[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[forest magnet]

oh i mean they said they got it so i gave up, let me have a look

i saw ur post on the forums so i wanted to rate ur team lol

[cloud blade]

Mk thx

Im worried about the water type matchup from spidgets version specifically, as i have like nothing for waterpon without rilla, outside of pult which would not be a consistent switch in, also any special water hits look really bad too as tran cant keep up defensively forever on the special side with no recovery

[forest magnet]

sorry, a bit confused

do u want me to rate spidgets ver or urs

[cloud blade]

Mine, and then i was gonna change it based on a combination of how you each rated it at it

[cloud blade]

@forest magnet reminding u just in case

If u arent just lemme know

Cuz otherwise i will anxiously check this channel like every 5 minutes

[forest magnet]

yea sorry was laddering

[cloud blade]

Np

[forest magnet]

r u going for balance or what

[cloud blade]

Ye it’s supposed to be a balance lol arguably psuedo stall late game because generally i just trade mons to eliminate main threats then endgame with gking+gliscor and a third wheel usually scizor

[mental compass]

https://pokepast.es/cb984031dc4bc124

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mental compass]

begging

tf

[fallow crag]

Why you got screens but only one setup mon

[mental compass]

protects my glass canons

[forest magnet]

could ur rate that team?

yeah spidget do that one

[fierce basin]

I will if dex doesnt

[fallow crag]

Go ahead

I was gonna say go back to the drawing board

[fierce basin]

yeah but he's begging

[delicate dirge]

https://pokepast.es/1c1a6b338f8b331b

[wanton root]

https://pokepast.es/01f706472b95e4e6

[fierce basin]

alright:
first things first we're making your grimmsnarl into a ninetales-alolan. grimm is easily taken advantage of when some of the biggest threats in the tier are dark types (gambit, roaring moon), and ninetales can get up the screens in 1 turn while also not being a total sitting duck.
2nd, we don't want to give your opp screens by court changing so let's make your ace a great tusk. Booster bulk up with tera ice, if you tera ice you'll get the def boost under snow
3rd, in order to take advantage of your screens, we're making the meow a roaring moon. You still have knock, still hit steels, and nothing really checks roaring moon atm. Stronger option than the cat
4th, we're making your water type ogerpon. Takes advantage of screen turns better than gren, and checks dozo w water absorb/encore.
the 5th mon i'm swapping from the original one from your team (xd) is valiant to hatterene. You keep your fairy type special attacker while taking advantage of your screens. 56 speed is to outspeed pex so it doesnt haze your calm minds away before you kill it. If there's a roaring moon on the opposing side then tera water hatt can allow you to get off a nuzzle.
I'm leaving the kingambit but I changed it from tera poison. You're still ground weak and if you have to tera w gambit vs roaring moon (biggest threat to offense rn atm) you still die to quake. Made it fairy
here's a paste with all the new guys https://pokepast.es/0935eb69664fd681
Alternatives to what's here:
rapid spin on tusk over ice spinner if you're scared of skill swap ribombee getting webs up on your magic bouncer, hatt beats glisc and hopefully dragons anyway. If you make this change you can also change your tera type if you feel the need
mystical fire on hatt over nuzzle if you'd rather maximize your sweeping potential
tera blast fairy on kingambit over brick break, but maybe you really hate screens idk. glhf

[forest magnet]

sorry i would say scrap team

you would be better off running grassy terrain ho

https://pokepast.es/d96dfcac921e5210

maybe something like this

[mental compass]

thank you

[fierce basin]

you're welcome

[cloud blade]

I understand

guh balance is dying* rn i think

[forest magnet]

nah its just that grassyt is better as ho then balance rn

[cloud blade]

Oh well i didnt have gterrain as the main theme

It was just umm, there ig, i like rilla for the anti EQ+i needed a water resist

I do think sneasler over scizor just overall makes sense tho

No fighting type at all leaves me weak to a lot of stuff+ i dont have a sweeper outside of bullet punch sd

[cloud grotto]

https://pokepast.es/29d0b636974c567e what'll this team be struggling against? are there any tweaks i can make to help against those things?

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/94e0ff0c48194a0a

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[weak vortex]

I don’t know if I like grim as a screens setter considering you can’t taunt stuff like ting Lu and even gambit I think if you go for screens maybe alotales instead (freeze dry,viel,hyponosis and encore) iirc, secondly I recommend either lum or black glasses on gambit. Depends on what you want more power or being able to get free set up in stuff that wants to status you,

For the most part the looks solid tho

[tardy oracle]

https://pokepast.es/29e2b7a76da005f8
Wanted to use nachi
Swapped hatt for clef to beat settup
The great tusk set counters both Ogerpons at +1 speed

Before tera*

And iron moth moves should prob be changed

[weak vortex]

I just ask what type of team are you going for because iron moth is an HO staple and clef and garg are more balanced oriented mons.and av tusk is just not good at all quite frankly.

[forest magnet]

oops

@weak vortex

i got this one

if u ook w it ofc

[weak vortex]

You good bro your input is welcomed

🤝🏾

Go for it

[forest magnet]

why tusk av

[tardy oracle]

Was tryna keep it pretty balance with potential to snowball with moth at any point and yeah av doesn’t really have much reason

[forest magnet]

oh alr

[tardy oracle]

Lefties might be better if I want multiple switch ins, or boots

Or Lum if I’m desperate

[tardy oracle]

Uuuh, suggestions?

[fierce basin]

@forest magnet u getting them still?

[forest magnet]

yes

[forest magnet]

sorry

[fierce basin]

Just checking

Before I yoink u accidently

[forest magnet]

thx

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/f8a4bee411237725 I swapped Garg's set for ID, its better for the more offensive metagame as you won't have enought time to setup fully, swapped ur gholdengo for a bulky support set, it can help keep hazards up better on this style of team instead of the air balloon set (ur team has longer games) swapped av tusk for an offensive tusk, just gives utility while keeping power + hazards. swapped ur clef set for a crit me not set, pairs really good with garg in the endgame to overwhem teams (gholdengo provides immunity to encore) and made ur moth set just the standard sweeper set. and swapped uturn over spikes for pivoting as well as helping vs other oger

[tardy oracle]

Thanks

[cloud grotto]

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[hybrid wharf]

hello, https://pokepast.es/fc6a73d88486cdfc

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/89cb7b0d786f965b I would recommend this sample team, really we established as well as similar to your team. This is like the "example" of all HO.

[hybrid wharf]

thanks!

[crude frost]

thx a lot

[cloud blade]

ill post my rain team cuz i wanna see what raters think about it as well one sec

[crude frost]

My manaphy got 1v1d by a blissey

4 turns of full para

wtf

I had take heart aswell

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/b7c41201407e1051 rain team, any tips? (Had sd on lando but made it rocks cuz i wasn’t clicking sd enough and rocks i use almost every game)
Notes:
-originally didnt go for hazard purely because most the mons dont care about hazards
-amoonguss is the dedicated mon for waterpon+rillaboom+toxic switch in
-lantoT is secondary rilla check+intimidate support+ground attacker that can ignore fliers and endgame offensive gambits with a sub up

[cloud blade]

Ouch ngl thats painful, nothing you can do there tbh…

[forest magnet]

This team struggles with Gliscor, you can't really damage it as well as you team is a bit too passive. To fix this, I would suggest swapping out Moltres + Garg for more offensive pokemon.

[forest magnet]

Just by a quick look, I would say to scrap this team. I don't mean to be harsh or anything, but rain is supposed to be fully offensive (more rain abusers) as well as no speed control on this team besides Iron Val (can only do that once)

[cloud blade]

I tried to keep it offensive, but waterpon kinda murdered me are there any alternatives to the amoonguss for a poison type that you think could work on rain, or a form of t-spike removal? Would lando -> tusk, and then amoonguss-> zapdos work?

[fierce basin]

If u wanna try a rain team w Lando you can try this one from last week's team of the week https://pokepast.es/af6a15ef8552dc53

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/c7ab750421546446 I wasn't sure what you wanted, so i went for a balace style team. made val boots + support set, offers knock off now, made gholdengo bulky to help keep hazards up better, swapped garg for oger to add a sweeper to your team + encore support to help vs setup and the manaphy matchup, and made moltres tera grass to help vs ogerpon wellspring

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/0389d5c41b77bc4a is there a way i can change this team without copying / stealing someone's team

[forest magnet]

I mean this is just stall, you are better off just running that instead

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/0333822cc9a8130e updates version, any glaring problems? Added better speed control+rain abuser, and meow gives me spikes although my matchup against glimmora got worse

[fierce basin]

Hi, the point of running a classically bad mon like Pelipper is to abuse the rain as much as possible. Meowscarada and valiant don't take advantage of the weather at all. Personally I think you're fine to put that physdef amoonguss back on your team if you don't like t spikes, along with the waterpon/rilla matchup. However, instead of red card I think you should run eject button so you can swap into it and then pivot safely into one of your rain abusers. Instead of iron valiant you can go with maushold for a hazard removal option, as well as an encore mon so you can take advantage of kingambit sucker etc. It's tera ghost for dragonite extreme speed. Make your basculegion swift swim imo, you can even go timid if you want to outspeed booster valiant but I think that's unnecessary with amoonguss. Crawdaunt is fine to keep imo if you can keep it healthy when if you're vs a kingambit, because it always lives a +2 sucker at 5 fainted if it doesn't have a booster item or tera dark. Lastly, if you're running double dance manaphy I'd probably run stored power over scald. You don't have to do this if you're scared of darks
Here's a paste with the changes https://pokepast.es/5881934eeb9b5b61
Potential other options:
-Male basculegion over female and greninja over crawdaunt
-Keeping scald over stored power on manaphy
hope this helps, glhf

also i guess make the pelipper tera ground over water, incase you ever do tera it

[cloud blade]

also ty for reminding me to chnage the pelipper i forgot i never changed its tera

The stored power over scald is because of roaring moon

On manaphy I mean

[fierce basin]

That's fair, moon is obnoxious AF rn

Either works

Gl

[cloud blade]

Ty

[golden wasp]

Thoughts on my team?

https://pokepast.es/c5dfff9d159387f3

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/99260ab1898c4d18
sticky web HO

[forest magnet]

please don't send unfinished teams, this is for completed teams already. If you need help go to #comp-general for finishing it up

[tranquil niche]

I'm pretty sure the team is complete?

