Carnivores (Series)

[viral loom]

It should show like the year of post which would be funny

Like 2131 or whenever the fuck Carnivores takes place

[versed stirrup]

-# 2020

[viral loom]

Is it?

[versed stirrup]

Nah

It's around 2190s-2200s

[karmic ferry]

Dinohunt padding out that runtime for max revenue

[viral loom]

Timmy wtf did you do

[versed stirrup]

The

What?

[viral loom]

[versed stirrup]

The heck was that?

[viral loom]

Now it's fixed

[viral loom]

Rat

[worthy star]

Doesn’t know exactly what year carnivores franchise took place

Fake fan

[viral loom]

[worthy star]

Night dive Ban

[viral loom]

Tbh I'd only listen to the Carnivores mobile menu theme if I was that horse

[worthy star]

Mobile menu theme is just goated

Simply put

I hope c2 and cia get new remix’s for the remaster

And c1 gets a new theme entirely maybe inspired by carnivores hd menu theme

https://youtu.be/3KJFF0X9hxg?si=hWyVbLMAqWhqR9J3

Tho tbh I do expect the original music/chirps to remain the same

[viral loom]

It hurts do bad seeing sauropods drawn in the background knowing they never appear in the game

[worthy star]

Brachiosaurus was also pretty dam close to making it too 😭

[versed stirrup]

If your favorite piece of music in Carnivores was MENUAMB.wav

Then you are a true Carnivores fans

I can listen to MENUAMB.wav all day

[desert nova]

I love this theme so much

[versed stirrup]

Espacially MENUAMB.wav from the first two game

And it gets even better when you hit alt-tab

[desert nova]

Torture

[versed stirrup]

-# ah

FEELS GOOD

[prisma oyster]

year 5163 BC

[viral loom]

Lol

[sage oracle]

Yo guys

Sup

Any news?

About the remaster

[viral loom]

That's if there will be

Plus NightDive is in a kinda cool down period atm

[sage oracle]

Oh

Why

[viral loom]

Plus currently a member's home is being repaired and another is sick

[sage oracle]

Ohh thats why

[viral loom]

Mhms

[sage oracle]

I wonder what is happening with dde

[viral loom]

But I do think ND can see our huge interest in this classic trilogy being remastered

[sage oracle]

Are they ever going to update there damn game

[viral loom]

Dde?

[sage oracle]

Digital dreams entertainment

[viral loom]

That kinda depends

But I still think a remaster of the classic trilogy would be better than hunt

[sage oracle]

I would like the hunt

[viral loom]

Hunt is just a basic hunting game with dinosaurs imo

[sage oracle]

Cuz of the modern graphics

[viral loom]

Modern graphics doesn't always make a game good

[sage oracle]

I like the graphics tbh

[sage oracle]

Ik

[viral loom]

cough cough concord cough cough

[sage oracle]

But u can’t find a dino hunt game

With the same graphics

That cdh have

[viral loom]

Cdh hd and reborn

[sage oracle]

They are the same acutely

[viral loom]

Hunt is just a port of those

[sage oracle]

Yp

Well atleast i wish that they make it modbly

This is kinda sad tbh

Guys i have a question

What make the mods for dinosaur hunt is to slow?

I mean why aren’t we see mods for it

[viral loom]

I'm just curious to see what Bundle is typing

[sage oracle]

Same xd

[thorny reef]

Just as a heads up, the process for starting from scratch to announcement of a game will take years unless it was already in the works. Gotta set meetings, work out terms, gather old code, reach out to old devs, establish a budget, assign staff, figure out what to do with old code, and after all that is done (probably more that I'm not thinking of) can an announcement be made

[viral loom]

Because they give alot of useful info considering they're a server mod

[sage oracle]

So we might wait for years

“Sad”

[viral loom]

Well hey atleast we might get a remaster

[sage oracle]

Yeah

[viral loom]

We just have to be patient 🙏

[sage oracle]

I gusse thats fair

[viral loom]

I had to wait months for the release of the thing remaster when I heard of it

And the only time I heard about the game was my dad telling stories about the ps2 one he played

[sage oracle]

At this point i wish that dde update the game

[sage oracle]

OH THATS SO SOO LONG AGO

[viral loom]

Hm?

[sage oracle]

i mean that was years ago

I didn’t find the exact word

Btw do u think that the remaster will have any cool features?

Or its gonna be the same game but on modern engine

[frigid skiff]

Same game polished up

[graceful ermine]

that is what game development is

[hollow nexus]

Will this win the vote?

[thorny reef]

Sorry if my description of a vote have the wrong impression, there's no end date. The value of these numbers is in showing that there's a passionate fan base with a strong desire.

[hollow nexus]

I see

[thorny reef]

From my reading of the thousands of messages, most of the desire centers around the Action Forms trilogy with an emphasis on supporting the existing mod scene

[hollow nexus]

And not a steam release?

[craggy dawn]

There’s a small chance they’re working on a remaster as we speak

Source: It was revealed to me in a dream

[thorny reef]

That's worded a bit confusingly. Are you requesting for more than just steam (as in gog and consoles?) or are you expecting ND to skip steam?

[hollow nexus]

Oh I thought you meant JUST more mod support.
ND wouldn't skip a steam release.

[hollow nexus]

Could mods be ported to steam? Like to the workshop?

[thorny reef]

I dunno, I'm not a tech savvy person, just a moderator. I don't see why it couldn't be, but Nightdive would want GoG players to have access to mods as well, so I don't know how anything would look in terms of implementation. I'm just noting that not supporting the mod scene at all would likely result in revolt

[hollow nexus]

Yeah

I wonder if the release will be free?
Probably not

[thorny reef]

The labor has gotta be compensated, especially with Atari being a publicly traded company.

Since we're talking about a commercial product instead of a fan effort

[hollow nexus]

Right

I wonder when it will come out
I think it will soon at this point

[thorny reef]

#1149864293379088446 message logistically, unless such a project was already in the works, it'll be years IF it is taken by Nightdive

[craggy dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-insane-cat-deranged-cat-gif-2528630332348525147

[hollow nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-disappointed-out-of-pocket-angry-wtf-gif-18848024

[indigo geyser]

If this shit is taking years to be out it better give us a much better vision of the OG designs

Tbh i don't care too much about staying like the originals as long as it resembles them enough

[hollow nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-side-eye-gorilla-side-eye-bell-pepper-gorilla-eating-side-eye-gif-9785946903997916886

[indigo geyser]

Yeah ya heard me lol

If it's better than before than it's great

I'm not trying to complain or been an ass either

Come on, imagine if we get smth like this

[granite edge]

Would be cool

[unborn dagger]

thats pretty much

what i suggested at first

redesign the roster, give new designs

if so much time and effort will be spent into improving the whole base game and keep it viable for modern versions of windows + much better mod support and expanded mechanics

[upbeat hearth]

Like that one cancelled project by pivot naza?

