avatar-help

[pine valley]

these are textures

(images, essentially)

"mask" textures are often several different things packed together

e.g. the red channel is how metallic the material should be

whilst the alpha channel stores smoothness

this will be shader-dependent

was this model intended to be used in VRChat?

that would give some hints

[mellow halo]

so they are basically textures packed together with different options?

[mellow halo]

yes

its a pack of clothes for several avatars. Im using it for manuka rn

[pine valley]

a material tells you:

• which shader to execute
• which textures to give to the shader
  • (and numbers, and other stuff like that)

so, that's a reasonable way to think about a material, yes

you're seeing the "missing" text because there was a material asset assigned

but it doesn't exist in the project

[mellow halo]

thats weird. maybe I should contact the creator?

the weird thing is that some things do have materials pre-assigned but most parts dont.

[mellow halo]

wait I might be stupid. I just looked at the purchase folder on booth and saw that there is a seperate Materials Folder between all the other outfits. I imported it and the textures automatically applied to the parts. GG

[somber sequoia]

oh awesome

[mellow halo]

I have never seen that. Idk why half of the textures are in a seperate folder but im glad it works now

[somber sequoia]

the main model I use comes with like 8 packages or something ridiculous like that

[mellow halo]

thats insane. that would have broken me

[junior crag]

anyone have a great tutorial on making a physbone that allowws me to push the glasses up and down?

[grizzled rose]

Im havin a kinda weird issue, where in unity the orgin isnt at the feet, but in blender it is? theres no other object selected that exports with it either

[arctic ginkgo]

try pressing Z or change from 'center' to 'pivot'

this dropdown right under the scene tab

[grizzled rose]

OH thank you

[gentle pewter]

i forgot how to add a seat to a model can someone tell me?

[somber sequoia]

you want to add a VRC_Station: https://creators.vrchat.com/worlds/components/vrc_station

[gentle pewter]

thanks

[turbid cedar]

having this with a lot of avis :(

[somber sequoia]

poiyomi discord might be more help, but I'd probably remove then reinstall the poiyomi package

[turbid cedar]

mkk!

[somber sequoia]

looks like version incompatibilities somehow

[turbid cedar]

yeah poiyomi has had quite a few updates ima try an older version

changed the poiyomi and her textures broke..

[somber sequoia]

you'll have to look at the material in the inspector, this image ^ is not informative

[turbid cedar]

all mats are like this

they have errors idk what they are

[somber sequoia]

Expand those and click the "unlock shader" button for each

If that's not there, choose a different shader from that dropdown

this ^ can happen if you swap the poiyomi package while the shader is locked, or delete the locked shader files for some reason. I get this when moving between two computers

[turbid cedar]

mk so js pick a new shader?

[somber sequoia]

the one you have selected is broken, so yes.

[turbid cedar]

mk

[mental cairn]

Can someone help me with this?

[balmy barn]

909k , lots of work in blender or stop adding things to it in unity

[mental cairn]

How do I fix😣

[somber sequoia]

remodel

or remove a lot of parts

[mental cairn]

Thank you!

[soft ingot]

guys for some reason my unity isnt letting me download the android build tool

[somber sequoia]

does it just not have the option listed in unity hub?

[soft ingot]

no

[spare sparrow]

Would anyone know what could be the cause of this? VRC SDK is saying i have 350MB of textures when in reality i got a little above 40

[somber sequoia]

okay so this is probably because you installed unity as a standalone package. If you go into hub, then click "installs", then "install editor" and then in the "archive" tab there's a link to "download archive" - you should be able to grab the android package separately.
If you use linux like I do, those links are broken, the linux packages are mac ones. I have a solution there too.

Which is - you remove that unity editor install, then you reinstall it from the package available at that same "download archive" link, then you can choose the android option.

[soft ingot]

oh

i will try that rn

[somber sequoia]

don't trust that viewer, the build window is probably right.

[soft ingot]

i use window so do i just follow this?

[somber sequoia]

Yeah - this will work for any OS, it's just that the standalone packages for the add ons don't exist for Linux, so you can't do it that way

[soft ingot]

okay

[spare sparrow]

i deleted all the meta files for everything reimport and recompress again and now its showing as correct so it probably just somehow decided to use the original versions of the textures

[soft ingot]

so i did it and this is what it shows in my unity

[somber sequoia]

that's fine - that alert doesn't apply to us, and VRChat has already patched it on the servers.

[soft ingot]

it doesnt say android tho

[pine valley]

you might have had crunch compression enabled for the textures here

"uncompressed size" refers to the size of your assets before the entire asset bundle is compressed

crunch compression significantly shrinks the on-disk size of your textures (but doesn't affect VRAM usage)

[jade aspen]

someone with some unity knowledge that can help me in privat? i try to make a spank to work (so it gets red and sound) but the one i have is a prefab for other models. and i want make it work with mine. text me if you can help me 😄

[grizzled yew]

Having some trouble with the viseme behavior of an avatar I'm working on, if anyone wouldn't mind helping ^^;
It was modelled with the mouth open, and I was under the impression that the "sil" viseme (which I've created to close the mouth) would ensure that when there's silence, the avatar's mouth would be closed. However, in practice this does not seem to be working, causing the mouth to be stuck in the t-pose position when not speaking. The sil viseme is otherwise functional as I currently have it plugged into some viseme slots that aren't finished, so it's not anything wrong with the viseme itself. The jaw bone is not mapped in Unity, either.
I notice a lot of avatars have their mouths modelled closed, which probably fixes this issue by default, but that's not an option at this point. Is there any other way to ensure the mouth stays closed when there's no speech?

[somber sequoia]

If you go into Blender you may be able to just apply the Sil blendshape to the Basis one. Otherwise that's interesting - usually the blendshapes all use the silent shape as their base

[elder topaz]

how do I apply the poiyomi shader?

[arctic ginkgo]

I would be careful with this, since you could break the other blendshapes. What I'd probably do is after applying the Sil shapekey to Basis, go through every shapekey that affects the mouth and apply the Sil shapekey with Add enabled and the weight set to -1. This should reset them so they look as they did before. Make sure you do this step to the Sil shapekey itself LAST.

[somber sequoia]

select it from the dropdown at the top of your material

[somber sequoia]

yeah - totally agree with this - it might work cleanly, but also may not with your avatar

[arctic ginkgo]

you can apply a shapekey to another by selecting the shapekey while in edit mode, then going to Vertex > Blend from Shape. The dialogue box in the bottom left should have the options to change the applied shapekey, whether it's in add mode or not, and the weight of the blending.

[elder topaz]

so for example "L_UpperLeg" I would select "translate to poiyomi toon"?

[arctic ginkgo]

shift+cmd+U is just my personal shortcut since I use it so much 😅

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what L_UpperLeg is here?

seems like a bone

[somber sequoia]

what's cmd on not-mac?

[elder topaz]

so do I select body?

[arctic ginkgo]

it's the OS key, but a lot of Mac shortcuts use cmd as a stand-in for ctrl as well

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you are doing here - that dropdown is at the top of the inspector when you select a material

[somber sequoia]

what's this shortcut do then?

[arctic ginkgo]

it's the shortcut I set in blender for Blend from Shape

[somber sequoia]

ahhhhh

[elder topaz]

ah

[somber sequoia]

I usually get it from just doing alt+v to get the vertex menu

[grizzled yew]

I was hoping I wouldn't have to change the base mesh at all and rather do something through Unity itself, since changing the base mesh at all would offset it from the face rig it has just enough to be annoying in use.
To clarify, it's a model I made from scratch. The blendshapes were all made working off of the t-pose (mouth slightly open) and they honestly look great. It's just that when there's no speech, VRC isn't using the sil viseme at all so the mouth is a bit open. It's not wide open so I think it would still blend fine if I could get it to use it correctly.

[somber sequoia]

yeah - personally I'd go rework that in Blender.

[arctic ginkgo]

If you want a Unity solution, you could always animate the blendshapes yourself using the Viseme parameter

[somber sequoia]

True

[arctic ginkgo]

It's a good option for stylized avatars

for example, having instant transitions between visemes

[grizzled yew]

What's the purpose of the sil viseme if it isn't actually using it for the purpose of silence?

[arctic ginkgo]

Honestly I'm not sure..

[somber sequoia]

I thought it did, seems odd that you're finding it doesn't

[pine monolith]

how I created avatars I already downloaded Unity and CC I wanted create vision human or anime version

[somber sequoia]

are you looking for a tutorial, or documentation, or.... what?

[pine monolith]

defend how you create it you know custom

also this my first creation avatar or world

[somber sequoia]

Are you using a translator?

[pine monolith]

no

[somber sequoia]

ok - not sure what you mean by "defend" then

[elder topaz]

what shaders are good ootb with vroid avatars?

cuz poiyomi just doesn't work ;-;

[somber sequoia]

if you don't mean for mobile, then whichever you like best. Poiyomi and Liltoon are popular choices that are very good

I personally usually use Poiyomi for avatars.

