[DO NOT USE][ARCHIVED] SV OU Rates

[hasty fable]

thank you for the suggestion

would curse be fine on the 4th slot for clod instead of running rocks?

[drowsy mural]

@dry edge made some adjustments and took into account some things you said, switched up valiant and went to hat also for more passive agro

https://pokepast.es/2276fc60fbce7659

[daring violet]

I don't think anyone rated your team so I'll give a quick rate: I feel like NP Dengo is pretty annoying to this team, I also see Nacl being annoying to this team if it teras to fairy. I would tera dark with roaring moon over dragon, i would also go with covert cloak on corviknight and give it taunt over uturn and potentially go for brave bird over body press. for lokix i would consider to go jolly to take on and revenge dengo by outspeeding it which you currently dont if it runs max speed (dengo)

[drowsy mural]

Put terra fire on volc to deal with other volcs and cinder

[tropic ice]

cool, thanks

[onyx sun]

Bro all the raters are on when Im afk

[tropic ice]

isn't the only way to hit dengo sucker anyways?

[daring violet]

you can run throat chop

[tropic ice]

I see, thanks

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/422d0fe8b237bb9e PLS I NEED HELP

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile lava]

looks kinda tusk weak

[proven hare]

No breaker

[agile lava]

that too

i think we replace pult

[proven hare]

Also Court Change + Dual Hazards Ting Lu

Is ironical

[agile lava]

what are the cinderace evs gor

for

i think the move is

physdef rotom

defensive tusk > tinglu

and cb pao > pult

we don’t need tinglu here since we already have a specially defensive ghost resist

so physdef tusk is cool

[velvet path]

ok

[agile lava]

physdef rotom + tusk

will make tusk easy as shit to deal with

[velvet path]

thank u very much

[proven hare]

Tusk's best check is Tusk itself

[brazen yew]

https://pokepast.es/9bd9c36fa4047412
hi, I'm brand new in comp Pokémon, don't know much about pokemon in general. I love scizor and tried build team with him. It's suppose to be a balance defense/attack team i think

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen yew]

Also i played just Pokémon emerald

[rain gyro]

i'm bad at this gen so i don't know how the pokemon synergize with each other

so i'll leave that to the actual rates

but boots on scizor isn't the best idea

i don't know about thief because technician boost is cool tho

[brazen yew]

I took this from smogon site, lol

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/scizor/

[rain gyro]

a

i don't know then /shrug

i just never saw scizor running boots before lmao

[brazen yew]

Do you even see scizor in ou?

[rain gyro]

i mean

every now and then

but not that often

[brazen yew]

I didn't try this team tho

Sounds good on paper, i have attackers that can be switched to bulky Pokémon

[pale remnant]

New to comp and need some feedback 🙂 https://pokepast.es/01b0c8a0d16d2038

[subtle rose]

not a terrible start, but your pokemon don't really have any synergy w each other

[subtle rose]

looks like pretty standard hazard stack, I think on this you want helmet corviknight to punish great tusk and I would move the tera types around a little

also, because you have no scarfer, you could do scarf rotom-wash

[rain gyro]

man i used to make this mistake so much when i was new too

but for an absolute first team

that's better than most people

[rain gyro]

https://pokepast.es/325b38fe6c2e5fc9 sv ou

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rain gyro]

i made this from absolute scratch

and it's my first time building a team without any external base on this gen

so dont judge 😭

i've been having a decent success with this team including some good sweeps but there's one or another thing that feels off lmao

so why not ask

[subtle rose]

dont like orth here

[rain gyro]

ic, anythin to replace with?

[subtle rose]

I think u can rocks garg and add literally anything for orth

[rain gyro]

oh

[subtle rose]

for offensive pressure

[rain gyro]

oh i see

so rocks > iron defense on garg

and another offensive dude over orth?

[subtle rose]

Yh

[rain gyro]

anything else or

[subtle rose]

i prefer acro terafly rmoon but thats whyv

[rain gyro]

whyv?

[subtle rose]

whatever** sorry im on a phone

[rain gyro]

oh

its fine lol

what's best over orthworm btw

my brain died

iyo i mean

[fallow crag]

I don’t know why you have an orthworm on this team

[rain gyro]

it was mostly for roaring moon but i guess it's not

worth it

to have a whole mon dedicated to support another one and being completely useless otherwise lol

[fallow crag]

I’d go rocks garg and then probably meowscarada instead

Also probably want choiced moon on this not booster

[rain gyro]

o fair

[fallow crag]

Clodsire is another good option instead of the worm

[rain gyro]

what is choiced moon set lol

[rain gyro]

rocks clodsire or

[fallow crag]

Use a choice item like choice scarf or choice band instead of booster energy on roaring moon

[rain gyro]

oh

and then replace dd with?

[fallow crag]

Could be or spikes if you I do want rocks garg

[fallow crag]

U turn

And probably use Tera steel

Or dark

[rain gyro]

noted

[fallow crag]

Tera dragon is just not good when so many things are Tera fairy + chien pao

[rain gyro]

fair

also spikes clod seems fun i never thought of that

[fallow crag]

Clod is a fun lad

[rain gyro]

lefties or helmet clod?

https://pokepast.es/f154127a1ca2a9fa
@fallow crag this good?

[fallow crag]

I like, I prefer heavy duty boots on clod but yeah I’m a fan of this

[rain gyro]

cool haha

[fallow crag]

Lefties or boots are fine, helmet ain’t

[rain gyro]

is corv still ideal tho because dual hazards

i'm just wondering

also sure

[rain gyro]

i'd rather keep lefties due to tspikes

[fallow crag]

Yeah I think corv is good

[rain gyro]

boots prevent me from absorbing them last i checked

oh ait

[fallow crag]

They do not

[rain gyro]

oh

nevermind then lmao

[fallow crag]

That would make sense wouldn’t it

Alas, game freak is not one to make sense

[rain gyro]

so true

oh well i guess for a first team that wasn't too bad

other than unsynergized worm

thanks tho lmao

[lofty quest]

Hello

I am new to this gen and I created my first gen 9 team

https://pokepast.es/6f472b38e31e092a

am still rather new to this gen and I still am struggling with the new gimmick of terastallization about what mon is it worth more in my team to use it the most, how should I use it (defensive or offensive), and when should I use it

[rain gyro]

bold nature would be better than impish on grimmsnarl because you have no attacking moves

and that diminishes your confusion and foul play damage taken by 1 and 2%!!!!!!!

