#[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

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subtle rose
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u are trying to do too much w/ one mon

spiral fable
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you're saccing an entire moveslot for a first turn thing that other mons can do better

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why do you have a set up mon if you also want to go for a kill the first turn

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its a useful move for banded mons or revenge killers, not ddancer sweepers that want to stay in

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why do you want rid of moth

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slap on a hazards mon somewhere

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maybe a screens or orthworm if you really want to enable the ddancers

real willow
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also does hax super need hdb

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like I get it for spikes but a setup sweeper like hax won't be coming in and out of the battle

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you could also use lum berry

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ngl

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defog corv is super unreliable

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gholdengo

spiral fable
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with gholdenjoe everywhere, corv is a sitting duck for it

real willow
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you're better off with only hatterene as ur means of anti-hazards

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sure

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looks good to me

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unless faya wants something here to change

spiral fable
real willow
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fair

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does rotom-w handle great tusk?

spiral fable
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yeah

real willow
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ok

spiral fable
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unless its band, tbut then that's banded tusk

real willow
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alright

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then you were also saying iron moth was not something you liked?

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seems like it's your volc check

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I should build new teams

spiral fable
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moth is like the only pokemon on your team that can dish out immediate damage without having to set up

real willow
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my knowledge of the metagame is pre-chien pao ban

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down

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I'll ladder w/ it a bit

spiral fable
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if moon comes in you can't really switch it out without wasting the booster energy, while moth can repeatedly come in and out

subtle rose
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Can't say I'm a big fan of this

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i think fast mons benefit from shed tail

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and smth like moth or washtom is a little too slow paced

real willow
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oh yeah

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how are we gonna deal w/ garg

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that seems pretty annoying for this team

spiral fable
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actually now that i look at the team its kinda split weirdly between ho and bulky offense

subtle rose
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yeah but its hyper offense w/ a washtom.....

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also if we're talking about

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immediate danger

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dragapult

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clicks buttons

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and completely ignores ur sub

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and u cannot stop it

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so

spiral fable
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yeah i mentioned it

real willow
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yeah I almost want to lean more into bulk for this team

spiral fable
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honestly this team is going to be flawed no matter what because in the end of the day two dragaon types that arne't the fastest in a meta with pult and valiant being top tier mons is going to cripple you heavily

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especially since they rely on grabbing ddances

real willow
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not a super big fan of nite and volc but I like specs valiant

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I think I want to start w/ specs val, kingambit and great tusk and rebuild from there

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and when that happens I'll come back here

real willow
spiral fable
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rocks gambit is a waste of a gambit just put rocks on chomp

real willow
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some1 in #comp-general said it hit val and tusk hard

spiral fable
real willow
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it's tera fire

spiral fable
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like replace dragon claw if you really awnt to hit val with hurricane

spiral fable
real willow
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I see

spiral fable
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and your team is also just weak to val in general(also why not surpreme overlord on gambti)

ocean ledge
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Quax I would replace with rotom wash

real willow
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I think on a previous team I had used rocks gambit bc it was my switch to gholdengo and I wanted to set rocks w/ it

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but yeah now chomp can rock

ocean ledge
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Rocks gambit is really bad

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Imo

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It makes you non threatening

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Unlike SD

real willow
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I see

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also how are the kingambit ev's

ocean ledge
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Because you have to drop sd for it, your opponent will know immediately that they can be walled by a tusk

spiral fable
real willow
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um

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idk

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I just put a bit of attack

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and then a bunch of spdef

ocean ledge
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I don’t know gambit evs

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Just go enough speed

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140 evs

real willow
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what does that outspeed?

ocean ledge
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Whatever hits 170 speed

real willow
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I see

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and then what about nite?

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faya said it should have espeed

ocean ledge
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The nite set is interesting

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It might work

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If it doesn’t run normal ekiller

ocean ledge
real willow
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ah

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that sounds useful to not instantly die to bpress

spiral fable
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hatterene is dropped very easily by another common lead, glimm

spiral fable
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a: the bigger problem is you have no hazard setter, and your lead is easily beat by a very common lead
b: if you want a hazard setter that still enables ho run worm
c: honestly you should probbaly have probably at least one more set up mon like idk calm mind valiant

strange temple
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This is my ou team

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If any changes required (btw you can change Pokémon) please send

strange temple
sly mauve
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First glance i notice scarf on cinderace with sucker is a little goofy in my opinion. I’d rather run band on it or if u want scarf a different move like gunk shot would give u a lot more mileage against fairies

spiral fable
strange temple
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ok

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so wut should i change

spiral fable
# strange temple so wut should i change

If you still want ace, run boots
Swap one of your mons for a hazard remover like idk tusk
Maybe add a setup mon or change dozo to be the curse set but that’s up to you

strange temple
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Ok

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Umm i think ill put boots on breloom

strange temple
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Is useless

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So wit should i replace it with

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I am not replacing granacal

spiral fable
strange temple
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Becuase its OP

spiral fable
strange temple
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Beciawe its pretty frail

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Because*

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So any suggestions @spiral fable

spiral fable
strange temple
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Ummm

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I want type coverage

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Any rhing that resist fairy

spiral fable
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Volc

strange temple
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Ok

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Volcorona?

spiral fable
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Yes

strange temple
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?

