avatar-help

[compact dust]

cus it doesnt know what's supposed to be bent how

[dreamy warren]

what does the weight painting have to do with how the legs and body are connected tho?

[compact dust]

because weight painting controls how stuff is connected, basically

[shut trellis]

Doesn’t know this avatar name

[night ember]

#1138520828556890214

[lyric elk]

Is there any way possible to make a shader toggle with vrc fury, not a material swap?

[desert elk]

1. Is it connected properly in Blender?
2. Did you apply transforms before exporting from Blender?
3. Do you have it set up as humanoid in unity?
4. Definitely fix the weight painting manually, go into pose mode in Blender and make sure everything works properly. Also show your bones set up, cause it may not be correct for humanoid - that could be why it doesn't play animations

[lyric elk]

Wait nvm I got it

Sorry

[solid fjord]

Would somebody be willing to get in call with me to help me figure out uploading an avatar from a unitypackage to VRChat? It's pretty much my first time ever trying anything like this, and I have no experience with Unity. I think I managed to get all the tools already, I just can't figure out putting them together and uploading them.

Notice: The avatar is NSFW.

So an alternate server will be needed, since it isn't allowed here.

I have tried following tutorials, but they confuse me

Especially because I run into issues that the tutorials don't address.

[desert elk]

import the unitypackage + every other needed, like shaders and stuff
either open the scene or drag the prefab to the hierarchy (whatever your avatars comes as)
upload

done

if you have any errors just send them here and people will help

oh btw, you need an official vrc account that's trust rank new user or higher to upload

[solid fjord]

I am.

[desert elk]

okay, you said you're running into issues, if you explain them people will be easier able to figure out what's going on

[solid fjord]

Thing is, I'm not really sure what the issues are, I'm just overall confused even with the tutorials showing me what to do

[desert elk]

okay, yeah, no I can't help with that

[solid fjord]

What is this

I have VRCFury installed

[desert elk]

did you install the face tracking prefab?

[solid fjord]

What, where's that at

Should it come with the asset I'm installing?

[desert elk]

I don't know, I didn't make the avatar. Should be in the instructions or the website selling page

[trail burrow]

uhhh. updated the sdk. now getting this error? this has never been an issue before

[solid fjord]

All it says is import VRCFury for stuff involving that part. But like, I have the tool, and it shows in the editor. But I don't know how to move the tool to assets

[desert elk]

that's for quest

quest has a limit of 8

if you're over the limit, all phsybones will be deleted

[trail burrow]

this is saying a prefab named 'vrcfury - face tracking - UE Blendshapes' is missing. you need to find that prefab or install it.

[trail burrow]

i'm building to windows.

will not let me upload

[desert elk]

idk how the new sdk works, but could simply be a mistake because now it allows to upload 2 versions at the same time

make sure your editor is in the windows version

and reopen unity

[trail burrow]

done and done

[desert elk]

huh that's weird than

maybe someone else will know

[trail burrow]

may be an SDK bug

i'll just bump down a version

[solid fjord]

Why does poiyomi keep doing stuff, it's interfering with me fixing the stuff VRCSDK is telling me to fix

[ornate stump]

What even is the "stuff"?

[solid fjord]

Compiling shaders

But like, it's been doing it on and off

How do I make an object the child of another object? VRCSDK is telling me the lower arm is not the child of the upper arm

[ornate stump]

It's normal though? Every shader needs to be compiled.

[desert elk]

not a child or not the first child

there's difference

between those two

[solid fjord]

first child

Oh wait, it also says OR hand is not first child of lower arm

[desert elk]

you can ignore it if you're not planning on using full body tracking or if you're not having issues in game

[desert elk]

.

if you need it to be correct for whatever reason, you'll need to use blender

[solid fjord]

Fck

Ok

[karmic basalt]

Does anyone knows why I cant change the values of Physbones in Play testing after the update? No matter what value i change it doesnt reflect on the avatar until i exit and enter playmode again.

[night ember]

have you tried disabling and reenabling the physbone component

[open spindle]

In unity when in play mode physbones wont update like ill change something and it won't show

Also gravity fall off will not work

[gray fractal]

These four buttons that say "Model | Rig | Animation | Materials" aren't in Unity's inspector on my end. What's wrong?

I have to remap the bones because I get that shoulder error.

[ornate stump]

The doc is showing the selection of fbx file, while what you're selecting is an original prefab file.

[gray fractal]

There's no FBX file. I'm trying to convert my VRM VTuber avatar into a VRChat avatar.

