[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[forest magnet]

eg sandy shocks does really good vs ur team

or like iron val

[night kelp]

well i rly do not enjoy running great tusk nor kingambit

so im trying to figure out how to do something else

moltres doesnt look good ?

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/ef0ded070961b968 can someone rmt?

[forest magnet]

lacking in speed controll and don't use Quaquaval.

also Quaquaval and tusk ar both bulk up so theres alot of overlap and stuff where tusk could be a better utility mon

[abstract geyser]

https://pokepast.es/b32e5ea5ca4f3479 what should be my last one and should i change anything? I dont know how to teambuidl well so lmk

[spiral fable]

this is sv ou

you posted a natdex team

[abstract geyser]

oops

[spiral fable]

and please paste completed teams in the future

[barren escarp]

attempt at a stall team
https://pokepast.es/c10aa8fa953b036f

im not really knowledgeable in this stuff so forgive me if its horrendous

[forest magnet]

@spiral fable all u

oh nvm alr on it

[spiral fable]

stall is pretty hard to build this gen due to the prevelance of spikes stacking balance teams and the number of stupid strong offensive breakers that demand certain walls, which heavily limits team building

I would recommend that you stick to the sample stall teams: there's sadly not much room for innovation outside of them

If you want to keep this team, though, you need to run blissey

blissey is a requirement on stall for all the special attackers

ting lu isn't a bad pick but you need to run the rest set, as lefties isn't going to be enough to outlast key offensive threats

run rest on dozo as well

you need some form of hazard removal and also run 6 boots, hazards are the bane of stall

[spiral fable]

forgot to ping oops

gking isn't very good on stall, i would drop it for another mon, maybe a utility one for hazard removal

drop curse on dozo, and liquidation as well

run avalanche and rest

really iffy about the moltres pick

o yeah also pivot moves aren't really needed

and could be spent on status or other more useful moves

if you cant switch into a mon and tank a hit before healing up you've got bigger problems

[barren escarp]

this wall of text scares me

do i replace moltres for blissey?

and gking for smtn else

[spiral fable]

tldr: run sample team but if not need major rewrite

uh

yeah that could work

honestly i would swap pex for corv but that's personal preference

[barren escarp]

do i use heal bell on blissey?

[spiral fable]

blissey doesnt get heal bell

[barren escarp]

?

[spiral fable]

wtf when did they give it back

uh

hm im still not sure about heal bell since usually blissey is switching in on that status anyways but

up to you

[barren escarp]

i would use an atatck move or protect but eh

[spiral fable]

you team is going to struggle without a way to chip easily

and you need something to deal with heatran

[barren escarp]

ting lu right?

[spiral fable]

ting lu is like a fake check cuz tera grass just completely sits on it

[barren escarp]

tusk?

[spiral fable]

tusk is very iffy on stall

iirc the two most popular stall teams rn either run cyclizar or air balloon ditto

[barren escarp]

no stab on dondozo?

[spiral fable]

anything dozo can stay in on and hit does not care for water attacks

gambit and bax both shrug them off

[barren escarp]

alright

theres still one more missing

[spiral fable]

utility mon

[barren escarp]

i know like 2 😭

could you give me examples?

[spiral fable]

like i said before, cyclizar for its knock, fast spin, regenerator, and a way to beat heatran

meanwhile, ditto with air balloon to completely beat heatran is another popular team

torn t semi stall is going around, with nasty plot to break through weakened teams from stall chip

i've experimented with quaval semi stall to limited success as well

but at that point you might as well run the sample teams

stall is just very hard to teambuild without eventually ending up with one of the sample teams cuz there's so little pokemon that can come together to form an effective stall team

[barren escarp]

this is really helpful, thanks!

[spiral fable]

glad to help out a fellow stall fan

gl and ruin someone's day on ladder

[barren escarp]

i cant find the rest set 😭

[spiral fable]

though personally i would run whirlwind over protect

protect is nice for pp stalling though up to you

(this ting lu set assumes you have rocks on blissey)

[barren escarp]

okay, thanks!

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1936831871-1yera1lyogusvnwcuvm6fhujgedfv6apw

was this good stalling

[spiral fable]

i'll take this out of ou rates one sec

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[forest magnet]

this is for sv ou

please post in the right channel

[hasty dune]

Oh my bad

I’m sorry

[past spruce]

https://pokepast.es/8272c60b98bb1e80 can anyone rate this team I just built?

[spring imp]

wouldnt tera dark be better for dhengo

[nimble summit]

https://pokepast.es/0d87a1b5df370954
can someone please rate this team? havent built my own team yet this gen

[past spruce]

I wanted to use Tera Fighting + Focus Blast with some added bulk to allow it to be a nice Kingambit lure

The Standard HO sample team uses a similar Gholdengo but with Thunder Wave over Recover

So I decided to add Recover to give it some longevity and give it more opportunities to exploit its good matchups and add a bit of Speed to outspeed some of the slower pivots

And being able to stay around for longer and force switches is a nice quality that benefits the team as a whole

[fierce basin]

Ur set is fine but tera dark lets you also resist opposing ghosts aswell as the sucker punch from gambit

I think that's why he said that

[past spruce]

Considering matches against other Ghosts that sounds pretty solid

[fierce basin]

Cc/knock coverage goes hard into these guys so maybe make slowking colbur berry and t wave if u find urself struggling w val

[past spruce]

But Tera Fighting also keeps the benefit of being a Rocks resist and gives it more muscle in brute-forcing it’s way through Ting-Lu in the case that it has to do that

Also, Assault Vest Samurott already helps in the opposing Ghost matchup

[fierce basin]

Id prob run lefties over boots on ur ghold but I guess boots r fine they r just a plague

[nimble summit]

what move should i remove for twave then

[fierce basin]

U can keep it how it is if u prefer. I was just giving the reasoning for tera dark cause the other guy didnt

[past spruce]

I know. If my team wasn’t already fairly sturdy against Ghosts then Tera Dark seems like a fitting choice

[fierce basin]

Actually u can just tera ur ghold I guess and you'd be fine, I understand you want all 4 of those moves it was just what I noticed when I looked at ur 6

[past spruce]

But since H-Samurott even just existing (even before the opponent realizes it’s Assault Vest) pressures Ghosts a lot, Tera Fighting seems best for the team

[nimble summit]

thats fine

i think having status is useful tho

i like lefties on gholdengo as well

https://pokepast.es/75a4810bf24016e0

i have no real judgement on the tera types on this team

i stole them all off of smogon

are they fine?

[fierce basin]

Do water on garg so you don't lose to rain
Dark on samu prob cause you spam ceaseless
Ghold can run whatever id prob make it dark like I said to the other guy esp since u don't even have focus blast. So u resist shadow ball aswell as sucker
Maybe steel on tusk to switch resist flying/fairy/psychic that you'd normally be weak to. I like booster over lefties on offensive tusk but u can do whatever, lets you spin on more stuff
Dragon on bax is fine
Slowking is p flexible I prob wouldn't make it rocks weak I guess water or fairy one of the default broken types

@nimble summit

Gl

[nimble summit]

thanks mate

[fierce basin]

Oh and if you struggle with no earthquake switchin you can swap tusk for lando

I guess

[nimble summit]

i have no idea how to play this team

but ill just play a bit and find out

[fierce basin]

Cause rn tusk just clicks eq

[nimble summit]

im decent at figuring it out

im like 1600 in randbats

but havent played ou this gen

thanks for your help mate

appreciate it

[nimble summit]

it really does

i have no ground immunities

is lando for tusk the go?