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Ok

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Any builds

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According

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To team

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D
For Volc and

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Tusk

spiral fable
strange temple
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And?

spiral fable
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Whatever volc set you want

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I’d recommend a more offensive one

strange temple
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Ok

strange temple
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For helping

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Nobody else bothers to give advice in other servers

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You're a cool dude 😎

spiral fable
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Np

young zenith
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https://pokepast.es/cc7e0943dd0e73a5 I didn't get feedback when I posted first time but I need help with this team. I'm doing okay with it but I don't have status except spore no switch moves or hazard removal but idk what to remove for it

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daring violet
# young zenith https://pokepast.es/cc7e0943dd0e73a5 I didn't get feedback when I posted first t...

team looks p good, id give glim the lead set and go with mortal spin so you actually do have a spinner on the team which i think is needed. so p much go with spikes + mortal spin > power gem and energy ball. make chomp mix set, which is 252 Sp.Att, 252 Speed naive nature fire blast, draco meteor, eq, stealth rocks. go with nasty plot on dengo over thunderbolt for sure, if you want 3 attacks def go for focus blast for gambit switchins. everything else looks good maybe bulldoze > sd on loom but its fine to have SD

young zenith
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Wait do I use sash on glim?

daring violet
young zenith
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I hate moves without perfect accuracy I just lost with the team because garchomp missed draco meteor then 2 fire blast misses

sly mauve
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Play Rough or Thunder Punch on Scarfed Meow

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Im running flower trick knock and u turn alr

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idk what else to run tho

static crow
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Depends on what u wanna hit

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What does the rest of the team look like

oblique harness
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oblique harness
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i think the tera typing could be better though- i just looked on smogon what people run

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so advice on that would be great, or any advice at all if possible

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arboliva is such a good mon in ou

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i love it so much

oak niche
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this is my 5th team ever so i think its good for that standard lol

spiral fable
spiral fable
oak niche
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yeah i mostly just used my favorites, but i dont even know where to get the sample teams

spiral fable
oak niche
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thank you 🙂

rose summit
random wagon
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Hmm

agile lava
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out of going lead meow

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and replacing glimm and hatt

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w kingambit

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and something like offensive tusk

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to give u some immediate breaking

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also whats with the dnite spread

rose summit
rose summit
agile lava
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lead meow is

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spikes leaf storm taunt knock

spiral fable
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Leaf storm? Don’t you mean flower trick?

sly mauve
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RMT? (i stole it lol)

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Vespiquen is a meme pick but apparently she's not that bad

rose summit
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strange kayak
limpid nova
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I don't have any defogger/spinners atm

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idk what value I get from Roaring Moon at this point like I have never used that mon

sly mauve
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I EV mine to 369 attack on booster energy sets so I can get a speed boost on dragapult weak teams

limpid nova
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Fair do u think its worth changing something for hazard removal

sly mauve
static crow
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i actually really like it

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i am curious about the weird ivs in azu and worm tho

sly mauve
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You mean the 30 HP IVs?

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It's so they can proc sitrus berry after belly drum/shed tail

static crow
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Okay makes sense

rain gyro
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wouldn't it be better to instead

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put 31 ivs and then do a 248/8/252 build

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edit: i'm stupid, i read 252 hp in azu

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murder me

sly mauve
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sly mauve
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Im looking for a 6th pokemon

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My old set had dondozo for pao control

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With this team I peaked 1.9

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After chien pao ban

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I got rid of dozo

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Now I jus need a final member

kindred egret
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Just confirming, this includes doubles ou right?

dry edge
kindred egret
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Thank you

severe panther
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What you guys think

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cold osprey
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https://pokepast.es/e4ef3d4f349304d1 making a new team, it feels really weak to hazards though. what would be the best way to tweak it for more effective hazard control and setting?

rare sundial
fallen shale
# cold osprey https://pokepast.es/e4ef3d4f349304d1 making a new team, it feels really weak to ...
  • non bulk up tusk, especially if it's your only source of hazard removal, should probably be bulky instead of 252 atk
  • tera blast on scizor could probably be taken off for something like thief so you don't need to tera to break dirge or whatever
  • bug buzz on volcarona is nearly worthless, run substitute instead to nullify toxic attempts and get heightened survivability. some spa investment is also good to make sure you can break pex and clodsire
  • rotom has a weird set but i dont really know how useful it is so ill refrain from commenting
  • your team will struggle a lot with handling common things like skeledirge, dragapult and volcarona even after these changes
fallen shale
rare sundial
cold osprey
frigid rose
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frigid rose
spiral fable
frigid rose
spiral fable
frigid rose
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what else is there

spiral fable
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if you're building tusk can only do so much to keep the hazards off, especailly since its offensive with booster

spiral fable
# frigid rose what else is there

why no aqua jet on floatzel
why low kick over say crunch
bit iffy on the pult set because really the only water types you're hitting with thunder all fear a specs meteor or pump anyways,a nd you're lacking uturn
corv's aight
amoonguss is alright
your lack of hazard prevention is going to be a major thorn in your side, if you don't sweep with the first rain assault
(also side note you're just completely and utterly walled by stall but idk if that's really something to worry about its relatively uncommon)

