avatar-help

[proper orbit]

im getting this too has anybody figured out whats going on?

[misty ridge]

im pretty sure the servers are down or smth

[proper orbit]

oh yippie

[brazen citrus]

you just have to wait unfortunately, and try again every 15-30 minutes or so.

[proper orbit]

😭 im trying to get through coms

[wind marlin]

Hey, my friend has updated his avatar and he gets the error that it's not supported on the current platform, is there a problem with the server rn?

[somber sequoia]

literally what others are discussing right above

[proper orbit]

yes that what we were talking about a bunch of us are getting it

[wind marlin]

Can I get pinged after it gets resolved?

[somber sequoia]

I don't work for vrchat

[wind marlin]

I know lol

[somber sequoia]

... not sure why you would ask me then?

[wind marlin]

IDK, sorry

[verbal warren]

fixed for me atleast

[balmy barn]

region outage probably - not experiencing anything here

[verbal warren]

i uploaded my avi like 50x and closed unity a ton

[lethal thorn]

😅 hey so I'm getting this error of "assets/prefab-(string of text) you are trying to save a prefab with a missing script. This is not allowed" any idea how to fix that

[barren karma]

For the very little time I spend in here.. it's nice to see I'm not alone with having issues.

I got worried for a minute.

https://tenor.com/view/spy-family-anya-phew-spy-x-family-gif-25486832

Thought my computer was COOKED

[somber sequoia]

you either install whatever required package that script needs, or remove the script component. Often it's things like VRCFury.

[elder vector]

same issue..

[lethal thorn]

i fixed it!

[late tree]

same

[limpid kestrel]

hello, is avatar upload broken atm?

[misty ridge]

yeeh

[wind marlin]

Yep

[limpid kestrel]

welp, that explains a lot

is there some official annocement about it?

[wind marlin]

Seems like not

[steep rose]

[misty ridge]

is the vrchat team even aware of the issueee 🥲

[steep rose]

probably ask them

[proper orbit]

is there someone to ping or how do you tell them 😅

cause i just tried upload the avi again and still having the issue

[somber sequoia]

probably submit a support ticket

[solar shard]

i didn't even need to ask

i was going insane, thank you

server processing is borked

[wintry ledge]

hey my avatar suddenly broke,was working fine yesterday,changed its height in configuration in unity cuz i had feet in the ground,uploaded and now its "avatar is not supported on this platform" it says that in the vrc menu. How to fix it? :(

[solar shard]

welcome to the club, something seems to be broken serverside

[barren karma]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-cat-cat-dancing-dancing-cat-daily-cat-dance-gif-15678680634713803928

Coolest club on the block.

[wintry ledge]

so i cant fix it?? i have to wait? or is it lost forever

[crimson plover]

i finally found the expression parameter tab,
for things not already in the tab do i just have to manually add their VRCfury toggle names?

[left gull]

you just gotta wait till the server's issue is fixed

it'll be fine just not gonna work for the next while

[wintry ledge]

alrightyy

[proper orbit]

mines fixed!

[barren karma]

VRCFury toggles are added during the upload process.

[crimson plover]

the toggles are already here, theyre just not in the expression parameter list

i need them to be so i can make sure they sync with quest version and save between worlds

[barren karma]

Mind if I take a look

(Wait are there VC channels in this place or no..)

[crimson plover]

i dont think there are

[barren karma]

Appears not.

[barren karma]

What did you add VRCFury wise

[crimson plover]

bunch of clothing toggles and a custom material change

[limpid kestrel]

the uploading?

[barren karma]

VRCFury adds them to the parameter list during the upload process. If the toggles aren't something that a quest avatar can do, just make a full controller and slap it on the quest one with the same toggles listed as parameters in the full controller without an FX layer or animations.

should be fine

[proper orbit]

yea the avis are working for me now

[crimson plover]

the issue isnt that the toggles dont work, the issue is that they dont save

i want them to save their values like the toggles built into the avatar itself do

[barren karma]

Did you enable saving between worlds?

[crimson plover]

I cant without the expression parameter thats the problem

[timber wharf]

@crimson plover https://vrcfury.com/components/toggle#saved-between-worlds

https://vrcfury.com/tutorials/quest

[crimson plover]

o h

[timber wharf]

tldr always (re)upload quest version after pc, if you messed with vrcf items even if its pc only changes

then it will be properly linked

[naive copper]

I know this will be completely useless..

But remember when I said I fixed the issue with the lights? A recent update broke it.

Now originally I thought it was because my MB usage was causing the uploading process to remove the particles for optimization, but the particles are still there

Even after I was able to bring the usage down to a reasonable amount, the light source still don't work

Now as you would expect it works on PC, but this is supposed to be a quest compatible flashlight.

I'm not sure if an update with the game itself "patched" the light source thing but I'm hoping that not the case.

[heavy zephyr]

Light sources on quest were never meant to work and the workaround you were using doesn't work anymore

[naive copper]

Bro

So that's just it?

[heavy zephyr]

Yeah, light sources aren't allowed on quest

[naive copper]

I guess I can't update my old avatars, because they still work

Updating it will break them

[heavy zephyr]

They probably don't work anymore either

[naive copper]

They do

I tested it

But they're also old, so updating it will probably break it

[left gull]

you'll likely need to re-upload them in the near future as it wouldnt be surprising if vrchat just set them to security check fail

[heavy zephyr]

The game is more accurate when scanning for such things, it's only a matter of time before server scan or client scan catches it

[naive copper]

I swear.. Quest users are treated horribly

I can't take it anymore man

I know it's for optimization because Quest isn't nearly as strong as PC

[heavy zephyr]

You were using a workaround to bypass a limitation, that was bound to happen

Lights are very expensive, even for PC

[fiery crow]

clones

[naive copper]

:(

[fiery crow]

realtime lights are so unnecessary for quest

[night ember]

you doing something you werent supposed to be able to do or were allowed to do must mean you are treated horribly when they fix it
t o t a l l y

you are literally running mobile hardware
building content for a game
you cant expect to be able to just do whatever you want

[naive copper]

You're making it seem like that having them is almost as bad as being a crasher

It is far from that bro

[fiery crow]

bruther u have multiple clones of the avi just for u alone with a mirror and a light, let alone a lobby

[night ember]

it is HEAVILY taxing on the mobile hardware so yes

[heavy zephyr]

They're saying exactly what they typed. Them fixing something that was clearly a bypass is in no way the same as "treating quest users horribly"

[naive copper]

What do you mean clones?

[night ember]

making it about crashers now for your argument
nice
I quite literally said bypassing the enforced limits and crying when your bypasses get fixed doesnt mean you are being treated horribly
its your own fault for trying to bypass to begin with

[naive copper]

Well I'm sorry I wanted people to actually have something useful on the avatar

What's the point of having a flashlight if it doesn't work

[night ember]

you are making game content
you cant just do whatever you want

you knew the limits and restrictions well before you uploaded

its your own fault for trying to ignore them and bypassing

[heavy zephyr]

In short : Your avatar runs multiple times, once for you, once for mirrors and cameras, once for everyone else...

Adding a light does much more damage than you may think. Lights need to add more render operations for every material they hit. Multiply that with all the copies of your avatar that exist at once, performance tanks very fast.

[night ember]

completely ignoring the fact that avatar lights are also very performance heavy even on pc

realtime lights are awful for performance

[heavy zephyr]

Already said that

[naive copper]

Bro lights on Android works differently

You're making it seem like that they cast shadows just as the same as they do for PC

I KNOW what differences lights on Quest have than PC, it can't be that damaging bro

[night ember]

you in fact do not cause they are LITERALLY the same as pc
realtime lights are awful for performance cause it aint just a "oh theres shadows" they affect EVERYTHING in realtime as the name literally suggests
so no they are definitely not performant

[heavy zephyr]

Them casting shadows or not has nothing to do with the platform, that's just a setting in the light itself.

And regardless of shadows or not, they function exactly the same on PC or Quest.

[left gull]

id imagine if vrchat themselves have removed/restricted them its damaging enough that allowing everyone to have one on their models causes too many issues, vrchat is pretty thorough with their testing of limits

especially since its not like they just set the restriction, its been awhile since that was put in place

[night ember]

having a singular avatar light on pc knocks you straight to poor or very poor

[heavy zephyr]

Lights have always been blacklisted on quest, they just patched the one workaround to it.

[night ember]

directly ignoring the blacklist/restriction/limit and bypassing puts YOU entirely at fault
not the game

[naive copper]

This isn't fair
I don't care you guys are saying "it's been blacklisted for ages"

I just wanted people to have the same experience as people on PC

[night ember]

you are expecting people with mobile hardware and at most 6gb of usable ram to have the same experience as pc

[heavy zephyr]

How can you expect that while the hardware is so different, much weaker and with more restrictions?

[night ember]

you wanna know what isnt fair? bypassing the restrictions
you are not the victim here in the slightest

[left gull]

if they want the PC experience they should invest in a physical or online hosted PC, the standalone headsets that're currently supported are really only as good as a mediocre phone

[naive copper]

Is that something I could be IP banned for?