[fierce basin]

that was how i thought to keep the team relatively similar but with a ground immunity

but you might just get ice spinnered

prob put grass knot on the lando

[nimble summit]

ok

what lando set tho

how do i do the evs

[fierce basin]

well it would be diff than the tusk but if you wanted to you could make the lando phys def and make the slowking galar calm again

Landorus (Landorus-Therian) (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Grass Knot

smth like this

4th w.e

i guess u could make it taunt

[nocturne dagger]

but then you have no hazard removal

with cb bax

[fierce basin]

yeah

i was thinking how he loses spin

fuck it slap on braindead boots ace

lose harder to quake

or zapdos over ghold and leave tusk

or enam over ghold

or enam over samu

[nimble summit]

ill figure it out

thanks mate

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/fd9185b11488124b getting back into team building so lil lost

im thinking lk over ih on gambit but idk

[spiral fable]

i would recommend ddance boots bax over lo sd because you will be very easily chipped down with the lo set

i think you handle gambit fine already and don't need low kick

this team seems like it'll struggle heavily against rain though, as your only water resist is bax which as previously stated gets very easily chipped down

[umbral adder]

when i make teams i always struggle with water resists this gen

maybe turn this into like a spikestack with hrott instead?

[spiral fable]

hrott doesn't really solve your issue of a lack of water resists

basculegion still folds you in rain and greninja packs grass knot

[umbral adder]

true yeah

hearing that makes me wanna start over with this team

who are decent rain counters beside like clod

cuz i dont like using clod

[spiral fable]

wash/zap

i was thinking maybe zap over moltres but

idk moltres is pretty useful here

a pivot would be nice for your team here as well but once again i cant really think of a mon to drop

[umbral adder]

yeah imma start over using washtom ill be back

[spiral fable]

aight

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/30cb07fc41c1f5e9 thinkin this so far

realized i have wrong tera on tusk my b that should be water

[spiral fable]

uh i would rec specs enamorus over valiant

[umbral adder]

alr

tera fairy or steel?

[spiral fable]

enamorus?

fairy for offensive

[umbral adder]

ok

anything else

cuz this team looks kinda

predictable

[spiral fable]

a 6th mon would be nice

[umbral adder]

i mean yeah

using scarf dengo atm its ok

not a huge fan but its workin

[barren escarp]

idk what i was going with but i made a team
https://pokepast.es/f9fedf268df32246

how is it?

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[barren escarp]

might switch glim for heatran

[nimble summit]

the team i built earlier crumbles against ground spam

so im tryna build a team around the core of tusk and moltres

but have no idea what else to adde

or even which set on tusk to run

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/4903a3d5578e6501

Val + Bax

Ended up with nice synergy (I think) however I don't know if I've built good synergy since I'm inexperienced in teambuilding

[nimble summit]

this is literally my second team this gen mate

dw

[barren escarp]

rotom wash

[nimble summit]

ok

[weak verge]

https://pokepast.es/4e655cfce30e6d92

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[weak verge]

This is an attempt at a TSS style team with the only tyranitar set that has some good matchups in ou (and it also hits 72.7% of the dex super effectively lol)

[barren escarp]

this is getting drowned out

[nocturne dagger]

you have no breaking power

glimm is only good on HO which that team is not

[barren escarp]

that's why i switched it

[nocturne dagger]

can you post the updated team

[spiral fable]

Glimmora really doesn’t fit here, you have no breaking power and your only hazard remover is a suicide lead

[barren escarp]

eyah

i swapped it with heatran

[spiral fable]

I would recommend running bulky ace with wisp, specs enamorus is generally better than specs Val, and two choice locked mons on the team isn’t ideal so I would swap banded bax for ddance

[spiral fable]

I’m not sure that fixes your problems of lack of breaking power and no hazard removal

[barren escarp]

what's breaking power?

[spiral fable]

Like immediate power

[fierce basin]

None of ur guys r strong coming out

[barren escarp]

hm

[fierce basin]

If you remove glimm (which you should cause sash makes no sense on non offense) u also have no removal or hazards. Maybe add a cinderace w court change if you're going to forego hazards

[barren escarp]

what do i change then?

[upper maple]

Alright thanks what archetype is the team after your changes?

[spiral fable]

I mean it’s still offense

Leans more bulky than hyper ig

[fierce basin]

Id prob put specs on pult and put booster on sandy shocks

[upper maple]

What's a way to know what archetype the team you've made is?

[fierce basin]

Team gets fucked up by bax so maybe iron defense corv to go w the b press

[barren escarp]

do i make cinderace bulky or no?

[spiral fable]

It’s just general what’s the goal of this team? If it’s overwhelming offense, that’s ho
If it’s a lot of offense but also some pivots/defensive mons that’s usually bulky
Balance is a balance of offense and defense
Defensive teams are a lot of walls but maybe one or two breakers
And then of course stall with 5-6 defensive mons and maybe 1 utility

[barren escarp]

what does it fulfill atm?

[upper maple]

Ight thanks

[fierce basin]

Yeah prob the hp invest set w like wisp turn court change n pyro

[barren escarp]

all of them have some sort of switch out move

here it is rnhttps://pokepast.es/fb9aa20e186e267f

so how is it?

[spiral fable]

its better but like spidget said bax is a serious problem

[barren escarp]

well

what do i do

[spiral fable]

iron defense corv

[barren escarp]

replace brave bird?

[spiral fable]

yeah

[fierce basin]

Yeah I think u need id corv to be less weak to bax

Otherwise it's p tough

[spiral fable]

ttar just isn't usable in ou rn, scizor isn't much better

you have no immediate power

tusk should run ground stab so drop ice spinner

i'm not sure clod fits on this team either

[weak verge]

I understand ttar, but why scizor? it seems like a good slow bulky pivot that's better at defogging than corv thanks to technician thief to deal with ghold (to my untrained eyes)

[spiral fable]

its just too slow, way too easily chipped, doens't have a good matchup into the common hazard setters of the tier

[barren escarp]

i just did a pretty good match i think

#comp-general message

with the team yall helped me with

thanks btw

[nocturne dagger]

maybe drop t bolt for rocks on shocks

you want hazards on a voltturn team

and also make rotom spdef considering you already have corv for physical attackers

[autumn igloo]

Any advice will help entering an ou tour on a discord server

https://pokepast.es/b89208908163e70d

[forest magnet]

team is too passive, i suggest dropping rotom wash, and skeledirge

for offensive mons that benifit from hazards

swap muscle band on breloom for loaded dice

also really unviable set on dragapult

wait sctrach all of that

idk what style this is is mainly going for, so i'll just assume its like hazard stack balance.

I would give you a pokepaste of the changes, but i'm on a shitty chromebook rn

i'll do it when i get home, sorry

[autumn igloo]

I appreciate it

Honestly was trying to build a team around Pault

[weary crypt]

https://pokepast.es/2225d0e106299161

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[fallow crag]

I gotta ask whenever we get teams like this

[fallow crag]

If you’re familiar with the metagame or not

Cause obviously yeh grafaiai ain’t viable in the slightest

And that hoopa set as well

[forest magnet]

tbh if you want a rlly solid team there are like samples

i'll just refer u to one of them

https://pokepast.es/91dfb2c0223d272c

[cinder valve]

is this team fine

[nocturne dagger]

you need to post the moves and items and shit

[weary crypt]

Yourewrong

Grafaiai is a meme pick yeah but AV mixed hoopa is super good

[weary crypt]

Also grafaiai does have a slight niche encoring stuff into setup moves

Its cheese but it works sometimes

[nocturne dagger]

it can’t encore the best setup sweeper in the tier

[fallow crag]

Those evs and moves specifically

[weary crypt]

Nope its a good set

[fallow crag]

Av is not bad

Dark pulse is bad

[nocturne dagger]

you already have knock off you don’t need a significantly worse dark move

[stoic leaf]

https://pokepast.es/129626c5aeff3e79 any tips

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[forest magnet]

well there are alot of unviables on this team, grass type is really strong vs ur team

like triple ground is really a tough core to deal w

[forest magnet]

kinda hard to find a direction to rate w

[weak verge]

This is probably my most conventional team yet, I think it seems ok?

