avatar-dynamics

[halcyon vault]

the transforms is the number of objects the components are acting on

if a bone chain has 6 bones then that's 6 transforms

[tacit stirrup]

parameters of all my avatars in the project got reset wtf x.x

is that because of the new sdk and the way i upgraded or wut

[jolly crane]

is that just a PC avatar you're trying to upload to quest...?

[toxic dawn]

It's a quest version of a pc avatar

[halcyon vault]

did unity crash/close when you were upgrading?

[toxic dawn]

Will it affect the looks of the avatar if I were to remove a few bones?

[tacit stirrup]

don't think so, but now that I think about it I uploaded few avatars yesterday and didn't get any parameter red errors in the SDK.
I used the 2 tools on gumroad by Fluff / Cam (for phys bones convert / editing) and that's the only thing I can think of I did since then

I didn't mess with the sdk since then

sdk upgrade was like 2-3 days ago and yesterday i uploaded fine with no parameter errors so they must've been good then

[halcyon vault]

In unity, yes. The mesh that is weighted to those bones, if it has nothing else to follow, will stretch to the world origin. Can get very ugly. You'll need to reduce the bones in blender then

[pearl hull]

So I updated my avatar with Phys Bone component. It works great. But when somebody grabs it it twitches around. Somebody know a solution?

[dry panther]

Might happen if you animate that bone

[abstract pivot]

i've been trying to animate the gravity slider and the max angle slider but it does not seem to work in game. when i test it inside unity i can see the sliders changing value but nothing happen visualy in unity or in game. Am i missing something?

[pearl hull]

Its not animated

[dry panther]

Since clos beta. Grabbing was not always smooth. Is there a constraints in there?

[pearl hull]

Nope. On this object and child objects is only the phys bone component

[bright bolt]

can someone explain how physbones on the same asset behaves differently on 2 different avatars

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680143723472224278/967817166961377290/unknown.png

see how one looks like it has 5 bones and the other only 2, it behaves that way in game too

[jolly crane]

no, they both have the same amount of bones

the difference is the curve applied on the Radius

[bright bolt]

only the upper half of it bends on the right one

[dry panther]

Is one scale in the scene?

Physbone don't like scaled object

[bright bolt]

the scales are different, they have to be in order to be the right size, just avatar weirdness

also

i did not know you could click on that curve i thought it was just a visual representation

thanks for mentioning that

the converter applied some weird settings by default, and they aren't even the same on the same asset used on different avatars

can be fine on one and wrong on another

[fringe iron]

So im wanting to make a certain receiver a toggle, as it goes with a specific toggle prop. So I dont always want it on to where someone can summon the prop at any time. Is this possible?

I have a helmet that has open/close animations when you hit the helmet. I dont want to accidentally summon the helmet any time I put my finger up to my head

[upper raven]

at least on closed beta when you hid a receiver then toggled it back on it wouldn't work, but that was when it was on beta

[fringe iron]

Yeah thats been my issue as well

[lyric compass]

I've added physbones to a hat which is deformable and works fine normally when attached to my head bone. But as you know head bones are not visible in first person, only in mirrors. So what I've done is using a parent constraint to move the hat to my head. Now the problem is that when the constraint is active the physbones cease to function. Does anyone know if this is working as intended or something else I'm missing?

[elfin pier]

anybody know how to move grab physbones during unity run mode? i need to test em but don't remember how

[fringe iron]

use the scene/game view and drag them with your mouse!

[elfin pier]

is there a way to see the bones as you do so, like vrchat's debug thingy?

[fringe iron]

well, not in game mode I dont think

You can by making sure gizmos are on in playmode on your scene!

if youre looking for something like this!

oh wait nvm you can! just make sure gizmos are on

[bright bolt]

is the "Is Animated" option on the physbone turned on?

it's off by default (unless converted from a dynamic bone) and you probably need it on

[bright bolt]

also keep in mind there is a problem with constraints in that it syncs over the network slowly so every time you move around everyone else will see your hat floating a meter behind you following you around

[spark mist]

Hello, I just recently changed to PhysBone from Dynamic Bone and its working in Unity but when I tested it out in game, all my animations drops fps and I cant see any of my animations working. Can anyone help me out which caused this and how to fix it?

[torn tendon]

if an avatar already has physbones while importing do i still need to add dynamic bones?

[lyric compass]

Ahh thank you. Animation not being checked was it, but yeah that is a major issue.

[bright bolt]

you would think they could just be handled locally, like the dynamic bone/physbone calculations

still not sure what the difference between Stiffness and Immobile is

[elfin pier]

thanks!!

[fringe iron]

np!

[halcyon vault]

Do you have any recent evidence of this?
I haven't had any issue with constraints lagging behind for months, local or remote

[fringe iron]

ive had receiver lag, if that counts

takes awhile for me poking another users receivers for them to activate

[bright bolt]

last time was maybe a month or two ago? people don't use them a lot

i use rotation constraints to reduce the number of dynamic bones, but latency isn't really noticeable for my use case

[versed tartan]

Hey I'm having a bit of an issue with my physbones. This is the hair before:

This is the hair after.

What would be causing this?

[cursive hull]

do you have a collider on the head/nearby bone?

[versed tartan]

Yeah

lemme try decreasing the size of that collider

[cursive hull]

could also get rid of the collider entirely, and use angle limits instead

[versed tartan]

oh okay

how would I do that exactly

I'm unfamilar with physbones so

[cursive hull]

In the physbone component(s), look for the Limits field

[exotic sluice]

angle limits are so good bruh

[cursive hull]

there's Angle, Hinge, and Polar iirc - you can get a better explanation of them here c:
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/physbones

[exotic sluice]

why have colliders when you have angle limits doing the job you need already?

[simple elk]

Could end up having more components with that , depends on how its set up (8 max on quest)

[exotic sluice]

much more performant too

[bright bolt]

4 for quest fallback

and 6 is the effective limit, since below medium rating you're automatically perfblocked by most

for fallbacks, the limit is too low to be very useful

with 6 bones and 32 transforms you can do a lot, 4 and 16 you have to sacrifice a lot

finally got the physbones on my main avatar looking good, takes a lot of trial and error

dynamic bones wasn't any easier, i just had to relearn everything i learned from that

[versed tartan]

Anybody got any settings they like for hair for phys bones

[short narwhal]

https://i.gyazo.com/11c924198005bad847966b939fff2f2b.png

[potent rivet]

hey is it possible to add bones to an armature in unity? i'm trying to set up physbones on an avi and it doesn't want to work, i think it's because of the bones

[bright bolt]

hold on

[remote ferry]

Sippbox?

[short narwhal]

yup

[bright bolt]

you can try this (increase pull if you feel it's flowing in the air for too long and if you want it stiffer increase stiffness, hair comes in all types lol)

it didn't need a very complicated setup to look good imo

[formal raven]

question

can i have more than one controller on an avatar, not like not the avatar itself

lets say i wanna spawn a button, can i put a controller on that button rather than flood my avatars controller layers

[simple elk]

no it all goes through your descriptor

[formal raven]

awwe damn

really wish unity had layer folders

[steel thistle]

There can be animator in children objects. But you cannot control animator parameter in the children objects.

[formal raven]

wait so if i wanted a controller that had paramiters that reacted to the contacts would that work?

not menu based

[steel thistle]

It doesn't. Parameter still goes to avatar animator

[formal raven]

ahh damn

was hoping to make an interactable button with the new contact/senders without having to add even more layers to my avatar controller

is oki

[idle crescent]

Hey guys do you know why the new SDK with the avatar dynamics doubled my projects size? It used to be 900mb and now its 1.8gb
This is only by importing the new SDK over the old one. Deleting the library folder and let it regenerate did not help in any way, it came back to the original size, and it happened on multiple projects i have

[toxic birch]

is there a way to disable grabbing of your own dynamic bones

[steel thistle]

Could be some extra dependencies the sdk installed when you imported the new sdk.

[idle crescent]

So.. is it fixable? Was it intended?
Idk of any additional dependencies it requires..

Because it never happened with previous SDK updates..

[steel thistle]

Supposedly it's intended

[idle crescent]

Did it happen to you too?

[steel thistle]

My project is too big to be bother to check😂

[idle crescent]

Lol

Yeah these projects are hard drive killers

[cursive hull]

It's intended yes, the new SDK requires the Burst and Mathematics packages, which it auto-imports

[steel thistle]

The two extra dependencies

[idle crescent]

Oh.. so it will stay like this

Thats nearly an additional GB for each project.
Guess I will have to save my projects without library folder

Or buy a new hard drive/ssd 😅

[simple elk]

🤷 have its own drive

[idle crescent]

Hehe yeah no escape from that

Thanks for pointing that out, at least i know now that it will stay like this

[iron badge]

On my avatar, I have a secondary object with its own Animator, which is set up with parameters. I've put a VRC Contact Receiver on the object. But it looks like there is no way for that Contact Receiver to reference an animator other than the Playable Layers on the base avatar, is that correct?

[simple elk]

all parameters goes from your av , only worlds can do its own controller

[iron badge]

Sure, the object is a child of the avatar though, so I assumed there would be some way to use its controller. Ah well, I've thought of a way around it, it'll just take longer.