I don't think so

[night ember]

you are in fact incorrect

bypassing restrictions either leads to it being eventually patched or leads you to being banned for modifications

[heavy zephyr]

Plus even if it doesn't get you banned, that doesn't make it good?

[naive copper]

I'm working on a very tight situation
It's no like I can afford whatever you guys have

[night ember]

"I didnt get arrested so it must be fine"

[strange saffron]

Each model is something that needs to get loaded, each world is something that needs to get loaded. If there are 5 people with huge models, it's not going to be a fun time

[night ember]

so what? you are victimizing yourself for not having the same hardware
then acting entitled expecting to have the same performance as the better hardware

[heavy zephyr]

And that's fine, but by bypassing limits you hurt everyone's performance. You'll get there eventually but you can't expect a phone to perform as good as a PC

[naive copper]

I'm not trying to victimize myself
I'm just adding to the conclusion that I want people to experience the same thing PC does

[night ember]

a phone that has 2gbs (or more) being used to just run the system itself

[heavy zephyr]

That's not possible, simple as.

[left gull]

im also not the most wealthy but thats why i suggested an online hoster setup (i forget the proper term) theres some that're as cheap as 6$ a month which is pretty good imo if you want a real desktop experience 🤷‍♀️

[night ember]

you are acting like it isnt fair and that you are being treated badly so yes you in fact are
then you are going on about how you should be treated the same despite having weaker hardware

[naive copper]

Forget it bro

[night ember]

go off bitching your tricycle cant out perform a sports car

[junior void]

Who are we bullying?

[naive copper]

That's just uncalled for.

[strange saffron]

Diven please take a break

[naive copper]

I didn't say anything aggressive to you so I don't know why you're being rude to me

[night ember]

Im just going to be as blunt as possible with it to hopefully get the person to understand the problem

[heavy zephyr]

I think it's completely fine to discuss limits and disagree on what they should be.

But the hardware reality is a fact that cannot be changed.

There's a reason limits for Quest are harsher. Are they perfect? No. Is that a reason to allow everyone to do whatever they want? Also no.

[heavy zephyr]

You're not being blunt, you're being aggressive.

[strange saffron]

It can alienate people the way you type sometimes

[tardy locust]

Okay, what does this mean in terms of messing up my avatar? It looks fine in unity, but, this is what happens when I try to load it in VRC. And yeah, I'm building my own thing from scratch, so, I might've accidentally set something up wrong—

[junior void]

Set fbx scaling to fbx all

[tardy locust]

Where would that be under?

[night ember]

blender export

[heavy zephyr]

Blender export settings

[junior void]

Blender export

[tardy locust]

This right here?

[junior void]

Ye

[tardy locust]

Alright, didn't even know that was a thing lol

[night ember]

which part cause Im just trying to be blunt with the fact that mobile hardware comparing to pc hardware is equivalent to a bike compared to a sports car

[naive copper]

Bro you are being rude

[junior void]

All local and fbx all are a scale difference of x100

[tardy locust]

Yeah, that tracks. The avatar is so big, the camera is glitching horribly

[heavy zephyr]

Mostly this : "go off bitching your tricycle cant out perform a sports car".

And the overall tone of your replies about half the time in my opinion.

[naive copper]

You told me to cry away with a tricycle because I can't out perform a sports car

[night ember]

you are crying here aka bitching about the fact your mobile hardware (tricycle) cant have the same stuff that the pc hardware (sports car) has

[naive copper]

I know what you mean stupid >:(

[strange saffron]

Diven, please disengage

[heavy zephyr]

The problem is in your tone and wording, not necessarily the point you're making.

[naive copper]

I can't

[night ember]

theres a tone in my messages?

[strange saffron]

Yes

[night ember]

to me Im just typing very literally

[raven pumice]

hey Diven, can you calm down?

[junior void]

🍿

[heavy zephyr]

I believe so yes, you come off as hostile a lot of the time

[junior void]

Tbf thats a thing germans get told alot

[night ember]

Im not german

[heavy zephyr]

It's hard to explain, tonality is a hard thing to measure when it comes to text. It's intuitive to some, not to others

[night ember]

Im not calm right now?

[night ember]

my messages are the literal meaning of words and blunt to me

I dont try to convey tone Im just being very literal with the words

[junior void]

For me it was the word "bitching"

The rest face value

UwU

[heavy zephyr]

That may be the case, but that comes off as hostile when no nuance or consideration is perceived.

In my humble, non-professional opinion, it's just a matter of listening when others perceive something you say badly and slowly learning from there.

[night ember]

defined as publicly crying or expressing displeasure

[heavy zephyr]

But often used in a very pejorative manner.

[strange saffron]

It's a charged word

[junior void]

Im not saying the meaning was inaccurate in context

[night ember]

Ill not use it then

[heavy zephyr]

Again tone, not meaning.

[night ember]

but you genuinely cant get the same performance and power out of mobile hardware compared to the pc hardware
there has to be limits
trying to ignore them even when said limits are also not great for what you are comparing to puts everyone else on the platform including you at risk
be it as best lag or at worst crashing

[strange saffron]

Yes we can agree on that

[junior void]

Yep

[night ember]

on pc avatar lights already cause fps drops

shadows or not

[naive copper]

The most i deal with is a slight lag Spike,
Other than that I've never really had any lag issues

Usually it freezes for like a second, I see that as like a sign of it working

[night ember]

which is great for your personal experience
but you cant say that is for everyone else
vrchat's devs have a lot of data to back them up with what is performant or not
they are constantly testing the performance of features to see if its even possible to run on weaker hardware

[junior void]

Lights crash me sometimes (quest pro pcvr with a 3k gamer rig)

[night ember]

the fact you are freezing is not a good thing

[heavy zephyr]

The lag spike/freeze is a sign, others will feel it too, the effects will become worse when mirrors/cameras get involved.

And even regardless of all that, remember that you are making everyone else feel that same performance drop. Do you see how that can be perceived as selfish?

[night ember]

cause now imagine everyone else around you suddenly having to deal with YOUR freezing

[strange saffron]

What is the poly count for your model

[naive copper]

It's around 80k, but that's just because there's a lot of toggles on it for accessories

My models are relatively low poly at default

[night ember]

80k is awful for quest

[strange saffron]

That's on the higher side iirc

[naive copper]

Again it's for toggles bro

[night ember]

and?

[naive copper]

It's a customizable character?

[night ember]

toggled on or off its still loaded into memory

[strange saffron]

Maybe we can do visual tricks to keep the poly count even lower but still look correct?

[fiery crow]

high to low environment baking ye

[night ember]

its 4x the poor limit for quest

[naive copper]

bro

What do you think I could have done?

[night ember]

separate the avatars

dont try to put everything onto one avatar

like if you arent even using the toggles at all times you are just wasting memory

[stark meadow]

nooooo i need 4 outfits on one avatar !!

[naive copper]

Okay so make like 500 different variances for the avatar
Because apparently having extra accessories down to material swaps are a bad thing

[strange saffron]

It will be a bit annoying but it will help the most in the situation

[night ember]

you can have toggles but throwing everything into one avatar despite the fact you arent using ALL of those toggles at all times just wastes memory that people could be using

[heavy zephyr]

Careful with that kind of argumentation, that's not in good faith.

If you have many different outfits, separating is recommended. If you have a few toggles here and there, that's all good imo.

[fiery crow]

matswaps dont really matter as much (in moderation ofc) as long as the textures arent overly high, what counts towards the performance is the seperate meshes and mat slots, cause of drawcalls

[stark meadow]

everyone must lag because i cannot make up my mind on one outfit and i need 10 accessories ready to swap at all times

[junior void]

This is gonna escalate again

[night ember]

entirely unused outfits that are only pulled out for specific situations? make it a separate avatar
clothing toggles for a specific outfit? put it with the outfit

[naive copper]

I can see what you mean especially with the mb being pretty high with the character rn

But at the same time, it's a customizable character
I just wanted people to be able to customize it fully without not much use of "switching avatars"

People wanted tools, people wanted a flashlight, I tried to provide as much as I could.

[stark meadow]

if its public shame on you even more lmao

[naive copper]

I'm sorry that your standards are different from mines, I'm not an experienced creator

[strange saffron]

You can break the clothes into sets, have the model be related to a specific set, and try to break certain accessories you toggle more frequently in every model

[fiery crow]

for flashlights, id definitely keep it as a local only thing, thats what i do with my light drones (for pc tho)

u can do that by using a IsLocal paramater

[heavy zephyr]

We all understand your point but we're trying to direct you towards a more nuanced approach.

Currently you seem to only consider the issue from your perspective, we're trying to balance it out by pointing out that anything you add for your own sake, impacts everyone else.

Therefor the reality is a compromise, like many things in life.

