[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[forest magnet]

why is bro running inner focus dragonite

the members are alright but the sets are wacky asf

not to be rude tho

[still perch]

What is a sample set? I just started and tried to make what was better with my limited knowledge : (

[strong vapor]

https://pokepast.es/d8a195a487608971

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

pretty solid team already, just run defensive tusk over offensive and run specs dragapult over whatever you are running.

[forest magnet]

its alr man

its kinda all over the place so i don't know where to start.

u want to change the sets?

or team

bc its a ok team alr

just sets wacky

[still perch]

https://pokepast.es/92626522cc2eeeee I improved it a bit

[strong vapor]

https://pokepast.es/d874bb46f0341424

[still perch]

Tbh, as I’m learning, I just wanna know why the things that don’t work or don’t make sense don’t work or make sense, so to speak

But I’m not against changing some mons as long as I know the why

[strong vapor]

run lead hisuian samurott maybe

[forest magnet]

alr i'll help you

just gimmie a minute

[still perch]

Thx!

[strong vapor]

I think you can try using lead hisuian samurott, so that you can try to use bulky dragon dance dragonite like this:

Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 144 HP / 252 Atk / 112 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Extreme Speed
• Earthquake
• Roost

[still perch]

I like starting with amoonguss to use spore, is that a bad idea?

[still perch]

I see

[forest magnet]

you have the right idea, but defence curl is not good at all

[strong vapor]

No offense but, you're amoonguss set needs to have like this:

Amoonguss @ Red Card
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD
Bold Nature

• Spore
• Giga Drain
• Sludge Bomb
• Clear Smog

You can use red card from extreme speed tera normal dragonite

If I remember...

[still perch]

He doesn’t have it anymore, this is the new team https://pokepast.es/92626522cc2eeeee

He now has sludge bomb, foul play, spore and giga drain

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/027793aad3de4ead

@still perch

this is much better.

zama is better as a phys setup, can take lots of hits from weakened teams without a spa attacker.

(eg you killed it)

[forest magnet]

evs are a bit weird, I fixed them

i made samurott swords dance, crit is inconsistent.

made zap defensive, it can now take hits better

mons are now invested into their rolls instead of evs being spread out (random stuff in spd)

[still perch]

I see, thx! I’m still getting the hang out of EVs

(Too bad I really like Mimikyu

[fresh creek]

https://pokepast.es/3268215437a3ed1c hey, I'm a returning player who hasn't played much since gen 7. This is my first teambuild going into gen 9 mostly consisting of pokemon that looked to be good in the tier that seemed to have good synergy on paper. Would love some feedback!

[naive stirrup]

Sub DD Bax better here with tera ground. But @forest magnet this is good tbh

Btw my team got destroyed by heatran

[fresh creek]

thanks for the recommendation, also I forgot to change the zapdos ability to static

[naive stirrup]

Btw the team got destroyed by heatran, Spdef washtom better here if anyone wants to steal this hehe

[surreal raven]

https://pokepast.es/2a13f696a5bb651b how do i use this team?? i forgot

[fallen shale]

you see samurott on the enemy team and you lead zamazenta, praying they do lead with it

then you click buttons until you win

[surreal raven]

sick

i've been leading with enam if i see a hamurott 😭

[forest magnet]

? no

if you switch into lando, it forces tera grass or other tera

then its weak

if not just eq it

[forest magnet]

nice team for a returning player!

you have some knowlege of synergies with pokemon.

[surreal raven]

Oh yeah! This team has some pretty bad matchups lately since i haven't played in a while, any recommendations on what i should do + how i should use them

[forest magnet]

tbh i wouldn't say use this team

there are much better HO screens teams

this team folds to any fairy type especally enamorus.

[surreal raven]

what should i do

i got tilted like hell today

[forest magnet]

lemme find a ho team

[surreal raven]

it instantly loses to dozo, so i'm trying to find a new team to build around

i tried sun and tr spam but i really, really couldnt get them to work at all

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/fab0d3880432a1ef

@surreal raven

it doesn't feature screens, but hazards

it forces tusk/hazard removal in

then you can just setup w sweepers

[surreal raven]

e-speedless dnite is new for me 😭

[forest magnet]

i gtg

[forest magnet]

lmao you can change the dragnoite set.

[surreal raven]

hmm

[forest magnet]

change it to like bulky set

[surreal raven]

i think i want to do bulky offense again

i just don't know where to start

also, the team doesn't have any spinblockers which honestly kind of makes me a little hbffbbfbf

[sly mauve]

I'm weak against Dondozo

[forest magnet]

don't use lead meow

use scarf or pivot

[sly mauve]

My team is pretty fast already so maybe not scarf

[forest magnet]

pivot

heavy duty boots

[forest magnet]

Meowscarada (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Flower Trick
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Thunder Punch

[sly mauve]

I need hazards though. I am hyper offense.

[forest magnet]

2 u-turners are good

it give you more momentum which can further enable ur offence

[fierce basin]

I think sash meow is fine on this team. I don't see the point in boots uturn when he has no switchins to uturn to

[sly mauve]

The main reason gholdengo is on the team is to block defog and rapid spin. If hazards are gone, then gholdengo's place in the team is in question

[forest magnet]

well if you want to keep the hazard stack approach, i think glimorra would be much better.

[sly mauve]

If glimmora is on the team, how do I touch bozo?

[fierce basin]

I actually recognize these nicks cause I just finished szn 2 of MiA. I honestly don't think ur weak to dozo w pult, recover ghold and encore val

[forest magnet]

yeah

encore is good

i think you might want to go to spa val

handes dozo a bit getter

[sly mauve]

i might just be bad. You like my nicknames?

[fierce basin]

Same I think if ur having issues w dozo the easiest change is prob special attacking val and it doesn't rly mess w the team too much

I do think ur current set is fine tho

Fwiw

[sly mauve]

ty

[sly mauve]

Zamazenta kind of overpowered

[forest magnet]

great team, I think that the mons don't really mesh together tho.

lemme make some changes tho

i'll explain them as well

[forest magnet]

could you send me the pokepaste?

its kinda tough to import ur team

nvm

don't run life orb on enam too

[sly mauve]

thank you very much. These mons don't mesh together? There isn't much type overlap.

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/e0d53a7b763e8d61

there ya go

i make gambit more offensive, so it is a cleaner

enamorus is now sub

can deal with pirotry better

tera eletric is better on zama for zapdos.

