#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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green citrus
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also try dragon on corv, nice answer to shit like volc

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alsoooooooo u might not want court change on your dual hazard stacking balance team but idk

graceful pivot
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Curse Earthquake right?

green citrus
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ye

graceful pivot
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Also doesn't flying gambit beat tusk

graceful pivot
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Any more suggestions btw? Somehow I feel it isn't good enough

static crow
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Flying gambit is my personal choice for Tera

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If you can fit Tera blast on it it can catch tusk off guard really well

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But gambit wants a lot of moves so you'll have to give up something if you wanna go that route

winter lichen
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Moko

graceful pivot
proven hare
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@green citrus if you can have a look

green citrus
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honestly looks solid, is slowking encessary tho

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isnt ur weather MU fine

proven hare
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Nah
Wake is a bitch

green citrus
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u have speed moon + scarf valiant

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i think its fine

proven hare
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Slowking was one of the points of the team
FS + Moon, Joe is not wallable at all

green citrus
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btw u can make tusk cc > knock, idk if u want have knock w/double trick

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and headlong means u can rly eject out on rotom/corv/dnite etc

proven hare
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Valiant too

proven hare
edgy solar
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https://pokepast.es/80e0d4463f385bfc

So, i'm needing some suggestions on what to change on it, the things i'm not really liking are the tera types, but suggestions on mons for a sun team is also good

proven hare
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Same for Moon

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Booster does the same thing

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And does not hurt with recoil

edgy solar
proven hare
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That's the thing about Wake in sun

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You don't need to switch out

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Just Spam Hydro Steam all day

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And Draco if you predict something like Slowking or Water Absorb Clod

rose hinge
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how is this

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proven hare
pulsar geyser
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kinda wanna use this on a reqs run, dont know if its good enough. ive found some success around 1500-1600 but idk if its actually a good team

real willow
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ok so I actually stole this team and played w/ it a bit

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I personally don't like dual wake switchins cuz you don't need both

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esp w/ scarf valiant

real willow
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also I kinda realized that moth kinda sweeps ur team

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well both moths

subtle rose
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Fire Tusk

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I think amogus here is more

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of a check to

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val

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then it is of the other thing

subtle rose
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but w one fire tera mon + bax u shouldnt be losing to

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mothorona

dry edge
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I mention this instead of another Fairy resist like Skeledirge cause Corvi also provides a Ground immunity which can be nice

real willow
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imo it's fine for the sus test but idt it's a great team to bring to tour

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@subtle rose should I just bring cookie cutter sun for tour?

subtle rose
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graceful pivot
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I had Choice Specs DNite before but someone told not to run it

empty mantle
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🦩

graceful pivot
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Just for the lols

empty mantle
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I honestly don’t see any issues beside roost dragonite

graceful pivot
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Roost Dragonite is good wdm

empty mantle
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I prefer dragon claw over it so I’m not walled by air ballon gholdengo

empty mantle
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Even then I don’t think you’re team cares about ghold so it’s fine

real willow
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https://pokepast.es/695e89f625b4412f
Rudimentary idea that has Iron moth lure clodsire for Wake and Valiant
Valiant can also Trick Scarf onto Clodsire and make it vulnerable to repeated attacks
I also have a version w Psyshock on Valiant over Tbolt but not super necessary
I kinda wish I didn't have to run both Corv and Garg on the team together, but w/o Corv I become vulnerable to Iron Valiant and Dragapult

rose hinge
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I'll add corv quickly

copper current
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https://pokepast.es/fef277b0fc60d0e7
I've been playing this balanced team since before the bans, I think the bans made it a much stronger team, I struggled with everything that's been banned except cyclizar, but a few things stick out as problems:

  • Two walls take SE from ground
  • Iron Valiant's coverage is somehow underwhelming this gen
  • Toxapex is really great... until it isn't, doesn't seem to wall enough of the metagame

My favorite things about this team:

  • Skeledirge/corviknight both can set up if someone tries to outstall or set up on them
  • Gholdenego lure corviknight
  • Don't care about setting hazards, just clearing them
  • Scarfpult/bandscarada are both great leads, whichever outspeeds the whole team gives me at least a free u-turn
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sly mauve
fringe patrol
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That one is the trick room so how should I improve

static crow
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i dont see the point of ice rock on slowking since the ice doesnt really benefit the team overall, id personally run covert cloak

if it is run, its usually for a king+bax core

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also theres three rocks setters, which is fine, but id personally remove torkoal, which is usually run for the sun support

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the sun doesnt really benefit your own team and can enable opposing walking wakes

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bulk up corv or band gambit would be my recommendation

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former helps with tusk and forms a good core with ting lu, latter gives you more immediate power under trick room so you dont waste turns setting up

frozen hinge
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@silk prawn put it in a pokepaste like everyone else

silk prawn
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trim needle
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I made this team in like 10 minutes and I like the base but i feel like i lack really important coverage and options to deal with some threats

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keep hydreigon plz

icy idol
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dry edge
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How have you been doing against Skele? Seems like it could be a bit rough in practice

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Also whats Tera Steel on Azu for btw?

icy idol
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azu can deal with skele

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i wanted a good defensive type for azu

dry edge
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Azu just gets wisped though since its slower

icy idol
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should i use tera water on azu for skele

dry edge
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Doubt it, it just gets wisped too and can't do much if Skele teras

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tbh I dont think Skele is a bad mu lmao

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it might just be annoying, thats all

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since the physical attackers get hella crippled and the special ones are weak to it

icy idol
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would garg be a good replacement for kingambit?

dry edge
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Maybe since it keeps the Ghost resistance

static crow
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You could do fire Tera to avoid wisp? Although I don't think it's worth running over steel just for dirge

odd depot
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I may also need a steel type

dry edge
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it just comes in and gets kills

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Have you played with the Teras other than Dnite's

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?

