[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[forest magnet]

really weak to rain types, i would say swap lando for somthing else, dragapult set is really gimicky also why is dragapult lonely :(

https://pokepast.es/bdf62cf45b9b9fab

maybe somthing like this, there was no water resist besdies wake

[slate vault]

will try it out thanks

[slate vault]

was thiking maybe swap race for moltres nd lando for gt

[forest magnet]

you can go for it, but then the team would be too passive

cinder adds more firepower and lando is your flying type

[slate vault]

what if its booster

[forest magnet]

then you wouldn't have staying power

its gonna be like a one time thing

[slate vault]

https://pokepast.es/d5d9edc9c24ce0c3 made more of a ho

[slate vault]

but i def see what u mean

i was getting kinda dggied on by gren nd wake before amongus

kinda nice to switch into valient too

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/0d41f2fada0a28a2

[spiral fable]

not sure about that wake set

[forest magnet]

@spiral fable deal with kota soda

[spiral fable]

bruh man's dodging his job

[forest magnet]

i'm doing someone else

[spiral fable]

smh slacker

[elfin pelican]

https://pokepast.es/44a0c755d31ab348 thinking of switching out iron hands for something a bit bulkier but no idea what to go

[forest magnet]

this team is really weak to court change, hazards and screens take too long to setup

https://pokepast.es/0d41f2fada0a28a2

i swapped pult for gren for cleaning power

make kingambit tera blast fairy for val matchup and dragon matchup

the only awakward mon here is great tusk

3 booster is kinda weird bc sometimes you might need to switch out

i mean it works

but still

[slate vault]

ursa?

[forest magnet]

no

its too slow

maybe swap it out for iron moth

gives a fairy resist too

[spiral fable]

no hazards, hands isn't good in ou rn, run fire blast on pult, i think it'd be better if you run a utility tusk set

as for hands replacement uh

anything bulkier wouldn't be offensive

a slow attacker would be ursaluna ig but it's not that good on this team

honestly i would just run encore val but you said you wanted something bulkier

why do you want a bulky mon

[forest magnet]

make sure u suggest somthing bulkier :)

just a tippo

[spiral fable]

yes that is why i added the second part matte

[forest magnet]

just a tippo

[spiral fable]

@elfin pelican do you want a bulky attacker or just a bulky mon

[elfin pelican]

whatever you feel works with the team is fine for me doesnt have to be bulk

[spiral fable]

o

well if it doesnt have to be bulkier encore val is a good pick

[elfin pelican]

okie

[slate vault]

sub 3 attacks?

[forest magnet]

yea

[slate vault]

wanna try the teams out

[slate vault]

glooks

[elfin pelican]

sure ign is ItsJustKota

@slate vault glhf i cant talk ingame chat

[slate vault]

gotchu

[elfin pelican]

@slate vault gg

Made to many bad plays

[sand citrus]

https://pokepast.es/fa02e47d7536fdde

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand citrus]

I don’t know what set of valiant is best here

[spiral fable]

a: you really shouldn't have that many boots on non stall teams

i know its cuz you dont have reliable hazard removal but it'll honestly be better if you just slot on hazard rmeoval and run better items than slot on 4 boots

b: i would recommend twave over grass knot on gking

c: i would recommend running banded zam over howl zam, since the main physical walls of the tier will sit on you even with a howl

d: if you want a fairy spatacker i would recommend specs enamorus, but you should first slot on reliable hazard removal

(swap lando for tusk)

iffy about the hamurott pick but thats just me

e: run tera flying on dengo fairy offers nothing flying cant

well ig a glaive rush immunity but at that point you can just stay in base dengo

[sand citrus]

I see i’ll make those changes ty very much !

[delicate dirge]

https://pokepast.es/2406732f5bfee5fa

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

um ground type = over

sandy shocks = over

volcanion is kinda random on this team, it does provide good resists but other than that its gonna be mostly dead weight bc steath rocks and hazards + how slow it is

you also just have really unviable sets

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Drain Punch
• Spirit Break
• Ice Punch
• Knock Off

i think you are better of with encore val

i'll fix it up 4 u

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/fa6d1687d9bbc5da

[forest magnet]

don't use it

also ur team is sooo weak defesnivly

[fathom wraith]

ok

i was just trying to have fun 😭

[forest magnet]

i mean for the first turn its a suprise

then its not

[fathom wraith]

mhm

[calm ether]

https://pokepast.es/7f5ad0998b596d6d

[spiral fable]

wtf that's a lot of leftovers

this team gets folded by a +1 bax and you don't really have a lot of immediate power to stop it

[tardy oracle]

https://pokepast.es/151a4ec289b2f948 not my best team, but wanted to build one around a pult-gambit-glapdos core

[spiral fable]

sure lando t can swith in and intimidate but it gets killed on the switch, and any mon that can threaten a ko/2hko on bax can easily be koed/2hkoed in return
you're also lacking any spatackers so
i would recommend running specs pult, and maybe full phys def tusk
@calm ether

[tardy oracle]

Been struggling to deal with Rotom

[spiral fable]

uh

gapdos sucks in ou but if you really want to make it work use a choice item

dont run loaded dice on greninja its only powering up your water shurkiens

[tardy oracle]

It’s the Mon who has put in the most work on this team

Glapdos

[spiral fable]

it gets sat on by all the phys walls of the tier and you have better offensive options

also why low kick

[tardy oracle]

Cause I’m running lefties and bulk up so I don’t want to lower my def with cc

[spiral fable]

why not thunderous kick then

[tardy oracle]

Probably better, but there are a lot of mons I would get the 120 bp on

In OU

And +1 speed outruns most mons so the speed drop doesn’t do much

[spiral fable]

thunderous kick is killing everything anyways

at +1

[tardy oracle]

Ok

What I’m wondering is how I could improve my other mons

Gren ace gloking

[spiral fable]

your bigger problem is that even with a bulk up its slow, both zapdos and moltres give it problems, it has nothing to break dozo, faster mons can revenge kill it, etc

your other mons are (mostly) fine just need some small set revisions but gapdos is really going to hold this team back

if you're really insistent on building with it i would heavily recommend running a choice item because realistically you're not getting that set up opportunity a lot

[tardy oracle]

Ok thanks for the help

[spiral fable]

drop foul play on slowking

replace it with sludge bomb

drop loaded dice in greninja replace it with either wise glasses or life orb up to you

your only hazard removal is cinderace and that's not even true removal so that's pretty unreliable

you want uturn on pult drop tbolt

you have no hazard setter and your tera types for ace and pult are a bit wack

[tardy oracle]

I replaced sb with foul play and the next game walked bax with foul play right before posting the team

I just never found myself using it

[spiral fable]

sludge is a lot more reliable and gives you a way too high change to poison the opponent

also all bax sets fold gking anyways unless iits som wack set that doesn't run eq

[forest magnet]

yeah i would say use sludge 100%

enam = over

you need it

[tardy oracle]