[balmy barn]

blender

[gray fractal]

inb4 legal rights discourse surrounding VRM avatars, I don't want to hear it

[ornate stump]

Conversion of vrm in unity don't have fbx file, and conversion often results incorrectly.

Which mean you can't really fix it just in unity.

[gray fractal]

Have you ported a VRM model to VRChat before?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[desert elk]

so have I, you use Blender for that

https://youtu.be/6ITTI5KwC3o?si=jpCD2bwOn57PqY_Q

4 minutes and done

free and painless 👍

[desert elk]

mm however according to that, you may be talking about a different VRM than we are talking about

[gray fractal]

"Blender" and "painless" never belong in the same sentence, unless it's something like "If you think Blender is painless, it's not, you're just desensitized to the pain"

[desert elk]

do whatever you want

if you're talking about something that you get from for example VRoid Studio

follow that tutorial

[gray fractal]

Keeking this

[desert elk]

if you try, it's not that hard

you don't even need to press that many buttons

or understand how blender works tbh

[gray fractal]

I've been alive for 26 years, and never once have I used Blender successfully, and not for lack of trying

[desert elk]

🤷 idk what else to say

[gray fractal]

I've exported, like, super rudimentary 3D objects for a simple game

and that's it

ugh, I really do not want to use Blender

[ornate stump]

Not much other choice.

[gray fractal]

Okay, I looked at this and at 27 seconds in I'm already lost. There's no way to open a VRM on Blender

File > Import > VRM isn't there

Okay so I skipped back and it says I need an add-on?

[ornate stump]

Obviously yes.

[desert elk]

5 seconds

into the video

step 3

[gray fractal]

I hate it when people say "obviously" about something that's extremely arcane

[desert elk]

👍

it's in the video, so it should be obvious

[gray fractal]

Also the Blender I have is apparently v2 so I have to also install v4

[desert elk]

if you have a very old blender you should def upgrade

newer versions have less bugs and more add ons are compatible with them

[gray fractal]

This should work, right

[desert elk]

yed

yes

that's the one I use as well

[brave rock]

any idea why everything but my avatars feet is backwards ingame but is normal in unity???

[desert elk]

did you apply all transforms in blender?

and what way is it facing in unity?

the model

[brave rock]

i did not make the model, how do i check?

[desert elk]

to check would be to do it again

if you didn't have the model

[brave rock]

i dont know how to really show you sorry, but its just the normal way everything else imports

[gray fractal]

How do I install the CATS Blender plugin? Like, what do I do with the ZIP file on Blender?

[desert elk]

first, keep it zipped

[brave rock]

i have the blend file

for the model

[desert elk]

Edit > Preferences > Add-ons
top right of the window, click the arrow and "from disk" or something similar
select the cats zip

make sure cats is ticked

you may need to restart blender if it doesn't show up right away

[gray fractal]

I managed to do it, but there are a bunch of "policy violation" warnings. Is it safe to ignore this?

[desert elk]

that's normal

if you wanna read on why, there's information about it on the cats website

[gray fractal]

Thank you for the help, I'm going to have to work on dinner now so I'll probably be gone for now

Will definitely return for help when something goes wrong

[desert elk]

🫡

I'll go eat smth too

[brave rock]

still confused...

[ornate stump]

Because in unity you didn't test it, so no animation got applied on the model so it stay TPose and just "look correct".

[brave rock]

im confused?

i did test it before i uploaded

[ornate stump]

With gesture manager?

[brave rock]

yes

[ornate stump]

How does it look like?

[brave rock]

the same

backwards

[ornate stump]

Then that isn't "normal in unity".

[brave rock]

well it is in the editor 💔

[ornate stump]

Did you edit the model in blender?

[brave rock]

this is a commissioned model so i didnt do anything

but i have the blend file

[ornate stump]

That means the model is facing incorrect direction.

[brave rock]

okay so what should i do then?

[ornate stump]

The model must face -Y direction in blender, with zero on all rotation.

[brave rock]

here?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[brave rock]

then it already is

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the whole blender screen?

[brave rock]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[ornate stump]

Then the next thing to check is bone left and right side, which determine left/right from perspective of the model.

[brave rock]

okay how do i do that

im not experienced in blender sry

i know very little

[ornate stump]

Just click on arm bone and see the bone name if it's for left arm or right arm.

[brave rock]

okay, it seems the left arm is called upperarmR and so on, vise versa

do i switch all the names to the respective L and R?

[ornate stump]

Yes. Switch them.

[brave rock]

and so are the legs

[brave rock]

okay let me do all of this real quick and ill tell you if it fixes it

[ornate stump]

Are you really sure though? Can you screenshot to confirm?