(it works fine)

[pine monolith]

download VR chat mods

[elder topaz]

I see. cuz poiyomi makes it look broken

[somber sequoia]

what mods?

[somber sequoia]

you may have to play with the settings to achieve the look you want, often the default settings won't be what you think looks best

[pine monolith]

vrc.mod

[elder topaz]

figured

[elder topaz]

vrchat is a live service game...

what is there to mod?

[somber sequoia]

it would help if you would explain what you want in a full sentence. Mods are not allowed on vrchat right now. What is it that you're after?

[grizzled yew]

That's what's stumping me lol
It seemed straight-forward until I actually tried it.
You can see the issue here, the "teeth slightly grit" is the avatar's t-pose that it sits on when I'm not speaking. https://i.gyazo.com/0816ccc0a46a77ae52cfc6d21189909d.mp4

thank you for not embedding, discord

[somber sequoia]

if you just upload a .mp4 it'll embed

(I watched anyway)

[grizzled yew]

yeah I'm allergic to uploading stuff directly when I can avoid it

"Sil" should be this

[elder topaz]

cuz it literally breaks some parts of the avatar to use the shader

[pine monolith]

I apologize but what I'm trying to say is that I've been watching a lot of video and I download SDK avatar and World And Creator Companion and Unity but don't know

idk how to make avatar in Unity humanity this is my first time and I know what I need to download

[somber sequoia]

Okay - that's basically all you need for software. Probably now a tutorial.

[elder topaz]

so is it just a known thing that shaders break vroid avatars?

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what that means unless you show or explain so... okay? Works fine for me. Adjust for your own uses. Maybe try Liltoon if you want

no

I mean, what does "break" mean

[elder topaz]

this is before

just need to load unity again

[elder topaz]

this is after applying the shader

[somber sequoia]

what are we looking at

like, what about this is "broken"

[elder topaz]

all the textures are messed up ;-;. don't you see it?

[somber sequoia]

Yes - I think I see but I want you to say exactly what about this you consider broken, so we aren't confused here.

[elder topaz]

well, in this case I mean that all the textures are broken

[somber sequoia]

ah yes, "broken" is so descriptive.

[elder topaz]

they go from clean in the first image to whatever the second image is supposed to be ;-;. idk how else to describe it here

[somber sequoia]

Anyway, probably it's due to you not selecting a shading mode which supports transparency, VRoid makes a lot of use of that.

[elder topaz]

where do I select that shading mode?

[somber sequoia]

Poi docs are great:
https://www.poiyomi.com/general/render-preset

I did misspeak though, shading mode is a different section.

(default is toon, probably that's what you want for vroid)

[elder topaz]

and im guessing that'll fix the eyebrows/eyelashs too?

[somber sequoia]

Oh so you do have specific things you think are "broken" 🙂

(yes, it probably will)

[elder topaz]

well it's better. the cape is still broken ;-;

[somber sequoia]

Looks like the cape was designed to have the shader render backfaces. Set culling off: https://www.poiyomi.com/rendering/#cull
Note that this decreases rendering performance.

[elder topaz]

ah

[somber sequoia]

That's also not "broken" 🙂

[elder topaz]

so my cape is partially back now

the red part is still lissing

[ebon dirge]

Why am I getting this error message? My avatars rig is humanoid and all the bones are assigned correctly

[somber sequoia]

Do you have an error in the SDK build window that says it's not humanoid?

[elder topaz]

ya know what? I'm just gonna stick with the default shader until I can pay someone to help me out with it

[ebon dirge]

I got this warning/error message

[somber sequoia]

Yep, says right there it's not humanoid, so something is wrong with that.

[ebon dirge]

But the animation type says humanoid and all the bones are correct, so what could be causing this?

[somber sequoia]

just 'cause it says humanoid, doesn't mean it actually is. It's hard to say from the pics I've seen so far.

[drowsy flicker]

Can some help me I’m trying to make a png avatar for quest and I’m just stuck it always a black background or it being to transparent

[timber wharf]

@drowsy flicker here we go again. by vrc devs design there no proper transparency on quest. you should cutout a polygonal model of your png in blender

[somber sequoia]

ah I see this has been discussed before

[drowsy flicker]

Ok I’ll try this out

[ebon dirge]

All the bones are specified correctly though, all of them are in the right place. I don’t know what could be causing this

[somber sequoia]

you could try setting it to generic, then apply, then back to humanoid and apply and then see what that changes

(make backups, etc.)

[ebon dirge]

Never mind I figured it out, the animator for the avatar didn’t have the avatar in it, thank you so much for your help!

[somber sequoia]

ah! I always forget to check that because I've never actually had it happen to me

Good catch

[echo loom]

Okay so, im having a problem with getting these fur boots im putting on my avatar to stay on the legs when I move. Bc when I move they also move instead of staying attached. So how do I get them to stay attached when I move my body.

[somber sequoia]

are you doing this in unity or blender?

[echo loom]

Unity

[somber sequoia]

are they rigged for your avatar model already?

is it just a model, or a prefab using something like vrcfury?

[echo loom]

No but they fit on her though it’s not that they aren’t stay in place it’s just when I walk they like walk as well but move off my legs

[somber sequoia]

ok so how are you attaching them?

[echo loom]

Uhh I don’t understand what u mean by this

[somber sequoia]

is the object you are dragging into the scene a .fbx file or something else?

[echo loom]

I put them in place like on each foot and then I put the shoe on her actual foot bone in the Hierarchy

[somber sequoia]

such as a prefab with vrcfury or modular components on them

[echo loom]

I thought that would work but i guess now

[somber sequoia]

oh fascinating, very old-school

[echo loom]

Not*

[echo loom]

😭😭

[somber sequoia]

You might try using VRCFury's armature link instead

but if they aren't specifically built for this model, you may end up back in Blender making them fit and also move right

[echo loom]

It’s a fbx

[echo loom]

No I would have to add comments too them wich I tried doing to get them to also stay but it didint work (could be me doing smth wrong)

Okay thank you for ur help!

[valid vine]

I took a model into blender. It had two hand models with it. I turned the second model into a blendshape for the first model. The main is hand open and the second is fist. But whenever I hold a fist in vrchat, the lighting is bugged. When the fingers curl under the hand, it’s still lit up as if it’s opened.

Does anyone know how to fix this? (Also sorry if this was confusing to understand)

I should send photos. I’ll do it after dishes

[somber sequoia]

yeah a picture might help

[wise spear]

i cant use play mode cause of these errors 🥀

[somber sequoia]

no, those are warnings, the errors are red ones. Usually look at the first 2-3.

[wise spear]

i mean these are the first couple

theres 51

[somber sequoia]

I'd remove _PoiyomiShaders from your assets and install a new package via VCC/Alcom

[wise spear]

alright

[versed marsh]

does anyone know how i can change scaling on my avatar?

whenever i do collider work they are MASSIVE

this is at a radius of 1

[somber sequoia]

That's because the model was exported from Blender with "Apply Scalings" not set to "FBX All".

[versed marsh]

when i do fbx all the model contorts so i cant export it like that

[somber sequoia]

Yes you can, you just have to deal with the contorting part by redoing the rig setup

[versed marsh]

errr let me see then haha

[somber sequoia]

or export a new model and copy stuff over to it

[valid vine]

The fingers are lit up as if the hand is still opened

[wise spear]

thanks 🔥

[somber sequoia]

excellent

[versed marsh]

So,

[somber sequoia]

I don't really pay much attention to how unity does lighting, by default the scene is kinda awful. Hai's Lightbox Viewer might give you a more realistic idea of how it'll look in game.
Beyond that... shader settings maybe? Looks toony, I don't really do toon stuff so don't have much to suggest.

[valid vine]

It’s standard lite. It looks the same in vrchat

[somber sequoia]

by "redo" I meant set it to generic and apply, then setup humanoid from scratch. Usually works for me.

[valid vine]

Every shader is doing it

[somber sequoia]

yeah I never use that shader. Did you say these were different mesh objects?

[valid vine]

They were originally. I wet to object data properties in blender and turned the second one into a blendshape for the first one

I think it was the shape keys special drop-down menu that allowed me to do it

[somber sequoia]

yep, makes sense

[lyric dawn]

Hey! I hope this is the right place, but I need some help. A friend of mine is having issues with dragging and dropping files.

"I got a new pc and redownloaded vcc and now it’s saying all the folders and stuff don’t exist and all that"

And here's a video

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[versed marsh]

how do i setup humanoid from scratch?

when i change to generic then back to humanoid its still broken

qwq

when i go to config it looks fine

[somber sequoia]

Looks right - if you apply from there is it good now?

[versed marsh]

nahuh XD

Still looks like abstract art

[somber sequoia]

what if you drag a new copy of the avatar into the scene, is that one fine?