[spiral fable]

no it is matte is insane

[tranquil niche]

this is what the link is showing me

[weak vortex]

Anyways the second team looks solid

From my view

[spiral fable]

wildfire you taking the first team or second

[weak vortex]

Second bud

The webs

[spiral fable]

aight

ill take first

[weak vortex]

Go for it

[weak vortex]

One small change actually you could run tera steel if you find glim very annoying

Otherwise I think this is fine

On ribombee

[forest magnet]

(talk about how this team is weak to val, possible changes

ice spinner over fire punch for glicor

[tranquil niche]

actually yeah I'll do that ig

great tusk is already threatened by stab

[spiral fable]

this team is pretty weak to val, it get one +2 and you're doomed
Wash and heatran aren't in ou for reason, if you want a bulky pivot you can run gking which is generally more threatening, and for heatran just run tusk it comes with spin as well which you need(and can "revenge kill" +2 val)
idk why you're running dragon darts on specs pult, just run flamethrower for gambit
If you want to run 3 attack manaphy, run tail glow. If you want to run take heart manaphy, run the double dance set

[golden wasp]

Thanks

also gking?

Who's that

[real willow]

galarian slowking

[spiral fable]

galar slowking

[golden wasp]

how does it look?

https://pokepast.es/91fcd6a758bca5c5

[spiral fable]

you want phys def tusk

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/fff7ea13e04575a8
I wanted to run a zapdos offense team so I cooked

[spiral fable]

with rocks and eq

and make gking a spdef pivot

[tranquil niche]

Idk what other spdef wall to use another than clod

[weak vortex]

Give mana tera poison

[forest magnet]

r u going to finish up ur other rate?

[weak vortex]

@golden wasp

[golden wasp]

I see

Why?

[spiral fable]

to eat toxics

[tranquil niche]

Also can't u use energy ball ice beam surf here instead of dgleam surf ice beam on mana?

[golden wasp]

Doesn't take heart beat toxic

[tranquil niche]

Do u really need dgleam?

[tranquil niche]

Im using tail glow

[weak vortex]

@forest magnet uh ye

Actually if it’s the webs

I finished that one

unless you have more to add

[spiral fable]

you dont want to be forced to take heart and pex can wear you down if you're not tera poison

[golden wasp]

I see

how does it look now?

https://pokepast.es/b99b894534ddaca4

[spiral fable]

swap to a pivot set for gking

also tera fighting on tusk does nothing now swap to tera water

[forest magnet]

@weak vortex

this use to be how i rated LOL

[weak vortex]

Gotcha lol

I’m new to discord rates but I’ll keep a sharp eye on it

[forest magnet]

👍

dms

[forest magnet]

faya

make it grass

ogerpon

[spiral fable]

every day i wish ogerpon was eradicated from this tier

yeah grass

[tranquil niche]

ogerpon feels fun tbh

i like using it

[forest magnet]

fr

encore is really nice tech

[placid kestrel]

https://pokepast.es/6ae5c53ca475aed3
Tried to make stall

[random wolf]

Looks very offensive for stall

Idk my archetypes well but looks like Balance

[coral bloom]

Isn't scarf hamurott with 2 priority moves a bit heavy on the speed control

At that point why not just go band to juice up your cutter and edge and if you want to move before your faster opponent just click jet or punch

[west harbor]

stall is a very specific playstyle that aims to win through almost only passive damage. it’s hyper specific so only a few mons fit on stall

this team isn’t stall, so if you wanna try out stall yourself you can try highv0ltag3 rmt stall here https://pokepast.es/5eba34420e31bf2f

here’s a general rate of your team as is, which is more bulky offense / balance https://pokepast.es/819a69b560608d89 i haven’t seen much hatterene recently but i think it’s a cool pick because it can just sit on gliscor

i went pult > hsamurott to give you speed + a breaker in one slot. since there’s not
reliable removal you could try a boots wisp + hex set instead if you’re struggling

i went gliscor > clodsire because gliscor is by far the best mon in the tier and is a lot less passive m, and with toxic + protect it can weaken its checks too. it also gives spikes more reliably now you’ve lost samurott

waterpon could be an issue (it is for everyone tbf) but i think you have enough outs with pult + tera water things. spikes could also be problematic bc no removal but again everyone’s struggling with hazards rn. if you’re struggling you can try boots on more mons as needed

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/68c8731eefddcd68

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tranquil niche]

Looks more like semi tbh

[vernal prism]

https://pokepast.es/3d36f4c739ffb385 I could use advice, but as much on how to go about building HO than this team in particular, since I feel like I usually just throw stuff together and either it works or doesn't

[upper maple]

Might scrap this and make a different balance team

[ruby crest]

anything in particular u wanna keep?

[vernal prism]

Ceruledge, but honestly I'm fine with any changes, just trying to have my HO team building be more intentional, rather than just throw busted mons together and hope they work

[ruby crest]

honestly team isnt bad i recommend doing sub 3 attacks iron moth > hatt gives u a t spike absorber in ho, make mana double danace, great tusk bu , https://pokepast.es/94f60beb295559a9 here's an import of the team with changes

[vernal prism]

Wouldn't having no hazard control on a team with a focus sash user be a bad move?

[ruby crest]

not necessarily tho if you feel discomfort u can do like rapid spin > cc, tho u should always pressure or deny as much hazards up when playing ho and then again veil helps out ceru a lot

[ruby crest]

you still trying to get this rated or start a new?

[upper maple]

I'll just accept the rating ig

[ruby crest]

so cinderace is honestly a lil bit redundant for my liking for something that really wants hazard stack and messing up ur own hazards can be very stingy, so i recommend messing with two teams, one version is going to have a zama and the other with great tusk, make gliscor spdef spikes and clef rocks > cm, do horn leech > power whip on oger, and the set for dengo varies for what team boots np in the zama version and scarf in the great tusk version, also clear smog > foul play on amoong tho you can try worry seed for other gliscors. https://pokepast.es/1f9dce5c7f62dc92 zama version , https://pokepast.es/8a451ca6bc61cea0 tusk version

[upper maple]

Why 2 versions?

[ruby crest]

I generally am not a fan of scarf dengo in this meta, but i also figured you would want a version of a team with hazard control

[primal phoenix]

is my team good or bad https://pokepast.es/77d790a78deeab8e

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand citrus]

https://pokepast.es/97bb18f4729e5771
Hi ! I’m a beginner in teambuilding and I tried to build a weavile team. Feel like I’m very weak to ice spinner but I don’t know how to improve the team, any advices ?

[void briar]

https://pokepast.es/4fc18d464e7c4c4e

I actually tried to make a decent team for once

Can someone help?

Wondering if Scarf adamant is better on arcanine

[hybrid wharf]

https://pokepast.es/44264f0e3bc8b170

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Wake wants 252 spatack and speed on sun for extra power, also run flip turn over pulse
Leafeon sucks, I dropped it for shocks which is a lot better and benefits from sun, it runs a speed boosting nature with life orb though you can switch out the item for expert belt if you get chipped too much
Switched tusk to a fully offensive bu set, no point in a defensive set, you might want to switch life orb for expert belt/lefties if you want more bulk
Clodsire is not good in ou in general and you definitely don't want it on a ho sun team, I dropped it for hatterene which can bounce hazards and serve as a quick pivot to get your offensive mons in with eject button, and revive a chipped attacker with healing wish later
https://pokepast.es/b74313f2bb10fb06

[elfin relic]

could someone teach me how to make a pivot team?

[spiral fable]

You should ask #comp-general

[elfin relic]

oop sorry

[spiral fable]

So you have 5 physical attackers and one semi special attacker which isn't good
I would drop ogerpon, you already have a fast knock off spamming sd mon in weavile
I also would run boots on weavile and just run icicle crash
Instead of ogerpon you should run gholdengo, keeps up hazards easier and offers a strong offensive spatacker as well
Run rocks instead of cc on tusk, you can keep it offensive if you want
I'm dropping gambit for specs wake, since you need immediate power and wake offers nice coverage
https://pokepast.es/0ba57d33c9206cfe
Also personally if weavile still isn't working out for you I would drop it for water pon but that's just me

[sand citrus]

Ty very much it look super cool I will try this out !

[hybrid wharf]

Thank you !

[spiral fable]

Run tusk over lando t, gives you hazard removal which you need
Garg doesn't fare well in the current meta, I would recommend gking for a bulky pivot + a nice spdef wall
You also need some immediate power, so instead of dnite I would run specs pult
https://pokepast.es/e05ae14369675a0b

[reef fox]

https://pokepast.es/442bc1a75e734652

I built this team right when cinderace dropped, so ive had it for a long time, and its my favorite team ive ever made. The whole concept is using Cinderace to blow away hazards and using bulky offense to smack away at the opponent. Iron Moth is there to hit on the special side due to my physcial bias

[spiral fable]

do you want me to keep any mons on this team or no

[reef fox]

Cinderace and Garg

[spiral fable]

hm

[reef fox]

The rest can go even if its a bit sad

[spiral fable]

garg kinda sucks in this meta but ill try my best

[reef fox]

Yeah garg isnt what it used to be

Still love him

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/bbddc5ff65c69474
Swapped garg to the id set, made it spdef
Swapped cinderace to the bulky pivot set
Lefites on gambit
Made pult a specs set
Turned tusk into offensive utility, but you can really mess around with the set i was debating phys def but you already have two defensive mons
CM clef for a nice val check + good wish passer + decent spattacker in its own right

@reef fox

[reef fox]

Oh Clefable is interesting

Ill definately be giving this a spin

Thank you!