[night ember]

which trying to bypass the hard limits that vrchat provides to you directly is a very big problem
you should instead just tell people that its not possible

[naive copper]

The only issue is the hair for its poly count
For different shirts, it's exactly the same mesh

I use material swaps too and give the shirt different textures, and only two sleeve mesh types which are toggled and modified via blendshapes

[stark meadow]

trade-offs must be made for quest avatars or you end up with your quest avatar that is worse than my current pc avatar optimization -wise

[night ember]

I have 3 pages of accessory/clothing toggles and Im still under 20k

[naive copper]

I model my characters in segments

That's probably why it's high as well

[fiery crow]

if i have an a quest avis thats a bit high poly, i try to offset where i can whether its a lot fewer drawcalls, and very low mesh/ texture memory and an optimized animator.
sometimes u can balance it a bit

[strange saffron]

Or you can try using a few visual shenanigans like making an extremely low poly model of an otherwise high poly model, then take orthographic pictures of the faces that align to the low poly model but the pictures are of the high poly model, then so that for the entire low poly model and use the low poly model

[night ember]

that was hard to read

[naive copper]

I try to keep things as low as possible :[

The character doesn't even have a face mesh, it's all material swaps

[night ember]

mat swaps arent that great

[fiery crow]

theres some tools to reduce poly count while preserving UVs, one of them i use somtimes is called LodMantis

[naive copper]

I'm not that experienced when it comes to modeling

I don't know how to actually make them, and I rather not because it's not my style

[night ember]

what is said "them"

what is the resolution of the textures

[junior void]

😵‍💫

[naive copper]

525 or something

[night ember]

512?

[naive copper]

I draw them on my phone and having them imported into unity brings them down to a pretty low quality, so to avoid any high usage
I bring it down to the size it was important in

[strange saffron]

How many textures?

[night ember]

you can make a sprite sheet out of them then just use the uv panning instead of doing mat swaps so it remains 1 material

[naive copper]

I tried

I can't animate it

[night ember]

you dont animate the material asset

you animate the mesh

[naive copper]

What?

[night ember]

you dont click the material in assets to animate it

you click on your avatar's mesh in scene

[fiery crow]

if the avi is symmetrical, u can UV only half then use mirror modifers, so u have alot less redundant UV space, makes textures better looking at lower resolutions.
i do this to keep memory super low, can even get some textures down to 256 easily

[night ember]

my avatar is mostly flat colors so I could make it 128

[fiery crow]

i like to ao and diffuse bake everything

[night ember]

I choose to use flat and cell shading

including the matcap

[fiery crow]

i could never get the hang of cellshading

i suck at it

toon stylization is my weakspot

[night ember]

its just a flat 0 or 1 on if its in shadow or not

[fiery crow]

oh i thought u were using the multilayer math shading like poi

[night ember]

bonus if you add a brighter opposite side as highlights

[naive copper]

I used toon standard

[night ember]

I do

[night ember]

I dont really know how to use multilayer math that much so I just use the first one and thats it

[strange saffron]

How many accessories/clothing items does the model have currently that needs to be optimized?

[naive copper]

I want to say

I'm sorry if I made you mad

I personally just use the flashlight thing a lot, mostly in friend groups when doing horror games

[night ember]

I never got mad

[naive copper]

I was pretty upset about losing that opportunity

[night ember]

as Ive said I am just very blunt and literal with what I say

[naive copper]

That's understandable

I'm mostly a sensitive person at the end of the day, so I may have seen it as you being aggressive

But if the flashlight thing is going for good, I guess I just have to deal with it

[strange saffron]

If you keep telling yourself you are sensitive, you internalize it until you don't work on yourself.

[naive copper]

I'm not that all sensitive
Under certain topics yeah but I still try to stay strong against bullies

[strange saffron]

Not everyone is a bully, and not everyone is trying to harm you

[naive copper]

From what I deal with both irl and in VRC, everything feels like that 😭

But again I'm not that all sensitive

I was mostly mad at the fact that this wasn't just a bug

[strange saffron]

That's fair

[naive copper]

It was a fix to a thing I've used for months

[strange saffron]

Let's see what we can do to help with the avatar

[naive copper]

There's nothing you can do
I was talking about the fact that the light sources I had on my avatar wasn't working for Quest

But everybody had explained that there was an update or something which fixed the method everybody had used to get lights on Quest

[somber sequoia]

I make my twist bones with this, it's basically one click:
https://github.com/feilen/tuxedo-blender-plugin

[static valve]

oh so cool thank you ^^ 🫶🫶🫶

[somber sequoia]

Thanks to Feilen for making this easy 🙂

[static valve]

Omg that was a godsend addon, thank you! I hadn't ever heard of it, much appreciated <3 <3 <3

[versed marsh]

how do i open the uv map for these underwear?

im trying to get rid of the fishnet portions and its difficult seperating the mesh from itself

[somber sequoia]

you're in the right section, just click on the object in the right window and tab into edit mode

[versed marsh]

when i try to edit the mesh in the uv edit it wont let me delete any vertices or select any single ones

[somber sequoia]

you don't edit the mesh in the UV editor, you edit the mesh in the mesh editor (right window)

[versed marsh]

when i select the fishnet top for example it doesnnt select only that on my mesh

thats what im trying to do

[somber sequoia]

then it's not a separate mesh. That's fine, just select the faces you want to work on

[versed marsh]

it wont let me is the thing

it doesnt select just that

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what that means?

[versed marsh]

it keeps my entire mesh selected

I dont want to delete my entire mesh

[somber sequoia]

are you not in edit mode?

[versed marsh]

I am in edit mode

[versed marsh]

it shows it here

I want to select only that top

[somber sequoia]

.. then just select the faces you want?

[versed marsh]

it ddoesnnt let me omg

i can select it but cant delete it

do i have to select each individual vertex???

theres no way im not able to do it like this

[somber sequoia]

I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what you mean by "doesn't let me" select it when you later said you selected it

but you can hit 'l' to select linked parts

[versed marsh]

it doesnt let me delete it

it doesnt select it on my mesh

only the uv edit map

[somber sequoia]

not sure why you want to be in UV mode to edit the mesh, but okay

[versed marsh]

I need to select that one specific article of clothing that is joined on the mesh

[versed marsh]

would it not help me see what is what and easily delete what i need?

compared to selecting all the vertices?

[somber sequoia]

ah okay, sure, it could, but you'll want to turn on "UV Sync Selection" at the upper left of the UV window

[versed marsh]

thank you

thats exactly what i needed lol

[somber sequoia]

ahh

[versed marsh]

see?

[somber sequoia]

yeah I couldn't figure out what you wanted from what you were saying

[ornate stump]

As a reminder, an answer can only be as good as a question can be.

[versed marsh]

it was kind of hard to word it i was doing my best

[hazy flax]

making a quest version, everytime i go into game mode to test, all that clothing goes purple as has no texture, im using mobile standard lite to shading, wth i do

turns into purple, pink

idk

[balmy barn]

mobile lite want no vertex colors, newer quest shader dont care about it

toon standard have way more options so id suggest using that (backface culling is handy)

[hazy flax]

toon lit get the same thing..

[young bear]

where is additive and gesture?

i'm on the latest SDK but for some reason the additive and gesture playable layers arent there

[hazy flax]

playable layers..?

[young bear]

in the avatar descriptor

the animator controllers used to animate your avatar

there's supposed to be 5 base layers

[hazy flax]

huh?

[young bear]

exactly

there's SUPPOSED to be 5

[hazy flax]

i think ur avatar is cooked bro 🥀

[young bear]

Gesture and Additive are missing

[hazy flax]

jus kiddin

[young bear]

are you on the latest stable SDK?

[hazy flax]

i guess?

[young bear]

3.8.2

[hazy flax]

yeah

[young bear]

yeah then i don't know

i don't need those two layers in this project but their absense is still confusing and somewhat concerning

[balmy barn]

its not set humanoid or a working one

[young bear]

ooooooooooh

i didn't do that yet

[hazy flax]

mm..

[left gull]

pretty sure if a material turns pink then its an issue with the shader used on it being missing/broken

[hazy flax]

but

im usin toon lit

[left gull]

Are there any errors/warnings in the console about the SDK?

[hazy flax]

nope

[left gull]

hrm was the screenshot when you were in playmode using something like gesturemanager or av3?

[hazy flax]

yeah

i was usin gesture manager

outside the playmode is normal

[left gull]

check to see if the mesh is changing materials when you toggle gesture manager maybe then?

there might be a load-in animation its using that swaps the material

if it is you'd just need to find the layer its on in the FX and remove it or edit the animation in that layer

[young bear]

that happens when the material is not quest compatible and your build mode is set to android. like the above comment, make sure ALL of your materials are quest compatible. If you have PC exclusive materials, have quest variants

personally the way i would suggest handling that is by using the 'vrcquesttools' addon which allows you to set specific material overrides that apply on build time to ANY instance of a material (including in animations) for quest

otherwise, for animations using material swaps, you'd need to make a seperate quest version of the animation that keys the quest versions of the materials

[hazy flax]

but

i used vrquesttools

[wet pier]

Havent gone through this error yet, relatively new to making avatars, what does this mean?

