for taking so long...

sly mauve
sly mauve
forest magnet
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just finding smtn i think u would like...

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@sly mauve am back!!

sly mauve
forest magnet
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team from my friend

random wolf
sly mauve
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yeah, ig I was going for a balanced team ig

forest magnet
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@sly mauve wait do u want me to rate ur team, or give u an alternative

sly mauve
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rate it ig

forest magnet
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made lando banded for bigger damage output, made dengo spd to deal w val, made hatterene cm to have a second win condition, swapped manaphy for kingambit for priorty, swapped pex for mola to take phys hits better and for wish support for the rest of the team, and made tusk a support set w rocks

sly mauve
iron fulcrum
dense gull
random wolf
# dense gull https://pokepast.es/6e7b4b2fe544a605
  • Glimm wants offensive moves over memento and one of the hazards, generally unlikely for it to get up both and you'd benefit more from threatening other common leads / anti leads. You're also almost never getting up all your hazards with it so another move will bring you more value
  • Glowking is too passive and too much of a momentum sink for HO, smth like Booster Val would be stronger here, while also giving you a better Gambit mu
  • Scarf Ghold struggles rn, and on your team you'd benefit from NP Recover or 4 Attacks Psyshock, just fits better on HO and answers more pokemon
  • Haxorus is unviable in ou due to being outclassed, having a poor meta mu, and not enough stats to justify it. I notice you lack hazard removal, which makes the webs mu especially poor, so I figured Tusk may be a reliable replacement.
  • Spiky Shield doesn't bring enough value in a singles setting, and Swords Dance just makes you a stronger sweeper which HO loves.
  • Lorb Moth isn't something I'm a fan of here, Speed Booster Energy in particular makes it harder to stop. Would also consider Tera Ghost since you don't have Sub, better into Espeed Dnite and the fairy stab isn't mandatory

Paste with changes: https://pokepast.es/4d4b44823b93b6ed

Note: I am not an official rater, take my advice with a grain of salt and if they suggest something else, would recommend taking it.

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Feel free to ask any questions, hope you have fun!

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meant to put overheat over plume on tork

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k

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acoustic wedge
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!gen9ousamples

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Smogon is down rn but click this later

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https://pokepast.es/f155a4504394c73b

Tested it quite a bit, it plays basically as a bootspam volturn with clef and gambit to run away with the game if given the chance, and then sneasler for speed control/breaker/revenger

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^ you could also make gholdengo specs, for a strong wallbreaker. if you want that then i'll provide a set below

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Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Make It Rain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Focus Blast
  • Psyshock
brisk cedar
sly mauve
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Rate this team

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got it

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sniped 😔

forest magnet
# sly mauve https://pokepast.es/ea7258a15cf755fa

https://pokepast.es/cfb76634c2ec3507 Made Kingambit Bulky + Tera fire to get setup easier, we don't struggle with great tusk that much, made gholdengo more defensive as well as air balloon to take hits from a great tusk, made your glimorra the standard suicide lead set, swapped specs enamorus for physical iron valiant to bait in things like Slowking Galar and heatran to remove them for iron moth, which is the last member of our team (swapped cinderace for it). Gives backup speed control outside of iron val, and is a good cleaner that works well w val.

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Just go max speed max spa timid on glimm because matte put 0 evs

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Wait no I misread those are ivs, sorry

forest magnet
sly mauve
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Why is it 0 ivs

forest magnet
forest magnet
brisk cedar
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But if it isn't gonna die why do u need to pop sashwhat

forest magnet
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just trust

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Pls put ivs in ur glimm

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The 0 ivs make you check less stuff if you don't use glimm as a lead

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Now you 100% die to psychic from iron moth when it's only 6.3% to die after rocks with ivs

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And it's not endeavor or custap or anything

forest magnet
# sly mauve alr! Hyper Offence time https://pokepast.es/d4670ac4c4f1d508

This webs team is all over the place, things like air ballon sneasler is really inconsistent as it relies on the enemy activating you, and specs wake without any support is really inconsistent. you also have some weird tech like tera blast grass when moth has enrgy ball. and you loose the mirror matchup into other webs teams. I'll link a webs team for you to use instead.