[unborn dagger]

i feel like some of this yearly time can be spent for creature redesigns

tho idk

best to just edit some stuff off the originals, not entirely redesign them

Ambients could probably be left alone, js give them some enhanced textures

Allosaurus and Velociraptor could have a few modifications, maybe diff headshapes and proportion edit

and etc

[indigo geyser]

The rex having the box art design is def a must

[unborn dagger]

yeah

not to mention we already got a model of it

[upbeat hearth]

I personally think they should keep the original designs independent from the the time It takes to developt the remaster

[unborn dagger]

we are not saying they should be the main focus

[upbeat hearth]

I know

[indigo geyser]

Yes but that doesn't resemble the og style

[unborn dagger]

ofc improving the basegame itself is the main thing to do at first

[unborn dagger]

which is where the retexturing ofc comes in clutch

[indigo geyser]

Let them cook

[unborn dagger]

but honestly i feel like they can do a more accurate resemblance to the poster art

because idk, as much as GFS brought in the only mod for the poster rex

it’s not that accurate

[graceful ermine]

see this statement here is why i can't really agree with completely redesigning away from their original designs (instead of doing the faithful refurbishing) for the route for this remaster because there is a clear bias.
you cannot say you want stuff to be completely changed and then say leave the rest to not change because then you have a situation of inconsistency. either all get the redesign or none do and refer to just being touched up for the sake of the remaster.

[indigo geyser]

I'd rather have new stuff than modded stuff we can get for free but tweaked

[unborn dagger]

retexturing can just change that issue

[graceful ermine]

then that's up to the modders

[unborn dagger]

.

aren’t all the animals being retextured

for the basegame

and not

modders

i’m pretty sure that’s one of the plans for the revamp

[upbeat hearth]

But doesnt the posters have a interely different Idea than the carnivores itself? The posters is more 90s, and dont depicts the original designs of the game

[unborn dagger]

to retexture and edit models

[unborn dagger]

the poster was done before the game

afaik

[graceful ermine]

refer to the thing remaster
noticed in the comparisons that despite their model upgrade and texture upgrades they still conform to their original depictions

what is being suggested from you and onze (especially in regards to duane's cover rex) is for the design to stray from the in-game depiction

[upbeat hearth]

Perhaps, Just improved textures for the Animals would be more apropriate

[unborn dagger]

i mean the poster rex could always just be more represented as the base game rex with a little more bulk added into it with some more prominent details like a little pattern change

[upbeat hearth]

Without heavily modifying the models

[indigo geyser]

What is wrong with wanting a better design

Also

[unborn dagger]

nonetheless it would still be alien

you don’t see a carcharodontosaurid tyrannosaurus that much

[indigo geyser]

I'm not against redesigning other critters

[unborn dagger]

i mean sure, the ambients can be redesigned too ig

[graceful ermine]

nothing wrong with it but considering what route all of nd remasters have done it's clear that complete redesigns are not a goal

[indigo geyser]

Fair

Would be cool tho

[unborn dagger]

they could always go for something new with these games atleast

we are talking about a hunting game with alien fauna

[graceful ermine]

if we go the complete redesign route. we mind as well just have a full on remake which at that point won't even be the original games

[upbeat hearth]

Indeed

[graceful ermine]

i'll keep hammering this in. just refer to the thing remaster as the expectation of what we can expect the presenting idea of a carnivores remaster would be

no extreme redesigns, just faithful but clearly refined updating

[unborn dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/bumblebee-oh-no-transformers-autobots-camaro-gif-9037206

[indigo geyser]

Tbh that's good enough as is

[unborn dagger]

i guess at this point only modders can do god’s work

[indigo geyser]

Let them cook

[graceful ermine]

if we want redesigns, then pray everything goes so well between tatem and nd that a remake can fulfill that need for redesigns

[unborn dagger]

it’d be atleast cool if the devs on their own decided to tweak around the designs but whatever

if they have their usual ways of remastering things

let them flow as they always did

[graceful ermine]

but for now, the expectation is remastering. look at the rest of their latest remasters and that will and should be the bar of expectation for the theorized carnivores remaster

[indigo geyser]

Btw, if the remaster allows for bigger terrain textures, and high poly map objects this will already be ahead MEE itself on this aspect

I'll mod the shit out of it when possible

[unborn dagger]

i want the remaster to actually let us make more detailed models

[indigo geyser]

MEE already allows it

Mostly anyway

[unborn dagger]

as much as the flat details has always been unique

should be more 3d

rigged eyes, 3d teeth

tongues maybe idrk, would make roars and whatnot more lively

just expand the model quality capabilies

[craggy dawn]

As long as carnivores legacy is ported to the remaster, I can rest

[upbeat hearth]

MEE doesnt allow for more high Poly models?

[unborn dagger]

i mean like

not entirely subdivided stuff

allow for much more polys

let the models look even smoother with more freedom in modelling like fully defined heads and limbs

i mean definitely not 10k tris or some shit

afaik MEE only allows for 1080 tris models

or smt

[upbeat hearth]

We Will see How It Goes

[unborn dagger]

would be nice if the remaster would atleast expand to like, 4 or 5k tris for a model

[graceful ermine]

mee allows infinite but our tools only allow up to 2048 for animals and still 1024 for map objects

[unborn dagger]

that’s exactly why i hope the remasters expand the tools capabilities

so there’s more freedom with the modelling without minding a specific limit, although still make sure it doesn’t make the game lag horribly or crash

but as of now

i reaaally hope that lighting is completely overworked

maybe mobile port level of shaders?

with water reflections, better atmosphere and all that

[frigid skiff]

Is the fungus a cannom thing?

[indigo geyser]

It's not

A good chunck of the info there isn't

[empty sparrow]

id said maps would need a higher topology count aswell

[viral loom]

Even if a carnivores remaster by ND will possibly take a few years I'm still happy about one possibly being made 😊

[ember granite]

this is super neat

kind of an ark-style dossier for the creatures

[frigid skiff]

What about the mobile port grass?

[viral loom]

Mobile port grass is just a spam

I'd rather not have the grass if there'll be a graphics setting in the remaster that removes it

[indigo geyser]

Wdym

[orchid night]

Won't take more than a year for sure

[indigo geyser]

You never know what they may try to cook

[frigid skiff]

Are they working on anyhing else atm?

[unborn dagger]

they’re on a hiatus atm

[orchid night]

Likely turok evolution

Not confirmed tho

[viral loom]

Mostly because 2 staff members are having problems rn

1 is sick and the other is getting their home repaired after a tornado

[empty sparrow]

The maps have a pretty low topology/resolution

the terrain is a model like everything else

[upbeat hearth]

O damn

[indigo geyser]

Oohhhh i think i know what ya mean

Yeah it kinda sucks

Not sure how this could be worked around thought

If we get high res textures i'll already be extra happy

[wild wolf]

Metal Arms and Carnivore fans in this server (I used a Jurassic Park model I'm sorry)

[viral loom]

Good enough

[wild wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gif-502627409480164820

[upbeat hearth]

Nightdive, when you hear carnivores theme song It means the community its nearby.

[versed stirrup]

When you hear MENUAMB.wav

That mean the Carnivores Saga is nearby

[broken sinew]

PEAK

[wild wolf]

Thanks lol

[versed stirrup]

Me when GameSpy is no longer active

We'll get Primal Prey Remastered after Cityscape

[viral loom]

Lil bby cow

[upbeat hearth]

Perhaps BOTH should come together as a BUNDLE or somethin

Cant WAIT to ESCAPE from the CITY in CITYSCAPE

[polar birch]

If they come in a collection of carni 1 + 2, ice age, and city scapes, then I'll shit myself (with glee)

[wild wolf]

I shit myself unprovoked

[viral loom]

I shit myself when I hear the rex

Or the stomps

[vague jackal]

The Carnivores franchise happens after 2190, which is the year FMM UV-32 was discovered. It's important to note that this doesn't mean the franchise takes place in that year specifically, that's just the date the planet was discovered. The original games don't specify which year they take place on or how many years have passed after FMM UV-32's discovery. The mobile ports state that DinoHunt Corp. bought the planet 60 years after its discovery, which would mean that it takes place somewhere after 2250, though not necessarily in that year specifically. However, I don't know if the mobile ports can be considered canon to the Carnivores lore and universe.