(jokes aside you have no reason to not do it anyway lol)

also the chien pao moveset is a little weird

but the mons seem good

i'm bad at this gen too tho

so ask someone else

[lofty quest]

oh ok noted

[rain gyro]

llol

[rain gyro]

also pao gets sacred sword

so brick break is outclassed lol

[lofty quest]

to be clear I have no idea what am doing with this new mon other than the fact that it kills

[rain gyro]

no your base seems fine

just do ice spinner over either ice shard or swords dance

and sacred sword over brick breakk

[lofty quest]

oh ok

[rain gyro]

pao hits like a truck anyway

and it's got 405 speed so ice shard isn't THAT needed

then again i enphatize i'm down bad at this gen

so we need someone that is actually like good to show up lol

[lofty quest]

not a lot of mon have priority that can threaten chien atm

[rain gyro]

true

[lofty quest]

other than accelerock

[rain gyro]

only mach punch

and accelerock

but accelerock is held by lycanrock alone

[lofty quest]

Ye

[rain gyro]

and you're not staying in on breloom or pawmot anyway

[lofty quest]

ye

you're just dumb or on some sort of drug if you decide to stay on a 4x weakness

[rain gyro]

true lmao

[lofty quest]

also I wanted brick break so that I can get rid of the screen of the opposing grims

[subtle rose]

U shard loom

[lofty quest]

? what does that mean

oh breloom

doesn't breloom run mach punch like almost all the time?

[subtle rose]

Ice Shard

[rain gyro]

does ice shard even 1 tap

[subtle rose]

If cpao is carrying it

Yes

[rain gyro]

and yeah not all paos carry it

[rain gyro]

m

i mean he's running

screens

[subtle rose]

Oh

[rain gyro]

so he doesn't have space for shard

unless no fighting coverage

[lofty quest]

so I don't need priority?

[rain gyro]

i honestly don't know

[subtle rose]

U do

Crash sucker ssword on sd cpao

[rain gyro]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

[lofty quest]

I have hatterene for that and trickroom

[rain gyro]

man

[rain gyro]

trickroom with pao

that's not optimal

[lofty quest]

I only trick room when my other mons can't outspeed

or when my trick room mons can do a lot

they just need to go first

[rain gyro]

then that's a waste of a mon because on screen teams you don't really want to switch out

all the time

[lofty quest]

true

[rain gyro]

because you lose buffs lol

i'd personally do

stored power hatt

if you wanna run it

[lofty quest]

then should I replace grimm?

[lofty quest]

stored power?

isn't that the move where you need to boost your stats in order to do decent dmg?

[rain gyro]

yeah but on hatt and espathra that's broken

on screens

especially on espathra

you get +60 power a turn if you calm mind

[lofty quest]

espathra?

[rain gyro]

the duck

psychic duck

[lofty quest]

oh

the lady gaga birb

[rain gyro]

yeah that

it's an ostrich

but anyway

or however you spell it

[lofty quest]

I pair hat with espathra?

[rain gyro]

i like the core of this team i just feel like some specifics are

buggy

no that's not needed

[lofty quest]

Yeah I feel the same way

but at the same time this is my first team on this gen

[rain gyro]

yea that's not bad for a first team

trust i've seen worse

[lofty quest]

so they are bound to be errors there

[lofty quest]

so have I..

btw should I replace hat with the ostrich?

[rain gyro]

https://pokepast.es/3d6dc1c80e558690

i tried to remake your team here lol

[lofty quest]

oh thanks

could you explain the team for me since I have no idea what am doing with this?

from the looks of it I have 2 leads

and I don't have trick room anymore

very interesting

[spiral fable]

i would recommend roost over bug buzz on volc

[lofty quest]

he doesn't learn it anymore

they removed roost on volc

which sucks

[spiral fable]

they did? damn

[lofty quest]

yeah..

rip

[spiral fable]

wait no it still has morning sun

[lofty quest]

oh wait what

this is huge

I forgot it could learn that

support volc can still be a thing

thank god

[spiral fable]

also thoughts on dragapult on stall as anti gholdengo and sub cereludge and anything else that threatens my team
https://pokepast.es/0eca9a1b8945aeb9

[lofty quest]

1 problem

[spiral fable]

lead with glim, set up hazards, die
grimm, screens, parting shot out
switch in sweeper of choice
sweep

or die if you cant

[lofty quest]

you don't have any physical attackers

[spiral fable]

i mean
why would i need one

[lofty quest]

glim?

[spiral fable]

glimmora

[lofty quest]

defog kills your strat

also this team is evil

[spiral fable]

i didnt build this team m8 thats just what its trying to do

[lofty quest]

bruh 4 heavy-duty boosts

[spiral fable]

no hazard removal so boots it is

[lofty quest]

I hate stall

[spiral fable]

also its 5 boots

[lofty quest]

no its 4 because draga has specs

[spiral fable]

blis, dengo, dirge, mola, and clod all have boots

and then drag has specs for anti offense

[lofty quest]

toxapex has regenrator and toxic spikes and regular spikes and poison/toxic

[spiral fable]

And?

[rose hinge]

not relevant here

[lofty quest]

Sadly

[spiral fable]

Like it or hate it it’s still a play style

[rose hinge]

gambit might possibly be a problem?

[lofty quest]

am saying that toxapex could be a nice mon for the team when it comes to stall but at the end of the day its your team and whatever you decide to build

[rose hinge]

tbh pex probably is better than clod here

[spiral fable]

I can usually handle it by baiting sd and then Tera fairy wisp on dirge

[rose hinge]

but im guessing you need the ground?

[spiral fable]

I need the special wall and unaware

[rose hinge]

for espathra?

[spiral fable]

That, but also decently effective at scaring out gholdengo, and blocking volc and moth

Also can blank some iron valiants if no psyshock

And can stall out salt cures against Garg if necessary

[rose hinge]

also pao is probably a nightmare to deal with outside of tera fairying

but that can be predicted

also tusk could be a problem spamming knock

[spiral fable]

Tera fairy dirge is a good counter and mola can serve as an emergency check

[spiral fable]

Mola traps and kills with whirlpool and can absorb the knock

[lethal surge]

https://pokepast.es/f232bb63a5fe7c04

Any thoughts on my team? I

[spiral fable]

Why charge on pex?

[lethal surge]

Oh shit

Its suppose to be chilling water

Just to counter heavy attackers

[spiral fable]

Lol

[lethal surge]

But any issues with my team?

[spiral fable]

A: probably change the Tera on toxapex to idk fairy or something idk what’s the optimal on it
B: your team seems to have shaky at best checks against pao, and Tera dark banded crunches probably rip it apart

I would recommend Tera fairy on dirge for that

[sly mauve]

@ruby crest https://pokepast.es/4ee34ba7940c03ac is this too slow or is scarf breloom fine?

[ruby crest]

Way to slow and loom wants a diff item

Tho realistically I’m more in favor going pao > loom, and pex > azu, physdef tusk > bu, spdef dirge, and fix the tera for a bunch of the mons

[rain gyro]

https://pokepast.es/8dfac0b267b182a1

sv ou

bot is on cooldown lol..

but anyway

i wanted to build a quaq ho team

keep quaq please

anything else is volatile (including quaq set)

[rose hinge]

metronome isnt a good item on quaq

[rain gyro]

noted, i see people running it everywhere but i was also skeptical lol

i brought it here to see if anyone would call it out

[rose hinge]

just use leftovers or something

where do people use metronome??