[ornate stump]

So that is it.

[brave rock]

yeah!! ill brb

[brave rock]

this fixed it!!! thanks so much, i would never thought to check if the bones were correctly named

[fast urchin]

What is the best way to do hair and fur tufts for a VRChat avatar in Blender?

[junior void]

"do"?

As in, model, shaping or attaching?

[fast urchin]

Yeah.
All that.
I don't have a work flow right now.

[junior void]

Id personally work with curves

Those are easy to position while keeping their shape rather than modeling a cone to death

[fast urchin]

Interesting
But it eventually needs to become a flat mesh to project hair on top.
And there should also be multiple layers for 3d effect.
How does that work?

[junior void]

I think you're thinking about hair cards. That's not what I meant

You can use flat mesh and use alpha to make them look like individual hair strands. But remember that quest does not support transparency.

What I meant was using curves to shape a cone, which can then be made into a mesh object, so you literally have a long cone

Like this

[fast urchin]

O ok.
I thought I should use hair cards because I think they don't use as much mesh data.
But sucks that transparency doesn't work on all platforms.
I really start to dislike that no shader thing.

[junior void]

Hair cards will be less polygons if done right, yea. It really depends on what style you're going for as well. Your choice

[fast urchin]

I know.
But do you know how I can like combine both techniques?

Probably need to create a fallback for standalone as well. 🤔

[gray fractal]

Here comes pain, the plugin says "Fix Model button has been removed"

[desert elk]

MMD Options

it's been moved there

cause people were using it for things that it wasn't meant for

it's also in MMD Options in the video

[desert elk]

mm

[gray fractal]

It seems like the bone names aren't being auto-detected

[desert elk]

looks like you did mean the bad vrm

not helping anymore if that's the case, sorry

I thought you meant vroid or something like that

[gray fractal]

I made the VRM myself though, and it's compatible with all the VTubing software I use

(the ones that use VRM files)

[desert elk]

well does it have bones?

and are they named correctly?

you may not even use the fix button tbh

[junior void]

You can't really. One is flat mesh and the other consists of cones.

[desert elk]

that is a lot of bones and very weird names

you're better off correcting that manually

you should find some good info in #avatar-rigging

[gray fractal]

https://hub.vroid.com/artworks/2750946631640381264
This is the model I'm trying to convert, just for the record

[desert elk]

cause those are some weird bones
idk how else to help than tell you to do it manually

oh btw, just because it's on vroid hub doesn't mean it was made fully in vroid

that's all I wanted to say

[fast urchin]

But you can apply curves to haircards too right?

[junior void]

Oh like that. Sure i guess

[fast urchin]

Yeah I think if you use cones for big clumbs and hair cards for details you have the best of both.

[junior void]

Personally i wouldnt mix both ways just because of how different they appear but if you wanna give it a go, who am i to say no

[fast urchin]

I have seen something like this in a video about realistic hair for video games.

[rigid nymph]

this happens to almost every project i make, last thing i do is unlock mats if that helps

[heavy wraith]

Hello everyone,

can anyone help me out with an avatar?

I need to replace the lower body
Basically everything below the waist,
I am trying to do it in blender but i am not the best at it.

[long lava]

I suppose you can delete the previous body part by selecting it, and then deleting with X (Using X-Ray would help a lot selecting everything)
then add the new one by joining the new models and putting them together by creating new faces with the F key

Of course,after that, you'll have to readjust the UV map, texture, bones and weight paint

-# They did surgery on a 3D model

I am not sure that such tools exists to replace entire body parts

So you'll have to do it manually sadly

[torpid flame]

Does anyone know what causes your uploads to be error bots even though the avi passes all of the checks and requirements?

Bro getting help in this server is like pulling teeth

[heavy wraith]

it can be multiple issues, for example, if some of the scripts are not compatible and cause error.

or it's simply failing the security check on the backend

[torpid flame]

Yeah it initally loaded fine

Then with an update which actually took some mesh away

then it didnt work

[somber sequoia]

is it very, very poor?

[torpid flame]

Yeah

but still passesd all checks

[somber sequoia]

that's often why too

[torpid flame]

Not opitmized but still within limits

[somber sequoia]

wow

[heavy wraith]

Don't upload anything that's insanly poor like that

woaah weeeeeeee

[torpid flame]

QUAD HD dont shame

[heavy wraith]

i don't even use avatar that are more than 15 MB and 40MB uncompressed

[torpid flame]

lol

[somber sequoia]

I have my download limiter set to 80 compressed and 120 uncompressed 🙂

[timber wharf]

100/250 ie half for me

[heavy wraith]

mine is set to 5MB

[torpid flame]

But like i said. Not optimized but still within limits

[heavy wraith]

like for real dude,
Why would you bother with 2K or 4K textures when half the user can't even render it.

