Question about angles concerning prayer times

[quartz ginkgo]

Assalamu alaykum, i hope that you are fine
I wanted to know which angle to choose for prayer times in France ? (how to know which angle is correct if we can't observe the sky due to fog or clouds ?)

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[azure umbra]

use an app for it

[quartz ginkgo]

But in apps there are different angles
My question is which one to choose

[proud fox]

Ask a local Muslim scholar you trust about the leeway given in Qibla direction so you can learn the fiqh of Salah for this matter

The sky being dark is not a major concern if you have a compass. You just pray in the direction of Makkah. At most, the apps may differ by a few degrees. We are not expected to be fully precise, just as long as we are in the general direction of Makkah.

If you truly are struggling with this, go to your local masjid, pop open the compass app, note the bearing and just use that.

[quartz ginkgo]

No im not talking about qibla
Im talking about angles (12 ° ,15° and 18°) that are used to know the time for prayer
In apps you can choose between those angles and the prayer times differ from each other
@proud fox

[proud fox]

Bro, just match your local Masjid's prayer times in regards to this.

Unless you have delved into the fiqh in a deep way with an actual teacher, you're not likely going to make the best choice in regards to this.

There's a reason why we defer these matters to the scholars.

More practically speaking, I don't tweak the angles manually but I did change the calculation method (which takes into account angles) in my prayer apps to follow the Fiqh Council of North America since I live in the US.

I would suggest you follow whatever fiqh council your country has. If that's not available, just tweak the apps until the prayer times match whatever your local masjid goes by.

[quartz ginkgo]

Jazaka allahu khairan brother

[deft storm]

Simple answer: find the shortest path from your hometown to the Kabah on a globe. You can figure out the angle by looking at this path.

I can provide a more rigorous mathematical answer if need be. Note that in the hanafi madhab, if you were able to determine some estimated range, you're fine as long as you''re within 90 degrees of the actual direction. If your calculation is entirely wrong and you pray in some direction that's possibly a complete 180, you're still okay because an attempt was made.

[proud fox]

Keep scrolling bro, he's not asking about qiblah, he's asking about prayer time calculations