[rain gyro]

i've thought

well over 5 people with it

on lower ladder tho

1400s or something

[rose hinge]

huh weird

[rain gyro]

i can't get past it i always lose to something stupid

lmao

anything else tho?

[rose hinge]

leftovers is decent cos it gives quaq longevity and makes priority less devastating

[rain gyro]

yeah i remember doing it a while ago

[fresh yoke]

hi everyone

can you guys give your opinion on my team?

https://pokepast.es/dde45328a9befe94

[fallow crag]

palafin is banned

and you also have everything set to level 50?

[fresh yoke]

it's a doubles team

and

palafin isn't banned in doubles

oh sorry

i didn't notice there was a DOU rating team

[elfin bison]

looking for a sample team that uses chien-pao

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/4bb8dcf20c384654 how is this? Trying to make a team without legends for a league server.

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

Still needs to be good cuz its for a tournament

[dry edge]

Hey, you can find sample teams in the following link https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

Other good teams featuring Chien-Pao can be found here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/teams-of-the-week-week-8-ft-greninja-chien-pao-and-meowscarada.3712009/#post-9489685

Would personally recommend Pinkacross and Ox the Fox teams, both are fairly solid and feature Chien-Pao

[elfin bison]

thanks so much!!

[dry edge]

Hey, we don't rate teams with arbitrary rules such as no legendaries.

[sly mauve]

Ah

[dry edge]

Maybe you can get help from one of your friends playing on the same league(?)

[elfin bison]

i mainly wanted to get a feel for chien-pao before the suspect vote

[rugged pollen]

how does this look https://pokepast.es/60033ac81693ac3c

[patent kite]

Icicle crash on chien pao over spinner, sacred sword over brick break

and what is the 20 spe on scizor for?

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/d86e2a81ef6625a7

i also changed rocks on clod to spikes

because i forgot i had rocks on tusk

[rugged pollen]

icicle crash 10% miss chances loses games on the spot whereas the 30% flinch chance cannot be relied on. brick break over scared sword because in most scenarios the extra power from sacred sword does not matter as anything sacred sword is going to be hitting is likely gonna be a super effective hit

brick breaks ability to destroy screens helps with match up against grimsnarl screens because most grimsnarls sacrafices spirit break for parting shot and thus cannot touch chien pao

20 spe evs on scizor helps with outspeeding corviknight, skeledirge, and orthworm

this team gets absolutely demolished by teams that run both tusk and garg

[patent kite]

Oh okay, I understand now

[patent kite]

Also why are you using a defensive roaring moon? || sorry I'm kinda new||

[subtle rose]

I don't think u are in the wrong here

sacred sword is a solid 15 bp more

that's big

and ice crash is useful bc that can win u the game on the spot, and losing cpao does not usually entail losing the game

• defensive rmoon was used to check chiyu during chiyu era, but is not relevant anymore

[patent kite]

[spiral fable]

https://pokepast.es/702738f1fcc5bcc7
opinions on dragapult on stall

why im running it: sub cereledge and gholdengo pose massive threats to my team, and also its just a good revenge killer if one of my stall mons go down

[rugged pollen]

As I mentioned before, sacred sword’s extra bp is hardly relevant. Most mons that chienpao “needs” to hit with scared sword is 2hko’d or 1hko’d by both sacred sword and brick break alike.

Of all currently available mons in ou, the following are the only ones where the damage of sacred sword vs brick break makes a difference(Do correct me if I did overlook certain calcs or if certain calcs were wrong)

Calc i used: https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/honkalculate.html?mode=one-vs-all

Key:
BB = Brick Break
SS = Sacred Sword
DD = Dragon Dance
AV = Assault Vest
OHKO = One Hit Knock Out

Offensive DD Baxcalibur
SS - Guaranteed OHKO
BB - 87.5% chance to OHKO

Slush rush sweeper Cetitan
SS - Guaranteed OHKO
BB - 37.5% chance to OHKO

Shell Smash Cloyster
SS - Guaranteed OHKO
BB - Guranteed 2HKO

Stealth Rock Garganacl
SS - Guaranteed 2HKO after leftovers recovery
BB - 89.1% 2HKO after leftovers recovery

Offensive Iron Thorns
SS - Guaranteed OHKO
BB - 50% OHKO

Offensive & AV & Utility Iron Treads
AV & Utility
SS - 43.8% OHKO
BB - Guaranteed 2HKO
Offensive
SS - Guaranteed OHKO
BB - Guaranteed 2HKO

Bulk up Quakuaval
SS - 76.6% 2HKO
BB - Guaranteed 3HKO

Sp. Def Umbreon
SS - 68.8% OHKO
BB - Guaranteed 2HKO

The comparisons were made with the idea of mons that “needed” to be hit with sacred sword being the ones where the use of the move is the most efficient means of securing a ko. The comparisons were done without the consideration of tera dark crunch as an option due reasons/weaknesses specific to this rather “immature” team that i built. Specifically, tera will in most cases not be used on chien pao but rather be used defensively on either cold, gho, or moon to help with specific matchups. However, if tera dark were to be considered an option when comparing calcs there will be many instances where crunch dmg will surpass that of scared sword, making both fighting moves less relevant in general, reducing there necessity of them and invalidating certain cases where scared sword is “needed” over brick break. The option of tera dark crunch and the help from hazards along with the already limited difference along with the existence of counter plays available with the team against scenarios where the difference in move choice matter is why I believe brick break to be at the very least an equal pick to sacred sword.

Of course, the specific ev spreads of certain mons are not limited to standarised sets and there exists many other factors when determining the practicality and proficiency of movies and stratergies.

It is true that missing icicle crash does not always lose me the game on the spot. But icicle crash flinch, too does not necessarily win me the game on the spot either. I believe that it is best to say that both events merely decreases or increases the players chance of victory significantly, with the degree of which varying depending on each specific game.

The 30% chance of icicle crash flinch outright winning the game is only possible 27% (hit into flinch) of the time in instances where i am in a position where the reliance on such odds is necessary(or in other words, when im losing badly and need flinch to bail).

As a player gets progressively better at the game, the number of times such instances may occur decreases, reducing the net total of times where flinch may benefit you whereas losing to misses can happen to anyone indiscriminately. I am not certain if this is my case, i just prefer the peace of mind of hitting your attacks.

[rugged pollen]

no need to be sorry, im not exactly the most competent player/builder either. Im using roaring here as a consistent special wall/pivot. It has reliable recovery and helps against special based threats such as gholdengo and iron moth. It having u turn allows more chances of entry for chien pao(which is the offensive backbone of this team)

[patent kite]

Oh okay

[brazen yew]

https://pokepast.es/6b838cda396df727 tried make some synergy. What do you think?

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen yew]

I don't like scarf on gholdengo, what i can choose expect that?