[sly mauve]

yeah zapdos is a problem

[forest magnet]

u can deal with moltres with ursaluna

[sly mauve]

Moltres isnt that common

I like how this team is so bulky

ty

[forest magnet]

np

[viral sable]

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[ruby crest]

This thread is for ou teams

[forest magnet]

@ruby crest i got it

but just for advice, where to send ppl for uu

[storm isle]

my bad yall

[forest magnet]

its good

@ruby crest

sorry for the double ping, just wanna make sure u see it

[ruby crest]

No it’s all good was about to redirect them as well

[sly mauve]

Rate my team?

[forest magnet]

i just made this team for you

want do you want to change?

also please send the pokepaste link

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/43036b43192fa7cc

[forest magnet]

bro

i already helped u

[forest magnet]

@sly mauve

[sly mauve]

bro 😭

[ruby crest]

Fwiw don’t repost a rated team unless you are asking to improve any certain mu that you are attempting to improve

Then again this team is wayyyy to similar to njnp sample team

[forest magnet]

is there a rule abt reposting?

[sly mauve]

I made it to 1300

[sly mauve]

They do look very similar

[forest magnet]

just please don't repost teams

i alr helped u with it.

[ruby crest]

Haven’t checked the rules in a min tho it is rather “rude” for raters seen a team they finished rating asking to get rated like I said if it’s to attempting improve certain things it’s fine, tho the way it was done is like do a full rate again

[forest magnet]

alr

[sly mauve]

idk im always trying to improve my teams

[ruby crest]

And that’s fine we always are tho sometimes a team can only go so far with certain changes which can lead to a full rework in other cases wanting to “improve”

[sly mauve]

I think sometimes getting new eyes on a team can be helpful

[forest magnet]

yes, but reposting teams is not really good. if you want to further improve a team (eg. matchup) just dm me

[sly mauve]

thank you

[surreal raven]

can someone send me some zama teams? I made one a while back that performed very well but the entire team flops to valiant, enam, and dozo

[hot grail]

rmt is for requesting feedback on finished teams only, sample teams are here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/ if you need teams

[subtle rose]

!samples

!svsamples

:(

[real willow]

[still perch]

Tried doing a rain team, what could be improved?

[sly mauve]

[still perch]

(Guys, im new, please don’t bully me too hard)

[real willow]

Ok so

I'm not 100% sure on how good the Pokemon choices are

But the movesets can be improved

Would also recommend

!pokepaste

[viral sable]

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You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
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[real willow]

For sharing teams with others

[still perch]

I see

https://pokepast.es/b8e0910a2a7b6d51

[viral sable]

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[still perch]

What would you change if you had to keep the core of the team?

[real willow]

Let's see

I like SpDef Clodsire + PhysDef Zapdos to start with

Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Water
Careful Nature
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
- Recover
- Earthquake

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Timid Nature
- Roost
- Volt Switch
- Hurricane
- Discharge

Zapdos sample has Volt Switch but generally I prefer U-turn since it won't get blocked by Ground types like Landorus Therian and Great Tusk

Alternatively, Zapdos can trade out the pivot move for Defog, but I don't think that will be helpful

Next, if we want to keep with Rain, I'd look at the analysis for Pelipper

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/pelipper/

Could also run a Choice Scarf set on Peli but is very vulnerable to Stealth Rocks and the rest of the team will likely not have hazard removal

I don't think Rotom-Wash fits well enough here since it can be passive at times and Clod and Zapdos (and even Peli) provide plenty of defensive utility

As your water type wallbreaker, I'd recommend Choice Specs Walking Wake

Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Water
Timid Nature
- Hydro Steam
- Flamethrower
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse

It, unlike Volcanion, is not weak to Stealth Rock, has better STABs, and is more reliable into opposing Sun teams. Volcanion is not bad, but Wake is probably better

Although I guess you can run an effective Agility set as well

Now, you have 4 slots and still want more offense

Samurott-Hisui seems like a fine fit

Go with either Choice Scarf or Swords Dance and spam Ceaseless Edge to high heaven

And Kingambit is kinda broken

Plus your team handles its common checks very well

Alternatively, other good stuffs mons like Booster Valiant, Enamorus, Offensive Great Tusk, Gholdengo, Dragapult, or Baxcalibur can also work

[still perch]

Mmm, i feel I get destroyed by any grass type, that was why I had gunk shot , is Toxic worth it?

[naive stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/4f735fbb9e38b6dc Azumarill HO

@forest magnet

[dawn flicker]

I've got this BO team, any changes I could make to get a better MU against gambit?
https://pokepast.es/2d05a9a6d0407a26

[sly mauve]

Moltres already looks really good against gambit. Iron Treads also helps.

[vernal prism]

https://pokepast.es/40674900e925fd39 someone on the OU server recommended SD bax here, where before I had banded hoopa-u. I'm doing a lot worse now, and I'm not sure if I'm playing worse, or if there's some other issue I'm missing

[viral sable]

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[ruby crest]

what exactly is it that you are struggling with that makes it perform less

[vernal prism]

I'm finding that I'm having a lot more trouble breaking defensive cores, especially clod+dondozo ones, where I get chipped down long before they're anywhere close to breaking, and I'm also finding the speed control isn't enough to stop stuff like dd bax and similar sweepers from terastalizing and winning, although that was also a vulnerability that the earlier version had

[ruby crest]

i see how you can sturggle with these well in this case do gknot amoong > giga, foul play > clear smog, do offensive zappy > defensive, tera dragon > ghost on pult, replace heatran with kingambit this vastly improves ur ghost mu and a revenge killer with priority while also being able to flip the outcome of certain matches, doing this means you have to make great tusk ur rocker tho, and optional tho could be helpful if you feel gambit and pult ain't enough for revenge killing but you can do booster energy mixed iron val with dbond

[vernal prism]

I'll try those changes, ty

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/81be90a3ee58d4f1 here's an import of the team with changes

[sly mauve]

Great tusk as hazard setter and removal seems like role compression. I dont know anything though

[forest magnet]

@ruby crest i can help with the rest

i just woke up lol

[ruby crest]

all good

[sly mauve]

Oh matte is really good at this he can help

[forest magnet]

alr

[ruby crest]

its normal for some teams for tusk to be both rocker and spinner since its effective at checking what it needs and able to get and remove hazards up

[sly mauve]

ive never played pokemon before. okay!