[versed stirrup]

pov: debug mode

[viral loom]

Is there sexual dimorphism in Triassic now?

[versed stirrup]

nah

never

[viral loom]

Then why're they 2 different colours

[versed stirrup]

I made that specifically for that meme

[viral loom]

Oh oks

[versed stirrup]

||or please killall if you are an agent||

[viral loom]

Ummm that's a poacher :3

Silli

He's thicc

[versed stirrup]

who care

they can debugup

[viral loom]

:3

[versed stirrup]

that's why they were cut

[versed stirrup]

it's too unbalance

i am a psychopath

[viral loom]

Why

[frigid skiff]

Me playing the mobile demo back in the day where Allo, Velo, Chasmo and Spino could randomly spawn without displaying on the map

Relocsting onto mountains sitting there for 20 min waiting if one will walk into render distance

[viral loom]

I find it funny how I designed my character's armour similar to the DHC agent armour before I knew what they looked like

[ember granite]

please please please please

[ember granite]

i mean with Tatem as the new official owners of the Carnivores IP it may as well be

considering there’s a lot of missing gaps in the carnivores lore as is

[viral loom]

Did he ever play fnaf?

Idr

[indigo geyser]

That's a meme lol

[prisma oyster]

i need that model

[viral loom]

What model

[plush pewter]

the gun or the lobster

[viral loom]

The lobster is just a jpeg

A simple plane

[worthy star]

It’s is a real huntable car file

[upbeat hearth]

One more for Primal prey fellas cmon

[prisma oyster]

lobster

Who needs that gun?

[vague jackal]

Wait, does Tatem actually own the Carnivores IP? I thought they only got the permission to make the mobile ports

[mellow wharf]

Helllooo everybody my name is Saurian Target and welcome to Five Nights at Freddy's

[ember granite]

im pretty sure they do considering they (and digital dreams) made HD/reborn/dinosaur hunt

[vague jackal]

Oh, makes sense

[ember granite]

though they abandoned that game 3 times

[vague jackal]

Then shouldn't the job of remastering the original trilogy be on their hands?

[ember granite]

should be, but they’ve neglected carnivores for years

I’d trust Nightdive more tbh

[vague jackal]

Yeah, I noticed it

So in this case, will Nightdive need to buy the rights of the Carnivores IP or something?

[ember granite]

I don’t think so

since it’d be a remaster of the old games rather than brand new games

if they were to make new games under the carnivores IP they would probably need tatem’s permission or buy the rights

if anything they might need contact with the original action forms carnivores devs

[vague jackal]

So for remasters, they only need permission?

[ember granite]

maybe

I’m not entirely sure how the system works

bundle explained it before

[vague jackal]

Is Primal Prey an actual spinoff of Carnivores? Because I've seen some people saying so

[graceful ermine]

the only connective tissue is todd marshall because he also did the designs for cityscape

[vague jackal]

To be more accurate, the company that made Carnivores Cityscape is the same that made Primal Prey

That's the only thing connecting them, but it doesn't mean Primal Prey has any relation to Carnivores

[graceful ermine]

basically

[vague jackal]

So I don't know why some people claim/consider Primal Prey as a spinoff of the Carnivores series

Like, even the fandom wiki claims this

But yeah, fandom wikis are not a trustable source because anyone can edit them

[ember granite]

I don’t even think Primal Prey is a spinoff. They’re both dinosaur hunting games but they got nothing in common besides, well, being dinosaur hunting games.

As it was mentioned, Todd Marshall’s dinosaur designs are the only thing that link Primal Prey and Carnivores.

Spinoffs usually take place in the same continuity

[vague jackal]

I guess both games have the same music composer too

[ember granite]

and the composer yes

[vague jackal]

But I might be wrong

[ember granite]

and the company

Sunstorm Interactive made Cityscape a year after Primal Prey

[versed stirrup]

2001

[ember granite]

i was born the same year cityscape came out

[versed stirrup]

One year before Cityscape

[ember granite]

ye

[versed stirrup]

I never got to finish primal prey

It's just that broken

[ember granite]

crashes a lot

Multispecies Multikill is the most annoying mission to get all three stars on

because of the RNG

[versed stirrup]

Game crash for no reason
Underpaid mission
Dinosaur rarely spawn
And the weapon is stupid

[ember granite]

they spawn but there’s usually only one group of the species on the map

which sometimes they can be difficult to find

[versed stirrup]

I feel like cityscape pistol is more useful than any weapon in primal prey

-# even though it's not

[ember granite]

sniper rifle and railgun tho

[ember granite]

the cityscape pistol uses marshmallows for ammunition i swear

you would be better off using your fists if that was an option in the game

[versed stirrup]

I want to see Cityscape remake in a Republic Commando style

It'll be cool

[graceful ermine]

me looking at vivisector

[prisma oyster]

don't mention that game

I almost lost my computer because of that game

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-gif-19106839

[graceful ermine]

famous last words "oh god i hate instructions"

[worthy star]

I’m gonna make a video for ND to be able to see what the community wants out of the remaster so just wanna ask what you guys would want to see out of it besides new content or dramatically changed content

[versed stirrup]

Need a hand?

[graceful ermine]

i could certainly help with the more realistic expectations/beneficial/unbiased takes

[worthy star]

say it if you got some ideas

[worthy star]

Sure thing why not

Maybe make it a collab video

[graceful ermine]

i'll cobble up the ideas and post them some time later

[worthy star]

Sounds good

[upbeat hearth]

Cityscape remake in a republic commando style? Like the squad based gameplay?

Btw How a cityscape remaster would Work out? Like, the game is not good by itself, and Just improving the graphics seems quite lame, would nightdive add more stuff like levels, redoing some missions?

[worthy star]

First off cityscape would probably not be part of this collection

Its too different from this trilogy to be considered

A remaster would mostly just fix technical issues ai and the textures of the map so it could visually look gorgeous

New levels to make this game longer isn't out of the question

As doom 1+2 has new levels created for it

Because I can imagine new levels being mainly for the online mode

Also a thing I'd like to see for cityscape is a new map where it emulates the original games hunting

One large map that takes place on FMM UV32 never before seen

Just for fun you can't collect trophys or anything all you can do is survive on it until you run out of ammo

Or play online mode with friends

Maybe some more new dinosaurs based off Todd marshalls art mainly more herbivores

I'm just spit balling here but Cityscape is such a shallow entry that altering or adding anything to it specifically won't take away the original feel of it all that much

[graceful ermine]

hence why i push more for vivisector because unlike cityscape there's more modding potential to be had there (considering it was made by the same carnivores devs) and is far more functional to be worth remastering

[worthy star]

In a perfect world, we would have both

But I'm pushing for cityscape more because if the trilogy does happen

Logically speaking the saga will more likely go and vote for cityscape and push that to be the next