[heavy wraith]

just optimised it

it will work out fine

let me check what is the size of my main avatar XD

it's 3MB on the Quest side LoL

[zinc plume]

Trying to show this the best way I can. First two pictures show the viewpoint being higher up in vrchat, meanwhile in unity it's correctly placed in between the eyes

Not sure what the fix is to this T-T

[heavy wraith]

check if the avatar is scaled to 1, 1, 1, when you upload
It caused the same issue to me but only once and i was scaled down to 0.9 0.9 0.9

i am not sure if it's the same issue or not

[torpid flame]

I just think some leniency and understanding should be shown because VR chat isn’t the same experience for everyone. Some people do have the machine capabilities to see high fidelity stuff.

I don’t know about you all, but I didn’t go into the VR hoping to get another Roblox experience

[somber sequoia]

yes, that's why I block avatars like yours, I'd like to get more than 12 frames per second 🙂

[torpid flame]

I’m an adult and I can only speak for myself

I don’t care if 16 -year-olds can see me

They have their own experience with their standalone headsets

[heavy wraith]

same

i would rather have everyone see my avatar than have like 2 people see me

[somber sequoia]

yep

[zinc plume]

VRChat is a community built game in which not a lot of hard limits exist for uploads. So unfortunately you'll have a lot of unoptimized avatars

And if they decide to hard limit things, people would freak out

[torpid flame]

But at what point is one responsible for other people’s lack of hardware?

[heavy wraith]

most people don't care about the optimisation.

[torpid flame]

Like how long should somebody cater to 10-year-old GPUs

[somber sequoia]

I like to be a polite citizen, and so most of my avatars are Medium and under 80MB. You do you, but be aware lots of people just aren't going to see your pretty creation.

[zinc plume]

I personally don't care about other people's hardware. I'm just stating that it's ultimately the devs' fault for allowing uploads like this in the first place

Optimizing is pretty much optional in this game, they made it that way and it's on them

[torpid flame]

So what kind of virtual experience are you really expecting to have with even more limitations to come probably

Like eventually, you’re gonna be a cube

What about super high Fidelity and ultra realism?

[zinc plume]

You can have nice looking optimized avatars... just saying

Not everyone has the skill for it tho

[torpid flame]

That’s the problem

If you’re gonna put in all that work for industry leading technique then

Maybe it’s time to get paid?

[zinc plume]

You can get paid for making avatars..? I'm not understanding what you're trying to get at here

If they hard capped the upload limit to Very Poor ranking, even average skill avatar makers can make something nice out of it

[torpid flame]

I’m not really trying to get anything to be honest,

I’m just saying that optimization can be taken too far. Obviously, it’s OK to be optimized as much as you can within reason.

I’m just saying that a ready player one experience is something that I would like to have one day

I just feel like sometimes we’re going in the opposite direction

[zinc plume]

That tends to happen when VR companies care more about player count and a bigger consumer base over progress

[torpid flame]

Couldn’t agree more

I’m just saying though

If money is your objective, especially for the long-term

I think one would want to create a ecosystem that would make people crave to login and stay logged in

Imagine worlds that are so indistinguishable from reality that this is literally what People would go to work for and spend their paychecks on

I think 16-year-old Roblox money or the equivalent is a play for the short term gain

[zinc plume]

Those ppl in vrchat already exist ngl lol

[torpid flame]

Yeah, but those are people from the old days like myself and probably you

[zinc plume]

It's still scaled to 1 in unity so probably not this, thank you though!! It's also scaled 1 in the rig configuration

[heavy wraith]

meh, i just care about myself, i have a shity PC, the more optimised my avi the more frames i am getting.
Cam's Remi avatar cost me 30 FPS as soon as it loads,

Optimised it and removed the thing that i don't need or use<
Gain back those lost performance, along with size decrease from 50MB to 12MB.

[somber sequoia]

yeah - your PC has to render your own avatar 2-3 times, so this does directly affect your own performance too

[heavy wraith]

this is something new which i am working on,
i am targeting less than 100K
Decimated the body from 44K to 19K

[desert elk]

slay!