[versed marsh]

The new one looks fine

if i drag the fbx of her in atleast

[somber sequoia]

ok then use Pumkin's tools to copy stuff over to it

sometimes it's what you have to do

[versed marsh]

buhh

okay let me try that ^^

[late wharf]

Anyone know how to attach a item to a avatar correctly lol

[somber sequoia]

depends on what it is and what you want it to do

[versed marsh]

also uh

how do i use pumpkin tools

XD

ive never really touched it

[late wharf]

bubble gum

Just gotta attach it so it stays in place

[somber sequoia]

not really what I meant

[late wharf]

Oh?

[somber sequoia]

you could simply drop it onto a bone. Or you could use constraints to stick it someplace, like if you want to reposition it later.

[somber sequoia]

or use one of the VRCFury components

[versed marsh]

would this be right?

[somber sequoia]

I haven't used this in over a year, but "copy components" I'm assuming

[late wharf]

Uh so what if I wanted to attach a hat to a avatar

[somber sequoia]

drop it on the head bone, or maybe use parent constraints to stick it there, or maybe one of the VRCFury components...

[late wharf]

VRCFury components how do I use that?

[versed marsh]

it only copied over some physbones

and some colliders

no materials or anyting else

[somber sequoia]

it has documentation and a discord server

[late wharf]

Oh ok thank you

[drowsy flicker]

Ok I knife it but now the file doesn’t want to work on unity ?

[versed marsh]

@somber sequoia Colliders are still massive on the updated one

[somber sequoia]

was your scaling weird in blender or something?

it should be 1,1,1

[somber sequoia]

no, not in the export window

[somber sequoia]

that, good.

[versed marsh]

a bit confused on why its still huge

;w;

[somber sequoia]

same

[versed marsh]

maybe i export as a new fbx?

[somber sequoia]

yeah that might be a good way to do this. do the rig setup on that and drag it into the scene, see if it looks fine

[versed marsh]

lemme try that

nvm

XD

Yeah im not really sure

could it be a unity setting?

[somber sequoia]

none I'm aware of, usually this is an issue with the model

[versed marsh]

alright well

thanks for the help :3

[drowsy flicker]

Ok I got it but does anyone know how to fix the view of the eyes

[wide jasper]

have anyone know how to fix this ?

[warm berry]

Is this a me issue? It was working like 10 mins ago

the vcc not working

[unkempt canopy]

so for my hair toggles currently I swap between different materials and they are all the same colour. is it possible to have the colour selected by a different radial menu and then based on that decide the colours for my different hair materials in a seperate radial menu?

[wise spear]

how would i replicate the glow like this but in vrc, emission doesnt work like it does in ror2, at least in unity it doesnt

im using polyomi shaders for the vrc one

[arctic ginkgo]

this looks like a bloom, which is a world post-processing effect, not an avatar shader effect

[wise spear]

ah alright

[wise spear]

is there any way i could set the emission strength higher than 20

ig lighting works differently in the camera

[teal laurel]

Upload thw avatar with the viewpoint being set correctly in the avatar descriptor

[leaden summit]

how do i move an ear indavistially without it strching ive somhow done it once]

[ornate stump]

If the ear base weight painted to head bone, the base is going to stick to head bone and stretch when moving ear bone away.

[leaden summit]

thank you how do i fix that?

[ornate stump]

Do you know how to use blender?

[leaden summit]

oh god a little

[ornate stump]

Then make new bones for ear base and weight paint to it, and remove head bone weight.

[leaden summit]

ok ill maybe try that thank you!

[winter plover]

uhh so my avis clothes disappear in MMD worlds. im using Poi Toon

[mint badge]

i need some help with poyomi
im have a hat with a detail texture and i have a decal inside the shader and im trying to have my decal not have the details
im trying to do it with global masks like "apply to global mask" on the decal and then subtracting on the details
but even if i try diff modes just nothing happends rly
do i forget some small toggle or smt?
or does it just not work like that

[balmy barn]

those stations will disable first 3 layers in your fx, do not have any toggles there like outfits, we still rely on a hacky way to set tracking still on them

[gentle iris]

trying to add a weapon to my avatar but i need 29 slots for parameters, is there a way to increase the maximum amount?

[junior void]

You can try VRC fury parameter compressor

[gentle iris]

tried, got a error msg

[junior void]

Yes, you don't need to add the compressor component, just need any vrcf component on and it'll apply compressor automatically

If that still doesn't work you'll have to either delete some or make a copy avatar that has the weapon but not something else

[gentle iris]

so just any vrcfury component on the base?

[junior void]

Well read what it says

[gentle iris]

just double checking

[junior void]

Blend shape optimizer is always a good choice

[gentle iris]

thats the one i added

the parameters is still 248 out of 256

any other way i could get more parameters?

[ornate stump]

No. Other than removing or unsync.

[gentle iris]

ah ok

[winter plover]

yea but i fixed this issue before but forgot how

[ornate stump]

Just don't have anything that could be disabled on FX layer 2nd and 3rd layer.

[winter plover]

idk what that means ngl..

[ornate stump]

Have you ever take a look in your avatar FX layer?

[winter plover]

no

[ornate stump]

Well, you should at least know your own avatar.

[winter plover]

true.

[ornate stump]

No brainer solution is, if you're using vrcfury or MA, you could just add MMD compatibility component to your avatar.

[winter plover]

oo ok

[gentle iris]

got the weapon working

[jade aspen]

i would need some help adding stuff on my vrchat model.. dm me if you can help~

[unreal juniper]

Why not ask in here then?

[timber sentinel]

Can someone please help me

[ornate stump]

Someone might if you explained what help you need.

[timber sentinel]

It’s making an avatar for me

[ornate stump]

So, "help" as in you need some guidance, or having people to do the job for you?

[timber sentinel]

Yes

[ornate stump]

Why would you answer yes when it should be either those?

[timber sentinel]

Having someone do the job

For me

[ornate stump]

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[ornate stump]

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[loud arrow]

so i am needing help with some togges i want to make a toggles only work/show when another one is active

[unreal juniper]

Can't you just add both bits to the same toggle?

[loud arrow]

no because i want to be able to take the armor on and off but keep the attachments when turned back on

[unreal juniper]

Is "animated clone standard" the attachments you mean? Or you mean the Pauldron?

[loud arrow]

the clone standard is the armor while the kama and pauldron is attachments

[unreal juniper]

Trying to make sure I understand haha I have an armor set too that the helmet has a "visor on" mode that saves between uses. That's the sort of thing you mean?

[loud arrow]

i think so yea its easier to do this type of things with textures but i need to hide and show models this time

[unreal juniper]

You could just set the Kama and Pauldrons to their own toggle (together for ease if they're never going to be on separately), and if they're within the Armor set in the hierarchy, their toggles shouldnt display the Kama/Pauldrons without the Armor being also enabled at the same time

I can't get screenshots of how my helmet is set up at the moment (I'm at work) but you might just be overthinking it. You don't need a flipbook or whatever you got going on there; just a separate toggle for the bits plus a "saved between worlds" status on them

[loud arrow]

the flip book was just for less clutter and i can try but rn the hierarchy is like this

[unreal juniper]

Oh hmm that's a bit more complex 🤔 I wonder if you (backup first) can unpack the prefab and move the Kama and Pauldrons beneath the base part

[loud arrow]

i can try

[loud arrow]

ok so i remade the model and that idea you had worked

thx

[unreal juniper]

Hurray!! You're welcome!!

[limpid cargo]

hi, when setting my avatar’s viewpoint, it’s sat directly between the eyes in unity. upon testing on desktop, the viewpoint is about 0.5m above my avatar’s head. i haven’t tested in vr yet.

if it has anything to do with it, im using VRBASE heeled, which means the foot bone is floating above the ground. BUT, i applied transforms, so i thought this wouldn’t affect anything?

[somber sequoia]

you want the avatar standing on the ground when it is positioned at 0,0,0

[limpid cargo]

so, should i move the avatar to 0,0,0 in blender and re export? or is it fine to reposition it in unity, even though that would mean the object is technically not at 0,0,0 anymore upon upload?

[somber sequoia]

Move it in Blender, apply all transforms, re-export, deal with the position move in Unity

[limpid cargo]

got it, thanks so much c:

[sturdy blaze]

can anyone help me with mouth, eye and body rigs

im new to making vrchat avatars and so far i got the propt of my avatar ready, but idk how to make bones and all that

[ornate stump]

You could look for blender tutorial on modeling and rigging. The basics are mostly the same.

[sturdy blaze]

i dont wanna mess anything up so thats why im kinda worried

[ornate stump]

Messing up is an essential part of learning.

[lament mulch]

Hello,

I have an issue for upload my avatar, can someone help me for that ?

[ornate stump]

?tag upload

[flat musk]

No tag upload found.

[lament mulch]

i did not put tags

[ornate stump]

Actually here https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/360062658813-Why-can-t-I-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

[lament mulch]

okay, but i'm Trusted so 🤨

[sturdy blaze]

would this be consittered a mouth cause idk if i am doing this right

[ornate stump]

In that case, it's just a temporary issue communicating with server. Try again in a few hours.

[lament mulch]

okay, thank you

[ornate stump]

Have you take a look in some modeling tutorial video?