Thanks

[mellow citrus]

woooooooowwwww...thanks VRC -_-
I just noticed this for my project too.

[fallow owl]

Is there a new component for the SDK? Because I'm trying to find one for my avatar but I'm not sure which is the one

[short narwhal]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-dynamics

[fallow owl]

Like, I have the new DB sdk but I can't find it for when I make a fresh avatar

I'm trying to put the new sdk in a sdk2 avatar that I wanna test to see if it works

[rapid lantern]

I apologize if this has already been discussed, but is anyone else having issues with their avatar's hair being stuck like this? This is posed like this, it just loads in like so and whenever you try to reset those hair pieces, they spring back up like this

[fallow owl]

Ohhh nevermind I found the descriptor!

[craggy pewter]

Maybe try some gravity settings?

[mellow citrus]

it's how vrc converts the dynamic bones. nothing can be done about it unless you fix it in unity(which could take forever because physbones be buggy). For now, you can turn physbones off in safety settings, but this change is local to you.

[craggy pewter]

Also I just read the documentation on PhysBones, seems like a pretty good replacement for dynamic bones. I'm an avatar creator so I wanna test the limits of it. About to update one of my avatars with it

[mellow citrus]

good luck.

[craggy pewter]

Oh dont worry, it can be as complex as ever and ill figure it out, I do some crazy cool things with avatars already, like 3 years or so experience making them now

[rapid lantern]

Ahhhh that sucks a bit, it's an old 2.0 avatar and I've been using forever now. Sad to see it get broken from the update

[mellow citrus]

even using a recent sdk, you would need to redo the avatar descriptor and toggles and stuff because 2.0 and 3.0 are very different.
There is an auto convert in unity in the sdk, but you would have to go into play mode and see what you need to fix.

[craggy pewter]

I noticed a ton of my avatars are broken in various ways after the update, most notably, my avatars with dynamic bones on the tongues that normally enable with an expression only are always enabled now,

[fallow owl]

I had that issue too with the tongue thing

[craggy pewter]

3.0 ones I quit sdk 2 when 3 came out but yeah I think the update broke some stuff

[fallow owl]

Yeah some of my avatars including some favorited public ones are broken ahh

[craggy pewter]

Yeah last night I checked and legit all my avatars with dynamics on the tongues are acting weird now like that, kinda annoying XD I have hundreds of broken avatars now

[mellow citrus]

yep! nearly all of them.

[craggy pewter]

And one of my avatars hair acts like its in zero gravity and like its blowing in the wind all the time now after the update

[fallow owl]

That suckss because I don't think some of the creators are gonna update them :(

[lyric compass]

Some strangeness with animated physbones not following parented constraints in-game. Works correctly in Unity. Any clues what's going on here? Appreciate the help

[craggy pewter]

Thats so odd

Oh

Try to unlock the constraint and reposition it again then lock it again, it might have its origin spot broken so its jumping over there, weird if it works in unity still though

[halcyon vault]

I'll be the weird one, idm.
That avatar, that voice, I love it

[mellow citrus]

definitely not older avatars. and creators have like a lot of uploads.. i mean... like me, i dont really see the point in fixing them tbh.

[craggy pewter]

Yeah sadly not. Even some of my SUPER optimised avatars have weirdness happening from the update on the dynamic bones

[fallow owl]

Awww yeah :(

Thank god some of my sdk2 ones that I really like are still functioning

Because I have no idea how to convert their anims and everything over into a sdk3 format

[craggy pewter]

Im glad that it wasn't just me with the tongue issue and dynamic bones in general. Last night I was like why tf are all my main avatars acting so weird now XD

Its like this update forces everyone to convert to physbones instead, thats why im learning about it and playing around with it now

[short bone]

The Phyc Bone component is still bussy. My breasts are broken. One of the avatars, it just vanished for nothing, and hand colliding is not working.

[lyric compass]

Hmm, what do you mean by unlocking and locking the constraint? Also thanks @halcyon vault! It's the avatar for my Neon Divide RP character.

[craggy pewter]

One of mine had zero g breasts XD I was annoyed

[mellow citrus]

it does force the conversion. unless everyone has physbones turned off, theyre gonna be there no matter what.
It would have been better to keep dynamic bones and let people decide whether they want to add physbones or not.

[short bone]

Any reason why it wont let collide with hands?

Ears are same, still fine

[craggy pewter]

Like unchecking IsActive, on the constraint and position it again the reactivating it

[short bone]

I think component is still bugged, and sometimes it thinks it's Ignore Transform.

[craggy pewter]

Dang yeah I 100% agree with that, a lot of people dont know how to use unity as well and probably have some payed avatars they cant update now

[mellow citrus]

yeah.. now i have to go through the avatars i'm selling and update them myself.

[hollow burrow]

I know a few people have stated this, but the SDK is not working for me. I keep seeing "reload SDK" at the top. Any solutions found? I have the correct SDK, correct unity version. I deleted the SDK completely, reloaded it. Deleted unity and reinstalled. No pumpkin tools. Reloaded/updated the "mathematics" package, which is what it says theres an error with. After all that, it worked once then stopped working.

[craggy pewter]

I'm so used to dynamic bones, learning how to use this systems gonna be annoying, ahhhhh I have so many avatar to fix now lol

It does seem to work better than dynamic bones but both should be supported

[harsh copper]

has the VRC team mentioned of they want to make physbone component parameters animatable?

[mellow citrus]

did you try an empty project and then import the sdk?

[hollow burrow]

Yep. No dice.

[craggy pewter]

Oh maybe people are fixing the issues by updating the SDK that the avatar is useing and then maybe dynamic will work again, never thought of that. Maybe our avatars just need an SDK update

Instead of setting physbones up on them

[short bone]

And PB colliders have another problem: sucking effect.

[craggy pewter]

Ooooof

[lyric compass]

Ah yeah that doesn't seem to make any difference. I resume debugging

[short bone]

If you bring very near, it flipped over and can go in. It's not same as well developed DB.

[craggy pewter]

Also to answer this, you might just have to reload the project. Sometimes when I change the SDK the editor windows for it break or bug out, usually reopening the project fixes it

[dry panther]

have the parent of the hat have the constraint. don't put both on the same

[hollow burrow]

Tried that 😦

[craggy pewter]

Any console errors?

if you have console errors then the scripts wont compile

[lyric compass]

So you gotta unpack the prefab and place it in an empty game object?

[craggy pewter]

Poiomi shouldn't have errors thats odd, you might need to reimport that. Maybe poiomi referances scripts from the old vrchat sdk

Another thing you can try is to right click and reimport everything

[halcyon vault]

"already contains a definition for" usually is given when there are 2 of the same file in the project; they fight each other

[craggy pewter]

That poiomi error seems like you have more than one poiomi in your project since its saying that the namespace is used already

[gritty valley]

If im making a finger sender, do I need all of this or can i just do "Finger Index L"

[craggy pewter]

Id say just fully delete poiomi from your project and reimport it and then restart the project again @hollow burrow. See if that works

[hollow burrow]

Thank you! I'll attempt it.

[short bone]

Oke i have feeling the SDK conversion tool DB to PB is not well adjusted. It's broken at one avatar in breasts with possible extreme values.

[halcyon vault]

Finger Index is both hands, as is Finger which is all fingers on both hands. If you just want it on the left index then you only need the last one

[gritty valley]

im just asking if the finger, finger l, and finger index, are redundant

[dry panther]

just have one empty object as a parent for the constraint

[supple spindle]

So when people move my avatar’s hair, it just stays there. How can I change this other than resetting my avatar?

[dry panther]

should work better Ithink

[mellow citrus]

the autoconversion has been kinda bad for every avatar i've updated thus far.

[halcyon vault]

Even without the edit it still answered this

[gritty valley]

thx

[halcyon vault]

If they're posing it grab the chain and let go, it'll return to its rest. Else you have no Pull so it'll never return to rest. You can disable Posing on the component so people can't 'freeze' it

[supple spindle]

thank u!!

[craggy pewter]

Make sure that you have the same parameters in your avatars parameters as your FX layers parameters. Also double check that all your parameters are typed the exact same since its case sensitive. I have put a lowercase where there was supposed to be an upper case which will make it not work. Also how are you testing it in unity? I recommend the avatar emulator you can get, its open source and basically lets you test things as if you were in-game in unity, I can get the link if you need.

Ill post it anyway in case others might wanna use it. Its a lot better than jumping back and fourth since you can watch all your animator layers in action to see whats not working, great for fixing issues like that

https://github.com/lyuma/Av3Emulator

Just the parameters, so lets say I have a boolean that changes my hair color called HairChange. I would have to make sure its spelled exactly like that on the FX layer parameter and the vrchat parameter

And np

[lyric compass]

Made another empty container that I put the constraint and the physbones on instead. But the they're still offcenter ingame. Works fine in unity however.

[craggy pewter]

oh!

[craggy pewter]

Where is that Const_HatHand? If its on your avatar root thats why its not working, you wanna have it on your wrist bone so it follows it. My guess is that its on your avatar root so the hat is going to where your t-posed hand is instead of your in-game hands location

[craggy pewter]

Hm not that then

[dry panther]

No put the constraint on the first and the physbone on the child

[lyric compass]

Tried that too now, but they're still offset ingame.