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seems like a shameless plug, just trust

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Glimmora is also a option for the lead, but I wanna know which lead is better and what should I change and replace on the team

forest magnet
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uh oh

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ok

flint karma
forest magnet
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No incomplete teams

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oh wait my b

forest magnet
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alr lemme get the builder out

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here is the full team, I must have forgotten to save it lol

forest magnet
# flint karma https://pokepast.es/bd9a2224d6c879c8

Hey man, sun is a pretty unviable pick rn, as the loss of Roaring Moon really makes teambuilding hard as you need to pick something else, but it won't fill the spot of moon ever. I would suggest using a sample team. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

Smogon Forums
Resource - SV OU Sample Teams

Hosted by ironwater and the OU moderation team | updated November 11th 2023

Welcome in the sample teams thread where you can find solid teams to try out the tier and learn this new metagame. To get the importable of the team, simply click on the mini-sprites!

The Teal Mask Sample Teams...

forest magnet
sly mauve
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yeah ask more questions if u want

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Make the rillaboom slower and make sneasler grassy seed

forest magnet
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yeah thx

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messed up

empty nacelle
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who could replace swampert?

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sp def gastrodon?

polar hedge
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Doesn’t look good in gen 8

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Won’t be good in gen 9 either

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Sorry, this is for like

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Actual gen 9 teams

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!gen9ousamples

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empty nacelle
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had a lot of success on it last gen

empty nacelle
brisk cedar
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You don't really translate teams from gen to gen

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Just take a sample team

polar hedge
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Learn to read

empty nacelle
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I did not ask you 😂

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Don’t care

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Use the proper thread

empty nacelle
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something something learn to read

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I wanna fix zapdos the most I think

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From testing, my rilla+pex+tusk core was good idr remember. Uhhh I think I use slowking the least but it’s been useful

strong vapor
waxen ginkgo
strong vapor
surreal kelp
# waxen ginkgo https://pokepast.es/99153b7662282878

Hey, my no1 tip is definitely to familiarise yourself with the metagame and just to see what the best sets/ev spreads for each mons are. Whilst stealth rock spdef gambit may be a set, it is not the most viable, since kingambit is normally seen on a team as the role of a late game hypercarry/reverse sweeper. something like a leftovers flying gambit would certainly fit better on your team.
some simple fixes:
change kingambit to SD kowtow ihead sucker with leftovers and tera flying
rillaboom to be adamant nature and using a choice band
replace toxapex to something that can likely abuse the future sight support from glowking better, such as a sneasler, which also gets good gterrain sweeping potential support from rillaboom
great tusk to knock off now, and a more defensive ev spread
and since you are playing around chilly reception, a nice set that more people are running nowadays is weather ball zapdos, which would certainly fit on your team.

for future references, i would start with using sample sets and analyses from smogon here: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/

heres the changes i propose on your team
https://pokepast.es/e8aa891e161b7e00
lemme know if u have any questions

surreal kelp
calm ether
waxen ginkgo
# surreal kelp Hey, my no1 tip is definitely to familiarise yourself with the metagame and just...

While I’ll gladly use the suggested changes to help me get a better feel for the team dynamics, I’m not looking for the more offensive presence in it. I’m sorry I didn’t specify, but mine is a team that’s mostly stall with some offensive support (tusk, zapdos, rilla). I might end up using weather ball because that does sound interesting and it might help when dealing with certain weather teams as well but mainly I wanted help with finding better ways to synchronize those Pokémon. I really don’t like having so many ground type weaknesses so I wanna see if there’s a better Pokémon for some roles. I use gambit to counter most physically offensive mon and just in general offer disruption for certain sweepers. Though having a helper for late game sounds nice since my team has been really good at just wearing down opponents rather than but I have nothing to take advantage of it. It’s a weird mix, I know, but it’s a work in progress

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I think I’m going to spend today fixing gambit and working around cr+wb zapdos

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the team you posted isn’t stall - stall is a very specific playstyle that seeks to win almost exclusively through passive damage and outlasting the opponent

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running unoptimised sets like taunt tect gambit or leech protect rilla doesn’t mean your team is a stall team, it just means you’re using offensive pokemon that can’t outlast an opponent forever in a way that makes them worse

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That’s why I said mostly stall. It’s semi stall

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And I get that. Strong Pokémon should be used for offense, not defense

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I’ll look into better picks for those slots

fierce basin
# calm ether https://pokepast.es/8a158b743cb1144b any suggestions for this team?