[sturdy blaze]

yes i have

but i have troubles with making mouthes

[ornate stump]

If you only sculpted it, it isn't going to work well.

[lament mulch]

the problem was : i was i play mode -__-

[sturdy blaze]

oh

[ornate stump]

Sculpting is only good for when designing the model.

[sturdy blaze]

wait, can this work?

i saw videos where people did something like this

[ornate stump]

"Work well" is the keyword. That means work but the result may not look good.

[sturdy blaze]

im willing to try

🙂

[ornate stump]

Ok continue.

[ornate stump]

Does the video continue to the point of rigging and finishing with the model though?

[sturdy blaze]

yea

ill try and look at more videos

[drowsy flicker]

Why is it when I knife someing it always makes a cut in between it

[proven quail]

Click enter to end the cut

[somber sequoia]

I strongly suggest your mesh being symmetrical at this stage, it'll make a lot of things easier on you.

[final eagle]

Does anyone know how to do ft shit? I have an avi and the ft is weird it like works, but sometimes the mouth barely moves. Turning gestures on fixes it but then moving my hands I end up doing tons of random faces and sometimes my mouth opens really wide. Is there something in the ft settings I can mess with or anyone know what’s up?

Haven’t had this issue on other ft avis

[somber sequoia]

there's a whole discord for FT, if you don't find answers here, link on https://docs.vrcft.io/

[gentle iris]

i got these 2 weapons followed the guide to add them but when i toggle one the other toggles on aswell

[final eagle]

OOH I didnt kn ow that, thank you 🙂

[somber sequoia]

I hope it helps!

[ripe stream]

it doesnt work lmao

like my unity just wont open i tried dging it

😭

[charred latch]

why is it when i wanna upload a darn avatar i sit here for 15+ minutes

like that exact thing

i just sit and wait for more than 15 minutes

whatever the buildplayerdatagenerator thing is

[gentle iris]

anyone know how to fix the issue?

[charred latch]

its making me wanna blow my pc up

[somber sequoia]

you'd have to look at the variables used in those toggles, it could be they use the same one. If so, you'll have to edit one prefab to change that

[gentle iris]

by variables do you mean the layers and parameters?

[somber sequoia]

I mean the avatar parameters and animator variables

[wooden granite]

hey, I'm here with question how to make or find VRCAvatar Descriptioner becouse I can't find it and I't impossible for me to upload avatar to game

even I'm following their tutorial

@golden pilot ?

[somber sequoia]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/creating-your-first-avatar#step-5---adding-an-avatar-descriptor

[wooden granite]

thanks

maybe I'll not end up swearing by doing that upload as swedish guy on concert in poland

[somber sequoia]

oh, swearing is part of the process

[mellow halo]

Hey, does anyone know how I can disable or toggle hand gestures for my avatar? Everytime i move my fingers ingame it changes the facial expression and there is no option ingame to disable it for that character

[wooden granite]

the swearing in this situation is primary defence of human being to prevent from any violation of equipment

[somber sequoia]

there's an in-game toggle, in the radial menu.
Or for the avatar, find the animation layers (probably in FX) which run the expressions, and set its weight to 0

[somber sequoia]

haha yes

[limpid cargo]

hey so i:

• repositioned the avatar in blender
• applied transform and overwrote the fbx in unity
• repositioned added prefabs to match new height
• moved the viewpoint down to new height

and now in game the viewpoint has gone down into her chest. did i do something wrong here?

[somber sequoia]

you will have to reposition the viewpoint if you rework the avatar position

[limpid cargo]

i did that, i repositioned it to the height after her feet are now on the 0,0,0 point

[somber sequoia]

but beyond that I couldn't tell you what's going on from just this description, sorry

[limpid cargo]

what should i send a screenshot of?

[mellow halo]

I only have options to set them manually but no option to disable the conection to the hands in the radial menu. I will look if i find the animation layers. thanks

[modern fractal]

anyone know what ragatha this is?

[somber sequoia]

no, I didn't mean the avatar's radial menu, the game has one in there somewhere

[somber sequoia]

#1138520828556890214

[somber sequoia]

I'm not entirely sure, haven't encountered this myself

[somber sequoia]

hmm though does the game one disable the hands too? I think it does

[mellow halo]

huh? where? how? am i missunderstanding something?

[charred latch]

hey so does having an antivirus on prevent my avatars for being uploaded?

[somber sequoia]

In the game in the radial menu somewhere not in the part that is the avatar menus is an option to disable gestures. I can't remember exactly where and don't have the game running

[mellow halo]

this one?

[somber sequoia]

that's the one

[mellow halo]

thank you so much. i was so stressed out about that

[somber sequoia]

I think that actually disables the hands too though, I haven't used it in forever

[limpid cargo]

if it helps, heres how low the viewport is in game, the feet at 0,0,0, and the viewport ball in order

[mellow halo]

im fine with that (for now)

thank you

[somber sequoia]

"the feet at 0,0,0" but you have "center" selected rather than "pivot", so that's showing the center of the object instead of its origin/pivot point. The center won't be at 0,0,0

[limpid cargo]

right so set the pivot point to the feet?

[somber sequoia]

I meant that at the top of the "scene" view you have "center" chosen as the selection point. if you select "pivot" it should show the location as 0,0,0

[limpid cargo]

oh shit they are still floating

okay then, thank you

[somber sequoia]

ah, that might be part of why

[limpid cargo]

i realised after checking the pivot point that it wasnt actually at the floor

thank you

[charred latch]

no one got an answer?

i just end up looking at this text for ages when uploading

and its extemely annoying

[somber sequoia]

not me, I don't use antivirus

[bright lion]

What are dmca reports? All my favorite avatars are gone and I'm seeing people saying its because of DMCA

[limpid cargo]

someone files a compaint that the person is using their copyrighted work/content

vrchat is required to immediately take it down in that case

[somber sequoia]

It's possible the avatars you used were published in violation of the original artist's copyright

[limpid cargo]

so, im facing another issue now, i set the pivot/origin properly, and in blender transforms are completely applied, when i overwrite the fbx, the change isnt honored and the pivot point isnt being updated

[bright lion]

They're original though, so why are creators like lived and falling rain getting removed

[limpid cargo]

visuals if it helps

[somber sequoia]

obviously we can't answer these questions here

[bright lion]

huh?

nvm

[somber sequoia]

I mean most people in here are not privy to those decisions inside VRChat

[bright lion]

True

[gentle iris]

couldnt figure out variables so i gave up and deleted the weapon

[limpid cargo]

so real

[gentle iris]

the creator made so many cool weapons but by the looks of it can only have 1 on the avatar

[somber sequoia]

weird they would use the same parameter name for those

[limpid cargo]

i ended up moving the armature object down in unity as a workaround, but does anyone have any idea if that will cause issues with fbt or animations in the future?

[gentle iris]

the creator even gave the models the same names being (Hide Unhide Base) which i think is causing issues too

[somber sequoia]

Nope, those names won't, since they're at a different place in the hierarchy.

[gentle iris]

so it would have to be the toggle being done by animation?

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea how this works, having never seen any part of it. Just guessing it probably has a VRCFury prefab, and somewhere in there (full controller?) is where it sets up the avatar parameters, and the global checkbox is enabled, but probably does not need to be.

[gentle iris]

the models dont seem to have vrcfury

[somber sequoia]

oh, then you'll have to figure out how the animations and parameters on those work

[gentle iris]

imma do the option that wont drive me more insane

[ebon dirge]

Is there a reason why every time I upload my avatar to VRChat it uses a viseme blend shape as the default face for the avatar instead of the basis? Even when it’s exported out of unity with the basis selected and looks normal in unity in play mode with all blend shape weights set to 0?

[somber sequoia]

It should be using one called sil, which is generally a duplicate of basis. it stands for "silent"

[ebon dirge]

OHHH I thought that was for the transition from s to l when talking! Thank you so much!

[somber sequoia]

np!

btw, the reference sheet for those is here:
https://developers.meta.com/horizon/documentation/unity/audio-ovrlipsync-viseme-reference/

[alpine ingot]

So i want to toggle this thingy here.. do i need to prepare something in blender so it can be toggled on and off without issues or does that all happen in unity?

[somber sequoia]

Is it a separate mesh object? Or just part of an existing mesh?

[alpine ingot]

This is currently in blender, i plan to join all meshes together before Exporting to unity. Do i need to keep it as seperate meshes?

[somber sequoia]

no, just getting a feel for what you've got. You could make a shape key that shrinks it to nothing.

You could use UV tile discard, if you also use shaders in Unity that support that.

[alpine ingot]

I´m unsure how to even do the second one, does the first option have any downsides?