[spiral fable]

be very careful around sd val since clef is basically your only check without bulky tusk

on the plus side clef completely shuts it down though so

[fierce basin]

Hi, I've been staring at your team for awhile, and while I have a rate, I've decided I'd probably scrap. idk what this team is doing, you stack multiple weaknesses which isn't rly an issue in like offense but here in this balance you're getting 6-0d by mixed valiant, any type of garg since you have no spatk breaker, water ogerpon comes in on empoleon and basically claims one every time, heck you better hope rotom-wash doesn't mount a comeback cause even he farms this. Even something like booster great tusk comes in on half of these, bulks up and sweeps
I'd start over, but if you really want to try to make this work despite it still having issues this is what I'd do:
amoonguss over corv so you aren't smashed by waterpon/val
roar over rocks on empoleon (phase out boosted stuff like wake/moth/val)
cinderace over tusk for hazard control (hopefully discourages ppl from putting up rocks vs your banded arcanine)
lando from scarf to a mixed offensive set, we need grass knot here cause the team is tusk weak (I think tusk is the better ground tbh but I couldn't take away all your ground immunes)

Here's the paste with the changes https://pokepast.es/0d6d2c12114b44b8
Potential other options:
make the emp a waterpon with sd/encore, amoonguss-->galarian-slowking, and make lando a gliscor or smth
Didnt really want to touch the arcanine since it seems thats what you built around.
hope this helps, glhf

[elder forge]

https://pokepast.es/2b4ecac51f2ab6b7 looking to replace Brute Bonnet and do something about Great Tusk, I don't feel like phys def Great Tusk is worth running in the current meta and neither does Bonnet feel good rn

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

got this one!

[elder forge]

oh hi
thank u

was thinking abt swapping out Bonnet for defensive Slither? under the Sun it doesn't fold to a +2 Tera Water Ivy Cudgel and a Close Combat with Protosynethsis has a scary 87% chance to OHKO

[forest magnet]

i mean u want to stick to faster mons

[elder forge]

should I drop Bonnet for Utility Cinder / Agility Moth?

[forest magnet]

just wait, rating ur team i'll show u my suggestions

[elder forge]

okie dokie

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/6392aaa2cd22ab51 made tusk more offensive, made roaring moon speed booster in sun for speed control (pairs well w wake) slightly tweaked the evs on hatt for general use (still takes spa hits alright) and swapped bonnet for sub moth to keep good vs gambit matchup + adds strong fire damage

no agility for speed control

[elder forge]

what is the spread on tusk for?

also does the 4 Defense in Moon actually do anything or is it just there

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/fd04edde56cf6f8a rain :)

[ionic trench]

https://pokepast.es/407ca20ec8d76531 webs

[spiral fable]

have fun matte

[forest magnet]

its a mix of bulk and attack, i just put some into each, enough attack to OHKO gholdengo and the moon set just is for optimizing steath rocks damage

[forest magnet]

can't can u rate

i have to study for 2 tests

[spiral fable]

cringe

fine

ill take the rain team

you take webs

[elder forge]

[spiral fable]

Drop chomp drop amoonguss, run surf on manaphy and imo i would just go for three attack lefties since you need the coverage but that's up to you, run waterpon and either ting lu or gambit, up to you if you want a zapdos switch in or more power
Also might want to run crunch on skewda instead of jet but that's up to you
https://pokepast.es/208091d1c961cd21
here's a pokepaste but feel free to make the changes i suggested(im a big fan of gambit on rain but imo ting lu would be better)

[forest magnet]

do the webs one sorry

[spiral fable]

Swap cornerstone for wellspring, you probably want skill swap on ribombee instead of psychic, zapdos and wake don't really fit on a webs ho team, if you're running tusk run the bu set, im swapping on gholdengo and gambit, changed manaphy's moveset so it handles stall better, gambit is standard offensive with glasses, and gholdengo is standard air balloon with tera steel
https://pokepast.es/79712f4388582986

[ionic trench]

ty

[sly mauve]

any suggestions?

https://pokepast.es/80dc3910cad1024b

[brisk cedar]

At a glance, Clef doesn't fit the pace of this team

You have a ghold so I'd try to fit a hazard lead

Wait these sets are

Run SD+Whip+Cudgel on ogerpon + one of trailblaze, knock off, encore, substitute or play rough

Iron Moth @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 124 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fiery Dance
• Dazzling Gleam
• Psychic
• Substitute

And use this for moth

[tranquil shoal]

is national dex allowed here

[brisk cedar]

U can go like energy ball and or sludge wave over psychic and gleam and change the tera type to something

[brisk cedar]

There's a natdex forum, I'll ping u there

[tranquil shoal]

ty!

[brisk cedar]

Wait nvm it's locked

Aorry

[tranquil shoal]

huh

so i cant share the team anywhere atm?

[brisk cedar]

U could try sending in natdex discord https://discord.gg/7DsdTuD5bV @tranquil shoal

[tranquil shoal]

ty

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/1ab5de80d6c077f4
Zapdos Offense with court change ace to get any hazards.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

swap zap for lead glimm, and swap dozo for manahpy

u team is very offensive, there is no need to slow it down with dozo

[tranquil niche]

I've been having issues with gliscor without dozo

Should I replace dozo with take heart mana?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/d0ebbedb6fa230d6

[tranquil niche]

Could work but I want to keep zapdos

[forest magnet]

is it bc u like it

[tranquil niche]

The entire team was based around zapdos

[forest magnet]

the team can work fine without zapdos

[tranquil niche]

and i don't really want hazards on the team

[forest magnet]

zapdos is better on a more defensive team

[tranquil niche]

I want to try out court change ace to get hazards on the field

fair enough ig

Yeah I'll replace zapdos with something else

[forest magnet]

well i mean ur playing the game leadless

just use glimm

sometimes they might not have hazards

[tranquil niche]

aren't most teams having hazards rn

[forest magnet]

having a hazard lead sets the pace of the game in ur hands + hazards enable ur sweepers

[tranquil niche]

Alr yeah fair enough

[forest magnet]

yeah hope it helps, ask me of anything else is needed

[tranquil niche]

Would running coverage on ace work better instead of court change if I'm using hazards anyways?

or do I keep court change?

[forest magnet]

keep court change, it can help vs webs teams

like vs webs u just don't use glimm until u get webs on the opp's side

[tranquil niche]

What kind of team would offensive zapdos work on?

[forest magnet]

a balance style team or rain

i would highly reccomend defensive zapdos tho

zapdos is too slow to be used as an serious attacker

[tranquil niche]

I tried defensive zap on semi stall already i kinda wanted to used a offensive one

I'll try a balance team for now ig

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/5bdeeb49d26cdef3

try this

team peaked top 50 ^

[tranquil niche]

Alr I'll try that

Ty

[forest magnet]

np

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/530f6433380d50d4

Idk if this team is even decent

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/1a6722e2f5629173
Trying to make a offensive zapdos balance

I tried to use assault vest glowking instead of dozo but I had a bit of a tusk issue

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/f76f0c2bd8380a80

[forest magnet]

delete this please, only for sv ou

[sly mauve]

alright

how do i msg uu

[fierce basin]

I think uu rates are opening soon

[sly mauve]

thank

[buoyant prawn]

https://pokepast.es/9716d70b946aacb9 SV OU

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[buoyant prawn]

might use it for suspect test

[fallow crag]

I could see grassy seed on manaphy

[buoyant prawn]

ooh that's fun

[buoyant prawn]

im thinking of adding Ribombee instead of Cinderace

i have no para checks

https://pokepast.es/9d12e90d92f85b1b this is a modification a copy

[buoyant prawn]

is that it?

[fierce basin]

Hi, none of these mons take advantage of webs except manaphy really. you have the fastest guys in the metagame and an unburden sneasler. I think you're better off trying to work with your first paste.
Your chosen pult set is walled by some of the most common mons in the tier (kingambit/arguably physdef tusk), I replaced it with a mixed wisp set w hex due to the outbreak of gliscors
replaced your cinderace w seed hatt, abuses terrain and the current climate of webs/gliscors/stall. 56 speed evs to outspeed pex to make sure you hit your stored power before getting hazed
I took off dire claw on your sneasler for night slash, hits ghold paves the way for hatt
updated paste https://pokepast.es/bf8f7834498af614
other potential options:
terrain extender on rillaboom
sd val
seed manaphy

hope this helps glhf

[buoyant prawn]

thank you

[ebon locust]

I just went 13-0 with this team

[fierce basin]

I just don't miss

[fierce basin]

UU rates are open now

[haughty apex]

Can I improve something? https://pokepast.es/ab58ecc7541eb33d

[fierce basin]

This is a national dex team

[haughty apex]

Yes but it does not allow writing to the nat dex channel

[carmine prawn]

Hey, I'm new to the competitve scene but I really enjoy playing trick room. I've been getting my butt kicked on ladder though. Can I get some help on my current team? Thanks! @broken adder

https://pokepast.es/1ac57bc16802a5a2

[void briar]

thanks bro I kinda learned it all the hard way

just saw this

[fierce basin]

Hi, I don't think trick room is great atm but if you enjoy it I'll try to just improve it while keeping it full trick room
meow isn't a great trick room setter since it's so fast and frail. I replaced it w cresselia who is generally bulky enough to get up trick room and store a healing wish.
changed your hatt set and spread
replaced torkoal ancient power w solar beam, sludge bomb w fire blast for when you don't have full strength eruption
replaced conk w ursaluna, a better tr guts sweeper
made your toedscruel (waste of turns) a glastrier (goes with your chilly reception)
-heal pulse + psyshock on slowking-galar, lefties over black sludge incase you ever have to tera it so the sludge doesnt hurt you (made it tera water so you have at least a fake water resist)
PAste w changes https://pokepast.es/90f6b31b5fdaa2f8
glhf

[ionic trench]

https://pokepast.es/12c5f3b94d096529 bulk offense teams

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/582f7bb3bd05d2ac made rillaboom banded better for revenging + damage, and swapped dnite for manaphy. its a bulky win condition that boosts defence + alot of healing per turn thanks to terrain. also adds some spa to the team

[carmine prawn]

Thank you so much! It sucks that trick room isnt good right now, I really enjoy hyper offense and teams I can just sweep given proper setup. Do you know a team like that I can try?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/9dbb3399fdfb9655

roaring moon ho

https://pokepast.es/041d4d715e7e8c2f

azelf ho ^ this ones better

[fierce basin]

Here's the link to the current svou sample teams. There's some h.o here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

Matte gave u some others but I went and got the link so I had to post it

[ruby crest]

It got updated

[forest magnet]

rlly? i checked not seeing it

[hearty notch]

https://pokepast.es/69ea11e6e31a0d7b

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hushed lynx]

https://pokepast.es/5cf2c437d24a0e59

[fallen surge]

https://pokepast.es/c0f20889faf04b10 rate this quaquavel

Team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Run power whip over horn leech on waterpon, run tera flying/steel on ghold with air balloon, run ice spinner and bulk up on tusk with booster, drop spin and knock, run tera ghost on glim and drop spikes for power gem, if you're running special val run cm moonblast shadow ball and either encore or hypnosis that's up to you, drop substitute

https://pokepast.es/a4659b9c4afbe39b here's the paste

[hearty notch]

Thank you

[ebon locust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1972161225

[spiral fable]

You’re like one step away from a full ho team so you might as well dedicate
I would recommend a screens team, if you want to keep kommo-o
Swap gliscor for atales, drop gholdengo for double dance manaphy, and I would personally run roaring moon instead of dnite but that’s up to you

https://pokepast.es/3a66bb2da39b6794
this taem does stack types a bit so feel free to swap out mons if you want you can swap on zamazenta or moth if you want

[spiral fable]

Frankly quaquaval doesn't really fit on this team(or really ou in general), imo if you want to use it you should slot it on a ho team
https://pokepast.es/06547613e864ae89
Here's an example, webs allows quaquaval to snowball faster and not have to worry about getting revenged by val and moth, though you can slot it on a screens team for easier set up, or just a glimmora hazard team for easier kos

@ebon locust wrong channel? or if you wanted a team rating post your team paste

[hearty notch]

Im really struggling against moth. Should i add wake or something?