[left gull]

are there any other errors in the console? the ones shown are basically just saying the upload failed (unless you legitimately dont own the ID in the pipleline manager script for some reason)

[wet pier]

figured it out, just had to restart unity

idfk why it was doing that

[glad mural]

Hello all, so, I have an animation which I thought would be fairly easy but many many hours, tutorial videos, and questions later I am starting to realize that isn't the case.

I have a custom emote which I only want to affect the legs of my avatar. I want the hands, torso, neck, and head to be able to move. I'm currently doing something like the screenshot for the actual animation.

I have the animation split between the FX and Action layer for my avatar. Without the mask. Everything triggers flawlessly (sans arms moving ofc).

I created an avatar mask in order to mask out everything for the legs and have it attached to both the FX and Action layers. However, attaching the mask to the action layer seems to break the animation. The legs stop posing in that case. Additionally, no matter what I select on my avatar mask, it doesn't seem to do anything.

I just started avatar development earlier this year so this may be some weirdness with VRChat or maybe something that's not possible. If anyone has any ideas though I'm all ears

[somber sequoia]

You need to use VRC Animator Tracking Control to set any bones you want to animate to "animated" before you can move them around. Set them to "Tracking" in a "reset" state after the animation is done.
Do the leg animation in Action and anything else in FX. No need for a mask in FX.

[misty ridge]

Is uploads working now?

[left gull]

they should be, i was able to upload a model fine about an hour ago

[ornate obsidian]

I have googled and googled and it just WILL NOT WORK. i make all of my toggles by hand to ensure they work properly, and although I have double and triple checked my parameters and that these are set up the same way the working swaps are they refuse to work.
https://medal.tv/games/screen-capture/clips/ld6RjLmgWPLys0DNC?invite=cr-MSxnVDksMzk3MDM1OTUw&v=120 A clip, for help. Please someone tell me what the fuck I did to brick these
I've been at this for an entire hour, by the way, and deleting and remaking the parameters and closing then reopening the project didn't work either

I feel like I'm losing my mind

[somber sequoia]

Can you describe in words what it is we should be looking for in this?

[heavy zephyr]

Only thing I don't see in your video is how your menu/radials are set up, could you screenshot those?

[heavy zephyr]

In short they got matswaps using motion time and radials. Setup seems identical for all of them but only one works.

From what I can tell, all seems correct, only thing missing in the video is how the menu is setup

[somber sequoia]

ah ok

[carmine sage]

hey can anyone help me to upload this wraith avi from mecha that i bought from gumroad? it shows me multiple errors and idk why

[heavy zephyr]

Show the errors, don't ask to ask

[strange saffron]

Does anyone have helpful tutorials on how to add custom animations to your avatar? And do I need to have it pre-baked into the avatar?

[heavy zephyr]

At first glance, seems like you need to import/upgrade vrcfury

[carmine sage]

a new version like the newest? i used the recommented version

[heavy zephyr]

I would suggest looking up tutorials on how to make simple toggles, that should give you the base knowledge on how animations work on avatars

[strange saffron]

Thank you

[heavy zephyr]

Either that or gogo loco might be missing? It's complaining about quite a few things.

[carmine sage]

do i need gogo loco i have fbt?

[heavy zephyr]

If it's part of the avatar, yes. Unless you know how to remove it.

[strange saffron]

I'm mainly getting prop/clothing toggle videos

[carmine sage]

okay i will try it thanks for the help if it still not work can i write u again?

[heavy zephyr]

Yeah, those are all "animations", they simply toggle objects. An animation in unity is simply a file that modifies some properties at some point in time.

[heavy zephyr]

That's what this channel is for, tho it might be someone else answering you

[carmine sage]

okay thank you

First time uploading to my self 😵‍💫 🥲

[strange saffron]

I have a more specific question: how can I make a sound toggle affect leg movement any time the avatar moves legs? And if too annoying I could toggle the sound off?

[heavy zephyr]

You would first need to detect that.

Either by detecting when your avatar is moving using one of the built-in Velocity parameters or by adding receivers on the ground to detect when your feet touch it for example.

For a toggle, all you need is a bool, but you'll need to learn how to build logic first, same for the above.

Finally, you'll have to add an audio source to your avatar and provide it with an audio clip. Your animation would then turn on the object containing your audio source to play the sound, and turn it off when done.

[strange saffron]

Will velocity parameter also get affected by arm movements?

[heavy zephyr]

Velocity parameters only give you the speed at which your avatar is moving in a given direction

[glad mural]

Will try this tomorrow morning thank you so much

[strange saffron]

So will turning also not affect it?

[heavy zephyr]

Nope, turning in place does not make you travel in any direction

If you specifically want a sound every time your legs move, you would need a more complex system involving physbones that follow your legs and can give you the angle difference from their rest position for example.

[strange saffron]

Is there a parameter to detect amount of turn from local center?

[heavy zephyr]

I don't believe so, no

[somber sequoia]

The entire list is here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/

[strange saffron]

Thank you again

[heavy zephyr]

I would highly encourage you to learn basic logic building before attempting something like this but feel free to ask questions

[somber sequoia]

rule #10: don't advertise or solicit here.

[heavy zephyr]

Sus

[somber sequoia]

quite

[strange saffron]

I've had some coding knowledge (did robots in FIRST and VEX back in high school) but I'm not as in touch as I'd like to be. I have done a course on python a while back as well.

VEX was RobotC

[heavy zephyr]

The only thing that translates decently from coding to avatar logic is the concept of variables and conditions.

You cannot use scripts or any form of coding.

Avatar logic happens almost exclusively within the animator and works like a flowchart of sorts. You go from one state to another if conditions are met, each state can play an animation.

[strange saffron]

Makes sense

[ornate obsidian]

Yeah ofc here.
The left one is one of the functional ones, right is one of the dysfunctional ones.
Sorry for the reply delay btw, I was getting some food

[somber sequoia]

Flowchart is a great way of describing the animator.

(finite state machine, but you might need to be a nerd to know that term)

[heavy zephyr]

All seems correct to me, last culprit I can think of is that stupid SDK bug. Are you on SDK version 3.8.2? If so try downgrading to 3.8.1 and see if that fixes your issues.

[ornate obsidian]

I'd also like to note that for some reason the bool toggle also doesnt work, but also has the same settings as all the other bools .

[ornate obsidian]

I am, because isn't that the one that allows you to upload to quest with the new VRC shader? Doesn't it error on the other buildss?

[heavy zephyr]

I don't think so? Let me go check

[ornate obsidian]

Thank you sm 🙏 I heard it errored wwhen trying to upload quest-side with the new shader on anything lower than 3.8.2

[heavy zephyr]

Version 3.8.1 adds the mobile-compatible Toon Standard shader, Udon network events with parameters, exposes several new VRChat-specific classes to Udon (including Camera access and Network Debug Stats), and adds Build & Test for iOS.

This update also allows specifying per-platform overrides for Multi-Platform Build & Publish, and fixes several UI issues in the SDK Control Panel.

3.8.1 should be fine for quest Toon Standard*

[ornate obsidian]

Okay! Give me one second to see if downgrading helpps

[strange saffron]

Going back to this real quick, in Blender I created a bone constraint system for the bells which I admittedly haven't figured out how to translate into Unity just yet, but it exists in the model. The secondary bone on the calf bone only moves a certain angle, limited by range in xyz movement

[heavy zephyr]

Unity has constraints of its own

[strange saffron]

Does it translate into Untiy automatically or do I need to reset them?

[somber sequoia]

Blender constraints won't carry over to Unity

[heavy zephyr]

Good to know, I don't know blender

[somber sequoia]

You'll need to make them anew there. And there aren't limiters, so..

Physbones have limiters though

[strange saffron]

Phys bones do have limiters

I'm not home rn but does phys bones also have distance based limiters?

Because ideally I'd need both

[heavy zephyr]

They have a max stretch value you can give them

[strange saffron]

Perfect!

Thank you all very much I'll mess with the settings and see where to go from there

[ornate obsidian]

Update, finally downgraded to 3.8.1 and went to check the radials.
Unfortunately, they still are not working so I'm still unsure what exactly is wrong 😭

[heavy zephyr]

Mhm... By any chance, can you show me the very first layer of your FX controller?

[ornate obsidian]

UhhhMMMMM YYyyes one second

[undone oracle]

Just wondering is it possible to make loopong animation for gesture expressions? I set it too loop and it works with toggle but not hand gestures

[ornate obsidian]

If you're worried abt weights, they're all set to 1

[heavy zephyr]

Yes, they don't work any differently, check that your logic is correct

[heavy zephyr]

Not the weights, the contents of your first layer please

[ornate obsidian]

Oh! Yeye!

[heavy zephyr]

Okay so no leftover state....

[undone oracle]

Thanks, I’ve got to head now but will do later thanks

[ornate obsidian]

I make sure to do all my animations first and then immediately remove themm from my Base layer. Something something habit

[heavy zephyr]

Okay then last ditch effort, let's isolate the problem. Create a duplicate of your FX controller and delete everything but one of the broken layers. That should tell us if something else might be interfering/overriding it.

[ornate obsidian]

o7

One second!