[craggy pewter]

Thats odd. Maybe try that avatar emulator and see if something is getting stuck somewhere in your functions. Unity doesn't read vrchat scripts like the game does, so best way to troubleshoot would be to use the emulator and watch how all the layers are effected when changing vaules, then you can pinpoint the issue

Or the debug menu on the avatar in vrchat but the emulators easier

To use the emulator you put it on your avatar main object and then you can choose the FX layer to debug and watch everything react when changing functions, tahts how I fix all my issues with avatars

Some stuff can break with a simple exit time value being bad on a layer, so being able to visualize all the animator layers working is the best way to find issues

You could try an avatar parameter driver on the layer with the blend tree. This lets your animator layers change other parameters while doing their own execution

And I get that, but I just mean its the best way to debug things like this, you could always remove it after finding the issue if needed

no a parameter driver is a vrchat script you put on a animator state that will change a avatars parameter while doing whatever it was designed for. Like I could have a boolean again to change hair color and make it so that when I do that it also drives another boolean on the avatar that changes the hairstyle too for example

hahaha yeah if only

Avatars will keep getting more complex

We just gotta try to keep up with it haha

[dry panther]

oh well

[craggy pewter]

Yeah just like a hue shift

What is the animation animating? Is it animating settings on a script because I dont think thats possible. Keep in mind I haven't started useing physbones yet so im not sure what that stretch does or where it comes from

Ahh gotcha missed that sorry

Documentation says the parameter is "_Stretch" remember these are case sensitive and hard coded for vrchat to look for those case sensitive parameters, might just have to change those

It might work simply by renaming that to _Stretch

I dont see one for gravity though

And you renamed them on the animator parameters and also the avatars parameters?

Maybe the script values cannot be animated, even though vrchat literally has parameters for it

Do you have IsAnimated checked on the physbone script?

Well you do 100% need the case sensitive parameters which you changed back so first set those to the hard coded ones, and you probably also need that IsAnimated checked. Other than that I dont think im gonna be much help clearly. But I do recommend trying the emulator to find your issue if its been causing this much issues for you and if you've spent this much time on it

[cedar maple]

wait whaaatttt

then how the heck did the avatar in the avatar dynamics testing world do it

[crimson haven]

Is anyone else's contact receiver broken? might just be a me problem but it was working just fine awhile ago and now my parameter in the animation controller doesn't listen to the one on the receiver and they are labeled the exact same thing 😢

[cedar maple]

there was an avatar with a string of bones attached to its hand that were all adjustable through the menu

i'm confused why that would actually be a thing

well if its intended then i hope it can be changed in the future, but if its a bug then i hope it gets fixed XD

[remote ferry]

Its more or less possible yeah

I mean

I guess it depends on exactly what you want to do

[bronze siren]

https://github.com/naqtn/PhysBonesTK Fairly certain this is the repo for it

I'm currently trying to figure out the same thing

I'd really like to change gravity on one of my physbones through an animation

[cedar maple]

We would need a whole separate system to do that? That doesn't seem right or intuitive at all lol

[bronze siren]

I have no idea

I'm just digging through that persons repo trying to figure out how they did it

[cedar maple]

Well thank you for sharing I can check this out

Yeah if you figure out I'd love to know

Yeah it was in the beta

It was one of the first things I tested when the beta went live

[bronze siren]

it still works on current release though

[cedar maple]

Yeah the avatar still works

[bronze siren]

it's all happening through animations

[cedar maple]

Well that's to be expected

[wide nexus]

Hello, I tried to rig my avatar but none of the physics bone to be interactable. No matter what setting I do in vr and in unity. I am using ik2.0 beta

[cedar maple]

You mean like nobody can touch them?

[wide nexus]

yes

they can't even see it

[simple elk]

using any radius?

[simple elk]

0 radius

if there is none, its impossible to touch, shows up as white lines if you enable debug in vrchat

[wide nexus]

okay

thanks

[cedar maple]

heeeccccccck i hope not man

i need that option for a few things on my avatar lol

[gritty valley]

u get it fixed?

[iron tulip]

So my friends leaf, on his head, doesnt want to move. Why?

we've tried to mess with all the settings

and left it natural

it works with dynamic bones, just not phys

[bronze siren]

that's how it's reloading paramters :)

[crimson haven]

yes and no, but mainly no. For some reason the parameter doesn't want to change when the animation controller is not in the controller slot of the avatar. when I take it out, all the parameters that I created stop existing but for some reason it works perfectly fine when testing in game but it never wants to be published because of the "missing parameters".

[gritty valley]

what animation controller, the FX layer?

[bronze siren]

@cedar maple ^

so we can do it

but I'm guessing this means a bit more of a complex animation layer

That's probably what's happening in this animation layer

[crimson haven]

yea its in the fx layer but it stops when its not in the unity animator viewer controller slot.

[bronze siren]

'Apply trigger'

I'm guessing a parameter driver is just a parameter control you can do as a component

not sure

[gritty valley]

@crimson haven oh you put the same controller from your fx layer into the animator controller

[torn tendon]

So they say tails can be grabbable..
Would that mean other parts are grabbable 👀

I'm asking for a friend & it's an education related question is all.
for science

[crimson haven]

anything with a bone is grabbable pretty much

[wide nexus]

my breast is being grabbed yes

[gritty valley]

@crimson haven i have the problem where the animation plays but it only plays for like half of a second then stops and doesnt come back until i re-enter the receiver

but the receiver is on constant so idk why its doing that

[crimson haven]

do you have a transition condition to your empty state that says the parameter needs to be below 1 to go to it?

[cedar maple]

I feel like this is gonna be less "optimized" than if they just allowed us to do it in the first place lol

[bronze siren]

I think it's a limitation

[gritty valley]

i have it set up as theres the on and off animation with a true/false transition between them

true to on false to off

[bronze siren]

That prefab/repo is toggling on/off the physbone component every time a parameter changes through animation layers, probably because it's quite a lot more complex to have those settings be realtime

[cedar maple]

yeah i read it and it makes sense

its just weird to me

i wonder if it was an oversight or an actual limitation

[bronze siren]

a little of both if I had to guess tbh

[cedar maple]

cus this new bone system seems so amazing and optimized, i dont think having a little animation to change a property mid game would be that bad

it wasnt on dyn bones at least

[bronze siren]

dyn bones were single threaded

it gets more complicated communicating things between threads

the thread would need to listen for any changes to the physics properties, and then adapt

from a technical perspective, I could understand it, idk

[gritty valley]

it's a bool also @crimson haven

[bronze siren]

we can still do it, so

I could change the gravity of my tail whenever I get headpats

I'm happy tbh 😄

[cedar maple]

well the hecking phys bones positions arent even synced up properly as they are lol

friends and i were noticing a bunch of things were in different places over the last few days

😔

well this is mildly disappointing

i'm sure it'll all get better over time

i just keep encountering these things where "oh that didnt happen on dynamic bones" and such

makes me sadd

[torn tendon]

This is more a question about a concept than anything else, but would it be possible to make some sort of grappling hook with physbones? Like, the tip have a function that can attach to a world collider and then pull the rest of the avatar up somehow?

I'd just love if I could upgrade my clawshots...

[burnt kraken]

Anyone know world that have avatars with the new physics bone update I’m looking for some

[craggy warren]

Hay does anyone know how the angles for phys bones well? I’m trying to make a butterfly knife and I got 2 parts working but the main handle keeps acting like it’s weighted on ether the left or right side instead of being able to rotate to which side the knife is at. Could anyone help?

[zealous python]

can somebody help me? I want to make a avatar dynamics thing where you can push my nose and squish it- but like, have it be a proximity thing like that one example avatar where you can squish their head

[prisma current]

General question, how would you go about "resetting" a PhysBone? As in stopping it from being a PhysBone and having reset to the bone's default position

Even with 'Is Animated' enabled the bone seems to ignore the fact that it's being told to go to a certain angle with an animation

[lunar kraken]

@prisma current It's not possible to animate a physbone's settings, what I did was create two physbones, one will reset the position, just turn on immobilize to 1, and disable grab/pose, enable it when you want it to reset, disable the interactable one.

[ivory thicket]

How would i go on about turning off a physbone.
I have a breast plate and when i have that one i would like thy physbones to disable.
I tried using the Enabled property in the animation, but when using it in-game, i was running into some problems

[lunar kraken]

@ivory thicket That does work, seems like it wasn't actually disabled.

Disabling the object or the component works.

[ivory thicket]

the problem i was running into, the physbones got stuck in a position and stayed in it when they got disabled

[lunar kraken]

You can fix that with what I said above.

"It's not possible to animate a physbone's settings, what I did was create two physbones, one will reset the position, just turn on immobilize to 1, and disable grab/pose, enable it when you want it to reset, disable the interactable one. "

[ivory thicket]

shouldn't this just work and not need a fix? 🤔

[lunar kraken]

Tell that to the developers lol.

That's the workaround I use for now.

[ivory thicket]

ik ik, just saying lol

[harsh copper]

can we? I am trying to change the gravity of my bones with a radial but without continuously enabling and disabling the component it doesnt update.

and doing that completely ruins the look because the bones go back to their default position

[grizzled copper]

Just quick question,
Even Avatar Perf rank itself be "Quest Very Poor", and if PhysBone limit be within "Quest Poor",
Is PhysBone going to work in this case?