[timber wharf]

@alpine ingot separate mesh creates an extra mesh renderer so not great perf

[somber sequoia]

if the mesh is moved by bones, you should shrink it to match up with the bone, if there's a few it could get kinda weird, you may have to try it. Or perhaps disable a physbone when you shrink down the mesh so it's not weird.

for UV tile discarding, this is a good primer: https://www.poiyomi.com/special-fx/uv-tile-discard

[timber wharf]

@alpine ingot you want to toggle large or exclusive (one at a time) meshes with lots of polys ie the whole outfits. for relatively lowpoly like your little thingie ye, just have a bone to shrink it down or uv tile discard tho its harder to setup. dont blendshape shrink, perf is worse than via a bone

[alpine ingot]

ok so what now

Do i now just shrink it down or what do i do

[somber sequoia]

I wouldn't expect that performance to be very significant these days, got any numbers?

[timber wharf]

@somber sequoia were during 2022 transition, dont have at hand. its better than 2019 but still dozens of times worse afaik

[somber sequoia]

(to be clear, not saying you are wrong, just curious if there's actual data on this)

yeah far better than 2019, I knew that part

[timber wharf]

it was some git link iirc

[somber sequoia]

k

[timber wharf]

does it have physbones/its own rigging for this thing already?

[alpine ingot]

This is blender

so it has nothing

[timber wharf]

well are you planning to

[alpine ingot]

It does should have physbones

[timber wharf]

looks very physbonable to me

then rig it for physbones and when you dont need it, in unity ie via animation, disable physbone+scale base to 0, thats your toggle

[alpine ingot]

Its already rigged

[timber wharf]

in blender make sure that scaling its root to 0 actually makes it go away

[alpine ingot]

how do i do that? Just have a shapekey with it shrinking?

[timber wharf]

im talking bones, not blenshapes

scale the bone to 0

[alpine ingot]

but then how do i use the bone normally?

[timber wharf]

scale it to 1

🤷‍♂️

when 0, should be invisible, when 1 should be normal

ofc keep it at 1

then animate it via unity

[alpine ingot]

Yeah but, i make it going from 1 to 0 part of a shape key, right?

Otherwise iam confused on how to use it

[timber wharf]

bones are not animated by shapekeys

[alpine ingot]

But the size of the bones can be part of a animation?

in unity

[timber wharf]

sure

not humanoid ones mind you

but thats not a humanoid bone

[alpine ingot]

is that what you are saying i should do? Make it 0 size in blender, when exported in unity i make it a animation where i can set the value from 0 to 1

[timber wharf]

@alpine ingot keep it 1 in blender

temporarily scale to 0 to see if its actually gone ie no rigging problem

then revert

otherwise yes

[timber wharf]

in unity

[alpine ingot]

how do i.. do something with the bones?.. or am i confusing armature with bones? Because then i got no clue where to find them

[somber sequoia]

armatures contain bones

[alpine ingot]

Then how do i only select specific bones? Because it just selects all when i click

[somber sequoia]

like your body, the armature is the skeleton and the bones are your bones

[somber sequoia]

You have to edit or pose the armature to be able to work with individual bones

[timber wharf]

start with selecting an armature,not mesh

[somber sequoia]

Also you'll have to weight paint this object to said bones if you want them to do anything to it

[timber wharf]

then going to edit mode for armature, not mesh

tho wait

not edit

that one just moves bones without mesh

pose mode

that one makes mesh react to bones movement

[alpine ingot]

Well i did already use the Model for trying my first attempt at a Avi, it had physbones too.. however when i look at this it appears it has not much weightpaint?

[timber wharf]

you see one bone at a time

find vertex groups in right-bottom panel, thats a list of bones and scroll though it

[alpine ingot]

right, i forgot that theres smth with that

[timber wharf]

so you probly checking atm how much feet affects the ribbons, which is not much

[alpine ingot]

oh yeah

it has weightpaint

[somber sequoia]

yeah weight paint is per-bone

[alpine ingot]

to make sure

this is now, totally gone. yeah?

atleast i see nothing

which means no rigging problem

[timber wharf]

well hard to say

if it was there before scaling then yes

now undo and proceed

[alpine ingot]

well this is it as scaling 1.. so i assume it worked

So this all was just confirmation that the rigging was good

The actual disappear into nothing part is in unity, right?

[timber wharf]

yes

[slate jackal]

what does this mean and how do I fix it?
Package does not contain valid import settings for: Packages/com.vrchat.base/ShaderLibrary/VRCTime.cginc

[alpine ingot]

I´m trying to already kinda prepare the avi for quest. Problem is that this transparency thing here with the eye has the vertices connected... how can i stop them from making up a face? because the space between there will just be black with the movile shaders

[somber sequoia]

hard to tell with all the black, but if you want the non-black section to have no mesh, you'll have to cut it out somehow. the knife tool is a popular choice here, even if not my preference.

[alpine ingot]

Main problem is that i cant cut these here out with a knife, thats why

well without deleting the black parts that are supposed to stay

[somber sequoia]

again, can't tell what the geo looks like with all the black all over it, so it's not clear why there's an edge there

maybe just a pic where you highlight the mesh so we can see the geometry?

[alpine ingot]

this?

[somber sequoia]

no, I mean in edit mode so we can see the actual geometry, rather than just an outline

[alpine ingot]

this is the edit mode

sorry

i just got that

[somber sequoia]

That!

[alpine ingot]

here

[somber sequoia]

ok so I'd just select that edge and delete it

[alpine ingot]

i cant select the edge though, it just select one of the two verices

[somber sequoia]

are you in edge-select mode?

(2 is the hotkey)

[alpine ingot]

well

thats a handy mode

[somber sequoia]

see also face-select mode

[alpine ingot]

i see i see

3

yeah thats quite useful

worked btw

[somber sequoia]

excellent

[ripe prairie]

how do you make a Clothing preset that toggles multiple Clothes at once?

[unreal juniper]

Fury or manual toggles?

For fury just keep adding "turn on x object" lines within the same toggle

[ripe prairie]

oh ok thx

[soft thistle]

my video here explains the 2d visemes not affecting the mouths on different expressions

[left gull]

quickest fix i can think of would be having your mouth and eyes on seperate texture sheets

[soft thistle]

fyi, the mouth textures i use are based on spritesheets

[subtle atlas]

Is it possible to make a vrcfury toggle that activates other toggles?

[austere dome]

Why would an avatar's animations look fine in preview-mode but incorrect in simulate mode for Gesture Manager?
Seems the feet get posed, even though I'm using animation mode properly (?)

[final eagle]

is there a simple way to make the face tracking a bit more sensitive? it works fine but the mouth barely moves unless im super eggagerated with my lips

[slate jackal]

what does this mean and how do I fix it?
Package does not contain valid import settings for: Packages/com.vrchat.base/ShaderLibrary/VRCTime.cginc

[elder nova]

Okay so I’ve been trying to upload this avatar for I don’t even know how long and i just cant figure it out so can someone give me a hand and just upload it for me. I’ll provide files and my login info.

[vagrant dock]

not sure how to fix this, been fideling in shaders but idk

[uncut skiff]

Sure

[ripe kelp]

I'm having this same issue, minus the unsupported shaders. It won't let me log in. I can "log in" but it's a lie, the content manager doesn't load anything and switching platforms logs me out again. It worked fine yesterday 🤔
The only new thing I can think of is that it's not asking me for the confirmation code it usually does when I log in?
Did you figure it out?

[civic cliff]

i just took a prefab of the avi i was working on, put it in a new project, and that worked

[dire linden]

hi so im dumb and have never done this before someone please help me 😭

[gritty marsh]

Hey could anyone possibly help me get my model ready to use? I also couldn't find a cats addon that worked so I feel like I've been set back 😭 ( The model is done I just need to get it through unity so I can use it elsewhere)

[jaunty shuttle]

Does the MMD world reset the avatar body blend shape to its default upload state by default, even there is animation on the fx layer continuously writing to those blend shapes?

[wanton cedar]

You need developer cat's addon with an earlier version of blender. I think nothing past 3.6

[gritty marsh]

ah I see
I made my model pretty much fully in 3.6.22
Would I have to remake my entire model from scratch?
Or can I download a past version of blender with the cats addon?

[wanton cedar]

You should have no issue loading the project in an earlier version of blender. I'd say try and download the dev Cats addon first to see if that fixes things, if it still wont work, try going to an earlier one. Personally I use 3.4

Yeah I was correct.

[gritty marsh]

Bet I will try it out!
Thankyou so much also!
Would it be alright to reply to you again if any odd problem pops up?

[wanton cedar]

Yes, that would be fine, and you're welcome. Hope it works out.

[celest fjord]

Could anyone help me figure out how to fix an issue I'm having with an avatar I'm making? My avatar is a character with a sort of flat head and they don't have a moveable jaw so the mouth isn't supposed to go past the bottom of the character's head. But the problem is that when the shapekeys for the expressions and the Visemes mix, they cause the mouth to clip outside of the head..if that makes sense, this is kinda hard to explain with words -_-. (I drew this picture to demonstrate what I mean since I don't have screenshots)

[obtuse trail]

Blendshapes are additive so that issue is normal. It also happens if you alter the shape of the eyelids and also have blink shapes.

Either disable visemes when doing the expression or edit it so that it mixes with the visimes

[celest fjord]

But, when toggling on an expression in VRchat while speaking, won't it look strange?