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the issue is hazards are super prevelant in this metagame and keeping them off is always going to be a struggle, and relying on hazards being off to enable a mon that wouldn't really mind ditching scarf for boots anyways is going to severly limit your team building

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and what does scarf ace even give you that other scarfers cant do better

real willow
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rmt

random wagon
subtle rose
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i think u need

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some speed control

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so like double prio in espeed nite

real willow
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fair

subtle rose
# random wagon https://pokepast.es/4619ad9ebcc325f8

tera ghost sball val > tera elec tbolt imo
i think u need one of tera fire gambit or tusk to deal with qd mono wisp rona or just rona in general, could try bu tusk here but I think u need rocks as is
mayyyybe trick np dengo but meh
iron head > iron tail on gambit

random wagon
subtle rose
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either works probably

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I like gambit better

random wagon
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What’s Rona again?

subtle rose
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volcarona

random wagon
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Oh ok

subtle rose
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matchup moth

random wagon
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Think I should do tusk tera fire for that

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Ok now how do I fix dye go

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She go

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Dhengo

subtle rose
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dengo is fine i think

random wagon
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Like this right

subtle rose
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yeah looks fine

fallen shale
lavish flax
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Team I gathered throughout the storyline. I used this in S/V singles and got to masterball tier :0.

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I dont really use corviknight bc of the 3v3 setup but Dragonite, Gengar, Mimikyu and Kingambit are really solid picks

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And I have skeledirge bc only psychopaths put their starters in the PC

onyx halo
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onyx halo
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first team of sv ou I built myself

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imma be real the pult is filler 💀

supple forge
static crow
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mimikyu can take them on but its not worth losing disguise just to stop 1 mon imo

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corvi is a fine counter so id keep that

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toxic doesnt really fit on a more offensive team like this

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if you want a more threatening dbonder id go ceruledge, my personal choice for dbond

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then swap dirge for val

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so you have immediate power without relying on setup

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also if you do run dirge it usually has unaware

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(and ur missing 4 evs in it btw)

spiral fable
onyx halo
subtle rose
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as that covers 3v3

fallen shale
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skeledirge so you can actually answer something defensively that isnt handled by gt (every special attacker)

onyx halo
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whats gt

real willow
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great tusk

fresh yoke
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hi everyone

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can someone rate this team?

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fresh yoke
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I'm not sure about garganacl

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oh sorry iron valiant has no moves

agile lava
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garg is fine

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just replace glimmora w a water resist

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rotomw prob ideal here

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and change chomp to rocks spikes eq dtail

fallen shale
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i think using glimmora with memento should probably go along a setup sweeper

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also you dont really have much for curse garg

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or sub volcarona

fresh yoke
fallen shale
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volcarona does not handle curse garg

fresh yoke
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so what?

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what should I use?

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should I try kingambit?

fallen shale
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skeledirge

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@fresh yoke

shrewd flax
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Mainly struggle with garg

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Not sure about washtom

fresh yoke
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not sure tho

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I wanted to build a glimmora team

balmy hinge
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yes i know it's a sample team

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@ruby crest ^

subtle rose
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ur ... why are you getting a sample team rated?

balmy hinge
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good point

ruby crest
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Busy rn but yeah you wouldn’t want sample team rated that just defeats the purpose of asking for your own rate

balmy hinge
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i was gonna make an attempt to model something after it but laziness happened

balmy hinge
dry edge
balmy hinge
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my bad, didn't know that one👍

supple forge
balmy hinge
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okay changes have been made

desert bridge
valid tree
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rich acorn
static crow
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should i have kept wash, keep draco, or go with something else

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also lmk if theres anything else that i need to change

proven hare
dry edge
rich acorn
tacit vortex
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This has worked well for me so far

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Wondering if there’s any sets I could improve

fervent shell
onyx halo
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@daring violet

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wait am I supposed to ping 💀

static crow
daring violet
onyx halo
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oke

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thx

daring violet
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I would say since you have no ground immunities maybe consider Tera flying on dengo

onyx halo
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ohh alr

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thank you

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onyx halo
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BRO NO

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I WAS SENDING THE UPDATED VERSION !!

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COMMON CHATOT L

quick crater
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Kinda new to SV OU

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How's this rain team

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As for the scizor EVs the best explanation for it is I'm still experimenting so I don't really have an explanation for it

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Oh forgot to adjust my great tusk EVs, it's supposed to be max hp no spdef investment

strange temple
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Hey everyone

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Tell me advice

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This is my umm update on my old team

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Btw the old team didn’t have any weakness except fairy

steep garden
strange temple
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Rate this team as welll

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chilly zealot
stone onyx
hazy plank
chilly zealot
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there aren't any good web setters so im gonna try hat or hazards

chilly zealot
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I'll experiment with an Assault Vest Glimmora, tweaking the Specs Set

hazy plank
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In New suicune

stone onyx
hazy plank
hazy plank
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To outspeed pult and all

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Adamant moon

stone onyx
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oh i want the special attack raise, is speed better for this?

chilly zealot
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i recommend sawsbuck for speed control