[rigid socket]

https://pokepast.es/d54410588150bc72

i cant find a 6th mon i tried iron threads great tusk and pawmot they didnt get as much value as i wanted

[sly mauve]

Here is my first rain team https://pokepast.es/9b280acbfa190c4a i thought specs gren and banded float would make for a nearlu unwallable duo due to grens variety

[sly mauve]

Maybe using all 3 is too much water

@ruby crest

[supple forge]

I don't really think lo garchomp fits here

And I would rather go eject button on amoongus

[subtle rose]

the problem w this is that u assume every pokemon is always going to be at full

which is never the case

and the screen’s matchup is so uncommon that theres no reason to take sxtra powee

[unkempt hill]

also i wouldn't recommend spinner over crash either

its really just preference

both moves are good

and screens fell off hard after the recent bans

id rather take the extra damage into random defense boosting garg

[subtle rose]

^^ and that, ssword deals with id garg

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/ac79abbafa430dfb

[viral sable]

New OU RMT @worn arrow, @ruby crest, @fallow crag, @frigid sierra, @agile lava, @daring violet, @granite bear, @dry edge, @green citrus, @severe shard. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sly mauve]

Rate it 1-10

[fallow crag]

I like the team as is, nice job

It is a bit slow but I think that is ok, only tough matchup would be band roaring moon

And ofc band chien but that’s a tough matchup for everyone

[sly mauve]

Ty ty

I have some check ideas

But

Rn all I can do is jus wall pao with dozo

[fallow crag]

I’m pretty sure Tera dark band just claims

[sly mauve]

YaH

[fallow crag]

But like I said

[sly mauve]

Not rlly a check for pao

[fallow crag]

That’s true for most teams

[sly mauve]

Unless u run scarf vali

But

Dont wanna waste vali

Jus to check pao

[fallow crag]

Looks like a fun team tho

[sly mauve]

Rlly

At low rank

It was hilarious seeing people use a fire move

On flash fire

Ez sweep

Im higher ranks

(Im at 1.9)

It got harder to set up with ceru

[proven hare]

not until i have an HO in 1800s

[sly mauve]

Cuz people didnt use fire moves

And dozo was on meat

But vali helped alot with dozo

One thunder bolt and then they were 2 scared so they backed out

[sly mauve]

No he doesn’t dondozo cooks him

[fallow crag]

You aren’t max def

You’re SpD

[sly mauve]

1 curse and dozo is up

[fallow crag]

And you won’t always be at +1 vs it!

[sly mauve]

Nvm

He cooks me

60%

[cold osprey]

team started trying (and failing) to trap gholdengo but it's turned into something else and I've been having fun with it, how's this look? https://pokepast.es/17646bc970892990 (SVOU)

[dry edge]

Hey. Yee Gholdengo can't be trapped by Magnet Pull cause it is a Ghost type. Ghos t types are immune to trapping.

Teams looks a bit over the place right now. I don't think dual hazards Garchomp and Corviknight go together well. The former is also a rather odd choice since you have no spin nor defog blocker. I suppose Magnezone helps trap Corvi(?) but that seems more of a quality of life and not something necessary. Team is very weak to Bulk Up Great Tusk and Skeledirge.

What direction ar eyou trying to take though? A more offensive team or a balance? And like how willing are you sacrifice Zone since it doesn't seem particularly useful here

[cold osprey]

generally offensive, I'd like to keep magnezone but if its job can be done better I'm open to changing.

What would be a better hazard removal mon? I still really like the defensive buffer corv gives

[dry edge]

Ya I am just unsure about what job are you giving Zone to begin with

[cold osprey]

beats dozo and corv but I can't think of too much else tbh

tera water and scarf also lets it bait and kill treads and tusk

[dry edge]

This gen has this thing where Corvi as only hazard control pretty much requires a lot of boots. Else your team will crumble against Gholdengo Hazard stacks (yours does for example)

[cold osprey]

what would be the best way to circumvent that?

if I have to add tusk it will be begrudgingly lol

[dry edge]

I was thinking of smth like Rotom-W and Great Tusk over Magnezone and Corvi.

Then you can make Garchomp a mixed attacker with Stealth Rock like the one here https://pokepast.es/6c81a7e8cb6fbf66

This way your hazard setter threatens both Tusk and Corvi, while helping against Dondozo. Rotom-W keeps a pivot, a ground immune, and alsp helps vs Dondozo, Great Tusk, and Skeledirge

From there you can play a bit with the teras. Tera Fire BU Great Tusk/Garchomp help against Volcarona a lot, and a bit vs Chien-Pao for example

[cold osprey]

what would be the best sets to run for rotom and tusk?

I know rapid spin on tusk and I'm thinking physdef on rotom but I'm not sure past that

[cold osprey]

nvm I'm just gonna work with some guesses and change as I go

[sly mauve]

Your always on when im not

I made this team off your advice

And I want you to rate it

And I can never catch u online

[low quarry]

https://pokepast.es/d4df068198cc9de0

[sly mauve]

What should i fix here?

[frail ether]

https://pokepast.es/95f759bfad4507e5

idk if im just bad but like I feel like now that I wanna run Banded Chien Pao I feel like I need a better hazard removal than just Glimmora

also yes this is the sample but I wanna spice things up in terms of variety I don't wanna just have it be completely copy paste

I feel like the only pokemon I feel like I can get rid of Glimmora

cuz I feel like since I'm running banded Chien Pao I think I could focus less on stacking hazards

like idk its almost this team is almost too perfect, and idek if I can make a team with Banded Chien thats also bulky offense

[dry edge]

Hey. Sorry I mostly come here and there and miss the tags. It's alr though, you can ask any other raters for their advice, well all have diff perspectives and theirs can help you as well c:

[sly mauve]

Ik but I wanted your opinion because the team was made around your idea

[dry edge]

Oh that's fine, do you have the paste?

[sly mauve]

Ye

[sly mauve]

Mb for going afk had to help my mom with sum

https://pokepast.es/d859ba7ac3c78052

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[agile lava]

biggest threat looks like chien

hmm

physdef dozo is a must but i’m thinking of what we replace corv with

[sly mauve]

Damn

Rip the boi corv

He looked so tuff

[agile lava]

i have got it

we go tusk here

physdef dozo

and spdef corv

[agile lava]

over clod

[sly mauve]

Yuh

Tusk is sexy 2

[agile lava]

exactly

[sly mauve]

Whats the moveset for tusk?

[worn arrow]

Agree w 3D

gotta be SR EQ Knock

[agile lava]

^

i think we go spin

to help keep hazards off for ceruledge

[sly mauve]

Stealth rock on tusk

And spikes on clod

[sly mauve]

Tusk over clod?

[agile lava]

yes

[sly mauve]

Oh

So same moveset on corv

Jus spdef

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/f756721db8cc1ab9

So this?

[naive stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/c8db474be5b571a0

@agile lava is this good?

