[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[rain gyro]

i'll test both ig

also modest or timid shocks here

(and ice or fairy lol)

[spiral fable]

I would recommend ice for gliscor

And run speed boosting nature with a life orb

[rain gyro]

gotchu

https://pokepast.es/64302c040d822fb4

this?

[spiral fable]

Bu tusk

[rain gyro]

right

i forgot

fixed

[spiral fable]

O yeah drop outrage for iron head

[rain gyro]

on moon?

[spiral fable]

Or eq for iron head and dragon claw for outrage

Yeah

[rain gyro]

i think eq is more valuable here

[spiral fable]

Basically drop outrage for something

[rain gyro]

don't see any relevant dragons atm

but alright

anything else?

[spiral fable]

I prefer attack boositng nature over speed

[rain gyro]

like

252 atk 252 speed adamant

or you mean attack proto

[forest magnet]

made zapdos spd your team is pretty weak on the special side, swapped samurott's band for an assult vest set, it helps support zapdos as well as works well with wish clefable to heal its hp back. made clefable a wish set, it helps support the other members of the team like offensive tusk. and also made gholdengo bulky support, it helps vs zama as well as keeping a defensive profile while still being able to dish out hits. https://pokepast.es/bee7a3c7331e1a29

[spiral fable]

Proto

[forest magnet]

feel free to ask for anything (eg sets)

[spiral fable]

But also adamant moon is funny for nuking things under sun

[rain gyro]

also speed proto or spatk proto on shocsk?

[spiral fable]

Speed

[rain gyro]

ok

[forest magnet]

u want to run speed for speed control, remember that wake is already spa

[spiral fable]

Coward

[rain gyro]

ima test both ig lmao

thanks

a lot

[spiral fable]

Np

[hidden moth]

why tera steel on gliscor and tera fairy on zapdos, so I don't need calm mind on clefable?

[spiral fable]

Don’t forget to rate me 5 stats and matte 1 star

[hidden moth]

isn't tera water better on gliscor

[forest magnet]

tera steel takes ice type moves, as well as resisting steath rocks, tera fairy to take draco metors, pretty much the only spa move that threatens spd zapdos and u don't need calm mind on clef bc ursa is banned as well as ur other mons serving as spd walls

[hidden moth]

ah ok

thank you

[forest magnet]

you can run that, but steel is more consistent in general

[forest magnet]

no problem

[rain gyro]

LMAO

😭

[umbral adder]

doesnt this team get wrecked by moth now tho without waterpon

[forest magnet]

gliscor deals w it, also u can swap ice beam for surf on empo

[umbral adder]

i mean gliscor cant switch in on moth too well cuz physdef

plus if it teras then team gets swept

[forest magnet]

play games w sucker, roar it out w empo/use surf, and eq + zap

or tera

wait lemme change some evs

https://pokepast.es/deb6eb5917dd2194

@umbral adder sorry, i mixed up the evs, my bad

i made zap spd to deal w moth as well as u have other teammates to deal w it and also made ghold def to better deal w garg and tusk

again sorry for the evs being mixed up

[hidden moth]

i have one more question

what is my lead

[forest magnet]

lead gliscor and protect most of the time

it gets the ability activated, but the lead is matchup dependent

[umbral adder]

u good. worried about zapdos being slower than tusk now that its often running bulk up ice spinner

[forest magnet]

we always live a ice spinner as well as we can toxic stall w gliscor and predict tusk's attacks

[umbral adder]

ok

thanks so much

[forest magnet]

np

[umbral adder]

which should i run on empoleon surf or ice beam

[wanton root]

why not just run sun

@green citrus i feel like you'd be the one to have a few teams lol

[green citrus]

Not right now, i cannot build this week

Traveling soon etc

Once teams r made ill post away for anyone in need

[forest magnet]

ice beam

[wanton root]

i mean moon only fits on that and ho

both of which are pretty linear

[forest magnet]

@lyric sparrow :)

[wanton root]

oh nice hf

[real willow]

can set up stealth rock and be a backup spinner

[crystal vessel]

https://pokepast.es/f5cc4c55429091d0 how do I improve this team? Or is it fine as it is? (valiant is currently there as a palceholder for bloodmoon until I can find smth better)

Managed to hit 1600s with it but may not mean anything

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/21114ce3b1eab889

made val special, gave rilla a choice band + uturn to get in teammates better (you could swap choice band for eject button) and swapped dire claw on sneasler over fire punch

[crystal vessel]

Ah I see, though doesn’t fire punch help deal with gholdengo?

[forest magnet]

you have gliscor and kingambit to stonewall gholdengo under screens to i wouldn't be too worried

[crystal vessel]

Fp. Max speed gambit is for opposing gambits and clef I assume?

[forest magnet]

yes

• under screens u get bulk

[crystal vessel]

I see. Thanks for the changes!

[forest magnet]

np i gotchu fam

[abstract kraken]

what these terms mean?

[forest magnet]

hyper offence or bulky offence

[abstract kraken]

ceruledge sucks in ou drop it
Could you elaborate more?

what makes him bad?

[abstract kraken]

is there a formula when building for those two types?

I've only read about balanced

[forest magnet]

there isn't really a set "formula" but an idea is suicide lead (commonly gets hazards/screens up) then sweepers that work well with eachother

there are diff types of ho like spikes and webs, webs uses slower mons but they have more power but its alr bc webs lowers speed, spikes/hazards just gets chip damage from hazards and screens makes mons bulkier so they can setup

bulky offence is just balance but a bit more fat/defensive

[forest magnet]

kingambit being very common in the tier, its item that it likes to run focus sash (bc of its ability) gets broken bc hazards are very common in this meta, it gets chipped by rocks and is too slow for a ho mon (without any speed boosts). It also relies on being damaged to raise speed so even more chipped.

[abstract kraken]

for a beginner, balanced teams should be ideal?

[forest magnet]

well it depends on your playstyle, when i started out, i liked ho more and then became more of a bulkier player

[forest magnet]

i would reccomend ho as it has the shortest games and helps because u don't need to think abt much

just weaken checks and go for sweep

[abstract kraken]

I'm not sure what I like yet, but I did like glimmora throwing stuff everywhere

though it seemed like it was weak, since there was a lot of ways to ignore it

but you said hazards are actually good?

on the meta right now

[forest magnet]

yes, the chip damage from them overtime is really good + gets things in range of attacks

[abstract kraken]

so I should be looking into stealth rock, spikes and toxic spikes?

[forest magnet]

well not every team should revolve around that but yeah that would be a starting point

let me get u a team

https://pokepast.es/89cb7b0d786f965b

[abstract kraken]

just to make sure i'm not on the wrong thread

[forest magnet]

this is an ho style team

[abstract kraken]

SV = scarlet violet

[forest magnet]

yes

[abstract kraken]

because I play on showdown gen 9, OU

[forest magnet]

yeah that is sv ou

scarlet violet is gen 9

*until game freak drops a new game

[abstract kraken]

the only pokemon I've never used is ogerpon

all of the other ones are on one of my teams

[forest magnet]

pretty simple, just swords dance and win :)

[wanton root]

Real

[forest magnet]

try to elimnate the faster mons before going for a sweep

[wanton root]

I hope it’s the next ban tbh

Hate building for it

[forest magnet]

#comp-general

go go go

[abstract kraken]

swords dance?

anyways, thank you for the help

i'm really lost

not sure where to look for resources

[forest magnet]

ah

[forest magnet]

try watching youtube channels like pokeaim to get the fundies down

[forest magnet]

it really helped me as a newbie as you could see pretty high level content there + see other types of teams

if you ever need support, feel free to dm me if any questions

[abstract kraken]

ok, thank you

[delicate pike]

https://pokepast.es/b5f378265a7f0988

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[delicate pike]

So i just made this offensive team and id kinda like to know if its good and what can be corrected

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/530cfa6c40efa4fb

i think frosmoth is very good

manaphy used to be iron val

[barren escarp]

https://pokepast.es/74491c2cac9d5975
how can i make this team better ?

[ruby crest]

this isnt a bad start, i recommend changing cinderace for moth sub 3 attacks sets gives u a powerful wincon as well as something to deteriorate tspikes, make iron val sub shadow ball aura sphere tera ghost, ice beam > gleam on manaphy, replace scizor for id press zama

https://pokepast.es/8b74a4684e5d6b46 should look like this

[barren escarp]

okay thanks! 😁

why those moves on valiant tho?

[ruby crest]

unresisted "stabs"

[barren escarp]

ohh i see

[ruby crest]

you hit everything you wanna hit since most fatter stuff cant do anything once in a sub

[dapper cliff]

I’m having fun restarting my ladder rank and climbing again with my own psychic terrain hyper offense team, but I wanna hear how people here would improve it
Currently I’m thinking about replacing dragapult with roaring moon.
https://pokepast.es/f287ee7d570affc1

I went from playing stall to this so it’s a bit of play style whiplash

But games are quicker and more fun so it’s a win for me, but I do want to improve it

[spiral fable]

Drop mamoswine it sucks in ou

You kinda get hard walled by stall

And all psyspam teams run polteageist you should as well

Also, I would recommend hatterene over glimmora

[dapper cliff]

Not so far but I haven’t really played many higher elo stall players yet. Trick indeedee removes some threats and mamoswine bullies a lot of stall rn and I only need to make one double.

[spiral fable]

Mamoswine doesn’t break voltage stall

Also why are you running scarf indeedee

[dapper cliff]

For trick

[spiral fable]

At that point drop the psyspam entirely

Banded rillaboom does basically the same

This current team isn’t psyspam

Now that’s fine you don’t have to run it but you might as well run rillaboom, get a better stall matchup

[dapper cliff]

Alr I’ll try a few games like that. What would you replace mamo with? The ice/ground offensive combo is very convienient

[spiral fable]

Definitely another spattacker ie booster moth or cm enam

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/89a44ba7ee5dfe6b

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fallow crag]

Man this looks like an SS team haha

Unfortunately I do think there's some issues here against super offensive teams

Ogerpon just sorta chooses or it forces corvi to tera early which sucks

Tho it doesn't come in on too much

Manaphy is probably the larger threat

[sly mauve]

i haven't been playing too much but that's been my biggest issue is ogerpon if it ever gets an opportunity to switch in and sometimes veil teams

[fallow crag]

And if you run into rain that probably hurts a lot too

To be honest, an ogerpon of your own would go a long way

[sly mauve]

i only ran into rain once so far and i won comfortably

[fallow crag]

If you're gonna run tusk on this team I'd go more phys def with bulk up

And I'd probably drop chomp for ogerpon

[sly mauve]

alright thank you

[fallow crag]

Other than that

Iron Moth could be troublesome

Cause your slowking doesn't have surf

But I think you can play around it

[delicate dirge]

https://pokepast.es/a7f5adef22230dd2

[undone stratus]

https://pokepast.es/93ed7afae8477464 Any improvements?