I've been staring at this for awhile and cant come up with a rate that I'm happy with, but since you asked for any suggestions I'll give you what I came up with and maybe another rater can chime in if they have a better idea or solutions.
you have 3 ground types, I think we should probably cut it down to 2 ground types so you aren't as weak to ice coverage. the team is currently smashed by manaphy, so to try to fix that I think it should be toxapex over clodsire. Gives you a water resist, ice resist, can haze manaphy and toxic it once you trick it (you prob have to trick it otherwise take heart is literally still going to own you). I originally wanted to put ogerpon-wellspring on this team but toxapex still absorbs t spikes whereas waterpon wouldnt, and on a team as bulky as this I feared you would need the t spike absorption.
I think on a build like this you should opt for a bulkier recover ghold over full speed trick, I think you were going for speed control but imo the utility from plot/recover is more valuable and you can run trick on valiant instead
now that your ghold is bulkier and I took away your speed control, I think the tusk should be speed booster bulk up so you have some speed control, as well as another wincon. my only issue with this is it removes your only knocker for all these hazards to do something
idk how I feel about hurricane dnite cause I don't hit those. I like the ting lu heavy slam so you arent farmed by hatterene
other options:
waterpon over dnite, gives you more immediate breaking power and but takes away your only ground immunity. If you make this change you should put gholdengo on a balloon
bulkier ghold spread, can even run t wave/hex type stuff if you want to experiment
I was trying to consider booster val so you could encore manaphy and spread knock off, but that's like your only big breaker so I didn't want to do that. if you do this maybe put cloak on ghold if you get farmed by garg.
https://pokepast.es/7329381472a71f16

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I was agonizing over this tho so scrapping may also be an option. I hope this helps the process though glhf

spiral fable
# waxen ginkgo That’s why I said mostly stall. It’s *semi* stall

This is not a semi stall team. Semi stall is a team with mostly stall mons, and perhaps one to two offensive/utilty mons that back up the core. However, your team only has one stall mon in pex: the rest are all balance/ho mons, and while you can try to run "stall" sets on them they are not actual stall mons, nor will they make an effecitvely semi stall team. Gking is not a stall mon, it's a defensive pivot. A true stall team consists of mons like blissey dozo and clodsire, extremely passive mons with little offensive pressure, and a semi stall team would usually consist of 4-5 of them with 1-2 offensive mons, like torn t or pult.

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It seems like you're trying to go for balance over semi stall, and I would recommend playing that teamstyle instead

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I’ll look into those instead, thanks for the correction

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i mean i think i'd be much better at rating this team if it were spikes h.o but he had some mons you wouldn't normally find on h.o so I didn't think he wanted to take that path. idk tho maybe he'll come back and say turn my team into offense

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@fierce basin Balls

sly mauve
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You could try a different manaphy set, I'll find it

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I have it somewhere

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Manaphy @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 240 HP / 16 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Surf
  • Ice Beam
  • Energy Ball
  • Tail Glow
sly mauve
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ooo ok

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got it

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!gen9ousamples

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FAYA

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forest magnet
# north knoll My first OU team: https://pokepast.es/44d0a278368c2fcd

Hey, this team is all over the place. I would reccomend starting with sample teams, so you get the idea on what a good team is, and how its built
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

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The Teal Mask Sample Teams...

north knoll
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Thanks for the help. My bad my team is janky I just based this team off of which mons I really know how to use and how they work

forest magnet
brisk cedar
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The sets are all bad besides azelf, and the mons are all bad besides landorus and heatran. If you're beginning then look at the viability rankings and stick to like s to b+ and use sample sets to make a team

north knoll
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My playstyle usually involves taunt first then entry hazards

forest magnet
north knoll
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Nice! Thanks! MikaLove

forest magnet
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np 🫡

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Your team has zero synergy.