Wait Chien Pao MU is a bit tough

[naive stirrup]

btw it's HO tho but I lack breakers 🤣

[agile lava]

@naive stirrup

u still there

[naive stirrup]

yes

Sorry for late reply

[agile lava]

tbh

screens + shed + hazards

isnt very smart on HO

the reason u lack breakers is cuz ur tryna fit all of that into one team

typically, i like to use 2 or 1

[naive stirrup]

wut do u suggest?

[agile lava]

i suggest orth and grimm

[naive stirrup]

to stay?

[agile lava]

if u can somehow get a shed tail behind screens into like espathra

itll b very annoying to beat

but even then it doesnt need all that

yes to stay

[naive stirrup]

hmm for breakers?

[agile lava]

im thinkin we go

dd roarin moon over glimm

[naive stirrup]

Is my chien pao MU fine?

[agile lava]

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Jaw Lock
• Tera Blast
• Taunt
• Dragon Dance

[naive stirrup]

Wait

Hmm

Wut jaw lock do?

[agile lava]

traps

shit in

so u can setup on shit

like pex

by taunting it

and DDing up

[naive stirrup]

ohh

[agile lava]

u should be ok vs chien cuz of tera espathra behind screens

but u can always go iron hands

over tusk

as well

to make it really easy to deal w

[naive stirrup]

Pex doesn't run scald nowadays ryt?

[agile lava]

it doesnt learn it no

[naive stirrup]

Ohh ic

That's why

lemme tweak the team a bit

[velvet path]

https://pokepast.es/882f763d4b3eeff4 help pls

[naive stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/4acbd59c1bdfc99f

now @agile lava

btw offensive tusk fits here ryt?

[agile lava]

yea its fine

spin is nice

[velvet path]

i request help once again

[naive stirrup]

aight thanks for the help

[hazy plank]

Seems fine just change garg Tera to fairy

And Scarf on meow

And u rlly struggle against pult

[low quarry]

https://pokepast.es/773836b96ea89bc8 great at battle, bad at team building. tis' the curse of a new showdown player

[viral sable]

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[hazy plank]

Change phantom force with Tera blast

And change ur Tera with ghost

And one most imp change

Change ur cinder name from Ronaldo to messi

Lol jk

[low quarry]

lol

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/83a663afad651a08 how is this i swapped orthorm in over chomp, it helps floatzel and greninja with longevity with shed tail. I know i need to change some tera types around

[steep garden]

https://pokepast.es/267927d78500656c

Volt turn team I've come up with

[flint ferry]

https://pokepast.es/29431650966ee8d7 SV OU team featuring Tera flying roaring moon

[spiral fable]

i would recommend knock over spinner on tusk

[real willow]

I had made this team after the palafin ban, and am planning on using something similar for the suspect test. How should I modify it to improve it for the cindrace/greninja drops and general changes in the metagame?
https://pokepast.es/49872fa01c1f750a

[hazy plank]

Chien banded

[real willow]

is it just better than hdb?

[hazy plank]

U don't have any instant offense pressure except of Valiant

Have u tried it?

[real willow]

not yet

I wanted to just have it be more resilient to hazards bc I have 3 sr weaks and defog corv just wasn't enough to me

[hazy plank]

And I might change corv with Defense tusk

[spiral fable]

I would recommend morning sun over bug buzz on volc, and I can’t really see how dragon claw would help on dragonite so maybe switch that out idk

[hazy plank]

With eq

[subtle rose]

imo

roost>buzz on volc, rh on corv

psyshock>trick on val

[real willow]

I'll try that but idk about 2 grounds into the pao suspect

[subtle rose]

I think eq on dnite over dclaw but roost works too

[real willow]

I put dclaw as pre-tera stab + to win nite mirrors

What does eq hit that fire punch doesnt?

[real willow]

That's how I deal with garganacl and dondozo (and ape before it's ban) unfortunately

[subtle rose]

pex and nacl

[subtle rose]

Both nacl and dozo should be 2hkod by spex moon

U can also aura/focus blast

[real willow]

Also I just realized if I go Tusk I probably don't need Ting lu

What should I replace it with?

[flint ferry]

Need something for dragonite

[subtle rose]

Another rocker. probably

As rox tusk bad

[real willow]

What rocker do you suggest?

Garganacl maybe?

Does kingambit get rocks?

[subtle rose]

Nacl hard to say no to

[real willow]

If kingambit gets Rocks I'll use that

Ideally I'd have something that handles gholdengo

[spiral fable]

dnite mirrors are probably going to tera normal anyways so you're not really gaining much
pre tera stab isn't that useful since you really just need something to hit the main physical walls of the tier(dozo, corv, and toxa), so thunderpunch/eq would be a lot better

[real willow]

ok fair enough

what set does defensive great tusk run?

[steep garden]

Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock
• Knock Off
• Rapid Spin

[real willow]

bet

https://pokepast.es/d9dea63f605258ce
how's this, I changed out rocks for cc so that I can have rocks on a different mon

[steep garden]

Got a rocker try body press, rocky helmets an option as it is with Mons like him but recovery ftw, steel water can also be good terra types

[real willow]

oh I forgor abt tera type

[steep garden]

Use body press over cc, it's not worth cutting your defences when body press is so stronf

[real willow]

fs

what tera is good on kingambit?

[steep garden]

Dark, ghost, flying and fairy

[real willow]

hmm

I guess I'll do ghost then

[steep garden]

A safe bet to be sure

I'm fidling with my volt turn team atm

[real willow]

https://pokepast.es/3f900fbb374a4c11
probably something like this then

[steep garden]

I'd keep dark terra on chein it appreciates the umph

[real willow]

I also don't know about kingambit ev's but that should (hopefully) be fine

oh yeah tera dark works better for cb

[steep garden]

Smogon listed set would be fine

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/ou/

For your convience

[real willow]

I'll probably keep a separate version of the team w/ the sd pao and better coverage on volc

[still citrus]

https://pokepast.es/3c74d779add7a10c

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[still citrus]

W rain team

[agile lava]

prob want some speed

to outspeed chomp at +1

think it’s 224 that u gotta hit

[still citrus]

I need answers for rotom wash should I use meow

[steep garden]

I don't see any point in investing in speed for that , at the cost of his beefy fefence

[supple forge]

Not sure what talon does here, would like amoongus over it to also help with rotom w

[fallow crag]

Not sure why you would have a talonflame on this team. Iron Treads is for sure better there. There’s no reason to have rain dance on pelipper; replace it with hurricane. I personally like Crunch over Liquidation on Floatzel, but both are fine. I don’t know why you have attack investment on hatterene, I’d check the smogon competitive dex for a better EV spread. Tera Ghost seems odd on Greninja; Tera dark is probably best here