Game plan is set/keep hazards -> force switches

Deals with walls by tricking choice scarfs on them

(posted as an image because it seems more convenient to review, do let me know if pokepaste is better)

[west harbor]

you should use pokepaste in future - if you scroll down below your last pokemon there’s a button that says upload to pokepaste, you can click that and then copy the link

[weak verge]

Oh yeah I know, just thought this might be more convenient for people here since they wouldn't have to open a link

Noted though

[west harbor]

it’s actually less convenient because it means we can’t copy and paste your team into our builders if we wanted to submit changes

it’s also a lot easier to visualise on pokepaste

[weak verge]

Ah makes sense

[west harbor]

also means i’d have to keep scrolling up instead of having 2 tabs

[weak verge]

https://pokepast.es/221813d23fdc0d5b

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[weak verge]

Here's the link for it

[west harbor]

in terms of this team, i think you’re going for a hyper offense build, which is pretty solid rn. the biggest thing though is hyper offense is a playstyle where you bring in one sweeper after another and rarely switch around (unless you Have to)

this team won’t be able to accomplish that because you have 3 choice locked mons that will be forced out because they can’t switch moves, and if they’re forced out you have to switch around and take unnecessary damage on your other sweepers

what i’d suggest is making roaring moon a dragon dance set (i don’t think moon is really that good rn either but if you wanted to use it it’s workable), making gholdengo an offensive np set instead of scarf (to switch moves), changing meowscarada -> kingambit for the ability to win late-game with overlord boosts, and removing rotom and replacing it with another offensive sweeper that can keep momentum up

https://pokepast.es/0b537be978da9f55
this is an option, i changed the valiant set around too just because the 3 attacks set you have can be kinda underwhelming without a boost. if you like dbond tho you can try that over encore

last slot is also flexible if you have other mons you wanna use

[weak verge]

Hm, the main idea was that I keep forcing my opponent to switch while maintaining momentum and chipping them with the volt/turns. Would something like that be more feasible with the support of an offensive spinner? Or is this playstyle just not suited to HO and I need bulky pivots instead?

[west harbor]

volt turn is also a workable style but you need bulkier pivots that you can switch into

[weak verge]

That does make sense

[west harbor]

when you’re forcing yourself out a lot without bulkier pivots, it means that your offensive wincons have to take extra damage

so it’s a lot harder to offensively pressure opponents when you’re on the back foot taking a ton of damage

if you want pivoting the very common glowking + zapdos core on bulky offenses gives you that

sometimes + cinderace too

[weak verge]

I think I'll try to make a team based on that style instead

That does sound fun yeah, glowing was my first thought too

I assume glimmora (or another suicide lead) is probably not a good fit for such teams?

[west harbor]

dedicated leads are best for offense yeah so if you’re going bulkier you don’t need one

[weak verge]

makes sense

[steep garden]

https://pokepast.es/d46006d26108abdf last pre dlc team, thoughts?

[ivory willow]

Volt turn more fpr BO than HO

[ivory willow]

Yea I love Zap, Glow, Ace

[west harbor]

yea exactly, they’re 2 completely different playstyles

both are good but you can’t really merge them together

[ivory willow]

Zap can mess up a lotta mons and beats most common Ground Great Tusk, then you volt with impunity

[weak verge]

Gotcha

I'm curious about hazard stacking and Ace, I assume you want it for things other than court change if you have hazards in the team? Or do you just not use it in teams with hazards?

[ivory willow]

I don really use hazard on team

[weak verge]

Makes sense

[ivory willow]

But yea wouldn ise Ace if you gonna giga stack hazard

Take advantage of Gholdengo

[weak verge]

So basically there's better options if you don't want court change specifically

Definitely

[ivory willow]

Yea ace decent check to Gambit too if you Will O him

[weak verge]

Ok ok

[ivory willow]

Only issue is Clod often giga hard to kill

But Great Tusk help

[weak verge]

hm, great tusk perhaps with an eject pack might be a good fit for such a team

I liked it last time I used it in one

[steep garden]

Bump

[west harbor]

i think the main thing with this is the dragapult mu is kinda shaky - spdef tran can switch in a couple times / samurott can revenge it but it’s not really sturdy counterplay especially for specs

id recommend kingambit > samurott bc it can switch into everything that’s not flamethrower (which is very hard to click vs your team when you have spdef heatran)

id also recommend going your own specs pult over gholdengo to give you more breaking power without relying on setup + a fast mon now you’ve lost your scarf mon

something minor is going rocks on heatran so you can free up a moveslot on tusk but if wisp + protect works for you then it’s not a necessary change

[steep garden]

Thanks I like these changes, we will see how testing goes for wisp t tran Vs terra rocks ran

[west harbor]

oh no i don’t mean tera rock

i mean drop protect or wisp for stealth rock

[steep garden]

Oh I mean grass terra with blast and stealth rocks 😂

Ms, tb, SR and ep

[west harbor]

that’s an option too yea

[steep garden]

Be funny if I get to run shaymin next week lol

[weak verge]

So, I'm trying to make a volt turn + hazards bulky offense team, and I am really not sure what I should add as the final pokemon.

I feel like kindambit is what I truly need, but I actually hate playing with it.. is there anything else I should use? (And before that, does the team's core seem to work? I think I like it)

https://pokepast.es/e37e89c062252f17

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[weak verge]

I've been thinking of glowking or alolan muk, but at the same time I think those options may be too passive, perhaps it needs something for speed control?

[ivory willow]

Maybe Gargnacl

Curse Eq set

[weak verge]

hm perhaps

[ivory willow]

And maybe do Band Meow rather than HDB

hit giga hard

Flower trick sometime sweep team

Do like Band with KO, Uturn, Flower Trick and Tera Rock

No one expect that so bring in bird and die

[forest magnet]

you forgot tera types and stuff, so i added them for you and gave the last member of the team https://pokepast.es/3cb48cac148116a1

some setup sweeper is good on this slot, I gave kingambit as it check the things that your team has problems w

https://pokepast.es/283bc6150ccc9104

also a really solid team similar to yours, features band meow is you want to use something more bulky

[ivory willow]

Spdef Zap and Dozo 👀

[nocturne dagger]

what does tera rock meow do

oh wait

i didn’t see the tera blast nvm

[weak verge]

I like those, thanks

[barren escarp]

made a bulky offense (?) team
https://pokepast.es/39a8c439ebe887ea

is it any good?

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[barren escarp]

hm

i need hazard removal

[west harbor]

if you’re going for bulky offense, this is a lot more passive than you’d want imo

what you could do is go tusk over ting-lu because it gives you the removal you’re looking for + also has a lot more offensive pressure and knock while keeping a sucker resist

you could also consider glowking over pex to make the team less passive, it gives you pivoting with chilly reception as well so that synergies nicely with uturn molt - pex is fine if you rly wanna keep it for the water resist but its overall passivity can hurt

finally i’d suggest specs dragapult over gholdengo so you have an immediate breaker that doesn’t rely on setup to do anything + it also provides some speed to your team

[barren escarp]

alright

thanks!

[west harbor]

if you decide to use glowking over pex you should go tera water to help vs wake

[barren escarp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1939236028-iboy4hijf7cyno8ke15gfydamkw53crpw
just did a match

i lve this team

[barren escarp]

did i do good btw?