After the major carnivores titles are done

I'm sure the saga will have contributed enough to give a shit about vivisector

Cryostasis I have no hope for that's even more obscure than vivisector

[graceful ermine]

alrighty well i got a doc rolling. tried to remember the general gist of what most folks would want while also putting in my own wishes that are hopefully within moderate expectations. probably haven't jot down everything but from a lot of conversations and (again) moderate expectations this is what i got
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-1u-FtU9VL5i3Q8GMAWRzKmGvOFqBbhQ28w7NKpVVUM/edit?usp=sharing

btw i know nd won't read it because of docs but this it for generally the peeps here

[thorny reef]

Probably a good plan. My notes were Action Forms trilogy of games and supporting the existing mod scene, but I'm an outsider

[thorny reef]

I can pin it if you want

[worthy star]

I'd say that's a good idea

[graceful ermine]

give it a pin sir bundle

[worthy star]

I'd also will make a comprehensive video on this

And some other stuff I wanna add

Onto

[graceful ermine]

if you got ideas send them my way and see if that'll fit well with the expectations

[worthy star]

Will do just gotta make sure it isn't already on the list

[worthy star]

Reason why it would be better as just one application is simply because the trilogy of games are all so similar to one another that they are basically interchangeable, especially in modding you could drop a carnivores ice age creature in carnivores 1 by just changing the name of the file the significant difference between the games is what is available in each one

Carnivores 1 is incredibly limited cause it doesn't have the res file while Ice age and c2 do

[graceful ermine]

ye i also made a note about how very little differences there are between engines so being able to mimic them by using ice age as a starting point and getting the rest of the mechanics from prior entries in would make it less messy

i hadn't gone too verbose on it but the general ideas are there, especially since modders edition also makes the uniformity between games more easily mimicked

[thorny reef]

I'd color code to indicate how strongly the community feels about which ideas. Which ones are gonna cause the whole project to not be worth it if left out versus nice to haves, and stuff in between

[worthy star]

Yea that makes sense

[graceful ermine]

how many color indications do you think we'd need?

[worthy star]

Probably 3-5

[thorny reef]

You know the community, check in with them on the list and feel out the vibes. You could also make a notes column if it'll help

[graceful ermine]

boy i'm sure the community would just want all the be strong wants on a lot of things

[worthy star]

Yea honestly tho

It would probably not be a bad idea to separate modding from the remaster itself

[graceful ermine]

heck a lot discussions here were mostly expecting a full on remake

[thorny reef]

That's why I kept my notes as vague as this, as they felt like the only real dealbreakers

[graceful ermine]

i did at least put some modding needs in a sense that would generally appeal to the current state of modding. like a much better mapping tool since that bozo of a program is a pain in its current form

[worthy star]

Yea modding is an absolute must but I would like the community to actually think first about the state of the game

And then modding stuff

[graceful ermine]

modders edition stuff would be low priority but i wanted to ensure that the engine modding would be more accessible since it took us literal years to finally crack the nut on that

[worthy star]

Plus ND could definitely continue support for these games

If it pops off

[graceful ermine]

and i also don't want it to undo all the already made progress we made with modders edition so ensuring there's a better ease of access would hopefully make the transer less of a pain

[worthy star]

That is also true

[graceful ermine]

regardless i'll try to color each bullet point with what would be prioritized with the general consensus i and the community has had when it comes to stuff needed and wanting

[worthy star]

I skimmed through it a bit

I think Velociraptor should have pack hunting if mobile ports and mee can do it I think it he fair for remaster to have

And I know its a big change but technically speaking if the raptor was the only dinosaur to have this

The role would still exist via allo and spino

[graceful ermine]

pack hunting would most likely fall under what modders edition stuff we'd want. i still want to try and adhere to what the originals had and leave whatever larger changes (like ice age renames) as more of a seed planted rather than a mighty need due to mee.

[worthy star]

Fair on that front but I'm mainly looking at this at the point of view of someone who doesn't want to mod their game so at least having the raptor being in maybe a pack of 3 wouldn't be a gigantic change imo also I think its important to mention that most if not all the creatures need a resize and weight fix up

If memory serves right c2 had cerato and spino use identical stats

And ice age creatures are unbearable to hunt because of how skittish all of them are

Especially the yeti

[graceful ermine]

ye i did mention readjusting aggression (or the lack there-of) of ice age animes
except yeti because a cryptid is clearly going to be evasive as fuck

[worthy star]

I think the yeti should definitely be very aggressive

I understand the cryptid runs away aspect but

[graceful ermine]

i mean the change between timid and aggressive is pretty fast considering the yeti itself is the fastest animal in any of the games

[worthy star]

Also most buggy

[graceful ermine]

it's all about whether you are in that radius or not

[worthy star]

You know what the yeti just made me think

For the remasters why don't all the locked creatures not get shown or name dropped until they are actually unlocked

Basically the bonus slot from ice age but to everything

There is a lot of small details they could add to make the experience more cohesive

[graceful ermine]

well at the end of the day its whether or not the amount of work is worth being a faithful remaster or just a remake. and i am trying to keep anything that is already on the modders edition spreadsheet being treated as low priority because again the priority should be to ensure what we've already achieved through mee can be easily transferred and not just another stack of work for nd to implement and such work could have been better off spent on a remake

[worthy star]

Makes sense although to be fair the trilogy is always gonna be part of the remaster territory as what we are basically just doing is updating it

That's what a remaster really is at the end of the day and a remake is probably a long ways ahead from now

If it ever will happen

[graceful ermine]

but also this is also why i did say initially that i was going for more realistic expectations/beneficial/unbiased takes because yea there are a lot of things that could very much enhance the overall experience like what legacy does but there has to be an understanding that any more extreme changes and additions (like pack hunting) would most likely not be in it because of how very different from the original experience it is. and plus with the push for us needing modding we would most likely already fix a lot of those kinds of needs. (especially for a steam workshop i bet you a pack raptor mod would be in an essential mod collection)

[worthy star]

You know fair on that front

Also what do you think about c2 weapons being part of c1

And I guess the c1 shotgun filling up the other two games or the pump action and db shotgun are gone and only thing that gets ported is the pistol and rifle

This one was just a random thought honestly I can take it or leave it

[graceful ermine]

i'm sure the weapon rosters would stick to their respected games but i'm sure modding them into each other in the remaster would be the upmost easiest thing to do

[worthy star]

I do hope a minecraft type instance can be implemented for easier mod management

Instead of having replacement mods we just load up different versions of the same game we created

[graceful ermine]

the problem with minecraft is that it does make dupe installs which does bloat memory quite a bit. mod management should be relatively easy with the steam workshop and whatever improved system for injecting mods would be present

i did make notes of what could potentially be less messy and conflicting ways file management could be regarding minor little addons to major total conversions

[worthy star]

Actually I think Doom 1+2 has a mod manager

Would not be surprised if it operated similarly to that

Whatever ND comes up with I'm sure it will be serviceable

[thorny reef]

Disregard, I'm not familiar enough to speak on how things are set up

[granite edge]

Cityscape needs a remake, not a remaster

[frigid skiff]

Tatem promised to bring the mobile ports to Steam like 8 years ago or something and it's been nothing but silence since

[viral loom]

NightDive doesn't own turok iirc and they did the turok remasters

It's just permission they need

Idk just a guess

[worthy star]

Its safe to say that project has been dead

[graceful ermine]

which has brought us to this moment

[versed stirrup]

Steam port that is not from Tatem

https://tenor.com/view/looking-forward-looking-forward-to-this-looking-forward-to-it-i-have-been-looking-forward-to-this-star-wars-gif-12635902

[upbeat hearth]

Oo I see

[misty nimbus]

Guys, Is this gonna be like an unofficial remaster or an official?