[heavy wraith]

there's not much of noticable diffenrence as the clothing will cover it, and i will also be deleting the part that will be permanently covered by clothing

[desert elk]

that's awesome

I always delete stuff under clothes

[heavy wraith]

for example, the thighs, as i never take off the stockings

so, i don't need the legs XD

[desert elk]

plus that makes it I also never need to worry about clipping

smart

[zinc plume]

I'm gonna have to retopo this soon

[heavy wraith]

same

[desert elk]

yeah

[heavy wraith]

that base look RIPPED AS FUCK
I would put my head between those thighs.

if my actual body is as ripped as that, i will never wear shirt again XD

[zinc plume]

ikr i really want to keep the details in the final so i think i will make the sculpt more clean and bake a normal map or something

cuz i know most of this is gonna get lost in retopo

😔

[heavy wraith]

i would never be able to as skilled as you when it comes to scultping

[zinc plume]

some scammer just saved the screenshots

[heavy wraith]

i only know the basics like decimate, and clothing fit using Elastic Deform

[twin lagoon]

WELL i suck at uv unwrapping
does anyone have a good video on this that youd suggest

[somber sequoia]

Sure you could, if you wanted to.

[zinc plume]

exactly what kazin said
just give sculpting a try, make something from scratch

i actually have a picture of my very first from-scratch mesh in here

[somber sequoia]

haha yeah it's fun looking back at your own beginner work

[twin lagoon]

sculpting is fun!!!

[zinc plume]

i literally clicked copy msg link

[heavy wraith]

nah i just can't find time to dedicate myself to it,
I have a web dev start up as i specialize in Programming Web App and backend servers.

[zinc plume]

here

back in 2021

[heavy wraith]

since, it's just the start of something new, i will need to put my effort and time in there

[twin lagoon]

yknow what isnt fun???? UV UNWRAPPING

it drives me insane!!

[heavy wraith]

nah that fine

[zinc plume]

i love it

[somber sequoia]

it's one of my least favorite things to do

[heavy wraith]

i don't mind it that

it's fune

[twin lagoon]

do you guys have any yt videos youd suggest on uv unwrapping 🥺

[heavy wraith]

looks bleh, rn, cuz no textures added, but it gives me a general idea on what the end result will be

[heavy wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeBUfMKKZDo

blender guru

[twin lagoon]

thank you!!!!!

[zinc plume]

Rank it:
Sculpting
Modeling/Retopo
Rigging
UV Mapping
Texturing
Unity Setup

For me it would be:

1. Rigging
2. Modeling/Retopo
3. UV Mapping
4. Texturing
5. Sculpting
6. Unity Setup

[desert elk]

from easiest to hardest?

or what

[zinc plume]

most favorite to least

[heavy wraith]

also this
https://github.com/sentfromspacevr/robust-weight-transfer

if you are looking for a Quick and easy way to transfer weight and bone data, just one click

[somber sequoia]

remember that that ^ is great but you still have to touch things up sometimes.

[heavy wraith]

yeah but it still doees 70% to 80% of the jobs

rest is just fine tuning manually

[twin lagoon]

i haven’t managed to get to rigging or unity set up yet !! … or texturing since i’m struggling with uv unwrap i’m a beginner but would say ummm

1. retopology
   2 sculpting
2. uv unwrap

[somber sequoia]

absolutely, it's really good

[desert elk]

most to least

1. unity set up
2. texturing
3. rigging
4. sculpting

left out stuff I never did myself or did only once or twice

[somber sequoia]

I think my second least favorite is weight painting

[desert elk]

yeah, I don't like it much too

[twin lagoon]

can i just say i love low poly stuff!!

[heavy wraith]

i hate rigging, i haven't been able to learn it at all

fuck that shit man

[somber sequoia]

ah I like rigging, to a point. rigging solid body stuff is fun

[zinc plume]

I love it because I get to see my avatar go from static to moveable and it's so nice

[heavy wraith]

here's my way of saving space on basic clothing<

Use low poly, put in a normal maps but just use the colour on the material, instead of putting texture

other is the texture packing

[zinc plume]

Plus I would count shapekeys as rigging too, it's very nice to finally see the face have expressions

[heavy wraith]

i use texture packing for my world but not avatar

[twin lagoon]

do u guys have any tips on uv unwrapping..

[desert elk]

only that it makes on sense (tried it only once XD)

[somber sequoia]

I have a few add-ons I like, but most of them aren't free.

maybe my first suggestion is to place your seams well

[zinc plume]

Omg I'm pretty sure I got it now

In rig configuration the model was clipping into the floor. She has hooves so the ankle bone wasn't reaching all the way down to the floor. I fixed that and now it doesn't clip. I can only assume that means the eye viewpoint will be properly synced

Fixed 2 issues in one, ez

[heavy wraith]

well ,
today i also learned something new as well

i will keep that in mind in case i or someone i know run into same problem

[zinc plume]

Yea the rigging was like this, changed it to the 2nd

[heavy wraith]

thanks for letting me what the issue was.