[somber sequoia]

Sometimes, yep

[celest fjord]

Is there a way to fix that or do I just have to deal with it 😭

[somber sequoia]

there's no magic fix

[celest fjord]

Man😔 alright, thanks for letting me know, have a good night

[obtuse trail]

I have this helmet with a visor. I know I can make a contact somewhere near the helmet to open or close it when my hand goes through.

Is there a way to make it look more like "pulling" the visor up or down?

[lilac musk]

Weight it to a bone and make that bone a hinged physbone that's grababble. That way you can pull it and pose it in place

[obtuse trail]

thats all?

[slow sandal]

is 18k triangles for a full character a good amount?

[obtuse trail]

Its decent if you are into optimized avatars and want to meet the performance rank limits. Is this for PC or Quest?

[slow sandal]

both, good perfomance on pc and medium in quest

low poly isn't my style

[obtuse trail]

medium in Quest is under 15k, so it would be Poor (15k - 20k)

[slow sandal]

welp

decimate it is

[obtuse trail]

or retopo?

[slow sandal]

I already did retopo

I dont wanna retopo the retopo

[obtuse trail]

decimate is gonna kill that nice topology 😭

[slow sandal]

I mean it's 17k triangles rn

if I we're to decimate very lightly it wouldn't take that much away

[slow sandal]

also this is kinda confusing

is it from 15k-20k considered medium and beyond 20k poor, or 15k+ considered poor

[ornate stump]

For the rating is "up to" those numbers.

Think about it, if 7.5k-10k is consider Excellent, then what about less than 7.5k?

[sick loom]

It’s 7,500 and below for excellent, 10,000 and below for good, 15,000 and below for medium, 20,000 and below for poor. that is the ceiling for each performance rank.

[lunar orchid]

How would i go about making an object that can be held with either hand or in set positions (like on the hip) and be dropped in the world

[ornate stump]

You need constraint component on the object, and assign sources to the position transform as many as you like, then you animate the source weight in constraint to move to any location.

[lunar orchid]

Are there any good tutorials that also include world dropping?

[ornate stump]

I don't know about tutorial. You just need the fundamental knowledge and apply.

[lunar orchid]

Is there anyone else that can help?

[ornate stump]

You could ask specific question right here in this channel.

Unless you meant help as in you need coaching personally or having someone to do all the work.

[lunar orchid]

Just someone who would be able to explain or send over a tutorial for this

[ornate stump]

I have already explained the idea.

Then you have to either ask a deeper question or go to do some research on the topic I pointed out.

[sick loom]

it seems pretty complex, been trying to figure out how to get props working manually for a while

[balmy barn]

add 2 gameobjects somewhere on our avatar, add object you want to move - add constraint on that one and the 2 gameobjects as sources, a = 1 b = 0 , switch to other ? a = 0 b = 1 , object with constraint now move beeen the gameobjects , do it a few times you'll figure it out

world drop just toggle ' freeze to world ' on the object you moving

(physics and contacts/senders bit more setup)

[lunar orchid]

Thank you

[lyric wing]

I am unable to update my avatar because Builder is unresponsice

[gaunt knoll]

Click on the first tab then click builder again

[gaunt knoll]

It's an issue with with the newer sdks

[gaunt knoll]

Huh strange what version of the sdk are you on

[lyric wing]

3.9.0

[gaunt knoll]

update to the newest one 3.9.0 has issues with it

[glass solar]

hey so I want to have a smooth animation transition for this model but some of the limbs instantly snap instead of smoothly transition

here's what i have

[balmy barn]

try exit time = 1 , you are likely skipping to next before its played animation fully

[glass solar]

uh

[lyric wing]

updating to the newest version did not fix the issue

[balmy barn]

use some parameter , trigger animation no transit duration it just slows it down , how i did it with my dancepad/jukebox to play entire animation before ending

that vid show one with just 1 exit time + one that has transition duration and lesser exit time

[wooden granite]

Btw about that VRCAvatar Descriptioner again, of There's Two Models of same avatar but not in one file, then i have to choose both of them with other Mandatory files or not?

[ornate stump]

You would only have to add descriptor to only the model you want to upload. Your question is still unclear why there were 2 models for it.

[wooden granite]

from that i saw they have diff textures of hairs and other stuff, so prob these both have some half of clothes and stuff and they're into one. but I just downloaded for Free from [REDACTED WEBSITE NAME] yesterday and they came out in Unity like that

[ornate stump]

That website hosts pirated assets so better not using it.

[wooden granite]

then what websites i can kinda use?

becouse like one have trojans

second pirated models

and others higher risk of second time hacked account

[ornate stump]

Jinxxy, VRCArena, Boothplorer

[wooden granite]

okie

[wooden granite]

Well ■■■■, all they have are payed ones. and worse for $ is between 3-4 and for € 4-5, so ye no other optiosn

[ornate stump]

You know that they all has free filter?

[wooden granite]

well even i checked their websited before and now they don't have any good looking ones for free to me

[ornate stump]

Price dictates quality.

[wooden granite]

ye, for me these prices kinda kill me from inside from Valut diffrence

commisions cost like 2 times more

[left gull]

id remove the website name in ur message as that breaks the #rules the chatbot is supposed to flag that

[ornate stump]

You would need either:

1. Money : to buy model or hire people to make it for you
2. Skill : to make avatar yourself
3. Friends : who is supportive enough to help you
4. Time : for learning to get skill
   If you have neither of those, like what you're doing with your life.

[wooden granite]

well here's the catch

none of them i have kinda ¯_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯

[left gull]

learning to create your own is pretty easy nowadays just takes a bit of time

theres tons of tutorials and docs to look into

[wooden granite]

depends if your device can hold and i know it's not possible for mine to hold blender soo much

[ornate stump]

Time to change your life plan then.

[wooden granite]

yep

[left gull]

well then you're kinda SOL till you find a solution to one of those options

nobody here supports or will help you with pirated content

[wooden granite]

ik and i'm trying to not use any priated content or whatever wont gave me same thing as i had with sum else before

and here we are

another victim of same virus i had

at least i had my account back

[gritty marsh]

I just downloaded the 3.4 version along with cats (Its working with cats just fine I think!)
However I tried importing my model from 3.6 to 3.4 and now idek what its doing..
Its added new bones, became see through?? and its messed up the textures..

Should I be importing/exporting it differently?

[somber sequoia]

why downgrade? there's cats for 5.x

assuming you actually need cats at all

[round comet]

Also probably your export settings. If you’d prefer to stay with 3.4 don’t export with leaf bones

Leaf bones are what cause all those extra bones

[somber sequoia]

as for the see through and textures stuff, a version change is unlikely to cause that, but lots of things could, it's hard to guess from here

[gritty marsh]

If there is a version that works for 3.6.22 I would be more than happy to use it
Every cats addon I've tried just hasn't worked at all with it so far

All I know is that the addon helps make everything I'm trying to do a lot easier but I wouldn't mind a few extra steps without it

[somber sequoia]

I don't know about that very specific blender version, but the last cats I saw published claimed to work with up to and including 5.x

[gritty marsh]

oh bet! Let me see if I had leaf bones included on my export rq ty!

[somber sequoia]

Are you working with MMD/Vroid models or something?

or making visemes from scratch? If not, there's nothing in cats you actually need.

[gritty marsh]

I made my model all in blender so nothing from Vroid if thats what you mean
I'm trying to make a vtuber avatar!
I have different shape keys dedicated to different face models for expressions

I'm not sure if that changes anything so I'm mentioning it just incase hah
(This is what it looks like in the 3.4 version and this is what its suposed to look like)

[somber sequoia]

ok, not sure what you'd be using cats for here

[gritty marsh]

I'm not entirely sure either
Thats just what I've been told through youtube videos ngl

[somber sequoia]

it's too bad the original creator of cats didn't like, put ads in it or something, there are so many people who got convinced it was absolutely required for using blender with vrchat models.

[gritty marsh]

fair
What exactly is it intended for?
All I hear is that it makes it all easier
But thats it
No specifications at all

[somber sequoia]

Have you not looked at the help docs for it? Interesting.

[gritty marsh]

No I've just been going to youtube videos
I was hoping someone could explain it here hah

[somber sequoia]

I'd think that whatever website you got it from has the description, I'm not sure who's hosting it at the moment, but the last time I looked, the features were clearly listed

[gritty marsh]

I just read that it helps shorten time with optimization
Like reducing material count and armature issues

But I may have already covered that in Unity so I may just continue there

Its mainly just hard to follow some videos without it ngl

[somber sequoia]

the material count thing in there actually just uses the material-combiner blender add-on

[gritty marsh]

mm okay bet

[somber sequoia]

"armature issues" probably refers to stuff for MMD/Vroid models

here, second hit on google, not sure if this is any sort of official page, but it does list features quite well:
https://addons.cgdive.com/tools/cats-blender-plugin

[gritty marsh]

bet ty 🙏

[stable hull]

Anyone able to help get me these avatars?