[west harbor]

kingambit is your ghold answer and can switch in a few times (especially if running leftovers) so you don’t necessarily need to keep it at 100% unless you need hp on it to win the game

[spiral fable]

garg sac was unnecessary imo and you almost sacced gking as well

[heady owl]

I'm new to playing anything other than randoms, can I have some help with my team? https://pokepast.es/83f3ce1fbce509bd

It's doing OK but I feel like it's missing something

[west harbor]

is there anything specific you were trying to build around?

[heady owl]

Sun

[fierce basin]

you have some unviable sets and no tera types. azu doesnt need aqua tail or body slam, youll benefit way more from aqua jet for priority and ice spinner so you arent walled by amoonguss
instead of running offensive moltres with sunny day/air slash, I think you should try bold with roost/uturn.
Instead of running both discharge and tbolt on sandy shocks, you could run terablast ice/fairy. I also think you could benefit from booster energy on shocks because you don't have much speed control.
Great tusk I think you could also make booster to make sure you can get your spin off

if you want to build around sun I'd go for a setter like torkoal over manual sun w moltres

especially since moltres needs boots to function and it cant have heat rock to boost your sun turns

[heady owl]

I tried torkoal but it kept getting oneshot

[west harbor]

manual sun isn’t viable in any way

if you want a sun team you mind have to commit to using it

[west harbor]

this is a pretty popular sun build you could try https://pokepast.es/26ac391dfdfdf9c8

[autumn igloo]

Advice on rain team

https://pokepast.es/c8782c1adea96886

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[spiral fable]

Run choice band on legion, since you basically ko or nearly ko everything under rain, drop wash for battle bond greninja you don’t need a slow bulky pivot for rain and it just burns precious rain turns

Personally I would run whirlwind over ruination on ting Lu to prevent set up sweepers abusing it, and maybe an item like red card or rocky helmet since you don’t really need longevity on it anyways

I would also switch out amoongus for gambit, which can use rain a lot better, offer a strong offensive option outside of rain, and can easily clean up weakened teams from the rain assault

[autumn igloo]

https://pokepast.es/0ea6039693ff1508 I was making the changes after a battle or two and respect supposed to psychic fangs

[autumn igloo]

Would ting Lu be better or clod

[forest magnet]

keep clod, it helps vs other rain teams

[autumn igloo]

Ok and respect replaced with liquidation

[forest magnet]

buddy you can't use last respects

[autumn igloo]

I know I’m meant to put liquidation I copied a different format basc I had

It’s banned in ou

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/fef15cb6344f4cb9

i just changed kingambit's set and also swapped some moves on bascu

p good alr

[autumn igloo]

Thankyou I really appreciate it

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/eaee6d033f58cffd

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/022fc421e7d49223

this team is pretty much this sample team, i think you would be better off with this

Cinderace is kinda counter intuitive bc you are going to be giving yourself spikes (the ones you setup yourself)

and that turn kinda is a momemtum sink

[weak verge]

https://pokepast.es/9c9232a8f3a5c676

Made this BO volt turn team last night and it immediately got me 200 points up the ladder (1300->1500, so pretty low still lol), but i don't know if that's because it's good or because I just fell too low trying random shit before

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[weak verge]

Any thoughts?

It's also the first team I tried where ttar actually feels great in, forces many switches, especially if you get a good roll on who gets dragon tailed in

Lando and tusk feel like the weakest links here but perhaps it's because they're taking mainly a support role? + they both check gambit/opposing tusks

Also, I think I'd like a spiker, but I don't really see how I can fit one

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/10388c75b0c043b3 can someone rmt

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[forest magnet]

@spiral fable

oh yeahhh

[spiral fable]

@forest magnet I’ll take aev’s

[spiral fable]

Both ttar and scizor aren’t really good in ou

[weak verge]

I do remember you saying that, but they're really working for me in that team, and even if I were to replace them, I'm not sure what could fill their roles

[forest magnet]

k

[spiral fable]

If you wanted a bulky special wall that can still annoy the enemy team Garg is always an option

[weak verge]

that's true but it's extremely passive comparatively

[spiral fable]

Salt cure is the biggest annoyance in the tier and it’s curse set isn’t passive

[weak verge]

• no dragon tail which is huge for how ttar plays in this team

[spiral fable]

I don’t see why you need a phaser, especially since ttar gets folded by most set up sweepers

[weak verge]

yeah but if you're not switching into something afraid of salt cure there's not much reason for them to switch and you lose your momentum

oh I'm not using it for phasing, I'm using it when I know they have to switch

to add chip damage from tail + rocks

[spiral fable]

The problem is ttar doesn’t force out a lot of switches

[weak verge]

that really hasn't been my experience with it tbh, there aren't many special attackers that want to stay in

like, even non-specs* wake's hydro steam is only a possible 2hko, and valiant's aura sphere is also a 2hko

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/e43eafc5f6697b28

[spiral fable]

I mean sure you can force out some special attackers but ttar gets chipped down extremely fast

[forest magnet]

I swapped wash for rotom, swapped dozo for heatran to keep the ice resist and also to keep setup in check.

[weak verge]

yeah sure, but it forces more chip damage on the enemy team than it takes

[forest magnet]

i made zapdos spd, to better check things like wake and gholdengo

also garg is not full phys def for the wake matchup too

[spiral fable]

Does it? Most special attackers pack super effective coverage/stab for ttar, and it’s basically dead weight against the physical attackers

[forest magnet]

the other half of the time, you are going to be letting things like bax, great tusk, meow

[forest magnet]

yeah but garg can heal back that damage

• betters the stall mu

and salt cure also forces switches

[weak verge]

hm, the recovery actually is indeed something that would be very useful there

[spiral fable]

Also scizor is similarly bad in ou, gholdengo completely sits on it and you really don’t want that, if you want a uturner you could run bulky cinderace or if you want to go more frail meow

[weak verge]

honestly ghold hasn't been an issue on this team in the slightest tbh, which is why I gave scizor trailblaze instead of thief (which has a huge chance to ohko ghold after rocks)

[forest magnet]

bro idk what you smokin

[weak verge]

meow seemed nice thanks to spikes, but idk I guess I'm just using it too recklessly cause it always dies on me before getting good value

[forest magnet]

but trailblaze can ohko

a gholdengo

asfter rocks

[weak verge]

thief can lol

not trailblaze

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/1f1b0d0e86a9e1f3

alr i redid you team, swapped ttar for garg

better defensive wall that helps chip down things, swapped wash for pex for a better water resist as the rain matchup is pretty tough

corv is in place of lando so you aren't running double ground as the double ice and water weakness is very tough

also for more defog support

[weak verge]

hm, I do like the pex

[forest magnet]

alr i can explain anything else if needed

[weak verge]

I think I understand the team

[spiral fable]

why does only the pex have a nickname

this is important knowledge @forest magnet explain yourself

[forest magnet]

um..

||i like stall||

[spiral fable]

average big stall enjoyer smh

[forest magnet]

alr, hope this helped

[weak verge]

it did I think, though honestly the change I'm most fond of is the corv tbh lol

[real willow]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290

[tepid hearth]

mb didnt see

[thin gorge]

tysm

how do i counter ting lu??