[rose hinge]

https://pokepast.es/7c574675e6e58930 preferably want to keep sd quaq rather than bu quaq because i think its funner and i find it easier to use

moth and meowscarada are good against donbozo and moth is also a good sweeper late game

tusk can provide hazard control and threaten gambit

it also hits hard against alot of mons

gambit appreciates the strong attackers that die before it and can swap into dhengo

gholdengo was me trying to slap on a fairy resist

im open to change as long as quaq stays sd and moth remains on the team

[spiral fable]

why specs on talonflame?

also you dont really need 3 water stab on floatzel id switch liquidation for like crunch

[spiral fable]

i wouldnt really recommend covert cloak gholdengo if you're running it as youve already got quite a few garg checks

[still citrus]

Tera ghost for dragonite

[wanton root]

https://pokepast.es/60ccb9589683c706 @fallow crag

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[wanton root]

oh shit

sorry for the double ping lol

[agile lava]

love this team

any reason for tera fighting tusk?

and grund rotom

[wanton root]

nah I just didn't bother to change the sample sets

prolly water tusk

then maybe poison washtom to patch up the val mu

[severe shard]

I’m ngl sometimes I do like to run ghost on my washtom a bit mainly for dnite who rn usually is running dd set with the occasional roost is what I usually worry about when I’m against it. Fairy tera is nice as well as it could also be nice for tusk (cc and knock) or dragons in general

[wanton root]

idt I really struggle that hard vs ddnite tbh

I just wisp and go into tusk or dengo

[severe shard]

I haven’t tried poison but I assume it works unless you’re vs like a cm shock set.

[wanton root]

yea true

that just seems like the standout bad mu here

[severe shard]

ye

[wanton root]

and idk what I could do to fix it without changing the structure

not that im not willing to if it needs to be fixed

but ive just been really enjoying how this plays

[severe shard]

ye, team looks good otherwise tbh

[wanton root]

actually wait

what if garg>clod

wait fuck

no spikes

I always just kinda assumed it had it

that sucks

[severe shard]

You can make a second team with garg just to see which you like more tbh

You could use like ID set or sr set to free up the sr slot on tusk.

[wanton root]

that's an interesting idea

offensive tusk would probably love being here

[severe shard]

The bulk up set right

Or 4 attacks

[wanton root]

I was going to go 4a

haven't tried bu yet

same evs?

wait full physdef

interesting

[severe shard]

I’ve seen max speed but for BU set idk if it’s full phys

Cause I think I’ve seen like 60 speed or smth on it

@agile lava does tusk bu set run some speed rn?

[agile lava]

yes

it hits either 240 or 224

224 is to outspeed chomp at +1

[wanton root]

ight

[agile lava]

240 is to outspeed adamant breloom

[wanton root]

here's the garg version

https://pokepast.es/952a0acfa33a02b3

[agile lava]

thats the stat btw not the EVs

[wanton root]

yea ik lmao

[severe shard]

For the evs? What was it by chance :0

[wanton root]

56

[severe shard]

Oh ok 60 wasn’t too far off then

[wanton root]

yea lol

[severe shard]

Ya that sounds good then

[wanton root]

cool

I think these might be the best teams ive made all gen lmao

[severe shard]

I would need to catch up on building here lowkey

[wanton root]

imma be 100

this tier is terrible to build

too many threats not enough answers

a pretty high number of teams rn are even dropping their steel entirely bc there's literally two options lol

[severe shard]

It’s tuff out here

Can’t wait for home to drop

[wanton root]

same

maybe we finally get the tera ban

🙏

[frozen hinge]

Home would be really nice ye

[wind dew]

Eleki back

[frozen hinge]

It won't last long with access to Tera ice/grass so its fine

[light ice]

Running roaring moon instead of chien cuz its most likely gonna get banned and its nice to get uturns

Surf is a mistake it should have chilling water lol

https://pokepast.es/8cd2c5d4fd82f671 pokepaste format here

[steep garden]

just if anyone could rate if thats okay

[fallen shale]

this team is solid

it just doesnt really like to be in the face of rotom wash

it gets free momentum and you cant really do anything about it spreading burns

other than going into nacl, which they can volt switch out of or do good damage with pump

[whole raft]

https://pokepast.es/655d5b4dd278324a
Honestly I think this is alright but I’m no professional, anything wrong with it?

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[green citrus]

Orthworm is usually a pick on hyper offence / screens, helps it enable setup spam stuff like espathra, dnite, volcarona, and so on

The sets are overall kinda of everywhere; dragapult is usually specs, band, dragon dance, or a wisp utility type of set. Dozo and dirge are moreso used on fat, and iron moth fits strangely here too

Is there a specific mon or idea you have in mind that u want to build? I could help u restart from there

[strange kayak]

https://pokepast.es/a08ae0de4ca446ed

Any big glaring problems that I might want to fix?

[spiral fable]

Run lefties instead of sludge on clod, and brave bird/body press instead of iron head on corv

I would recommend bulk up instead of will o wisp on cereludge

[strange kayak]

Aye, thanks

[wanton root]

@agile lava

[real willow]

Why lefties over black Sludge on defensive poisons?

[spiral fable]

Black sludge either a: gives away your tera poison or b: punishes you for teraing into non poison type

[real willow]

Ah

[spiral fable]

Either way, lefties is simple better

[steep garden]

Which team?

[fallen shale]

was referring to yours

[proven hare]

Black Sludge on Clod has some niche - you punish Trick from Gholdengo, and Trick is best move Gholdengo has vs Clod

Also, you usually don't Tera Clod

Unless your team is really weak to Espathra, then you Tera Dark

[spiral fable]

Eh, I think the sacrifice of the possible Tera on clod isn’t worth the potential punish on ghold

[hazy trench]

hello gangy

https://pokepast.es/00ef969ef20cc6ea

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[agile lava]

this team is nice

Pawmot @ Leppa Berry
Ability: Iron Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Double Shock
• Close Combat
• Mach Punch
• Revival Blessing

id just change pawmot to this

id also consider tera dark on clod

for espathra

[hazy trench]

alr

[hazy trench]

cool but why

like does it deal with anyhting new

[agile lava]

no it just gives u a stronger electric move

and lets u rev twice

[fallow crag]

is this the pawmot set now?

i was running ebelt ice punch

but that was more of a holdover from uu

[agile lava]

well u want leppa berry

and mach punch double shock is a must

so u can either go ice punch tera elec or cc tera fight

though i never really tear it anyway

tera

[fallow crag]

yeh makes sense

i havent used it too much in ou yet

[wanton root]

idt it's really viable regardless tbh

blessing seems like a gimmick in most scenarios

and it doesn't really stand out in any other area

there are just better options for both offensive elecs and fightings

and if you want to pack both stabs hands is still a thing

[agile lava]

it is viable

[supple forge]

https://pokepast.es/74c84711e4a17aff

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[agile lava]

good team, would just go meow > gren

team appreciates knock offs and uturns into stuff like pult

who id also prob change to specs

[supple forge]

Hmm thx

[terse rampart]

First singles team and first time using duck, how do I fill it out https://pokepast.es/26fcb6bfda325f42

[rich acorn]

https://pokepast.es/50c2c928460a3dd9 zard was originally there as a test but I have come to appreciate it.I assume we can offer counter points that are competitive if we want to question a suggested change in this channel?