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i use it in my own sun team

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and it's deceptively good

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just don't band it, go for expert belt or life orb if you're feeling risky

hazy plank
stone onyx
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true

hazy plank
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Gold and moon

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Get with sun

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So this might also work

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I rlly like water Absorb clod btw

severe panther
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Did not make sun team at all

strange temple
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@hazy plank could you check my team out

strange temple
strange temple
hazy plank
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Except tht seems fine

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In both team

severe panther
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Did you check mine

strange temple
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K dude

subtle rose
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and make corv rh

hazy plank
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Fire is strong against u

severe panther
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What should i add then

subtle rose
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make tork heat rock

hazy plank
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Ceruledge seems fine Flash fire

subtle rose
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otherwise fine

subtle rose
hazy plank
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Armourage

subtle rose
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armarogue is not a real ou threat

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  • theres a rmoon right there?
hazy plank
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Volc ,moth??

severe panther
hazy plank
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Rain team??

subtle rose
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Most rona sets will lose to wake and rmoon

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moth u just rk

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rain is not rly a big deal w wake

hazy plank
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Dude Corviknight ain't a good choice in sun

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Whatever lol

severe panther
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😭

subtle rose
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corvi is a defensive pivot and can help w the tusk weakness

severe panther
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Then there aren't defoggers and ground immunity

subtle rose
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and if it works it works

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you dont really need a fogger on sun but its fine as is

severe panther
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Oh that's a relief

chilly zealot
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also i added my dumb nicknames

subtle rose
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questionable

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er

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ace is fine

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sawsbuck and glimmora are uh. not good fits here

chilly zealot
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sawsbuck is there for speed control and it's worked out so far, but what do you suggest?

subtle rose
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its.. its a sawsbuckcheempao

chilly zealot
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should i just switch it for roaring moon or smth

subtle rose
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if you want speed control you can change wake's EVs to +speed in sun

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for proto

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and rmoon is a normal fit on sun yea

chilly zealot
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and what do you suggest replaces glim

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i'm thinking garg but idk

subtle rose
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anything, honestly
as far as set changes go:

torkoal:
spin -> body press

gtusk:
tera water
leftovers -> boots

wake:
flamethrower > protect
if you want +speed, you can make it lower spatk and make the speed stat higher then the spatk stat

subtle rose
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common options include eject button hatterene and such

chilly zealot
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gotcha

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i think i'm gonna keep boots on gtusk in case of glim, i don't want my tusk getting poisoned

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WAIT I HAVE ACE

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NVM

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im just stupid lol

chilly zealot
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but i'll try it

subtle rose
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eject button allows u to go into the big hitters and hat can do bug damage

chilly zealot
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ohhh gotcha

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for my last member im thinking either pult or rmoon, maybe dhengo

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or some flying type for ground immunity

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maybe dnite?

chilly zealot
subtle rose
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yeah those all work

chilly zealot
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dhengo's the biggest maybe because in sun fire moves are stronger, but i need the fairy resist that can actually hit fairies back and that was originally AV Glim
rmoon's a good pivot but i have other options
pult's ALSO a good pivot but i have other options
and dnite gives the team some much needed bulk
AV glim gives me some utility in toxic debris and good coverage and can even surprise things like gtusk and grimmsnarl, and sun also dampens water with the notable exception of wake. it also eats tspikes

chilly zealot
subtle rose
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rmoon is the most common one u see at high levels

chilly zealot
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alright, what set do you recommend because i wanna avoid choice items

subtle rose
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usually banded

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but u can try smth like life orb or muscle band w the same moves

chilly zealot
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yeah i was thinking orb band or even ebelt

subtle rose
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meh on ebelt

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dragon is not SE against most things

chilly zealot
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yeah but with both wake and leaves on the rise i thought it’d be good
i also thought of using wish support in tail to help keep my frailer members alive

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but i’ll try rmoon for now and see how it goes

subtle rose
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leaves is fake

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and wish passing doesnt

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usually work

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cuz u still have to switch the mon in to receive the wish

chilly zealot
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yeah

subtle rose
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U can use hwish on eject button hatt though

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healinf wish

chilly zealot
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anyway i gotta drive home now and then i’ll do a few matches with rmoon and if it goes well i’ll let you know

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cya

valid tree
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Wait! Why 0 Att IVs?

fallen shale
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this is solid

subtle rose
valid tree
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OK thanks

chilly zealot
steep garden
spiral fable
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or stomping tantrum on a special scovillian set

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might want flare blitz over eq on slither wing

steep garden
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Spikes are often used on choice Pokémon like meow as another example just to set them up on a switch. Scorvillian is running it for coverage, it's attack is boosted 2x by growth anyways.

subtle rose
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eject button

subtle rose
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vast nexus
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Testing iron leaves

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Hints why it don’t have a name

wide robin
meager glen
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these never get any advice do they

velvet path
velvet path
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also naci is tera water to beat golden joe

green citrus
# velvet path https://pokepast.es/4bda7545d3af0a43

Id change some teras first; fairy rotom with twave is pretty nice rn. For physdef tusk water is super nice, for Curse Garg its nice to run tera water to beat dengo.