[forest magnet]

setup on it w kingambit and try to knock off leftovers w tusk

[thin gorge]

ok

whirlwind is kinda annoying though ;-;

[barren escarp]

is there any way i can make this team better?
https://pokepast.es/617a8da12d991329

[spiral fable]

i mean it looks fine for the most part, only thing i can really think of is if valiant can get in and get a sd off

you'll have to watch out with garg, since its the only mon it can switch in on

but once it gets in it ohkos all of your mons except moltres, who can take a hit but dies in two hits to knock

similarly bax is another threat, since moltres can't touch it, but unlike val it can only 2hko your mons

still a major threat of course, and nothing wants to switch in on it, but less of a "snowball through your entire team" like val is

either way, you could try running physically defensive tusk

[barren escarp]

ceruledge just screwed my team up

[spiral fable]

lol

yeah ig this team has a bad edge matchup but also like idk who would run edge in ou

[barren escarp]

this team is bad agaisnt non meta

[spiral fable]

i mean non meta is non meta for a reason as you climb higher you wont run into those wack teams

[barren escarp]

im in like

1150

[spiral fable]

yeah thats just the low ladder experience

if you're really worried about the edge matchup you can slot brave bird on moltres but i really dont think thats necessary and the current moveset is much better

[thin gorge]

is it a good idea to make glowking more sp.def invested also what does sp.def zapdos provide checks to here

[forest magnet]

no i would advise to keep the ev spread at it rn

spd zap covers enam

spd is just general cheks

*checks

like pult

also you can swap t wave for discharge if you need more damage

[plain tapir]

https://pokepast.es/03d68b2d1d32628e

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[green citrus]

Why donphan

[plain tapir]

To be fair tusk does fit now, only went donphan so I wasn't getting done over but fairy types

I've changed Sneasler to tera fire and just figuring out what build for tusk

[placid remnant]

Donphan is weak to special attacks anyway

Tusk is just better.

[strange kayak]

https://pokepast.es/0a8a95c7cd2a0375

[gilded crane]

idk what i tried to do here

https://pokepast.es/f5faf08ace03bc39

[surreal bloom]

identity crisis

[west harbor]

i think the main thing with this team is i can’t really tell what it’s trying to be - you have the tools to make a terrain offense (rilla, sneasler, molt) but the mons supporting it can’t really continue to keep that offensive pressure up like donphan + rotom. donphan especially is completely outclassed by tusk and having ice spinner is suboptimal because you’ll remove your own terrain

here’s what i’d recommend https://pokepast.es/54b97105843bf206 - i changed the rilla set so you have more turns to take advantage of terrain and bring your setup mons in. i went tusk > donphan because it’s completely outclassed, headlong rush > eq also isn’t weakened by terrain so you can still be full power

i gave you hatterene as another setup mon and with cm + grassy seed + recovery when terrain is up it’s very difficult to kill so when its checks are removed it can straight up just win games for you

i went for grassy seed on moltres to synergise better with the grassy terrain team style - you can take more physical hits with this and set up on physical mons. i also changed sneaker’s set to shadow claw so you’re no longer relying on having to tera to hit gholdengo - moltres relies on tera too much so a second tera reliant mon won’t help you much

[west harbor]

id say this is pretty solid as is with a common zap+tusk+gking core thatll rarely let you down. for small changes i’d suggest crunch > tera blast on zamazenta bc it means you can hit ghold without needing to tera and you can hit pult too

also consider running some speed on zap too - if you hit 301 speed you outspeed tusk so you’re a lot more reliable vs it

[west harbor]

what type of team are you going for here? it’s merging a few playstyles like screens with pult + bd ches and then bulky pivots in glowking and scream tail that will end up killing momentum and wasting screens turns

chesnaught as a pick also isn’t really ideal bc it’s walled by ghold

id suggest taking a look at the sample teams https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/ and trying one out to give you a better understanding of what kind of team style you’re looking to build

[strange kayak]

I see
Thank You
Would you recommend dropping Defense in this case?

[west harbor]

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Timid Nature

• Roost
• Volt Switch
• Hurricane
• Discharge

[strange kayak]

Thank you 🫀

Also, quick question, do you believe I should change Zam's Tera to Dark?

I have Fire mostly for Fairies and Burn immunity (Moltres has been a problem)

[west harbor]

you could, or you could try a different defensive tera

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/zamazenta/ has 3 + explanations on the idef set

[strange kayak]

I see
I'll try them out and adapt accordingly, Thank You

[west harbor]

np - if you’re ever stuck on sets, the dex/sample sets is alway the best way to go

[balmy crown]

https://pokepast.es/08f31e5b335d9ef5 any tips?

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[barren escarp]

i made a mixed (is it?) team
https://pokepast.es/7663ff4f3f9a322f

how is it?

i didnt know who else to put htere after bax

[surreal bloom]

What is mixed

[barren escarp]

i dont know

😭

[surreal bloom]

Looks like offense to me

[barren escarp]

i dont know ok 😭

[surreal bloom]

it’s offense!

[barren escarp]

so how is it ?

[forest magnet]

swap zama for slowking g, make val booster physical and swap iron head for t blast and I made cress phys def too.

https://pokepast.es/9cf4ae0bd5b8fdf8

[west harbor]

id say azu is the weak link here - you’re not really gonna have many opportunities to set up bd and it doesn’t offer you much defensively because you already have valiant as a fairy

[balmy crown]

how come you recommend getting rid of zam?

[west harbor]

you can try sd gambit there

[forest magnet]

because your team is already very weak to things like moltres and zapdos, so you don't want another mon that gets runined by the birds

[balmy crown]

mmm okay 🫡

thanks!

[forest magnet]

np hope it helped

[forest magnet]

this is bulky offence

swap toxic for surf, and swap azu for gambit

tera blast over iron head.

[barren escarp]

i see

thanks !

[barren escarp]

tera fairy or flying?

[forest magnet]

tera fairy

[barren escarp]

alr thank you

[drowsy patrol]

https://pokepast.es/32bf3d91806b2fa8 what improvements can i make?

[knotty ginkgo]

https://pokepast.es/1ec876c85f3083d1 I'm trying to create a Garchomp team and I think that I like these mons but I'm not sure about the sets

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[spiral fable]

uh first of all you're missing sets for valiant and gambit lol

[knotty ginkgo]

Yeah, I just don't know what to run on them

[spiral fable]

alright well first of all dirge kinda sucks in ou

its outclassed by dozo as a physical unaware wall

for gambit, i would ran standard sd

and i would honestly swap val for specs enamorus since you're lacking in immediate power and you already have enough physical attackers

[knotty ginkgo]

Is Specs Enamorus much better than Specs Valiant?

[spiral fable]

yes

[knotty ginkgo]

Garchomp analysis mentions it as a great partner, ig it's very outdated

[knotty ginkgo]

kk

Would Dozo be good in that type of team tho?

[spiral fable]

not really, i would honestly use like wash for a slow pivot

[knotty ginkgo]

Okay thanks

What's standard sd gambit?

This?
Kingambit @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 144 Spe
Tera Type: Flying
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Iron Head
• Kowtow Cleave
• Sucker Punch

Or 252 Spe?

[barren escarp]

is there any way i could make this team better?
https://pokepast.es/b0772315e2ae8b49

[spiral fable]

yeah

[spiral fable]

your team is really similar to this sample team
https://pokepast.es/2d0efb84b0b0c956
so i would recommend running this

[barren escarp]

tbh

i like running my own teams

[spiral fable]

hm

mixed val isn't bad but i would still recommend running scarf enamorus since it's more reliable speed control, and i would drop surf on gking for twave

might want to swap zapdos for moltres as well

[clever hedge]

https://pokepast.es/3a3c6f5428065e4c

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[west harbor]

https://pokepast.es/0350491b21c628c1 fixed up sets a bit - victory dance outclasses sd because it gives you multiple stat boosts (it’s physical qd) + substitute on specs wake is just a wasted moveslot. also changed tusk set to boost speed in sun

zapdos doesn’t really fit on sun because it’s an offensive playstyle and its relative passivity can waste sun turns, so i went with gambit there to give you some more offensive presence and something to win late game if you need. gholdengo i replaced with moth because you keep the speed (you’re actually faster with booster moth) but can switch moves so you’re not forced out a ton wasting sun turns

you can also try vert sun if you wanted too https://pokepast.es/5905666143139486

[clever hedge]

thank you!