[ruby crest]

its alright but now you know

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/3d5b5687a564c774

Gen 8 ou. Advice please?

new team i swear

[forest magnet]

i think that you need better hazard controll.

no hazard removal so azu and co will get chipped down (eg. vs glimmora)

[forest magnet]

these nicknames are golddd

[ruby crest]

this thread is for current gen ou, there's another thread for old gen ou formats

[sly mauve]

Oh i meant gen 9

[ruby crest]

yeah i was about to say

[forest magnet]

I would say to switch treads for tusk as a better mu vs gambit

tbh trick rotom wash is good alr

also you have moltres if wash goes down

[ruby crest]

this is not bad start for hazard stack ho, will say make this sash mixed attacker h samu with surf to pressure tusk and the occasional glimmora leads, make this offensive gambit max attk max speed with lum berry tera dark, great tusk could honestly be eject pack rocks spin dont really want shocks to be ur rocker for this ho especially how super reliant it can be with tera, doing this means we can do something like sd iron val > shocks, also optional tho you can consider covert on dengo if you feel garg mu is rough

[sly mauve]

shocks has rocks in case i can use them. they are not super necessary. shocks also helps against bulky waters

[ruby crest]

you dont necessarily struggle with bulky waters tbh esepcially with hazards up you are applying insane constant pressure against them

[sly mauve]

without shocks, how to i break dondozo?

[ruby crest]

closest thing is maybe dozo which you have encore iron val, knock users to ensure hdb is removed applying more pressure to it, even then it is going to be taking decent hits constantly forcing it to constantly use rest

annoying but def far from an instant lose

[sly mauve]

so sd encore valient replace shocks, mixed samurott, eject pack tusk with rapid spin, and offensive lum gambit?

[ruby crest]

yeh tho if you also feel that u wanna screw dozo even more you can opt for gknot > sub but even then i feel its unecessary

https://pokepast.es/af7132c4a84ca1fe heres an import of the team with changes

[sly mauve]

your too kind thank you.

[ruby crest]

oops change the 4 spd in h samu into spa, but yeha hope this helps u

nice references for the names btw

[sly mauve]

ty

[dawn flicker]

good idea, thanks
would a physdef set or BU set fit better into the team?

[forest magnet]

lemme get a set 4 u

[forest magnet]

real one (Great Tusk) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spe
Impish Nature

• Ice Spinner
• Earthquake
• Knock Off
• Rapid Spin

sorry i got distracted

[real willow]

Grass types aren't super common in SV OU (they're largely Tera types on Water weak mons), but even in that case, you have ways to pressure them with damage

[dawn flicker]

no worries, thanks for the help!

[sly mauve]

Amoongus

[real willow]

Ah

Well just absorb sleep with Peli and then throw Zapdos into it

[sly mauve]

Amoongus is rare and its the only grass in ou

[forest magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/meowscarada-no-nah-nope-gif-27519282

[real willow]

Yeah I think Meow is kinda annoying

For this team

[sly mauve]

Meow is a boy

[real willow]

Cuz the best Swift Swimmer available doesn't switch in at all

To it

Basically ur hope is to get it Toxic'd and outlast it

[sly mauve]

Meowscarada is my favorite pokemon from gen 9. I want to make a team with him

[real willow]

Could always play uu

Really good there I hear

Also decent in OU but you'd rather use Samurott Hisui

[sly mauve]

I dont think uu stabalized yet. Waiting for that to happen

[naive stirrup]

I was thinking of glimmora aside for Garchomp?

[vernal prism]

What are the EVs for on the zapdos? Trying to figure if I can justify moving some EVs over so I can outspeed offensive great tusk and unboosted baxcalibur

[ruby crest]

Speed is to be faster then non scarf h samu and hp helps for cb zama even more so if it Tera, rest is dump into spa

[forest magnet]

i think that would be better

faster

[naive stirrup]

Tbh it's 2 points slower than Chom0

But yeah, it's Ability stronks too plus it can poison opponents and having get rid of hazards too

[forest magnet]

no like the pace of game is faster

[naive stirrup]

Wdym.

[forest magnet]

glim dies in 2 turns

gets lots of hazards up

etc..

then u switch 2 sweeper

[naive stirrup]

Hmm though

[forest magnet]

like vs hamurott you just go glimm get hazards up

then belly drum azu if no dozo

[naive stirrup]

What if they lead chomp?

I mean the hazard chomp

Oh wait. Nvrmnd.

I am just concerned if they lead a hazard removal plus setter like great tusk or smth

[forest magnet]

val encores into spikes

[forest magnet]

energy ballin

[naive stirrup]

Turn 1?

[forest magnet]

yea

[naive stirrup]

That 2hkoes ryt?

[forest magnet]

thats like 85% of tusk's health gone

[naive stirrup]

Hmm ic ic

Even defensive tusk ig?

[forest magnet]

yea

its spd is ass

lemme fix ur team up rq

[naive stirrup]

Aight.

Thankss

[forest magnet]

then i'll explain the changes

[forest magnet]

np i'm always here to help

[naive stirrup]

Ill just love iron moth breaking early game so much

Plus Azu sweeping up the late with gambit

[forest magnet]

why tera dark on gold?

[naive stirrup]

Not sure. I forgot my reason lmao

[forest magnet]

alr

[forest magnet]

tbh idk how a feel about val

[naive stirrup]

I had my reason lmao i just forgot it

[naive stirrup]

Well Val is just my fastest mon though.

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/8cabcec2b9d93830

here

if you want to go 3 phys breaks

i made gambit more offensive

team is pretty good alr

although ground weakness is kinda tough on this team

[naive stirrup]

It's fine ig. This is HO so yeah. No worries

Thanks!

[forest magnet]

np

[naive stirrup]

Though u have second thoughts on val?

[forest magnet]

anything u wanna change?

[forest magnet]

not really

[naive stirrup]

Why

[forest magnet]

after some thinking, i think 3 phys breakers is good

gambit is so damn strong, azu forces tera or cripples walls and val is speed support

[naive stirrup]

Hmm aight. Thanks a lot

[naive stirrup]

Btw wut u recommend for ground immune?

I realized that ground problem now

Lmao

[forest magnet]

well air balloon is there

but

lemme think

maybe rotom for momentum

[naive stirrup]

Not sure wut flýing mon is best on HO

[forest magnet]

over gold

[naive stirrup]

Hmm scarf maybe?

[forest magnet]

or zap for para haz

*hax

[forest magnet]

yeah

[naive stirrup]

Is my Valiant MU btw is fine if removing ghold?

[forest magnet]

true

[forest magnet]

idk

shadow ball/knock off is tuff for gold

[naive stirrup]

Well booster, and scarf valiant outspeeds me

[naive stirrup]

Hmm ya

[naive stirrup]

Only speed tie with my own Valiant

And my valiant has no fairy move so it loses 1v1

[forest magnet]

yeah

[naive stirrup]

Though moth can switch into it hmm

[forest magnet]

phys is tuff

[naive stirrup]

I mean, it can't do anything against it

[forest magnet]

also physic moves

[naive stirrup]

Hmm bruh

Well specs valiant opt to run psychic moves

And scarf isn't

Maybe I'm fine

[forest magnet]

yeah

just play smart

play around it

[forest magnet]

tbh gold isn't needed for ho

[naive stirrup]

Hmm aight

I forgot I am HO

[forest magnet]

sacs momentum

[naive stirrup]

Well the sample has one iirc

The one with Wake

[forest magnet]

*isn't needed

u don't have 2

[naive stirrup]

Oki

So, Washtom
VSwitch
Hydro
Trick
Thunder Wave?