[ornate obsidian]

OKAY SO
It's definitely something else. I deleted everything except the jeans swap and now it works fine

[heavy zephyr]

Yeah so look at other animations that might be animating the jeans material too. Also make sure you don't have some mixed WD somewhere

[ornate obsidian]

I sssshouldn't?? I don't think? The only other thing animatingg the jeans is the hue shift, lemme check that

[heavy zephyr]

No other errors? Anything in the SDK window? Does your avatar still have an ID attached?

[ornate obsidian]

It's its own animation so it shouldn't be interuppting a material swap, just the one material with the hue shift. I'm not seeing anythingg blatant atm.

[carmine sage]

i got an code after buying it do you mean this?

[heavy zephyr]

You need to check every animation I'm afraid. Anything leftover, even on another layer, could interfere.

[ornate obsidian]

OUGH,,,, okay. Time to hunt 🙏 Will update when done

[heavy zephyr]

No, select the root of your avatar and find the component containing the avatar ID or an empty field for it

[ornate obsidian]

OK SO. SEEMINGLY NOTHING IS COLLIDING??
I'm getting a little mentally exhausted tho now, so, do u mind if I reply to u later when I double check again tomorrow if there's still no fix?

[heavy zephyr]

Maybe it's just some dumb WD thing? Before you go, check all your states and see if they all have the WD checked

[ornate obsidian]

Bet one second

[ornate obsidian]

WD is checked on on everything. I'll double check the animations again tomorrow but, yeah nothing seems to be messing with it?

[heavy zephyr]

Yeah at this point without being able to check myself it's gonna be a doozy. Plus it's almost 4am for me so I'll be going too. But yeah don't hesitate to ping me tomorrow

[ornate obsidian]

Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help. Pls get some rest! <3

[little plume]

i dont even know how to begin to fix this error

it says all my bones are missing but they are defintley there in blender

[somber sequoia]

no, it says the paths to the bones are incorrect

[little plume]

yes and how do i fix that

[somber sequoia]

Rework the animation so it refers to the correct bones, where they are in the hierarchy

they're definitely in a different place than that animation expects

[little plume]

HUH

huh

caps

the animation is made for the model so idk what you mean

[somber sequoia]

hfcRed has an animation repathing tool that's really great for stuff like this

[little plume]

could you link that by chance

[somber sequoia]

yes well it doesn't seem to be, based on that error message.

I don't have the link but that should be enough to find it

[little plume]

both the animation and model are ripped straight from fortnite

https://hfcred.gumroad.com/l/animation-repathing?layout=profile

only 800 downloads?

[somber sequoia]

maybe show the hierarchy, I couldn't tell you more with no more information

[somber meadow]

the animation should be converted to Unity's animator muscle transforms instead then

[little plume]

which hierarchy

[somber sequoia]

oh - good point, I didn't think of that as I never do game rip stuff

[somber sequoia]

Left-most window in Unity by default

but what Blanke said is probably the issue

[little plume]

i dont think you need to see every single one of them that should be enough

these bones have the same names that the error says are missing

oh wait

thats the bones for the animation

the fuck???

the actual model doesnt have bones

im confused

[somber sequoia]

looks like bones to me, but again, as Blanke said, you can't actually animate humanoid bones

[little plume]

i exported it as fbx with bones selected

[little plume]

those bones are the animations bones not the models

[somber sequoia]

The issue with those animation paths is that there is another element above them, TravisScott_ao

[little plume]

so just rename it?

[somber sequoia]

You could rework the paths but again, this is not how you animate humanoid movement for vrchat

[little plume]

your confusing the shit out of me

my actual avatar doesnt seem to have bones

the one thats selected in the hierarchy doesnt even have a drop down to show bones

[somber sequoia]

sure looks like bones there, under TravisScott and under TravisScott_ao, based on the pic you shared of the expanded hierarchy earlier.

[little plume]

but look at the one selected in blue in that image

it doesnt have a drop down

and my character a poses in map

[somber sequoia]

there's no way to tell what sort of object that is from that image

clearly not an armature, I'm guessing a mesh renderer?

[little plume]

are you able to call im confused as shit

[somber sequoia]

nope

[little plume]

oh wait

i might be a dingus

😭

ok so what can ii do to fix it in monkey terms?

[somber sequoia]

what's your actual goal here?

[little plume]

avatar with emote that plays an animatoin i have

and i will later add vfx to it as I make them

[somber sequoia]

rework that animation using muscle animation instead of bone animation

[little plume]

and how would i go about doing that

[somber sequoia]

I'm not actually sure what to give you for a link here, maybe someone else has a tutorial or something for this?

[little plume]

i cant change the animation as its directly from fortnite

and if i rename the bones it doesnt want to work on the model

i can show you what it does if the bones arent correct

ok i have the repathing package installed

says my animation is read only

oh wait

idea

probably wont work but ima try

[strange saffron]

Okay my bells work

Can't get too hyped here

[keen orbit]

does anyone know how to fix this and is it a texture of model issue?

[little plume]

Change the uvs

[keen orbit]

in which way?

[little plume]

Uv mapping

Uv editing tab and select the faces you need to change

[keen orbit]

imma try that (i have no clue what that is)

[junior void]

Why change the uvs

If the seams are meant here, its standard pixel bleeding fixed by dialating the texture

[supple needle]

Does anyone know why my file wont load into unity ?

When I grab the file and drag it in, unity pauses for a few minutes to load. After that nothing happens, my avatar doesn’t appear in the assets nor packages section.

It says “preparing package” then nothing happens

It doesn’t even give me the import option

[trail kite]

when bending legs, they deform strangely. does anyone have a fix?

[limpid cargo]

that is the muscle animation purpose.
for you don’t need a bone names.

[limpid cargo]

possible your leg bone and mesh position are off from eachother

this picture is… not so helpful

[proven python]

See I did that. It isn't greyed out and all it said was "No modules found "when ALL the android shit was on there

[distant sleet]

why when i move the hat moveing too !!!

[dusky patio]

Hey guys, would the Cats Blender Plugin fix avatars not having the shaders /eye textures from LilToon when exported out of unity to blender?

[proven python]

No

[proven python]

Cause you didn't bone it properly..

[dusky patio]

Would there be a way to get the same eye texture the avatar appears to have in unity into blender?

[proven python]

Import the textures Into blender and chuck them on

[dusky patio]

that is very true lol, thanks for the help!

[proven python]

Your good if that doesn't work I'm not to sure but I usually import them then put them on the avatar or I'd do what I need to do in blender and then put textures on in unity that's what I'd recommend doing but up to you really

[dusky patio]

because I wanted the avatar to be a part of an animation that I am doing in blender so im kinda working backwards here,I will try putting them on in blender!

[proven python]

Ahh makes sense

[distant sleet]

Could i give u blend file to check what the problem is?

[proven python]

Right now I'm currently busy, you know how to bone stuff to your avi right.?

Like put it on your head bone and boom

[distant sleet]

Yeah i know

There’s a hat bone should i bone it with it?

[tropic gyro]

you need to have it rigged to your model, in unity if you have vrcfury you can use armature link to do it. otherwise you can drag the hat onto ur head bone in ur armature.

[dusky patio]

okay you were so right, for some reason the eyes are matched to god knows what that is on the UV map, the colours literally matched the iris so I just assumed it was something wrong with the shaders

[proven python]

Haha nah your good it looks better now though

[distant sleet]

I have vrcfury ill try it in my free time then tell u if it fix or not

[limpid cargo]

i don’t know what “bone it” is that person says… this often happens when weight painting is incorrect. if the hat is attach to your armature, please check the “vertex group” in the hat is only “head” bone (maybe your head bone is different name, but apply only head bone)
and this, please check in a hat’s modifiers for only 1 armature modifier. if 2 or more 2, remove extra

[undone oracle]

does anyone know what this means?

[timber wharf]

dont use test builds for android

just upload it normally

[dusty ether]

Has anyone had this problem? The arm looks fine in Blender but when I import it to unity as a fresh upload the elbow kinda moves up for some reason?

If I apply visual geometry to mesh then it fixes it, but also kills all my blendshapes. But I don't have any blendshapes that do this (and removing blendshapes on import doesn't change anything)

Okay, it's definitely something with the armature

[little plume]

i dont understand

i just need this model to play the animation

idec of it plays walking animations atm

the way you are explaining it is only confusing me more

i just need to make it work ;-;

[limpid cargo]

convert the animation to using muscle animation
it solves issue “bone name not matching”

[limpid cargo]

i’m using translating english. sorry.

[little plume]

And how do I do that?

Telling me to do something without linking documentation/guides doesn't help because I have no fucking clue what you're talking about

[limpid cargo]

google and youtube …
“unity muscle animation”
let’s not be rude.

[little plume]

No im just saying I cant understand what your talking about because ive never heard of it and need official vrchat documentation or someone else's guide explaining it

[limpid cargo]

then go find it.