[terse rampart]

It says page not found dude

[rich acorn]

https://pokepast.es/50c2c928460a3dd9 does this work?

[terse rampart]

Yes

[rich acorn]

sorry for the previous trouble

so any opinions?

[terse rampart]

Sorry I shouldn't give you any opinions since I'm new to singles

And I've never even used a sun team

[rich acorn]

I am not referring to anyone specifically

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/42d399069b4bb6cb heres my first specs sandy shocks team. Tera fairy scarf gren deals with most of the speedier threars while specs shocks deals with most of the walls in ou and helps with pivoting thanks to volt switch. Orthworm is our hazard setter and pivoter but im unsure if i should yse ceruledge for the fire resist + set up opportunity or if i should use something else.

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[sly mauve]

I replaced ceruledge with volcorona but something still feels missing

https://pokepast.es/6004fe8e7d1bab39 changed some tera types and volcorona

[glacial harbor]

https://pokepast.es/4cb9a44d73385388 this a good team? first time playing competitive since gen 7

ive seen a weakness to gholdengo which is a problem cos he's huge in the current meta

despite that its been really successful with a low elo

won 4/4 matches which doesnt mean much down that low but yeah

[rose hinge]

https://pokepast.es/6ccf812b872d472c made a team with sd quaq thats been working ok

im open to change just as long as quaq remains sd

and not bulk up

[rose hinge]

ting lu shoould be fine for dhengo

[spiral fable]

No hazards?

[rose hinge]

didnt really know where to fit one

[spiral fable]

I don’t think you need both king ambit and meowscarsa

[echo zodiac]

https://pokepast.es/999b7c0c7a2198dc
Trying to get reqs with this team but I suck at the game so any help would be appreciated

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[ruby crest]

Well it’s half ho and half bo

You gotta commit to a play style since it’s two different archetypes that contradict with it tho realistically all of this can be batched with fixing tusk and pao set and replacing rotom with something else

[echo zodiac]

Tusk is completely fair, I don’t know what the hell I was thinking when making it defensive Tusk
I think I added Washtom because I needed a Water resist that beat Dondozo
And I believe when I made this I loved the idea of Banded Pao behind a Sub

That being said, thanks very much for the advice man!
You mentioned replacing Washtom with something else, so what do you suppose I replace it with?

[sly mauve]

@ruby crest trying out sandy shocks

[ruby crest]

Bulky water resist that beats donzo is hard to come by tbh

However if you want a fun cool idea you can try veluza > espathra

[sly mauve]

Nuke

[cursive tiger]

https://pokepast.es/a77c768ff2f226fb

[sly mauve]

Anyone have any advice for my team?

[terse rampart]

?

[rich acorn]

https://pokepast.es/50c2c928460a3dd9 zard was originally there as a test but I have come to appreciate it.I assume we can offer counter points that are competitive if we want to question a suggested change in this channel?I know tusk is scary for me but water T doesn't synergise enough and another tusk out loses to pao(I rely on tera fighting Tauros to fight Toosk)

[dry edge]

Hey, this is just a bit weird to rate cause a lot of sun teams follow the same structure of torkoal+tusk+moon and zard is your Special Attacker of choice which is fine.

Not sure what Gholdengo offers for the team and Tauros can be a big momentum sink, though it helps you check Dnite.

[rich acorn]

fair.I have gho to threaten garg and because I want to be able to switch into breloom spore better

[dry edge]

Well you are using a sun team with Fast Tusk, not very sure why Breloom should be an issue

[rich acorn]

fair

[dry edge]

And you can jist overwhelm Garg with everything else, you don't need a particular mon for it

[rich acorn]

Tho scarf gho being good at revenge killing is another reason

[dry edge]

Yeah but that's just scarf not scarf dengo

You also have Proto Speed Roaring Moon right? So the Speed thing is covered

[rich acorn]

Oh right I added it to revenge kill pult and as. dragon resist (I keep on forgetting this reason).Tho I would like to know if there is something better for that as a revenge killer?

[dry edge]

Well you have Moon

Tbh none of the reasons listed above seem too strong and are all covered by your team already. I would prolly just stick to the conventional Eject Button Hatt > Dengo to give as much support as possible to Charizard

[rich acorn]

ok thx

[rich acorn]

can I get a build if possible cuz I ain't too sure about my eject hat

[dry edge]

I feel like Eject Button Hatt is rather customizable. Some run more Def, others more SpAtk, some run 0 Speed and others run a lot of Speed. For example here's a set in an old sample

Hatterene @ Eject Button
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 120 SpA / 136 Spe
Modest Nature

• Psychic
• Dazzling Gleam
• Nuzzle
• Healing Wish

Here is the set in the analysis

Hatterene @ Eject Button
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 116 Def / 144 Spe
Bold Nature

• Nuzzle
• Healing Wish
• Psychic
• Dazzling Gleam

I don't feel either is better. Most of it is just denying hazards, providing momentum for your team, getting a hwish or an attack off if possible. Everything else you may be able to do with it is just extra credit

[terse rampart]

Help

[sonic birch]

https://pokepast.es/57b5721abe615502 this is mainly meant to bait people into thinking it's stall but how could I make it even sillier

[supple forge]

When I look at that stall is the last thing I think of

[sonic birch]

Not stall but like

A defensiv team

[spiral fable]

you're running full offense

a: no defensive team would ever run glimmora

b: if you're going for showing a stall team, at most you're running one offensive mon, and its usually a scarfer to clean up
futhermore, the only mon you would fit on stall would be dengo, and maybe pao if its your clean up uig

if you just want a defensive team i dont think they usually run dengo? but i could be wrong someone double chekc me on that

a bit iffy on rotom wash

hatterene's aight ig

[rich acorn]

thanks

[hoary raven]

https://pokepast.es/e24225d5ee3b694a

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[agile lava]

why scarf sandy

[hoary raven]

basically my only reason was fast vswitch

[agile lava]

its already decently fast and imo sandy shocks best trait is being able to blow up those

[hoary raven]

not sure how good it is as a cleanup mon

[agile lava]

garga pex tusk corv teams

as opposed to having to predict

[hoary raven]

ah yeah

[agile lava]

w volt and epower

i do like the direction of this team tho

volt turn chien

always good

[hoary raven]

predicting washtom 💀

[agile lava]

i was just abot to say

rotom is actually relaly annoying

to deal w

nothing really beats it and chien doesnt like getting burned

[hoary raven]

yeah it seems so

[agile lava]

i think w gren + shocks

u have enough voltturn offence

and u can afford to drop rotom

for a bulky pivot

im thikning amoonguss

[hoary raven]

ooo

[agile lava]

i also think physdef tusk would work a lot better here

since we're dropping the ground resist

[hoary raven]

mhmmhm

[agile lava]

also, not sure if this is the best set but, tera flying has been pretty fun on shocks for me

since it lets me resist flower trick

[hoary raven]

oh oops

[agile lava]

and jsut blow meows up

[hoary raven]

i meant flying instead of fairy

[agile lava]

ah

[hoary raven]

yeah

fairy still kinda works cuz it whoops tusk + chomp

but yeah, as you said, meow.

also whats a good amoon set

idrk how to run it

[agile lava]

the Ps recommended set is solid

thats what i use anyway

[hoary raven]

noted

[sly mauve]

@dry edge can I get some help with a team?