[twin horizon]

https://pokepast.es/7908e23ef62f2db4
Fun team I made!

• Poison Jab tera bug kingambit, might switch one of the other moves out. Tera bug is negotiable but still very nice against Tusk
  -Special lando-t that safely 2 shots garg, tusk, and stone edge for Moltres
  -tera grass heatran
  -specs pult
• vest tusk for some extra bulk, rapid spin utility, and a good answer for Sandy shocks
  -specially defensive Moltres deals with all iron valiant variants except for tera electric which I can sucker punch with gambit

Overall I’m around 1500 with this team but I feel like there’s more I can do with it, would love to hear feedback

[spiral fable]

i dont think you need 3 specially defensive mons on your team, you can easily swap tusk for a physically defensive set

i dont see the point of running earth power instead of earthquake on lando t

slot rocks on either tusk or heatran you can pick either would work

you probably want uturn over hurricane on moltres

and i dont see the reason to run tera bug poison jab gambit

if you want set up against tusk, you can easily run tera flying and gain more utility(and a better matchup against moltres and potentially heatran)

if you want fairy killer, you could run iron head and get actual stab

tera bug and poison jab really don't offer you a lot, and gambit basically always runs sucker kowtow sd + a 4th move which i assume youd want to be iron head

@twin horizon forgot to ping oops

o yeah what's the reasoning behind tera dark tusk

[twin horizon]

Tera Ghost pult and Hoopa

[spiral fable]

gambit can switch in on shadow balls and threaten with sucker punch and hoopa runs drain punch anyways

o yeah run bulky gambit btw

[twin horizon]

Gotcha!

[hollow sable]

https://pokepast.es/3a74f623c6f0b08f

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[hollow sable]

Can some one rate

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/3ce53b03aa3bdd6d

swapped sneaser for cinderace, made some small tera changes to pokemon

and also made zapdos spd.

also tera blast on gambit for baiting tusk

[hollow sable]

Oh bet I’ll try this out

[forest magnet]

np ask me if any more explaining is needed

[hollow sable]

Bet

Tbh can’t wait for DLC

This I can use serperior

[forest magnet]

lmao yeah

[hollow sable]

Tried it out

The team is acc pretty good

Didn’t use cinderace much tho

What made you switch that btw

And the zappy Tera to fairy

[forest magnet]

yeah its for dealing w gambit, getting hazards off and fire stab is good support 4 this team

[hollow sable]

Okay bet

[forest magnet]

zap to tera fairy is for gambit and just a good defensive type in gen

[hollow sable]

What ab the wake move set

[hollow sable]

Bet

how well you think this team would do high end of oU

[forest magnet]

good, it counters most meta threats

[hollow sable]

Bet

What team donu use for OU btw

If u mind me asking

[forest magnet]

what team donu use

whats donu @hollow sable

[hollow sable]

Do you*

[forest magnet]

oh

well i use like 5 diff teams while laddering

I keep it secret tho

[hollow sable]

Oh wow

I for you

Got tou*

You

[forest magnet]

but i can give the public ones

[hollow sable]

Sure

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/39be9ddb01b1d7b3

https://pokepast.es/fc65457b60e4c1ed

2 public ones

[hollow sable]

Oh Stall team cool

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/86db7b5e1378423b

[spiral fable]

you seem to be a bit weak on the special side, might want to run a spdef set on either wash or garg
also i would recommend bulky gambit

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/2f1da1329fac0ed2 wasnt a huge fan of using the last team so i made this

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[red citrus]

does anyone have a good team with jaw lock roaring moon? I wanna try it out atleast once

[cold pond]

https://pokepast.es/72eae44077952dc7

Not really sure on Orthworm but he works well enough

[fallow crag]

Talonflame, orthworm, and haxorus are all essentially unviable in the current metagame

I'd suggest taking a peak at the OU VR to get better insight into what to and what not to bring

[spiral fable]

Lmao

[forest magnet]

this is all pre dlc so like yeah

don't rlly bother

i mean you can update them if u want

[vapid hare]

We are so back

[brisk cedar]

There isn't an ou vr

[spiral fable]

There’s a mock vr

[west harbor]

there’s a viability list that’s worth looking at for now but im sure there’ll be one soon

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/53e319ee9deaba8e

@spiral fable

@west harbor

[spiral fable]

?

[forest magnet]

first rate!!

[spiral fable]

huh is the bot down or something

anyways banded dnite no

do not cook

do not pass go

[forest magnet]

shut up i'm at 1700s w it

[spiral fable]

also what does psyshock do on val

[forest magnet]

beat stall

[spiral fable]

with what

[forest magnet]

ok

[spiral fable]

pex eats you up for days

[forest magnet]

what the fuck

[spiral fable]

clodsire is dead in a ditch

blissey cant take that cc anyways

[forest magnet]

there is this tech on ladder

[spiral fable]

there's this coalassoal user on ladder

[forest magnet]

tera fire

dragapult phys

[spiral fable]

ok well they're just mentally insane idk what you want

also like just

cc?

[forest magnet]

i have seen it in like 5 of my matcehs

[spiral fable]

gmatte i have seen the coloassal in 5 of my matches that does not mean he is cooking

[forest magnet]

just call me matte

[spiral fable]

gmatthias the third

[forest magnet]

i added the g bc gm for good morning

[spiral fable]

goodmorningatte

anyways just click cc on the pult you coward

if he comes in on the val you know he's teraing turn one so like

[forest magnet]

wow going vs 1920

[spiral fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest magnet]

oh 1910

we should leave this channel and talk in main gen bc my boss gets angry

[lyric sparrow]

whos your boss

[forest magnet]

i can't tell

[lyric sparrow]

also why ihead>tera blast on the kingambit?

o.o

[upper maple]

https://pokepast.es/7fdbc17f0e3248d1

[spiral fable]

he hates fairies

[upper maple]

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[forest magnet]

bc chomp has one alr

[spiral fable]

hey the bot's alive

neat

ok this team has a horrible matchup into stall

[lyric sparrow]

Your stall MU is impossible and you have little to no speed control essentially

[spiral fable]

oger gets walled by dozo since you dont have power whip blissey + pex walls ghold and the rest of your mons are normally walled by stall

[upper maple]

Mmm

[spiral fable]

whats the point of tera fighting ghold btw

[upper maple]

I'm not used to stall because I play nd

[spiral fable]

and why are you not running offensive tusk

[lyric sparrow]

imo id go sd black glasses tera dark kingambit to salvage the stall mu, scarf hw enamorus for speed control, eboost>hdb on GT with a set of spin/bu/ice spinner/headlong instead of your current

[spiral fable]

since you dont really need spin or boots on a mon that's coming in like once

[lyric sparrow]

this can help greatly vs stall using the tera dark black glasses kingambit, and then eboost speed gt and scarf hw enam can really help in revenge killing a lot of stuff

[barren escarp]

https://pokepast.es/529907833191c2ad
can i get opinions on this team please? 😁

[upper maple]

Do I go max atk spe gambit

[barren escarp]

why's tusk tera ice...

[ruby crest]

Better to boost its ice spinner

[forest magnet]

manaphy over tusk

[barren escarp]

i dont have ice spinner on mine

wb hazard removal?