[zinc plume]

Yuhh

Me and my habit of making rare species and non humanoid like avatars lol

I'm sure someone out there makes crazier stuff than me tho

[heavy wraith]

i have been repeatedly told by my friend to make some Furry Shoes

but i just haven't found the time

[zinc plume]

Furry shoes? Like actual shoes for the paws?

I rarely see that, that would be cool

[heavy wraith]

here's the sample reference images he showed me

he want something like this.

i am just meh, don't have the time atm.

basically he want me to create something similar and add some flames or rockets when he use gogo loco from the bottom of the shoes.

[zinc plume]

Oo that's really cool

[heavy wraith]

my initial idea was to get a boot model and a furry legs and frankenstein them together

[proper epoch]

How to i add clothes to an avatar

[heavy wraith]

put the model and clothing in blender

select your clothing, goto sculpt mode

use elastic deform tool and stretch them into the shape of the body

afterwards you just have to transfer weight from the Body to the Clothing

that can be done using Robust weight Transfer

[proper epoch]

cant you just do that on unity as a toggle?

[heavy wraith]

if you wanna give it a shot, feel free to do so,
my friend will even pay for a reasonable price if you are able to do that.

[heavy wraith]

different clothing is made for different body fits,
for example if a clothing is made for Zinpia base, it won't fit on the Panda bear base

[proper epoch]

well i got the clothing for the avatar like it was made for it

on booth

[heavy wraith]

oh that's good than you can simply put the clothing in the avatar heirarchy afterwards you just set your root to your avatar's bone

or you can use the VRC Fury for it.

[proper epoch]

im still new to this how exactly do i do any of this

[heavy wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX7mLFlm00s

[proper epoch]

i looked up a video and it said i needed to duplicate abunch of stuff and do some confusing stuff

[heavy wraith]

here's the exact vide you need

[proper epoch]

i followed that exactly video

and got lost

[heavy wraith]

we duplicate thing in case we mess up thing

[proper epoch]

also my avatar does not have a blueprint id on it

[heavy wraith]

so we can just delete the duplicated avatar and create a copy againt to start anew

[proper epoch]

do i need that

[heavy wraith]

it will be added once you upload the avatar

blueprint can be found by logging into the VRChat SDK in unity then going to the content manager and clicking Copy ID

that's for when you wanna update an avatar that's already uploaded on your account

[proper epoch]

well i uploaded the avatar already and decided to add more clothes to it

since i wanted it to be in the toggles menu

[heavy wraith]

good, then you just have to goto the Content Manager in the Unity VRChat SDK

[proper epoch]

then?

[zinc plume]

I'm not very good with clothing/accessories, still learning xD

[heavy wraith]

click on search for your avatar then click Copy ID
and paste that ID in the blueprint ID field

[proper epoch]

alright

[proper epoch]

i just imported the pacage onto unity

for the clothing

but now i dont know what to do

also on the avatar i have this thing that i cant deleat

nvm

[proper epoch]

well i managed to figure it out on my own so yay

but i still dont know how to add diffrent colour eyes

[warm anchor]

Alright so I want to set up somethin thats like medics beam in tf2 but in vrchat where its a particle system that can track other players and for future reference is there somethin that makes objects track other players like engineers turret where it could maybe track someones body and of course can this all be quest compatible?

I was thinkin if there was maybe some trickery I could use like with the parent constraints

[timber wharf]

@warm anchor https://github.com/VRLabs/Contact-Tracker and then constraints

[warm anchor]

Thats a bunches my man

thanks*

[wind skiff]

look at or aim constraints will probably work well for this

[bronze loom]

How does one set an armature and blendeshape default state for exporting from blender into substance?

[unkempt meadow]

I dont know what to do

the head is set

everytime I put gogoloco on it, it says the rig isnt humanoid

[desert elk]

you have a mesh named head

it can't be

you need to change it

[unkempt meadow]

idk how to

[desert elk]

idk if changing in unity will work, I haven't had that error yet

you could try in unity

right click -> rename

if it doesn't work, you'd need to change it in blender

[unkempt meadow]

nooooooooo

okay lemme go try that 😭

[vestal crypt]

so small question so i added clothes to my avatar but multiple ones i want them to be hidden in the scene and on the avatar untill enabled how can i do this easily

[unkempt meadow]

it works ty (had to change it in blender)

[desert elk]

in the inspector there's a box

[vestal crypt]

yea when i disable that it just doesnt work anymore even if i turn the toggle on using gesture manager

[desert elk]

because your toggle was made with the default being on in unity

are you using vrcf or manual toggles?