Max HP max speed?

Then scarf

[forest magnet]

lemme get a set

Rotom-Wash @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Volt Switch
• Hydro Pump
• Will-O-Wisp
• Thunder Wave

@naive stirrup

maybe trick over wisp

[naive stirrup]

Ya needed trick for passive mons

[forest magnet]

yeah trick over wisp

[copper fable]

https://pokepast.es/d0128c723cceb887
Building Niche mons is the most enjoyment I can get out of this tier, and this time it's Tyranitar.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ruby crest]

dont think you need both rotom-w and zappy on the same team tbh, sneasler is also lowkey unecessary here

[copper fable]

I Didn't have any better ideas for a Water lol

I'd rather keep Zap though since I usually bring it in hard on Tusk after it comes in on Ttar.

also because Zap is grossly good but shush

[ruby crest]

this team should be defensive zappy and then go like volcanion > washer then, and then something like booster iron val > sneasler

[copper fable]

Which booster valiant there's like 8

[ruby crest]

mixed

https://pokepast.es/9b2b88bf97fdea6c something like this dbond > tbolt is also an option

[minor shadow]

https://pokepast.es/cb4630ad0f2485f6
I feel like this team doesn't have synergy, but I don't know what to add. May someone assist.

[ruby crest]

you can also mess with colbur berry > hdb on glowking for those sd knock iron vals that arent sub

[weak fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/74b6c7921de7eb3b some ho team i made, any advice for building ho?

[sly mauve]

where are your hazards?

[formal mulch]

maybe doesnt want any entry hazard

[sly mauve]

tru

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/bdc5db129e593667

this team gets me girls ngl

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

okay chatot

[forest magnet]

||nicknames are really goofy||

[sly mauve]

okay

[forest magnet]

i think if you change that then the team will be good

[sly mauve]

OH? I made my first good team without help

[forest magnet]

oh i was joking

https://pokepast.es/e99dc5de6ffa7f1f

@sly mauve

i'll explain the changes if needed

[sly mauve]

please explain

[forest magnet]

i changed tusk and garg more defensive

scarf on meow to be faster

garg is curse now

zapdos from eletric to steel

for the ice resist

[sly mauve]

do you know who nanachi (my meowscarada) is?

[ruby crest]

No rocks is lowkey rough here especially since there no real immediate breaker

[sly mauve]

did i do better than matte???

[forest magnet]

nuh uh

[sly mauve]

my nicknames are better too

[forest magnet]

maybe rocks on tusk

[ruby crest]

Tho another issue I see is lack of water resist that isn’t pult and some checks for like enam and iron Val

[forest magnet]

amogus

over who tho

[sly mauve]

meow also resists water but it isnt very bulky either

we do lack checks for iron val and enam

[forest magnet]

amogus or moltres

[sly mauve]

replace meow with amongus?

[forest magnet]

i would say garg or meow

[sly mauve]

you really dont like stealth rocks

[ruby crest]

Since this team is built around meow I say keep it

[sly mauve]

tru

it is

[ruby crest]

Could do like molt > zappy and amog > gambit

Ask in #comp-general this thread is for rating teams only

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/df9c110fec7fcbab

is this better?

[forest magnet]

change tera on amogus to water

[sly mauve]

i always forget terra

[forest magnet]

also moltres to water

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/91ec78024d6c5f39 something like this

[sly mauve]

i think hurricane on moltres is better for this team

[ruby crest]

i disagree tbh most of canes target are either covered or aren't as important to be hit here tbh also moltres providing momentum is always nice

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/a621362cd1748fe9

@ruby crest

pls help me

nicknames + team

[ruby crest]

this is a solid start, not sure if you really need dnite here everything u need it for is covered by molt and amoog, could replace it with a garg gives u a better check to ghosts etc, could also do booster energy iron val tbh

[forest magnet]

alr

i just made a shit team in 5 mins

thx

[forest magnet]

can u help on the nicknames?

[ruby crest]

do foul play > clear smog on amoong

dengo and pult mu would still be annoying with garg so some extray way to pressure them without letting them get free turns is nice

[forest magnet]

can u give sets for them?

[ruby crest]

go crazy with em not the best when it comes with em

[forest magnet]

lmao i gave up after gren

[ruby crest]

wait this should be lefties rapin spin tusk

tho rocks would also be a lot better

[forest magnet]

on tusk or garg

what set 4 garg

[ruby crest]

tusk tbh

make garg curse

[forest magnet]

alr

[forest magnet]

should i go full bulk tusk?

bc i don't think that we need to outspeed much

no ice spinner on tusk is tuff

but molt always checks

[ruby crest]

uhh with garg pre tera you can take on a lot of the annoying stuff that would give tusk a headache and a lot of mons pressure them as well

[drowsy patrol]

https://pokepast.es/96616a59c24362da Its not my team it is a pokeaimmd team but i liked so much and i want tips to improve it to the new meta

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/dca80f0463be3d91 something like this @forest magnet

[ruby crest]

is this a home team?

i mean pre home*

[drowsy patrol]

yea

[ruby crest]

well fwiw one don't repost someone else's team and secondly this is an old team for an old metagame that ur better off building from scratch instead of attempting to make it better

[forest magnet]

if u really want to still use this team, replace clod for moltres and scovillan for somthing better lol

but i would say not too.

[drowsy patrol]

thanks

[shy elm]

Ever since home came out I’ve only played vgc and now I want to know if this team is good https://pokepast.es/3d66d8da117098f6

[forest magnet]

no its not.

decent tho :)

some sets are wacky

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/2a3ee4249a96f6a2

somthing like this would be better

good first team tho

[shy elm]

Thanks I’ll try it out

[forest magnet]

np

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/f729a1fcb60602b4

this is a serious team

im tired of rocks

my opponent just send stealth rocks on the field. oh thats cute

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/8992ff5703065d05

[sly mauve]

bro thats just a random ahh team

[forest magnet]

nah i just made it for u

[sly mauve]

oh!!!

its the bax chilly reception

TYSM!!!

still tired of hazards though

[forest magnet]

cinderace gets rid of them

+amogus for regen to ignore hazards

[sly mauve]

wow you were really considerate

[forest magnet]

idk if u just messin with me

[sly mauve]

no. thank you

[forest magnet]

don't use things that are weak to rock

[fallen shale]

or just spin

gholdengo is not nearly as prevant as it used to be

im rocking this tusk atm

Average Tusk (Great Tusk) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 100 HP / 156 Atk / 96 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Headlong Rush
• Close Combat
• Head Smash