[spiral fable]

You could swap out glim for ribombee and run a webs team, or swap psyshock over shadow ball on Val, or drop ghold for your own moth with psychic

[oak ledge]

https://pokepast.es/7585d535378d7ace
Sun Team I made, how is it?

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/434b13b2cf021a13
Swapped on lava plume over overheat on torkoal for more consistency + burn
Flip turn over hurricane??? on wake
Tera grass lilligant
BU set on tusk and you can run a different item i just kept lefties for fun, plus tera ice and close combat
shocks over cinderace, you need another spattacker and shocks does the job well + some nice speed control

[oak ledge]

Thank you!

[autumn oxide]

https://pokepast.es/ad15e6b97b0ffc54 i made a status spam team but need some help on some of the mons (preferably dragapult and pawmot staying)

the first problem is that it is very weak to ground

second problem is that almost always loses to rain

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/7f1422c446afa838 Made dragapult boots, too many hazards rn as well as sneasler. Swapped gambit for ogerpon, helps the rain matchup as well as another pivot, made sneasler boots too bc zapdos + molt is not as common and slowking deals w them. swapped pawmot for slowking galar, it helps with future sight support + chilly to get rid of weather. also swapped tusk for gliscor for a bulkier wall

status spam should be more defensive bc you want to wear them down w status but still able to take hits

[autumn oxide]

why do both gliscor and ogerpon have spikes?

[forest magnet]

for two setters + creates a mind game w oger

u can swap spikes on gliscor for toxic spikes or steath rock

[autumn oxide]

in that case i would probably go for stealth rock since tspikes will just mess up will-o-wisp for dragapilt

*dragapult

[forest magnet]

sure

[autumn oxide]

btw isnt the team a bit weak to gambit / roaring moon?

[forest magnet]

toxic with gliscor then fakeout cycle w sneasler

for gambit sneasler + gliscor also deals w it

pult can help if needed

[forest magnet]

just position it well

*ur mons

like try not to let things in for free etc..

[vagrant mulch]

im tryna make an OU team with this core, but im not sure what to use for the other 3 mons. any suggestions?

[spiral fable]

Ask #comp-general , we only help with fully made teams

[vagrant mulch]

I did no1 answered

If anyone could help in here that’d be nice

[spiral fable]

once again, this is for full teams only, you can try asking the ou chat room on pkmn showdown/pulling a sample team

[idle brook]

Rate my team if you may.
https://pokepast.es/1dfb84fdc5c8c76b

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

This team feels really lost, you have two suicide leads but then a corviknight with defog? and an offensive gliscor with a defensive tera?

[idle brook]

...

I'm f##ked am I?

[spiral fable]

What team style were you going for?

Hyper offense? Webs, or hazards? Or a more bulky offense/balance?

[idle brook]

Hyper Offense and Webs. (And maybe Hazard-Negater)

[spiral fable]

well ho can't fit hazard control, most ho teams just either accept hazards or have their own suicide lead which shuts down opposing hazards

https://pokepast.es/210e1fc8a9f50966
Here's an ou webs sample taem you can mess around with, personally I would drop breloom for water pon but that's just me

@idle brook

[idle brook]

Thanks

[vital onyx]

https://pokepast.es/b4f67b10715b0d3d tried to make weavile work in sv ou
Did i cook?

[hushed lynx]

What's double dance manaphy for

[spiral fable]

screens double dance manaphy is nasty

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/67e016babbd4f22b

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

I really don’t like heatran and Garg on your team

[upper maple]

Should I use the offensive pivot set on goer

[spiral fable]

Heatran has a horrible matchup into gliscor, and imo there’s just better options than garg

[upper maple]

Ok

[spiral fable]

You already have two pivots no need for a third

Also ho kinda steamrolls this team especially any team running oger pon

Webs is your worst nightmare and if it goes up you’re kinda screwed

[upper maple]

Should I run hatt?

🗿

[spiral fable]

Think you might have to yeah

Drop Garg for hat probably slot on gliscor over heatran

You might want defensive tusk? Helps in the matchup against val

Spinner knock spin eq

[upper maple]

Ok

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/88b3e1cc825a8a5a

This?

Spdef scor?

[spiral fable]

Maybe, lmk how the moth matchup goes

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/f57c16d2d6f79b72

[blazing swift]

kommo-o seems out of place because its generally a HO mon

[worldly marlin]

https://pokepast.es/974d5425e91501e1
Bulky sun offense, So far the one Pokemon that gives me issues is Sneasler after an SD acrobatics. Appreciate any feedback

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fierce basin]

R u doing this 1

Or the one above

@spiral fable don't want to snipe u

[spiral fable]

There’s no point in running bulky offense with sun you’re just wasting sun turns on the more passive mons
Run specs wake over life orb, drop pulse for flip turn
Tusk over gliscor, run the bu lefties set with cc headlong rush and ice spinner
Instead of slither wing run shocks, with life orb and speed boosting proto 4 attack
Run hatterene with eject button nuzzle healing wish dazzling gleam psychic/mystical fire

https://pokepast.es/dd959a24355e0a8a

[worldly marlin]

Appreciate the advice and the team. Why is Tusk's tera typing Ice?

[spiral fable]

to murder gliscor

[worldly marlin]

OH got it, thanks 😊

[brisk cedar]

U could also play with other mons over shocks

Like kingambit

[spiral fable]

not really

he desperately needs speed control on this team

booster moth outspeeds the entire team and with the right coverage, can pose a serious nuisance

[inland peak]

https://pokepast.es/36c62c41457eefb4 can someone help me make a team for this core

[spiral fable]

This is a fully built team by finch, why are you asking for it to be rated

[inland peak]

https://pokepast.es/11f60a3755e5c7a8 srry wrong team lol

[spiral fable]

we only rate fully built teams if you want help with a core you should ask #comp-general

[inland peak]

https://pokepast.es/97ffd373b8c6e67b any suggestions would be appreciated

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/6ec5e0a0def0896d swapped sneaslers set for an air ballon one, better for HO as a sweeper, made kingambit bulky for a better shadow ball switchin and gave ogerpon encore over play rough to make things setup fodder (eg protect gliscor) as well as to help beat dondozo

[inland peak]

Thx bro team looks wayyy better

[keen vapor]

Anyone want to help with my team

[sly mauve]

volt turn https://pokepast.es/109ed4c479298c50

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[surreal bloom]

I don’t see volt

[sly mauve]

the playstyle name is volt turn

[spiral fable]

This team really isn't viable: It gets bowled over by ho, especially against moth, and half of this team isn't even ou. You also have no real way of breaking stall outside of meow knock, which can't break gliscor
Frankly I don't think its really salvagable, I would recommend just picking up a sample.
Here's a balance team with volt turn, you can try it out
https://pokepast.es/925681e8b19c8773

[sly mauve]

isnt that a literal jimmothy cool team

[spiral fable]

It's a sample team, he probably got it from there

[sly mauve]

im not trying to use sample teams

[spiral fable]

I can’t salvage your team without scrapping at least two-three mons

[serene cedar]

https://pokepast.es/a48a2588887aebfe

I want to run Morpeko

I like this team generally but I have 3 Ghost types, what can I do about this..?

Aka which ghost do i kick off

[fierce basin]

dont run morpeko in ou

[serene cedar]

he's my pocket pick tho

and is my electric coverage on the team

tera ice gives me bolt beam too 🔥

[vestal gull]

https://pokepast.es/32d5f79c0bb37fc5 any thoughts?