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They are all the default

odd depot
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No I haven't even tested it to classes

dry edge
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Oh I see. Well ya maybe after you test it. You can maybe try Skele > Zoroark. I think the 2 special attackers with Valiant and Gren is more than fine

odd depot
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I split evs into both at. And sp.at to help Valiants offensive powress.

sly mauve
dry edge
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Yeah see the issue this gen is that Corviknight doesn't really function as sole hazard control on a team like this. Hazards + Gholdengo will just eat you alive unfortunately

sly mauve
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I dont think so, you might have and if so I apologize

dry edge
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Its fine, maybe I am misremembering

sly mauve
dry edge
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I dont want to add another Fairy-weak with Tusk, mmm

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I was thinking moreso Corvi + Ace

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but I am not sure how to mix the rest

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Clod prolly has to stay to help vs WW and special attacker sin general

sly mauve
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Yeah

dry edge
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I am trying to see which of the others can be replaced

sly mauve
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I really wanted to try out sd val and meow seemed like a good wall breaker to pair with it

dry edge
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So RotomW and Moon are the other options right?

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Well RotomW helps a lot with Dnite, so it might have to be Moon

sly mauve
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Hnmnm i could get rid of moon but would we be losing speed? Maybe I could go scarf rotom

dry edge
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Well you have Booster + 2 of the fastest mons in the tier in Ace + Meow

sly mauve
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Ah so i might be fine anyway

polar fog
dry edge
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and like Clod can cover defensively against Dragapult and Scarf Dengo, so that shouldn't be too much of an issue

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yeah

sly mauve
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And if needed sucker cinder to beat dengo and pult

dry edge
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Just throwing ideas though, maybe test and see how it works

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Do for sure need another form of hazard control though

dry edge
sly mauve
strange kayak
proven hare
proven hare
# proven hare https://pokepast.es/a965988ca2b778fa

One of the easiest teams to pilot at the moment coz Offense is everywhere and this team dunks on most of them, particularly Weather. As for fat, Future Sight is good in combo with Valiant, Gambit and Tusk, and Chomp doesn't have many switch ins. Also, Kigambit is a beast late game vs fat

proven hare
dry edge
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I can save it, looks interesting

proven hare
dry edge
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Looks like a fine start, hella weak to Valiant

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Actually smth like Iron Moth + Slowking would help deal with Valiant, and Moth would also help vs TSpikes

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But it looks hella hard to fit

proven hare
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Slowking seems to do well vs Valiant tbh

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Pray that it's not physical

wanton root
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wanton root
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the goal was basically just to cram as much offense as possible onto something that still had a defensive core

unique rampart
daring violet
# unique rampart tried making a balance team https://pokepast.es/18f9a25fe553f782

id go with timid nature on valiant and give it calm mind over close combat which I think in this current meta can be more threatening on presumed predictable switchins. id make ting lu tera water instead of poison for all the walking wakes (specs / proto) running around. lastly for pex i would go baneful bunker over toxic or toxic spikes since i think having both could be a waste of a move, on a mon like pex which i feels suffers badly from 4 move syndrome. id also maybe consider dd pult, but this is fine regardless. cool team

unique rampart
odd depot
fringe patrol
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any thoughts

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fringe patrol
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im running a simliar thing in vgc double

empty mantle
fringe patrol
green citrus
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There is a seperate chat for doubles

fringe patrol
green citrus
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Yuh

fringe patrol
proven hare
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But yeah CM Valiant is super good

cunning jolt
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How this look

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@ruby crest @frigid sierra

ruby crest
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If I had a dollar for every team that had goes for semi sun instead of full sun

cunning jolt
cunning jolt
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Oooooooor

ruby crest
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Literally just commit to full sun

rocky comet
cunning jolt
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I did want valiant and clod to counter other wakes I’d see

rocky comet
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kinda off meta

ruby crest
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So like cb roaring moon > dengo, 244 spa 12 filler ev max speed timid wake tera dragon > ice, not sure what Torkoal evs are for just go max max and bpress > wisp, offensive tusk > bu and do ice spinner > spin, eject hatt > clod, and there’s a decent amount of options for last

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Like scov, volc, and ceruledge

cunning jolt
ruby crest
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Clod prob is taking a lot more then it would like from tera dragon and boosted sun and even then is getting hella pressured from the entire team

rocky comet
cunning jolt
ruby crest
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Like if you feel you really need to better prep for you can do dnite for last imo

cunning jolt
ruby crest
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I would do bulky

cunning jolt
ruby crest
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It should be on analysis

cunning jolt
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This team is really weak to fairy tho

ruby crest
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That’s exactly why you would want something like volc or ceruledge for last cause wake already destroy most offensive teams that’s opposing wakes are where you can pivot with eject hatt to bring back your own wake or whatever depending on the set

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And then last being something just so Torkoal ain’t your only way to check Val

cunning jolt
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For hat do I do that healing wish set or calm mind

cunning jolt
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How I looking now

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Forgot to get rid of Tera blast

ruby crest
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Psychic, make this lo volc, lefties tusk, again just do max max on Torkoal bpress > wisp, and, last move should be pulse on wake and go 244 spa 12 filler evs and max speed with timid, lefties > lo, lo tera ground volc with tera blast,

ruby crest
cunning jolt
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Ight

cunning jolt
cunning jolt
ruby crest
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I mean lefties > lo on tusk

cunning jolt
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Ok

cunning jolt
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I do want both hazards and hazard removal