[ruby crest]

sinistcha honestly is not good faces extreme competition with a lot better stuff, so i advice using something else like encore sd oger w, knock > eq on moon, tera fairy on moth and dgleam > psychic, sub > dbond on iron val and tera ghost aura sphere > moonblast, and id press zama > tusk

not sure what the evs on atales do but heres an import with everything https://pokepast.es/fbb078901c82e260

[undone stratus]

Thank You!

[ruby crest]

no problemo

[hidden moth]

is it possible to make a speed control team to make ttar work in ou

[ruby crest]

This question is more towards #comp-general as this thread is for rating completed teams

[sly mauve]

^

bump

[tight coral]

https://pokepast.es/6571804075639444 its an ou rain team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tight coral]

lmk what you guys think

[forest magnet]

For a rain team, you want to be using offensive mons

water type moves are boosted in rain meaning that they will hit harder. Adding passive mons like dondozo and toxapex don't take advantage of the boosted attacks as they hit like babies.

i would suggest making the team more offensive by swapping mons like toxapex and dondozo for offensive mons to take full advantage of the rain.

[elder forge]

https://pokepast.es/4b8c885fd29d1f97 should I opt for Knock Off and Flip Turn over Dragon Pulse and Flamethrower?

[forest magnet]

flip turn over dragon pulse

[elder forge]

no Knock Off?

[forest magnet]

no, its not worth a slot as you have it on roaring moon

[elder forge]

[forest magnet]

• ur a spa breaker meaning u want to do as much damage on the spa side

[forest magnet]

swap brute for sash cerulege

win condition + helps vs gambit like brute because you still want to be strong vs it

Ceruledge @ Focus Sash
Ability: Weak Armor
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 68 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bitter Blade
• Shadow Sneak
• Poltergeist

set

188 speed + jolly outspeeds boost val and moon after a weak armour boost

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/c11be1b10743f8e9

[spiral fable]

I don’t think hamurott is a good fit on this team and covert cloak ghold is kinda useless since Garg is chilling in uu rn

[upper maple]

Garg in UU?

[spiral fable]

Yeah Garg in uu

Honestly I would run air balloon ghold, swap hamurott out for pult, and swap Val’s set for the phys/mixed attacker variant

I’m personally not a fan of special Val

[upper maple]

Ok

[white solstice]

https://pokepast.es/ed99368d98e37243

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/3d9d6f34a26632d0

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper maple]

Didn't like this team

So made another one

[barren escarp]

https://pokepast.es/225ce107588fba74
how can i improve this sun team?

[smoky folio]

https://pokepast.es/ffe4d03fb30e8290

Rate the team i made

[jagged wharf]

Hi hi trying to get a team for my game to climb the ladder with I wanted to use two of my favorites being Delphox and Sawsbuck can't use pokepaste cause for some reason it doesn't work on my phone and I'm not home

[woeful plume]

why they're all level 50

is that meant to be a VGC team?

cus you're in the wrong channel if yeah

[jagged wharf]

Cause that's the format lol

[jagged wharf]

No VCG is double battles

[woeful plume]

this is SV OU

go to #1059655497587888158 for more likely rating

[jagged wharf]

Isn't the double

[woeful plume]

what format even is that

cus screenshot doesn't show

[jagged wharf]

Gen9 Battle Stadium singles Regulation

[woeful plume]

Oh

that explains it

[jagged wharf]

Lol

[woeful plume]

pretty sure people don't do rate based on custom rules

[jagged wharf]

??

[woeful plume]

as in "Oh I wanna go with my favorites, or Oh I wanna use Ash's team from the anime"

I've seen instances of that happening and not being rated at all

but based on what ik Sawsbuck sucks and Delphox isn't exactly the best

dragalage isn't exactly the best either

[jagged wharf]

Eeeh don't doubt Sawsbuck so soon managed to win the game for me being the last mon up

[woeful plume]

skill issue on opponent's part or you're lucky

[jagged wharf]

Probably both

[barren escarp]

bump

[flint karma]

I've always wanted to get into single battles, but don't really know any stratagies. How does this team look? https://pokepast.es/1b9ee7df2983b282

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/8e4b7c4619199f9f can someone help me improve this while still keeping sub tox gliscor

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[outer cradle]

https://pokepast.es/66c9dba83409cd62 this team was a grab bag of pokemon and great tusk. it's weird and somehow works in the lower tiers of showdown...let's be real kingambit carries most matches but anyway is there anything i can improve? maybe have stronger team synergy?

[forest magnet]

well this team seems like and hyper offence style, (screens) meaning that we should just scrap slowking-galar for another offensive mon to abuse screens

lemme get some changes for you

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/00d65380937ab9b7 swapped pult for nintales alo, it sets screens in one turn meaning u get more use of it, and also offers support in sleep as well as encore. swapped slowking for manaphy, it helps cover the things that iron val can't touch like skeledirge + gives more spa coverage to ur team. Also made ogerpon a swords dance setup sweeper, it can help deal with the birds that tusk and gambit stuggle w. Also made iron val calm mind to compliment manaphy + add spa coverage. (you want divesrity)

[fierce basin]

U didn't change the nature or evs of the valiant

[ruby crest]

also why not just do tales > pult

[forest magnet]

clean it up people!!

delete those messages so they don't get confused!! @ruby crest @fierce basin

[outer cradle]

ok thanks i'll try it out

[forest magnet]

yeah hope it thelps

[fierce basin]

I will not be silenced

[ruby crest]

do tera ice on tusk

[forest magnet]

oh yeah bc snow

[fierce basin]

Bro u swapped it to serious

[ruby crest]

not just that but tera ice helps secure certain damage thresholds

[fierce basin]

Timid valiant

[forest magnet]

we make mistakes too :P

[fierce basin]

I should've pinged him not u

[outer cradle]

doesn't matter i made the adjustments thanks agian

(well first battle with it went extremely well!!!!!!!!)

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/f31fedfa8a410633 dont know if i want lando pls help

[forest magnet]

not a rate, but i notice that ur team is rlly similar to this one. https://pokepast.es/e883e394c0a2b9a5

this team has peaked 1983 so its pretty good + i tested it, i think this would be better

[umbral adder]

alr

[forest magnet]

hope that helps

[forest magnet]

for my raters, the unrated teams start here

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/d727e0cd728b90a1 I swapped shocks for lillgant, it serves as a setup sweeper tha pairs well with wake. as well as a form of speed controll in Chlorophyll and gives more support in sleep powder. also, made wake spa boosting because you want it as a breaker. Also swapped atails for hatterene, it can serve as a pivot to get a mon in for free and still serve as healing wish support + it has nuzzle for speed controll + helps with the hazards problem a bit.

hope this helps, ask me if anything more is needed

[lyric sparrow]

Diancie is unviable in OU, easiest first step to improving this team is removing diancie. We can work on a replacement later until wwe fix up some of these other sets.

Dragapult having screens when the team is roughly a Balance/BO team doesn't really make any sense, Since you lack a strong special attacker on the team I'd go with a specs 4 attacks set. something like this should work well!

The Rillaboom item and set is strange, rocky helmet on it doesnt really make sense since that item is reserved for u-turn repellant usually and Rillaboom is weak to U-turn. IMO you're better off using an SD 3 attacks Rillaboom. Something like this can work, the tera can be changed to other tera's although I find the grass boost for grassy glide particularly helpful. knock off coverage here is used for Gholdengo and to knock off corviknights but be careful since this can't hit heatran. The item can be changed to life orb or grassy seed, really up to you.

Currently your gliscor doesnt really make much sense I am very positive that this movset and ev spread would be a welcome change. You already now have SD setup with Rillaboom so SD on gliscor, your sole defensive backbone ATM doesn't rlly add up.

This team also really wants hazards which gliscor can provide, along with toxic utility in certain cases where its helpful.

As for Dragonite, I think a Choice banded set over your current is much needed, This can really help your issue of speed control rn especially and I don't think DD in current meta is nearly as effective as band as well

[forest magnet]

slainey, i suggest just sending them once paste of all the changes, its easier to navigate

[lyric sparrow]

alright

[lyric sparrow]

the waterpon is fine, only last thing is obviously changing the diancie slot. ATM you have no special defensive pokemon or hazard control either. The short answer can just be spdef corviknight however gholdengo blocks corv defog pretty badly and although you can U-turn into dragpault to threaten ghold out, you still take hazard damage on pult...I think another option could be bulky support ace with court change. Again this is personal preference I think both are solid options and fix different issues

https://pokepast.es/5124efd2be90c8e5 or https://pokepast.es/a0289f71c023ad90 is what id go with roughly

the major problems with the ending revision is kingambit, you could probably go defensive stealth rocks great tusk over gliscor and full spdef corv and go ihead + brave bird for iron valiant and remove body press and idefense but thats up to you. Hopefully this helps.

[forest magnet]

maybe ice spinner over fire punch

[lyric sparrow]

oh yeah definitely ice spinner over fire punch for gliscor

[white solstice]

alr tysm

[elfin jungle]

Where does nat dex ou go

[ruby crest]

zapdos is a bit random here for ho, you can honestly make this a hazard stack ho with sash samu and ejecy pack rocks tusk, replace zapdos with sd encore ogerw, and do dgleam tera fairy > grass on iron moth, also azelf is unecessary here with much better hazard setters so you can do air ballon dengo in its place

[ruby crest]

national dex thread

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/7ae6dab5933dac77 heres an import of the team with changes

[elfin jungle]

Isn't it locked?

[ruby crest]

Yep

You can always try in comp gen

[sly mauve]

is there any way to make vacuum wave valiant work

[forest magnet]

no, you don't want to use it because val is normally so fast (most sets using booster energy)

it could fit on choice specs sets, but u are so fast alr there is no need for it

[sly mauve]

unfortunate

[sand citrus]

I'm a beginner in teambuilding, what improvment can i make for this team ? https://pokepast.es/814e200960134a37

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wind dew]

https://pokepast.es/a16505e899a8fb0d

opinions

[barren escarp]

just tried this team out, it's great! although im struggling on how to use liligant properly

[sudden tendon]

Firstly your weakness coverage is great on that team. (Except more than half being weak to Freeze-Dry)
I'd recommend you to have more bulk in your team. Especially turning Gliscor into a defensive one and giving it more utility (like adding toxic + knock off/u-turn/stealth rock) would help.
A coverage move like high jump kick would be better on Cinderace over will-o-wisp + Choosing Libero as it's ability + Maxing out it's Atk Evs alongside Speed.
You don't need a tera type like Fairy on Gholdengo. Water, Flying, Fighting or Dark are the best ones for that. And you may prefer giving some Spa Evs to it.
Amoonguss needs leftovers.
Power Whip would be more effective with having more power whereas Hp recovery with Horn Leech won't be effective that much for Ogerpon. And you may prefer changing Encore with a coverage move like Stomping Tantrum/Low Kick or Knock Off which would also provide you utility.
And finally for Walking Wake, well as I said at the beginning your team would profit more bulk and Wake would be my choice for a replacement. But if I would keep it: I would give it a Life Orb over Specs and Flamethrower over Knock Off.