[real willow]

Go to the RMT forums or the OU Team Bazaar then

There are plenty of good OU teams that aren't samples

[forest magnet]

@weak vortex

rate this team :)

[woven lava]

https://pokepast.es/076d01e1bf28b2e2 Made this team to counter the mons I really hate fighting againstrn (moon and ribombee). CM Hat sometimes gets out of control against me, but for the most part I think I've been managing well against most teams. also booster atk tusk is a problem

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[west harbor]

what kind of team style are you going for here? you have screens + 3 booster offense mons that suggest you want to build hyper offense, but mandibuzz / defensive lando don’t really fit in that type of team because they’re a lot more passive and give free turns to the opponent to recover / pivot etc

[woven lava]

Originally I was going for a volt turn balance team with val + moon as win cons. Thun is good lead with prankster t-wave and taunt and good enough bulk take on to common leads. Grim is the screen setter/other lead option with def evs plus play rough to beat tusk 1v1. The last two slots are the problem at this point. I don't run HO often so not the most familiar with piloting it. I was thinking u-turn on buzz and lando would make up for the passiveness

Originally I had max def SD gliscor with crabhamemr over facade, in which I found myself wanting to use knock off or u-turn but didn't know what to drop for it. The lando slot I just didn't know what to use

also the team has very slow speed tiers after val

[west harbor]

the team itself feels kinda muddled with styles, what specifically would you want to keep? the best you could rly get out of it is either some mandibuzz balance with glisc spikes or val + moon offense. thund isn’t rly viable when gliscor is the best mon in the tier / moon/gambit are top 5, and screens teams have kinda trended away from grimm to being alolatales veil

i’d recommend trying to build around a particular style or trying out some sample teams https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/#post-9432596

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/3f1c7b6ad8e4a846 tips? Team started purely as a shower thought “hmm everybody seems to really hate gambit, ghold ig, emp is back, and corv is slowly rising in usage cuz of its synergy with moon and its matchup against moon…zone kinda cooks them no?” Ik ghold switches out cuz of ghost typing, but thats still fine seeing as not much wants to take a 300+ defense bp, or a nearly 400 spatk tbolt/flash cannon

Also gliscor loses to zone when u tera, tera fighting is also to ohko bulky gambit with press after the 204 defense evs

Afterwards i noticed half my team cooks fairies other half gets cooked by fairies lol… also i noticed it lacks momentum, that might be a problem, wasnt sure tho, was considering making pult specs and make ace will-o defensive

[hot relic]

https://pokepast.es/e6ad02e5c6d9b663

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/dd06d017befd2986
Standard sticky Web HO but with hatterene cuz I wanted to stop other sticky Web teams

[real willow]

!pokepaste

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

if you're going to run hatterene might as well run eject button with healing wish, other than that idk its standard ho

[tranquil niche]

I did want to run a modest cm set as a bit of a wallbreaker

while denying webs and other hazards

But that seems decent too

[spiral fable]

You have no hazard removal and cinderace really doesn't fit well on this spikes stacking team, val & moth run through most of this team and only clef can resist anything, frankly magnezone sucks in ou and you're forced to tera against the most common mon in the tier, and unaware clef generally sucks + you easily get toxiced by gliscor and you're screwed by any encore/taunt mon
I would recommend picking up a sample team, I don't really think this team is salvagable without some major reworks https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/#post-9432596

[forest magnet]

please make a pokepaste

[cloud blade]

oof back to the builder, thx for the tips

i think i should in the future stop trying to make teams around niche mons and instead only use them when a team enjoys having a mon that fills a specific niche

[forest magnet]

^ this

i was going to rate ur team, but i would suggest building around a solid mon already, and then add niche mons if it fits the bill

[acoustic quail]

hi!

[forest magnet]

heya! post a ou team here if u want it rated :)

[acoustic quail]

yea, just misstyped xD. but trying to assemble a team but finding it difficult since i have no clue whats good or not. tryed to have a look at the samples above, do you mind giving me some advice?

[forest magnet]

ah, what style u trying to build

#comp-general

lets move here

ping me there

[sly mauve]

please rate my rain tem for OU and SV online https://pokepast.es/c979f6cdd471c95c

[real willow]

leftovers > black sludge on pex

cuz if you tera your pex then you take damage from sludge

also

are you trying to build a team for both SV OU and SV BSS?

[forest magnet]

@sly mauve just tell us this before we rate

[sly mauve]

thanks for the tip i'll definetly change it

what is BSS

[forest magnet]

on the switch

[real willow]

in-game singles ladder format

[sly mauve]

oh no i want to use this team for both OU and BSS

[real willow]

bring 6 pick 3 singles w/ item clause

[spiral fable]

well we don't build for bss

[real willow]

this is the SV OU channel

[sly mauve]

really why

[real willow]

we have bss players, though

[spiral fable]

this is the sv ou channel

if you want a bss team wait for the thread to reopen or ask general

[real willow]

idt there is a bss channel

[viral sable]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[spiral fable]

there is its just dead

[real willow]

they do have a bss discord server where you can ask there

we can rate the team as an ou team

[sly mauve]

yeah thats ok

[sly mauve]

yeah i saw that to thats why i came in this thread in the hope you could help me chec if my team is good for both BSS and OU

[spiral fable]

most of us dno't play bss so we can't rate for that

[sly mauve]

oh thats ok only OU is fine to

[spiral fable]

This team really isn't salvagable: Val runs through it, I don't know what's up with the evs on zapdos nor why you have tera fire when it doesn't have heat wave, you have three mons that really want tera, and two which are near mandatory for a tera, and both garg and skeledirg have bad matchsup into gliscor
I would recommend you use a sample team for now: https://pokepast.es/d997ae7d206161df
Here's a nice balance team that still uses dirge

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/6b0c4b93c06a7b71

swapped basculegion for barraskewda, its higher speed tier is better for this meta right now (eg out of rain) swapped pex for bb gren, serves as a helper to barrskewda to pick off weakend mons + is way less passive. also made zapdos a bit mroe defensive to tank a sucker from gambit

[sly mauve]

thanks for your tips. but 1 question though. with bb gren do you mean brute bonnet?

[spiral fable]

battle bond

[forest magnet]

battle bond gren

[hot relic]

wouldn’t dondozo just be better to have on there than clodsire?

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/1500061d65a1540c

[ruby crest]

Hazard stack even tho it’s just spikes + cinderace is honestly a bit redundant as u can easily screw urself over by court changing ur hazards to ur side, so either commit to hazard stack and do a diff hazard control or not do hazard stack here

[static crow]

any opnions on last team member? https://pokepast.es/91c4723efe1f8015

[astral crane]

Is ribombee or atales preferred on an ho

[forest magnet]

please only post finished teams

[forest magnet]

depends on what style

sticky webs or veil isn't comparable

[astral crane]

I'm aware but u do nearly the same thing after all

U set up then u sweep

[inland peak]

Matte what do you think is more viable rn webs or veil?

[forest magnet]

i would say veil

[static crow]

sounds good, where would i go if i wanted a teammate recommendation such as the link i posted?

[forest magnet]

#comp-general

there

[inland peak]

You have a non sample veil team you can slide 👀

[astral crane]

k hold on

[forest magnet]

lemme see 🧑‍🍳

[inland peak]

Goat sh**

[ruby crest]

fwiw keep this thread related to rmt otherwise redirect to #comp-general

[astral crane]

https://pokepast.es/7274a36edae6e9d4

What changes do i do

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/9f67e8bf26406600

[forest magnet]

pretty similar to this team: https://pokepast.es/9f67e8bf26406600, i would suggest this over ur team but if u want to keep ur team just tell me what mons u wanna keep

[astral crane]

Ion like using moon or kommo😭

Somehow they seem bad in my eyes

[spiral fable]

well moon is really good and kommo-o is pretty strong on screens team ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inland peak]

Moon and Kommo what a menace thanks goat

[astral crane]

whatever

Any replace for kommo-o there

Also would be better to go azu > manaphy there

[inland peak]

https://pokepast.es/26804f2f1faf92be

Replace haxorus on this please 🙏🏾 😭

[spiral fable]

no, manaphy is way better

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/210e1fc8a9f50966
I don't know why you only have 1 mon that actually enjoys webs on this team, idk why haxorus is there nor why your tusk has a defensive set, just run a sample webs team for now

[inland peak]

I stole it from jamvad 😳

[spiral fable]

no idea who that is but its a wack team just use a sample

[hybrid wharf]

I am struggling against stall teams, specifically gliscor stall https://pokepast.es/5eba34420e31bf2f). This is my sun team https://pokepast.es/b9fbc074d3ee2154. It could be that I am just bad at playing vs stall

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fierce basin]

hi, with the goal of improving your stall matchup:
I replaced your scarf enam with a cm hatterene. Gives you a real gliscor switchin, 52 speed allows you to outspeed pex so it cant haze you before you stored power. psyshock is another option if you want to break without required setup but I think this is prob better. Can also go nuzzle over mystical fire
I think specs wake w booster speed is more consistent than life orb agility. EVs are for speed boost but you can change it if you want.
replaced roaring moon dragon claw w outrage
ceruledge prob isnt the most consistent mon but the paste is named ceruledge sun so i didnt want to remove it
https://pokepast.es/c89801f69a826b28 here's the updated paste gl

[nocturne dagger]

i think boots or sash would be better on ledge no?

[fierce basin]

I was considering sash on it since there's a hatt now but I wasn't sure if he utilized the lefties to heal while outplaying kingambit suckers to get out of range w tera fight, since it's HP invest. Def not boots with hatt

[ruby crest]

Spidget why isn’t this just speed booster cb moon

[small breach]

Who needs speed

defense booster moon is better ong

[fierce basin]

Cause it's speed booster wake

And he said he wanted to improve the stall matchup u wanna take away his power?

[ruby crest]

Stall mu still looks annoying but more bearable I supposed even then double speed booster is normal

[fierce basin]

Sure if I'm just rating a sun team I'd realistically make it speed booster moon. But he specifically said he was struggling vs stall and even had a paste so if I made it speed booster I was sabotaging his goal

The real mistake is both draco meteor and dragon pulse. Should make pulse knock or flip turn for sure

[small breach]

pulse is such a generic move and its outclassed by so many other moves

its lack of downsides dont make up for its mediocrity

[fervent willow]

https://pokepast.es/bfefbe69be7277f2

looking for a 6th man for this team, thinking about something that gets rocks or spikes up, but I think running glimmora or gliscor would be such a big momentum killer that my main consideration rn would be chomp, although I am open to better options

[small breach]

Samurott-Hisui maybe

[plucky radish]

great tusk works
jolly max attack max speed booster energy stealth rock choose 3 from close combat headlong rush earthquake knock off ice spinner rapid spin bulk up

[inland peak]

Who would you replace ceruledge with?

[astral crane]

💀

[spiral fable]

we only rate completed teams, i would recommend asking #comp-general if you have unfinished teams, or the forums

[vital coral]

https://pokepast.es/320e243419ace03f first attempt on a sv team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hybrid wharf]

Thank you!

[vital onyx]

https://pokepast.es/b4f67b10715b0d3d

Tried to make weavile work in sv ou

Did i cook?