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And will and lava are good

rocky comet
green citrus
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To be brutally honest

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Its not great simply because its stacking a ton of very mediocre mons

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Hands, treads, ttar, hawlucha all of these guys are pretty shart in current ou meta

rocky comet
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imo i think ttar and hands are pretty good rn, treads was cuz i wanted both a steel and a ground and hawlucha is pretty niche

green citrus
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Ttar id wager could be interesting but hands is definitely pretty ugly

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It just falls short in any way u want it to work

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Better breakers in the tier rn

fallow garden
rocky comet
green citrus
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Could work yeah

green citrus
rocky comet
sly mauve
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I wonder should i run a some bulk on my sd iron val?

subtle rose
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no

rose hinge
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id argue a band set is probably better for what you're trying to use it for

shrewd flax
shrewd flax
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Tried to build around band tusk because he stronk

viral crow
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wanted to try 2 offensive hazard setters

wraith geode
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does anyone have a cool haxorus team

proven hare
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You will have to Tera Dirge almost immediately

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So I think you can outplay it like that

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Also

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Go Tera Water on Tusk

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For Rain

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And Sun

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exotic kite
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BO hydreigon

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(is what i want to achieve)

ruby crest
ruby crest
verbal wing
mint moth
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Like the friend above I also tried to build a hydreigon team. Water absorb Clodsire is so I dont get rekt by the wake that loves to walk. Wondering what I should change.

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Team I made based around my two favorite Paldea mons (Meowscarada and Clodsire), any and all feedback is appreciated all I care about is getting to use these two mons on the same team

https://pokepast.es/058e13fcfefc6764

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dusty ether
fallow garden
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also i think sash on ghold is a waste, u can go leftovers/covert cloak

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tera type on ghold shall be flying

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also

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ability on drgonite is wrong

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it shall be multiscale

strange summit
dusty ether
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oh yeah good call, i might swap out chomp for great tusk

strange summit
dusty ether
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oh yeah good idea, i usually run black glasses

strange summit
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And consider wisp over bug buzz on volc as well as covert cloak over balloon on gholdengo

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Those are your preference tho

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You don’t have a ground resist so air balloon is probably better in this situation

subtle rose
dusty ether
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removing dozo and adding tusk was one of my ideas

subtle rose
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agree w that

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I dont like

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flying gambit

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esp w balloon dengo chomp and rona

subtle rose
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tera fire spin tusk if u dont want

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fire gambit

subtle rose
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rest looks ok

dusty ether
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okay thank you!!

proper folio
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https://pokepast.es/33cf69f6c312ec35
Lokix team that got me to 1550.
Its tapered off like hell. Main problem is that without band lokix misses kills, lorb is waaaaaay too frail, and silver misses kills on quaguaval, cinder, and dragapult with tera bug first imp from full, and hazards are hard against those teams.
And yes this team is an adapted version of dracomenaces team
Lokix is a bona fide get in kill shit leave poke.
Rotom is pretty standard, 30 iv in speed is to slow pivot against opposing rotom.
Hatterene is a magic bouncer,phys wall, and calm mind sweeper.
Tusk is a pretty normal set, tera normal to buff rapid spin, and rocks are rocks
I got the evs from clod from a 4 month old dracomenace vid, but if they arent broke, dont fix it ig. Spikes bc tusk has rocks
Gholdengo blocks defogs, provides speed control, and just nukes stuff. I was considering replacing it with kingambit though

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surreal hemlock
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been considering teching leaf storm onto Meow for Tusk and Curse EQ Garg (two mons that can def be a bit of a problem especially the latter) but idk if its that worth

surreal hemlock
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Also PsySpam w/ Armarouge is actual hell to fight with this team

severe panther
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I just cooked it

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severe panther
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So idk but i want a mon that can hold covert cloak ? Coz garg looks annoying

rose hinge
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rose hinge
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my attempt at a SD valiant team

brazen yew
rose hinge
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you're using defensive tusk and dont even have a fighting move so theres no point

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also id argue that hydreigon would prefer leftovers

brazen yew
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change on what?

rose hinge
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but i'd need clarification

rose hinge
brazen yew
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i see

rose hinge
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probably to steel or water if you're struggling with rain

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oh and i think flash cannon is better than earth power on dreigon too

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but again i'd need someone better to confirm

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all i can say for sure is that tusk needs a diff tera type

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also

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wtf is that iron leaves set

brazen yew
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idk, there's no preset, so i picked something for grass attacking

subtle rose
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av azu is such a bad mon

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leaves also

rose hinge
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change the iron leaves set

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its unusable

brazen yew
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i know lol

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i just don't know what to do

subtle rose
rose hinge
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also dirge should probably be tera fairy or something

subtle rose
rose hinge
subtle rose
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what does fcannon hit

rose hinge
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gancl

subtle rose
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there u go

rose hinge
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dirge after it teras

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valiant

subtle rose
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i think u just run

brazen yew
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so, any good grass pokemon?

subtle rose
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sub dual stab

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lefties

rose hinge
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ig earth power hits gambit?

subtle rose
subtle rose
brazen yew
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i need something against this roton

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so grass

rose hinge
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i think baxcalibur does decent against rotom

brazen yew
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does it wise to run with 2 dragons?

rose hinge
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you have corv and dirge

brazen yew
rose hinge
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so could be fine

brazen yew
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i'll try it more. thanks

rose hinge
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change skeledirge's tera type

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to fairy or something

brazen yew
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i thought about boosting tourch song even more, but i ok

rose hinge
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also do lefties + sub over earth power

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on hydreigon

brazen yew
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lefties + sub?