[hearty notch]

Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/80527449beaab861

[sudden tendon]

Knock Off on Roaring Moon doesn't seem that reliable especially with being paired with another Knock Off on Rillaboom and I don't know if Brick Break works well over Earthquake.
Also why no stab on Glimmora?

[wind dew]

Oh i didnt know about that

Moon and rilla doesnt synergize

[wind dew]

Also yeah

Glimmora no stab uuuh

Idk

[sudden tendon]

I liked Samurott-H and Valiant's sets.
Hydro Pump and Dragon Pulse may be more effective with Wake.
Water Tera doesn't fit on Ninetales-A I think. It covers it's Fire and Steel weaknesses but that won't help that much as it can't damage them if it stays so it will still need to switch. For me, Steel Tera would be better with providing more coverage.
Giving Kingambit it's Steel stab and Flying Tera would be better becuse this set of yours is not good without tera.

[ruby crest]

this was a rated team from before but you changed the last mon to something else

[hearty notch]

Also changed samurott's moves, tales' moves, gambit's moves and stats and changed some tera types

[ruby crest]

yeah that really defeats the purpose of having ur team rated, you just said the rater rates was just thrown out the door when the changes they provide is for a reason

then again asking for a rated team to get rated again is also pointless unless you are struggling with certain mu, but once again disregarding the work of a rater

[hearty notch]

Rater rated my team, i changed my team, didn't really enjoy some of the changes, slightly tweaked the team and sent it for a rate. How is that bad?

Also mb gambit didn't change

[ruby crest]

because the work of a rater like i said is ignored especially for a team that doesnt need more changes with the given changes to be rated

if anything some of these changes makes things worse

[spiral fable]

if you take a team we rated and change stuff the only advice we would usually give is just "change it back to the rated team" lol

[ruby crest]

except for wake i can get behind that

[sand citrus]

Ty very much for those very detailed improvements, can I ask u what Mon would u put to replace Wake ?

[hearty notch]

@spiral fable @ruby crest I didnt mean to distespect raters. This team is ultimately for me and for my enjoyment. If i have to play with i a team i dont really enjoy, them whats the point of playing? I do understamd why some changes may seem like too much, but im not an expert, thats why i post them to see if the changes made are stupid. My goal is to manñje decent teams on my own, but how else am i supposed to learn?

[hearty notch]

Tyvm

[wanton root]

if your goal is enjoyment, then only you know what best fulfills that criteria

[spiral fable]

i mean just the thing is if you come to ask for help, we give you what changes to make, then you dont accept said help and then just kinda go off on your own there's really no point in asking us cuz we can't really help you

[wanton root]

^

[twin horizon]

https://pokepast.es/459fef865b0072cc
Made a team based around loaded dice weavile, and I'm really happy with how it's been performing! I've gotten to the 1600s and would love to know what tweaks I can make to improve it further! Here's the breakdown:

• Zamazenta is a pretty standard Body Press set, spec'd to outspeed 125 speed mons and running tera ghost for other zamazentas and to neutrally take hits from big threats like Iron Valiant, Enamorus, and Zapdos. This of course makes Zamazenta weaker to Kingambit and Dragapult so I use it sparingly. I'm definitely open to switching to tera fairy as it fulfills a similar role, but ghost is what I've gone with so far!
• Iron Valiant is a pretty basic mixed booster energy set, with tera electric for a nice table turning moment on zapdos, which it can safely set calm mind up against once tera'd! If the set could be further optimized or tweaked to make it more effective I'd love to know, but as a late game sweeper it functions incredibly well! It of course struggles against Clodsire and Gholdengo, but I'm usually able to get those out of the way by the end of the game.
• Corviknight is pretty standard, no notes really. tera flying helps completely shut down sneasler
• Finally, the Weavile! Loaded Dice + Icicle spear gives it a consistent stab 100-125 bp move, and it absolutely crushes the competition after a swords dance! I'm currently running ice shard instead of fighting coverage because of the lack of priority on my team for stuff like Dragapult and it can often help finish off switch-ins. Struggles against Kingambit, so I'd love to hear if y'all think I should switch ice shard or knock off out for something like brick break or low kick!
• Ogerpon is another pretty standard sweeper. It helps immensely against rain teams, and the mind games I can play with water absorb are beautiful
• Finally, Glowking- spec'd to 2hko 252hp zamazenta every time with psychic, and t-wave/pivot is its main role.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

ok so real quick i assume you want to okeep weavile

[twin horizon]

ofc

[spiral fable]

alright

in that case, you definitely need a hazard setter and remover of some kind

especially since you really dont like letting in ghold for free with corv

[hearty notch]

Who said i didnt accept the help? Its been like a week since the team got rated and ive been playing with it since. I only made some MINOR changes. If this looks like it contradicts what i said earlier, i only changed samurott's aqua jet for taunt, tale's ice beam for freeze dry, and gambit didnt change as i already clarified

[spiral fable]

well our only advice would be "hey we gave you this advice before so just do this again"

[spiral fable]

I think drop corv for a utility tusk set: it would give you better hazard control and you can set up rocks with it

not a fan of flamethrower or psychic on gking, i think the standard sludge fs set would be better for its role as a pivot

honestly you have too many phys attackers on this team i would swap val for enamorus/pult

[twin horizon]

That all sounds really nice, but I have one concern before I make changes- would the lack of another medium/slow pivot effect my ability to gain momentum with pokemon like weavile and zamazenta?

also, would the lack of a steel type effect how well I can take hits? corv has been the glue on my team for that ability of taking hits from so many mons, and I worry that I will more easily get bowled over by physical set up sweepers

[spiral fable]

Maybe, you could swap val out for ghold instead

[spiral fable]

Honestly Zenta isn't really switching in often? It can tank a hit or two but it really doesn't like to come in repeatdely since a: it wastes dauntless and b: it doesn't have reilable reocvery
imo gking is a good enough pivot for all your needs, and hazards are more important(and especially good hazard removal), and corv letting in ghold for free is a real risk since it can run through this entire team if it catches weavile on the switch

[twin horizon]

that's a really good point with the ghold, I'll see what I can do and get back here

[twin horizon]

https://pokepast.es/00aef97e4aab0662 how's this look? defensive ghold helps me keep that physical bulk that was so vital to the last build, and tusk has a pretty basic set. could definitely optimize tusk differently though

[spiral fable]

personally not a fan of rocky helmet, you definitely ened nasty plot on ghold and i dont think you need psyshock since you have other mons to handle blissey/clod

tusk set is standard yah might want to run tera ice if you hate gliscor

[twin horizon]

good point, but keeping the rocky helmet for a u turn punish

[spiral fable]

im more a fan of lefties since you can uturn punish directly with mir or shadow ball ¯_(ツ)_/¯

o yeah swap psyshock for mir and blast for nplot

[twin horizon]

different perspectives on that one, no worries though

I like blast for an easy gambit kill, hence tera fight. works nicely against roaring moon as well

[spiral fable]

i mean gambit and moon are easily kills with zenta

[twin horizon]

nice to have a back-up regardless, putting all my eggs in that basket especially because of how potent roaring moon can be would be a mistake

[spiral fable]

up to you then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

you definitely need nasty plot tho

[twin horizon]

for sure, put that on

[barren escarp]

https://pokepast.es/d586e732a23378c3
is there any way i could improve my rain team?

[spiral fable]

give the 4 extra evs to manaphy lol

ok seriously though i dont really see the point of treads here since you dont want to be wasting rain turns getting rid of hazards

[barren escarp]

oh i forgot

should i make manaphy timid or modest?

[spiral fable]

unless you're really worried of zapdoss, modest

[barren escarp]

who do i replace treads with?

[spiral fable]

you could either go a hazard setter ie ting lu/gliscor, or you could go another rain abuser ie gambit

up to you

ting lu and gliscor give you some nice defensive utility against xapdos and other eletric attackrs but gambit is gambit

[barren escarp]

true!

[spiral fable]

also a nice alternative to bascu is barreskewda if you want a better stall matchup

[barren escarp]

tbh

the ghost type is nice against rapid spin

[spiral fable]

fair ¯_(ツ)_/¯

skewda just doesn't suicide against fat walls as much but that's upt o you

[fierce basin]

Thunder over discharge on zap

[barren escarp]

alr

[spiral fable]

wait how didnt i catch that im so stupid

[barren escarp]

lefties or card on ting lu?

[spiral fable]

i would say card

[fierce basin]

It's ok. I didn't mean to interrupt ur rate I just saw it not get mentioned

[barren escarp]

okay thanks!

[soft gull]

https://pokepast.es/89f5a0d129f72399

[sudden tendon]

Idk but feel like Rotom-Wash would work

Rotom-Wash @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Will-O-Wisp
• Hydro Pump
• Hex
• Discharge

This was one that I used

You can give it more bulk on SpDef side and go with lefties + you may want to replace Hex with Volt Switch so Ghost Tera wouldn't be that helpful and I'd say you to go with Water Tera for more power on Hydro Pump

[wanton root]

thank you for trying to help but please don't try to suggest changes for tiers you're not familiar with

it just ends up spreading misinfo

[wanton root]

@ruby crest

[barren escarp]

is this veil team i made any good?
https://pokepast.es/f7cc5649b5db0792

[ruby crest]

I’m driving back home and was planning on taking on some of the back logs we have

[wanton root]

oh sorry for the ping then

[sudden tendon]

Who are you + Is this a place for only 'verified people' to make suggestions?

He asked for my thought and I replied, I can't see a problem there

[ruby crest]

do specs pult > wake, defensive tusk > offensive, amoong > gking, make zapdos offensive, and do bulky wisp ace, also a bit optional you can honestly do knock > rocks on tusk since you have ace that will be getting hazards to the other side

[soft gull]

What does pult do that wake doesnt do?
ill change the tusk.
and why amoongus over gking?