[steel thistle]

Yes it works

[grizzled copper]

ahh thank you for confirming. I'm questioning myself whole day. xD

[bronze siren]

that's the only way it's going to work sadly

[harsh copper]

thats absolutely awful

they need to allows us to update the parameters in real time

[bronze siren]

Personally I think it's just a limitation, sadly, but in the grand scheme of things we have quite a lot to play with now :3

[errant notch]

Why is everyone all of the sudden trying to edit settings in real time? Nobody did that with Dynamic Bones before

[harsh copper]

a lot of people did that lol

just no one complained because it actually worked

now all of the people that did it have no way of doing it anymore

[errant notch]

I've never seen anyone try it with DBones

Most people said it wasn't allowed

[harsh copper]

what?

it cant be "not allowed"

[errant notch]

Many people said it didn't work

[harsh copper]

well they are stupid?

because it worked just fine

[errant notch]

Well I mean... I'll leave that answer up to interpretation

[cedar maple]

https://vrchat.canny.io/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/phys-bones-cannot-be-animated-with-an-animation-in-game
@bronze siren @twin niche I dont have too high hopes of this happening but i made a canny post about the whole situation if you'd like to vote on it

[harsh copper]

cheers

[cedar maple]

i used that on my hair for changing length and for my avatars ears to change their amount of wobbliness when a shapekey changed them, and i had friends use that for other things too, i promise you its not new

[lunar kraken]

I'm having a weird issue with one project where none of the default collision tags are working (head, handl) The avatar colliders are fine.

[rough meteor]

hey quick question dose anyone know how to replace the default avatar contact senders with your own ones?

[lunar kraken]

Just add additional ones.

[rough meteor]

so is there no way to get rid of the default ones?

[lunar kraken]

You can disable the colliders.

[prisma current]

As in, duplicate the bone (and everything attached to it), and just toggle which set is visible? 'Cause I have no wiggle room for stuff like that before my avatar stops being 'Good'

[lunar kraken]

Yes unfortunately.

[harsh copper]

no you dont need to do this

or wait.

okay

if I am understanding what you want

than just disabling and enabling the component should work

[rough meteor]

nvm figured it out

[prisma current]

Any time I disable the component the PhysBone just freezes where it last was instead of re-centering

[cedar maple]

i mean were they not synced in dynamic bones?

[rustic oracle]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1181-gravity-does-not-change-with-animation
This one has it marked as Tracked. So maybe we will get something. From my testing all the on/off options on it like 'Allow Grabbing' work, everything else does not animate.

[cedar maple]

right right

that is the same issue

we'll just have to see

i'm just getting sad thinking about it now lol

[rustic oracle]

Maybe we get an option for it. Like you can mark those with bone transforms to mark those you animate settings.

[cedar maple]

cus if it never gets fixed then i'm gonna be going for years with a fucked up tail lol

[rustic oracle]

It's been only a few days. Give it some time.

[cedar maple]

yeyeye i know

these guys got tons of stuff they gotta prioritize XD i'm very well aware

thankfully now that they do own phys bones and can change it in any way, changes can actually happen which is awesome

[rustic oracle]

Though its good that there seem to be no major issues.

[harsh copper]

you see the problem with the VRC devs is that if an issue isnt fixed very quickly after being discovered, it will probably be in the game for a year before it gets fixed.

I dont want to sound mean, but I have observed this in this game way too many times

[prisma current]

What makes this issue worse is I managed to make this work before, I just 'optimized' the animations and now I don't know what I did to get it all to function anymore

And it still works on the full upload of the avatar, just not the local testing one

[harsh copper]

add colliders to the tails and assign the colliders of the opposite tail to the physbone script of a tail

[rustic oracle]

It's still the weekend. I assume we can guess more how it goes by wether or not things change in the coming week.

[harsh copper]

you can, but I think just 3 colliders over other bone should work

they dont need to be 100% accurate, just so they dont clip trough each other

[rustic oracle]

All we can do is upvote the issues on the canny for now. And yell at Tupper (which doesn't make things go faster, but it makes me feel better.).

[thorny isle]

poor cat

oh that a dog

[hearty kraken]

Hey there, is it possible to make "attachable" objects to other people with Avatar Dynamics? For example I place a shelf with hats and everyone can take and put it on their head (or leg?? xd)

[thorny isle]

I do not know how myself, but it is doable. I’ve seen people do similar in game, but have been told it’s pretty complicated.

[hearty kraken]

But Im talkin about avatar SDK, not a world one

[hearty kraken]

Yeah I've seen today something like that but it was attached to a whole capsule iirc
Still an option but still no idea how to do even that, only tricky-dumby ideas comes in my head 🤔

[agile bronze]

I'm sure this has been asked plenty of times - is there a way to make your head/foot/torso default colliders collide with other players like your hands can?

[simple elk]

nope, people would definatly never abuse that if it was possible

[twin niche]

This is what Peak Performance looks like /s
Medium ranked

works well enough, tho...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890773069055029289/967938098044489778/Unity_llvEB6ta0o.gif

[small radish]

I'm having a bit of trouble getting this animation to stop playing

[rain walrus]

with physbones, it seems that bone physics won’t work if the bones are too smol. does anyone no how big the bones have to be?

[small radish]

yeah the animation is freezing onto it idk
it continues to play even after it should stop
I feel like this is a pretty simple fix
some value I'm missing somewhere

[small radish]

did you put the root into the root area

they won't work at all if that's not there

[rain walrus]

i tested. Physbone only works if i increase the size of the bone. smol bones won’t work it seems

[small radish]

how small is your avatar lmao

[rain walrus]

not thattt smoll. 4 feet tall. the bones im trying to add phys to are rlly tiny tho bc it’s for a keychain charm on her

su it seems the only way I can fixy is by making the key chain bigger.. Which seems silly

[small radish]

lol

[rain walrus]

i hope devs fix

[simple elk]

bones thats 10mm or smaller have issues , or very close to others

[rain walrus]

yah. seems that’s it. dynamic bones worked fine thos. idk if i should w8 for devs to fix or just figure out something else

[simple elk]

Id merge, you gonna be waiting awhile

[rain walrus]

i would but it’s 3 chain links with 1 bone for each. merging wouldn’t work right. ill prolly just make it bigger

[simple elk]

Had one earlier with 15 bones on his tongue 🔨

[rain walrus]

i could see that making sense if it was a rlly looooong tongue lol 👅

[lean shale]

i have a thicc roxy with jiggle physics

[languid glade]

How do I make it where I can grab a sword in my back and it toggles on the sword and when I put it back in my back it toggles off?

[wise hinge]

I can tell you how your just going to have to give me a minute I asked that same question too, but it was in open beta and now a lot of things have changed

[languid glade]

alright take your time

[ancient holly]

thats a av3 question rather than dynamics

[wise hinge]

its using av3 dynamics

that is basically it, if you need help then respond @languid glade

[cedar maple]

So does anyone know how i can make it so when someone makes contact with my reciever, instead of it just playing one animation, it'll have a chance to pick a random animation?

i'm trying to figure out how to set it up but i'm starting to think it may not be possible, as the controller only plays one animation and will ignore the other two in my case

[thin latch]

how do i stop long hair from clipping through the torso? i gave the hair colliders but it still seems to clip through things

[cedar maple]

this is how i have it set up now (probably wrong but it works for one sound

[languid glade]

The value has numbers instead of a checkmark

[cedar maple]

did you put the collider on the torso and make sure you dragged that bone its connected to into your "colliders" tab in the bone component?

[languid glade]

nvm im not on the right sdk version

[thin latch]

i havent, am i supposed to add coliders specifically on the torso bones? i was expecting the colliders listed on the avatar descriptor here to automatically collide with the hair

[cedar maple]

ahhh i see what youre thinking

no, for you, you'd have to put a collider on your avatars chest/spine bones

[thin latch]

ohh okay, thank you!

[cedar maple]

ye good luck

[languid glade]

Where can I find the receiver?

[wise hinge]

add a game object them click "add component" then search for "Receiver"

[jade gust]

Have you tried other interruption sources on the transition?

Also, how do you get the contacts to actually trigger in unity?
My contactReceiver works ingame, and I created an empty GameObject with a ContactSender with a matching Collision Tag in unity, however unity is not recognising it at all

[languid glade]

The value thing in receiver is not showing up when I type my parameter

[thorny isle]

removed when they added bool and int support to contacts

there’s a canny to add value property back

it’s 0-1 int, 0.0-1.0 float, or false-true bool rn

[languid glade]

So how would it work? Do I just do (Parameter name) 1 or

@thorny isle ^

[velvet geyser]

hello , um can anyone help me out . when ever i have receiver on my nose that have dynamics, it don't move . do you guys have any idea how fix it?

[sudden urchin]

Do you have enough children bones under it to move?

[velvet geyser]

i still haven't figure out how children bones work or how it means.