[surreal bloom]

u cook i think

[fierce basin]

Hi, I'd probably scrap and pick a sample team to learn to play and go from there. Here is why:
You don't need 2 screen setters w grimmsnarl/ninetales-alo. One fills the role fine, and grimmsnarl is generally pretty easy to take advantage of in the current meta with top tier dark types that set up
Screens teams are generally hyper offense, mons like gliscor and corv are just a waste of screens turns. If you plan to play screens you should generally just have 5 offensive guys along with your setter.
judging from your about me the goal was to play with torterra, so here's a webs team with torterra from team of the week a couple weeks ago https://pokepast.es/c9b5e3e5b8a13d29, and if you're trying to get into comp as your paste says try familiarizing yourself w sample teams and why they have what they have https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
glhf

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/0f14efcb6581bfd2
Dragonite balance without hazard removal. I could put corv over something like dozo or zap but I prefer them for this team rn

[marble void]

https://pokepast.es/e132d1b92e047aaa

bulky offense team, liked the gliscor+rilla+sneasler core and just kind of built from there. tusk for hazard removal, rocks, potential breaker. glowking as a spdf pivot. ogerpon likes the grassy terrain and water absorb seemed nice

(rilla is meant to have grassy surge there, not overgrow)

[spiral fable]

Your team is extremely weak to ho, especially screens, and your team is extremely suspectible to getting knocked. You have a really bad matchup against gliscor, who can toxic/knock most if not all of this team and harass you with hazards. You’re lacking immediate power, with black glasses gambit really only kicking in after a few mons go down. I would recommend running a sample for now, https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/.
https://pokepast.es/d997ae7d206161df
Here's a nice hazard stack sample

[spiral fable]

Drip dire claw on sneasler for night slash, swap rillaboom’s set for a cb one, drop flamethrower on gking for Twave and ice beam for thunder wave, you desperately need some spattackers I would drop gliscor honestly for ghold, and run a phys def set on tusk

[marble void]

I'll give it a shot, thanks! Felt like gliscor+rilla played nice together

[small breach]

https://pokepast.es/a9b629e4a8f4ece6 Dual Weather Team, any suggestions? (Besides not doing two different weather types, because that defeats the purpose of the whole gimmick)

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

well frankly this gimmick isn't going to work so the best advice we could give you is scrap it

[fallow crag]

Check the rules, gimmick teams aren't allowed in this channel

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/642488eb81c6ce0a

thinking maybe drop sandslash for oger or smth but any other criticism is welcome

[small breach]

Maybe consider using Terra Water for Sandslash, as while you lose the immunity to fighting, you gain a resistance to your other 4x weakness to fire and you dont give yourself a sucker punch weakness

Fairy would also work as just a resist to fighting

which will still be okay given the natural bulk of slash

[vital coral]

Tysm I’ll try to apply the feedback

[quick bluff]

fairy might be the play if i keep it yeah

[small breach]

if you're running terrablast on FrostMoth steel types are probably gonna be the hardest to hit so consider terra fire

[quick bluff]

then i can't hit fire mons, water/grass/ice is perfect coverage however
+water is a much better defensive typing

[small breach]

You could have perfect coverage with Electric/Ice too maybe

[spiral fable]

Drop sandslash, drop frosmoth, run zamazenta with the id set, run bulky gambit with dark glasses, idk what's up with the evs on moon but just run full attack speed, eq over roost on moon, and maybe run sub moth over gholdengo but that's up to you
If you want to keep ghold make it air balloon with psyshock over recover

lemme whip up a paste rq

[quick bluff]

evs on moon was just to outspeed ival, but i can easily make it max max

[spiral fable]

veil + tera flying should be good enough since after 1 ddance you're faster anyways

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/6fffd5c0550c9b3f

here's the paste

[quick bluff]

neat, thank you!

...is there any way i could keep frosmoth over zama or mana?

[spiral fable]

uh

i really wouldn't recommend it

fros kinda sucks but if you REALLY want it drop zama ig

[dense gull]

Just a team I cooked up on a break https://pokepast.es/216b3b6cd7249dd7

[spiral fable]

uh frankly this team isn't salvagable

Why do you have a blissey on a non stall team, or glimmora on a non ho team, lo pult in general is sus especially since you don't have ddance on it and its physical, you have bulky ghold without lefties and you still run shadow ball over hex despite running twave, the tusk set is questionable, and why is clef tera fighting with ice beam

[dense gull]

honestly didn't even remember hex was a move lmao

also ho team?

[spiral fable]

hyper offense

[dense gull]

o

[spiral fable]

i would recommend you use some samples for now, here's the link https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[sturdy rapids]

Need some help adjusting this team, https://pokepast.es/ff95dce4b8bb8ba5. I think it needs some work but i'm not too sure what exactly.

[small breach]

SD on Valiant

[inland peak]

@forest magnet might as well make it a booster valiant

[forest magnet]

wsg

oh i'll rate it

[inland peak]

Nah I ain't mean to @ you for that lol but might as well. But do you have a sun team?

[forest magnet]

i'll get u one

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/0ab1203f1a59b9a3 try this

[inland peak]

Thanks goat 🫡

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/0413c56ad0855f83 made this a boots spam team, meaning you will chip things down w hazards + status to win. made toxapex spd, made great tusk offensive to give firepower + threatens gliscor, made pult boots + hex to abuse status more and made val 4 attacks + boots to come in an chip things down + remove items

[grizzled mural]

How do I get my team rated here?

[forest magnet]

just post it 👍

[grizzled mural]

Aight

https://pokepast.es/2465dd53435ad5af

I think it’s a hyper offence

[forest magnet]

nah its not, its more of a balance style but what direction do u want me to take it?

i can make it into a HO

[grizzled mural]

Let’s work on what we have first I think

What’s the major weaknesses

[forest magnet]

iron val

[grizzled mural]

So I need to either add more fairy/flying coverage innit

Acrobatics on Moon can’t outspeed?

[forest magnet]

well first i would suggest choosing an direction, you are split between ho/balance which you generally want to stick to 1 style

[forest magnet]

booster is the most common item on it

[grizzled mural]

So that means I need to either take a hit from it or outspeed huh

[grizzled mural]

Well let’s push HO

[forest magnet]

alr sure

[grizzled mural]

What do you recommend changing then

Maybe something faster?

[forest magnet]

i would suggest scrapping the team, if i where to make changes it would be too diffrent to ur orginal team. I'll provide a sample similar to your team

[grizzled mural]

I don’t mind doing a new team if that’s the case, I just put it together while on the toilet this morning

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/0ab1203f1a59b9a3

i would strongly suggest trying this out

[grizzled mural]

Aight ty

[forest magnet]

np

[grizzled mural]

So what’s my answer to IVal in this team

[forest magnet]

speed boosting wake in the sun + roaring moon in the sun as well as corv + clefable

checks all forms of val

[grizzled mural]

Ok I can see that

What is there to watch out for then

[forest magnet]

corv + clef

[grizzled mural]

What’s the counterplay?

I just tried out the team I must admit it’s very good

[forest magnet]

nothing if u play good :)

[sharp peak]

is this good? https://pokepast.es/eca2187046195b13

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ruby crest]

not sure why ribombee has 3 attacks, but make dengo standard ballon np, knock moon > crunch and quake > dclaw, do ogerpon w > quack who just does it job a lot better, and do sub 3 attacks iron moth https://pokepast.es/9975e3b968f15241 heres an import of the team with changes

[sharp peak]

ty

[delicate pike]

https://pokepast.es/481530322584dcae
I think Im onto something here

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sturdy rapids]

Looks great, thanks

[honest sonnet]

not expecting a high rating at all
wanted to try webs but I don't know how feasible this team will be because I know jack shit about g9
any and all advice is appreciated 🙏🏿
https://pokepast.es/2c1b20f04c6fee57

[quick bluff]

webs necessitates gholdengo, for spinblocking, I’d drop pex for dhengo as pex on webs is eh

change chandelure to specs I’d say, and swap cm for smth else

fire blast/dark pulse

if you want to keep chandelure

[honest sonnet]

if im using ghol would chandelure even be necessary

[quick bluff]

prob not but having a backup spinblocker isn’t bad

mamo on webs also feels a little off, especially since you already have tusk

i’d swap it for some other mon, notably manaphy or booster spatk wake/moth are great on webs

[honest sonnet]

alright

tysm dawg

i was torn on this team

[quick bluff]

np!

[honest sonnet]

should I go air balloon ghol?

[quick bluff]

i would yeah

[honest sonnet]

ok

[quick bluff]

balloon /max speed and spatk

or max hp/max speed if you want a bulkier spinblocker

mir or gleam/shadow ball/recover/nasty plot i’d say

is what’s usually run on webs iirc

[honest sonnet]

I could use the bulk since otherwise I'd only have tusk

so I'll go bulky

[quick bluff]

sounds good!

also this is entirely personal preference but you can swap psychic on bee for skill swap, helps to set webs on hatt and also hurts gliscor

[honest sonnet]

I hadn't thought about that

I'll definitely do that tho

also leftovers timid manaphy?

revision
https://pokepast.es/b6c3393b8434d66f

I've used lo hoopa in the past and it has worked well

a part of me really wants to throw gunk on hoopa to throw off a fairy

[marble void]

https://pokepast.es/e52d82bcf2216286

Wanted to try something bulky, switch out often and just outvalue opponents by forcing them to deal with manaphy+zama when they get an opportunity to come in

No idea if it's any good but i like the glowking+gliscor+toxa

Probably need knock off on something

[ruby crest]

imma be real a lot of the mons here are not good web abusers or just face stiff competition by something better, if u really want to use webs i recommend looking at this team to get a better idea https://pokepast.es/210e1fc8a9f50966

[honest sonnet]

ok ty

[spiral fable]

Just run spdef pex I have no idea why you have ice spinner and liquidation + 252 attack on pex
Run spikes on gliscor instead of tspikes
Run attack booster on moon instead of speed booster
Run scarf enamorus, much stronger than gren which really struggles to get kos without orb/specs
Drop sneasler for specs wake, though pult is also an option

[fierce basin]

hi, you cant take psychic off of ribombee, you need it for glimm. on the topic of glimm, make your bee tera steel over tera ghost. tera ghost isnt as valuable as blocking mortal spin off glim with tera steel imo. You have no physical breakers, and you don't need both chand and ghold imo. Should replace chand with a phys breaker like waterpon/val etc. if youre gonna run gleam on ghold over make it rain should prob make it tera fairy so it actually does damage. ice beam over gleam on manaphy cause I'm worried about your dnite matchup.
Made your tusk offensive, defensive mons on webs are just momentum loss that allows your opp to remove hazards. mixed hoopa is fine, and best imo if you're gonna run the mon.
paste w changes: https://pokepast.es/52f752e2819ca977
other options:
val over waterpon
if you crave defensive utility you can make ghold phys def and slap an AV on hoopa as it has surprising spdef
booster speed on tusk instead of attack
glhf

[honest sonnet]

ty!