[cerulean sluice]

Official.

Yo that list is GOATED tho.

It has all the necessary things.

[frigid skiff]

What list?

[cerulean sluice]

This.

[frigid skiff]

All of that sounds very good to me

[ember granite]

the only thing I disagree with this list is keeping the misspelling of archaeopteryx and brontotherium but other than that this has everything

though maybe adding rare variant dinosaurs could be a cool addition

like albinos and melanistics for example

also I think the Dire Wolf of FMM UV-32 is moreso based on Canis dirus before the species was found to be more fox-like than wolf

[ember granite]

tatem really gave us a massive middle finger with that steam port of carnivores dinosaur hunter

[viral loom]

They're not the real animals in the lore

So it technically doesn't matter

They're aliens that happen to have evolved to look similar to specific animals on earth

[plush pewter]

to be honest that's kinda all i want out of it, but that's just me personally, just a port to modern hardware with a heavy support for mods, as all those years of mods having support would be a huge plus

[ember granite]

i'm aware but s t i l l

[viral loom]

[orchid night]

tatem takeover

by nightdive

is my dream

[ember granite]

real

[orchid night]

delete tatem

that's better

nuke tatem

👍

[ember granite]

tatem should stick to mobile games

they obviously can't keep carnivores alive

[orchid night]

tatem hq

is dead

to me

isn't the CEO of tatem the same guy who was CEO of action forms

[worthy star]

If memory serves right yes

Tatem is basically Action Forms 2

[ember granite]

no

he was co-founder and executive director

but he is founder and CEO of tatem

wait

no action forms was a few people

he was amongst the founding team

[orchid night]

what happened to action forms

saurian target said they merged into sunstorm but in wikipedia it said their fate was 'dormancy'

[ember granite]

they never merged as far as i know

sunstorm made cityscape but

action forms is dormant

dormant as of 2011

[orchid night]

exactly i wondered cuz cityscape resembles the originals little to none

[orchid night]

dormant means they'll never come back too?

[ember granite]

sunstorm just had permission

[ember granite]

they could but i doubt they're going to

[orchid night]

if nightdive manages to pump out a remaster for sure action forms will have some sort of involvement

even if it's very little

[ember granite]

ye

[orchid night]

what is this

[viral loom]

A hyrax

[orchid night]

oh

but why

[viral loom]

They're closely related to elephants and manatees

Why not

[orchid night]

many reasons

[viral loom]

It cool and cute

And it go AWAWA

[orchid night]

wanna know what else is cool & cute?

[viral loom]

Wot

[orchid night]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-yoda-slap-slapping-yoda-puppet-yoda-puppet-slap-gif-15181455

[viral loom]

A

[orchid night]

why are cityscapes designs so ass btw

they're just worse primal prey designs

ironic cause it's one year older

cityscapes dinosaurs are t-posing like more than half the time

throughout the game

[thorny reef]

Yeah, it's good to establish what are deal breakers and what are things to strive for and what's nice to have in case the IP holder attempts to set bad terms in initial meetings or in case the deal breakers require a larger than expected budget, things that will help with the planning phase instead of trying to drastically steer the ship mid course (a fast track to development hell)

Keep in mind, I don't know a thing about this series beyond what I've read here, this is all generic thoughts about the setting up of a project

[viral loom]

A port with better textures, slightly better models, and better mod support

Aka a remaster

[thorny reef]

Yeah my thoughts too, but it's good to emphasize the mod part in case that gets overlooked, as it seems more vital to this fandom than it does with others

[plush pewter]

to be treated as on par with Quake mods, very vital to it's lifespan

[orchid night]

nightdive will take care of it don't sweat it

at the same time they removed workshop from turok 2 & 3

as well as no multiplayer for turok 3

[viral loom]

That's why we love NightDive because they listen to/care about their community

[primal dove]

hows it going hunters how we feeling

[worthy star]

I'm feeling awesome

[frigid skiff]

Would you even want to see a new game and if so what would it be like?

I feel like you shouldn't move away from the grotesque low poly visuals

[graceful ermine]

(late response, i just woke up)
fair but the grandest majority of the community has accepted the misspellings (especially the sect that is super into what lore we can get for the series)

as for the rare variants (albinos/melanistics) that is still too big of a change for a remaster and more worthy of a remake

[cerulean sluice]

Honestly Carnivores is one IP that, in my opinion, Nightdive should seek to acquire in its entirety if that's possible. I'm not sure how much opposition it'd face from Tatem who evidently doesn't care enough to actually keep iterating on its strengths and massively niche subject matter.

[frigid skiff]

To make new games?

[graceful ermine]

wondering if such feat is possible since the most i can tell is that nd just has the licenses to the ips they remaster and not complete ownership

but their is a chance they can take carnivores that would be pretty awesome

[orchid night]

i don't see carnivores recieving a remake any time soon

remaster is coming for sure tho

[graceful ermine]

we know this but i am telling them that their suggestion for the new animal variants is more remake territory than remaster

[orchid night]

true

[orchid night]

i think it should stay this way

i don't see that much of a reason for carnivores getting a remake other than graphics

it's a relatively simple game

[graceful ermine]

i mean, a remake would at least validate all the more expansive ideas that a lot of folks have been trying to put forth as suggestions for this remaster

[orchid night]

remaster is much more fitting

[graceful ermine]

but since we're here mainly for a remaster then i have to keep hammering it in that any more larger changes would constitute a remake rather than a remaster. which is why i got the doc together that focuses more on what already is that is for a remaster rather than a big ol' list of remake content and concepts

[orchid night]

a remake would be much more fitting on smth like cityscape

but i don't see that happening either sadly

[graceful ermine]

yea and realistically that energy would rather be put into a vivisector remaster since the connective tissue engine-wise is way more present than cityscape

[orchid night]

well a remake would run on a seperate modern engine rather than that

[graceful ermine]

but what i'm saying is that vivsector originally already uses atmosfear just like the original carnivores games which makes the transition a little easier. and there is the assumption that regardless of carnivores (and maybe vivisector) being plopped into the kex engine would still retain the means of familiarity for modding like the old versions

[orchid night]

pretty much all of nightdives remasters are on kex

that's the whole purpose of the kex engine

i heard they have no plans in modernising it which is sad

they're gonna be forced to use some monopolistic bs like UE

(for their remakes)

[graceful ermine]

yes, again, if modding is going to happen it'll most likely be in a familiar vein to how we've been modding the old games. and i am saying that in regards to a cityscape "remake", it would be better to put that energy into a vivisector remaster, because vivisector is already closer to carnivores than cityscape is, and if carnivores gets kex'd and retain modding fidelity, so will vivisector, because the two are closer to modding potentiality than cityscape

modders could absolutely do more with vivisector than cityscape

[orchid night]

well cityscape is dogshit and vivisector isn't so

[graceful ermine]

exactly

[orchid night]

vivisector also deserved a remaster cuz it isn't dogshit

idk about remake tho

[graceful ermine]

we're not talking remakes though we are talking remasters

[orchid night]

even for the time vivisector looked kinda off to me

[graceful ermine]

the only mention of remake was in regards to cityscape

but i am repeating over and over again that it would be better to remaster vivisector rather than cityscape

[orchid night]

looks like a bunch of higher polygon models slapped into the carnivoers 1998 engine

[orchid night]

it's not that deep bro

we gonna get a carnivores remaster so we all win

[viral loom]

Then we can rub alien dino bellies

And give them treats

I'm obsessed with rubbing animal bellies if you haven't noticed

Mostly because I have a cat who loves belly rubs

[graceful ermine]

yes carnivores will be the ultimate priority on us. but for cityscape, (to reiterate again) that energy (regardless of remake or remaster) would be better put into remastering vivisector because it has more relation to carnivores than cityscape does to carnivores. as you did say, vivisector looks like the old carnivores engine, because it is (at least a way more upgraded and enhanced version of it)

[viral loom]

Also rex easter egg

[graceful ermine]

well that's just an easter egg

[orchid night]

vivisector does not look like it released in 2005 lol

looks older than cityscape

then 3 years later action forms released cryostasis which is pretty crazy

[viral loom]

But it's pretty cool

[orchid night]

it's the same model right?