[thorny isle]

add your parameter to your animator and that’s it

bool, int, or float

should just work from my understanding

[jade gust]

how do I test out contacts in unity directly?
The docs say that you can do it, but now how to do it.
My contact works in vrchat, but I don't want to have to get in vr everytime I make a change to it just to test it

[mellow shadow]

how do i make my hair have gravity to it without my model's hair laying flat?

[jade gust]

I think that's what the Gravity Falloff slider is for

[mellow shadow]

yea but that renders the gravity useless

[jade gust]

only in the default pos I think

check pinned message. There is a part in the video explaining gravity etc

[mellow shadow]

yea and im swinging the head around and it renders the gravity useless

yea i watched that video already but i'll double check

[summer jungle]

what do i do i know only have 2 parent objects with the vrcphysbone?

[jolly crane]

you should merge bones to reduce the total amount of phys bone transforms

[summer jungle]

how do i do that?

[jolly crane]

best way is using the CATS blender plugin

[summer jungle]

is there a way to do it in unity? (i dont like blender)

[jolly crane]

no, Unity is not a substitute for a 3D modeling program, it's a game engine

what you can do for now is reduce the amount of things you have phys bones on

and/or add some bones to the "Ignore transforms" list to stop them from having physics

[willow sand]

Guys are the excludes (ignore transforms) broken ingame ? Because even though it works in unity, my ingame armature is 100% fucked up and the head is dragging behind like it is animated by a phys bone

[jolly crane]

did you add a physbone component to any humanoid bone?

if so, don't

put them on empty gameobjects instead

or on non humanoid bones

for example, if your hair has a common root bone, put it on there

not on the head bone

[willow sand]

wow ok. that would mean a big amount of extra work ... because I have no hair parent. -___-
I will try it.

It should be possible to define a list of root transforms

Otherwise you are forced to use dozens of phys bone components - one for every hair bone

Also I have so many PB components then, I hit the limit and be very poor ... :(

[jolly crane]

then create a hair root bone

[pearl loom]

is it possible to make an object grabbable without having bones on it?

[clever echo]

(I'm experienced enough in unity for vrc, so don't go easy on me). I want to make something were if a hand touches the feet colliders, it triggers an animation I have. How do I even start?

[wary burrow]

You could just create an empty game object parented to the head and drag the roots of all your hair bones into that game object; don’t even have to touch blender

Though doing it that way is hella destructive

But it works :)

[rain walrus]

My avi is done and rddy for upload. all of my hair bone chains are connected to the head. can i add a bone after the head to connect the hair chains to then just replace the fbx in my unity project and everything is good? or will adding a new bone break the project?

[vestal hearth]

phys bone colliders dont seem to work at all

nvm im a stupid dumb idiot

[lament lintel]

Unity keeps showing this, imported the new SDK multiple times and reimported it

[cedar maple]

You need to put a receiver component on the foot with a parameter specified in the animation controller, and set it to have contact tags with hands or fingers. That way IF something with those tags (everyone's hands by default in this case) enters that area, that parameter will be set to 1 (on) so whatever in the animation controller uses that parameter looking for it to be set to ON, will activate

You can test that too, just put an empty game object in your scene, give it a sender component, and make sure it has the same contact tag (hands or fingers) and you can touch them in play mode (you do need to make sure your fx controller is plugged into your avatars animator component, same way as if you were recording an animation)

[jade gust]

this explains why it didn't work with GestureManager. Thanks a lot. Been asking on several discords with no answers for this :)

[clever echo]

Is the parameter just called Foot L or something?

[cedar maple]

oh

you can name that parameter whatever you'd like

that parameter is only for giving it a property in the controller

[clever echo]

Ohhh

Can I give both feet the same parameter?

[clever echo]

Thank you so much

[tacit stirrup]

anyone encountered a spazzing physbone chain and found out what it could be?
(not colliders btw)

[cedar maple]

i for example have a bell that makes noise when you hit it, set up much the same way, my parameters are named "Jingle", so when Sender touches Receiver, receiver has its parameter set to "jingle" which activates "jingle" in my controller, hence activating my animation

and i think so?

you can probably do that yeah

though if that doesnt work, you'd simply make a second set of parameters, layers, and sender/reciever

[cedar maple]

mine was happening i THINK because the first few bones had small radius, i made them bigger and they worked better, still jiggled a bit

i also turned "immobilize" to 0 and that got rid of it entirely (though it caused a slew of other problems for my use case)

[clever echo]

And it seems any phsybones are like recievers as well

[summer jungle]

is there a way to not have quest users not lag with the new bones?

other then just getting rid of them?

[snow marlin]

quest users dont really lag with the new bones?

they put low limits in it for this very reason

[tacit stirrup]

i tried, the chains work fine until i move the avatar in a little fast speed, the chain lifts upwards and starts twitching

so weird

[cedar maple]

yeah idk man i was having lotta issues too lol

took me two days to "fix" my avatars tail

[honest inlet]

is there going to be a fix for small dynamic bones not working when converting them to physbones?

[sudden urchin]

Low priority, won't be fixed for a while.
Just merge your bone chain down some.

[crimson mist]

How would i set up angle limits to stop my chest from moving when walking forward/backward?
I saw the freeze axis' option was removed since the beta

[neat yoke]

I have a timer that uses the VRC Avatar Parameter driver and sets the value from 0 to 4 then loops back if my high five physbone toggle is on.
I even plugged the int timer value into the expressions menu to sync up the chances of getting a "critical high five"
the video shows my friend slapping my hand and the values are desynced, as shown by him saying "crit" when I don't see one
why is this not working?

[onyx vapor]

Im having an issue where 2 particular bones will just not stretch no matter what Max Stretch value I assign them. They can be grabbed and rotated fine, but trying to stretch them has no affect. Are there any common reasons why this might happen that I could check for?
(other bones like my hair/tail are able to be stretched fine when i increase their max stretch number)

[thorny isle]

If they don’t have an endpoint or child, try setting Multi Child Type to First.

[onyx vapor]

Does not have an endpoint, it has an empty game object I added previously to make the DBs work correctly. I also tried adding an end position but that did not have any effect.
Changing teh Multi Child Type to First also did not allow it to be stretched

if i look at the scene view when i test grabbing it, i can see the collider get bigger as i try to stretch it - but thats it

ok so for context this is a tongue bone which is the direct child of a head bone (not the avatar head). If i add the phys bone to the head and set that as the root transform and then set an endpoint position - i can then grab and stretch the tongue

but this makes the while head get grabbed and rotated (although only the tongue is stretched).

[cedar maple]

common issues could be that the bones are physically small (known bug), or radius is 0

its a tongue tho so its probably small bone

[onyx vapor]

radius isnt 0, but it is a small bone

[cedar maple]

my tongue bone as well as many others are broken right now

[onyx vapor]

is there a unity-workaround ?

[rain walrus]

my bones won’t work if their length is under 17mm. I had to make those bones longer in blender

[onyx vapor]

hmm, alright ill assume my problem is due to this bug and move on for now xD thanks

[rain walrus]

yah i hope they fix soons

[ember zenith]

Hey is there any way to animate physbone scaling over an animation? I want to scale the collider radius

it doesn't seem to be working though

[hot relic]

hi i saw the one example avatar with the squishy head can adjust its vertical position without playspace mover, how can i add that function to my avi?

[craggy pewter]

Whys my avatar like following my head and wobbling??? Confusion

Idk ill add final ik to it and try that, maybe the locomotion fix by wetcat is bugged now

[blazing flint]

If i have an object with a single bone of it’s own on my avatar with weight set to max on every vert for it’s mesh and attach a static physbone with a parent constraint could that be picked up by myself and others as though it were a pickup object from world?

I would think so but not sure

[craggy pewter]

Yeah when I turn my head my whole avatars body moves..?? Anyone ran into this after setting physbones up?

[dry panther]

I made that one. Was not that great and the files are not compatible with the public SDK. It's a bone that get stretch and the parameter from it is use in a motion time animation state. Weird setup.

[hot relic]

ah ok, i just found gogo loco and joined ur discord

[torn tendon]

yo good job at ruining dynamic bones bruh none of my avatars bones work as they should now the hair sticks up a lil bit.

[rigid pasture]

is there a suggestion channel? because we REALLY need a setting to make it so OTHER people only CANT pose your dynamics.

unless theres a way to do it somehow with toggles?

i want to be able to pose my dynamics and not have other people grab them every 2 seconds

[peak sage]

Maybe you can check islocal and animate the property. I don't know if this will cause posing to desync or not though.

[torn tendon]

just report the vrchat moderators bro the ywant yo uto get raped bro

[errant carbon]

I did this with a toggle.

[pearl loom]

heya! so I have a boop receiver on my nose, but of course when your index finger leaves the receiver it cancels the animation and particle effect, how do let the animation finish even after the finger leaves the receiver?

[torn tendon]

Does anyone know how to get the physic bones to work on the live? I got them to work on beta but now they won't work.

I can't get them to animate in game where they move like before

[jolly crypt]

hey is it me or are the "on enter" contact triggers incredibly inconsistent for others

[cedar maple]

i believe if you set the receiver to "on entry" instead of "constant" it should be what you're looking for?

[pearl loom]

yes! that makes sense thanks!