Ok forgot about enam

Actually that same game I mentioned I one shot enam with +1 glapdos

[spiral fable]

gapdos just isn't going to get turns to set up in most games

[forest magnet]

enamorus + scarf

[spiral fable]

there's a lot of mons that outspeed and threaten it

enamorus, val, pult, ace, ninja, shocks, wake, all of them outspeed you and can threaten you

the two legendary birds are a major nuisance as well, since static/flame body procs suck to deal with, and zapdos can straight up kill

you need two turns of set up for gapdos to really get going, which isn't going to happen often

there's just better, more reliable mons that can get the job done in one turn

[forest magnet]

yeah even after a boost things like booster iron val is still faster

[spiral fable]

val, moon, bax, sneasler, they can all get one turn of set up and start sweeping

[tardy oracle]

Those make my team weak to ground types. Air balloon unburden sneasler might work though…

[spiral fable]

then swap out ace for tusk and gapdos for a better set up sweeper

[forest magnet]

if u want bulk up go for booster tusk

[calm ether]

@spiral fable suggestions for this one? This one is a different one https://pokepast.es/20576bc5a0d36c07

[spiral fable]

future sight over slack off on gking

rocks on tusk over ice spinner

cm val isn't that good i would swap it for enam

whats up with the evs on tusk

same with ace

[calm ether]

yh was some calcs for lando, was also the reason I had ice spinner. Do you think ice spinner can still work possibly, or something else for lando

[spiral fable]

i mean lando really isn't a threat

[calm ether]

And why val over enam?

[spiral fable]

enam is stronger

[calm ether]

specs enam?

and race just max spe atk?

[spiral fable]

you can run cm enam if you want

and yeah

max speed atk

actually wait nvm

ace set is fine i forgot that's what bulky ace runs

[calm ether]

leftovers or hdb or life orb?

[spiral fable]

up to you

you have a lot of bulk already so you might want some better immediate power with lo

but if you dont think you can consistently keep rocks off hdb aint bad

[calm ether]

and specs on non cm?

[spiral fable]

yeah

and if you want to run sub enamorus of course run lefites

i would recommend boots since you're already so reliant on having rocks off but thats up to you

[calm ether]

I'll have a shot with trying to keep them off, otherwise I switch to hdb

https://pokepast.es/bc968a7d8729fa96

Also, weird question, I'm participanting in this custom challenge where we can choose 8 and bring 6 to this SV OU format. If you were to choose, what other 2 mons do you think would be very valuable to have as a switch and why or for what teams or mons? @spiral fable

[spiral fable]

uh

thats a tough question

but i would recommend another special attacker like wake/moth

[calm ether]

ye I was thinking wake too

maybe corv over tusk sometimes?

or dozo

[spiral fable]

nah

tusk is the bread and butter of your team

you need those hazards off at all costs

[calm ether]

but tusk doesnt have rapid spin now lol

[spiral fable]

wait why is spin gone on tusk what

o i missed that

drop bulk up

[calm ether]

kk

[spiral fable]

put spin back okn

[calm ether]

keep spread same?

[forest magnet]

👎

[spiral fable]

might want to lean a little more defensive ie 252 def but that's up to you

[calm ether]

what up?

[spiral fable]

team still kinda struggles against bax

[calm ether]

so maybe a rotator for bax?

[forest magnet]

tbh this is just the team germany team

[spiral fable]

lol

[calm ether]

Oh

[forest magnet]

lemme get it for them

[calm ether]

Well I wasnt trying to copy

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/2d0efb84b0b0c956

this one?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/2d0efb84b0b0c956

[spiral fable]

o wow that is a very shocking similarity

wild

[spiral fable]

slow

[forest magnet]

yeah

[calm ether]

I just wanted to use at least bax gking gambit and race

[spiral fable]

well good for you there's a team that does all of that

[forest magnet]

@calm ether i hate to say this, but the team is so similar you might just be better off using this

https://pokepast.es/2d0efb84b0b0c956

[calm ether]

had val before enam

Mhh, I can give it a try, but I like trying something unique

[spiral fable]

matte

[calm ether]

Even though it are the same mons lol

[forest magnet]

its alr

this team is highly customizable

u can change bax to normal dd

make enam scarf

[calm ether]

Indeed

[forest magnet]

make gambit more bulky

etc...

just whats ur comfort zone

[calm ether]

I like that a team can be customizable since I can do it in that custom format I'm playing

[forest magnet]

k

[calm ether]

Like I said I like wake as rotator

[forest magnet]

si?

[calm ether]

Any suggestion for one more for dealing with bax maybe/

[forest magnet]

in place for what

[calm ether]

Depends on the matchup

[spiral fable]

my second message didn't send but why did you post the team and ping them again lol

[forest magnet]

run low kick on cinderace

[spiral fable]

hjk

[forest magnet]

or setup bax before they can

[calm ether]

oi that works

[spiral fable]

i am a low kick hater you will take your 90% accuracy and like it

[calm ether]

Is torkoal stupid as rotator?

[forest magnet]

yeah

[forest magnet]

i wouldn't reccomend rotating the mons, but the sets

[spiral fable]

torkoal fits on sun and sun only

this team isn't really built for sun

[calm ether]

Set I will change to fit them def

[forest magnet]

low kick is 100% acc

[calm ether]

but hard to choose rotators for this team

[spiral fable]

exactly

[forest magnet]

once again

[spiral fable]

100% moves are cowardly you take your rng and you like it

[forest magnet]

draco metor

more like draco missoir

[forest magnet]

0_o what stall mon knows draco

[spiral fable]

pult

[forest magnet]

goofy ahh stall

[spiral fable]

i was cooking with semi stall pre home

[calm ether]

What would you say this team struggles the most with

[forest magnet]

bax

[calm ether]

figured

[forest magnet]

or stall

[calm ether]

so, a good mon to use against stall or bax

[forest magnet]

i mean its not like sooo weak

its just you need to play well

[forest magnet]

specs enam

with superpower

[calm ether]

could work

for some reason I feel I need electric to beat stall

but that's stupid

[spiral fable]

clod sits

[calm ether]

beating stall does indeed seem somewhat difficult with this team

[forest magnet]

you need grass

[calm ether]

or at least requires careful play

[forest magnet]

yeah

[calm ether]

wo-chien? lol

[forest magnet]

its not the like team covers everything in the world

[calm ether]

leech seed knock off

[spiral fable]

yeah cyclizar stall completely sits on it

[forest magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/meowscarada-meh-gif-27614470

[calm ether]

I see haha

havent used meow too much so dont know what it can do

I'm still gonna give wochien a chance lol

but def consider meow

thanks for the help

[spiral fable]

the most common stall team rn is cyclizar stall

[forest magnet]

bro what

[forest magnet]

don't replace the mons

they work well together

[spiral fable]

and cyclizar stall doesn't care about leech seed and knock

[forest magnet]

patching one problem only to have 3 more problems

[spiral fable]

since a: they can just rapid spin the seeds then knock you in return

and b: toxic chip/hazard chip

[calm ether]

I just like to have SOME mons that could possibly help me against specific teams

since if I see my opponent has stall in pre-match view, I could then prepare for it even though this teams works well

[spiral fable]

i mean wo chien aint gonna help

if you want stall killer you want luna

luna/dengo but there's now gholdengo countermeasure

[calm ether]

I see

welp i'm gonna check it out, thanks

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/42649aea05861440

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

this teams feels really weird you have a suicide lead but most of the team aint hyper offense, you have full bulk tusk but you're running headlong rush instead of eq, sub dengo but no recovery

run surf instead of twave on gking

[fathom wraith]

you mean twave instead of surf?