It works pretty well as anti hazard

good atk investment is used to ohko dragapult

cc can be swapped off for stealth rock or knock off if youd like

@sly mauve

Though it depends on what team you're using

Its generally preferable to use a spinner or fogger than to put boots on everything and potentially miss out on leftovers recovery

[sly mauve]

I’m glad you are referring to me by my ladder rating. Thank you for the kind suggestion

[fallen shale]

lol

[delicate pike]

https://pokepast.es/2fc838b243e789ee

Gimme your wildest opinions. Do note Im not that high rated, so i take any criticism

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

decent team, but hazard controll is pretty easy

cinderace's tidy up works

and also you can just eq/ice spinner the ghost that is coming in on the spin block

great tusk set is a bit weird

some of the items are a bit weird

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-cinderace-pyro-ball-gif-20351442

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/1011bb59aed0df11

here is an improved team

i just changed the items + sets bc some of them where a bit weird

i made your tusk a full phys wall and also put some speed into it for things

like enamorus after one spin and gambit

ice spinner now bc you have hazards alr with ting-lu

[fallen shale]

head smash >

[forest magnet]

u do u

[forest magnet]

better 4 lando

[fallen shale]

True enough

I still like the extra power

[burnt hill]

https://pokepast.es/35fcf682904bb399 need some help with my team and possible replacments if anyone is able to

Trying to make a balanced team of stall and bulky attackers

[fierce basin]

Well sash glimmora doesn't really fit with this type of team since 1. You have plenty of sturdy switchins and 2. You can't prevent defog anyway. You're probably better off replacing it with dual hazards spdef ting lu on a team like this

[burnt hill]

Ok I can try that out

[fierce basin]

Also makes you less weak to electric

I agree w covert cloak on a team like this cause garg prob just salt cures everything, but I think slowking will still lose to a garg if it teras water. Might be worth trying cloak ghold instead, it also lets you block defog

Maybe with like tbolt make it rain plot recover to cover both fairy tera and water tera

[stone dagger]

https://pokepast.es/7a5d04f4a3ed7d26

kinda a like offensive balance team

[pastel seal]

https://pokepast.es/5b632e99ede7a4d2 any replacements or this team is good ?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[muted dirge]

this seems like sum weird semi stall of some sort

[burnt hill]

I was trying to have a little bit of it in there bc that’s my play style

[muted dirge]

is that what you're trying to aim for?

if so then we probably have to change the glimmora since it doesn't really fit there if you're trying to run semi-stall

[burnt hill]

I’m trying ting Lu but I really don’t like it

[fallow crag]

Put rocks on heatran, make lando calm mind, change pex to smth more offensive like hawlucha or even offensive zapdos

[muted dirge]

you can drop ting lu for Glimmora and one offensive mon for hoodra

[fallow crag]

You wanna try to play faster with rilla + sneasler

Pex doesn’t quite cut it

[muted dirge]

since hoodra doesn't really fit here, as you already have slowking & potentially Ting lu(If you added it) as special walls

[fallow crag]

I wouldn’t use hisuian goodra on any team

[burnt hill]

What’s a good replacement

[real willow]

Why not go offensive tusk + cm enam if you want a cmer?

Gives you a decent check to gambit

[muted dirge]

also I feel like

Iron defense corviknight probably fits this team better than defog corv

[burnt hill]

Ok

[muted dirge]

Because you might need help on Gambit MU

So run Iron defense body press gambit

[burnt hill]

Do tusk and iron defense?

[pastel seal]

what evs should I put on lando calm mind ?

[real willow]

My great tusk rec was for Stevy

[muted dirge]

I dont know, feel like corvi might be fine for Ursaluna copium as well

[pastel seal]

tusk instead of lando and enam cm instead on pex ?

[muted dirge]

speaking about Ursaluna, for hoodra replacement you should probably add either Luna or Valiant

Valiant if you need speed control, Luna If you want to break easier

[burnt hill]

Ok what is copium

[muted dirge]

but you have cinderace already, so I'm not sure if speed control is the worst thing

[muted dirge]

Cope essentially

[burnt hill]

Ooooo

[muted dirge]

Like coping with ursaluna

anyways I feel like ursaluna might be excellent, since you have slow pivots like slowking & corv

[burnt hill]

Ok I’ll try it out

Thank you

[real willow]

yes, either cm enamorus or cm booster valiant can work

[pastel seal]

Nice thanks for the advices 🙂

[burnt hill]

@muted dirge should I keep ting Lu

[muted dirge]

Ye

keep ting lu

[random wolf]

Any Tips? Its prolly more of a skill than team issue but I just dont know how to deal with Booster Val
https://pokepast.es/02278cff47446cc7

[forest magnet]

bro the names and the sprites not loading made me think hamurott was meowscrada

[random wolf]

Lmao

[forest magnet]

swap lando for moltres

[forest magnet]

hot cat (Moltres) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 220 SpD / 40 Spe
Calm Nature

• Flamethrower
• Will-O-Wisp
• U-turn
• Roost

u could go hurricane over wisp

but i think the thing above is the best set

[random wolf]

Alright
Will prob stick to Wisp

[forest magnet]

also don't use life orb on enam

[random wolf]

What do you suggest

[forest magnet]

i would say use boots or leftovers

[forest magnet]

ur set in kinda weird

maybe run a sub set

or scarf tbh

bc we took off lando

[random wolf]

Ig, superpower is prob unnecessary

[forest magnet]

would you say calm mind x sub or scarf

scarf would be nice for speed control

[random wolf]

Im new to this but am a fan of scarf
contrary has been overall nice for secondary effects and Enam feels a bit too frail for cute charm

[forest magnet]

alr

[random wolf]

I'll give Moltress a go, thanks

[forest magnet]

np

[burnt hill]

https://pokepast.es/0430ac3152d7591d sun team for ou not too sure about dragapult or roaring moon

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

don't use charzard use walking wake, use scream tail as a spd wall or slowking.

[burnt hill]

I thought walking wake was getting banned

[forest magnet]

also swap clear smog on torkal for yawn

[forest magnet]

no bro

[burnt hill]

Ooo

[forest magnet]

that was like 4ish months ago lol

[burnt hill]

What’s a good set for walking wake on sun team and who should I replace for slowking

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/fccf483eed54e923

all the changes i listed

[burnt hill]

Thank I appreciate it!