Also what ev / moveset for ace?

• zap

[ruby crest]

pult gives u speed control very helpul for revenging a bunch of mons while still maintaining that offensive pivot breaker, amoog > gking cause it still helps checks things like iron val enam, but you also load better against woger which was problematic already for the team

https://pokepast.es/6b9aa4c0ab01c5e5 heres an import of the team with changes

also if ihead feels useless for gambit you can do kowtown over it

[soft gull]

woger?

[ruby crest]

ogerpon wellspring

[soft gull]

ooooh

ye

ace like having hjk tho?

[ruby crest]

not necessarily

tho fwiw ace moveset is customizable for offensive sets but wisp is helpful since you cripple a lot of stuff

[soft gull]

im just thinking ill litteraly lose to heatran without tusk if it doesnt have hjk

[ruby crest]

well

tran is uncommon

and hardly wants to come into half of these mons

[soft gull]

isnt the current version of the team frail on the special side tho

[ruby crest]

not necessarily most mons handle a lot of the relevant spattackers with gambit, amoong, and ace tho the ones i would be more mindful against is iron moth

[sudden tendon]

Just trying to help and I would be happy to see your suggestions if you think like that

[wanton root]

The set that you have recommended is not viable, and the greater issue is that you are providing advice that isn’t based on understanding of the metagame

[ruby crest]

flamethrower > dpunch on kommo-o make it timid, sd black glasses gambit > moon,

[wanton root]

Let’s move this to #comp-general though because tyson is helping people in here rn

[sudden tendon]

We are not preventing anyone and the topic we are talking is about rating so

[barren escarp]

alr thanks

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/0d3f4ab9334acd84 @barren escarp

[fierce basin]

Don't touch lord's Tyson I'm in too deep

Actually nvm I'm doing too much

[ruby crest]

tho im a bit unconviced for ceruledge but i assume this is what you wanted to build around so i kept it but honestly sd oger w if the mon is a do nothing

[ruby crest]

.ban spidget

[barren escarp]

should i swap shadow sneak on ceru with close combat?

cause i kinda struggle against fire resistant dark types

but otherwise ceru is very good

and i never used shadow sneak much

[ruby crest]

you could do that

[sudden tendon]

1. He asked what would I do and I answered
2. There is nothing unviable, if there please specify

If you are only saying these because of that set I pasted, I want you to look below

[soft gull]

prtty sure sub iron moth just sweeps without gking no?

[ruby crest]

Not quite mu is rough but not an instant lose

[soft gull]

Also dont some val sets strill run thru amoonugs

[ruby crest]

That’s why you have ace in the back as well

Val shouldn’t be a problem with those two

[fierce basin]

Hi, I've been looking at your team for a bit and thinking of changes but some were really only preference based on what matchups you would pick and choose to do well in. Some that I would for sure make are:
-Changing the gholdengo tera to fairy, I don't see a point in fighting as you dont have focus blast and won't be teraing to try to land vs gambit. If you're gonna run recover plot I would also probably run a spread with more bulk instead of full offensive.
-If you're going to run rillaboom, I'd probably run seed sneasler over dnite. dnite can't click quake anyway under your terrain
here's the paste with those changes https://pokepast.es/6d216ee81dd4fde9
I had other thoughts that I thought would go too far from your original team, and it's kinda hard to critique h.o anyway since it's a fish, but if you have a certain reason you want to make changes (such as a certain mon giving u trouble) I could try to go deeper. hope this helps, gl

[soft gull]

doesnt ghold like leftovers or another item more than air balloon on a team with terrain

[fierce basin]

Sure if he wants. I took away his ground immune so I didn't want to take off balloon too if it made him uncomfortable

[vestal gull]

https://pokepast.es/ebaf7d7ad02911ab
Any thoughts? Feel like I win a lot of games then I just get absolutely crushed by stall and/or Dondozo

Also not rly a fan of gengar but I needed a special attacker

[fierce basin]

I'm on mobile so I can't give u a paste, but I'd replace the scarf Gengar with a booster valiant, and if you wanna beat stall make the ceruledge a black glasses kingambit, for dozo specifically you can run waterpon w encore over goodra. I assume you don't wanna get rid of quagsire, but you should prob make it spdef clodsire along w the rest of these changes so you don't get farmed by t spike. This should still leave you with a spdef wall and a phys pivot, while improving your matchup vs stall n dozo. Hope this helps

Also maybe give mixed chomp a try

[wind dew]

Ty

[fierce basin]

Np gl

[vestal gull]

alright I’ll definitely replace gengar with valiant
I don’t rly wanna replace quagsire with clodsire because of (tiny bit of bias) and how many ground types are running around, I also feel quagsire is a better physical wall, and it could potentially check other clodsire
Do you think it would make a dramatic enough difference to change? Or could I get away with quagsire
I could change wash to a spdef build instead

[fierce basin]

I'm just worried about your t spike matchup without a grounded poison. It's your team at the end of the day if you're playing to hf you can try it w quag if you want

Clod is basically just mud quagsire tho

[vestal gull]

Alright yeah I feel you, I didn’t really think about t spikes bc I never run into it, but if you think it’ll be a problem then quagsire can go
That’s kind of why I have goodra too though, also because pokemon like greninja, zapdos, walking wake, and slowking can’t touch it

[cloud grotto]

https://pokepast.es/784ebe5ffe07de36 how can i improve this team? i dont really like empoleon but idk what i can replace it with

[rain kernel]

Do I post my team here?

if so, I'm trying out HO and didn't want to run that one team everyone's spamming so I came up with a rough draft: https://pokepast.es/eb8ad0dcf06234c0

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/4317a88f11bc806b can someone rmt but still keep the sub toxic glisc

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

if you're going to go 3/4 stall mons you might as well go full stall/semi stall

you have no hazards, ace feels really out of place, your pex doesn't have recover, and you have an offensive blissey for some reason

if you really want to keep this sub toxic gliscor gimmick just run voltage's stall team and swap out spikes for sub ig
https://pokepast.es/47269c56e2af2991

[rain kernel]

Am I in line to be rated next? (this is all new to me)

[spiral fable]

yeah ill do you next

alright

[rain kernel]

I wanted to do a team with Glis/Ghold/Clef/Gambit but it just leaves too many roles unfilled.

[spiral fable]

Don't run rocks on tusk you're ho you have no time for hazards, run bu instead with cc over spin
If you're running black glasses gambit you might as well run tera dark for that extra breaking power
I'm really not a fan of special valiant and would suggest either manaphy or booster wake instead, both of which would appreciate screens more

[rain kernel]

@spiral fable what kind of build would you go for with a core of Ghold/Gambit/Glis/Clef? just curious.

[spiral fable]

uh

hm

[rain kernel]

or is that even a good idea?

[spiral fable]

lets take it out of here gimme a sec

[vestal gull]

Tried this and got absolutely walled a couple times by Garg

maybe skill issue but I have zero checks for Tera fairy garg

[fierce basin]

Okay, if you swap to chilly reception sludge bomb slowking galar over clodsire you can always get a safe swap to an encore guy like val/ogrepon. Hate stupid ass garg

And if that's too annoying of a solution for you @vestal gull post your latest paste and we will try to slot covert cloak ghold into it or smth if garg is consistently ruining ur fun

[vestal gull]

Okay hold up

[forest magnet]

ayo answer my dm alr :P

[fierce basin]

Sorry discord doesn't give notifications for msg requests so I didn't see u n Bella pmed me til rn

[vestal gull]

https://pokepast.es/cd457d0845dfe475
@fierce basin Kinda will run anything, just wanna keep garchomp

garg, blissey, dondozo give me trouble

[fierce basin]

Okay we are gonna make chomp prb

[forest magnet]

try a scale shot set

[fierce basin]

Orb w draco + quake should let u break both bliss and dozo

Since on dozo u can just spam draco due to unaware

Ogrepon sd over ururn

[forest magnet]

oh i didn't see the scond comment

[forest magnet]

dozo and garg are both beaten by encore

[fierce basin]

Yeah he is having issues breaking bulky stuff at the bottom of the ladder

We can put encore on the val too @vestal gull

If you want

[vestal gull]

nah waterpon should work, when I face it
But do I need to save one mon just to counter another?

[fierce basin]

That's generally how the game works unfortunately yeah

[forest magnet]

yes, you want to preserve ur checks

like u keep a gambit alive vs a toxapex

[vestal gull]

Wouldn’t garg just spam iron defense or salt cure against waterpon?

I’d be cooked bc pon is physical

[forest magnet]

encore

then go into a spa mon

[fierce basin]

That's why I was saying u could put encore on val if you want

[vestal gull]

yeah that’s why I came here I don’t have a spa mon sadly
I have wash but like hydro pump feels inconsistent and I’m running tanky wash

[fierce basin]

Garg is a cringe mon tho it isn't ur fault

[vestal gull]

real

[vestal gull]

I been having success with the mixed set so I like it

Well

[fierce basin]

Okay

Whatever y prefer

[vestal gull]

Success as in it’ll kill whatever it faces

You gonna change anything on my paste? Or should I jus like put orb on garchomp
not trying to sound like an a-hole, just asking

@fierce basin

[fierce basin]

Oh yeah I was going to my computer and got distracted by the neighbor dog

Dumb mf is barking at me for existing in my own home

[vestal gull]

No worries ☠️

[fierce basin]

oh you already made it mild chomp good

[vestal gull]

:3

[fierce basin]

for some reason when i imported it all your tera types were bug so i put some on if you had others you can swap back https://pokepast.es/79c02f0105ec0c1f
didnt change much, I made your clodsire a slowking-galar so you can always go to it on garg and chilly reception out to one of your now 2 encore guys. I made waterpon sd over uturn so if you encore it into iron defense you still beat them instead of bursting into sweat. made the garchomp life orb, but I also made it flamethrower cause im a coward. you can swap it back to fire blast if you're not scared like I am. With clodsire gone there's no spikes, so I put spikes over rocks on chomp. That hurts me to do cause in most gens you always go rocks over spikes, but in this boots infested gen imo it's justifiable to hit those that resist rocks harder

[forest magnet]

the tera type is a bug with the new feature uploading teams to the sever

[fierce basin]

oh okay

[forest magnet]

like a real bug, i reported it alr

[fierce basin]

ironic cause all the types r labeled bug

[forest magnet]

ikr

[hazy plank]

U forgot 4 ev on wake

[forest magnet]

yeah sorry, invest that into phys def to take sucker punch "better"

[vestal gull]

Okay thanks a lot
Just curious, why do I need the snow up? And I might swap for fire blast if I’m brave enough

[fierce basin]

you dont

[forest magnet]

its for pivoting

[vestal gull]

The nickname LMAOO

[fierce basin]

the garg clicks salt cure or body press on the slowking, and then it exits the field

[vestal gull]

Ohh

[fierce basin]

because you go 2nd and then it zoops out

[vestal gull]

yeahh okay

[forest magnet]

so you don't take salt damage

as well as being able to catch it lacking with a protect or recover or curse etc..

then encore

[fierce basin]

yeah it lets you encore garg rly comfortably

[vestal gull]

Okok I gotchu

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/fa6db88955950d31 this is my first self made ou team, Hope it's ok, I love using Meowscarada

[forest magnet]

lead meow isn't the best right now, it struggles with alot of the other lead mons + u get so much more mileage by using boots/choiced for item removal

I would want to make some suggestions, but I'm not sure what direction u wanna go into, please tell me

[sly mauve]

I honestly forgot what I was doing with this team, It was 5 in the morning and I saw freezai upload something about garchomp, saw the first 3 pokemon and heard that oh they are good, and I was like ok lemme cook, so I cooked and with not knowing a lot about competitve pokemon I got to 1309 in the elo ladder with it and I felt happy but I dropped since then but it's ok

iron moth is just all around a good attacker and meow was there for hazard leads, it matches well against slower teams and that leaf storm hits hard soooo yeah

My main issue is sticky web teams

brb

[forest magnet]

Oh, i'm not asking for u to explain ur team, what direction do u wanna go in?