[little plume]

This search just tells you how to make big buff oiled up furry avatars

All these videos just show you how to make literal muscles

If it helps my avatar is stuck in an a pose in-game too and won't play vrchats official animations

[warm adder]

there must be some problem with the rigging

[little plume]

I didn't change it from the models official rig

The model is poseable

[ornate stump]

Have you set the model rig as humanoid in the fbx import settings?

[little plume]

Yes and I cant work on this until I get home later today

[ornate stump]

Also go there and make sure that there isn't any error showing in the menu.

[little plume]

Well I may have to change it back to humanoid I reimported the fbx but I did do it before and it still never played animation

On what part of the hierarchy do I put the animator and descriptor

[ornate stump]

Just double check again when you can work on it. There is no need for further "it doesn't work" statement.

[little plume]

It just dont work tho what else can I say

I can show you the exact errors when im home tho

[ornate stump]

We are in diagnosis step of why it doesn't work, so we actually need more detail than just saying it doesnt' work.

[little plume]

According to vrcfury putting the toggle on the .ao might fix the emote not being able to find the bones but for vrchats official animations they cant help bc its not vrcfury related

[ornate stump]

If the model stays T-pose at all time, it isn't about vrcfury. Come back again when you can actually get more detail from it.

[little plume]

Yeah I know vrcfury has nothing to do with it being stuck in the default pose im just saying they couldn't help with that in their server since it isnt a vrcfury issue

[misty ridge]

eeh my avi is stuck in queue and then it turns into a robot hhh

[pearl fable]

I've been trying to use toggles to switch the sitting animation on my seat. It however only lets me use the main state animation, any other transitions never occur. Is this not allowed? why is it even and animator controller if I can only put a single animation??

[true haven]

security checks pending here as well guh

[pearl fable]

I've done this on purpose once. I parented a bone to itself, resulting in an infinite loop the game couldn't process lol. No idea what it exactly is in your case

[misty ridge]

soo.. is the security check a new thing? like am i supposed to wait for like 2 hours just to update my avi

[pearl fable]

Nope, security check failure means there is something wrong on the avi or something went wrong on the upload. No need to wait

[misty ridge]

oof

[true haven]

servers are fucked again#

aparently same issue was happenin to many ppl yesterday

[pearl fable]

That could be a problem too

I just uploaded my avi and it's fine though so idk

[distant sleet]

it doesnt work the whole avi is glitched

[misty ridge]

hhh yeah i had the problem yesterday as well then it gets fixed and like literally the second i need to fix an imperfection it becomes like this agen ffssss

[pearl fable]

Nvm, it is definitely the servers. I just reuploaded again and it's doing the same thing

[daring lava]

anyone had this error when using the audiolink prefab recently? im just trying to play any youtube video in play mode to test audiolink as one usually would, but it wont play

[hard lichen]

happening to me too, and its not the security thing, since i've uploaded this exact avatar literally yesterday

[misty ridge]

weel it was broken, then it was fixed, then it brok agen

[misty ridge]

like i hope the brchet team is aware of this issue 🥲

pein

[hard lichen]

absoulute nothing loads and it sasys "avatar is not supported on this platform" when its windows

[misty ridge]

xD yeasss

[exotic steppe]

have the same thing happening to me

[hard lichen]

welp

[exotic steppe]

all i can really do to test avatars now is to build and test

[hard lichen]

devs broke the server again lol

[exotic steppe]

Anyways I have a bit of a weird issue. Whenever I jump the hips, torso and limbs of the avatar turn in the opposite direction of where i am jumping.

[misty ridge]

i mean like i hope it didnt just fix itself last night bc that would mean the devs arent aware of the servers being

[exotic steppe]

probably a rigging issue but i have no idea how to fix this. Some guy on a server advised using physbones but that hasnt really helped thus far.

[limpid cargo]

possibly is your bone names incorrectly (like L/R is wrong?)
or facing back direction?

is it your model?

[amber rose]

Had 2 people yesterday come to me with security checks fail, and 2 people today are talking about it in another avi server im in

I think its a vrchat bug

[exotic steppe]

I used one from gmod

[amber rose]

(Like when they broke the 2fa a week ago)

[exotic steppe]

l/r isnt wrong as far as i know

[proven quail]

server issue, happened yesterday too

[exotic steppe]

when i looked in the bone hierarchy everything seemed alright

[limpid cargo]

game rig is a little complicate… for vrchat, can need a different setup

i don’t know anymore, maybe someone else can help!!!

[exotic steppe]

only thing is that the head isnt connected to the shoulders

[proven quail]

what does that mean

is head nested under neck?

in armature

[exotic steppe]

yes

read somewhere that head needs to be parented with shoulders

[proven quail]

let me pull up an example armature real quick, the shoulders should be parented under Chest along with the neck

[exotic steppe]

really new to avatar creation as a whole so excuse me if im a bit obtuse

[exotic steppe]

neck and shoulders are parented under chest

[proven quail]

ur good it might be difficult to properly convert a gmod avi to vrchat as a first timer, but lets see what we can do

Do you have any custom locomotion on the avi?

[exotic steppe]

not that im aware of

[pearl fable]

You should check the humanoid import configuration to make sure left and right are correctly set as left and right

[timid terrace]

How do I fix this FBX import error ? I've never seen this before and the rig setup does not show any toe slots I could fill or remove

[exotic steppe]

it seems to be correct as far as i can tell

left leg is on the left if thats what you mean

[timid terrace]

Nvm changing to generic and back to Humanoid fixed it. Lmao

[proven quail]

check the model rig and see if unity has the left leg assigned to the left leg on the humanoid rig

make sure the Right shoulder is the right shoulder bone etc

[exotic steppe]

seems to be the case

[proven quail]

ok, lets take a look at the playable layers. Any custom animators?

this will be on the avatar descriptor

[exotic steppe]

i have a blinking when grounded and ungrounded and vimese 2d animations

but apart from that nothing

[proven quail]

so locomotion is default, so it shouldnt be turning your hips and such weirdly when jumping

[exotic steppe]

dont think theyre the causes either because I have version of this avatar without the animations

[proven quail]

your fx is probably fine, more important was the Base, Action, etc

you have any physbones?

[exotic steppe]

no

one guy suggested i add them to fix it

didnt work

[proven quail]

hmm this is a weird issue

[exotic steppe]

am i allowed to post pictures of the avatar here?

[proven quail]

i think so, yeah

[exotic steppe]

its not nsfw or anything

this happens when im coruching so maybe it is the bones being mislabeled?

but the torso twists as well?

[proven quail]

So in the armature, 'Right shoulder' is on the avatar's right side, which would be your left when facing the avatar in the scene, correct?

[exotic steppe]

yes

[proven quail]

ok so the bones themselves seem fine. Any rotation constraints or parent constraints in the armature?

[exotic steppe]

tried fixing the avatar by adding vrc rotation constraints like a day ago and t hen completely forgot about it

but i dont think thats the cause

the issue predates this "solution"

[proven quail]

I would remove it anyways. I think I remember having a similar issue with humanoid bones rotating in ways they arnt supposed to

it could be something that needs a blender fix. I'm trying to rememeber exactly what I did

It was something about the rotation of the bone being set to a non-zero value, and I had to like 'recalibrate' or something like that to keep the bone positions and rotations while setting the values to 0.

[exotic steppe]

oh right

[proven quail]

I'm going to open blender and see if I can find the setting or what I did

[exotic steppe]

so im guessign this rotation aint normal

[proven quail]

no those are fine and such, its the blender values

i think

let be get back into unity too

[exotic steppe]

just making sure because every bone seems to be rotated while in tpose

[ornate stump]

I can't really see hips bone or spine bone on the model in this image. Is either one of them overlapped by spine or chest bone?

[proven quail]

ok its these values in blender

import your model into bender and click a bone to check these values

[ornate stump]

The very short hips bone might be the problem.

[ornate stump]

That would mean spine is overlapping on hips bone making it very short. This could interfere with bone angle calculation.

[proven quail]

click on the armature and put it in edit mode. then view the location and rotation of a single bone

[exotic steppe]

no idea how to edit bones at this point

[proven quail]

hmm so they do seem to have a small rotation

[ornate stump]

By the way, you are pointing at "3D cursor" location, which doesn't have effect on anything other than operation in blender. And bone doesn't have rotation in blender in edit mode, other than roll.

[proven quail]

let me look up the solution real quick, theres a way to keep position + rotation while setting the values to 0, making a new default

[exotic steppe]

so i decided to try looking ato the model in wireframe the hip bone looks a bit weird

[ornate stump]

Just move starting point of spine bone up. If you can't see because it's inside the model, then enable "In Front" from armature settings in the property panel.

[ornate stump]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/377176391667417090/984212147317923890/unknown.png?ex=68de4a3d&is=68dcf8bd&hm=9993527ef5b58a03ba13602989326316ff77a2e35ecb4648ae3270a8d8b078b6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=846&height=759 This is how it should be.

[exotic steppe]

sorry a bit of a dumb question

how do i move them?

[ornate stump]

Move tool. At the left side.