[forest magnet]

np

[fallow crag]

the lilligant should for sure be a great tusk

probably want smth like tera poison on scream tail

i like tera water on torkoal as well

[naive gust]

https://pokepast.es/fd40b2acb985e59c

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[strong vapor]

https://pokepast.es/4dc2255c7a7c39b1 rain team

[sly mauve]

Your team doesnt like toxapex

Also dondozo is a big problem for you

[forest magnet]

bro what

really messed up sets and items, mons don't mesh together

its alr

imma improve it rq

https://pokepast.es/225c9fbd51c259ff

[forest magnet]

team is pretty weak to kingambit, once it gets going then you can't really stop it

you just have to pray on status on zap and molt

but if they have lum or you get no procs then its over

also no hazard removal so once something is knocked off, its checking power gets much weaker

https://pokepast.es/ea14f0cdc75a803b @naive gust

[forest magnet]

quill isn't really good on this team

https://pokepast.es/1ebcb2ecd0e2dcba

swap quill for zapdos, will give better pivots and also made zap offensive

gave hurricane over flame on wake bc in rain its better.

yeah its my job

in pokemon?

or for gen 9 ou

on pokemon showdown?

or smogon

oh like 2 years

oh

click on ladder

then click on user lookup

and then search ur name

[strong vapor]

someone said that my team doesn't like toxapex or dondozo

zapdos is enough?

[forest magnet]

yes

[forest magnet]

don't listen to him he likes messing around

toxapex gets setup on by gambit

and dozo is KILLED by walking wake

thats good

[sly mauve]

I like messing around how?

[weak verge]

https://pokepast.es/e9477dfda6e4b8af

Did I cook or did I burn the kitchen?

[forest magnet]

i don't mean to be rude

[weak verge]

A team built around SpDef lock jaw DD roost roaring moon, with tera poison for enamorous and valiant, but mainly valiant

[forest magnet]

but there wasn't alot of cooking

[weak verge]

Hm any improvements?

[forest magnet]

cool concept

[weak verge]

Well thanks, that's something at least haha

[forest magnet]

lemme improve it rq

[weak verge]

Sure thing

[forest magnet]

sorry gimmie a min

i need to do smthn rq

[weak verge]

No worries take your time!

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/6af3127baf756d46

here

sorry for the wait

[weak verge]

It's very nice but lock jaw roaring moon was basically the only reason I made the original one haha

[fierce basin]

imo if you want to use trapper roaring moon you need to fit taunt on it, that way if you trap something like a dondozo you actually get +6 and beat it 1v1

but then you only have 1 move to sweep

u also need a nature on ur moon/heatran and evs on ur tran

[weak verge]

Yeah honestly dondozo is a very huge issue for this moon, I was hoping rillaboom and valiant's tbolt would help deal with that

Oh shit I must have fucked the paste

Moon was supposed to be careful nature to get SpDef proto

Heatran just the common heatran, didn't put much thought into it

[knotty cargo]

https://pokepast.es/8ca19d7769016d76 I heard corv is mid as fuck in this meta so I was wondering what I could replace him with, any suggestions? Also looking for any other problems with this team in general.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone dagger]

https://pokepast.es/7a5d04f4a3ed7d26

[rain gyro]

what is the zama spread outspeeding again

[knotty cargo]

I got the spread from the strategy dex

[rain gyro]

oh

i see

it gets 389 speed which i have no idea what it's for but s

[knotty cargo]

Oh wait it outspeeds modest pult

[rain gyro]

the other 20 evs just chilling there:

but i guess lmfao

[knotty cargo]

Idk man

[rain gyro]

well it needs 152 but

idk

ask smogon

@ruby crest do you know

[ruby crest]

What’s up ?

[rain gyro]

what does 168 speed jolly zama

outspeeds

like i don't know why you'd want exactly 389 speed

is it +1 dnite or like scarf adamant hoopa

idk

[ruby crest]

I think it’s +1 dnite

[rain gyro]

could be +1 dnite yea

that hits 388 with adamant

god knows though lmao

[ruby crest]

Yeah it

Is

[rain gyro]

i'm a genius

i can't believe i figured it out

lmao

[knotty cargo]

Wait so what about the team itself

[ruby crest]

Replace amoong with like cinderace and Corv with lando

[knotty cargo]

Which lando set do I use

[ruby crest]

Rocks

[knotty cargo]

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Stealth Rock
• Taunt
  this one?

[ruby crest]

ye

[fiery sapphire]

Kingambit black glasses with double hazards seems like itd be pretty good

[knotty cargo]

Court change being my only form of hazard removal is kinda awkward though

[ruby crest]

it will be alright

[sly mauve]

can someone help me out, i really suck at pokemon showdown and I built this team https://pokepast.es/dba10256a8e124d6, maybe colbur berry slowking?

[ruby crest]

yeah, do scarf enam > h samu, tera grass gking with colbur berry, tera water on great tusk and invest 80 speed into it this is to be faster then non scarf enam after a rapid spin, volcanion > moltres

[sly mauve]

ahh i forgot terra

on tusk

mind i ask why is terra grass used over water for slowking?

[ruby crest]

grass just has useful resistance removes the ground weakness, gives u a water resist and elec

[sly mauve]

could i put rocks on garg and make tusk leftovers + bulk up

ahh electric i see

[ruby crest]

you also dont get screwed over by mons that carry gknot that could still beat u like lando

[ruby crest]

hmm thats a possibility tho i like curse garg here

[sly mauve]

yeah i do too

maybe a rocks booster energy iron treads to beat zapdos

[ruby crest]

dont think u struggle with zappy tbh

[sly mauve]

it volts alot

[ruby crest]

you have a gking in the back and u can force mind games with tusk

[sly mauve]

i like the thought of switching in on volt getting up rocks for samurot tho rather than tusk who would only come in on mons which it counters

[fiery sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/d2109457bd9dcac5 this feels wrong but here is an attempt at double hazard kingambit Ho

[ruby crest]

well i even said h samu should be replaced here

[sly mauve]

ahh with enam yeah

enam lures in slowking so i like treads with terrastilise to beat bax

and i feel like treads can spin easier in this metagame

[ruby crest]

it doesnt

especially when zapdos and moltres are common defensive flyers for a lot of teams and even then going treads here will be bad since u need tusk otherwise ur mu against opposing gambits becomes non existent

[sly mauve]

yeah but thats the same for tusk too

im saying tusk has more brainwired switchins than treads

and i have fire type counters and ground type counters in the back

[ruby crest]

you benefit more with tusk here then tread

[sly mauve]

i can volt switch on zapdos

and get in enam and pressure

or smthn

[ruby crest]

most of the mons you would use treads to check other teammates cover

u need tusk here fwiw

[sly mauve]

what tusk variant?

[fiery sapphire]

@ruby crest if you arent too busy, could i get tips on this team?