[spiral fable]

o yeah

oops

if you want to go full hyper offense, swap out gking tusk dengo and rework bax set

if you want to go more bulky, swap out samurott

also, run eq over glaive rush on bax

swap out sub on dengo for recover

swap out headlong rush for eq

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/a3c7a22159e39ef7

@spiral fable i just redid the whole team

[spiral fable]

band ace isn't good

[fathom wraith]

idk its been good for me

[spiral fable]

you have a lot better options

[fathom wraith]

like what

[spiral fable]

want a strong fire attacker? moth
strong banded option? bax

also you shouldn't have so many choiced mons on the team

ho is about strong set up sweepers

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/e06a8136a0d29bc7

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[west harbor]

your team is pretty passive and relies on cress + kingambit to break anything, which isn’t ideal because unboosted cress is super week

what id do is replace scarf lando with a strong breaker, maybe try specs pult. lando + tusk overlap a lot here and it’s not really giving you anything offensively apart from speed which pult also does

with gambit also i’d run some speed because low kick is mostly for other gambit so if you’re always slower than other gambit then you end up taking a hit first

av pex also doesn’t really do too much here because again it’s kinda passive and less reliable than prehome (and outclassed by glowking). you could try glowking in that spot if you wanted something specially defensive but you could also try something like zapdos to give you another ground immunity + pivoting + general annoyance to physical stuff with static

[fathom wraith]

Ok thanks

[livid glade]

https://pokepast.es/5edcb6ce846c2772

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[livid glade]

Balanced offense with klefki

Thoughts

[spiral fable]

tusk is fine but dont run brick break

run boots on bax

and idk whats up with the evs are they meant to live something or

klefki isn't good in ou

there's better prankster mons, its basically free set up fodder for gambit, and sure switcheroo iron ball is a fun gimmick but you could have an actual mon on the team that can contribute better

[tranquil niche]

https://pokepast.es/a2ccb9630b811c4b
Lead meowscarda ho

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral fable]

Drop ace for a mon like val or bax

[tranquil niche]

Well I wanted a pivot on this team

[spiral fable]

It’s ho

[tranquil niche]

yeah fair enough ig

[spiral fable]

I don’t like the dengo pick either I think you have better options

[west harbor]

hyper offense is a playstyle where you really don’t want pivots - all ho mons are usually really frail so a fast pivot like ace means your sweepers have to take unnecessary damage

id say the same about double choice with specs enam too - it’s going to be forced out so much but there’s no defensive backbone to switch into

[tranquil niche]

It was just to deny removal from mons like corv

[spiral fable]

You deny removal through not giving them a chance to get off a defog anyways

[west harbor]

so going smth like cm could work better, or just dropping for a diff setup mon

[tranquil niche]

so can I swap enam for val, ace for bax

and what do I replace ghold with

[spiral fable]

I would say just run cm enam instead of dropping it entirely

[west harbor]

you could try just going with a np set on it if you wanted to keep it

[spiral fable]

That’s an option as well

[tranquil niche]

What about uh Val instead of ghold

Val also can revenge kill like scarf ghold with booster speed

[west harbor]

didn’t you alr swap val for enam

[tranquil niche]

Nah I'm keeping enam

cm enam now

https://pokepast.es/586d2d94df30563b
What about something like this

[west harbor]

that should be workable, i do think that ghold is probably better than enam but if you wanna keep it then it should be fine

you should go setup valiant tho

either sd or cm

and another option you can consider is hsamurott lead > meow because it bypasses taunt and magic bounce with spikes + is overall better to keep them up but meow should also be workable if you wanted to keep it

[sharp saffron]

https://pokepast.es/64dcb7fdfc6ac257

thoughts?

dragapult set feels a bit niche I agree but it just feels so satisfying to sub in front of a sucker punch, then tera blast kingambit and OHKOing with it

[west harbor]

the team kinda lacks immediate power / a strong breaker so you might honestly be better with just specs pult

[sharp saffron]

alright

shadow ball / draco meteor / flamethrower / u-turn ?

lmao I just tera blasted another kingambit as we speak, he was trying to avoid future sight damage and saw I had my dragapult in

but yea specs does seem alot more consistent outside the gambit mu and no need to tera to fill it's niche

[west harbor]

yea that’s the set

it’s a lot less tera reliant

something else you could try is tusk > samurott to give you rocks + spin and another more reliable gambit check if you’re worried about it

[sharp saffron]

thanks!

[sharp saffron]

👍

[weak verge]

https://pokepast.es/b4372d1944725ba6
hey I'd like some help with this team, I tried to make one based around tera flying acrobatics roaring moon, but I'm not really sure about basically any of this

the main idea is that hamurott supports the sweep with spikes, ghold maintains the spikes, and scizor deals with fairies/ice types

[spiral fable]

so this is ho i assume

scizor isn't good neither is ceruledge

[weak verge]

I have no reason why iron valiant or ceruledge are on the team, except the occasional late game sweep/tanking fire hits for scizor, respectively

[spiral fable]

there's better ways of handling fairies and ice types, mainly the ghold on your team no need for scizor

[weak verge]

yeah

[spiral fable]

edge is just bad

outclassed by a lot of better mons

you could run bax instead

[weak verge]

hm what would bax do for the team?

not questioning it, just want to understand

[spiral fable]

edge's job but better

you get better breaking power, you're faster, better coverage, etc

[weak verge]

the thing is edge never really had a role in the team haha it's almost placeholder until I find something that will actually fit the team

[spiral fable]

alterantively gambit is also an option

[weak verge]

hm that might be good yeah

[spiral fable]

you want booster val instead of specs

can be mixed or sd encore up to you

[weak verge]

do I even want val at all though?

[spiral fable]

yeah

its a good mon

[weak verge]

hm ok

[spiral fable]

outspeeds a lot of things, even +1 with booster, can deal with threatening opposing sweepers

helps you not get folded by gambit

[weak verge]

oh that's true yeah it has definitely helped me against gambit

[spiral fable]

as for a scizor replacement, you could run like booster agility wake

alternatively you could run like sneasler

[weak verge]

hm sneasler does sound good, deals with both fairies and bax

my main hangup with both that and booster val is that I can't really bring them in/out too easily

[spiral fable]

its ho

you arne't siwtching around in the first place

[weak verge]

i.e. they bring out their gambit, I bring out val and they they just switch in one of its checks

[spiral fable]

gambit is only truly threatening with 5 boosts and the only mon it can truly switch in on anyways is gholdengo which can be solved by slotting on focus blast

[weak verge]

shadow ball* I assume?

ghold is kinda immune to focus blast lol

[spiral fable]

??

no you're worried about gambit

[weak verge]

oh now I get what you were saying

[spiral fable]

you asked what happens when gambit switches in which a: it's either switching in on a super weakened sweeper to clean, in which case you bring in your next mon and revenge kill

or b: it's switching in on ghold

i dont think gambit is really going to give you trouble anyways focus blast or no focus blast

[weak verge]

you're right I think yeah

[woven basin]

so this is my team i use for anything goes

mimicute (Mimikyu) (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Disguise
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA
Jolly Nature