Id drop dondozo here, it kind of sucks the momentum out of this and just isnt a great mon rn (also triple water is pain)

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Id make the meow boots and then maybe put a different fastmon over dondozo?

green citrus
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But a lot of those names do a lot of work elsewhere on forums, with sample teams, rating other tiers, playing in tours, etc

velvet path
green citrus
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Hmm

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Well why did u put dozo on it to begin with? What was your reasoning

velvet path
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it was made before the chien pao ban and i wanted a chien check

rich acorn
green citrus
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Just kinda sun staples

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Eject hatt

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And maybe sash ceruledge

static crow
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you could do curse dozo if its setup, or ting-lu

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extreme solution would to run your own weather setter but thats unreasonable

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looks like rn gastro is your edge counter, so whatever you do run i would replace that

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why are you running gastro specifically

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kinda an anti meta pick

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also why tera normal on rouge, is it for ghosts?

subtle rose
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run fairy on gastro
if you can explain why armarogue is better then literally any other mon, keep it. otherwise, drop it

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im not sure how ledge is

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beating wake

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if ur that weak to it run tera fire or something

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on wake

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yeah thats

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not exactly a great scarfer

rich acorn
subtle rose
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its uu for a reason....

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no

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Nah

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on paper it already looks bad at revenge killing things

subtle rose
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use booster val or something

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I will not, tyvm..

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i'm not ur personal assistant, i don't really care if you succeed or not

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use whatever you want

tacit vortex
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This team has worked very well so far

rich acorn
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violet tundra
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What

onyx halo
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isnt sludge always better?

hazy plank
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Taunt over turn and sash??

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And y no protect on garg

strange kayak
onyx halo
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ohh

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violet tundra
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Ah alr

static crow
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you got nasty plot on a scarfer

violet tundra
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Idk I just yoink sample sets lmao

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Changed it

elfin bison
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I wanna try psyspam again

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Haven’t touched it since Espathra was legal

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What’s the replacement for Espathra?

severe panther
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Last member and is there some flaw ?

static crow
keen spindle
static crow
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having two fire weak pokemon in sun is pretty risky

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its fine if you wanna keep it its just dangerous with so many things carrying fire coverage

rare sundial
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does anyone have a set i could borrow for Zoroark-Hisui?

keen spindle
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I use nasty plot, shadow ball, flamethrower, and uturn holding leftovers

violet tundra
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Leftovers??

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Isn't zoro hella frail?

rare sundial
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im trying to build a HO team around it and its not going well

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it goes extremly well with king though

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it becomes a nasty guessing game of nasty plot or swords dance

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mental schooner
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my team

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can someone tell me what to improve on it

balmy hinge
ashen walrus
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been floating between 1700-1800 and really can't pin down what mon I want in the slot the iron valiant is, anyone have any suggestions? Had it as my designated scarf/special attacker but everything I have been trying there has not impressed me. Ideally something to lead with to beat meowscarada and/or hit neutral/+ on tusk / corv,
https://pokepast.es/f76ad4d88f25f02e

ashen walrus
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haha that was actually what I just had in, team just got too walled by tusk

spiral fable
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loom?

subtle rose
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dont see whats wrong with val

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also i dont like dd shard bax

spiral fable
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yeah shard felt off

subtle rose
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do dd eq tera ground or smth

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i think u want another faster mon in the last slot

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either a scarfer or val/pult or smth

ashen walrus
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very partial to that set but I can try breloom I suppose, not sure what set you had in mind. I was going to try a mixed chomp with hdb

subtle rose
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I think the only good loom set is cb

spiral fable
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you want like a fast mon that can also threaten meow and tusk and corv and there's not a lot, or really anything that can offer it other than val

ashen walrus
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suppose that's fair, I'll retest val and the other two suggestions

subtle rose
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if u want ace u can do

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wisp ace

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to deal w tusk

spiral fable
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still hits like a truck on ace but it can tank one hit if the burn hits

subtle rose
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oh yeah it doesnt like

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1v1

violet tundra
spiral fable
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tusk does like 70 after a burn so make sure your ace is healthy or that you've got a backup plan

spiral fable
ashen walrus
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thank you both for the advice

spiral fable
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np, gl

surreal raven
violet tundra
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Actually wait, don't I want my fire-type pivot to have boots??

mental schooner
spiral fable
spiral fable
violet tundra
spiral fable
# mental schooner pls

no real reason to tera fighting on dengo if no focus blast
probably want some form of hazard control, but half your team doesn't care anyways so idk up to you

spiral fable
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alternatively, you could drop court change and swap hatterene out for another mon

violet tundra
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Tusk maybe? Since it has rapid spin

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Wait no
I have court
Boots
Bounce
Defog
I now see what you're talking about

surreal raven
spiral fable
violet tundra
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Tbh I was just kinda clicking sample sets lmao

spiral fable
# surreal raven Ah! Okay then, what should i change?

remove ttar, if you want a decent special wall with the ability to hit back vest tusk is a set
maybe boots moth?
honestly you're just one switch of leaves to torkoal and another mon in ttar's spot from a sun team, so id recommend that, but if not, make either wake or leaves choiced/lo/something that's not booster energy idk their sets yet, and find a mon for ttar's spot

tame zinc
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https://pokepast.es/5224e745f46b9367 Fun sun team that I threw together in like 5 minutes was wondering if there were any flaws with it? Im fairly new to Showdown and dont really know what im doing

sly mauve
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https://pokepast.es/2d9385055fb06426