There’s more but ima put these for now

[somber sequoia]

#1138520828556890214

[gritty marsh]

How on earth did this happen
(I could not tell you what I did to make it look like this)
It only looks like this in the display also

[prisma frigate]

Beautiful Elderach being.

[gritty marsh]

lmao yesss

But genuinley if anyone can help me with my creature I could use it 😭

[somber sequoia]

if you just exported from blender, and that image is from Unity (it helps to know these things beforehand), then go to the rig setup, set it to generic and apply, then redo the humanoid setup.

And if you don't have an already setup avatar in the scene, just delete it and drag in a new copy

[gritty marsh]

Sorry mb man this is my first time trying this stuff out fully

I'll go ahead and redo the humanoid setup though and see if that fixes it

[low wing]

ok am i over thinking this? I thought it had to have a walk, crouch, etc all with in the avatar...plus if i add a non basic bone like chest, head, hip....i had to animate it to work?

cuz i have a mushroom that will have no neck, and an interchangable cap

[somber sequoia]

If you use a humanoid armature, VRChat will provide you all of that.
If not.... yes, you need to do all of that yourself

[low wing]

OH

ok so short answer yes i was

ok thanks

[somber sequoia]

you can use a humanoid rig on most avatars, even if the required bones don't actually do anything

[low wing]

i seeeeeee

also what if i dont use a generic human rig>?

how would i go about that?

[somber sequoia]

just set the rig type to "generic"

[low wing]

cuz i have been here for almost a decade, yet i still dont know

yes i get that but animations

[somber sequoia]

you'll get nothing from VRChat's IK though, so nothing will really move unless you animate it

[low wing]

thats what i dont get

[somber sequoia]

what about it don't you get?

[low wing]

like what do i have to animate, i dont know what you mean....i am used to things i have to animate literally every little movement regaurdless....and then upload them

is that the same way for non human

[somber sequoia]

whatever you want, it's entirely freeform

[low wing]

yes, ok lets get basic...lets say i wanted just a quad, i have to animate the walk, run, crouch, etc ...but how do i get it in game in the right way

where when i crouch itt crouchs

[arctic ginkgo]

You can use the default parameters as inputs for the animation

[somber sequoia]

^

[arctic ginkgo]

there's documentation for it i'll get the link

[low wing]

ok thanks

♥

[plain zenith]

Hey guys
I have a little issue with avatar
In Unity, the avatar displays normally, but as soon as I enter game mode or load the avatar, the eyes are out of place. Does anyone know how to fix this?

[arctic ginkgo]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#built-in-parameters

[low wing]

ok i will look at that later

[somber sequoia]

Make sure the eye positions in the avatar descriptor are correct.
Also eye bones should be perfectly vertical, with no bone roll, and the head at the exact center of rotation. You can check/edit this in Blender.

[low wing]

but if i wanted to get more complex would that still work?

like lets say for sake of complexity, a starfish

[somber sequoia]

it's hard to say anything other than repeating: it's entirely free form, whatever you want to animate you can animate

[low wing]

where it has 5 limbs or maybe more

yes, but do i just put it in unity

or is there an in game thing?

[somber sequoia]

you do this in unity just like any of the tutorals tell you

[low wing]

ok

thats all i wanted to know thanks

♥

[somber sequoia]

huh

yes, all avatars have to be setup and uploaded with Unity.

[low wing]

cuz i am used to having to do post upload edits

like for mods in games

[somber sequoia]

the site which Sunshine linked has a "getting started" - I suggest reading it

[low wing]

i did'

but i wasnt sure

this has been years

if its changed i will re look

[somber sequoia]

the "you must use unity" part has not changed

[low wing]

ok good

:3

than ks

[arctic ginkgo]

I would recommend creating the animations themselves in a different program though, like Blender. Unity isn't the best for animation imo. You can export animations in the FBX format, then in Unity you can select them and type ctrl+D to extract them from the FBX as Unity .anim assets.

[low wing]

yes i get that

thanks

i was asking with blender in mind

cuz thats what i assumed

now is there an easy way for eye tracking with out making eey balls

cuz my mushroom has eyes built in

like so

thats all 1 peice

[somber sequoia]

"eye tracking" isn't a thing by default with a generic avatar, so again, you animate whatever you want.

[plain zenith]

Everything is good is descriptor
Issue saves

[low wing]

well how do i make them then?

cuz i thought all fo them do eye tracking

dont they?

if not then i wont worry

[somber sequoia]

humanoid avatars get some mock eye movement stuff, or you can use external things via OSC such as eye tracking in headsets.

[low wing]

ok hmmm

[arctic ginkgo]

afaik you don't need to have a humanoid rig to use eye tracking, since it's animated through VRChat's Eyelook, and that you just set up in the avatar descriptor

[low wing]

so dont worry about it too much?

[somber sequoia]

oh does that work with generic too? neat, I didn't think it did

[low wing]

i wanted to do a texture eye tracking

where the eye itself doesnt move

but the textures do

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah, i've just set empties as the eye bones in the descriptor and they work both for eyelook and eye tracking

[somber sequoia]

oh that makes sense, neat

[low wing]

ok good to know

[arctic ginkgo]

yep, this is very possbile. I've done this before using contacts to get X and Y coordinates to plug into a blendtree, then you just animate the texture offset

[low wing]

ok ...i have read what you said 2 times and i understood 1 maybe 2 parts

the animate and texture offset

is there a guide for this?

so i dont bother you XD

[arctic ginkgo]

for this particular setup I don't believe so, but there is documentation on the VRChat Avatar SDK. The link I sent you earlier is to the creator docs.

[low wing]

well i was really hoping for a yes DX

[arctic ginkgo]

that's basically a guide to all the vrchat specific tools you have available to you when creating avatars. Unity has their own documentation as well

[low wing]

but ok thanks

OH it was a unity thing

[arctic ginkgo]

don't worry about that lol

[low wing]

i thought it was a blender step

[somber sequoia]

this channel is for the botherin'

[low wing]

cuz i am afraid people will think i bother with my hopefully well thought questions

x.x

[arctic ginkgo]

well you'll need to make sure your model, textures, UVs, and material slots are set up in Blender correctly so that the eye texture can move around without interfering with anything else on the model. The easiest way would just be to have the eyes on a different material slot, but you can also use a secondary texture blended on top of the first texture.

The materials themselves don't need to be set up in Blender, since you'll need to set that up again in Unity, but it can be useful to preview what it will look like.

[low wing]

yes i got that and know how to

[low wing]

and good to know

also thoughts on my lad here? i think his default cap looks cute

i have like 5 cap options

and 1 with out a cap... for some reason

XD

[arctic ginkgo]

very cute!

[low wing]

i am struggling on how i should make his cap edges bounce

i know it has to be rigged

but i am unsure how

[low wing]

also thanks ♥ i still have to get used to the first person that vrchat is

cuz i like seeing all angles

x.x

just in case i missed a spot for textures or something went wrong

plus i dont even know where to put the camera for when its in the game

maybe near the eyes

[arctic ginkgo]

VRChat has a script called Physbones that's a basic physics sim for bones. I would rig it however you think it needs to move; I'd probably have bones come out from near where the head meets the cap, and then going around the cap in a circle. You can add however many you want for smoother motion, but I'd think one or two per chain, and maybe 4-6 chains around the cap should be enough.

[low wing]

hmmm yeah i can see that

[arctic ginkgo]

Something like this all around the cap

[low wing]

but also back to the eyss...should i make a seperate plane or something for the moving part of the eyes?

i think that would be best but....thats not what i would usually do for other things

[low wing]

yes thats a good idea

OH i almost forgot where can i put my avatar for people to use

and how do i keep people with that to say they made it?

cuz i dont think thart would be a problem cuz i am NOT HUUUGE

XD

just in case

[arctic ginkgo]

you can create an avatar world and place an avatar pedestal in it, you can just give it to people by allowing them to clone it, and you can also get it added to avatar search worlds, like Primic's. They have a database of searchable avatars, and I know they have some sort of discovery system, but you can also DM Prismic on discord with the avatar ID and ask for it to be added to the database.

[low wing]

ok well i dont know how to do all that BUT i ment like the files

so they can make their own caps and textures

[arctic ginkgo]

You can't really prevent people from saying that they made it, but anyone who wants to see who made it can select the user wearing the avatar, click on 'avatar details' and see the creator of the avatar listed as the author.

[low wing]

if they ever wanna

but they would re upload it?

wouldent it say them and not me

x.x

[arctic ginkgo]

Some people do rip models and reupload them, but that is a bannable offense, and VRChat has technical measures against ripping that make it more difficult to pull off. It's still not impossible, and never will be, but you can always file a DMCA takedown with VRChat if you find out that someone has done this.