[sly mauve]

Ohhhh, everything is so offense focused so I figured to go with the flow

Plus I love to be aggressive with my switches

[forest magnet]

k

[sly mauve]

Gonna lay down for a lil, can we discuss this tomorrow?

[forest magnet]

well i have it all ready, i'll just leave a message and u can read it later

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/593dc135a47325cf I swapped enam for val, gives better speed control + coverage. I also swapped meow for glimm, its way better as a lead mon (positive matchups into other mons). made some minor changes to gholdengo and tusk made ghold more defensive and swapped close combat for ice spnner on tusk.

[rocky kiln]

What is the tera ghost useful for moth?

[fierce basin]

Espeed immunity

[rocky kiln]

I see

Nite usage is still up

[polar grail]

omg the look behund is here as well

[sand citrus]

Can someone help me improving this team pls ?

https://pokepast.es/814e200960134a37

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[delicate pike]

https://pokepast.es/89b345a9aaaf42cc

Looking for improovements

[hazy plank]

Obv lol

[west harbor]

https://pokepast.es/92c07956935b8b6c
a bulkier gliscor with hazards is really potent rn and can be difficult for some teams to deal with due to toxic too. in general it’s probably the best mon in the tier rn for its ability to just come in and sit on things. because gliscor is now bulky spikes, i also changed ogerpon to sd to give you back that offensive presence on a more effective breaker - waterpon is really hard to switch into rn

https://pokepast.es/18b21af45b615f51
i made this second version too with more changes. i think this version is a lot better but idk if it compromises your original ideas too much. i went pult > wake because waterpon + wake coverage is a bit redundant in what it can break + pult also gives you some extra speed. kingambit > gholdengo gives you a ghost resist because opposing dragapult can just 6-0 with shadow ball otherwise

[west harbor]

• dd dragonite benefits from boots more than leftovers so it can keep multiscale intact regardless of whether rocks are up
• tera electric / tbolt valiant isn’t really great rn when gliscor is the best mon in the meta. you can try tera fairy for power or some defensive teras like steel and ghost too. psyshock is worth trying here too
• pyro ball > taunt on cinderace. it’s gonna be way too passive without it, relying on wisp and uturn to actually do any damage which isn’t good
• for glowking, i’d recommend using the smogdex pivot set. sludge bomb is good to have to hit valiant / enam and there’s other options like twave worth trying too
• life orb kingambit isn’t really ideal because you’re going to get chipped down too much before you can even break anything. if you want power, try black glasses, or you can try leftovers so it can come in more times to check dragapult
• you can spikes > tspikes on gliscor because they’re a lot more punishing when you’re forcing switches, but if tspikes works in practice it can have good matchups too. you don’t really need that much speed though and you’d be better off investing in bulk

the structure itself is pretty solid but you might have trouble killing gliscor with this especially protect toxic sets. if you do, you could try waterpon > cinderace

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/a7d37a8a2ecc789c

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/f57503bdcaf6f2a9 swapped zama's set for a 4 attack set, its really consistent in breaking apart teams slowly as well as support in future sight, swapped slowking's set for an av one, made the evs a bit mixed to serve as a general wall. make zapdos physdef to support slowkingglalar (eg take the ground hits) and fish for para on this sorta slow team, also made val encore calm mind to help vs gliscor which the team stuggles with a bit and made kingambit bulky, its far better when you have a fatter team like this (sball switchin)

hope this helps

[upper maple]

Thanks

Sorry if you were gonna do smth else

[forest magnet]

lol its k

3:00 am so imma hit the hay (corny)

[delicate pike]

Understood!!

[sand citrus]

Ty very much for ur help im impatient to try try these two teams !

[sudden tendon]

I want to ask something
The person asked for rating before with the same team and I ve done my suggestions. Our suggestions are nearly the same, bulkier Gliscor, those improvements on Ogerpon and suggesting a replacement for Wake. I liked your Dragapult + Kingambit idea as replacements but my question is: What is the point of pairing Spikes with Court Change there? I mean they don't seem to synergize at all. You wouldn't want to use Court Change after setting 3 layers of Spikes. Also wouldn't Amoonguss be more effective with leftovers?

[west harbor]

court change is decent for utility if your opponent brings webs/tspikes/whatever but it’s not really clicked as much if you have your own hazards yea. it’s not as useful but the team structure doesn’t rly need to drop ace

you can try leftovers amoon but boots is better because you have regen so you’re always healing + being able to consistently heal regardless of hazards is good

amoon is also a good knock switch in too

[ornate scarab]

https://pokepast.es/2666948661cde06f

wanted to make a team to revolve around toxtricity but I don't know what other teammates would tox appreciate. Been laddering for a bit, reached 1500 but still didn't know what to change... any help?

[west harbor]

also veil, forgot that mb

[calm ether]

https://pokepast.es/6cab7fdb9418052a suggestions are very welcome ;]

[static socket]

https://pokepast.es/9fe8e0013e15abd3 any holes?

[sudden tendon]

Thanks for explaining, I could understand the Court Change part but I would still go with lefties for Amoonguss as I think it's Regenerator covers that hazard damage while it constantly keeps healing within staying in that would otherwise do nothing other than preventing that one time damage. I think I would only use it if there was no removers/reliable removers in my team. But I could see the point

[west harbor]

leftovers healing - hazards damage is a lot less than regen healing with no hazards chip unless you stay in for like 5 turns, which is unlikely when amoon is hard walled by gholdengo and is forced out every time

[sudden tendon]

You are most likely going to stay at least 2 turns after switching and that would be enough to cover sr dmg. The part that I don't like about boots is it being no help when you stay in while you can gain health by leftovers in a good amount. It can only have advantage like when there's multiple layers of spikes and that's it in my eyes

[west harbor]

spikes are far far more common than rocks rn and it’s easy to stack them vs bulkier teams with no removal apart from ace. i agree that if it was a rocks meta then leftovers would be worth considering but it’s much more of a spikes meta so boots works well

[sudden tendon]

Oh so that's the main point. Again, thanks for explanation.

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/928db9d5f9213f16 stall or something

gliscor is supposed to be water and clefable steel

[surreal bloom]

the nicks is over the place

[sudden tendon]

You have leftovers on Dragonite and that puts a huge risk on losing it's Multiscale advantage + stealth rock would harm it pretty much. You should go with boots especially when you don't have a realiable remover and that's the case I see here as you have Court Change alongside a Ting-Lu which's only focus is hazard setting other than being an Electric check. I mean you wouldn't want to use Court Change after Ting-Lu setting all those hazard and if you are going to make use of Court Change what is the purpose of Ting-Lu then so there's a failed synergy here. If you do want to focus on setting hazard on opposing side then it's best to have a spinner on your side. In your case though, you can make them all work together with having a Defog user. In that way you can use Court Change if your opponent sets hazard first or if you haven't gone too far with hazard setting and if it's worth/you need switching hazards with your opponent. Then if you have done setting those hazards on oppsing side and you want to get rid of the ones on your side, you can use Defog and it would give you a chance to use Ting-Lu to set up again or Cinderace to pass hazards on your side to opposing one. Lastly I'd prefer having coverage moves on Dragonite and Valiant over those Encore. Fire Punch on Dragonite for Steel/Flying and Ghost/Grass mons and Psychic/Psyshock on Valiant for Posion types as they are your sweepers and you wouldn't want them being stopped.

[calm ether]

Thanks a lot for the suggestions! How do you think Clodsire would work instead of Ting-Lu? Or what member would you change for what defog user?

[sudden tendon]

I think Clod would be a good choice with having recovery. You would have more opportunies to make switches which would help your sweepers. But half of your team would be weak to ground (that's not a big problem btw as you have two ground immunities) so you may want to use Kingambit with Flying Tera in that case. And if you want to keep Ting-Lu and looking for a defogger, I'd replace Rotom-W for it.

[calm ether]

I think tera flying for Kingambit is a good idea. Personally I prefer to keep leftovers on dnite, it provides longevity without the need for roost, and also it can restore back to full for multiscale, and with encore, better 1v1 endgame opposing Kingambit, but yeah have to admit that keeping rocks off can be difficult

[ruby crest]

Boots is always better on dnite

There would be crucial moments you want to bring dnite in prob to even begin setting up but won’t matter since multiscale is negated

[calm ether]

That is a very fair critique yeah

Difficult to decide on the last move being encore, fire punch or roost with hdb

[ruby crest]

All of them have their merits tho I’m more in favor of roost or encore you can mess around with both and see which one you like more

[steep canopy]

https://pokepast.es/31d0385c37ab5b3b wdyt?