RMT sun offense
mandatory torkoal
av tusk gets def proto boost in sun so with av its an amazing amount of bulk
mandatory wake and rmoon
hatterene can switch into moves and keep momentum with eject button. magic bounce to repel hazards and healing wish to heal mons if things go south
AV azu can safely switch into opposing wake/moon and can threaten OHKO with play rough

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sly mauve
daring violet
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ight keep it

wind tulip
wise tangle
sly mauve
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does the same thing

ionic crag
hazy plank
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Fire blast,tbolt,u turn,shadow ball,draco

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It has everything

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U can try Tera bug pult u turn for meowkekw

green citrus
# ionic crag https://pokepast.es/81c52fe0c6f2e776 how is this team

Not bad; av tusk isnt very good though. Id run boots or leftovers physically defensive. Also skeledirge really does prefer being spdef. The team is a bit garganacl weak so id replace maybe hatterene for covert gholdengo, make tusk physdef rocks, and maybe run curse garg?

ionic crag
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How relevant is rotom wash in this tier?

green citrus
green citrus
ionic crag
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Do rotom wash go for max spatk investment?

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Because av tusk survived a hydro pump from a rotom wash

green citrus
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Mmm not often no

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A lot of them are defensive, either phys or spdef

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Hydro volt twave protect, sometimes last 2 can be nasty plot and tera blast

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Almost always tera fairy

ionic crag
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So how would a sun team work here now that walking wake is a thing?

green citrus
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Torkoal, Wake, Roaring Moon, Tusk, Hatterene, Filler usually

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Filler can be swing, sandy shocks, ceruledge, scovillain

ionic crag
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Isn’t ceruledge considered bad since it can’t do enough damage to tusk?

green citrus
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No

ionic crag
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How about dirge or garg

green citrus
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Bit too slow, sapping momentum from sun really sucks. Unlike with rain where pelipper can get its own mons in

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You really want to keep up the pressure

ionic crag
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k

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well what about scarf valiant

green citrus
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On sun ?

ionic crag
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ye

green citrus
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Eh, dont see the purpose

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If ur gonna run a valiant at all there id just run booster

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But overall u probably want a sun abuser

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Since there is like 100 to pick from

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green citrus
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Choice band moon + sash ceruledge

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And eject button on hatt

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Rest is fine

ionic crag
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then acrobatics would be useless

keen spindle
green citrus
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Im aware acro would be useless, not telling u to use acro

ionic crag
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So uh what would the moveset be if it’s a band moon set?

green citrus
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Outrage, crunch, iron head, uturn

ionic crag
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Could I replace outrage with earthquake?

green citrus
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Yeah sure

green citrus
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Yeah hatt w/eject button is good on sun

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Force momentum and keep off hazards

wind tulip
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Ok thx

sly mauve
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Can I get help on a team?

green citrus
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Sure

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Im on mobile rn so its harder without being able to see teambuilder but i can give baseline advice rn

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Pokepaste it

sly mauve
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Its been doing well tera water garg + corv + wash makes for a good in and out core that I can swap between until my heavy hitters get their chance

sly mauve
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@green citrus pm me your thoughts I got school and dont wanna miss any critiques

green citrus
wind tulip
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Without dirge don’t i suffer a little from hisui-zoro?

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With Tera normal hyper voice it kinda violates the team

green citrus
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Hm

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Honestly not sure since i havent played much into horoark meta yet but dirge is a shaky check anyways

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I think roarmoon is ur best bet

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U could try tera dark hatt too if u wanna snipe it maybe

severe panther
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Bruh

green citrus
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Or steel tusk

severe panther
green citrus
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There is a scream tail, and nothing immediately threatening

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Its just pivots

severe panther
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Oh wait makes sense

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So what should i do

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It is losing to hattrenne bad

tame zinc
keen spindle
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Thoughts?

green citrus
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Just more optimized

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Also maybe do roaring moon over sash meow here

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The zoroark is interesting, is there a specific strategy in mind?

green citrus
surreal raven
sly mauve
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@green citrus

wind tulip
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Or any ground type move

subtle rose
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u go into ur own or hatt and pivot

waxen comet
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https://pokepast.es/091e5377f3ffa674
BO team around FS Slowking + Specs Valiant

Dunno about the Dnite set, it's been a great glue to the team checking a buncha stuff and the moveset has been working out for me, just not sure about the EV spread and the move choices

green citrus
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Is slowking necessary here?

waxen comet
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not per se I guess? He's been my main wwake (and general sun) answer

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and the team did start with the FS + Valiant idea

daring violet
daring violet
waxen comet
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I'll give those a go

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what evs does the curse set run

daring violet
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252 Sp.def 252 HP +Sp.Def -Sp.att nature

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EQ > SR Curse > Protect

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same tera

waxen comet
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aight, thanks

daring violet
sly mauve
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Andviet you there

green citrus
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@daring violet hi

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Say it back

daring violet
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i am here

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hi

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@green citrus @sly mauve

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🙂

sly mauve
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Ok i want some thoughts on this team