[tough bane]

so is the quest jiggle bones a custom thing i have to install from VRC? or is it the ones from the store?

ping me if you know

[jolly crane]

it's literally just part of the SDK

use the latest avatars 3.0 SDK and add a Phys bone component the same way you would add any other component

[tough bane]

ah gotcha its an updated shk

[woeful tangle]

I am completely unable to opt into the open beta branch for quest 2 and it annoys me.

[jolly crane]

why would you need to? AD is live now

[woeful tangle]

Oh it's just part of the release version now?

Well that's why then. Thanks.

[fathom wagon]

Slight issue XD

https://i.imgur.com/kzhXJtM.png

Here is my phys bone on a hoodie string

it moves just fine

I have a chest collider

to avoid the bone entering my chest

it looks like this

[simple elk]

wheres your radius ?

0 wont do much

[fathom wagon]

https://i.imgur.com/BBcciTp.gif

[fathom wagon]

ah

i am sooth brain

set radius and still clipping

https://i.imgur.com/7VifZXq.gif

[steel thistle]

You sure that the strings didn't go to the side of body?

[fathom wagon]

My apologies

for my smoothness of brain

[fathom wagon]

Thank you for the literal change of perspective XD

[terse rose]

Wait why don't you just limit the movement towards the body?

[fathom wagon]

huh

well

that would

uh

be smart

now uh

[fathom wagon]

how?

[terse rose]

By using the limits tab?

[fathom wagon]

i mean

how so

currently im olnt familiar with angle limits

[terse rose]

angle should be fine

[fathom wagon]

as I used them with my hair

Pitch roll or yaw?

[terse rose]

idk move the values and see where the movement cone moves

[modern island]

Set the max angle to whatever value you want and then make the pitch the max angle but negative. So if you have a max angle of 45, you’d have a pitch of -45

You can very easily avoid colliders if you want to prevent clipping with PhysBones, which makes things look the same, and makes your avatars rank better as no colliders.

[hollow spear]

idk why, got 2 seperate physbones components, and 1 converted from dynamic bones, but still both of them dosnt have any grabbable bones..

[modern island]

Do they have a radius?

[fathom wagon]

yeah I like the new system

seems alot more fleshed out

and feature rich

im just a slow learner

[modern island]

It is a little strange at first, however once you get the hang of it, it’s quite nice.

[void skiff]

also the extra documentation for the new system is nice

[modern island]

It’s also nice for it to be as tightly knit into VRChat as it is

[hollow spear]

here are the settings, i see my coat moving around but its just not grabbable and i dont see any blue points ingame

[modern island]

Set a radius

No radius means there’s no way to grab it

[fathom wagon]

https://i.imgur.com/STynjMT.png

yes, yes it is

Ive discovered documentation and Ctrl+F are good pals to have when learning

[hollow spear]

u mean radius under collision?

[modern island]

Yes.

Don’t make the radius too large.

[hollow spear]

good?

[simple elk]

white line = ungrabable

[steel thistle]

Definitely too large

[void skiff]

you want the balls to be as close to the actual size of the thing you want to be grabbable as possible, within reason

obviously it's not possible to be super accurate unless the thing is spherical

[hollow spear]

imagine grabbing the whole armature and every part of your face

[void skiff]

lmao did you set the root as hips?

ah i see now

[hollow spear]

289 bones

[void skiff]

upload that then watch and laugh as your entire avatar is just a ragdoll

[hollow spear]

originally made this edit to use the character for animation purposes thats why so many bones

just having the script on drops my fps from 60 to like 5..

[fathom wagon]

Thank you very much for helping me sort the issue XD, the dynamic to PhysBone auto converter was a bit wonky for me/I needed to learn the new system eventually and it was quiet fun. The support channels are POG, keep up the good work ^-^

[hollow spear]

even with radius it doesnt show any grabbable bones..

[steel thistle]

What does it show?

[hollow spear]

npthing

[steel thistle]

Did you put Armature as a root bone as you shown before?

One physbones component can affect only up to 256 transforms. You said you had more than that number so physbone won't going to work for you

[hollow spear]

ah restrictions

[willow sand]

But it behaves completely different when tested in unity and tested in-game. It's just a plain bug

[steel thistle]

You don't want to put armature as root physbones in the first place

[hollow spear]

works fine if i selectcroot as normal

[sacred heath]

Wouldn't the colliders be reduntant if I have colissions on?

[snow spire]

Is the Contact Receiver Parameter always set too bool?
can it be set to Int or Float?

[crimson berry]

read the documentation .

[snow spire]

Uhh the thing is since I want it to be Int, is it ok to use the same Parameter on these?

[crimson berry]

yes you can use same parameter

[snow spire]

Ok

[simple elk]

av3 emulator updated so it can do int/bools now

was waiting for that so i can update the jukebox float mess

[sacred heath]

Is colliders ruduntant if I have Allow collision on?

aka if I have a physbone collider on the arm for example will it collide with everything that is set to allow collision?

[simple elk]

Still need em, those are for others to interact stuff with your av , if you need something on your av to collide, you need collider

[sacred heath]

I have colliders

I am just wondering if you have to specify colliders for all the physbones?

Or will they collide wiht all colliders if I set it to allow collision?

[noble tapir]

What exactly does "Local Only" do on the Contact Receiver?
It says "Limit this contact to work only on the local client"
Is this referring to the person in the avatar or just a person activating the contact in question?

Because I'm looking for a way to have an animation play on only my end when someone contacts a part of my avatar

[crimson berry]

only seen by you

other players wont see if it receives anything

[noble tapir]

Alrighty good, that's what I'm looking for then, thanks a mill ^^

[languid glade]

It doesnt. i tried my contact in vrchat and its not working

[void skiff]

do phys bones just automatically collide with the colliders built into the avatar descriptor, or do i need to define that manually somehow?

[pastel flame]

They do not. You will need to check the "Allow Collision" box and set a radius

[void skiff]

ah i see, i should have read the tooltip for allow collision more carefully.

[pastel flame]

All good. I also made that mistake lol

[void skiff]

it would be kinda nice to be able to allow your own colliders to interact with your bones locally, but not other players for specific bones.

[lyric mulch]

Hi

i have big issue

[small radish]

For some reason, when the animation was switched to constant instead of (not proximity, but the other option that I forgot) it did not work. I put it together and it works, but the blinking blendshape is used by onather animation so it doesn't close it's eyes

So rip

[lyric mulch]

i have sync issues with Senders and recivers! can someone help me?

[small radish]

Exit times

[lyric mulch]

it all set to 0 for me

[small radish]

Is it sounds?

Or just playing them

[lyric mulch]

They have sounds to

[small radish]

The sounds have to have like no silence at the start of them

[lyric mulch]

u mean start on awake?

[small radish]

No like the sound file, if there's a bit of silence before the actual sound it will play that too

So the sound will come in late

[lyric mulch]

No! its not problem with the sound

so, aam if i am equiping a weapon! they cant see it in my hand! but i can see it

[small radish]

So it works for you just fine no one else can see it though?

[lyric mulch]

Yea

i can show u what i mean if u want

[small radish]

Yeah get like a short video idk

[lyric mulch]

i need u in vrchat for that

[small radish]

You don't have obs or anything?

[lyric mulch]

No?

i dont even know what this is

[small radish]

Ok that's a very good video recording software

[lyric mulch]

Oww! BS

i have that

OBS

[simple elk]

screentogif , super small & easy

[lyric mulch]

It not the point if it works for me

[small radish]

Gifs are really hard to use to help identify problems

You can't pause them

[simple elk]

it has 'gif' in its name, but it does mp4 too

[small radish]

And you can't hear anything

[lyric mulch]

i mean i have only gun realted things

[small radish]

Ohh

Cool

That setup looks weird, so you just want to toggle on and off right

[lyric mulch]

Yea

(With the sound)

[small radish]

The rice equip box has it turned on right

Or the bottom left box

[lyric mulch]

rice equip box?

[small radish]

The bottom left one

RifleEquip

[lyric mulch]

Bascily it goes there if rifle is equiped

and stays on that state

only continues if rifle is unequiped

[small radish]

Does it start with the rifle off

[lyric mulch]

No

[small radish]

You don't need the RifleUnequip box at all it makes things slow

[lyric mulch]

Its fine

i like how it ges

goes

i wanna only know the sync issues

[small radish]

You want to start with the rifle off, so in the unity scene, you should toggle it off too. I think that's why only you can see it

The orange box is basically the same thing as the UnequipRifle box so you can put the transition to it going to to orange instead so there's only 2 boxes. It will probably get rid of the sync issue

[lyric mulch]

i mean it works

Only problem is sync issue

[simple elk]

0 delay? try 0.2~ , had synch issues with contacts when it was instant , also same as other person - you really dont need that first state

[bronze tree]

i cant seem to make my tongue move at all with the new phys bones, does anyone know why?

[simple elk]

they are tiny?

[bronze tree]

yea it is small

[simple elk]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1187-small-bones-no-longer-move-at-all-with-physbones

merge or hope for a fix

[bronze tree]

aaa okey thanks !!

[simple elk]

Can get this is too if i scale my av down to 0.6 of orginal size

[lyric mulch]

?

u mean exit time?

[simple elk]

transition

[lyric mulch]

let me test it now

it worked

[sacred heath]

Do you have to specify colliders for all the physbones?
Or will they collide wiht all colliders if I set it to allow collision?