[exotic steppe]

so ill try scaling down the spine and moving it up a bit and scaling up the hips?

otherwise spine intersects with chest

[ornate stump]

Just however you make it look like in this image

[exotic steppe]

im guessing one of the three bones below chest is upper chest because i dont have it

[ornate stump]

Keep your chest bone the same.

[ornate stump]

Hips bone must point up.

[ornate stump]

And starting of hips bone must be above starting of leg bones.

[proven quail]

the upside down hip bone could have been the problem the entire time

[exotic steppe]

trying my best

ill try exporting and setting everything up

[ornate stump]

Probably fine now.

[exotic steppe]

ill try it out now

big thanks to both of you

[distant sleet]

it didnt work im feeling bad

[tardy locust]

Is there any way to see real time effects of physbone changes to make it easier to calibrate them?

[ornate stump]

Just test in play mode.

[tardy locust]

In unity?

[ornate stump]

Play mode only is in unity yes.

[exotic steppe]

just tested it

works great

[late heath]

it's probably not too difficult, but how should you go about rigging flip flops/slippers to not move with the heel?

oh wait i probably shouldve asked this in avatar rigging
its probably ok

[somber sequoia]

ooh that'll be a neat effect

[limpid cargo]

ah that’s so cool !!!

[stoic dew]

does anyone know a way to subdevide and smooth so it will look like it has more polys?

[grand scaffold]

You'll want to start by turning those tris into quads to keep it clean, Alt+J should do most the work but you'll likely have to do some manual work to keep the edge loops correct, then you can use a subdivision modifier to subdivice as usual

[strange saffron]

Adjust the weightpaint so the toes have slightly more influence on the shoe than the heel does

[late heath]

how much do the toes curl inward with ik (if at all)? that is really my only concern with doing it that way 😭 i'd rather not have the heel clip into the sole of the shoe

[stoic dew]

how do i stop it from going away from the corners?

[late heath]

select your edges and press shift+e to edge crease, either that or add another loopcut with ctrl+r and dissolve unneeded edgeloops later if applying subdivision surface

[limpid cargo]

if you do that,
i want to say reduce foot bone influence. (around yellow to green) it will stay down more

[late heath]

ill see what works when i get to that stage, thank you

[final kiln]

can anyone tell me why this is happening?

[somber meadow]

Your main avatar object has a missing script, either remove it or find what scripts you didn’t import that avatar needs

[shrewd merlin]

It's not even possible to get to this without agreeing to the ownership agreement. What causes this?

Was only able to upload with CloudFlare WARP from some previous thread suggestions. Doesn't make sense to me, but ok.

[little plume]

got a new error that wasnt there before

idk why this is happening it wasnt happening before

[balmy barn]

way too many spines

[little plume]

you responding to me?

this error wasnt here before idk what happened

spine 4 is technically the chest

if i change the names of the bones on my model my animation is gonna break

[timber wharf]

you have 6 bones before neck. should be 4 ( or 3)

[little plume]

i cant help how fortnite makes their models

if i change it theres not gonna be any animations

[timber wharf]

well, you cant help what unity/vrc expects either. merge bones etc

[somber sequoia]

yeah you don't have a choice here if you want VRChat to consider that a humanoid rig

[little plume]

whats strange is i wasnt getting that error before

im confused why im getting it now

[balmy barn]

just merge the bones in blender

[somber sequoia]

then you were doing something different before, or using a generic rig

[little plume]

and how do i do that?

[spark walrus]

tried messing around with animation/animator.. and now getting error "unable to obtain default vrc animation layer asset" and not sure what the heck i did...

[little plume]

dude i dont need this model to even play the walking animations i plan on having a seperate model for that

i just need this one to act kindof like a prop that plays the official fortnite animations from the event

how do I do that?

[somber sequoia]

make it a generic rig, maybe it'll work

[little plume]

still getting that error

wait i didnt apply

im a dingus

ok ill make a different model as the actual avatar with a more vrchat friendly rig

lets see if i can play the animatons now

[timber wharf]

@spark walrus perhaps you messed with packages folder (and youre not supposed to, copy stuff to assets then edit), try to switch sdk version one lower, open once, then back

[spark walrus]

yeah exactly what i did.. thx... trying now

[little plume]

yoo he plays the event animations

now i just gotta figure out how to make him teleport around n shit and face the right direction

lemme upload to quest too rq

[spark walrus]

fixed, thanks for your help

[fleet plank]

Hey all, have any of you run into an issue where you change a blendshape and then when you click on VRC SDK, it reverts back all the blendshape changes? It also reverts back the changes to materials on the avatar as well.

[somber sequoia]

yeah - I've had this with SDK 3.8, super buggy for me. 3.7.x doesn't have this issue

[halcyon kayak]

not exactly but i frequently encounter opening SDK turns my Animator off lol

i assume the changes you're making aren't in Play mode, which would also revert most changes

[fleet plank]

You assume correctly

[fleet plank]

Yep it was the SDK, reverted back to 3.7.3 and works perfectly fine

[somber sequoia]

yup, extremely frustrating. I haven't looked for a canny report yet, but I've done a LOT of testing of this in the poiyomi discord since I though it was their problem at first, but nope, it's definitely SDK 3.8+

I wasn't really sure what to search canny for

[sweet crypt]

how do i fix this my avatar keeps failing

[somber sequoia]

if this is the first time you're uploading this avatar, check to see if there's a blueprint ID in the Pipeline component on the root of your avatar. If not 🤷‍♂️

[sweet crypt]

there isnt i checked thats why im hella confused

[somber sequoia]

any blockers in the SDK build report?

[little plume]

my avatar is only playing animatons for me, but for everyone else, it only plays the first frame and gets stuck on it

[sweet crypt]

no and its the second prodject i made

[somber sequoia]

301k, yow.

but okay, no idea why that's not working then.

[sweet crypt]

im so confused lol

[left gull]

save project and re-open it then attempt upload again, it might just be buggy or will hopefully atleast throw proper errors in the console

or see if any of the yellow warnings are saying anything worthwhile

[dapper matrix]

Trying to create a hue shift slider toggle using the liltoon shader, and so far the only tutorial covering it has led to no result for me
Does anyone else happen to know what the name of the hue shift property in liltoon is?

[ornate stump]

Liltoon property named can be checked by holding Alt key and see in the material settings.

[dapper matrix]

so I did have it right initially, I guess my other issue is, considering the hue shift slider ranges from -0.5 to 0.5 and not 0 to 1, should I set x as 0.5 rather than 1?

since I have had no luck with it being set to 1

[verbal latch]

i've only ever used vrc fury how do i make regular toggles without it

[ornate stump]

It would work either way because of how hue is calculated. It just started at different color.

[ornate stump]

https://vrcfury.com/components/toggle

[dapper matrix]

In that case, I don't know if I have a bug at the moment, since it appears I am just doing everything correctly, but there's no change in testing
Meanwhile any other property like simply setting a color at 100% works just fine

[ornate stump]

How did you record the animation?

[dapper matrix]

I didn't, or at least I don't make any animations, I just use vrcfury toggle to make a slider where, at 100%, hue shift is at 1
I know this works for Poiyomi just fine, but I'm not using that shader so I can have access to the fur shader for this avatar's outfits

[ornate stump]

What property name you put in the vrcfury?

[dapper matrix]

_MainTexHSVG, it's the first that comes up when I search "Hue"

[ornate stump]

Liltoon stores hue in vector4 format along with saturate, value, and gamma. That means _MainTexHSVG is actually shared in 4 properties. You will have to actually put _MainTexHSVG.x to set hue value. But the next problem is gamma stored in _MainTexHSVG.w must be 1 so you have to find a way to constantly set it to 1.

[dapper matrix]

Hm, I'll add .x then and see if that's the case, since idk if I would actually have to make sure .w is set to 1 while it's being unaffected lol

welp, unfortunately no change in testing-

[ornate stump]

Setting .x alone would reset .w to zero because the result vector would be (1,0,0,0). I'm not sure if vrcfury actually account for this issue but you should try it.

[dapper matrix]

set the property to _MainTexHSVG.x with x=1, still nothing happens in testing

[ornate stump]

If it stays black, that because it reset w to zero.

[dapper matrix]

Oh it doesn't go black at all, it just doesn't change anything trying to slide it to 100%

[ornate stump]

What color is it initially?

[dapper matrix]

Let me get screenshots real quick

Before and after (50% should turn the hair blue)
And the current state of the toggle component

[ornate stump]

It actually inputting as vector already so don't put .x after the name, and set w to 1

[dapper matrix]

Went back to _MainTexHSVG and set w=1, still nothing-

[ornate stump]

Can you still slide the hue slider in material while testing? Select the hair and see its material below.

[dapper matrix]

Yep, that works perfectly fine (Working with just the one hair asset before I continue)

[sweet crypt]

imma yeet myself the cliff with this avatr rn idk why it keeps saying i need to clear my blueprint when nothing is in it

[ornate stump]

Do that while testing in gesture manager that's what I meant.

[dapper matrix]

o my bad, hold on a sec

[ornate stump]

You have to see other errors above that one.