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[ruby crest]

i assume this is meant to be nd ou because this is for sv ou

[steep canopy]

if i was even able to

rate on sv ou if you can

i stuck in 1350 so idk

maybe its my foult not the team

[ruby crest]

i understand why you would want to use mandi in stall tho itself is still not pretty good and will still lose to dengo believe it or not so i recommend making this a dondozo with tera dragon for better mu against ogerpon-w, I want to make this mg clef with tect and knock basically free boots and able to switch into status etc, by doing this i would then do pex > aloma as this gives u better answer against mana and iron val, https://pokepast.es/14e25f3227e79c85 import of the team with changes

[ruby crest]

like stated this is clearly an nd team which features mon not in sv ou or straight up banned namely the urshifu-r and tapu lele, if you want help i suggest asking at #comp-general

[steep canopy]

They dont really care i see

[ruby crest]

be mindful not everyone there plays nd and those who do prob aren’t available

[spiral fable]

there's a natdex ou rating channel go there

[ruby crest]

It locked

[spiral fable]

o

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep canopy]

https://pokepast.es/6d0cc03f1a6592d8

what about now

[sly mauve]

Thank you for this help, I figured that enamorus was worse for that team anyways because of that speed

[steep canopy]

legal on sv ou

[barren escarp]

how could i make this team better?
https://pokepast.es/5203f47173e5c6cd

[ruby crest]

This is literally the sample team but with oger w > gren

[barren escarp]

oh

dang

i asked here some time ago those with the changes but i felt like it was a little worse 😔

[sly mauve]

thank u very much

[trim saffron]

Hi, this is my first attempt at Stall, looking for any advice, not dead set on any pokemon https://pokepast.es/e84689d2deb8a27d

[sonic siren]

Here’s my first balance team in a while, any adjustments I should make? https://pokepast.es/98b74c841da8843f

[spiral fable]

So the problem with current stall is that you're limited to a certain pool of mons and sets
you have to run full hp full spdef blissey, with cm soft boiled seismic toss and preferably heal bell
Mola isn't really good on stall
Gliscor is alright but you have to run a fully defensive set
Dirge and emp suck on stall
Pex is good but you need to run the spdef
Honestly, I would recommend just running voltage's stall: It's really hard to build stall this gen and it would be better if you got experience playing it first before you built teams
https://pokepast.es/47269c56e2af2991

[trim saffron]

Okay! Thank you for the advice, I will grind the ladder with the last team 🙂 Thanks

[spiral fable]

you do not need three different hazard setters when ting lu can do the job

[sonic siren]

Ight, so should I change empoleon and clefables sets or swap them for 2 other mons entirely

[spiral fable]

honestly i would drop emp entirely

[sonic siren]

Who should I swap him for? He was my lead originally

I kind of wanted a water type cause it shores up my type matchups

[spiral fable]

well wish passing mola would be nice for this team

also, defog corv is just bad all you do is let ghold in for free which then can then chip down ting lu

[sonic siren]

Alr, what should I have as removal then?

And if I’m using wish mola what should I swap out on clefable?

[spiral fable]

i mean honestly tusk is the only pick but it doesn't really fit well with this team let me think for a sec

[sonic siren]

Alr

[spiral fable]

run a phys def tusk with spinner eq spin and knock

[sonic siren]

Over clefable?

[spiral fable]

No over emp

sorry not emp corv

[sonic siren]

Alr

And then mola over emp right?

[spiral fable]

no

i think you should run ghold instead

probably scarf for some speed control

[sonic siren]

Alr

[spiral fable]

and i'm really not sure about sneasler

[sonic siren]

I run him as a cleaner/ sweeper

He’s also a solid wincon if things get bad

So that’s why I run him

[spiral fable]

hm ok

run cm clef in the last slot

[sonic siren]

Alr

[spiral fable]

instead of rocks

alternatively you can run encore clef

but i like cm better

[sonic siren]

Ok

And what should I replace on ting lu for rocks?

[spiral fable]

ruinatino

alternatively if you find yourself struggling with balloon ghold you can run ruination again, put rocks on tusk over knock/spinner

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/aa3edea55f6f8712

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[static socket]

https://pokepast.es/7b163b1c3149f42e

Any holes?

[astral crane]

Are there like

Any other tbuilding apps or websites that are updated

Other than pikalytics

[spiral fable]

The forums

Spidge you wanna take these two teams or

[fierce basin]

im typing about the h.o one

i guess i shouldve said i was typing about it first

[spiral fable]

I haven’t started yet dw

[fierce basin]

hi, h.o is pretty preference based but I tried to improve your team with the same mons:
I made ribombee tera steel over tera ghost, instead of blocking rapid spin from tusk I think it's more relevant to block mortal spin from glimmora. I also put skill swap on your ribombee incase your opp has magic bounce.
Your manaphy set imo is more apt for veil, since it has more free turns to set up double dance. I think full offensive tail glow manaphy is more appropriate to take advantage of your webs.
Your gholdengo is recover nasty plot full offensive timid on a webs team with tera fighting. Tera fighting doesn't make much sense to me since you don't have focus blast, so I swapped it to fairy. Additionally, I gave you a bulkier ghold spread to help with keeping webs up vs tusk, and to take advantage of recover/plot
Here's an updated paste https://pokepast.es/4a11ba96bf643f38 hope you hf

[spiral fable]

Run rocks over bu on tusk and put evs on it lol, you don’t have any form of immediate power or speed control so I would recommend dropping Tran for scarf gholdengo and running dark glasses gambit/dropping manaphy for pult

O yeah might want to run cm instead of encore clef up to you though

[static socket]

Yes glimmora is annoying

[spiral fable]

I agree

[fierce basin]

Yeah but sometimes glimm is their only hope at keeping em off, so if u tera to gain mortal spin immunity you might just win

[static socket]

I shall incorporate these changes although I’ll mess around with ghol’s evs. It already beats walls without webs up

Speed wise

[fierce basin]

Yeah whatever u feel like. Gl

I gave u a paste so u don't have to put it in yourself

[static socket]

Thx i just skill swap guts user ftw lmao

[velvet path]

can you help me change the team to fit manphy i want to try a team with acid armor take heart mnaphy

[spiral fable]

why not run a screens ho team then

[velvet path]

ok

oh i found a manaphy team on the forums

[azure pecan]

https://pokepast.es/117709d2dc7641a4

[viral sable]

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[azure pecan]

whatre yalls thoughts?

not sure what optimal evs are

just a quick first draft

[forest magnet]

i gotchu

[sly mauve]

I'm very new to competitive pokemon, so I had a friend help me in making this, how'd we do? https://pokepast.es/71ce071ba0884c1c

Your friend set you up for failure

[barren escarp]

how can i make this team better?
https://pokepast.es/80c9380cb86c4cc1

[azure pecan]

i might be tripping was i meant to open another channel or something?

[forest magnet]

oh my bad

i'm very sorry

[azure pecan]

[forest magnet]

my god

i have zero attention span

sorry man

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/41095e2b16765ce6 Swapped empo for clef, it can help heal up walls like great tusk and is a more solid spd wall then empo, made tusk more offensive, adds firepower to the team as you don't want to be passive (alr 3 defensive mons). Made iron val calm mind, adds some spa to the team and made kingambit bulky for a better sball swicthin.

[azure pecan]

cheers bro! ive heard about the emp/scor/ghold core being etremely potent but i can give clef a go for sure

the rest of the changes make total sense, i was also torn between val sets

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/c3b7925305f27a71 made rillaboom band, serves as good revenging + pivot chip damage, made oger more offensive (giving it swords dance and low kick) swapped ghold for manaphy, at defence setup set that can snowball thanks to grassy recovery + leftovers. also made cinder wisp as we have piority in rillaboom now

[barren escarp]

i see

thanks!

[upbeat anchor]

https://pokepast.es/6e10f4f7cda263cb any thoughts?

[high pier]

why no poison stab on iron moth?

[sly mauve]

It’s not a requirement really

Since it’s Tera fairy dazzling gleam is also good

[sudden tendon]

It's the only mon that have safe switch to Fairy but have no super effective move which is bad

[sudden tendon]

Your team is weak to ground and you only have Rillaboom for check, Psychic weakness is problematic too. But other than that: your sets are good, just try to build a good synergy between your team members. Also I'd recommend using Horn Leech with Ogerpon Rock to make use uf that Sturdy.

[upbeat anchor]

alr thanks

[hollow talon]

Does anyone have a Gen 9 OU team with xamazenta

Without DLC pokemon

and without booster energy

[barren escarp]

how could i improve this team?
https://pokepast.es/4db5f671f864e02e

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[barren escarp]

my goal was hazard spam

i emant to give ting lu stealth

i also emant to give dnite max attack evs

[ruby crest]

this is actually a cool looking build i recommend doing sub 3 attacks iron moth,tera dark offensive gambit, make sneasler shadow claw with tera ghost, hazards are going to be problematic so i recommend changing iron hands for offensive great tusk with eject pack this lets it hit hard while being able to "pivot" around with eject pack, but boots can be another option to mitigate damage from hazards to effectively remove em, https://pokepast.es/16b90b13db528529 here's an import of the team with changes

[upbeat anchor]

Thanks alot!

[ruby crest]

you can do sd ogerpon if spikes arent doing a lot

[upbeat anchor]

i'll try that

[round lance]

i've been having fun fighting low ladder with sinistcha conkeldurr tr, anything i can do to make it fun in high ladder?

https://pokepast.es/d2d2adeb9107a635

[fierce basin]

hi, if you'd like to make it a bit more viable while keeping the sinistcha and conk, i'd make these changes
healing wish on hatt, allows you to kill yourself after getting up trick room, and in later gens like this one healing wish gets stored and it activates next time you bring out an injured guy.
I took gliscor and made it a more viable trick room guts physical attacker, ursaluna.
I took empoleon, which imo doesn't fit on this team as it it's a momentum sink, and made it a crawdaunt.
Lastly I made kingambit swords dance over taunt. hope you hf
https://pokepast.es/c983376a878fd543

personally I'd make the sinistcha a cresselia but it's named sinistcha conkeldurr tr

wait i didnt even look at this conk set... im changing this too

you dont need defog on conk, all your guys are hitters, if they set up hazards you're probably taking a pokemon from them. made it pjab incase of opposing hatt, and cc over drain punch. guess you can swap back to drain punch if you prefer it later, but conk is a big slapper

https://pokepast.es/a14a477d769645e4

[ruby crest]

why no facade :(

[fierce basin]

idk what he had quake for I thought he may know something I dont

i tried to put a slash for facade but it didnt save

like I put earthquake/facade in the website but it didnt save my slash when i sent it to pokepaste

how do I slash

[ruby crest]

i mean what does what quake hit that facade doesnt

[round lance]

i like having hazard control with defog. eq can be replaced if ursaluna is there

[ruby crest]

u gotta do it manually

[fierce basin]

facade

[round lance]

knock is always good

[fierce basin]

yeah knock is always good

[round lance]

would drain punch on luna be good over fire punch? it would weaken the corv matchup, but it would be nice to have recovery to help offset flame orb damage.