[pastel flame]

You have to set a radius

[sacred heath]

I have done that

that is not my wuestion

If I make a collider will that collider the included for the option "allow collissions"

[silent lava]

since we cannot put physbones on humanoid bones. is the go to way to just create an empty gameobject under the humanoid bone and throw in the bones that need a root?

[pastel flame]

My misunderstanding. Physbones will only collide with contact senders and bone colliders.

They won't collide with each other unless one of those are used

They will also collide with the default body colliders as well

[quiet fog]

If the bone is the only bone in the chain then you need to set an end distance as unity can't tell where bones end unless a bone is attached to it's end

[lofty walrus]

@tropic thorn you previously asked me to post my avatar ID in the canny. Are you talking about the one unity provides when you upload? I thought that shouldn't be shared in public. Just looking for clarification - willing to provide anything I can to assist

[steel thistle]

You can create a replication avatar without any of your private asset, then use that avatar ID.

[sudden depot]

Anyone know how to fix a slight problem where when a quest user messes with my physbones like grabbing them, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't? Ears kinda of work, they don't follow their hand though and the tail never works correctly unless it's another PC user.

[lofty walrus]

isn't the avatar itself your private asset?

[steel thistle]

That pretty much depends on your decision

[lofty walrus]

Thats a nice catch22 lol

[steel thistle]

So if you create a new avatar, and the assets you put into your avatar are applicable to publication, it's your choice if you want the avatar itself to be public or not.

[thorny isle]

avatarid isnt really private, it shows on the website when viewing selected avatar and in the OSC json config

[lofty walrus]

This is true... it's very easy to rip. I'd rather not make it any easier though ;p

[thorny isle]

upload a dummy avatar specifically for the canny if you feel it makes your avatar vulnerable

[lofty walrus]

I'll most likely try to work on giving him the info on the side to pass onto the devs

[torn tendon]

Where do i access the physbones stuff in unity not seeing it anywhere.

[lofty walrus]

add components > search for "phys" - should pop up

[torn tendon]

All i see is "raycaster" with that. nothing about phys bones

[toxic dawn]

Do you need colliders for people to grab parts of ur avatar?

If so, how do I make the collider grabbable?

[torn tendon]

is there a new sdk?

[toxic dawn]

yes

[lofty walrus]

did you download the new sdk?

[toxic dawn]

yed

[lofty walrus]

then should be there -

[toxic dawn]

So if I were to put the physbone collider on like the end of a tail

do i just need to activate the grabbable feature

[torn tendon]

where do i get it? not seeing it on any of the sites

[toxic dawn]

then it should work?

[toxic dawn]

on the official vrchat site

type: Vrchat SDK

or smth

[lofty walrus]

log into vrchat.com and its under downloads

[torn tendon]

already did that its leading me back to this discord and the #open-beta-info Channel but there isnt a link that channel for a download

let me see

[lofty walrus]

all physbones are grabbable by default

so once you place it anywhere, it can be grabbed

[torn tendon]

Its only giving me the sdk3 option...?

[steel thistle]

It's a part of the sdk3 now

[lofty walrus]

you want this one

[steel thistle]

Also set collision radius too

[toxic dawn]

oki dokii thx

[torn tendon]

Thank you. I was under the impression it was a seperate file.

[toxic dawn]

ill test it out

[torn tendon]

Are we still using the 2019.4.31f1 unity project handler?

[toxic dawn]

ye

[torn tendon]

thanks :3

[toxic dawn]

I cant seem to grab the tail even if I added the phsybone collider?

[lofty walrus]

You mentioned adding it to the end bone before I think. Add it to the beginning - exlcude any other bones you dont want to use. Also, set the collision radius

[toxic dawn]

o

i think the collision might've been the problem

lemme test it out again

[torn tendon]

from what i saw there should be a cone that shows the limit of your moveablity. if its not showing a cone then its gonna be a static bone

[lofty walrus]

Thats part of the "limitations" drop down

they are off by default

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/physbones

[toxic dawn]

On average, for a tail, how much do people usually put for collision?

[torn tendon]

what he said. im about to get my hands on this. just going off educated guesses XD

[lofty walrus]

typically, the thickness of the tail/limb or whatever suits their purpose

[toxic dawn]

Under collision is there supposed to be a radius?

[torn tendon]

My friend usually put 3-5 bones in it. depending on the length.

[lofty walrus]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/physbones

[toxic dawn]

o, got it

thxxxx

[toxic dawn]

I cant seem to get the grabbing and pulling to work?

I added some colliders on the tail, turned on the grabbing and pulling, tested it in the play mode

they didnt seem to want to move

[torn tendon]

So, I have a Hair Root Transform where I placed a Phys Bone script, but it's not showing up at all neither working... could it be because of the way the avatar is made? I also tried to put the same script on each children of the Hair Root Transform, still same results... any idea?

could it be because of the way the script is being setup?

[simple elk]

Try end point

[gray talon]

Someone heard of the issue that A bone With a Endpoint Position bends towards the position of the Collider Defined under Colliders?

when activly changing the colliders it activly changes the direction of the bone pointing towards the position of the collider defined

[torn tendon]

So trying end point did show up the PBs however, they have no effect on the hair what so ever...

[dusty rapids]

are the phys bone colliders able to collide with the bones on other avatars or just yours?

[torn tendon]

Actually they seem to be moving a tiny bit with a lot of force, here is how the script look like see image below should I change a certain value in here?

[vestal hearth]

turn immobile most of the way down. turn spring way down until it’s lower then pull. turn pull up a bit.

[torn tendon]

Alright, at least it's moving right now with a normal amount of force, thanks!

[vestal hearth]

no problem

[opaque wasp]

I made this little sketch of what I feel is how all the different physbone values interact with the bone in advanced mode. Haven't verified any of this, but it's just guessing

[snow marlin]

very interesting showcase

even if it isnt like that it feels well explained, better than the docs at least lol

[inner notch]

@valid timber quick question, how many contacts does your keyboard prefab have?

[modern quest]

https://tenor.com/view/cho-ngau-eyeglasses-push-eyeglasses-gif-13860248

This diagram makes sense, I'm taking it.

[sinful badger]

is this actually the new menu? Or is this a glitch? Cause if this is the new menu istg..

[lofty walrus]

something doesnt look right there

[sinful badger]

Yeah thats what i was thinking

[valid timber]

I think it’s 60

[inner notch]

rad thanks for the response

[swift sentinel]

click

[lofty walrus]

do you have everyting expanded?

[sinful badger]

Yeah, but like I think its cause I reimported stuff cause poi wasnt working

I just wasnt sure

if they updated it

[limpid nymph]

I had that issue too, it was when I reinported the new SDK
I think reopening unity fixed it?

[mellow hawk]

I kinda wanna make a clean version of this diagram, Lol. It explains it really well.

[lofty walrus]

def re-import. I'm not seeing that edit option for your view

[snow marlin]

that thing is borked af lol

[sinful badger]

glad it wasnt an update LOL

[opaque wasp]

Might do one in TikZ/LaTeX

[mellow hawk]

Fair enough, do you mind if I take a crack at it in illustrator?

[opaque wasp]

Go ahead!

[mellow hawk]

[pearl hull]

What is the effect of the curve from Max Stretch?

[opaque wasp]

How much each bone can stretch independently

[pearl hull]

How can I edit this curve that for example the last bone doesnt get stretched at all? Because its like from 0.0 to 1.0

[pearl hull]

Or do u mean something else

[opaque wasp]

it multiplies the max stretch value

[cerulean agate]

I updated my Avatars 3.0 Emulator to fix some issues with physbone parameter type conversion and AAP/animated animator parameters. Available on Booth and Github:
https://lyuma.booth.pm/items/3480610
or
https://github.com/lyuma/Av3Emulator/releases

[snow marlin]

Amazing

[blazing flint]

So yesterday i added a single bone with full control of the mesh for a guitar fbx which then was added to my avatar within the VrLabs world constraint, using the guitar with a single physbone with pickup setup when dropping the constraint into the world space others were able to grab and manipulate the angle but it’s root was still anchored to the constraint that was dropped so not possible to move from this position. Is there some way to unparent the object from it’s constraint container on drop so the object can be freely moved around?

[proper venture]

where are the parameters for receivers set? I have a parameter in my FX layer, but my reciever object is giving an error that the parameter isn't found so I assume I have to set that up somewhere else?

[blazing flint]

Just thought of this, would it be possible to unfreeze the position on the parent constraint after dropping and unlocking the constraint?

Avatar Descriptor/Playable Layers/VRCParams

When defining a param that will be used in a menu you need to have it both in the animator controller and the vrcParams.