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what does it mean?

subtle rose
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leftovers substitute

brazen yew
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ooh

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idk how to properly use substitute

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do i just drop it and what?

rose hinge
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you sub on something passive

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then just nasty plot

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thin prairie
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urban sky
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i just added gholdengo instead of magnezone, i was losing to skeledirge a lot

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surreal raven
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I could actually use some live-guidance too blobthumbsup

severe panther
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Power to you to make this team work

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But there are no pivots or hazard setters in this team

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What swtiching in and taking a hit

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🤔

surreal raven
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dual screens

rose hinge
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i guess you could play around specs

surreal raven
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Yeah, valiant is often not anproblem for me

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The biggest problem is revenge killers like kingambit

rose hinge
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you have tusk tho

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but yeah

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considering you have frail agility sweepers

surreal raven
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I can play around them using great tusk and iron leaves, but they require a bit of counterplay

rose hinge
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who would die to sucker punches and stuff

surreal raven
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on my end, hazards arent a huge huge problem

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Garganacl surprisingly isnt a huge problrm

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Sincre most of them are already wallbreakers anyway

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Water absorb clodsire is one thing, but unaware clodsire is something that my team can struggle with quite a bit

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Maybe i could replace horoark with a suicide hazard setter?

rose hinge
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yeah im not sure what horoark is doing

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either a hazard setter or a pivot would be nice

surreal raven
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My intention was to place horoark as something to 'cleanup' like gholdengo, and in some situations in can deal with tera normal dragonite

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i put a load of my confidence on rapid spin

rose hinge
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i'd recommend maybe a different tera for tusk

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its bulk up

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so maybe you'd want a more defensive typing to set up more easily

surreal raven
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such as?

rose hinge
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steel or water perhaps?

surreal raven
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Tried it with hazards

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Its going pretty well, slowly but surely moving back up

strong jasper
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strong jasper
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typical sun team to use ww until it goes to ubers

fallow crag
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Oh why are you hurricane on wake

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Replace cane with dragon pulse

strong jasper
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maybe if i face a rain team or something like that

fallow crag
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Pulse is better cause sometimes you don't wanna lock into draco

strong jasper
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not in sun obviously

strong jasper
fallow crag
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Cane doesn't provide meaningful coverage really

strong jasper
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ive also heard about tera electric on wake

fallow crag
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Yeh that is also an option

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I think pulse is more consistent tho

strong jasper
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okay

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thank you🤝

severe panther
severe panther
sly mauve
proven hare
desert bridge
dry edge
sly mauve
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Is this the best team in the meta? - https://pokepast.es/8f0dae9b7678d0bf

I haven't fully analyzed this team, but I took a mixture of what I think the best lead core in the meta is, Life orb walking wake with speed boosting evs, and banded cinderace. Cinderace is the freest u-turn of all time, it helps figuring out tusk and chomp sets, as well as its pure wall breaking power. Wake is the anti weather, anti tusk and anti glimmora lead mon which okhos all of them, just be careful of scarf dazzling gleam glim.

I haven't fully understood what else to add to the team but I added unaware clodsire and dondozo to cripple both ends of the setup spectrum, as well as ole reliable tusk + hatterene core that can do alot on their own. Clodsire isnt unaware bc of walking wake and haze + toxic should wreck volcarona. Cinderace is terra dark so that sucker punch is super strong. Terra fire really only guarantees 2HKO on max def great tusk.

This begs the question since this team can win almost any lead matchup, and since it has water absorb clod with haze + dondozo to check setup on both attacking ends + hazard control with great tusk and hatterene, does this make this the best team in the meta?

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This is a team I am playing for fun now

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It's a psychic terrain team

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No way meta or a good team but it is fun

weak beacon
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Running tests there’s weakness to steel types, mainly corvakight and ghomigohld

earnest anvil
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add calm mind to that if you wish

frozen hinge
# weak beacon https://pokepast.es/114e324f3b6545df

I wont talk too much about composition as someone else can handle that but um

  1. hawlucha doesnt need max speed at all and likely doesnt synergize very well with this
  2. probably should use indeedee female instead and dont have left over evs in general as 8 missing actually does impact a lot of calcs
    3.hat would likely perform better with eject button to bring in the other threats more easily
    4.you likely want your dirge way bulkier. torch boosts will make up for the lack in investment
  3. youre better off full leaning into leaves power so like band seems far more ideal if youre gonna do this
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Been back and forth with team floating around mid 1200s. Some MUs I just win, lots of WW teams and teams using good anchor mons like Hatterene, Grimm, Clod or Corvi. I'm just looking for advice

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ho and bulky offence

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if u wanted to go a full ho route it could be pretty easy to optimize a bit

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like all ud really need to change is skeledirge

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and a few set

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s

foggy socket
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Skele has been a filler if im honest

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don't know a good 6th so i threw him there

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i think ud find more use out of something like azu

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to help w wake

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and replacing tusk with a more offensive eject pack set

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for momentum

foggy socket
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yeah i can see that

agile lava
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valiant could also have potential as a CMer

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i think

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w booster

foggy socket
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i'd assume the usual BD azu set if I were to replace skeled?

agile lava
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ye

foggy socket
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bet

agile lava
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try it out on ladder and lmk how u like it

foggy socket
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will do

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Honestly the team is pretty solid. Only problems I seem to hit are Scarf Gholdengo and the niche sp def mons but really fun and good team.