• Play Rough
• Drain Punch
• Shadow Claw
• Bulk Up

prison (Toxapex) @ Poison Barb
Ability: Merciless
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 SpA

• Gunk Shot
• Baneful Bunker
• Haze
• Surf

heatie (Rotom-Heat) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Overheat
• Thunder
• Nasty Plot
• Volt Switch

lizard boi (Rayquaza-Mega) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Air Lock
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 208 Def
Naive Nature

• Dragon Ascent
• Dragon Dance
• Extreme Speed
• Fire Blast

doggy (Houndstone) @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Fluffy
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 88 SpA
Jolly Nature

• Last Respects
• Play Rough
• Protect

dolly (Magearna) @ Leftovers
Ability: Soul-Heart
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 72 Def
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fleur Cannon
• Flash Cannon
• Energy Ball
• Psychic

any advice will be apreciated

[west harbor]

hi, this channel is for sv ou rates and not anything goes

[woven basin]

srry can you direct me to the channel bc i dont undertsnd

[fierce basin]

go back to rate my team and click anything goes rates

[tidal jungle]

https://pokepast.es/e44e8a2ad401de09

Now the link works—any feedback is appreciated, my thanks !

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[quick bluff]

what is brave bird on molt for?

would be better off running wisp or defog imo

[tidal jungle]

I’m sorry to say it doesn’t have defog in SV, but wisp would probably be a better idea-

[fierce basin]

Yeah wisp and make moltres phys def prob

[quick bluff]

oh right yeah

yeah i think wisp is the way to go

[tidal jungle]

Reason I have SpD is because it already ranks a lot of common threats like Valiant and doesn’t have a weakness to tusk: able to pivot out from there while taking some special attacks to

[fierce basin]

Also I'd prob run h wish over superpower on enamorus unless u rly like it for some reason. Additionally you could make tusk booster with bulk up over rocks, you don't have knock so you prob won't hit anything rock weak w rocks. And everyone runs ace anyway

Well val also runs physical. The only reason I suggested phys def is you have slowking already

[tidal jungle]

That’s the point: it’s still able to take a hit or two from Valiant even when it’s physical : o

[fierce basin]

Whatever floats ur boat

[tidal jungle]

I’ll try and shift that around and see how it goes: sorry, I suppose I just wanted at least some hazards 😅

My thanks <->!

[fierce basin]

try it then

try it with hazards i mean

no need to change it if you havent tried it first

gl

[tidal jungle]

Ty señor, have a good one !

[fathom wraith]

https://pokepast.es/8942dbfcc345adbb

[forest magnet]

really weak to dd bax, why run protect on tusk

its not rotom

[fathom wraith]

tusk doenst have protect

[forest magnet]

really glimicky sets too

[fathom wraith]

?

[forest magnet]

Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Def / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Close Combat
• Protect
• Knock Off

r u good

[fathom wraith]

thats not my set?

[forest magnet]

yeah show me that please not the pokepaste

[forest magnet]

u sent this

[fathom wraith]

where does tusk have protect

[forest magnet]

oops wrong paste

still, its really weak to dd bax

[fathom wraith]

mhm

what should i replace?

[forest magnet]

double triple earth weak is also really bad

[fathom wraith]

or change

[forest magnet]

and zapdos being weak to ice is the iceing on the cake

[fathom wraith]

hmm

so what should i do?

[forest magnet]

well this team looks like standard balance so i would suggest swapping heatran out

there is too much overlap

w slowking

[fathom wraith]

mhm i see

[forest magnet]

i would say a bulky water like dondozo but it would make the team a bit too slow

[fathom wraith]

rotom?

[forest magnet]

no, it dies to a g rush at +1 if its spd and is left at like 12% if its phys def

[fathom wraith]

pex?

[forest magnet]

eq

another eq weakness

lemme just think 4 a sec

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/97727cc2835bf6d4

yeah couldn't think of much

dozo is p good here, its weaknesses are taken well here

just changed the tusk and gambit set

and slowking galar

[fathom wraith]

ok tyy

[forest magnet]

pretty basic team, but you are going a bit overboard on the support

https://pokepast.es/c506bd1515e07590

ur using slow mons on ho, so i would suggest having a team with good synergy while still keeping its offensive power.

[pure ravine]

Thank you

My other acc got disabled so im responding on this

I was only running brick break cause screens cheese is pretty annoying

[pure ravine]

Wanted a more spdef great tusk, and a little more bulkier baxcalibur for easier setup, wanted more spdef for klefki, the sandy shocks is a lead so i needed some points sacrificed from special attack for the speed boost, and im running the sample set of bulky cinderace

[nocturne dagger]

you could try corv over great tusk if you really hate screens

brick break isn't great in general

screens aren't amazing rn

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[weak verge]

Hm ok I think I get it

[balmy sun]

alr don't be too mean

https://pokepast.es/29e4b22153695b70

my first real SV OU team

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[balmy sun]

im an old gen liker

[fallow crag]

This is gonna seem insane as an old gen player

But ursaluna actually ain't that great

[balmy sun]

it does LMAO

well before that

everything about gen 9

[spiral fable]

cocaine bear aint that cracked

[balmy sun]

makes my head hurt

[fallow crag]

Yeh gen 9 definitely is a unique one

Trends towards the extreme if ya feel

[spiral fable]

game freak really said oops all power creep

[fallow crag]

Keeping that in mind, your team doesn't have a cohesive idea to me

[balmy sun]

that sucks though. big bear is like my favorite new addition. bulky slow wallbreakers my beloved

[balmy sun]

yeah i know LMAO

[fallow crag]

A well played valiant tears this to shreads

Actually I think SD valiant auto wins if it ever gets a chance to set up

[quick bluff]

if more tr setters got teleport than just the ralts line I think ursa would be a lot better this gen than it is right now

[spiral fable]

specs enam can also kinda click moonblast and kill like most the team

[balmy sun]

it should be telling of how new i am to this concept of gen 9 as a whole when i tell you it took a second to remember who tf valiant was

[fallow crag]

I'd look into colbur or shuca gking over rotom

Probably a Dragonite, maybe band over ursaluna

Replace tera blast with spikes on shocks and give it booster

That Great Tusk should be booster with speed boosting as well

[balmy sun]

like gen 1 and 3 are my favorites ever. this genuinely seems like game freak was high when they made S/V

[fallow crag]

I could see a case for Azumarill over gren

But that's preference at that point

[balmy sun]

i do like azu

[fallow crag]

I like playing gen 1!