[vestal crypt]

manual toggles? i think

it was a drag and drop package so not to sure

[vestal crypt]

so idk ngl

[desert elk]

if it was drag and drop I doubt it was manually

for manual you'd need to individually set up each animation

and make toggles for it in the FX layer

[vestal crypt]

it has toggles in the menu thats not the problem

[fiery crest]

Does anyone have any theories for why my chest is clipping

No visual aids as of now but sometimes when I wear an avi, the breasts clip through the suit, but when I reload it then it stops clipping without doing anything else. Same thing for other people

So if someone sees my chest poking out the shirt, I tell them to hide and unhide my avi and it's magically fixed

Technically don't need a solution since I have one (sorta) but it is s mystery to me as of now

[snow goblet]

there isn't really enough info here. my only guess is something to do with animations being hidden by safety but thats not likely

does your avatar have an animation to change breast/chest size? it could be setup incorrectly and therefore be fixed by turning off custom animations

[fiery crest]

It does, but I have checked it and it seems standard, plus there's no issue with any other clothing I have

I guess I could run some tests next time I see it happen ^-^ maybe play around with chest size adjustments

If anything I could set a flat-chest blendshape anim when I equip the clothes

[snow goblet]

then my best guess fix: make sure the chest size blendshape of the suit (if it exists on the suit in the first place) changes along with the chest size animation.
otherwise, you could do fx layer trickery to set the chest size to flat when the suit is enabled

[fiery crest]

Okee thank yall just was curious on any theories on the why

[glass solar]

how would I add constraints to this guy inn unity without messing up the rig?

Since I wanna give it a mecanical feel for the avi movement wise

[somber sequoia]

what would "mess up the rig"?

[glass solar]

I was thinking of maybe either making a seperate rig and doing some parent constraint stuff or duper the arms and leg bones and map those while adding contraints to the non mapped one

[somber sequoia]

maybe explain what you're trying to do

[karmic spindle]

can someone help me add emotes/animations to my avatar ?

[proven vale]

yoyo so i got this blahaj right?

and i wanna make it so when i spawn it in with the expressions menu i can grab it and move it around

but isnt bound to my hand

sort of like the camera where it moves relative to your avatar and you can grab it and move it around n such

i know all the bit with the expressions menu

i jus dont know the grabbing bit

[somber sequoia]

there are a few prefabs that let you make world props you or anyone can grab

[timid kite]

how to change spawn animation?

[somber sequoia]

there isn't really one, you just an animation that plays automatically once, with no conditions

[proven vale]

could i get a link to one? is there any where only you can grab it?

[somber sequoia]

That Fat Kid's Mom has one, and the other I know if is "Sophia's item and weapon pickup system"

not sure if they're updated to use vrc constraints, so keep that in mind

[karmic spindle]

can someone help me ive followed this tutorial but when i try to test the animation ingame it doesnt show up in my wheel

https://youtu.be/vZ_5aLx7pmU

its a tutorial on how to add custom animations to avatars

[somber sequoia]

did you edit the correct menu?

[topaz mulch]

hey so ik this is a bit random but is there a way to hide all of the extra stuff so i can actually see?

[desert elk]

hide gizmos

top right of the scene view

I don't have a screenshot on hand rn

[topaz mulch]

ok found it thx

[karmic spindle]

yes

[somber sequoia]

can you show the menu?

[quiet harness]

this finger I have is rotated upside down, how does one rotate it ?

[somber sequoia]

did you build this in Blender? could be your bone roll

[quiet harness]

Bone roll ?

[karmic spindle]

do you mean ingame?

[quiet harness]

But I did download it and edit it in blender

[somber sequoia]

no, I mean in the Unity editor.

[somber sequoia]

Did you edit the armature? I'm guessing since all I've got is that pic to go on, but having the bone roll be a weird value could do that

[quiet harness]

That would make sense, is there a way to fix that in unity or would I have to go back into blender ?

[somber sequoia]

blender

[karmic spindle]

idk if that helps or if i got it wrong

[somber sequoia]

this is an animator, not a menu?

[quiet harness]

damn

[vague breach]

ok so for physbones theres an option thats something like "reset when diabled" or something

sometimes when a shirt is off, and the boob is being squished, and then the shirt turned back on, the squish will "lock" into place.