[lyric sparrow]

last thing as well but with my recommended gt set run tera ice on it

[barren escarp]

i kinda struggle playing around glis or glim

[upper maple]

Ok

[lyric sparrow]

I'd go max speed max attack ada to secure wins vs stall more reliably

idt the spread should matter much tho cus lategame stall is just fucked either way vs black glasses tera dark king

[ruby crest]

Do psychic > skill swap on ribombee make it Tera ghost, and yeah add mana but also do cm enam > moon, make iron moth Tera fairy with gleam > energy ball, and Tera dark in ur gambit

[lyric sparrow]

tbf u could also go tera fighting low kick>ihead on kingambit as well either sets beat stall @upper maple

hope this helps!

[upper maple]

Thanks

[cold pond]

i mean true but i still think flame tailwind support has a place

[barren escarp]

i use skill swap on rib to keep gliscor out and i use energy ball on moth to hit pesky watter types idk about mana i want hazard control and why enam over moon ?

[cold pond]

not a very strong place but it’s definitely there

[ruby crest]

Something to pressure zama, skill swap is whatever especially cause scor can just switchout, most waters hardly want to come in on sludge wave, and u don’t necessarily need hazard control since you will be wanting to preventing other hazards from getting up

[barren escarp]

ohh i see

[upper maple]

Sorry for the ping but this good?
https://pokepast.es/b89531eeb1f05880

[lyric sparrow]

yep!

u could also use power gem over ep on glimm but either works

[upper maple]

Changed ghold to tera ghost

[lyric sparrow]

depends on if u wanna hit zapdos or steels/grounds

gl gl doz

[barren escarp]

what set on mana btw?

[forest magnet]

i would suggest on tera fairy/flying instead of dark, black glasses already 3hkos at 3 fallen

[upper maple]

Actually what tera should I use on ghold?

[barren escarp]

energy ball psychic or ice beam?

[forest magnet]

• oger has knock meaning that dozo will take hazard chip + toxic is those are up

[ruby crest]

Standard tail glow stuff

[upper maple]

Ight

[barren escarp]

alr thanks!

cinerace kinda

ruins this team

not gonna lie

why am i going upa against 5 cinders in a row

[forest magnet]

swap tusk for mana

[barren escarp]

i alr did

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/41134db3c3fa8d75

rate please

[surreal bloom]

cc cind and cbnite looks random here

[lofty thunder]

https://pokepast.es/411f5fa86e484ab0

[forest magnet]

what format u playing?

bc this isn't legal in SV OU

oh doubles ou

[lofty thunder]

What isn’t legal

[forest magnet]

go to rate my team, then scroll untill you see dou rates

[forest magnet]

this channel is for sv ou

not doubles

[lofty thunder]

Ok

[elder forge]

https://pokepast.es/37d9c1af879bd9e2 thinking about my suicide lead and choosing for tera ice or dark on cetitan

is hisuirott a good choice?

[forest magnet]

snow teams are pretty unviable right now, you would want to be using a viel team intsead

https://pokepast.es/482d83dd8b56c328

but if you want to keep the snow team, i just swapped samurott for ogerpon, you mostly want to lead w ninetiales to get viel up as soon as possible and ogerpon helps hit fire types and the other stuff that ice struggles w

[elder forge]

after I get up Veil, what’s gonna be my gameplan then?

and no Trailblaze on Cornerstone?

[forest magnet]

yeah, you get added bulk thanks to veil + sturdy so you pretty much will take a mon out

[forest magnet]

go into a sweeper

[west harbor]

gliscor mu feels pretty shaky (especially toxic sets) because nothing rly threatens it except ice spinner dnite which can be scouted with tect - i think you’d benefit from waterpon > cinderace or zama

glimmora also feels pretty out of place here because it’s not really a hazard lead ho team where you need a dedicated slot + you have court change

i think dd dnite is more consistent than band when protect gliscor is the best mon in the tier

[elder forge]

would it be wise to go max phys def frosmoth or keep it max speed and spa?

[west harbor]

speed + spa imo so you can make the most of it offensively as a qd mon - its physdef is terrible so there’s not much that investment can really fix

you could play around with spreads if you wanted to but simple is good too

[elder forge]

I like running Snowscape on A9 for silly opposing weather shenanigans

[astral crane]

Sunny day a9 for opposing a9s

🔥🔥

[elder forge]

we're making it out of ou with this one 🔥 🔥 🔥

[sly mauve]

Wait this channel is opened back up?

FINALLY!

[elder forge]

does anyone know what the 76 Defense EVs on Cetitan are for?

[astral crane]

K rate this HO

https://pokepast.es/6b6927970e57c4cd

Ignore the names pls

;-;

I needa sum advice outta this

[thin gorge]

https://pokepast.es/1e80b5f874461096 can someone rmt

[fierce basin]

At the very least you should take the special attack invest off ninetales and make it HP, since it's more important for it to live attacks to get up veil. Can also swap blizzard for freeze dry. Also if you're gonna run encore azumarill you probably want to go full speed invest so you can out speed the stuff you want to encore

Maybe cm hatt over pult so you can pretend to have hazard control

Your team looks like it could struggle w pex so options for that are psychic on mana or tbolt on pult

[forest magnet]

swap dozo for cindace and gliscor over tusk

https://pokepast.es/47877e8eb023ce3d

somethign like this

[forest magnet]

cinderace helps with the hazard problem, great tusk is having some problems with hazard removal as gliscor is really common. gliscor is pretty much better than tusk rn, it offers hazard + toxic which is really good

you can swap eq for knock if you want

but you already have knock support from moon + val

hope this helps

[sly mauve]

How does this team look?
https://pokepast.es/48bf47ce49dafb45

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thin gorge]

ok tysm

[forest magnet]

I would suggest swapping ursaluna for a special attacker, you are pretty solid already on the phys side (kingambit + moon). I would suggest iron moth or goldengo, iron moth gives coverage or gholdengo to keep webs up + you can setup w nasty plot

i'll send 2 pastes, the two will have both mons

[thin gorge]

i have a quick question, are there any ideas for a more bulkier core so i can have better switchins in to attackers easier and deal with setups??

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/0154a65bbbce7e2e (moth)
https://pokepast.es/47be53423820a0d1 (gholdengo)

[thin gorge]

i am referring to this team https://pokepast.es/47877e8eb023ce3d

[inland peak]

https://pokepast.es/61ae84872eb4278a any suggestions without me having to change the core of booster mons?

[forest magnet]

I would suggest swapping one of them out, have booster means that you can only really come in once per game (the other times you prob will have a harder time) to attempt a sweep and thats really bad early game especally if you need to crack a team open

would you be alright if we went for something else than moth?

[inland peak]

Yeah that makes sense

[forest magnet]

alr cool

lemme make some changes

[inland peak]

kk preciate it

[inland peak]

@ me when ur done or dm

[forest magnet]

wait

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/67ec7bfa4bd6a6c8

alr done

swapped val set for a calm mind set, just has close combat for dealing with heatran and blissey (if not setup)

but you can always swap cc for thunderbolt if you want, made gholdengo a bit more bulky, give better support in general, swapped moth for cerulege, gives double ghost that hits on both sides of the spectrum adds a form of priority

[inland peak]

Thanks I used to have rilla as a form of priority ceruledge is underatted too

Gonna see how Vali set plays and if I need to switch cc for thunderbolt but apreciate you for not blowing up my team and actually helping

[forest magnet]

yeah hope it helps

[violet fog]

https://pokepast.es/7d0fbff6feec6fc8
I'm pretty new but I'd appreciate any feedback on the team I've built.
Thanks,

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[barren escarp]

i tried making a voltturn team
https://pokepast.es/63dc9cb0b55969cc

is it correct?

and if it is how can i make it better

[forest magnet]

there is no correct team, but we always improve it to better suit the meta

[barren escarp]

well is it viable ?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/31075278c05f1d80

I swapped corv for zapdos, corv is a bit too passive on this team meaning that things can setup easily and your team doesn't do vs that too well. (mostly getting outsped) + cinder already acts as realiable hazard removal. Zapdos can help w this with its higher speed tier + ability to spread para to help lower the speed of other mons

also i swapped glowking's set for an av set

this is because you want glowking to be bulkier to take hits better as well as its sheer bulk will force alot of switches instead of u switching out

[barren escarp]

ooh thanks!