ADV is lost on me

[balmy sun]

https://pokepast.es/d2c82c90e3a76947

i started using camerupt BEFORE jimmy made a video about it. this is like my favorite team ever

and it should tell you how new gen 9 is to me lmao

i can't even conceptualize half the new mons

[balmy sun]

honestly as an ADV player no leftovers recovery is the biggest blessing and curse ever in RBY

[fallow crag]

Yeh I haven't actually played gen 3 ever

I can see that

[balmy sun]

chip in RBY being permanent on most things is like. really cool.

it also fucking sucks sometimes but

eh

also

im really not partial to the team I posted

i kinda just wanna build a new one if possible

with an actual concept from the start

i love offense. someone told me i'd like gen 9 when i told them that. i do not so far

[fallow crag]

It's a lot more complex in some ways

Positioning plays a much larger role when you can lose by giving your opponent one free turn more frequently

[balmy sun]

for sure

[restive mesa]

That’s why TR is so difficult to pull off in singles

Well difficult

It has its own special way

[balmy sun]

Ngl though, trick room w a sash or something sounds like a fun way to turn the tables on a sweeper

obviously im not gonna attempt it, it still isn’t great in singles but

having ursuluna as an option even is fun

but yeah going from ADV to S/V is maybe the most whiplash i’ve had in competitive

to reliably kill a healthy mon in ADV from full you needed to click a move that kills your own pokemon. you can one shot anything in gen 9 with enough of a min maxxed mon

[waxen hinge]

quick question

is it a bad idea to make your entire team filled with sweepers

and only one utility pokemon

[forest magnet]

no, thats what ho is

just build well

like the sweepers work together

[restive mesa]

Is that worth the Pokémon slot though?

[balmy sun]

absolutely not lmao

i just think it's a cool thing

again i wouldn't use trick room but more options are always fun

[restive mesa]

Yessir o7

I like the bear though

Very strong

[balmy sun]

adv has so many options... i miss it...

i mean so does S/V but they all tera fairy

😭

[blazing plaza]

https://pokepast.es/6944b23400970fc5
Stall one or
https://pokepast.es/02bbc19863c1c1c0
Stall two

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[west harbor]

i’m not super familiar with stall so take this with a grain of salt but i think you’d benefit a lot more from boots on most of your mons than leftovers/helmet so you can switch around a lot more vs spikestack offenses

rn you have corv to defog but that’s your only way to beat those teams, and if your opp has ghold (especially recover variants) then there’s nothing stopping it from just switching in every time corv wants to fog

stalls rn can have 6 boots users even, here’s some cool ones if you’d wanna try others teams https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peaked-2-2107-elo-–-regen-stall.3722713/ https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/updated-peaked-2-2134-elo-–-cyclizar-stall.3724910/

[west harbor]

your team above was alr rated but i just wanted to say that there’s a lot of diff offenses you can try in sv if you find that your team isn’t super comfortable. HO is very viable and it can sometimes just be 3-4 booster mons and a kingambit with no pivots or anything like that

[weak verge]

Hey I'd like some thoughts on this rough team idea. Basically the whole concept is "maximize chip damage, then roaring moon cleans up"
https://pokepast.es/cb9edbd1615e45b6

[west harbor]

i don’t really see this team working out in practice - you have too many different elements that aren’t very cohesive

clodsire is really passive and it can chip mons with toxic but its passivity also allows things to recover from the chip. that ghold set is also relatively passive with hex as the only attack, you can’t hit any ground-types (or zapdos) reliably because you can’t twave them. av ttar also doesn’t do much in this meta and is weak to most of the top mons except pult

on the other side, you have screens scream tail, and with a pretty passive clod+ghold, those screens can be removed easily (court change is rly good here) or their turns wasted

id also say that roaring moon isn’t as consistent of a cleaner as it once was and having it as this team’s only offensive mon probably won’t be able to win many games in practice

i think if you wanted to use moon, you’d have to build a whole offense team. but if you wanted to keep some other things + experiment more, there’s other set/mon fixes to make this a more typical bulky offense

[weak verge]

Hm, I see what you're saying I think yeah

[west harbor]

i think my best advice would be to find one specific playstyle you like and build a team to fit that

you can go with hyper offense and have a lead + 5 sweepers, you can have a bulky offense team with some strong breakers + a decent defensive core, or you can have an even bulkier balance team that’s a lot less offensive

or you can build stall but idk enough to rate stall

it might seem kinda restrictive but without a style in mind it’s a lot harder for the team to be cohesive and have synergy, so for example screens + something that lets in cinderace for free doesn’t rly work

[weak verge]

the style I had in mind was semistall though haha

I probably didn't really do it justice but that's what I was going for

[west harbor]

semistall wouldn’t have screens or booster dd moon on it - those are things that can only really work on offense

if you wanna build a balance/semistall team then you’d want a more consistent breaker instead of moon which can only feasibly be used once

[weak verge]

screens I understand, but why not booster dd moon? isn't the idea of semistall having one mon that will clean up at the end?

[weak verge]

balance and semistall are extremely different things though, no?

[west harbor]

moon is also your only source of power like at all, so you can’t just bring it in to punish stuff when needed

you’d have to rely on your other 5 entirely to do everything until the end

[weak verge]

that's the idea of semistall though afaik

[west harbor]

there’s this sample semistall that might be worth trying out https://pokepast.es/9ca898184152d84b - np torn is the “breaker” in a sense bc it can make progress but it also has regen so it can come in multiple times to exert pressure

[weak verge]

hm ok

[west harbor]

i wouldn’t say the goal of semistall is to have an offensive mon that you can only bring in once + 5 fats- it’s more a stall backbone with something that can exert some offensive pressure to prevent the team from being entirely passive

[weak verge]

ok then, I think I understand

[west harbor]

id try that team out, it’s not too similar to yours but if that’s the style you were going for you might get some merit out of it

[weak verge]

yeah it will definitely help me understand the team style, thanks

[balmy sun]

Yeah I’m think HSamurott some booster mons and either gambit or a utility

[west harbor]

yea that’s a very common structure

[balmy sun]

Dragapult was like my least favorite part of gen 8 so even if it’s still viable knowing that there are so many good dark and fairy types now is awesome

well. idk if fairy types are good

hate fairy

[west harbor]

iron valiant is very good

[balmy sun]

i mean morally

morally i hate fairy types

evil

as a DPP player knowing Clef became one of the most annoying and menacing mons for like 4 gens straight makes so much more sense than people might think

[pure ravine]

https://pokepast.es/6740ae6db4353aa5

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[pure ravine]

This team is based off of sticky webs and hazards, using sticky webs to my advantage. Any improvements I should make?

I might run this spread so I can outspeed mons when sticky web is up

[west harbor]

webs is a very offensive playstyle, so ideally you want to capitalise on offensive pressure with the speed drop

ting-lu doesn’t really fit here because it’s such a passive pokemon and therefore can’t capitalise on the speed drop (bc it’s still slower than everything else) and it also lets in removal like tusk, so your webs are less likely to stay up because of it

instead, you’d be better off with some other offensive mons that do benefit from the speed drop (kingambit is good, there’s also a lot of niche stuff you can try too bc you’re a lot less concerned about stuff being slow)

i also wouldn’t run 0 speed ghold here - the speed reduction does help but ghold isn’t very fast without investment so it can be outsped even under webs with that set

[west harbor]

similarly here, you’d be better off with a more offensive spread to help keep webs up (tusk always invites in other tusk) and to maintain offensive pressure - you could try the booster energy +speed set that will outspeed everything under webs

[forest magnet]

i would suggest to get rid of the webs part

cinderace is very prevailent and its matchup into masquane is rlly good

so if it gets court change up, you are at a big disadvatage

[pure ravine]

I have my own court change too

Without webs, the chomp will be at a huge disadvantage against any fairy or dragon type since it's only 303 speed

I don't wanna get rid of garchomp

The biggest problem I have with this team is going against lead samurott

[forest magnet]

I would try to swap out somthing out, but the thing is that webs teams are really hard to swap things for

i think the best would be to get rid of the webs and make it screens

it would be a big change, but screens is a better playstyle in general as it isn't as depenant

(eg what if a mon has boots)

wait scratch that sorry

i'll just suggest some things

well you are running triple ground, so you are really weak to ice and water moves, you don't even have a resist besides a tera

also, this team doesn't look like it abuses webs as most of the members don't hit that hard and are passive

eg ting-lu

ik this is a big change, but I would suggest to swap ting-lu, garchomp, great tusk out for somthing more offensive

because your only real breaker is life orb garchomp.