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Would do then spdef covert pex > hatt, curse quake garg > Id press, scarf dengo > ballon, and make This specs Val tho if you want better mu against grounds I would then recommend pult > Val and corv > dengo

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Send h-zoroak team

chilly zealot
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how's this team?

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How good is hydreigon rn?

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babe wake up

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New OU RMT

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opaque hamlet
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Would appreciate any kind of advice

ruby crest
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I'm willing to

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I just need Dragonite

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As my main

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So, how can I build a team around Dragonite?

ruby crest
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fwiw this channel is for completed teams since you want to build a team would redirect to comp gen to work on teams

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Here's my ho team with hisuan zoroark I haven't used a hyper offense team before so idk if this is good or not

dense bison
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balanced offensive team, im not very good at teambuilding

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unreal zodiac
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Psychic terrain + hyper offensive = profit.

mint moth
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Tried my hand at status spam hexpult. Had good winrate at low elo (1400s). What to change?

dry edge
# unreal zodiac https://pokepast.es/cb354fb1ea3bafd1

You can try Eject Button + Healing Wish Hatterene. Way better at keeping momentum and, which these teams really need.

The Armarouge set doesn't fit very well here. Expanding Force > Stored Power. No reason to run Naive instead of Timid, you don't have physical attacks. Also make sure you actually need Timid and that Modest isn't enough.

Other than that an extra form of hazard support would be nice, but not super required.

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what would a better lead be, i was trying to build around the core of breloom, iron valiant, and roaring moon and give them a backbone

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but i've noticed what you described forces me to wait until sun is down to sweep with acrobatics

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or is that just not that great a core

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Any suggestions for this team? I honestly have no idea what I’m doing. I was thinking about trading my koraidon for a miraidon, replacing raichu with miraidon, and adding iron hands

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Also gholdengo is kinda a filler spot, any suggestions for him would be nice

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completely offensive

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just joining the thread

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real willow
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U put ur SV OU team in here, raters will give you tips on how to improve it in order to improve it

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If you just see OU, then you usually assume current gen

onyx halo
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I was in a rush when making this

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i am gonna go buy carrots now

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oh shit

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wrong tusk set

onyx halo
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nvm the team is shit

slow crater
dry edge
onyx halo
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ohh

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alr

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got any suggestions?

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I removed meow, tried sovillain but it was just cosmetic atp

green citrus
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Prob hatterene

rose hinge
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aqua jet is getting halved in sun

agile lava
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speed boosting mence

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moon*

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and hatt > meow

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and prob just dragon pulse > aqua jet

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onwake

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u dont need jet

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u can make it speedboosting as well

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bit of a meme set, but +2 atk/spd works

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https://pokepast.es/f43078f4060b267e
starting to get the hang of pokemon battling, but i'm still learning. Had a friend give me a pokemon to build a team for, and he said volcarona. Pretty easy pick so I was thankful. It's the standard set but i wanted to creates as many openings for it to set up. That's why meowscarada has spices, the grimsnarl has double screens, and breloom is here for sporing. Kingambit is for when all else fails. What do yall think?

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(jeez it feels awkward for it to ping like 11 people just for one team)

real willow
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I mean the ideal is that someone pays attention after all of the pings

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my initial concern w/ this team is that there is no stealth rocks

onyx halo
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thx

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oh shit wait

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sly mauve
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You’re using OU staples

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How isn’t it viable

frozen hinge
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Well a good team is more than just slapping together good mons

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made a team around offensive volcarona

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it has been working well so far

empty mantle
rose hinge
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like

empty mantle
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Why is meow max spatk leaf storm over flower trick

rose hinge
rose hinge
empty mantle
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Why are you running a defensive rapid spinner on a hyper offense team

rose hinge
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ok what

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the great tusk set is offensive tusk

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spatk meowscarada is a spike setter

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with leaf storm ohkoing great tusk

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so the hazards arent just spun away

empty mantle
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Ohh ok

rose hinge
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and hdb on gambit is because its tera flying

empty mantle
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Now what about defog

rose hinge
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defog

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when volcarona makes corv quake in its boots

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also i put hdb on gambit not just because of tera flying

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but because it might have to come in a lot to revenge kill

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and because lord smogon recommends it cheempao

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also i just changed tera ground to grass on volc

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and sub instead of tera blast

empty mantle
rose hinge
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clodsire

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To grass

rose hinge
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yeah but sub

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lets you use it as fodder

empty mantle
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Ohh

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Shouldn’t you run giga drain flamethrower then

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Along side sub quiver

rose hinge
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yeah

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i have giga drain already

empty mantle
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Oh ok

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I should shut up sometimes worrywhirl

rose hinge
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sub also good for hatterene

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ok heres the slightly updated version

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thoughts?

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its more offense oriented

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so i went with a more offensive volc spread

rose hinge
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🥺

empty mantle
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But isn’t this the same team but Volc has a different set

rose hinge
dry edge
rose hinge
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idk i dont really like bulky volc

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but ig

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is boots tusk not bad if they have a gambit

dry edge
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On a team like this Tusk will take more hazards damage than it would be able to heal off with Leftis

rose hinge
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hm

dry edge
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Just ideas you know, but ya TSpikes cripple this rather badly

rose hinge
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what even sets t spikes

dry edge
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And the valiant weaknrss really is real

rose hinge
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is it glimmora

dry edge
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Pex and Glimm yeah

rose hinge
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valiant weakness sucks but i feel like every offense team blows up to it

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which is annoyin

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band pult fine?

dry edge
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Kinda(?) I mean there's a line between teams being weak to Valiant and they just straight up exploding

dry edge
rose hinge
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so hdb tusk

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and bulkarona

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ah idk hdb tusk

rain gyro
daring violet
# rain gyro https://pokepast.es/3c722b0132d9e545 Tried my hand at making my own team withou...