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Also 4 heavy duty boots?

waxen ginkgo
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I think I’m gonna take a break from playing to instead focus on studying ngl so scratch this

umbral wren
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Your team also has almost 0 damage

waxen ginkgo
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I need a montage, be back in a month

umbral wren
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Aight

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Training montage go

fierce basin
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Hey I was looking at that

waxen ginkgo
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Oop

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Uh

fierce basin
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I mean if u don't want a rate

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It's all good

waxen ginkgo
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I’ll still take a rate

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Any help I can get, yk?

fierce basin
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U said u don't like dozo and lose to fire types

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Right

waxen ginkgo
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Yee

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I think

fierce basin
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I'm gonna type when I'm back at my comp in like 15 min

waxen ginkgo
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Yeah no take your time

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I’m in no rush

umbral wren
# waxen ginkgo https://pokepast.es/3fc73be738416ac5

I mean there's no real syngery with the team. Everything's quite bulky but there no damage and no real pivots. There's nothing you can put up pressure with except rillaboom and you have it choiced which isn't bad but if it's your only big hitter thast bad since you need to be able to pivot it back and forth with different threats. Your team just doesn't have a huge threat leaving setup teams time to buff up.

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I'd swap slowing and zapdos and dozo but it looks like you like dozo so keep it

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Regeleki is a good replacement for zap cause it's fast and can swap into rilla cause most people would ground moves at it or setup which rilla can punish

fierce basin
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regieleki is banned in ou bro

umbral wren
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Is it?

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Wait really?

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I swear I saw it

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Shit it is

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Regi is uber yea I guess makes sense

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I like an electric typing in the team but tbh I dont really know which one

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Sandy shocks is cool but kinda meh

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I'm more of a doubles guy so

waxen ginkgo
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I used to be good at doubles but then the meta changed and I dropped so hard

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Looked away for like three months and it was

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It was bad

fierce basin
# waxen ginkgo https://pokepast.es/3fc73be738416ac5

alright,
so yeah generally grassy terrain teams r pretty weak to iron moth in my experience. I like to put heatran on mine, so I think the first thing to do is swap off your spdef slowking-galar for a spdef heatran. Putting it on a balloon cause I'm gonna take away your bird
IMO rillaboom doesn't need 252/252 attack speed since it has grassy glide and can benefit from slow uturn. gave you some bulk invest in your rillaboom.
for a potent wincon and some emergency speed control, I'm making your great tusk the bulk up speed booster set. Also lets you get off an emergency spin more easily if need be so you don't have to have boots on all of your guys. Tera poison is to flip your grass/fairy typing matchup
now that I took away your t spike absorber with slowking gone, we'll add rillaboom's best partner sneasler so you can still absorb t spikes and have more offensive presence. Zapdos doesn't really take advantage of terrain. Normally I run tera dark and lash out, but I'm a bit scared I'm building you a zama weak team so I'm gonna make it tera ghost and shadow claw so you can still hit ghold but wall body press from zamazenta.
Dondozo doesn't really fit on a team like this, because you shouldn't be giving up much momentum and allowing time for them to set up for you to make use of unaware. making it a manaphy so you have another fire resist and another special attacker
paste w changes https://pokepast.es/a21e5e7ccac11273
other potential options:
leftovers/blackglasses on kingambit, smth like tera dark so you dont lose the grassy terrain healing when you tera, but that's more of a preference thing
you can slot rocks on heatran now that I removed them from tusk, but I like wisp so you can troll tusk and dnite and stuff from your balloon
you can run a grassy seed cm hatterene over great tusk as your hazard control, is also a crazy wincon like the current tusk is. Can't really go wrong with either
I hope this helps, good luck and have fun lmk if you have questions

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I'm in love with Lilligant rn

waxen ginkgo
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Thank god I’m good in school because this is gonna take so much energy out of me

umbral wren
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One thing to note, teams that each pkmn has a role are susceptible to reads. If someone knows each role of your mons rhen you better hope you can pilot it better than they think you can

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That's why I use "off meta" teams so I can use the element of surprise

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Like that team is good but from a glance you can tell the entire teams game plan/role so you can tell what they'll do.