[ionic crag]

https://pokepast.es/1e5b859a4d8f5317 what do i change here

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[forest magnet]

I would suggest to swap one of the choiced mons for somthing else, all of your attackers being choice locked is really bad

[ionic crag]

which one should i swap

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/c0ab6c542b8872a6

[forest magnet]

i would say swap val for booster energy

encore physical

[ionic crag]

what about gholdengo

[forest magnet]

yeah, that too

this team looks more like a hyper offence team so i would suggest not having gold

sure keeping hazards is nice, but swap it out for somthing that takes advagage that they have to go to hazard removal

[ionic crag]

what are some examples of that

[forest magnet]

lemme get some rq

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/21dfc8a3f218d7bc

i would say somthing like this

gren forces out tusk, and is able to kill if its hit

[ionic crag]

wouldn't that set of valiant get walled by fairy types?

[forest magnet]

oh shoot

lemme change it

i did the encore set

mb

[plucky radish]

https://pokepast.es/c937a9e0acf8932d
im bad at showdown and "made"(heavily inspired from things i saw online) a rain team how to make better?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/20322c069f043cbb

sorry, updated it

[ionic crag]

would it work better if i replaced moonblast with spirit break and ran more evs in atk?

[forest magnet]

the moon blast is for OHKO on tusk

sprit break won't ohko

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/f0d28571c923e634

[plucky radish]

wow that was fast

can you explain iron treads to me

[forest magnet]

thanks to its booster energy, it gets a speed boost so its a fast support mon

you go into it

setup hazards

get rid of items

then commit suicide with steel beam

get in a rain sweeper for free

[plucky radish]

so its fast and has a lot of utility

can i use it as a second lead?

pelipper every time can be exploitable i noticed

[forest magnet]

ah

yeah

mostly u always wanna lead pelliper

then swap to treads for rain up and also immune to eletric moves

[plucky radish]

ok i will try this and ask you if i dont know how to beat what in x situation

thank

[forest magnet]

ah alr

dm me if needed

[pure ravine]

2 lead mons haha

Ill try it

nearly lost to dozo first game idk

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/b12ad4fac92fe86d

ignore tera ice on tusk accident

[spiral fable]

ok immediantly drop soft sand on lando t run like helmet

you have 5 physical attackers and 1 special attacker, which can cause problems, especially against matchups like stall

[velvet path]

should i change val to special

[spiral fable]

this seems like a hyper offense team with a side of lando t and ghold doesn't fit as well ig but why not just full hyper offense at that point

idk i think this team would just be better as full hyper offense or swap one of your phys attackers for a bulkier mon(maybe gking for a pivot?)

also special val isn't that good if you want to run a special fairy enamorus is better

[strong vapor]

https://pokepast.es/12558c84fd16b7e2

[west harbor]

i think this is a pretty decent offense, idt scarf lando really fits here because it gets forced out a lot (by ground immunes/using uturn) but you don’t really have a defensive core to pivot around so your sweepers end up taking unnecessary damage

i think you’d be better off with dd baxcalibur in that slot so you can break zapdos (which is a pretty bad mu here) and just keep up offensive pressure

id also recommend using a more defensive tera type for gambit, maybe flying but there’s a few options. dark is insane offensively but it doesn’t really do much to support gambit, and being able to flip the type chart on stuff like tusk is valuable. you already have black glasses to boost your dark moves power anyway

[barren escarp]

hello
uhm, i'm new to this competitive thing and i'm wondering if the team i made is any good
https://pokepast.es/a773065ec9a6d393

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[barren escarp]

any thoughts ?

im thinking of replacing hatterene for a more offesnive mon

[spiral fable]

You have a severe lack of rain abusers, swap out a few mons for basculegion greninja

Floatzel isn’t that good now cuz bascu just does it’s job better but that’s up to you

[barren escarp]

i like floatzel

[spiral fable]

Aight then, it’s not as good as legion but if you want to keep it it’s up to you

[barren escarp]

which?

[spiral fable]

Drop hatterene for greninja

[barren escarp]

also i replace zapdos and tusk for pawmot and lando

[spiral fable]

That’s not a good idea

[barren escarp]

oh

[spiral fable]

First of all pawmot kinda sucks

Lando is alright but you don’t really need him on the team and you could run better mons

Zapdos is a great pick both defensively and offensively and offers you a lot of option

[barren escarp]

i got pawmot for revival blessing

[spiral fable]

Yeah it’s not good in ou

You burn a team slot(and a turn) to get the revival off, both of which can be easily abused

[barren escarp]

like this?

[spiral fable]

Yes but I would run ice beam over grass knot

I would also drop amoonguss for gambit

Generally you don’t want to be running a lot of defensive mons on rain cuz that’s just wasting precious rain turns

Gambit offers some defensive utility but also great offensive power

[barren escarp]

do i go for defensive zapdos or no?

[barren escarp]

whi di i replace lando wirh ?

[spiral fable]

Uh you could run a suicide lead like hamurott

[spiral fable]

Up to you since both work but I’d recommend offensive

[barren escarp]

well

i want something more bulky

in case i need to save my main offenses

[barren escarp]

i think i'll stick with lando

[upbeat anchor]

https://pokepast.es/aab93bc632048598 any thoughts?

[spiral fable]

Zapdos is better than thundurus, and I would recommend greninja over torn

I would also recommend replacing corv with a phys attacker that’s not strictly locked to rain

Ie gambit

[upbeat anchor]

battle bond gren or protean?

[spiral fable]

Battle bond

[strong vapor]

so, who should i replace?

[barren escarp]

so far this team is holding up well !

im at 1100 rating

[strong vapor]

replace lando for kingambit maybe

[barren escarp]

mm

[strong vapor]

if you're having trouble with sun i guess amoonguss can be replace for walking wake

[barren escarp]

i wanna keep the bulk !

[strong vapor]

ah

replace floatzel with bascu

[barren escarp]

i like floatzel more

[spiral fable]

bascu is stronger and still outspeeds all threats that floatzel does

[barren escarp]

i like floatzel more...

[spiral fable]

alright then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[west harbor]

i meant use it instead of scarf lando for the reasons i outlined

[autumn igloo]

Any advice on this rain team

https://pokepast.es/3504a70f557b1591

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[spiral fable]

overquil sucks on rain drop it for bascu

[spiral fable]

same with hisui goodra

clod is alright but you have better hazard setters available

drop goodra for something liek greninja/wake

i wouldnt recommend tera ghost but tera fairy on gambit

or flying

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/05296e79a7465ad9

[pure ravine]

Well why would you use flamethrower on a rain team?