I'd go with the curse set on nacl (EQ, Curse, Salt Cure, Recover) to beat Gholdengo since you don't touch Cloak Gholdengo currently with the set you're running. I think you need a entry hazard remover. Maybe consider Tusk > Dragapult (you can try the Rapid Spin + Bulk up set) that would work well with Ortho. I don't know if I agree with the full speed evs on Gambit, I would say put some in HP unless there's reasoning behind it. For Dragapult I would go with the Heavy Duty Boots Utility set (Wisp, Uturn, Dragon Dart, Hex)

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Dragapult @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 76 Atk / 180 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

  • U-turn
  • Dragon Darts
  • Hex
  • Will-O-Wisp
rain gyro
daring violet
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It will work well with double status Skele duo

rain gyro
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I didnt think about

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Bulk up tusk

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That seems brilliant

daring violet
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Try it I think it will be a tough combo with ortho

rain gyro
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I did think about curse nacl

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I will

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And as for kingambit ev

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I generally like to put 160 in speed to creep 28 skeledirge

daring violet
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Yup I think the BodyPress set is outdated

rain gyro
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But sometimes i feel like the bulk is lacking

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So curse nacl, tusk and

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What do you reccomend abt gambit

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I cannot decide on an ev spread fml

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112 HP 252 Atk 144 Spe or 52 HP / 252 Att / 200 Speed (If you want to run Gambit really fast)

rain gyro
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Gotcha ty

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Lol

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no problem

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empty mantle
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So what’s with curse over bulk up on garg

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Nvm it doesn’t have bulk up

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I been waiting to use Hzoar tbf

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I'd make the valiant specs

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Shadow ball over cc

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I'd also invest more heavily in SpD on rotom than phys def cause right now gholdengo chooses

muted dirge
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I haven't seen mixed in a while, it's still decent but I think specs/cm booster are the better sets right now

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SpD rotom helps you vs gholdengo like I said

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Right now if it predicts right you just sorta lose a mon

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SpD Rotom gives you the ability to at least pivot on it a few times

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And tusk is generally fine for most phys def needs

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I see

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Yeh I like it

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please rate my team, mr smogon.

empty mantle
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havent played ladder since gen 9 dropped basically

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dont know whats good atm

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There's a lot of just

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Not good sets here

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Protect does nothing on worm

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Tankchomp is kinda low rn, people are higher on life orb rocks

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Talon is really only good on stall

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Pex should probably be infestation haze

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But also the team doesn't seem very coherent

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You have a couple stall mons, a couple balance mons, a couple offense mons

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Try picking a style to build in

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I like hyper offense

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And balance

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damn the meta changes rapidly

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i have other teams that are better so imma just use them for now

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And this also isn't rain

exotic kite
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blunder says otherwise

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shamone

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Blunder's videos are, for the most part, a very good player using not very good sets

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You are most likely not as good as blunder

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I know I'm not I'm like 0-2 vs him doom

exotic kite
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never ever implied i was madm

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I love Iron Valiant

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But yeh talon on rain... Ain't it

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Rain has so many other options for flying types

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Jugulis is an important one

sly mauve
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Wasn’t blunder the champion

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Idk when

fallow crag
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Of what

sly mauve
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Singles

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Or did he lie

fallow crag
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He won smogtour 25

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If that's what you're referring to

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Ah

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That

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Can someone recommend me what to build off my team

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I have a core of Gholdengo, booster valiant and scarf rotom-w

foggy socket
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Thoughts? Just a Hyper Off team

empty mantle
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Yeah - his usage rate went down by alot but tried making it work

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Thanks :)

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Standard OU team but wondering if there’s any glaring weaknesses

languid mirage
# sly mauve Standard OU team but wondering if there’s any glaring weaknesses

Just a very small change id make personally is to run Twave on gholdengo instead of rotom. That way you can still get the boosted damage on hex without having to first para then switch. And then rotom could run hydro pump, and dragapult could run U turn instead so youre able to pivot and you get a nice VoltTurn core with rotom and pult. and you're not sacrificing any coverage :)

cerulean marsh
fallow crag
# cerulean marsh https://pokepast.es/4842f43d094cc951 Trying to keep greninja

make quag water absorb for wake (if wake gets banned then it can be unaware), make gren timid, there's no reason for the extra uturn damage, make pult tera blast tera ghost, make valiant booster cm + moonblast + shadow ball + psyshock, drop corv for NP gholdengo, and i'd probably go tera fire tusk here cause you aren't on body press

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there's also a case for haze over toxic on clod but toxic is fine

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Thank you!

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No worries ! Glad i could help

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Any ways to make the team better

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Went from 1000 to 1500 with this but It struggles with a lot of mons

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Like dd Dragonite, Dondozo or physical pult

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Clodsire...

dense bison
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thoughts?