[spiral fable]

This team has no immediate power, i would run spdef gking with future sight over psyshock(and maybe twave over ice beam but that's up to you), run offensive utility with rocks on tusk, and drop pex for specs pult

[marble void]

Sounds good, i'll give it a go!

[delicate pike]

Max attack pex is to be able to deal some unexpected damage on things like a gliscor. Why spikes, btw? I find that this team is getting very consistent damage with poison and badly poison. Scarf enamorous makes total sense, greninja isnt doing much except fast pivot. Whats wrong with sneasler? It baits in gholdengo for good damage very often.
I dont mean to be rude Im just trying to learn a bit

[spiral fable]

Max attack pex sucks frankly and you cannot use it for actual walling purposes
Spikes is a lot harder to clear than tspikes, since you have to actually spin/defog
You need special threats not physical and sneasler isn’t that good of a banded threat

[delicate pike]

Oh i see, then! Thank you for your time ^^

[fervent willow]

https://pokepast.es/1d08a04387529b01

around 30 games in with this team, and I've found it really struggles with really fast mons and scarfers, plus it might just be a skill issue, but playing 5-6 with ribombee probably being dead or dying after the first three turns is a lot harder to pull off even with webs

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Why do you have webs but only 2 actual abusers

[fervent willow]

who else can you suggest

[spiral fable]

Actually here's theres a sample team

https://pokepast.es/210e1fc8a9f50966

[fervent willow]

I'll give this one a go and get back to you

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/b0fb825be2d20135

[upper maple]

Lacking spdef maybe

And speed control

[spiral fable]

meow sucks in ou rn

[spiral fable]

emp sucks in ou drop it for gking, swap tusk to a defensive utility set, swap hatterene for val(set is up to you but i would run mixed), and drop meow for either banded zama or waterpon with encore it's up to you

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/3d91db5c153683af

Is this fine

[spiral fable]

boots gking

other than that looks good

o wait

no sd ogerpon

not uturn

[upper maple]

So the pivot sample set? Or just change it to boots only

[spiral fable]

pivot sample set

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/fb08b6c215dc46da

[spiral fable]

yes

[rough pecan]

decided to cook up hyper beam hoopa

https://pokepast.es/cd302903ccf417e1

[patent nest]

any particular reason for having hyper beam on hoopa?

[rough pecan]

For shits and giggles

[patent nest]

ah I see, really interesting

personally I'd just run trick/focus blast/ knock off over it, but the idea is absolutely hilarious

[rough pecan]

thx

I just wanted an excuse for using the funny RBY move

and I saw a big special attack stat

and figured I would be cooking

[patent nest]

Yeah I totally get it, you did indeed cook and it looks delicious

[rough pecan]

thx!

[patent nest]

np

[astral crane]

Cyclizar is the true hyperbeam user...

[honest sonnet]

hoopa tera normal hyper beam

[vagrant ivy]

hi guys im really new to competetive pokemon and i wanted to get into it more. for the team i just shoved random things together that looked cool honestly. Im open to all suggestions and you can literally remake the team and ill try it. i just wanna keep dragonite kind of thats all

https://pokepast.es/476aef4a85f7d4b3

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/e0f485340b75d4e1 hi can someone rmt??

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

You just took a sample and dropped val for hoopa, which doesn't work on this team very well, and hyper beam is easy to abuse for a lot of mons. The only advice I would give you is go back to the sample

[spiral fable]

This teams feels all of the place, you have offensive dnite but with roost, you have offensive booster tusk but with hp evs, you have a ho lead in glimmora but none of your mons are ho.
If you're new to competitive pokemon I would recommend running a sample until you get a hang of the metagame
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[rough pecan]

Alright I have a sample already

I'm not even new to competitive

I already have the original sample

[spiral fable]

Yes I know

You just took the sample and dropped val for hoopa

[rough pecan]

I'll make a completely new team later

If that makes you happy.

[spiral fable]

Please do not ask for rates of slightly modified sample teams because the only advice we would give is "go back to the sample"

[rough pecan]

Okay.

Sorry.

[spiral fable]

Hyper beam in general also just doens't really work in ou, you blank into both pult and gholdengo + any faster sub mon, and the recharge turn can give one free turn of setup/switch in that can snowball to a game loss

[rough pecan]

I know hyper beam is a shit move, but I mainly felt like using it for the meme
But I'll come back when I have cooked up a more serious team

[spiral fable]

I have no idea whats up with the evs on pex, ghold doesn't fit on stall in general nowadays and you're running air balloon and hex instead of standard bulky set with lefties and shadow ball, why is your blissey packing two offensive special moves over the much more reliable toss and a utility move, and your ting lu has no recovery meaning it will get chipped extremely fast

Stall is really hard to build this gen, you're limited to certain setes and mons if you don't want to get bowled over and I wouldn't recommend building for it unless you're extremely experienced, instead pick up a sample and get used to the threats you have to watch out for. Here's a good stall team paste https://pokepast.es/47269c56e2af2991

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/8fa40781354c7a3a

[viral sable]

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[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/3fb68971880c1eff: Pretty solid team, Just your evs on the walls are a bit weird. I just tweaked them to wall the meta the best. Made zapdos spd, good mixed wall and swapped wash for mola for wish support on this team as well as a good mixed wall (makes the rain + sun matchup easier) made tusk bulky support to be able to kill ghold.

[spiral fable]

wouldnt gking be better here

instead of mola

[upper maple]

Damn no rocks?

Or do i not need it

[spiral fable]

With court change cinderace and tusk for spin you could try no rocks

I'm personally not a fan but I can see where matte is coming from

[upper maple]

Aight

[forest magnet]

you can swap knock for rocks on tusk

if u want

[upper maple]

Why gking

[forest magnet]

gives better spd coverage

but then ur weak on the phys side

[spiral fable]

im a huge fan of gking

i think zapdos is a fraud

[forest magnet]

keep my changes u should be good

[upper maple]

Ight

[spiral fable]

(matte hates change)

[forest magnet]

just play smart w mola

wish support keeps the team healthy

[upper maple]

Damn i gotta actually think while playing the team

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/255edc7d0f996a33
I am fr just continuously making teams

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper maple]

Most of them are mid

Tho

[ruby crest]

aint this just a sample team with two different mons from the original

[upper maple]

Is it?

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/925681e8b19c8773

[upper maple]

Dam

Back to teambuilding

[void briar]

https://pokepast.es/0ce715843ee2fed9

my attempt at making a viable team using sample sets and the strategy dex articles

should I change to offensive dpult?

or uturn over curse

[spiral fable]

You don't really have a team strucutre in mind, you have a suicide lead pult(which btw is now outclassed as a screens setter by atales), but then scarf enamorus, specs val, and bulky tusk. I would recommend deciding whether you want to run hyper offense(1 suicide lead 5 set up sweepers) or a more bulky offense, then going here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/ and picking up a sample team.

[main crown]

https://pokepast.es/7e920a9de494c834 I'm trying after a year + away from comp pkmn

[spiral fable]

You don't really have a team strucutre in mind, you have a suicide lead glimmora but no actual ho mons, meow sucks in ou rn, i have no idea why your dnite has wide lens, and tusk is required to run ice spinner nowadays
I would recommend deciding whether you want to run hyper offense(1 suicide lead 5 set up sweepers) or a more bulky offense, then going here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/ and picking up a sample team.

[real willow]

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/41c9d4d4d028157a
Not gonna lie, this is my favorite team I’ve made so far, enjoyed my testing with it so far, any tips on it? (Also scarf samu is just MWAH)

[viral sable]

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[fallow crag]

It's a fun looking team! I think there's some issue though

And you have a moth so you want to keep hazards off

I'd replace gliscor with lead glimmora

I know you have the maus but it ain't consistent at it

[cloud blade]

Question:
By lead glimm, do you mean just the lead glimm sample set but keep it as hazard control role instead, or lead it? I’m just a bit confused, also the gliscors role was sponge physical attacks+spam knock+toxic, and without it the team has no phys def mon, so is there anything else I can do to address that? (The team aim is basically kill their hazard mon(s), then do a maus mini-sweep, and then cleanup with moth+Val, so far I haven’t had much trouble with hazards as I thought, with how much pressure i can put on the standard setters, with maus only needing to get off one tidy up with every other team being webs or suicide lead glimm, then trading off for 1-2 mons)

Would a Phys Def Treads/Corv over the gliscor fit better then glimm?

[fallow crag]

point is you dont really need a phys def mon this is a very offensive team

having a lead glimmora gives you a good chance to get up hazards and deny opponents

you can use moth and samurott to situationally switch into stuff

also I think I would go encore + destiny bond > tbolt psyshock on valiant to make gambit not an auto lose

if you have the early hazard control

you dont need to be put into an awkward situation with maus later

especially if you run into opposing glimmora

where if they get up rocks and a tspike

you just lose

[cloud blade]

My gameplan previously against lead glim, was either leading Maus (bomb then tidy up)/Moth (just dont let it get up tspike) or Samu and Hard into either of those off rip , upon further thought the tspike pressure was by far the biggest problem I’ve had, so ye, part of me forgot I had dnite for ground immunity

Ill have to look at how glimm works, if glimm gets me bullied by sun or regular booster tusk (proto tusk kinda puts me in a bad spot after valiant dies) i might end up just taunt on a faster mon

Like gliscor for a taunt lead landoT

Also ngl to be honest I am not experienced with glimm so that might be why im so skeptical sorry

[fallow crag]

you just lead glimm and let it do its thing

[vital coral]

i tried to make a stall team https://pokepast.es/0976c9932d98678b

[spiral fable]

Stall is really hard to build, but this gen is probably one of the most limiting, and unfortunately your team doesn’t really work. Stall almost always needs the core of blissey + dozo + gliscor, of which you are missing two, empoleon doesn’t have the bulk to repeatedly take hits, pult doesn’t slot on stall at all and milotic is outclassed by mola.
I would recommend running a stall sample team, and getting familiar with the mons you need to watch out for and the stall mons that you need to always run. Here’s a good team from voltage

https://pokepast.es/47269c56e2af2991

[vital coral]

alr tyty

[mossy acorn]

https://pokepast.es/c8efb2693f3c7462 this team good for sv ou

[viral sable]

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[random wolf]

Not a lot of knowledge on ou but seems youd want Gliscor over Ting Lu here

[iron fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/d9e420b5b07f0990

How do I improve this team

[mossy acorn]

Meta changed?