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https://pokepast.es/710cd5d8e0c94069 so far its been doing pretty well

Garg + rotom wash + corviknight makes for a great defensive core to swap between

Scarf gren is a good speedy cleaner

Iron val is a great wall breaker that threatens what dragonite or gren cant hit

Dnite is our priority revenge killer + sweeper

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# sly mauve Ok i want some thoughts on this team

I don't like Dragon Tera on Corvi noone on the team can take on moonblast so I think it's beneficial going with a different tera, maybe ground. I think Greninja should def have uturn as a pivoter over grass knot probably, i would change the nature on nacl to +sp.def and -sp.att (not sassy nature). id go tera fairy / steel on rotom-w based on the matchups you see. as i told the other user above it might be best to go with trick over one of your valiant attacks to break some walls.

sly mauve
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Hmmm over which attack? Shadow ball maybe? But then skeledirge kills and scarf dirge can snowball quite easily with torch song though i guess dnite and greninja are enough to solve that problem

past night
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Hello all, I’ve been using this till about 1400s and it’s hella fun. I haven’t ran into too much issues with any one Pokémon in particular except sub skeledirge. Can I get an opinion or any help to improve this team further?

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And of course a rating

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ho go brrrrrr

spiral fable
buoyant prawn
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Also idk what else item to put for Roaring Moon

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Eject pack so after cc or hr tusk gets a free switch

limpid nova
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been having fun playing this team, only mon I wont change is Gengar. Been getting fucked by walking wake, basically only counter atm is rotom-wash hitting it with t-wave. Don't have a consistent lead but idk if that matters, any adjustments appreciated.
https://pokepast.es/415dcbd6f906429e

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severe panther
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Well so this is not able to break through bulk up tus

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That shit lives 2 flower tricks from meow without tera from full

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And corv is slight problem

green citrus
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I mean if ur not running spikes meow should be cb anyways

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U could make rotom into fairy if u wanna beat BU tusk

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Also make tusk rocks and garg curse i think

severe panther
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So tusk should be rapid spin rock then knock and eq right?

graceful pivot
static crow
severe panther
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Oh ty

fringe patrol
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I have two OU teams anyone mind rating them real qui k

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tada

lofty flame
static crow
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I'd either make just a sun team or just a tr team

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Its also really passive and for tr, where you're on a timer before it runs out, you wanna be as aggressive as possible

rich kernel
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anyone mind rating my sun team here?

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lofty flame
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Hey look it's the guy from #!

green citrus
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?

flat pasture
rose hinge
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need help with sun plsss

proven hare
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Water Tusk is Anti-Rain

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I could go for Tera Fire on Moon since Trick Valiant is the only counterplay I have for Volcarona

fervent shell
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ive thoughts about replacing orb with scarf on wake and putting pulse on it

static crow
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I go specs with Wake tbh

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But if not I'd keep orb

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If you adjust ivs right you get speed in sun

fervent shell
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yeah i was gonna adjust the stats if i go with specsa

haughty summit
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https://pokepast.es/397d6602b60fe916 Hey can I please get some advice, this is my first time playing since towards the end og gen8 where I was sitting about 1500. But I currently cant get past 1300. So any advice would be great

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@worn arrow @fallow crag @daring violet @dry edge @green citrus @severe shard

static crow
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i personally wouldnt run wave crash, liquidation and aqua jet on floatzel

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even though ik the smogon analysis has it

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id either swap aqua jet or liquidation for crunch

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also why the super specific ev spreads

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like why not go full 252 speed in float

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@daring violet

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# young owl https://pokepast.es/4b8ec7ac4325a968

team looks good a few small changes i can see: 96 speed evs to outspeed walking wake outside of a speed boost under sun, and lastly to go with a booster energy set of iron leaves where you're getting a speed boost, i don't know much about the viability of the cb set

haughty summit
delicate shale
daring violet
fresh yoke
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hi everyone, I was trying zoroark-hisui for fun and deciced to build a team

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doesn't feel very good

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can u give me ur opinions?

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U def want a new set on zoroark. I would go for a specs set with atleast shadow ball, flamethrower, and focus blast. Grass knot or Tera blast is a good 4th I tend to find. Balloon on gholden might not be necessary cuz u already have dnite to switch in. Maybe go eject pack to pivot after make it rain or covert cloak. And lastly switch dnites item to boots and I think that should be good enough in my opinion

dull gull
#

Hi , I'm trying to build a baxcalibur/slowking core, but im currently stuck on what pokemon I should use as my 6th, are there any better options besides amoonguss?

https://pokepast.es/d57c1d32e525823b

dry edge
# dull gull Hi , I'm trying to build a baxcalibur/slowking core, but im currently stuck on w...

Its a fine start. I am more concerned about hazards since you are rather weak to them and Banded Tusk isn't the best form of removal. Would try boots on Slowking and Amoonguss instead. Court Change Cinderace > Zoroark would also help with this and improve your Volcarona mu a bit.