waxen ginkgo
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Aye aye I’ll keep that in mind

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Thanks a lot yall

silk hamlet
umbral wren
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Yea my b I swear I saw it when I played but I could be misremembering

west harbor
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it was legal for like 1 day post home

calm ether
fierce basin
forest magnet
calm ether
fierce basin
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I just left it there cause it's a good safety net vs ogerpon. I don't know what it's like to use hurricane dnite cause I don't hit those

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https://pokepast.es/1caf6fa8b982b042 the team is pretty weak to electric, but im not sure what to do about changing it cos everything in here plays a pretty important role already so i cant really easily add a check to electric types outside of eq dnite

brisk cedar
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I'll give you a better stall team that's similar

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But banded dnite isn't good on stall

paper hawk
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i dont really want to go for full stall. dnite can be a really nice switch option into grass types which i otherwise have a pretty rough time against. i wanted to build the team with garganacl in mind, do you have any garg focused teams or improvements keeping garg in mind?

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dnite is also a check for waterpon and grasspon

patent nest
brisk cedar
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Ting Lu should be spikes over stealth rock, the only things rocks hit harder usually run heavy duty boots

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spikes > rocks almost always unless you already have spikes on something else, especially because you have no knock off

west harbor
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Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Timid Nature

  • Discharge
  • Volt Switch
  • Hurricane
  • Roost

you’d be better off with this on zapdos too - static >>> pressure because paralysis is broken and discharge also does that. the bulkier spread helps you check more

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Yeah use that set, I didn't notice it as pressure

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if you were open to changing the tauros slot to experiment more, try ogerpon wellspring as a much better water type that’s faster + stronger with the ability and sd

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yeah I get what you mean

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I thought tauros was interesting bc it was a physical fighting type that could check great tusk

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plus raging bull helps against the HO matchup

west harbor
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wdym?

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With ogerpon wellspring you probably need to change the team even more because the gambit matchup becomes tough

west harbor
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ya that’s true

brisk cedar
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It can encore but that requires you to sacrifice or predict

west harbor
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i think tauos is probably “workable” but i wouldn’t really consider it ou viable

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being a gambit resist is nb

patent nest
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yeah

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thanks for the suggestions though that really helps

sly mauve
forest magnet
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Shadow Claw is tera ghost which matches up worse vs Kingambit

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Hey I’m more of a casual player so looking to see if anyone can help me. Not too familiar with competitive battling. I’m not 100% sure on hatterene, great tusk, or cinderace. Looking to cover as many types/Pokémon I can. Here’s my team: https://pokepast.es/73a1bf61cdb2eea4

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New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @fierce basin, @brisk cedar, @surreal kelp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

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What direction are you trying to build on, are you going for like a mix of defense and offense or just offense

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And what mons would you like to keep (ping me when u respond)

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@fast thicket

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sorry about this being an incomplete rate but I was told to rate this and I'm unexpectedly getting too sleepy to really focus on teambuilding so I'll stop at this point.

https://pokepast.es/e67e78a322ed505c

Dragapult was made into a specs set because dd isn't that good right now

Corviknight was turned into 140 speed to outspeed Kingambit with U-Turn over Brave Bird to be less of a momentum sink

Great Tusk has rapid spin over Play Rough because Play Rough doesn't hit anything relevant and you have no other remover

Toxapex has Leftovers because Black Sludge isn't good in metagames with Tera

Made Hatterene into standard Calm Mind because the set was incomplete

Added Ting Lu over Cinderace because the team needs hazards and a ghost resist and I didn't see anything you really needed Cinderace for

Things that I didn't do but I think need to be done: Hatterene or Toxapex replacement, Toxapex and Corviknight tera types, Ogerpon Wellspring check

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Hmm I don’t have coverage for ground types, water, or flying. Is there some moves or someone I can us to help with these or are they not as common?

empty nacelle
fallen shale
# empty nacelle https://pokepast.es/4a7af1c21298efef

Use rillaboom instead of breloom
Slot in roost instead of fire punch
Slot in haze instead of poison spikes and make pex spd
Use a different hazard setter with better longevity
Give tusk stealth rock or ice spinner instead of cc

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And change surf into infestation

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Had ting in there to check gholden

empty nacelle
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clodsire over ting maybe?

fast thicket
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What other Pokémon would you recommend for my team? I would like to start with Glimmora to set up stealth rock or toxic spikes would have mortal spin and earth power. Focus sash and toxic debris.