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i put great tusk in the last slot to have an answer to tera fire kingambit but im wondering if theres a mon that rounds out my comp better

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idk if court change with a rapid spin user is redundant

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but leaving out great tusks leaves my team without a go to lead

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considering a quaquaval lead with taunt instead

ruby crest
# dense bison https://pokepast.es/2273b9f9933b6ec1

This is really solid already, some things tho would go covert cloak amoong for better mu against garg, defensive washer with twave and tera fairy, tera water tusk, cind lowkey wants sucker instead of gunk

dense bison
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It helps check stuff like dnite, gambit, and friends and tera fairy lets it tera on the pinch from dragon mons and be able to twave

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You don’t need scarf fwiw you already have pult and cinderace for speed control

dense bison
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do you think its a better answer to boosted dnite and bax on the switch?

ruby crest
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Bax honestly claims a Mon but also doesn’t want to switch into anything in this team

dense bison
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what do you think about dropping tusk for quaq if i go def rotom

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last question lol

ruby crest
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Tusk is better

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Gives you a rocker and spinner and going Quaq is unorthodox fwiw

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alright, ty for the info

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I know this isn’t a rate but shoutout to walking wake staying ou, in honor post those Walking Wake teams and I’ll give them a rate

dense bison
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now im no meta expert

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but walking wake feels like it shouldn't be legal

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same with gholdengo

daring violet
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Yup but the voters have spoken and numbers don’t lie

gloomy sky
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But I am not so sure with Gholdengo

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Gholdengo has quite a few counters

dense bison
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see thats what u would think makes it healthy

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but its so versatile

gloomy sky
dense bison
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that none of them feel certain

gloomy sky
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Gholdengo is strong for sure

dense bison
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i think walking wake is more obviously broken too

gloomy sky
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Fr

dense bison
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but the whole meta will revolve around gholdengo once its gone

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and its so anti fun lmfao

gloomy sky
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WalkingWake with choice specs in the sun is broken

dense bison
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walking wake u don't even need to think about reading switches because you 2hko everything lool

solemn geode
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Is this the channel where you put your team and experts tell you what you should change?

gloomy sky
solemn geode
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Closire

dense bison
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ahh

gloomy sky
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I love the clod for that reason

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Max Hp and max spd=immortal against WalkingWake

solemn geode
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So can I just like post my team here for some help or

gloomy sky
solemn geode
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I do use a clod against wake

gloomy sky
real willow
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I will not tolerate Chain Chomp slander

solemn geode
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Draco meteor has high chances to demolish tusk, and EQ with just 4 evs can 2HKO pex and gargg (usual cinder counters)

gloomy sky
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Yea, but I just don't like it

solemn geode
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The clod + corv makes a good defensive core and I use tera flying to not be so weak to ground, as well as toxiking tusk

gloomy sky
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Then i usedeither quaqua or azu for some strong prioority, and then zoro was my scarfer + dozo counter

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but changes the water for a kingambit, just some extra synergy

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its not reliable priority, but it will do

gloomy sky
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Unless the Valiant is psyshock and thunderbolt

solemn geode
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and i use hyper beam zoro as a last resort

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Had flamethrower, but tera fighting tera blast does the same but better

gloomy sky
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I would replace hyper beam with hyper voice tbh

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Voice ignores sub, which can be useful against mons that use Orthworm

solemn geode
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Yeah, but usuall they have booster valiant

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who ignores my scarf, basically

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still good idea

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its stronger than blast

gloomy sky
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Ig I could get some people to rate my sun team

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Here

solemn geode
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I got to 1834 (120 in ladder) with a weird balance hazzard stack

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Isnt moon with booster

gloomy sky
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Yea

solemn geode
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anti syngergy

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It wont use booster, so acr stays the same

gloomy sky
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Ik, but the sun can give him his proto boost if I need to switch out

dense bison
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i been hardstuck 1500 with this team, i think i just have really bad 6th member team building syndrome lmfao

solemn geode
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I guess

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also its almost a mono fire team

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you can try things like shocks, who most teams arent ready for

gloomy sky
solemn geode
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if youre behind a sub youre probably gonna go for greedy stuff

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also valiant and moth do the same role

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what about

dense bison
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i didnt even know of it

solemn geode
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specs ghold? dragonite or kingambit can also do

dense bison
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but i think sash is needed to revenge kill

solemn geode
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Breloom uses sash as a default item (slow + fragile)

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You usually reveng kill with mach punch, but sash can work on these teams

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just consider band or dice

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here is my old team

gloomy sky
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Also why don't people use endure on Ceru?

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With Weakness policy and Weak Armor?

solemn geode
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hazzard stack balance

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and yes, wake destroys me without tera water lu

solemn geode
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or else you just get armarouge 2, stacking weaknesses

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(like having persian and tauros in RBY, one is a mini tauros)

gloomy sky
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Ok

solemn geode
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also bulk upis the way to go with ceru

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so, anything else to change?

wanton root
green citrus
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Its a good team but u replaced an actual good mon with a salamence

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Idt i can rate it beyond that

wanton root
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That’s unfortunate lol

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What would you put in that slot

astral crane
green citrus
proven hare
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Otherwise Pult just 6-0s

green citrus
# astral crane https://pokepast.es/0fc25e31c779a647

u have good mons and sets, tho sash meow is usually leaf storm, knock, taunt, spikes. The rest of sash lead meow HO is setup spam, u can use the same mons but swap sets around. DD bax, dd pult, plot dengo, so on

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or swap mons around, valiant and volcarona are good picks

proven hare
green citrus
astral crane
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Ive thought on some haze user as most of my checks are boosting sweepers

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But it seems toxapex is the only viable one

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Maybe a taunt user may work as well

green citrus
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Eh

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Putting slow fats on a team thats built around like

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An HO lead

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Isnt great

astral crane
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O alr

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Ill keep up with this team and see if there any way to deal with the checks

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Also noticed a couple of my loses are for an unlucky crit

night zodiac
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u should consider life orb volcarona

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since rocks will almost always be off

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cant go wrong w eject pack tusk either

night zodiac
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Noted

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Ty 👍

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subtle rose
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that's not a helpful observation if he has a pretty hard counter for it lol

thin prairie
opaque hamlet
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How can I use that?