[ruby crest]

fpunch is better generally cause otherwise ballon dengo just sits on it

[fierce basin]

i'd prob stick w fire punch so it doesnt iron defense up and killa ll ur guys

oh yeah and balloon ghold

[barren escarp]

bump

[round lance]

kk, thx

flame orb spam is fun

i have another team i like using, featuring haxorus and sandy shocks

https://pokepast.es/e67d1980e6097a4f

[round lance]

i'm thinking on switching to booster speed on shocks and getting rid of tblast ice for twave

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/4e6f023b9dfa0d4a

so whta do u guys think of this team

[ruby crest]

not a fan of rotom-w here or cyclizar, would recommend making rotom-w an iron valiant mixed attacker to maintain speed control and a overall good wincon, replace cyclizar with great tusk this gives u hazard control a secondary hazard setter so ting lu doesnt have to run all fo em and also a check to gambit which the original version lacked, do rest > ruination on ting-lu, encore > fpunch on dnite, and decided to make this a bulkier gholdengo with boots since garg usage is not the common rn with tera fairy and to give this team a way to improve against stall we can do psyshock > make it rain, https://pokepast.es/3e5bfa0ecec88e55 here's an import of the team with changes

[static socket]

https://pokepast.es/fdb7b7e719174cba this team got me to 1450 but i think I’ll swap out gambit and manaphy to form a defensive core against stuff like moth pult zapdos

Some games I’ll get a early steamroll due to the offensive nature but facing it’s checks i end up having to sack to get momentum back

[spiral fable]

so you have a webs team but why is val not a setup sweeper, dnite doesn't really fit on webs teams and you would benefit much more from a mon like waterpon, and lefites manaphy is kinda wack since you're going for power not survivability

also gambit has no item lol

[static socket]

My bad🤓

[spiral fable]

and if you want to swap out mons for a defensive core drop ribombee there's no point in having a defensive core on a webs team

[static socket]

True u right

[static socket]

I’ve actually gotten a extra turn or 2 back with leftovers and helps with switching into hazards since I’m not running removal

Waterpon is just a free zapdos sweep

[static socket]

I think roaring moon>drag for move coverage

[static socket]

https://pokepast.es/9dfc5dc6f244c5c8

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[static socket]

Revised version been winning more mus

[west harbor]

youd be better with dd moon so you can switch moves + set up with webs active. band isnt as good on ho because its easy to just go into a resist and then youre forced out

you can also try the booster moth set with sub, you sub on something you force out and then it becomes really difficult to deal with

[static socket]

Yeah thx

[still citrus]

https://pokepast.es/a03d5a12284f1154 guys trust me on this team I even have an example game https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1966854953

[west harbor]

are you looking for a rate or just to show it off?

this channel is for rating teams to make them viable in the ou meta and idt your team is really aiming for that

[still citrus]

It’s legitimately not a terrible team

[static socket]

https://pokepast.es/ce285b2c7744f0fb

[still citrus]

Got to 1700 elo with it

[west harbor]

this channel isn’t really for meme teams tho, it’s for giving advice and improving ou viable builds. you’re more than welcome to use that on ladder but it’s not really something we could rate without saying to throw the whole team away

[ruby crest]

make ribombee tera ghost, encore > spirit break on iron val, tera fairy on iron moth and dlgeam and do max speed max spa to get the special attack boost with webs it makes up for the speed so u can still be a powerful breaker, https://pokepast.es/7b5ba28033fb8ec1 heres an import

[static socket]

Another guy said tera steel for glimmora leads

Unless I’m missing something

[ruby crest]

that could be helpful

[static socket]

It’s been working so far

[ruby crest]

so i guess you can mess with both being able to prevent spin can be helpful here and there even tho u hardly want to switch ribombee unless its desperate

tera*

[static socket]

I have ghol as spinblocker

Tera grass moth for water/ground checking

[ruby crest]

tera grass is alright but tera fairy gives it handful of resistance and a cool immunity also most water or grounds hardly want to come in and u hit more relevant stuff with it as well

[static socket]

I see

[ruby crest]

i mean ur also free to mess with both and see which one you like more

[static socket]

That’s the plan yeah

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/6bbc1ed6db49b59f

Just curious to see how u guys think of it

[viral sable]

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[spiral fable]

hey didnt i already rate this

@static socket please dont post teams that are already rated

[static socket]

I tweaked it i believe but I’ll delete

[spiral fable]

i mean its mostly the same

[static socket]

Oh bet

[spiral fable]

so there's no point in asking for a new rate cuz its the exact same

[static socket]

Hm

[spiral fable]

swap the pult to a specs set, swap the moth to the boots set, if you're going to run corv drop iron head for body press, run a bulky tusk set with rocks, swap out ice beam on mola for flip turn

[barren escarp]

ooh, thanks!

[quick bluff]

grassy ho i’ve been using https://pokepast.es/9989cd51f8963646

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[quick bluff]

been doing really well, just wondering if i can improve it in any way

in particular i feel like hatt’s speed and rilla’s bulk could be optimized but not entirely sure

[sly mauve]

I updated my team

https://pokepast.es/09450a5009dd57d4

[quick bluff]

alo would rather run boots or lefties, and since it has flip turn it shouldn’t have 0 iv atk

iron moth would rather run booster speed than boots on a 4a set or just run booster spatk agility i think, not a huge fan of boots moth in general

great tusk’s spread is a little weird, should either run max hp max atk, max atk max speed, or max physdef and hp

based on the set I’d make it offensive

also rapid spin tusk means corv isn’t that necessary, esp on an offensive team

i’d drop that for some other flier

[fierce basin]

Yeah, you want to speed creep pex w Hatt. Pex goes to 106 and I'd make Hatt 108. This way you don't get your stored power boosts hazed away before being able to attack

[spiral fable]

huh is haze not blocked by magic bounce?

[fierce basin]

Never hazed urself?

[spiral fable]

the more you know ig

[quick bluff]

ahh okay makes sense, thank you!

[rose hinge]

https://pokepast.es/d2ee8b35bc9c3e97 ddance roaring moon is the focus

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

so this is basically ho, drop greninja for glimmora, run the bu booster set for tusk, run the sd/cm set on val(personally i would recommend sd)

[forest magnet]

send a paste of changes!!

[spiral fable]

pay me 5 bucks(give me a few mins)

https://pokepast.es/3fdc05e533d0723b

@rose hinge

[rose hinge]

ty

[rain kernel]

@forest magnet so i herd u liek mudkips

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/7c870751895d8a50 I made kingambit offensive, you are under screens so you eat things better, swapped the set on great tusk for bulk up, helps w sweeping and beats other great tusk (helps out gambit) and made moth tera ghost to be immune to extreme speed, and swapped dazzle for psychic. made oger horn leech so you can recover under veil) extra bulky you can make oger encore (encore over trailblaze) but its up to you.

[rain kernel]

ehhh Trailblaze is kinda important

I could try out horn leech maybe idk

no gleam kinda goes against what I wanted to do with moth. Psychic isn't a bad option but... I lose the ability to deal with dragons on any real level. It basically just wins vs other Moths and Pex in that case

and Gambit running tera dark feels.... unnecessary

[forest magnet]

sludge wave?

[forest magnet]

yeah u can run tera flying/fairy if not

i prefer flying

but up to you

[rain kernel]

I'm not dismissing the idea of max speed Gambit but the only reason to do that is the Gambit mirror

[forest magnet]

yep + beat walls

like corv

and other slow attackers

[rain kernel]

might try Horn leech but I'm extremely... idk, iffy on other suggestions because most of these change the entire way the team plays

Gambit speed is something though

[forest magnet]

why don't u like horn leech?

i see it as more consistent + healing under viel

[rain kernel]

no no I mean that's the thing you suggested I may decide to try out

[forest magnet]

but i understand for the power

but i just missed it alot so scared :P

[rain kernel]

I don't like moves that have less than 100% accuracy

trailblaze lets me beat other HO much easier

I get it though

Oger has major 4mss

[forest magnet]

wait r we talking abt the same thing

sorry i just didn't understant

Suika (Ogerpon-Wellspring) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Horn Leech
• Ivy Cudgel
• Trailblaze

[rain kernel]

what part confused you?

yes that's the set I'm considering

[forest magnet]

oh alr

[rain kernel]

you said drop trailblaze

[forest magnet]

no

wait i can't read sorry

[forest magnet]

yeah keep it if you want

trailblaze kills sneasler and friends

[rain kernel]

yeah

oh maybe I misread then

going to test horn leech

Valiant is the one mon where I'm just not sure on the set

basically every aspect of that set is open to change.

[dense valve]

https://pokepast.es/eb2716427958effa is this heat or am I just at 1400 elo?

[dim badge]

I want some thoughts on my doubles team if anyone has any. I’m running trick room cresselia (trick room, ally switch, moonblast, lunar blessing) with rocky helmet. I open it next to max SpD max HP curse torterra (bullet seed, rock blast, earthquake, curse) with loaded dice and water terra. I have chandelure and clodsire as support when needed (like against grass types or strong water types). I know this is a block of text, but thoughts?

Oh also chandelure is using whatever the latest gen choice specs set is, so I use it as a revenge killer pretty often. Idk what I set up clodsire as besides bulky

[random wolf]

Is this Doubles OU?

If so, #1059655497587888158

[dim badge]

Thx

[past night]

Good evening to you all, need some help or ideas for a team. ITs pretty solid getting me up to 1650's but it would seem stall and Iron Moth give me a really hard time. Any reccomendations? I would prefer to keep H-Zoro, Enam, Gambit and kind of Greninja on the team, the other two can be swapped. Any feedback would be appreciated and thank you in advance.

https://pokepast.es/f16f3b5c9fe9821b

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

There's no point in running screens on a balance team, either dedicate to the screens ho or drop atales for specs pult
Just run the standard gking set
https://pokepast.es/135e917f516dde20 for the balance
Alternatively you could run enamorus/moth but i like pult best

[dense valve]

My thought is that the screens on aTales as well as the snow defense boost after I Tera helps chomp take hits while setting up

[spiral fable]

nah

chomp still gets revenge killed easily by common mons in the tier, ie booster val, and having a dedicated tera sink on your team really holds it back + at that point why not just make a full ho team with chomp if you're so dedicated to this

[spiral fable]

Frankly hzoro and enamorus are really holding back your team

[past night]

Zoros kinda my guy, i know hes mid at best but its an amazing feeling tricking people

[spiral fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[past night]

i think every team ive ask help for had one lol

[spiral fable]

I can't really help your team much, but I would say just dedicate fully to ho there's no point in this weird sham bo you have going on right now
Drop greninja for screens, swap enam's set for a bulky set up sweeper, swap tusk for water ogerpon, swap sneasler for val/an unburden set, and run a fully offensive set on hzor

once again hzoroark is really holding this team back + enam

[past night]

you really said the whole team needs to go in the trash lol

[spiral fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if you want to build around a core like that you're going to need to make some major adjustments

[vernal hornet]

I made a BO in like 5 mins so it probably isn’t very good, but rate it anyway

https://pokepast.es/eddc8ae14c8b00e6

I need to redo the Moth’s stats

It was originally booster
I was also thinking about T spikes utility

[past night]

than kyou

[vernal hornet]

Also ping me for suggestions or else I might not see them

[crude frost]

Yo can I ask for feedback on my team here?