[dapper matrix]

I'm guessing slider doesn't look like it's moving, but yes, I can still change hue in testing

[ornate stump]

Is that a different hair from what you put in hue toggle?

[ornate stump]

Is that actually when testing with gesture manager?

[dapper matrix]

Now that I'm noticing it, that is just the rest of Nemesis hair, the back hair isn't being changed, probably because of the vrcfury property right now

Also using gesture manager gets me the result in reply

[sweet crypt]

any idea how to fix?

[ornate stump]

Can you still change hue in the hair material from the scene while testing with gesture manager?

[dapper matrix]

so change both the toggle and the material property at the same time?

[ornate stump]

Failed to upload mean uploading got interrupted in progress. So you might just keep trying again. Also another cause is the thumbnail image is invalid and you have to use another image for thumbnail.

[sweet crypt]

TY :_:

[ornate stump]

I wanted to confirm that something is controlling the hue or not while testing. If you can't move slider in material setting while testing, that mean something is in control of that properties. And if you can still move the slider, that mean nothing is controlling the property.

[dapper matrix]

oof, this is just getting weirder by the minute, but changing the hue shift property before I use gesture manager does fix the issue for some reason-

[ornate stump]

Changing to what property?

[dapper matrix]

also yes, the slider doesn't move in the property, confirming that suspicion

[somber sequoia]

Hilariously this just hit me - I thought I'd pinned that SDK version but I must have upgraded it when I wasn't looking, and I just had my open project screwed up.

[dapper matrix]

Hue shift as to be expected

seriously weird though, using gesture manager first doesn't work, but as soon as I even touch the hue shift property, it suddenly works

Ok, so I found a fix, and it's kinda stupid, but setting the hue shift before testing to an obscure value like 0.0001 fixes the problem outright
I'll probably have to file a bug report to liltoon in hopes that they can fix the issue in later versions

thank you @ornate stump for helping me out

[somber sequoia]

this seems to be the closest bug report I can find re: 3.8.x breaking with Poiyomi and other related things:
https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/sdk-382-affecting-emissions-of-poiyomi

[jaunty aspen]

I'm trying to add an outfit to my avatar, but it does not want to link up. It's a bit of an older model, but should that affect it?

[somber sequoia]

how are you adding this?

[jaunty aspen]

slapped the fit on my model, then used VRCfury's armeture link on the fit

it is using the correct hips

no idea what i'm doing wrong, just did what every tutorial seems to say to do

oh well, it seems i got it to work with another method

[limpid cargo]

(using quest) is particle shader changed recently?

[thorny plaza]

(pc, non vr)
i'm looking for some starter tuts for creation and editing avatars
so, whether that's links here, or youtubers, or text resources. I'll take it all, just looking to potentially ask less questions after i learn a bit more. build basic knowledge first
please ping/reply with any help you can give
[i recently acquired assets for an avatar and want to do some basic to major edits to it, color changes, add features or items, minor facial scupting, these are the goals]
any help is appreciated!!!!

[jaunty aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss5s26UQaAQ&list=PLhhYqhAX2hIIlNhzUA-HyhZbBnls0K5Vb I used these tuts back in the day and they're pretty good.

[left gull]

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1139228456090087495 is pretty helpful

[astral pelican]

somoene please help i cant stop getting this when i go into play mode or trying to build

[jaunty aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUqQw6VpFP8 This is a video i watched a long time ago that was really helpful for understanding some shortcuts and all that. It's probably most useful fresh outta the donut tutorial, and i'd even say it's a little more advanced, but it is absolutely worth a watch

a tip if you havent watched the donut tutorial: take breaks from it, delete your old donut, then work your way back to where you left off without the tutorial

[eternal dew]

how do i fix this

[little plume]

on my avatar i have a custom animation, for me it plays correctly but for everyone else it seems to only play the first frame

[distant sleet]

what is the method

[slow panther]

im fighting for my life with these clipping planes

any suggestions

ive tried using f, turning it down to 0 - changing from iso to perspective

tried double clicking on smaller objects

[fiery crow]

double click the object in the hierarchy then zoom in

[slow panther]

im giggling that was so silly tysm it worked

[fiery crow]

no idea how or why it works

[slow panther]

i double clicked on every single item but that which makes this even more silly

idk why either

[limpid cargo]

help please

[fiery crow]

dont use that for avatar meshes

most of the time it wont even show up on quest and will just be nothing

quest isnt supposed to really have transparency

[limpid cargo]

it has worked every time, until now

i think it's a new update issue

[fiery crow]

tested ingame quest or on pc?

[limpid cargo]

in game quest

[fierce glen]

how do I lower the size?

[limpid cargo]

reduce texture size, remove meshes

remove blendshapes

animations

[fierce glen]

-_-

bro

[limpid cargo]

increase texture compression mode (for android)

[fierce glen]

lowkey I need to shave 20 gigs off withiout gutting the avatar

[limpid cargo]

i dont know what that means

but, non-destructive methods (not removing anything from avatar):

reduce texture size, increase texture compression mode (android), remove unused blendshapes

[fierce glen]

how

[limpid cargo]

reduce texture size:
find the texture
look in inspector
change size lower

texture compression mode:
find the texture
look at "platform overrides"
select android
change the compression to more than 4x4

remove unused blendshapes:
go to blender
find mesh
open shape keys section
remove that is not being used
reimport to unity

[fierce glen]

I can't do the blender part but can do the first two

tooo laggy

[limpid cargo]

good luck. vrchat have limits is reason.

[little plume]

maybe making him not go so far underground during his animations might fix it

ill try to import this after I make some adjustments

[little plume]

when you compile an avatar it only compiles assets actually used correct?

[limpid cargo]

that is the goal

[sullen nacelle]

So i made an animation for my avatar on blender and put it on unity, now how do i make it as an animation where it goes from Idle --> animation --> idle again without it just ending on the last pose on the animation
and how would i make it toggle with another animation, like having the animation play when i toggle a VFX anim or an object on and off anim

[somber sequoia]

two states in the animation layer, transitions go from entry -> idle -> animation, then back to idle.

[sullen nacelle]

i tried that but then it just glitches, like when i make an animation layer do i add a new state as the idle or is there something else i can add

[somber sequoia]

you add a new state, yes.

[sullen nacelle]

do i keep these all the same?

[somber sequoia]

if that's what you want, sure

[sullen nacelle]

im just trying to make it so it works, cause last time i did it it just kept twiching and if i tried using a default vrchat anim like a wave it would play it out, but then it would freeze at the last frame of the animation and not go back to idle

[proven python]

RIGHT THIS SHIT IS FUCKING ME OFF NOW! THIS SHIT IS HAPPENING WHEN I HAVE IT ALL! INSTALLED. Please someone help me before I break something bro

even more proof

[little plume]

Try actually enabling the package tho

[proven python]

How?

[little plume]

Just bc its installed doesn't mean its enabled

[proven python]

I thought it was enabled automatically??

[proven python]

In VCC?

[little plume]

Manage project on vcc

[little plume]

Yes

[proven python]

Where?

[little plume]

Oh well idk

Maybe unity is bugged

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven python]

Only bugged for me??

I've installed this stuff 5 times already.

Can anyone else tell me?

[somber sequoia]

you don't install android support in vcc

[little plume]

Try checking if its installed for the unity version in unity hub if you haven't already

[peak dagger]

Does anyone know how to dissolve twist bones without it messing up the armature and making the bones very big? (Or if the bones being huge isnt a problem?) I am using Nyakoh's space base and it has twist bones everywhere on it, i deleted them without dissolving them and it made the elbows pull and stay stuck like it was weight painted badly... I'm having trouble fitting clothes to the model bc the items won't weight paint with the twist bones there. If the twist bones aren't a problem and dont need to be removed then I am just having weight painting problems which I still don't know how to fix. I've used data transfer, robust weight painting and doing it by hand aswell. Any help that can be offered would be amazing!

[inland gyro]

some non-blender tricks you can try:
reduce textures sizes by selecting the texture, enabling override for android, and using 1024 or lower for all textures
use d4rk's avatar optimizer to remove unused blendshapes
atlas materials using AAO if you have more than 4 materials
simplify meshes with Meshia to get under at most 50k polygons (optimally 20k polygons)

unfortunately, dont cut corners. uploading to android isnt meant to be effortless

[river python]

So im trying to get pc avatar and the quest version linked so questied see that version but keep getting security check failed and its a robot and breaks the pc version 2

[inland gyro]

what are the performance stats on quest?

[inland gyro]

your avatar is likely failing security checks because of these stats. you're really far above the very poor limits so vrchat might think youre attempting to upload a crasher or the like :p
try using some of the performance tools i suggested a few messages up

particularly you have too many polygons, so try https://booth.pm/ja/items/6944218

[proven python]

Anyone able to help me out idk why it's doing this...

[river python]

that a free tool?

[inland gyro]

yeah, the free version is good

just needs modular avatar in the project as well

[proven python]

You have an answer for my isue?

[river python]

?

[inland gyro]

this doesnt generally cause issues, but you can fix it by reparenting the bones in blender