[spiral fable]

Bax is a major problem for this team

Val is also a nuisance

Imo drop samurott and swap gholdengo for scarf/drop it for enamorus

As for samurott replacement you could run a bax of your own, or even zamazenta

[hybrid wharf]

https://pokepast.es/2c3cc115562719e7

[barren escarp]

https://pokepast.es/ff756aa4c3db9c33

how about now?

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[west harbor]

i’m not really sure what av treads is for here - the only reason you’d run that thing would be for rocks on a team like that. if you wanted something offensive in that slot, you could just try smth else that functions outside of rain like kingambit

if you want hazards then change the treads set or honestly just use tusk so you don’t get 6-0ed by gambit at the end

you could also try red card amoong to disrupt the opp a bit - if they attack you and you spire then they get forced into a random teammate and they don’t get to choose their sleep sack anymore

for greninja i wouldn’t rly recommend specs because it can get forced out a lot and kill your momentum/even lose your battle bond boosts, so life orb can work better here

[barren escarp]

i have aqua jet for that

[barren escarp]

i keep forgetting to change it 😭

[west harbor]

you do but you’re also choice locked into it so a gambit user can take advantage of that and not have to play sucker mindgames because they know exactly what you’re gonna click

[barren escarp]

so who do i replace treads with

[west harbor]

it depends on what you want that slot to be

do you want it to be rocks/spin or something else that’s offensive?

[barren escarp]

something immune to electric

im thinking ting lu

[west harbor]

if you want an electric immune there then i’d say your options are tusk or just non-av treads with rocks

ting-lu would be a huge momentum sink on this, it’s really passive so all the breaking that floatzel/gren does will end up being undone when mons can come in on ting-lu to recover, set up hazards etc

it will also waste your rain turns because it can’t really take advantage of them

[barren escarp]

what about clodsire

to counter other rain abusers

[west harbor]

i would say the same about clod in terms of passivity but even worse

[barren escarp]

oh

alright

is this good?

[west harbor]

rain is an offensive playstyle, you do have pivots like amoong to help out but you don’t want to have pokemon on your team that can let things come in to recover/set up hazards and take advantage of the fact that ting-lu/clodsire can’t touch them

[west harbor]

you could put rocks over knock/spin if you wanted hazards on your team, but this set is good yea

[barren escarp]

i just did a match

and uh

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1935169671-bj8yujw4q4s5qqadwaeaf9g5mzt6rpgpw

[west harbor]

that’s why life orb is good

[barren escarp]

so is this team good now

[west harbor]

it should be yea

[west harbor]

for this one, what specific playstyle were you thinking of? you have a hazards lead + 2 booster mons that work well on hyper offensive teams (which are basically just lead + sweepers to offensively pressure the opponent as much as possible), but then your glowking + specs pult core doesn’t really fit on those teams and would work better on a more bulky offense (where you have offensive breakers but also a bulkier defensive core to support them)

if you wanted to go with something that’s not hyper offense, you could change shocks to zapdos for a ground immunity/better switchin to tusk and then change samurott to your own tusk because you’d no longer need a lead and it gives you a better gambit check

leftovers on gambit might be helpful here too bc it’s your only real dragapult answer so being able to come in more times is helpful

[west harbor]

i like the changes mentioned above, but i’d also suggest going specs pult over specs ghold because your team is pretty slow rn and pull gives you some speed

[hybrid wharf]

thank you for the suggestions! I am still experimenting so I'll just keep testing different things 🙂

should hyper offensive teams ignore hazards?

[west harbor]

if you went with hyper offense you’d keep the hazard lead yea, you’d just have to change around slowking + pult ans then just go max attack speed kingambit

[west harbor]

https://pokepast.es/b044d8977f83efbb

if you wanted HO

[hybrid wharf]

thanks! i'll give that team a go

[barren escarp]

https://pokepast.es/188d1e6f52b566ed i made another team

is it good?

[misty garnet]

honestly no specs moonblast switch in

enamorus 1v1 with another enam is kinda risky

also great tusk is a free switch in for ghambit and ice spinner/close combat might goob u

still good team to work out regardless

[barren escarp]

how can i make it better?

[misty garnet]

maybe rotom tera steel cuz there's so many fighting counters in ur team or just switch dragapult for iron moth

[west harbor]

moltres could work as an option too over rotom for a more long-term resist bc of recovery + flame body is always fun for phys attackers too

with sneasler i think you’d be better off with sd too instead of 4 attacks because it’s not as strong as you’d think without a boost, id drop acro imo then go tera dark

[barren escarp]

alright

thanks!

[misty garnet]

oh damn i didn't even see the fling yea tera dark fosho and ohko sum gholdengo XD

[barren escarp]

then id lose something to switch in against water

[calm ether]

https://pokepast.es/adca889eb7820ba3

[calm ether]

Comments?

[quick bluff]

https://pokepast.es/5b2f82e655336ef4

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[quick bluff]

was trying balance with mew as a lead, mew has been putting in lots of work, but a couple things i feel unsure about

especially iron hands

(as for mew’s evs - spatk is to ohko min hp tusk, spe is to outspeed lando)

[spiral fable]

You have better options than mew(ting lu) but if you want to stick to it then ok

Hands isn’t really good in ou rn

I would recommend defensive tusk instead, since you’re severly lacking in hazard removal

[forest magnet]

mew struggles in the lead spot as samurott hisui is everywhere

its going to get rocks up and thats it

also, I would suggest swapping hands for something else as you already have zamazenta

maybe kingambit because you don't have a ghost resist

[quick bluff]

i’ve usually solved that by pivoting into molt/dnite but yeah

this is something i have noticed

can definitely swap hands for tusk or gambit

[calm ether]

https://pokepast.es/19325914be71f50d suggestions?

[spiral fable]

dont have a manual setter in amoonguss, honestly you could drop it entirely for another sun abuser ie bonnet or moth

bulk up defensive tusk doesn't fit here, plus torkoal is already spinning so idk why you need it, either switch it to offensive or drop it

[elder forge]

https://pokepast.es/20bd301b0279eb9b looking to swap out Roaring Mid with something else, what to do?

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[carmine spire]

iron moth or ambit?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/678a60f03b198086

tbh just use vert sun, its like the best sun team out there

[elder forge]

are there that little options?