[graceful ermine]

it's on par with 2005 honestly given the rest of the bigger games

[viral loom]

Of what?

[orchid night]

tbh yeah alot of early 2000 games looked pretty trash

[worthy star]

I think everything should have the correct spelling except for the brontoteriy as that was very much intentionally done

[viral loom]

Because it's definitely not a model from C1/C2

[orchid night]

it's better than the bullshit modern obsession glaze everybody has over graphics

[ember granite]

fair enough

[orchid night]

people are getting so sick of it

[ember granite]

the cacopog is a very extensive emoji

[worthy star]

Also another thing that will need to be done is make sure the fort uses the mobile port menu text

Instead of the c2 menu text as c2 has an error of the location of the fort

[orchid night]

nah you right the texture seems to have been nabbed & modified heavily

what was even the point of it

[graceful ermine]

an easter egg

[worthy star]

I also wouldn't mind a dino pedia type thing on the game menu selection screen where you can look at the 3d models like jwe2 and just have some extra info ported over from the mobile ports

[viral loom]

Plus easter eggs are cool

[orchid night]

like they must've spent so much time on the model

and didn't actually add it as an enemy

[viral loom]

I mean, some people use nude human models as easter eggs in games because it's funny and it gets lots of attention

[orchid night]

maybe it waspreviously made for duke nukem

[graceful ermine]

wait until you hear about the half-life 2 synths

[viral loom]

Tbh that's more sad

[orchid night]

they were in the game technically

just for like 5 seconds

[viral loom]

They don't do anything

[orchid night]

they weren't an easter egg

[orchid night]

yea ik

[graceful ermine]

but they also weren't enemies to fight

[viral loom]

They were gonna be

[orchid night]

imagine if that one jackass didn't leak hl2

[graceful ermine]

the presence of something being made in a game that doesn't have a major role does not mean the work put into them (regardless if its an easter egg or not) is wasted

[orchid night]

the game would be so different

[viral loom]

Well half of the maps were in the more retail stages anyway

Iirc

So most of the stuff was VERY close to the final release

[orchid night]

early hl2 beta was too much tbh good they toned it down

would've come off a bit too cheesy'

it's just sad cuz if there wasn't for the leaks they would've for sure finished all that extra content

[viral loom]

They explain it more in the HL2 anniversary documentary iirc

[orchid night]

they really didn't

but maybe i'm jus trippin cuz i din't watch the full doc extensively

it's so damn long

[viral loom]

It's better than people who weren't involved at all saying info about behind the scenes

Anyway

Jumping spiders can dream in their sleep

And it's very cool

[worthy star]

That's it I've decided to be the villain

We don't need carnivores remaster let it rot while we get new systems killing it off

[viral loom]

nuh uh bad Nicolas

Carnivores remaster Nicolas

or i feed u to rex

[viral loom]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-bite-biting-cute-gif-23044464

[craggy dawn]

Hopefully the box art T. Rex mod is compatible with the remaster, been using it for a couple days and now it’s hard to go back

[worthy star]

It can go down one of two ways

Mostly everything will be compatible

And mods will just be easy as pie

[viral loom]

OR NOT

oops caps

[worthy star]

Or everything has to be redone and everyone starts porting there stuff

[viral loom]

well

maybe for graphics settings

[worthy star]

What about the graphics settings?

[viral loom]

like remastered mod models vs og

[craggy dawn]

Man now I’m imagining if the reboots were in the style of the OG games, that would’ve been amazing

[craggy dawn]

Yes, what have you done

Digital Dreams give me my retrosaurs back you are not prehistoric hunt

[worthy star]

I'm chill with the 90s style maybe not as visually interesting as the originals

But they serviceable

Here is some stuff I was able to pull off

You can cut your visibility

I turned everything red for just because

And idk what happened here

Literally just found all this out rn

Its awesome

[viral loom]

Carnivores ice age hd

[viral loom]

I really wonder if it was a dummy rolling at the last moment or the guy just went pebble toad mode

[versed stirrup]

It's russia

So....

Yeah

[ember granite]

it was very much a person

[rain hatch]

WTF HAPPENED

I GOT BANNED IN SAGA DISCORD

WHAT DID I SAY TO GET BANNED IN THAT SERVER

WHAT I DID I DO?!

WTF???

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL?

DUDE THE NOOZI THING WAS OVER AND THE ACCIDENTAL GENDER TYPO AND ME BEING "TRANSOPHOBIC" IS DONE

[thorny reef]

Howdy, please don't bring drama from another server here

[rain hatch]

OK

[versed stirrup]

umm

[graceful ermine]

no it isn't

[versed stirrup]

i don't think they are

[rain hatch]

oh

idk

also @versed stirrup

how did you made the Google translate edition for Carnivores 2 mod thing

like what translator does broken things

[versed stirrup]

just google translate

and hypertranslate

[plush pewter]

unsurprising tbh

[worthy star]

Just a reminder for folks if they haven't already

Go vote for

https://discord.com/channels/190583485826727936/1202725292435841084

[viral loom]

why og rex angy

[worthy star]

Because everyone is copying him

[viral loom]

Lol

[worthy star]

@timber jungle

[viral loom]

https://tenor.com/view/skippy-bush-the-kangaroo-jamming-australia-oz-drums-gif-11612152

[clever flint]

So is this the most voted suggestion yet ?

[upbeat hearth]

Yes

[thorny reef]

Yes, by a lot

[upbeat hearth]

What a history of bad games does to a community

[upbeat hearth]

So, by the currently situation of the carnivores games, the votes and all, can you Tell us If there is a good chance of them getting a remaster?

[thorny reef]

I haven't gotten any feedback on what reactions staff has had to this effort. That may have more to do with timing, as my main point of contact was recovering from flu and I've been seeing a lot of indications that the administrative staff (producers and execs) are all very busy with whatever behind the scenes situations they are handling.

I plan to follow up and rehighlight this crowd effort once things look to be calmer (probably after the next crop of games are announced)

As far as chances go, that has way more to do with 4 factors than anything else:

1. staff desire (this is an unknown quantity)
2. IP holder willingness and requirements (gotta make a deal or nothing happens)
3. source code maintenance (ND is probably not going to take the project if they have to decompile the games)
4. fan interest (this campaign has shored up this point, although it's not a deal breaker if there isn't a ton of fan interest, as friendly publisher deals can make pet projects available)

With other companies (Aspyr, for example), it feels like fan interest tends to be a higher priority, since they don't have quite the same autonomy Nightdive does. Gotta make the safe bets to keep above water. But that's what I'm really loving about Nightdive, it's not just crowd pleasers and low hanging fruit

[upbeat hearth]

I understand

Thanks

[cerulean sluice]

Number two I'm definitely the most worried about in the case of Carnivores.