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252 hp / 4 Atk / 252 Speed

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Grass Tera type

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Rate this team? Playing around with different combinations of Pokémon and moves. Haven’t had any luck with anything yet. Could anyone give me some advice or suggestions? I’ve tried some teams I’ve seen from smogons forum and my own but keep struggling, mostly against iron valiant and dragapult. Im trying to make my teams to cover as much types as I can. https://pokepast.es/7d35968aa9960040

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sinful pond
west harbor
# empty nacelle https://pokepast.es/0e80571a44dfb660

i don’t really see how you’d struggle with wake when you already have spd pex, and having both together is pretty redundant when they’re both passive. i don’t really think pex is great rn in general honestly, same with dirge

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https://pokepast.es/b7e9c8c207af8111
i went pivot glowking > pex/clod to give you a pivot that’s less passive and has a better valiant mu i then replaced dirge with ghold to give you a steel type and more offensive presence because dirge is pretty slow and has very common weaknesses unless you tera, so ghold offers you more

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because one of the slots was cut i gave you cinderace as last for a bulky (ish) fire type that also gives you speed. i also changed tusk’s tera bc tera fight with no fighting move doesn’t do anything

west harbor
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you have some hyper offense mons/sets like iron moth and dd pult (which is kinda meh regardless) and then you have more bulky teammates like mola and corv

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if you feel like you’re struggling with this team/teams in general you’re building, it might be because you’re trying to do too many things at once with a team instead of sticking to one specific playstyle and committing to that

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https://pokepast.es/6a8297b9e300a199
specs wake > specs volc because it’s faster, has better coverage and isn’t weak to rocks
defensive zapdos > scarf to give you an actual pivot without being weak to rocks and locked into a move. you could try a more offensive set with thunder if you wanted but i wouldn’t recommend because outside of rain it’s useless
amoonguss and kingambit > torn and corv - amoon gives you a useful pivot and is pretty punishing with spore + hard stops rilla and wellspring, which rain is super weak to. gambit offers a ghost resist and a wincon that’s not reliant on rain to function if you run into bad mus

sinful pond
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But specs wake cant kill stall teams like blissey at high ladder

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even with terra its not as strong

spiral fable
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specs wake is better in every other case

west harbor
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i doubt specs volc can break stall either

sinful pond
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It does 60% to max spD blissey tbf

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so on the switch in you kill it

west harbor
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wake has a neutral move into mola and pex

sinful pond
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only downside is it has max 8 pp

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true

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 259-306 (36.2 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

west harbor
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if they take 60 from specs volc then they’re just gonna pivot into pex next turn

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 346-408 (48.4 - 57.1%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 111-131 (36.5 - 43%) -- 97.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

west harbor
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your best bet vs stall would be trying to win with last mon gambit

spiral fable
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Alternatively Tera Water Skewda has a decent chance of breaking if you can chip Dozo low enough/get a lucky defense drop

sinful pond
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i found having the zapdos scarf as like the core of the team is the best

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it provides a direct counter to ogerpon and terra flying 1 shots draga off the bat which can throw ppl off

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the main struggle of the team is against kingambit tbh

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but i notice at high ladder people don't actually use kingambit often

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but maybe im just tripping

spiral fable
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How high are you on ladder?

sinful pond
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i was 1900s this afternoon

spiral fable
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I've seen gambit pretty often

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huh, wack

sinful pond
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ill try running the walking wake on an alt

spiral fable
west harbor
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you’re reliant on keeping rocks off forever but you don’t really have a way to force that

sinful pond
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it seems pretty unreliable to me

spiral fable
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i mean sure but why are you trying to break blissey with your spattacker again

sinful pond
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i guess its unexpected

west harbor
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it’s not really unexpected imo

sinful pond
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it 2ohkos toxa, bliss and dondozo

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theres not really a switch-in to tank