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/15daf6bae99c7cc5 this is how the final version of the team should look

[ruby crest]

let me finish this up

[sly mauve]

ahh i like the volc

[sly mauve]

i could help! I dont know much tho

[fiery sapphire]

Alright, I'm all ears.

[sly mauve]

@fiery sapphire https://pokepast.es/7010f90c831be02c here are my changes:
-made glimmora dazzling gleam and earth power for lead samurott, tusk, meow, chomp etc.
-made kinggambit a new expiremental set (terra fairy ballon), in theory it should have the highest chance on setting up on baxcalibur and tusk for an instant win, if you play well, perfect for a fishy style like HO
-made samurott adamant so jet hits harder and good damage return from ceasless. Also changed razor shell to aqua cutter because it is non contact when hitting zapdos
-made enamorus into iron valiant as you can encore/revenge setup sweepers, no moonblast bc i figure that low ladder will stay in on glimmora with tusk and you just OKHO it, valiant serves as a good check to gambit's sucker punch and you can encore it into sucker
-made landorus into defensive bulk up great tusk as a defensive mon can really nice to have
-made golden into a cinderace bulky pivot as we have no pivots plus ace is good at beating webs/screens
-added a volcanion because walking wake is gonna be banned right after kinggambit + it hits hard doing like half to pult (terra ground to abuse zapdos to get a goob hit on something, even though terra is almost always king gambit

(updated terras)

• epic nicknames for the goob

• new shiest sets

[fiery sapphire]

The main problem with this is this team is mostly centered around double hazards, h samm + glimmora

[sly mauve]

not really

samu is a sweeper

hazards is a plus side

its main focus ias to be a heavy hitting team thats decent defensively

aka you stand a chance vs threats like gambit, bax, valiant, etc

[fiery sapphire]

No i mean the idea itself its based on hyper offense with double hazards

[sly mauve]

samurrott is an attacking mon

its supposed to sweep

like you get things low and u aqua jet\

it aids king gambit

[ruby crest]

hazards is the main thing for h samu a lot if not all the time

[fiery sapphire]

Ye, and I thought if we add glimmora then kingambit becomes even harder to deal with

[sly mauve]

valiant with encore easily beats gambit

plus u have tusk

gambit isnt an issue

and you want glim for t spikes

[fiery sapphire]

Thats not what I meant

I meant with glimm and h samm, you have double hazards and gambit breaks even easier. Enam is there for the ground immunity and fighting resist while tera fight beats out kingambit (incase the opponent goes tera flying because eventuality sub + super power just walls gambit)

The main idea got the team was using h samm and glimm to set up hazards but if they die it helps kingambit by setting up supreme overlord. If it isnt a good idea I'll try something else but it sounded like it could be cool.

[sly mauve]

you mean add spikes on glim

well unless u wanna get rid of mortal spin i guess but it seems redundant with samu

[fiery sapphire]

Are stealthrock and spikes both run on glimm at once?

[sly mauve]

no

well u can

but idk why you would with samurott

[ruby crest]

@fiery sapphire what is the team we are looking at

[fiery sapphire]

Its mostly based around glimm and H samm setting up hazards for kingambit to sweep later. It seemed like a cool idea.

[ruby crest]

hmm so hazard stack ho

hmm

[fiery sapphire]

Ye

[ruby crest]

in this case i would honestly do

sash h samu and eject pack tusk > glimmora

[sly mauve]

sash h would lure zap

for cheip

[fiery sapphire]

I was thinking about just using rock tusk and h samu. Is that the only change?

[sly mauve]

def not rocks tusk

[fiery sapphire]

Just spikes samm?

[sly mauve]

sash sam h

[ruby crest]

some other chnages honestly make this double dance enam, make this lefties tera ground enam not sure why u are using superpower in non contrary set, air balloon offensive dengo > defensive, and sd iron val > lando

[sly mauve]

dance?

[sly mauve]

wat are u looking at?

[sly mauve]

this is my edit

[fiery sapphire]

Enamourus, great tusk, h sam, iron valiant, gholdengo, kingambit

[sly mauve]

i dont see need for ghold tbh

i would rather slowking/volc/ace

[fiery sapphire]

Spin block

[sly mauve]

fair

[ruby crest]

https://pokepast.es/a40f7c79c650927f something like this

[sly mauve]

yeah this is good

[fiery sapphire]

Why surf over razor shell/aqua cutter?

[ruby crest]

lum berry is also an option > glasses

[ruby crest]

tusk

[sly mauve]

never use razor sheell

its contact

[fiery sapphire]

Alright cool, thx for the help

[sly mauve]

np!

[stone dagger]

https://pokepast.es/2344b94539582888 I've been winning games but like barely I was wondering what I could improve

[fierce basin]

Maybe make your dnite jolly so you out speed pult at +1, as pult currently out speeds all your guys

[stone dagger]

oh thats real

ive been playing around zamazenta to deal with pult

[forest magnet]

replace cerulege with somthin else

u alr have lilligant

sshocks

[forest magnet]

pivot

[sly mauve]

whats a good low ladder team, like a solid defensive offensive team?

[forest magnet]

sorry this is a rates page

[forest magnet]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

here are sample teams

very good for starters

[sly mauve]

is this set good lmao???
clefable (Gardevoir) @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Wish
• Teleport
• Moonblast
• Protect

[forest magnet]

no

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/d23f70fafd3c1003 just check it

xd

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest magnet]

sure

[sly mauve]

it takes suprisingly a little from special moves, can revenge all tusks 96% from headlong banded tusk MAX role

this thing is a little GOAT

and the team has suprise trick room

i might change to stored power cress tho

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/9c57be186de74d0c

this team is kinda whack

u have screens but nothing really to take advantage of

(bro toxapex ain't doin nothin)

i just made it more offensive

[sly mauve]

dude thats standard bs

xd

well not rlly

ursa isnt standard

https://pokepast.es/2cd1afcb54fb5d9d

this seems fine to me

ursa can easily get wished up from gardevoir

two rounds then cress

• its naturally good for screens

[forest magnet]

bc what u running isn't very good

[forest magnet]

yeah i'm improving it, but u do u

its ur team after all :0

[sly mauve]

nah dw ur fine i wanted to build around the gardevoir

i thought bringing back ursaluna which has a taking too much damage flaw

would be decent and fun

[forest magnet]

bro tbh just use scream

way better defensive stats

[forest magnet]

just make a standard tr team

with alot of healing wish

[sly mauve]

yeah but i didnt know a mon got wish and teleport

super sick

heres my first low ladder game with it xd https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1911550316

this random got super toxic

[forest magnet]

lmao why u talk shit at such a low rating

also the other guy

[sly mauve]

look at this "stall" i made lmao this is definetly ass but i goobed with it https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1911557106

gardevoir barely lives a +2 icicle crash from baxcalibur and eats an eq like a boss