If I did not completely read the rules incorrectly I guess I can

I am really new to playing OU legitimately, I have mostly been playing random battles so I am not great at creating teams, but yesterday I tried to create a Rain team with Zamazenta

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Spiky Shield
• Swords Dance

Ribombee @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shield Dust
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Sticky Web
• Moonblast
• Stun Spore
• U-turn

Pelipper @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Hurricane
• Knock Off
• Roost
• U-turn

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Roost
• Hurricane
• Thunderbolt
• Volt Switch

Zamazenta @ Damp Rock
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 248 HP / 188 Def / 36 SpD / 36 Spe
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Rain Dance
• Body Press
• Iron Defense
• Substitute

Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Tail Glow
• Surf
• Dazzling Gleam
• Energy Ball

The problem is that I feel like I don't have any hazard control and most of the time I can't really use both Ogerpon and Manaphy, and it is difficult getting up rain dance with zamazenta

I guess I struggle a lot against dragons, especially pult which outspeeds me most of the time and if ribombee dies early I can't do anything. I don't really have good coverage on the team too

If you guys have suggestions on what I change with the team or other mons I can use instead, please let me know

[random wolf]

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[viral sable]

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[rose hinge]

yo the tusk doesnt have rapid spin

is tht normal

[rose hinge]

sorry mb

i meant isnt the booster meant to be speed not atatck?

[forest magnet]

yeah this is the ev combo for speed

the 124 def evs are pulled from spa so its not spa boosting

[cloud blade]

https://pokepast.es/dce5435ed04b7084

And a replay of me sacking half the team to win with gliscor https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1965782705

Team 1-10? Any suggestions on ways to fix certain bad matchups?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow, @fierce basin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cloud blade]

If ur running rain you need a good switchin for opposing teams that have mons that might benefit from rain. A ground type that can maybe pivot (like gliscor/lando maybe or even tusk)+gholdengo are what I reccomend
Rain+sticky web leaves you very weak to sun teams imo especially one with ace, as torkoal steals your weather, and wake will murder your team regardless who has control of weather. Also u lack a big abuser for speed, and using waterpon on rain doesnt work great, as waterpon takes longer to setup and if rains gone by the time u start attacking, what was the point?
So switch waterpon for something like Barraskewda or a Basculegion, and ribombee for gholdengo, and switch zama for either gliscor, lando T, or defensive Tusk

Also add rest onto your manaphy, make it scald, coverage/stored power/acid armor, rest, take heart and like tera poison or smth

[cloud blade]

Opinion on yawn over twave (i have gliscor spreading toxic and no unaware mon) and tera bug over grass on gking?

#1059653209678950460 message the post of that team specifically

[spiral fable]

Dude I've got college apps due today I can't rate rn

[cloud blade]

No need to rate the team just was curious about that one thing

[spiral fable]

also why are you pinging me about someone elses team

[cloud blade]

Cuz you were talking about the set earlier also team was mine just asking about your thoughts on the gking set specifically (standard phys def with yawn over twave and tera bug over grass)

[primal phoenix]

hello can someone rate my team https://pokepast.es/71a2311f561659af

[cloud blade]

From what i can tell, you lose super hard to stall, give at least one mon knock off, and switch one mons item from booster energy
Other then that it just looks like a grouping of standard basic glue mons that you cant go wrong with

[primal phoenix]

Thanks

[rose hinge]

when i use it its boosting attack

i just changed it now

[forest magnet]

@fierce basin

i got this one

[fierce basin]

no im done

[fierce basin]

tbh I'd scrap this team as you're very weak to kingambit, opposing gliscor, phys booster val w ice punch/cc/knock (real trust), booster tusk, water garg aside from tbolt on pult, and your rillaboom terrain messes with your gliscor quakes
but I took a shot at improving it with majority of the same mons:
spikes over knock on gliscor because it's the most broken spiker rn,
knock over fog on scizor since now you have both hazards
colbur and t wave on your slowking as val/gambit copium I guess
replaced your AV rillaboom with a booster valiant so you have some form of speed control, better matchup into gambit, booster tusk, opposing gliscor
and lastly I made dragapult terablast w tera fight as a gambit lure, I literally couldn't bring myself to take off tbolt over uturn so you don't get 6-0d by water garg
gl https://pokepast.es/72f27282edfcd43b

sorry matte u can try if u want but i spent too long staring at that paste to not post it

[ruby crest]

pex is entirely random tbh for what is clearly an offensive team it just drains a lot of momentum for it, i suggest making kingambit tera dark with black glasses to improve ur stall mu immensely, replace dragapult with ninetales-a to give u a screener that compliments the entire team basically, do sub 3 attacks iron month > toxapex, and make this cm iron val > mixed attacker, https://pokepast.es/e27a83664952e2a1 here's an import of the team with changes

[primal phoenix]

Thanks I’m going to try it

[real willow]

gl on college apps!

[fervent bluff]

https://pokepast.es/674bc22d15eeddca
Put an earlier version of this team in here a while ago

[elfin relic]

https://pokepast.es/d91831ce42c36d92

could someone tell me if im doing anything wrong?
(mimikyu is my favourite pokemon so its there)
im kinda new to pokemon so plz help

[forest magnet]

would you be alright if we scrapped mim or nah

[elfin relic]

uh sure thats fine i guess if my team is really really awful

[forest magnet]

yeah this is a rain team meaning that you normally want to be using mons that abuse rain

for example, we would use basculegion over mimi as a physical attacker as it hits way harder

[elfin relic]

well what changes would you recommend?

[forest magnet]

looking at ur team right now...

and done!

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/0f8a461544066103 swapped Extrasensory on Gren for Dark Pulse, hitting with stabs does much more damage and made gren jolly to outspeed booster val. Swapped mimi for a basulegion, it hits way harder in rain (wave crash) and serves are speed controll, swapped ribombee for scizor, with rain u normally want to stick to run 1 type of playstyle (not rain + webs) as then your team becomes to constrained (has to dedicate to 2 playstyles on all in) it also serves as a 4x grass resist and a defogger. swapped tusk for manaphy, its a defensive wincon (via acid armor and take heart.

if you need any more info, feel free to ask

[elfin relic]

typically would i lead with peliper or sizcor in a perfect scenario?

[forest magnet]

i would reccomend reading the team preview instead of just clicking on a mon, lets say if they had sandy shocks, i wouldn't want to lead with my pelliper (you are giving them good positioning for free) I would want to lead with my ogerpon to setup on it

but mostly lead with pelliper unless u see somtn threatening to pelliper

[elfin relic]

thank you! ill try it out and see if i have any question

[forest magnet]

Hey, this is kinda all over the place and i'm not sure what direction to take this team. I would suggest using a sample team to learn the basics of how to build + you get to use proven good teams :)

https://pokepast.es/7e5dd8d4403b0806

i would reccomend this sample, its a very solid balance, but if you don't find that appealing then check out here for all the other samples

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[fervent bluff]

I mean the team worked really well before the dlc ._. But gliscor kinda screws it over now

[forest magnet]

yeah, the problem with teams that was pre dlc is that its changed so much that we can't really give any suggestions without it being a completly diffrent team

[fervent bluff]

Ty for the feedback tho, I'll try to work on smth

[elfin relic]

i see you put 28 speed on manaphy what was it made to outspeed?

[forest magnet]

most zapdos

• assortment of slow walls

[brave turtle]

Hey yall, if anyone has any suggestions for my team. Can't seem to really find whats wrong when teambuilding, but I'm fairly new. Much appreciated! https://pokepast.es/f1c55e2bbd965070

[forest magnet]

Great start, but slapping on arc seems kinda random. can you explain why its here?

i see some grassy terrian in ur team 👍

[brave turtle]

one of my fav mons lol, and i thought itd be a pretty good gholdengho check. i tried to build my team around it because i thought there werent a lot of good swaps into flare blitz and head smash rn in the meta

[elfin relic]

nice but i dont really have an answer for electric type moves as they supereffective the entire team

[forest magnet]

replace manaphy for zapods then

(you can do an offensive set w thunder + hurrcane)

for swap scizor for iron treads

Iron Treads @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Iron Head
• Knock Off
• Rapid Spin

and this is the zapdos set i would reccomend

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 104 HP / 152 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Roost
• Hurricane
• Thunder
• Volt Switch

[elfin relic]

what are the evs made to manage?

[forest magnet]

152 2hkos kingambit

and 104 is just extra bulk

252 speed is for manapy

[elfin relic]

ah thx ill use that and replace scizor with iron threads

[forest magnet]

kk

[elfin relic]

well wouldnt that mean i dont really have an answer against hazards or is that okay?

[forest magnet]

well treads is hazard removal

[elfin relic]

nevermind i was dum sry

[forest magnet]

its k

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/8ed59082060341cd Slowking Galar over Rotom, less ground weakness is nice + AV gives alot of spa bulk to the team (helps deal w iron moth) and swapped garchomp for hatterene, bulky setup sweeper as well as a good stallbreaker.

[forest magnet]

totes ok, just rated some other ones

[cloud blade]

ty, ye i definitely noticed the lack of speed control, and i hadnt actually looked at val, previously my kingambit answer was outplaying sucker or hoping they didnt have speed investment and cheesing them with BP (do wanna note, i made the gliscor set to 1v1 other gliscors in late game, but curious why twave over yawn? I had yawn as an anti sweeper measure (walmart roar) as a lot of my mons had a tendency to get sat on and i had no unaware

[brave turtle]

w/ the hatterene addition do you think i could swap cinderace off with a more threatening mon since that would be my hazard control, or you think havin both would be better

[forest magnet]

both, things like glimorra threaten hatt as well as things like samurott get spikes up ignoring hatt's ability

[brave turtle]

ahh alr ill try it out, tysm!

[forest magnet]

yeah hope it helps, feel free to ask if u have anymore questions

[cloud blade]

@forest magnet was there anything you had as well just from a quick look at my team that I could combine with what spidget had?