While Tatem was very mod positive eight years ago, we don't know how they'll feel about a different studio making the modding tools and effectively giving the community sanctioned access to expand the brand to this capacity.

If one of their conditions is no modding tools then we're pretty much back to square one.

I'm sure the community will recover and figure stuff out, but it's just a concern of mine.

[upbeat hearth]

What happened to dinosaur hunt? Digital dreams seems to have dissapeared, is the game pretty much abandoned Just like dinosaur Hunter?

[cerulean sluice]

Yep.

[upbeat hearth]

[thorny reef]

That's why my highlighting has been as simple as they are focused on the Action Forms trilogy of games and they want compatibility with the existing mod scene. I haven't pushed anything else on this, but I have pinned the more elaborate requests in case a deeper look is needed

[cerulean sluice]

The source code should be easy enough since IIRC Tatem has both the C2 and AtmosFear Engine source code.

But the mods are really THE point to push.

[haughty mesa]

Have you been able to take a look at MEE and its patch notes?

[granite edge]

The source code is also public iirc

[thorny reef]

I don't know anything about these games, just what you've been saying in this chat room. Modding is important to you, any remaster should preserve most if not all of it or the remaster wouldn't be worth doing

[haughty mesa]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/carnivores-modders-edition
This is all of the features modders would be expecting, and the mod plans to eventually include features from Carnivores 1 and the mobile games that do not exist in the Carnivores 2/Ice Age engine

[worthy star]

I don't think we should expect 100% of mee to make it in the first release

Some yes

But definitely not all

[ember granite]

if anything it feels like something else they’d have to make compatible with the remaster

[worthy star]

But again that's something that can always be fixed with updates

[ember granite]

I’m a-okay with the remasters first then the modders engine

[worthy star]

We would be going back a bit yes but the future looks brighter

Unless ND isn't doesn't really update stuff after being finished

[worthy star]

@thorny reef

Would ND just do a one and done with only bug fix updates or would there be possibility of adding bonus content for modders

[thorny reef]

I'm getting the vibe that getting in contact with mee's devs would be a prudent choice if a remaster deal is hammered out.

[thorny reef]

Case by case is the track record here

[worthy star]

Gotcha

[worthy star]

Also that should be easy as they are already in this server

[thorny reef]

The Thing Remastered has different mod tools than original The Thing, but I think other games just drop assets into an accessible folder and have the community do with them what they will

[worthy star]

I see hopefully we get some sort of new mod tools because current ones we have work but are very outdated and crash constantly

[graceful ermine]

yeaaaaah the old tools are constantly being ruined my windows' updates and upgrades

some functionality from the og modeller and animator programs ceased to work (but thankfully peeps made some plugins for blender to counter that)
our .car compiler stuff is scattered in functionality to the point that we need 3 to just do one job
and the map program gets so pissy that any attempts to really make any quality map could result in the program off'ing itself and refusing to open the project anymore because of "lack of memory"

[graceful ermine]

definitely the case. he's in this server @/ornithomimid1 and i'd say he has a pretty good idea of how the engine ticks considering he managed to merge exclusive functions from c2 and ice age into one
(i did make notes of this in my pinned doc)

[worthy star]

Headphone warning

We are at 570

30 more and we reach 600

[upbeat hearth]

Jesus christ

[haughty mesa]

When you tell the autistic dino fans that the turok remaster company is asking for suggestions

I couldn't be happier

[primal dove]

so what i miss

(ignore my PFP i lost a bet)

[worthy star]

Ah I feel that

[worthy star]

Just this tho

Nothing much really when it comes to activity

[plucky crescent]

at least you guys got more fans than us MA fans do. about 320 is all we could muster by ourselves. 1 game that got shadow banned by it's publisher's owner that only got 1 unpublicized rerelease 5 years after the game came out. you guys got a LOT more going for ya

[frigid skiff]

It's still the second highest voted game so I'd say it still has decent odds of an attempted remaster

[versed stirrup]

Carnivores: Cityscape is the best game in the franchise

[rain hatch]

Carnivores Cityscape Be like:

[versed stirrup]

No please

[rain hatch]

no it was a joke

i wont

because my channel is already dead

and i dont want you and the whole saga to attack me bruh..

[rain hatch]

It was a joke

[versed stirrup]

Can you stop pinging me please?

[rain hatch]

Ok

This is Saga 2.0 because its still carnivores

[plush pewter]

doesn't mean you get to be annoying in this place too

[sage oracle]

Btw the t-rex model here is pretty cool

[upbeat hearth]

I summon the enterity of the carnivores community to help our fellow metal arms fanbase to reach a very high number of votes, Just like what we did for our beloved franchise.

Its seems I have no Power against this plight

[graceful ermine]

technically i already did my part on that a whole ago

[worthy star]

Not released yet

Still waiting on the other guys to be finished

[upbeat hearth]

Btw If you guys never played metal arms, please give It a try, truly a hidden gem of the PS2 era

[worthy star]

I would if it was easily available

[upbeat hearth]

Try dolphin or pcsx2 emulator

I tried with My PC who cant run dinosaur hunt on a stable 30 fps, metal arms on PCSX2 emulator, I got It running very smoothly without tweaking any configuration

That, of course, If you have a pc

[worthy star]

I don’t think discussion of emulation is allowed on this server

They have to uphold a certain standard

[upbeat hearth]

Ok

[thorny reef]

You can discuss emulation in general, the line is promotion of piracy. I'm a bit lenient on philosophical discussions, but definitely no links to download copyrighted material.

As far as advising how to play metal arms goes, yeah unless you find a physical copy or a 360 HDD that already bought the game before the store closed, emulation is currently the only way to play it.

[worthy star]

Oh alright that makes sense

[upbeat hearth]

Nice

[cursive kelp]

Ngl I'm excited for news on this

Hope it goes well

[worthy star]

Just a reminder stuff like this does take years

So all we can do atm is spread the word of what we want

And continue to vote

[echo cliff]

any news on the remaster?

[thorny reef]

no news, likely none for years, as Nightdive already has a bunch of projects already lined up

[echo cliff]

I see.

[graceful ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-be-patient-beavis-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e1-have-patience-gif-13122042217329154213

[echo cliff]

Patience is key

[upbeat hearth]

Hopefully the world doesnt end until then

[craggy dawn]

I’m sure we’ll see the remaster

[frigid skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

I should finally give the modders edition a try

I've basically exclusively played the mobile port

[rain hatch]

me trying to beg every animator in saga to animate and rig for me but i just end up doing this

btw i somehow used an ai to Re-animate yeti

Nvm the animations freeze for a few seconds

[versed stirrup]

That one pixel on the mountain when you have the high ground against carnivores

[craggy dawn]

I felt that kids pain Jesus

[rain hatch]

a saltriovenator roaring in the redwoods

This is for a update for one of my mods Carnivores:Ancient kingdoms

btw the roar is in cerato but i got it from cmm

the background is acchilobator or raptor and the moshcops blue red purple is titanosuchus

This is saga 2.0 since i cant go post in screenshoots modding general i just post here then

Another saltriovenator roaring

Sniffing

Btw i made the map

btw if the saltri looks small compared to achi its because its a juvi, adults in my mods can grow up to 7-8 meters and 4-5 tons

[granite edge]

No it's not

[rain hatch]

OK

[upbeat hearth]

You lead the way, lets get out of here

[brisk wren]

When did you make Saltrio?