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I mean I got an advice

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From a team I asked to rate

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Like I want some indepth advice/ suggestion for my team

real willow
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ok

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so you take a pokepaste of your team

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and you paste it here

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and you wait for someone to rate it

opaque hamlet
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So like this is the best I can get?

real willow
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are you trying to get advice on building new teams?

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basically this channel is used to improve already completed teams

opaque hamlet
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Yeah

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I see

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Where can I go then?

real willow
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while #comp-general #comp-general-2 is best for getting advice for filling slots on a team

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ex, what should I put so that I can handle X and Y

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when you have 4 or 5 mons chosen

opaque hamlet
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But thanks for the advice

real willow
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if not, go to compgen

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otherwise, post ur team and ask here

opaque hamlet
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Gotcha

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Thanks again!

real willow
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np

barren quail
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cooked up a balance team, what can i improve??

runic moth
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For blissey

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#1059655497587888158

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Oh, sorry

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#1059704283072831499

molten kestrel
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ah, thanks i didnt see thouse

burnt tinsel
sly mauve
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I recommend heavily TO NOT have phantom force on dragapult

burnt tinsel
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What should I use instead?

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Shadow ball?

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Err sorry, wrong build

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Terra blast?

wanton root
sly mauve
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Would balance your team too cause you have a lot of physical attackers and a setup sweeper already

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Also just a small thing this might be preference but you could run hex on skeledirge instead of shadow ball, for extra damage when you’ve will o wisped

pulsar pewter
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Hey can I get some thoughts on this team on what I could probably do to improve it? Still pretty low ladder in the 1200s on OU and I'm struggling to get to 1300 (which I've never done because I'm just ass lmao)

stone onyx
empty mantle
ocean ledge
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tusk would be a really good addition, gives you spin + rocks and a ground + dark resist

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also make amoonguss covert cloak

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and bax CB

empty mantle
empty mantle
empty mantle
ocean ledge
ocean ledge
empty mantle
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Understood

ocean ledge
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I feel like as is

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you have a really hard time breaking fat

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since fat doesnt care about setup

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mainly dozo just sits on everyone here

empty mantle
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Should I go ground or fairy on Bax?

ocean ledge
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dragon

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cb tera dragon glaive rush is deadly

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you lose the defense boost from snow when you tera is something you should keep in mind

empty mantle
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I replaced smog for synthesis bc I have never used smog in my life and when i try to It gets denied

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Trick room isn't the greatest playstyle right now, but this just doesn't look that great even then

empty mantle
ocean ledge
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why did you remove clear smog

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thats

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literally

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what wins you the 1v1

empty mantle
stone onyx
fallow crag
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It's tough cause there's just not that many good abusers of tr rn

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Maybe brute bonnet as well?

stone onyx
fallow crag
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SD most likely

stone onyx
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looks like it goes well against kingambit too

fallow crag
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Idk why you have a hattrem in all honesty there ain't no way it does anything

stone onyx
fallow python
empty mantle
fallow python
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life orb?

empty mantle
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NP is an option but imo it’s not good bc you’re fast but everything that does outspeeds you threatens you hard

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So immediate power is more worth it

fallow python
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I see

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anything else?

dense bison
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thoughts?

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i wasn't sure which rotom set to run or which mon to run in the 6th slot

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and im unsure which threats im overlooking

surreal bloom
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dd pult on this is weird

dry edge
# dense bison https://pokepast.es/ec78fe03297eddb0

Hey this seems rather alr. We dont really need Treads to deny hazards a lot of times throughout the game, maybe we can try Booster Energy instead? Something like this

Iron Treads @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Knock Off
  • Iron Head
  • Rapid Spin
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The Pult is fine I feel. You can maybe try Tera Fairy instead since you dont have an immediate switch in to Draco Meteor and that could help at least a bit

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A diff approach, and since you already have most of the piece, I was thinking about was Stealth Rock on Iron Treads, Spikes on Garchomp, and add a Gholdengo instead of Volcarona to block Defog and Rapid Spin. This would also improve your mu against bulkier structures. So something like this https://pokepast.es/3d1f43986ff0d2c7

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Its just an idea, the original team is fine. Do play it more aggro though, since you do not have to many bulky Pokemon to rely on. Walking Wake can be annoying like I mentioned, but also Shadow Ball seems rather rough to deal with for example

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https://pokepast.es/bc76f352c675d56f

How can I improve this? The main idea was having zone trap corv so Roaring Moon could have an easier time setting up
I went with scarf ace so I could have an answer for opposing roaring moon, pult, fairy bulkarona and valiant

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fallow crag
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I'd definitely go boots ace

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With sucker/pyro/gunk/turn

sharp cairn
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I see

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What else?

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I've been having a hard time vs dnite teams

winter steppe
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hey smogcels

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ive been laddering lately, got close to 1500 but plateu'd a bit

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I had a defensive pivot rotom-w as the last member of this team but it kinda just wasnt working out

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id appreciate suggestions for a 6th member as well as any other changes\

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psyterrainspam is the team style I struggle the most against

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any advice or suggestions would be most appreciated

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also that is eject pack tuskothy, its the realest set of all time

wanton root
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