[proper venture]

weird, I have it set in the params menu too and I still get that error

[blazing flint]

It is case sensitive btw

[prisma current]

For anyone needing to do this in the future: if the PhysBone you're trying to freeze is just a single bone, it needs an extra bone at the end of it with any vertices assigned to it (in my case I just added an extra bone to the end and a assigned it a single floating vertex in Blender). Then I added its rotation (with arbitrary settings) to the animation alongside the main bone's rotation. Only then did the "Is Animated" option work for freezing the main bone in my situation

This workaround is of course only necessary if the bone you're trying to freeze is the only one being affected by the PhysBone component. Long chains (tails, ears, etc.) work out of the box

[proper venture]

nope, not a case issue

[wispy kiln]

Hello, for some reason, one my phys bone stay partially stuck in a position (no pose) after grabbing it, any idea why ? Also it become impossible to grab if max stretch is at 0

[gentle hazel]

I have an animation to extend my tongue and halfway through it enables the PhysBones script.
Problem is, that as soon as the Script gets enabled, the animation doesnt 'work' anymore.
The tongue just stops extending at whatever point the script got enabled at, and will also only retract once the script is disabled.
"Is Animated" is enabled, yes.
Ive played around with all settings within the script itself and nothing changed.
When i keep the Script off during the whole animation, the tongue extends perfectly fine.

Anyone got any ideas on a fix?
(ping pls)

[torn tendon]

Standard Colliders can collide with all PBs without by default right?

Is this too much for a collusion radius?

[snow marlin]

Nah

I'd make it a little shorter maybe

[wispy kiln]

Don't make the collider constant

make a decreasing curve so it follow the shape of the ears

[snow marlin]

Question: Any way to put the collider behind the phys bone?

[snow marlin]

Oh thats fancy, didnt notice you could curve the colliders

[lofty walrus]

Know of a diagram or video that would properly represent what curves look like in relations to the bone movement?

like "when the curve does this.... the bone does this"

[wispy kiln]

It just a multiplier, the vertical axis represent how the multiplier and the vertical axis the position, so the most left point is how much your value is gonna apply at the start and the right most is how it's gonna apply at the end. I don't know a video no.

[torn tendon]

?

[wispy kiln]

Use a curve on the radius

Click the C button

So you can do triangle shape like this

[lofty walrus]

Sorry, I'm a visual type. That doesn't help me in the slightest lol

[simple elk]

https://youtu.be/PTTnWUkswkU

[wispy kiln]

Oh, voila i guess

[torn tendon]

Is there already a tutorial on how to grab an item (from back for example) and put it back?

[vapid sapphire]

i have a chain that works completely fine until you try to grab it making it spazz out for some reason. anyone know why?

[opaque wasp]

What are your physbone settings?

[torn tendon]

do you know if there are any tools to help auto port the dynamics to physbones??

[simple elk]

Already is one in sdk?

[torn tendon]

i didnt see it

[simple elk]

when you try to build it will tell you auto convert

it does requires you have dynamic bones in project

[torn tendon]

oh i see

[opaque wasp]

Can you try without stiffness?

[vapid sapphire]

sure

[opaque wasp]

Back on dynamic bones, stiffness also sometimes caused issues with colliders, making them spazz out

It's better to lower momentum, increase pull and use limits instead

[vapid sapphire]

hmm. still spazzing out

[opaque wasp]

Does reducing grab movement help?

[vapid sapphire]

could not being able to see the radius settings area in the editor be part of the reason?

[opaque wasp]

Is it colliding with something while you grab it?

[vapid sapphire]

should not be as it does the same when turning off collissions

maybe its the bones idk

[vague lotus]

How do you see the dynamics on unity I don’t realy know how it shows you to see it move

[vague grotto]

press the play button at the top of your unity and move your avatar

[vague lotus]

Witch buton

I’m new to unity sry

[vague grotto]

[⏵] in the middle at the top

[vague lotus]

Oh ok

Thx

[ancient isle]

I'm having a problem with my nargacuga when an animation is supposed to push the tongue out. When phys bones are enabled on the tongue, the animation can not move the tongue to make it stick out. The translational movement in the animation is being ignored. "Is Animated" is enabled on the phys bone script.

Rotational animation is working on phys bones on the ears just fine. It's just translational movement that seems to be broken.

Comparing notes with others, this seems to be happening on many avatars that stick out their tongues. Some of them work and some of them do not. It seems like a bug, and it's unclear what exactly triggers it.

[grave rover]

yo, btw, i've seen a lot of people do this in their showcases for phys bones, how can you grab phys bones with your mouse while in unity?

[jovial copper]

Playmodus -> GameTab 🙂

[grave rover]

tysm! >:D

[red carbon]

hi! im intrested in knowing how to attach an object to another player, ive seen some examples but there is no public prefab or explanation on how its made, any ideas on how to do it?

[blazing flint]

You can also manually convert using the vrcsdk tool at the top there is an option in there, like without having to launch build to convert on build

[blazing flint]

I second this question

[torn tendon]

it just messed up the dynamics on one of my avatars so bad and i still cant get a good grasp on physbones just yet

[simple elk]

Autoconvert, then tweak them after, there some things you dont want - is animated / posable can also be annoying since everyone are gonna lock your stuff in place

[blazing flint]

Yeah there are some things between both that don’t line up when converting. You’ll want to adjust them yourself after converting

[torn tendon]

My issue is that the physbones are now part of a dress

[cedar maple]

Hey! Does anyone here have any general understanding of Avatar Parameter Drivers? I'm looking to randomize a parameter for something Avatar Dynamics related! The goal is to have the sender touch the receiver and make it play a random animation. Thank you~

[lament lintel]

So my stuff was working and I reimported the SDK since the full physbone settings weren't using and now errors like this are popping up "Assets/VRCSDK/SDK3A/Editor/PhysBoneMigration.cs(294,18): error CS1061: 'VRCPhysBone' does not contain a definition for 'freezeAxis' and no accessible extension method 'freezeAxis' accepting a first argument of type 'VRCPhysBone' could be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)"

[cedar maple]

i think thats fine

phys bone does not have freeze axis i think thats one you can ignore

[lament lintel]

it does though h

[torn tendon]

When doing Collision Tags (i.e. a nose collision check with someones finger)
Whats the rule of thumb for tags? Like how does that work? What is probably the best list of things i could put in as tags that would cover most possible interactions.

[torn tendon]

So far i have Hand, Finger, Index, and Foot.
Basically just trying to make it so that when someone touches my nose with an appendage it causes a dynamic interaction.

[lament lintel]

fixed it by deleting the dynamic bones stuff in the sdk and phys. one migration and etc

[torn tendon]

Yes! you do not want dynamic bones and phys bones in the same object. Learned that one the hard way.

[simple elk]

Wont break anything, if you have old pumkin it will complain

[lament lintel]

oof, not sure if my physbones are working anymore though, will have to check on VRC

wait, deleted all that then reimported the sdk for the physbones to work. unity is weird

[torn tendon]

okay i know this is unrelated to your topic beforehand but you legit just saved me ridiculous hours of work trying to figure out physbones

[zenith jetty]

Is it possible for particles to hit contacts if they have a layer with the same name?

[little owl]

no

[pastel token]

why not

[little owl]

because avatar dynamics physics is completely separate from unity physics

[pastel token]

but what if the partical components had senders and recievers on it

instead of relying on particle collisions and unity things

[little owl]

that's not how any of this works

[pastel token]

like i mean adding it onto the particle gameobject not the components. sorry my wording is wierd

[mellow hawk]

A cleaned-up version of the sketch.

[opaque wasp]

Ohh nice!

[opaque wasp]

Mind if I post on twitter? with credits of course c:

[mellow hawk]

For sure!

It was fun to get it to look as close as I could, lol

[snow marlin]

derection

[opaque wasp]

oof

[mellow hawk]

Ah typo's I do is spel good ;p

one sec

[torn tendon]

shpell

[craggy warren]

Hay is it possible to use dynamic bones like hinge joints and have their weighted side relative to the position to another object?

[mellow hawk]

Fix the typos lol

[pastel token]

there is a hinge option in the phybone component, you can change the angle it rotates or if it rotates on a certain axis. As for the postiton im not really sure what you mean by weighted side, but depending on what you want to accomplish I would look into rotation constraints, parent constraints, or aim constraints.

[craggy warren]

I posted a video of what I wanted to accomplish in avatar help. I can’t send it here for some reason. And what are aim constraints?

[candid ginkgo]

Got the 1-meter sniffer going. :v

[lament lintel]

All good lol, it really does work via trial and error and others doing it

[pastel token]

an aim constraint is basically just this item will face a thing. its how the two handed weapons are made.

[stoic quartz]

i want to grab my hat so i can stick it on others places but when i grab it it will rotate and not follow my hand . what can i do to fix it?

[pastel token]

i just watched your video and i believe you would have to rig it a certain way. like have a grab bone which has no weighting on the mesh>handle weighted to handel>blade 1 and 2 after that.

if you created a bone going to the left maybe recheck to see if its parented to the main grab bone

[fading otter]

Say, anyone know how a bow and arrow would work for ad

[simple elk]

String will, arrow would be particle if you want it to travel

[pure jackal]

What are some decent starting values for a whip using physbones?

[craggy warren]

I think that’s what I’m doing, since the parent order is the main handle, blade then second handle. I tried adding a horizontal bone to it so it can spin but then there’s the issue it only spins while one side is weight instead of the blade or other handle deciding the weighted side which is what I’m trying to figure out. Do you think it’s possible?

[clever echo]

I've tried and it still is not working for me. The parmeter I used is called feet. The tags are the hands

[lone geyser]

Is there a way to grab physbones within unity like if grabbing them ingame?