[forest magnet]

yeah hope it helps

[forest magnet]

oh also changed zama's set for a boots 4 attack set so u aren't always choice locked

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/aa1fd8503b51f492

just swapped the slowking evs a bit, they are pretty outdated, swapped toxapex for alomaloa to take away a ground weak as well as adding more strgenth to your phycial defence core. I swapped grenenja for boots iron val, it can come in multiple times a game to get good hits off like knock off to support your teammaes, (eg removal of choice items), made dragapult choice banded, to deal more damage which your team needs as it was lacking a breaker

also pairs well with future sight

hope this helps, feel free to ask if u have any more questions

[violet fog]

Thanks a ton and I appeaciate the explanations, I'll give this a shot

[vernal prism]

https://pokepast.es/a5c77eb9e1b37b4c anyone have thoughts on how I can improve my iron moth matchup? I'm trying to play around with scarf glim, but iron moth kinda destroys this team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

o yeah i saw this on the ou discord server

lemme get some fixes 4 u

[spiral fable]

and then we never heard from him agian

[upper maple]

Fr just gone

[forest magnet]

oh shit

[forest magnet]

well what style of team u going for?

ho or balance

i see more balance but am unsure

[vernal prism]

Def balance

[forest magnet]

k

[muted dirge]

https://pokepast.es/3c4dfeb67b13b84f Hi

[spiral fable]

ceruledge sucks in ou drop it

don't run a suicide lead if your team isn't full ho

do you want to go ho or bo

[muted dirge]

ok I will just drop Tusk for a poison type

[spiral fable]

?

i meant hamurott

[muted dirge]

I need something to deal with hazards, I mean toxic spikes

Since i'm probably gonna run into glimmora a few times

[spiral fable]

ok hold on

do you want to go ho or bo

[muted dirge]

ho

[spiral fable]

ok, why not run lead glimmora

[muted dirge]

Hmm fair enough, I thought I would be fine with Hamurott at first

[spiral fable]

also if you want ho drop greninja drop ceruledge drop zapdos

[spiral fable]

hamurott fell off a cliff crying

if you want to run tusk that's fine but run the booster bu offensive set

[muted dirge]

what wrong with greninja on HO

[spiral fable]

just better options imo

doesn't have the immediate power or set up opportunity other mons have

if you want to run ho just run lead glimmora
I would recommend swapping out greninja for booster moth/val, edge for waterpon/zamazenta, and another special ho mon like enamorus both moth and val

[wanton root]

https://pokepast.es/00db8f5f008d035c @forest magnet

[forest magnet]

@spiral fable

can u do this one

[spiral fable]

1984

[forest magnet]

plweasee

[spiral fable]

no pay me 5 bucks

[ruby crest]

You can 2 apples instead

[spiral fable]

deal

[spiral fable]

frankly scarf glim kinda sucks and you still get outsped by booster speed moth, what you could do is run ting lu

you could also drop gliscor for gholdengo if you plan to run ting lu

[umbral adder]

https://pokepast.es/a6f52d15fde3511d thinking of going flash cannon on empoleon and lowkick on gambit.

i also kinda want hazard control but idk how imma fit that with this

[forest magnet]

I mean this team seems pretty standard, the only suggestions i can really make is discharge over heat wave, and gliscor over lando (just use the standard defensive set).

p solid team alr, just need to play well

[forest magnet]

we can easily turn this team into boots spam, meaning that you don't need hazard removal :)

gliscor is a good knock off asorber meaning that you will (mostly) be immune to hazards. I swapped oger for meow, offers better speed control as well as a stronger knock off, made some minor changes to sets, like roar over srocks on empo and discharge over heat wave on zapdos. also made gholdengo spd for more stgreth

paste of changes: https://pokepast.es/6df3e011cb696529

giggler (Gliscor) (F) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 236 Def / 24 Spe
Impish Nature

• Protect
• Spikes
• Toxic
• Earthquake

no it would just be this set

[wanton root]

Ok yea sorry misread

[forest magnet]

all good

[wanton root]

Is it standard to have hazard setters on cc cinder teams

Or specifically spikers

[wet cape]

https://pokepast.es/247b0fb0f9ae53bb

Sneasler/Weavile Balance

[forest magnet]

no, its just there for utility, you force them to defog hazards or u swap

but i mean u can just swap cinder for clefable if you want too

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Stealth Rock / Thunder Wave
• Moonblast
• Wish
• Protect

[wanton root]

True

Thanks for the help

[vernal prism]

For ting, would it be double hazards, and for gholdengo, what type of set for it?

[spiral fable]

Ghold it’s up to you if you want to run a bulkier team or run a more offensive set

Hell you could run scarf for speed control

[vernal prism]

That's honestly what I'm leaning towards

[spiral fable]

I would recommend either scarf or balloon but that’s up to you honestly

For ting lu both double and single hazard works see if you’re struggling with only eq + ruination/whirlwind

[forest magnet]

^ i would suggest balloon

[rain gyro]

https://pokepast.es/1a107bc88ff27aac

sun

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @west harbor, @forest magnet, @spiral fable, @green citrus, @lyric sparrow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rain gyro]

first time building sv ou in like

more than two months

[spiral fable]

Flip turn on wake

Drop pulse

[rain gyro]

ah right it got turn

forgot lmao

[spiral fable]

Also what’s up with the evs

[forest magnet]

use spa boost instead of speed boost for wake

[spiral fable]

Ah knew it

[rain gyro]

yeah it's for speed boost

spa boost is better nowadays?

[spiral fable]

Yep

Drop headsmash on tusk

Run ice spinner

[forest magnet]

run max bulk gambit and tera blast on it

[spiral fable]

Honestly I would recommend a fully offensive tusk set with bu

[rain gyro]

fixed spa boost

[spiral fable]

Since this is sun you’re not really going for utility here

[rain gyro]

ah true

would i drop cinder?

if i'm not going for much utility

[spiral fable]

Yeah

[rain gyro]

replace with what lol

this was originally fire oger

but it got banned

and i didn't bother fixing the team until now so i put in what made most sense

in my outdated mind

lmao

[spiral fable]

Shocks?

[forest magnet]

shouldn't keeping cinder be good?

quick hazard removal which is good on offensive teams, not much of a momentum sink

[spiral fable]

It’s sun

If he’s that desperate toss in spin on tusk

[forest magnet]

pyro ball in sun

[hidden moth]

hi I tried to make my own team i will response later
https://pokepast.es/68876ab8fe63122a

[spiral fable]

He’s weak on special side though

And he needs another special mon

[rain gyro]

yeah i only have like

wake

[forest magnet]

u deal w them, i'll do the fallen peao

[rain gyro]

and torkoal but that like

doesnt really count

ah alright

[spiral fable]

I would recommend shocks over cinderace

And if you’re really struggling with hazards slot spin on tusk

[rain gyro]

offensive pivot set?

also what's bulk up tusk set again

isnt it like

bu eq/headlong cc ice spinner

with proto spped

[spiral fable]

Yeah

You could run spin and drop cc if you want the attack boost instead ig