Does gliscor have ruination? NOPE

[high pier]

i dont think that matters tbh

[high pier]

i think snealser uses consumable + unburden

but idk if it runs banded

[random wolf]

yh but Toxic is probably just as valuable

Its the #1 on the vr for a reason, kinda madeall the bulky grounds sad

[high pier]

also ting lu fell of HARD

[gray scroll]

https://pokepast.es/8b44dfc813817222

Is this good?

[high pier]

No acrobatics on sneasle?

[gray scroll]

my friend told me tera blast ice is good..

[strong vapor]

https://pokepast.es/947acc7a0cfce376 dk if this team is good

[strong vapor]

Replace it for ground

Tera ground is optional tho

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/f11d5faf778bd46c

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper maple]

Does the team have a bad matchup against stall

[spiral fable]

Are you going for bulky offense?

[upper maple]

Tbh i didn't start with a playstyle on this team

[spiral fable]

Well you probably should lol

If you’re just going to slap mons on your team will always be a mess

I’m confused at what you’re going for here, as you have 5 offensive sets and then one pivot, but also a scarfer and a specs user

[upper maple]

I just struggle to find a Mon to start building with

[spiral fable]

It looks like bulky offense? But if it is it’s poorly built

If you want me to try and salvage this I can turn this into bo

@upper maple

[upper maple]

Sure

[spiral fable]

Phys def set for tusk, drop wash for pivot gking

I’m iffy about enamorus, but it works for now ig

If it ever fails you can swap it for booster Val

[upper maple]

🗿

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/eed619044114b8a2

How about this

Is it a balance team

[upper maple]

Is the bong set fine

[spiral fable]

galar weezing sucks

[upper maple]

I'm still using it

[spiral fable]

if you want to go ahead but I'm not going to build around it

[spiral fable]

Kinda confused with what you're going for here, but drop gliscor for offensive utility tusk, swap hatterene for pivot gking, and drop dnite for booster moth/val, either works.
If you find yourself struggling against stall you can slot on psyshock on ghold, but tusk with spinner knock rush and cc should be enough to put pressure

[spiral fable]

Drop dire claw for acrobatics and tera blast for night slash, and run tera flying on sneasler
Drop zapdos for ogerpon, I would recommend waterpon but cornerstone works as well if you want
Swap lando for bulky tusk, with spin and rocks
Swap energy ball for sub on moth, change tera to sub(this is optional but i like sub moth more since you can set up on a lot)
Drop hatterene for pivot gking

[upper maple]

Lotta gkings fr

[spiral fable]

is good what can i say

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/7c511b64558ed334

swapped enam for a specs pult, gives move power while staying fast, also helps corv bc gholdegno blocks is from removing hazrds meaning that u can just go pult. swapp choice baned on selaer to a ststus spam set it helps with getting more chip with hazards + status, swapped rotom for mola, good mixed wall + give support to other walls with wish. made corv spd to have a solid spd wall. and swapped ting for gliscor for a less passive option, giving status spikes immunity and a hazards

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/994f8be7fbc0d33d solid team alr, just made some minor changes. Made pult a boots set, its better for spreading status as you need to swap into moves multiple times, swapped knock for trailblaze on oger for a more solid wincon besides gambit + anti cinderace tech, swapped the evs on glowking a bit to be more of a mixed wall and swapped srocks for spikes on gliscor for better chip.

[flint raptor]

https://pokepast.es/3368951ee9198928 is this good?

[steep crypt]

rmt https://pokepast.es/6825b0ff061c8bb0

What do you think

[cloud blade]

Im not a RMT, but I think a rillaboom on this team would go great, or add a flying type, Ting Lu into Spikes Gliscor, and then Gambit or Wake into Rillaboom. Also switch the set on Ghold to the Make it rain Nasty Plot SB recover same defenses. Idk but just looks like you made a team that loses to a booster tusk after 1 rapid spin or just any enamorus, or scarf landot
I almsot forgot your gliscor matchup. I think testing should have shown that already though. After Wake and Tusk go down to Toxic you just lose.

[steep crypt]

some people helped me so here's the results based on the other people's opinion

https://pokepast.es/4f8cb543fd54389e

[mossy acorn]

Ty:) also i was asking cause I thought meta changed guess I was right Lmao

[spiral fable]

Air balloon ghold with shadow ball, swap boots for black glasses on gambit, run spdef gliscor and drop ting lu for phys def tusk, drop sneasler for specs pult

[forest magnet]

@west harbor read

[spiral fable]

matte you take the others

[forest magnet]

sure

[forest magnet]

Hey, you team looks pretty similar to a sample team, I would suggest using that instead. Here it is below, hope you understand. Feel free to ask me if you have any further qustions!

https://pokepast.es/297addca543a26d9 (EDIT, the sample team i was reffering to was outdated, I'll give you the most recent blance sample)

[graceful thunder]

@forest magnet can you rate my team

[forest magnet]

sure

[forest magnet]

send in dms whatever

[reef breach]

https://pokepast.es/42169283a5279db4

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[reef breach]

played trick room last gen and feels kinda different with the meta, any words of wisdom would be nice

[spiral fable]

trick room really doesn't work in ou rn

[spiral fable]

Frankly, I would just scrap this team, and run a sample, sorry

!gen9ousamples

[viral sable]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[spiral fable]

there we go

[reef breach]

and why is that

[spiral fable]

Trick room never really has worked in ou for a few gens at this point

But you basically live or die by the trick room

and you're going to die a lot more than live because 5 turns isn't enough

[reef breach]

i ripped to 1800s last gen 💀

trick room

[spiral fable]

i mean you can still peak with it but it's not going to be nearly as good as proper ho teams

Once your first 5 turns are up you're most likely not getting a second chance

And protect is now really common on mons like gliscor mola and clef which can stall out the room

[glossy jungle]

do teams with Trick Room modes seem to work out

[spiral fable]

No

[reef breach]

i think that it can work fine

[spiral fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

You can play whatever you want, but I'm just saying there's a reason most of your team is uu mons

[reef breach]

dont really see the value in immediately writing something off because you dont understand it well

[glossy jungle]

regardless on whether TR works or not, some of the sets seem pretty odd too

[spiral fable]

I mean i understand the meta fine

And the meta is massively hostile to tr

Once again, there's a reason 4 of your team members are uu

[reef breach]

well i have personally never had trouble making mons that are lower than ou work in the tier

especially if the strategy is directly attempting to make them useful

[spiral fable]

I mean you're free to try your hardest with it on the ladder

But objectively this team is not viable

[reef breach]

regardless came here to look for TR advice

i appreciate you input

but yeah

[forest magnet]

bella i'm here

[graceful thunder]

I mean 5 turns for TR isnt enough for singles

[glossy jungle]

5 turns is just barely perfect for doubles lol

[real willow]

there are certain slow, bulky, powerful pokemon that can run trick room

they typically are endgame sweepers tho

[fierce basin]

hi, yeah trick room is p mid atm but u can prob still fish h.os running around
to improve from what you've got here's what I'd do-
-Made your hatt a more offensive spread w mystical fire as one of your attacks so you arent walled by steels. Hwish and trickroom stay ofc

• making your iron hands offensive, I see your vision and I like your pick of iron hands since kingambit generally smashes the archetype unless u run smth not real like terablast fight cress, but I still think changing the set is better because you aren't sweeping if you get off a drum anyway as trick room will get stalled out and you'll get revenged. Swapped off belly drum for sub so when gliscors try to get their free turn you can sub on prot and they start shitting themselves
  -Now here is where I may lose my OU rater role. I think, since you have mainly physical breakers, you should swap one of them out for a special attacker for balance. Imo it should be crawdaunt, and I'm slotting in arboliva. Arboliva does a couple things for this team. First off, slowking-galar and iron hands are weak to ground. Grassy terrain weakens quake and also grants some longevity to your big guys like hands/luna.
  -Lagging tail is a wasted item slot on slowking-galar. On top of that, he's a strong guy on his own so I'd probably run psychic/flame over focus blast/future sight. You're better off running a resist berry like colbur. I have a feeling you were running ice beam before for gliscor but now you can just swap hard into arboliva cause that guy isnt gonna click toxic on your poison type.

Alternative options:

• Shuca over colbur if you don't believe in arboliva to save you
  -running tera blast over hyper voice as your normal stab on arboliva, you lose 10 bp but can get some funny KOs if they think you're locked into a normal stab and then you swap to a diff type

Here's the updated paste, glhf https://pokepast.es/fbc1c1b467fe248d
(I may be biased because I used arboliva tr in my natdex tera 1 test reqs)

[real willow]

you don't base an entire singles team around trick room since they're inconsistent

[fierce basin]

forgot to put it in the paste but please nickname the arboliva george bush

[reef breach]

Thanks for the in-depth response, you put a lot of stuff into words that I was thinking about but could not exactly pin since Im still testing. Arboliva set looks gas so Im gonna run a few games and feel it out.
I ripped the iron hands set off a few high ladder trick room players from this gen that had good success with it. It lives an absurd amount of hits and has potential to sweep after TR turns end. The lagging tail was to provide a surefire free switch in after TR which is also something high ladder TR players value. Either way it was all kinda slopped together using my sets from old gens and stuff I got passed.

[reef breach]

Ok LOL will do

[fierce basin]

Oh I get lagging tail now. My bad I'm huffing that arboliva pack

[strong vapor]

bulky offense i guess? i mean i saw the dragonite and kingambit's bulky set so why not make a team of it

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/5037c327c27a9fa8

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

...hey didnt i already rate this

nvm it just looks hella similar

drop ting lu for gliscor, drop zapdos for specs pult

[upper maple]

I was thinking about specs pult

Just didn't know who to replace

[spiral fable]

@upper maple honestly i would also make tusk offensive utility instead of defensive and swap waterpon for special val