[spiral fable]

vert sun is just the best

and your team is alreayd pretty similar

[unkempt palm]

rate my team
https://pokepast.es/cea53742a7e789d2

it's a boltbeam baxcalibur team

it's hyper offense

but i dont know who to replace iron val with

val just doesnt work with my team

[spiral fable]

Frankly bolt beam bax sucks cuz you’ll hit all your targets anyways with eq glaive and crash, swap it for standard ddance

I would recommend taunt over spirit break on Grimm, swap lefties for boots on bax, drop tusk entirely for hisuian samurott, run encore Val, and run a non speced special attacker like cm enamorus

[barren escarp]

i made a sun team !
https://pokepast.es/a9bae49501864b2a

is it any good?

i might replace moltres but i want something to switch in for ground types

[velvet ravine]

yo can yall help my drag mag team

https://pokepast.es/81c534aef74be956

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[velvet ravine]

i find that dee snider and mark mendoza can set up and sweep on some very common ou pokemon

dee snider sets up on most rotom wash for free and can snowball crazy

[cedar gyro]

https://pokepast.es/ac95ae7e606b55d4

Guys i try to do an electric spam team but i don’t know how to do it

[forest magnet]

@spiral fable

which one will you do

i'll do the other one

[spiral fable]

I’ll do drag mag first

[spiral fable]

Drag mag isn’t really viable this generation: the best steel types are gholdengo and gambit, the latter of which isn’t switching in on any dragons anyways, and the former is able to switch out for free. What’s stopping drag mag is actually the fairies, val and enamorus, both of which pack enough coverage to shred magnezone

Tinkaton isn’t that good of a hazard setter either: hisuian samurott or glimmora are better leads, especially for your ho team

[forest magnet]

well there are alot of fire types which is smart bc you are getting rid of their weaknesses, but you have like no offence compared to a normal sun team

i would say swap moltres, cerulege for somthing more offensive and less passive, becuase you want to make the most out of your sun turns

[spiral fable]

You have four physical threats, three of which require set up, and not a single one can break through dozo

[forest magnet]

maybe swap moltres for a ground type, Great Tusk

and swap cerulege for iron moth

[forest magnet]

well there are alot of ways for eletic spam to go. the thing i had in mind was terrain for some reason

[cedar gyro]

Yeah but there isnt toko

[spiral fable]

If you really want to make dragon spam work, I would drop magnezone for scarf gholdengo, drop tinkaton for another suicide lead like samurott or glimmora, run Tera flying acrobatics moon, drop dnite for booster wake, swap out sub for eq on bax, and drop pult for maybe enamorus or val, alternatively you could keep dnite on and swap pult for wake if you really want to keep that drag mag core but you're going to struggle hard against dozo then so i would recommend dropping pult for another special attacker

[forest magnet]

yeah, thats really tough

the best we can go for is pincursiion

[cedar gyro]

Yup 🤣

[forest magnet]

*Pincurchin

[forest magnet]

yeah so imma just make some suggestions based on your team not ele terrain

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/3c18111e33666aa9

alr i just swapped wash for gren, hits harder as an offensive water type, and can sweep if it gets a kill, also synergizes well with hazards

made the sandy shocks set a booster set, we are going to make this team more of an ho

made the gholdengo for defensive, its now more of a support role to better keep hazards up

and also just swapped earth power on glimm for power jem to suprise the birds

no earth power means that you can just lead gren if you think they are going to lead glimm

[barren escarp]

i already swapped moltres for tusk, and thanks

ill mame an iron moth tomorrow

make

make

[forest magnet]

i'll send u a paste rq

https://pokepast.es/1d24b3b652e025f2

sorry for the delay

[barren escarp]

alright thanks!

[ivory willow]

https://pokepast.es/9ffff7f1a3eec19a

What think of team? I went with Gastry since seemed good typing and he got rocks now. Have hard time with Clodsire though, any rec changes or just skill issue?

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[forest magnet]

I would suggest swapping gastro for great tusk

i mean this all looks pretty standard/solid so yeah thats what I would suggest

[ivory willow]

I see, not too bad vs Wake or Bax?

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/9b35c4e8257b4c40

there just made some minor changes

tera types, and stuff

[spiral fable]

what's their answer to wake

booster wake

[forest magnet]

dragapult

[spiral fable]

the agility in question

[forest magnet]

yeah don't let it agility

and if you do, then slowking deals w it

[spiral fable]

slowking gets 2hkoed

with any slight amount of chip its guarenteed 2hkoed

[ivory willow]

Yea that why wanted Gastry cos fast wake too 💀

[spiral fable]

gastry is still bad ill back matte up on that

[forest magnet]

alr i'll just build around gastro

[spiral fable]

but why not av gking

[forest magnet]

weather control

[ivory willow]

And chilling pivot

Maybe jus don let wake agility for free

[spiral fable]

i mean taht's hard with your team

ace and tusk are both free agilities

[forest magnet]

tbh i suggest swapping ace for smtn else

[ivory willow]

Ace has been good for Gholdengo

[forest magnet]

bc hazard controll is p good alr + u have hazards of ur own

[forest magnet]

zapdos + kingambit alr deal w it

[ivory willow]

and for Hazard control

since no Tusk

💀

Maybe can skip spin on Tusk?

for CC?

[forest magnet]

why is azu kinda good

[ivory willow]

Azu?

[forest magnet]

sorry im thinking out loud

[ivory willow]

Gholdengo Sball do lot to Zap

[forest magnet]

gambit + zap

[ivory willow]

Also Ace help deal with Iron Val

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/12d92387bbdf4af5

[spiral fable]

val is already dealt with by zap

[forest magnet]

tbh just play cautious

tera water slowking to take a hit then d pulse 2hkos

thats 3 hits

[ivory willow]

True

and if not Agility can use Pult to kill

[forest magnet]

exactly

sludge is like a 2-3hko

lemme run some calcs

yeah 3hko

so you force no agility

so you either kill it or force sucker mindgames

[ivory willow]

Is Tera Fairy Pult worth for wake?

[spiral fable]

up to you, gives some defensive utility against gambit and wake

[forest magnet]

you have gambit alr

its good

[ivory willow]

True Gambit alr fairy

How bout vs Ting Lu?

Guess can wear down

If no Rest

[clever hedge]

https://pokepast.es/8950da1e120c54b1

[forest magnet]

tera fairy gambit blast

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/1488ba1c4091d83c

swapped meow for samu, samu always beats meow (sacred into aqua jet)

made kingambit tera blast fairy and as moltres isn't an issue bc you have lycanrock

and knock off over ice spinner because again, you a pretty good into the birds

moltres is counted by zapdos and lycanrock

and zapdos is counted by zapdos

p good alr

[ivory willow]

Discharge you think better than Heat Wave for Zap?

[forest magnet]

yeah, its better so that you can punish slowking on switchin w para

u have cinder alr gtoo

[ivory willow]

I see I see

Yea def feels strong

Zap kinda broken, handle everything

I hate going vs zap

[ivory willow]

Do Tusk deal with Clod?

I hate stupid derp mudfish

[spiral fable]

yes

[forest magnet]

great tusl

[ivory willow]

How Zap counter by Zap

Only thing I can deal with Zap is Pult

[spiral fable]

i mean zap really isn't a threat against your team

gking can just switch in and trade attacks with it

[ivory willow]

Oh

[sly mauve]

Help
https://pokepast.es/69e6baf5cb3fadb9

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[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/498bb6973b592304

swapped dnite for bax, made gold for defensive, tweaked the evs and set on glowking a bit to better live phys hits.

pretty solid team alr :)

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/a67b105f6bdcd274

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[forest magnet]

did you make this urself?

i swear there was a team that looked like this

[velvet path]

yea

[velvet path]

probaly is

[forest magnet]

i mean i can't suggest much pretty solid team

https://pokepast.es/4fa8dfc0f4475002

just made some minor ev changes and made samu sash

[night kelp]

i rly struggle playing 9g OU, idk why. does someone have an advice on this https://pokepast.es/5d4669fc7b28a2cc

[forest magnet]

i would suggest changing ur combo of walls

this team looks solid in concept, but the mons that are rlly meta rn do well into alot of them