[alpine ingot]

Is it normal for a model to just look worse when using a Atlas? Currently in blender. Right is the model using the Atlas

[low wing]

i dont use atlas

so i dont even know what that is

[alpine ingot]

The thingy where all materials get combined into one

[arctic ginkgo]

Atlases shouldn't change the fidelity of the textures unless something about them was changed in the process of creating it, like resampling the texture (downsampling, upscaling, rotating outside of cardinal directions, etc)

[balmy barn]

matcap/normals ect wontshow after so yes normal

you add those in unity anyway

[arctic ginkgo]

there's also the chance that you were just using a different shader setup on one of your materials, which you would need to reimplement if you combined materials together.

[alpine ingot]

So its fine then to use? Because the colours just seem sucked away

[arctic ginkgo]

try opening both files in a different program, like image preview, and see if that issue remains

if not, then you might just have the wrong color settings for the texture or in your scene settings

You can also try manually creating the atlas in an image editing or drawing program like Photoshop, Gimp, Krita, etc

[alpine ingot]

I´m gonna just export one with and without atlas into unity and see what happens

[low wing]

wait you said that materials arent gonna matter?

[balmy barn]

atlas wont show transperancy either, you need to know wich one need it and have it on a seperate material , can always do that after tho

[low wing]

cuz unity i have to reset them up

[alpine ingot]

then i´m staying without atlas

[low wing]

cuz i dont have them in different meshes

[alpine ingot]

i unsterstand too little about the texturing

[low wing]

i LOVE textures

and animating

XD

rigging is my 2nd fave

😛

[balmy barn]

just learn wich one need it after atlas or before

[arctic ginkgo]

the material shader setup doesn't matter, but everything else you do need to set up (what materials they are assigned to become different material slots in Unity, and you still need to UV unwrap)

[alpine ingot]

Well.. hmm

actually

i think i deleted all the faces that should have transperancy

I guess a atlas is fine then?

I just dont wanna end up working on the avi and then sometime later see that i fucked smth up by using a atlas

[balmy barn]

only rare times where you merge 2 different uvs you end up messing it up

would instantly notice that , but before merging you can check out what something like the skirt was doing , my guess some normal since its not greyish something after

[alpine ingot]

This normal?

or something else

[balmy barn]

never touched it

[alpine ingot]

oh

waiiit

that reminds me, in unity even with the last attempt the skirt looked like this

and in game too

that was without a atlas too

[arctic ginkgo]

@low wing To give more details on the Unity setup, here are the features I use for it:

Avatar contacts: These are trigger colliders that can change an animator controller parameter upon collision with another contact. There are two types, Senders and Receivers, each only being able to send a collision or receive a collision respectively.

Additionally, contact receivers have 3 different types that determine what kind of data they output: Constant, OnEnter, and Proximity. Constant uses a boolean that is true when there's a collider inside, false when there isn't. OnEnter is true for the frame that a contact enters it, as long as it has a minimum velocity (which you can set), and false any other time. Proximity uses a float value between 0-1 which represents how close another contact is to the center (0 being the distance of the radius or further). I use the Proximity type to get a float value for the X and Y coordinates of the eye.

VRChat Constraints: These are a performant replacement to Unity constraints, and they work similarly to Blender's object and bone constraints. I use the position constraint (equivalent to Blender's copy location constraint) so that each sender follows one axis of the eye rotation by tracking to a bone in front of and parented to the eye.

Animator controllers/parameters: Animator controllers are Unity's way of controlling everything about animations, such as which ones are playing, how they blend together, their speed, masking what bones they play on, etc. You set up different layers, and each one can be controlled using logical conditions utilizing parameters.

Blendtrees: Blendtrees are a feature of Animator controllers which blend animations together based on float values. These can have 1 or 2 axes. Using a 2 axis Blendtree allows you to place animations according to X and Y coordinates, and the animation that plays is a blend based on the distance from the current coordinate position.

[alpine ingot]

hmm.. I think for now i´ll work without a atlas until i´m sure i´m done in blender and export 2 different versions of the model then

[balmy barn]

blender material red before atlas - blue after, see it doesnt setup alot since you'd need to setup that in unity anyway

[arctic ginkgo]

Animator controllers specifically are state machines. So the logic controls which states are active, and each state has a motion, which is either an animation clip or a Blendtree (which blends multiple animation clips together).

The motions in the state can be blended together as well using the transitions between them, and you can use states and layers to add certain effects to the animations.

States can do things like changing the start offset, speed, or playing a frame based on a float parameter. While entire layers can do things like changing the blending weight for the whole layer, using the animations as additive animations, or masking the layer so the animations only play on certain bones,

[alpine ingot]

i see i see, i suppose thats sometihng for later when i export though.

[low wing]

uhhhh.... so i need to make bones for the pupils seperately and a different uv map....i assume?

that was a bit too wordy for me

x.x

[arctic ginkgo]

You can always use empty transforms in Unity for the eye bones, but how you set up the texture is up to you. You can use a secondary UV map if that makes sense for you.

[low wing]

ok thanks

^U^

but wait

its not the entire eye

i would have to have it only the pupil

that will move with out me having to animate right?

like if i make a copy of the eye mesh area and then just etxture it i dont have to make different textures for each eye movement right?

[fallow parrot]

anyone knows how to add object to afk pose?

i added in the animation only in the action layer, on unity works normal but on vrc is not showing up

[balmy barn]

detect afk in FX , enable something

its a bool

[arctic ginkgo]

What I would probably do is create a second, transparent texture with just the pupils. You can use a second UV map for it if you want to. Then in Unity, you animate the texture offset value, which is similar to shifting the UVs (but it's the texture moving, not the UVs)

[low wing]

ok can do

♥

[fallow parrot]

wdym?
and for some reason for my friend is working but in my point of view is not

[balmy barn]

cant enable objects/stuff in action layer, that goes in your FX controller

[low wing]

ok do i need to specify in blender whats a phy bone?

or what ever its called

[somber sequoia]

nope, just needs to be a bone.

[low wing]

ok thanks

♥

[low wing]

wait animate? i thought you said i didnt have to animate the eye tracking?

now i am confused

now i am gonna have to figure out if the armature has to be the same for the other caps to work as options

[arctic ginkgo]

if you want it to be 2D and not use eye bones, then you will have to animate the texture offset to match the rotation of the eye bones (which are controlled by VRChat)

[low wing]

here is him with a 2nd cap

[low wing]

i dont understand

[arctic ginkgo]

• VRChat tracking simulation or Eye tracking from headset ↴
• Eye bones rotate ↴
• Contacts detect rotation and send X and Y coordinates to animation controller ↴
• Animation controller plays animation that moves texture offset

[low wing]

ok... how do i do this?

i am unsure

cuz the eyes dont move...just the pupils

[arctic ginkgo]

For the blender portion, you just need the pupils texture to move independent of the texture for the rest of the model

[low wing]

right

i did that

but for the unity side?

[arctic ginkgo]

Then you need to create a empty transforms for the eye bones, and set those as the eyes in the avatar descriptor. This will make them rotate like eyes on other avatars

the eye rotation is either based on eye tracking if your headset has it (or if using your webcam on desktop), or on Eye Look which is VRChat's eye tracking simulation (just moves your eyes around to look at other players automatically)

[arctic ginkgo]

the next step is to add an empty transform to one of the eye bones and move it in front of the eye by whatever amount you want. This amount is important though, because the radius of your contacts will be 2x this distance

[low wing]

wait do you still mean on the blender side?

cuz there are empties in blender

[arctic ginkgo]

no, this is all unity

[low wing]

oh ok

[arctic ginkgo]

this is all you need to do in blender

[low wing]

mhm

[low wing]

ok good to know

[fallow parrot]

worked!

thanks~

[arctic ginkgo]

then you add a contact sender in the same location as the eye bone (but not parented to it), as well as two receivers. Offset one receiver upwards by 1.5x the radius, and the other to the side by the same distance.

Add a position constraint to both of these contact receivers, and under Freeze Axes uncheck all axes except the one that it is offset by. Add a source to both, and set it to the empty parented to the eye bone, then activate, and then lock the constraints.

Make sure that all constraints have the same custom tag (this can be whatever you want, just make sure it's the same), then uncheck the interaction for other players, and set the receiver types to Proximity.

The receivers also need to have their own parameters set. These should be different for each, something like EyeX and EyeY should work.

[arctic ginkgo]

After this, create animations for the eyes looking in each direction and for looking in the center. These should be done by animating the texture offset of the pupil texture.

In the FX animator controller, create a new layer and set the weight to 1, and then create a new state from a blendtree. Open the blendtree and set the type to 2D freeform. Then you can add new motion slots, one for every animation you created, and set the coordinates accordingly. Remember that your coordinates are 0-1, not -1-1, so (0.5, 0,5) will be your center point. Then just put all the animations in the correct slots.

Create two float parameters with the EXACT same names as the ones in the contacts, and use those as your Blendtree parameters, and that should be all you need to do.

[low wing]

help i cant fix his seperated eyes!!

no matter the weight paint value they always do this

DX

the eyes work

the pupils dont

dont know why

[arctic ginkgo]

the puils don't have to be a separate mesh, you can just use a transparent texture an blend it on top of the main one