[fallen shale]

https://pokepast.es/853a64027be664e7
Looking to improve this team

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fallen shale]

It mostly struggles against sun

And tera ghost garganacl

Offensive pult also an issue sometimes

Was thinking of maybe putting dnite off for iron valiant but unsure

[forest magnet]

pretty good team already

just stop making the tusk spread weird and just put all into speed defence and hp

[forest magnet]

knock off over close combat

[fallen shale]

Spdef is to reliably lead against glimmora and other stuff

surf samurott for example

speed is there to outspeed some stuff after a rapid spin i dont remember what

[forest magnet]

thats goofy

[fallen shale]

i refuse to make it 252 def because it then hits like a wet noodle

[forest magnet]

lemme get u a set then

[fallen shale]

If it cant ohko pult and gholdengo on the switch it just aint worth it

[forest magnet]

Average Tusk (Great Tusk) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 196 HP / 156 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Headlong Rush
• Close Combat
• Head Smash

[fallen shale]

why so much speed

[forest magnet]

Average Tusk (Great Tusk) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 196 HP / 156 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Headlong Rush
• Knock Off
• Head Smash

oops

[fallen shale]

whats 156 for

[forest magnet]

Average Tusk (Great Tusk) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 196 HP / 236 Atk / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Headlong Rush
• Knock Off
• Head Smash

there

[fallen shale]

Outspeeds pult after 2 spins

[forest magnet]

u did that silly

[fallen shale]

?

Oh

I may be stupid

Wasnt mine 96

[forest magnet]

nah

76 outspeeds enam after one spin

and outspeeds most moltres

[fallen shale]

Wow you're right lmfao

Thanks

[forest magnet]

np

[fallen shale]

uh here's another team not quite cutting it

[forest magnet]

r u french?

[fallen shale]

no

Its just a funny name

Je ne pa parler francais

https://pokepast.es/6b1a0ed5dd49abeb

[forest magnet]

oh hell naw nvm

[forest magnet]

i'm not done with the other team tho

i can rate the other once we done

[fallen shale]

Okay go ahead

[forest magnet]

change rotom to a spd wall

[fallen shale]

also no need to reply so much im right here brother

[forest magnet]

oh thats just how i text lol

also so u get the context

[fallen shale]

Spdef rotom for zapdos?

I dont think its good enough to be a general spdef wall

also the defense is really nice vs tusk

[forest magnet]

well your team is clapped by spa attacks

[fallen shale]

That is true

[forest magnet]

no u don't want 3 ice weak

[forest magnet]

https://pokepast.es/25dfac6f20c88aa7

[fallen shale]

No i meant

[forest magnet]

here is your team with all the changes

[fallen shale]

Spdef rotom for (walling) zapdos

[forest magnet]

oh yeah

do u like the changes? i can explain them

[fallen shale]

Id like to know what the speed evs on gambit are for

@forest magnet

[forest magnet]

lmao i didn't change the speed evs at all

that was urs

[fallen shale]

i may have dementia

[forest magnet]

[fallen shale]

what the fuck

[forest magnet]

its alr

[fallen shale]

Sorry lmao

Now im left wondering what the fuck thats there for

Teambuilder notes when

[forest magnet]

it says min speed corv

on smogon

like if they drop speed evs to and ivs to 0

[valid lichen]

https://pokepast.es/57ce8e19bdca65bd

Since I saw the new gambit test, I made this quick rain team with Greninja. Is this good? (Gren has a lot of trouble with most pexs I found on ladder)

[quasi compass]

for the suspect test but also the team is just generally good

https://pokepast.es/4b1d39f5b010a265

[fallen shale]

@forest magnet did you see the 2nd one

[valid lichen]

Who do I ping for the SV OU rates? I'ts been a long time since Ive been here

[cobalt shadow]

Just post ur team here and the chatot bot will automatically ping the sv ou raters

It does have a cooldown of 6 hours tho

[valid lichen]

Ok, so I just wait now then

[dry viper]

https://pokepast.es/78b68e88f857246d

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @green citrus, @severe shard, @west harbor, @forest magnet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dry viper]

i need to optimize my team

[fallen shale]

Might wanna use tusk instead of glimmora for hazards, considering you have 2 sashes itd probably be better to keep hazards off alongside torkoal, who also needs longevity and is rock weak. If you feel like this is unnecessary replace it for a different sun abuser like roaring moon but id personally opt for something special since you lack it a lot

Lilligant is hard walled by zapdos (this is particularly bad for the rain matchup) and not too great matched vs moltres

Make walking wake specs. Protosynthesis is only a 1.3x spa boost but 1.5x to speed, and its speed tier on its own is fine enough to go with it without the boost

[rain gyro]

Yeah, specs wake with 244 SpA instead of 252 gives you proto Speed, which ends up on the same Speed with higher SpA (compared to scarf)

OR you can go proto SpA + specs and nuke everything at the cost of speed

[fallen shale]

yeah thats also an option but generally you dont want to run at the sight of boostless valiant, rm and dragapult

Giving those guys turns is a bad thing

[naive gust]

I just saw this, was offline for a bit since then, was curious as to why IronPress Corv wouldn't work as a way to deal with the issues you explained above

I'm not super experienced in comp, so I'm curious

[forest magnet]

more momentum

better for slower teams

[naive gust]

That makes more sense then

Thank you

[forest magnet]

send i was in real life

[forest magnet]

nuh uh

[forest magnet]

don't use this

its pretty gimicky

no hazard removal expect for tokal but you don't want it getting to damaged

(no hatt)

[quasi compass]

v helpful

[forest magnet]

also i think glimm is bad on a sun team bc you mostly lead tokal

[dry viper]

shit true

[forest magnet]

gimmie a sec

i mean this team hates gambit

so thats cool

[quasi compass]

yea pretty much

i think every mon on the team 1v1s gambit

[forest magnet]

get rid of it for better mon

[quasi compass]

how could i improve it tho

[dry viper]

great tusk was another one i was recommended

[forest magnet]

yeah

more utlity

[dry viper]

i mean it gets boosted by sun too actually

[forest magnet]

also swap cerulege for walking moon

bc u have lilligant

[dry viper]

roaring moon?

[forest magnet]

i don't think scarf tusk is good on this team

[forest magnet]

oops (yeah)

[quasi compass]

yeah fair

I needed speed ctrl and hazard removal but the role condensing makes it very prediction reliant

[forest magnet]

also heat wave isn't needed on zapdos

discharge is better

bc u have molt

also tera on Chesnaught should be changed to steel