[jovial robin]

Hey I’m out of the loop is there a set amount of votes you need to confirm a rework or carnivores? Also if we do get a rework how will they get the license from the carnivores game to sell the rework on steam

[thorny reef]

#1149864293379088446 message

I go into more details here, but short version is nothing is guaranteed, as there are multiple ways things can fall apart, from business dealings with IP holder to lost source code to the fact that Nightdive needs to metaphorically buy into wanting to do the project in the first place.

The votes are helpful in showing that there is a large fan contingent and gauging what that contingent needs from a remaster project (MOD SUPPORT), but that's the limit of what the crowds can accomplish

[jovial robin]

So basically just hope and pray that in the coming years a remake MIGHT come out

I’ve been doing that with silksong and steel ball run so what’s another project ig

[thorny reef]

I would set expectations on Remaster, as opposed to remake, and any announcement would be years away, as there are already numerous projects lined up. The only ones of those announced are System Shock 2 Enhanced Edition and SiN Reloaded, both of which are looking to be ramping up production for sooner than later launches

for context, Killing Time Resurrected and The Thing Remastered both got announced the same year they were released

[jovial robin]

Same year they were announced?

That’s actually really impressive

And yeah a remaster would be ideal considering the audio problems with carnivores on win11 plus other bugs

[viral loom]

A remaster would be better

We already had reboots

We don't need another reboot cough cough dinosaur hunt cough cough

[echo cliff]

@fickle bay

[worthy star]

@graceful ermine idk if this is added to the list but slight model updates to the weapons as well should be considered

Like c1 shotgun was only like 4 tris

[craggy dawn]

Dinosaur Hunt was just a victim of horrible timing

It’s like the carnivores reboots are cursed

[graceful ermine]

this already adheres to "Visual updates/enhancements for all assets should improve but faithfully adhere to original in-game designs" in the graphical improvements section

[craggy dawn]

So then what? If it fails, then do the fans do a remaster then?

[worthy star]

Ah I see thought that only applied to the dinosaurs

[worthy star]

Hunt had good timing

When it comes to advertisement and shit

[graceful ermine]

that's why the wording of "all assets" was present, since right now we only have dinosaur examples

[worthy star]

My bad

[worthy star]

It had a good base to work off of

They just kept on fumbling the park with bad choices

The carnivorous anky and trike and the DLC were two very bad choices

Also from my understanding they straight up did not have an animator hence why the unity assests were used

[graceful ermine]

made worse by the fact those very assets were present in "prehistoric hunt" for those same dinosaurs when that happened

[thorny reef]

You always have that option, and wouldn't be the first community to have open source fan projects replace the need for a remaster (roller coaster tycoon comes to mind) but it would be worth looking into the delicate legal dance that comes with such projects and their IP holder.

Here's a decent primer on what I mean https://youtu.be/P5Cj-1tN-lY?si=WOdFDyBOu8RCKwnr

Communication and discretion are paramount in such fan efforts

On the other side if the coin, if you know the IP holder isn't going to play ball...
https://youtu.be/hqwP6uuYOWo?si=X_tbBW3Q77qfPmaw

[viral loom]

Well for now we just to hope and pray that one day, NightDive will remaster this classic trilogy

[upbeat hearth]

Really valuable lesson here

[viral loom]

I've waited too long for this moment to come

Because a ND treatment would be awesome

[ember granite]

close to 600 likes

[worthy star]

Carnivores means so much to me more than I ever gave it credit for and as such a remaster of this trilogy is something that must happen whether it’s ND or some other studio

[rain hatch]

just a few days ago

[brisk wren]

Okay, only asked since Barry is planning to add one for FK.

[wild elk]

ohmygourd

[versed stirrup]

Dis is how I feel playing Carnivores mod at 3am

[sage oracle]

Ones i finish my exams i’ll play carnivores 3 hours straight

“In midnight”

Cuz its more fun

Btw guys do you recommend any good “ice age” mods?

Like anything except far north

I want something with the same vibe that legacy gives

But for ice age

[versed stirrup]

Try Migration

Not exactly an ice age mod

But still have snow

[sage oracle]

What is it about?

[versed stirrup]

And blizzard

And ice

[sage oracle]

Sounds cool

[versed stirrup]

And reskin dinosaur

[sage oracle]

Do you have pics or videos of it?

Kinda want to see it

Im actually waiting for boreal isle

Idk actually if it’s gonna be as cool as far north

[versed stirrup]

https://youtu.be/9WCWpqByddc?si=YHHcoR1dAF67sagQ

[sage oracle]

But meh let is wait and see

[sage oracle]

Oo ik this one

[versed stirrup]

Check out this showcase from Saurian

[sage oracle]

Ok

[versed stirrup]

The demo is already out

[sage oracle]

Ik

I want the full release

Wanna see what ist gonna add more

Sounds fun tbh

[sage oracle]

Btw do you know that feeling when you have some ideas of a game or a mod that is hella cool

But u have no way if making it true

I actually have an idea of a game

That includes “prehistoric hunt”

Similar to carnivores dinosaurs hunt

But with much more periods and much more creatures

Still i dunno anything about coding or making a game xdd

So i think it’d still an “idea” that eventually it’d never be true

[sage oracle]

I meant here that the game includes the mesozoic and Cainozoic era

Triassic Jurassic and cretaceous

Also the ice age, etc..

[jovial robin]

It’s really early beta but you can try out boreal isles

Its pretty high quality and I think it has the potential to be as good as if not better than far north if they continue

[versed stirrup]

Pov: randos picking the most obscure dinosaur name possible and ask if it ever been feature in the mod

[viral loom]

Microceratus

[viral loom]

Cenazoic

But anyway

[upbeat hearth]

Everyone who joined the carnivores saga had a mod Idea

Even myself at one time

After your mod idea gets shattered by older, more experienced members in the community, either you start producing art or start writing fanfic stories, then, Just then, you start pocking with the engine and more and more, eventually you gonna release your First crappy mod, but yea, If you persistent you also eventually get better

If you lucky, also getting some friends along the way

[ember granite]

modeling this for my friend and I's carnivores fangame on boblox

existence is pain

[indigo geyser]

Turan Chocks...

[worthy star]

✅

[worthy star]

20 more votes!!!

[versed stirrup]

Turan that dropship is coming right for us

[rain hatch]

Thats me

[unborn dagger]

why is he here

[versed stirrup]

Saga 2.0 he say

[rain hatch]

Because yes

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

THIS IS

THE

CARNIVORES

SAGA

DISCORD

2.0

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[frigid skiff]

Starting to see why you were banned

[craggy dawn]

TATEM, GREENLIGHT THE CARNIVORES REMASTER, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[upbeat hearth]

Dont do that

They gonna use your soul in some crappy gym Tycoon mobile game

Worse fate than hell

[unborn dagger]

you’re not funny man

quit it

this isn’t some “Saga 2.0”

[rain hatch]

yes it is

this is saga

[unborn dagger]

this is a discussion on the possible future remaster of the game

bruh

[rain hatch]

i joined the CMM discord server

Do you even know what server is that

[unborn dagger]

nobody cares, just stay quiet

[rain hatch]

ok fine

[unborn dagger]

this isn’t saga 2.0

this is a simple discussion forum on the game remaster.

[viral loom]

remasters and remakes are different

we already had 3 remakes/reboots