Remember to choose your teras! And try Sassy 0 Speed IVs Slowking (so you click Chilly Reception as slow as possible)

rose hinge
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tried to make a team for walking wake

sly mauve
ruby crest
# rose hinge https://pokepast.es/c537c3f1d9dacdb0

Go tera dragon > water, and pump > hurricane as alternative especially since hurricane accuracy becomes worse in sun, make this offensive tusk with ice spinner to better pressure dnites which usually give sun an issue, and eject button hatt > gambit

rose hinge
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idk cos i feel like defensive tusk has been really helpful

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also ill change wake rq too

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i never really clicked hurricane lol

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248 HP116 Def144 Spe
Tera Type
Steel

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is this eject hatt set?

ruby crest
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Ye

rose hinge
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still not too sure bout offensive tusk here

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are rocks not important

ruby crest
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Torkoal should be the rocker fwiw

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Tusk itself fairly bulky regardless even if it where to go offensive

rose hinge
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ig remove spin

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on tork

ruby crest
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Plus being able to pressure dnite goes a long way

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Torkoal usually runs plume, bpress, spin, and last slot is customizable tho most common is rocks

rose hinge
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252 attack 252 speed 4 def headlong rush, cc ice spinner rapid spin?

rose hinge
ruby crest
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No knock is kinda oof

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You can try it but I do prefer just cause having torkoal let’s offensive tusk have all the moves it wants to be a crazy offensive presence

rose hinge
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ig

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its just that having sr weakness and trying to be a spinner is gonna be a bit awkward

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wait wtf

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my tusk was bold this whole time

ruby crest
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Well that’s why you also have hatt in the back to help prevent hazards constantly being up

rose hinge
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do the remaining 4 go into defense

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or spdef

ruby crest
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It’s whatever it doesn’t really matter it’s just filler

rose hinge
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and tera remains steel right?

ruby crest
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Fighting

rose hinge
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and lefties right

ruby crest
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Ye

rose hinge
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im getting walled by scream tail ahh

rain gyro
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https://pokepast.es/dda77eb020b618d7 I got to 1750 from 1200 with this team and i'm scared to mess with it but still do want to see what others think

any suggestions are welcome but please don't change it's core

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cringe bot it's already been 6 hours and 7 minutes

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dry edge
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Its alr. Seems a bit weak to stall cause I am not sure how you break pass Dondozo + Clod

rain gyro
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clod is manageable

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but dozo is murderous

dry edge
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Yeah its moreso Dondozo + smth that deals with rona

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so like dozo + pex, dozo + clod, dozo + skele, would all be troublesome I feel

rain gyro
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yea

severe panther
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How you pass dozo+dirge

rain gyro
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but that costs both moon and my tera

dry edge
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Not sure how much you can do besides Taunt > Roost on Moon

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to at least wear Dozo down

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also helps vs skele a bit

severe panther
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Oh yes mhmm

rain gyro
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i used roost to setup on great tusk

dry edge
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Yee I get it, Roost is good

rain gyro
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but hmmmm

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another option is sac glimm lead and use something else

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but idk how much that compensates

dry edge
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Maybe try it and see how it plays out against that mu and others(?) Maybe it isnt super helpful in practice

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Cause they can also go Mola and spam chilling water

rain gyro
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yeah that team is the one i almost never beat

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i've only beaten it through god forsaken crits in very specific moments

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but well i mean

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you can't really teambuild against everything

dry edge
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yee

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I personally like Tera Dark on Black Glasses Kingambit, helps break down fat though that team might still be rough cause of Talon

rain gyro
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oh yeah about kingambit

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i was gonna metnion gambit

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i hadn't properly thought of tera types, and that spread

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speed is to outspeed 28 speed dirge

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but i don't know how outdated that is lmao

dry edge
rain gyro
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fair lmao

dry edge
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I haven't seen Skeles go super fast

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and yeah you lose a lot of bulk by going max max

rain gyro
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yeah

sly mauve
tame zinc
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Or should I just keep it

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I'll take this as the most recent iteration of the team. I don't think azu works too well here; I could see another pivot to fully cement the VoltTurn core you have, something like Cinderace or Meowscarada would work

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This would necessitate Tera Fairy on garg

static crow
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Imo I'd go meow

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Go Infiltrator on Pult maybe

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As well as Pain Split to Rotom W?

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I thought Rotom W doesn't get pain split

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And yeah sadly Rotom W doesnt have pain split in this gen

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Oh

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I see

rare scarab
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But prob gonna replace it

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Any set recommendations?

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@green citrus

tame zinc
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Or Wake itself counters specs steam I think

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but everybody's having wake issues so idrk

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it also gets rid of the sun if u use chilly reception on it

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Which makes Hydro Steam less of a problem

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Tera water garg walls wake

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should I go av azu > rotom-wash?

rose hinge
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going well tbh but id like advice

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Get rid of glimmers

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Glimmers

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Glimmora

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Just fits HO more

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Fun team!

low quarry
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Thanks!

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@fallow crag
@daring violet

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Pinged two online raters

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i am kinda new to this is this for singles or doubles?

real willow
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Singles

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It's been > 6hrs so I can post this team again

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Is going av azu > rotom wash a reasonable change for the ww sus?

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required to have gastrodon btw

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Also if you're running Air Balloon and offensive NP suggest making it max spa and max spe

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@frigid sierra @daring violet @green citrus

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curse garg >. also would do specs valiant here

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and kingambit either tera dark or fire

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i think either of those r just better rn