[proven hare]

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[proven hare]

https://pokepast.es/5524947856e2066e

[spiral fable]

why hex and shadow ball on pult?

also slightly iffy on covert cloak hatterene since you've already got 4 mons that can hit garg super effectively but idk might just be me

[proven hare]

To take advantage of TWave and Nuzzle from Hattrene

It's a paraspam team in a way

[proven hare]

Garg alone is not an issue. It's the Garg cores (with Pex, Volc and all) that can be obnoxious to handle)

CM Hattrene can break Garg-Volc-Pex core with Covert Cloak

[sly mauve]

FayaWizard

Agslash

[proven hare]

https://pokepast.es/b29ad2640f282b8e

Another one

Idk why I'm building so much today

And I have an exam tomorrow

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/4da668c35e49bd1e how is this?

[spiral fable]

why shocks? or hurricane on volc? you've got no hazards and corv is pretty unreliable hazard removal

[sly mauve]

Hurricane seemed like good coverage for fighting types, shocks is surprisingly decent as it is a good volt switch user that can deal a tone of damage. Tera fairy ohkoes great tusk and garchomp which are the ground type that threatens it most. I used to use orthworm to help pivot into a set up mon and help set hazards but it didnt really do much for the team. Corviknight gives me a ground immunity + defensive pivot with u turn + hazard removal.

[spiral fable]

wash can do the same thing shocks can but also be a lot better in general, without having to burn a tera
the fighting types of the tier are either a: ones you dont want to stay in on(tusk), or ones you can hit hard enough as is(quaval, loom), and then valiant's there ig

[sly mauve]

It even does over half to mons like washing mashine so the most relivant levitater cant swap into it.

[spiral fable]

swap hurricane for morning sun on volc, it'll give you longevity and also prevent you frmo relying on a measly 70% accuracy

[sly mauve]

Wash has weaker damage by a large margine unless its specs while also being slower, also shocks can use spikes or stealth rock if needed where rotom cannot. I mostly made this team for sandyshocks because i think while niche it could still work in ou.

Also rotom wash isnt taking 2 close combats and it isnt out speeding great tusk

[spiral fable]

if you're really insistent on shocks you can keep it ig, but you're already strapped for moveslots as is so i don't think theres a chance you're slotting spikes or rocks on

[proven hare]

Shocks is definitely useable

But you have to build a whole team around it

Also

Tera Ice is better than Fairy on Shocks

But Earth Power pressures grounds except Ting-Lu anyway

[spiral fable]

nvm its not that common anyways

[sly mauve]

Also there is a point in running hazards, you invite grounds and kill them with tera ice. Not saying in going to but i am saying there is a point.

And on mons like ting lu or great tusk i think thats worth

Also ice + electric/ground doesnt get resisted at least i dont think it does so its not even a bad offensive tera.

[spiral fable]

if you're running hazards you're sacing specs and either tera blast, tbolt, power, or volt switch, all of which you need

also this

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Ice Sandy Shocks Tera Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 234-276 (45.5 - 53.6%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

so evevn if you tera ice and try to kill ting lu it's not going to work

and that's assuming you somehow bait it in while running specs

[sly mauve]

Does ting lu ko you back after tera though?

[spiral fable]

they're just going to switch out and now you've revealed your tera and possibly your item all for a failed ko

[sly mauve]

Im thinking on running phys def amoong, rotom, and sandy shocks

[spiral fable]

swapping out?

[sly mauve]

Yeah you arent wrong hmmm

[spiral fable]

and this is assuming you can even bait in a ting lu with achoice specs set

[sly mauve]

Hmm rotom and shocks work well together and amoongus works well with rotom

[spiral fable]

ping me when you have an updated team

[strange kayak]

May I ask why you chose +atk rather than +spd on Chien-Pao?

[proven hare]

I preferred more power

Coz I need it to beat stall

Or Dondozo balance

I have Valiant for Speed as well

So +atk seemed better

[strange kayak]

I C
Thanks for the insight

[proven hare]

@ruby crest
How is it? I want to use this for my suspect

@daring violet in case Tyson isn't free

[subtle rose]

make the chomp salac........ (Real)

[proven hare]

Could do that

LMAO

[subtle rose]

or just

make chomp sd rocks

and give hydra a real fourth

[proven hare]

Hydra sets Rocks

Sub is to beat Volc-Garg cores

[subtle rose]

I mean

I guess

[proven hare]

Hydra is a better setter

IMO

[subtle rose]

ehh

[proven hare]

It pressures Corv and Tusk more

Chomp can use Special Attack Set for that

[subtle rose]

thats fair

[proven hare]

But Hydra is a better special attacker

[subtle rose]

do u even need hydra here really

[proven hare]

What else could set rocks better?

[sly mauve]

https://pokepast.es/0755df5c12268361 my attempt at a volt turn tram

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[sly mauve]

Team*

[agile lava]

why scarf rotom

and ducky

honestly u could prob keep rotom

but id prob go physdef

and tusk > treads

and corv > duck

actually

nah u dont need corv

u could go chien over duck and run some disgusting shit like

DD roaring moon

w jaw lock taunt

[sly mauve]

Then the team loses to banded chien if we go defensive rotom

[agile lava]

well its not like scarf rotom beats it

anyway

[sly mauve]

Wisp

[agile lava]

they wouldnt stay in

[sly mauve]

Into quaval

[agile lava]

if ur at full

and if u take a hit and lose hp

theyll scout for scarf

[sly mauve]

Also wisp criples it anyway and scarf gets rid of band

[agile lava]

i understand

but what im saying is

u will rarely get to do that

defensive rotom + chien + tusk is what i use a lot and im well off vs it

cuz u get hazards and pressure it

then it has to get the play right

when most of the time they just wanna crunch

u could really go

tera fairy shocks too

[sly mauve]

Would bulk up tusk help this team or just reg defensive tusk is enough

[proven hare]

@agile lava if you are free

[agile lava]

just reg tusk imo

its good @proven hare

just corv > treads

and chain chomp

here

then go np 3 atks hydra

[proven hare]

I wanted to use Sub SD Chomp\

Coz it screws Garg cores

Like those Garg-Volc-Pex cores

[agile lava]

so dos chain chomp

does

but it can actually hit corv

[proven hare]

Chain Chomp can lose to Volc

Esp if it has Wisp

Well,

I beat a Corv