I dont know if thats whats causing your issue but it might be worth a shot?

you might also try setting blendshapes to shrink them while the shirt is on

[fiery crest]

Interesting Interesting

Thank yall ^-^

[west cipher]

anyone have a tutorial on how to set up fade toggles? When you select the toggle it fades the item away to show the next one

[still cairn]

Hey does anyone know how to fix this- I’m new to uploading, it’s saying the avatar download size is too large for pc. And that’s apparently the reason. But I’m unsure how to fix it😭

There!

[timid kite]

where would i put that animation? what would the setup look like?

[karmic basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sfTEBAl8sA

Is this video about FBT still relevant?

I was looking up ways to make a model more fitting for FBT but i cannot find a lot, any tips yall can give?

Alos, is CATS FBT fix good or is it better to just not enable that?

[quiet harness]

Do you have to texture your model before you configure it? Because I'm lost on finding my way back to the materials page

[somber sequoia]

drop it into an animator layer by itself, and it'll just play

[somber sequoia]

I'm not really clear on what the problem is, sorry

[magic heron]

why does my model do this

[somber sequoia]

"this"?

[magic heron]

the legs making an x shape

[wild sphinx]

this doesn't make sense is this a bug with the SDK

[timber wharf]

its misleading text. alpha is not for avatars, only add/mult

[nimble bloom]

Does anyone have a good guide for setting up an outfit as a drag and drop prefab with VRCFury toggles that handle stuff like blendshapes and mat swaps? A friend of mine got an outfit and I am trying my hand at adding it to her avatar, but the normal way I would put it on is breaking some of the toggles and visemes of the avi, so I am trying to sculpt and weightpaint the outfit and then export it as a separate FBX and turn it into a prefab to just drag on drop on instead.

[somber sequoia]

I don't have a guide or tutorial but have done it and could answer specific questions. Honestly most of it is just using both armature link and blendshape link

[nimble bloom]

Can you DM me?

[somber sequoia]

I'd be happy to discuss in here where others might help or benefit

[nimble bloom]

So the avatar in question is the God Magician EX with FT. Normally to add an outfit I would just export the FBX to Blender then add the outfit FBX, sculpt and remove unneeded armature on the outfit, then merge using CATS then weight paint as needed for each piece. The outfit she bought is the Detention Set by Vinuzhka. After weight painting I would normally export the entire avi FBX back to unity and replace the original FBX with the new one, but for some reason this method is breaking all the physbones, colliders, and visemes on the avi.

So I am now trying a different method, one I see outfit creators use when making outfits and selling them for their favorite avis. So I put the avi FBX in blender and added the outfit like usual, but when it came time to export I removed everything except the outfit itself after it had been rigged and weighted to the body, now I am importing the outfit FBX into unity on its own and working with setting up as a drag and drop prefab for the avi in the hopes that it won't break the previously mentioned stuff

But this is a new route for me and causing me a migraine

[somber sequoia]

my process is simple: make clothing, rig clothing using the avatar's armature. export both clothing mesh and a stripped armature that only includes the necessary bones.
make a prefab in unity, add the model to it, add whatever other things you want (physbones, constraints, etc). use armature link and blendshape link. make it a prefab. profit.

[nimble bloom]

So the end there is where I am lost, what is armature link and blendshape link?

Are those unity addons?

[somber sequoia]

I encourage you to read the vrcfury documentation

[soft thistle]

ok so i've changed plans to change my OC's face from 3D to 2D, but I don't have any idea on how to give him the 2d face w/ expressions, could there be a tutorial?

[nimble bloom]

Will this make it so that the outfit will remain a separate prefab that I can package as a unity package and send back when I am done?

[somber sequoia]

where I said "make it a prefab" - that is literally what I meant

[nimble bloom]

I will be honest, I have been picking chatGPT's brain to work on this, it isn't perfect by any means, and it appears to have been leading me down the wrong road unintentionally

[somber sequoia]

yeah, that's not really a surprise at all

[nimble bloom]

It has been super helpful for a lot of things, but sometimes it just gets it really wrong

[somber sequoia]

yeah - I don't think it's right anywhere near enough to be a trusted source, so I wonder why one would bother

[nimble bloom]

Like I said, for some things it works great, if anything I am sourcing out the things it sucks at, this just happens to be one of them

[lament ivy]

need some help with eye look, not sure why it broke when only thing that changed was the body base. any help would be greatly appreciated

[somber sequoia]

what about the body base did you change?

[lament ivy]

went from rp base to panda base, i tried both leaving the default eye bones in that come with the base, and deleting them

both still broken, the head is starlight anime head

[somber sequoia]

well you need eye bones of course, so if by rotating those nothing is happening, I'd go see what's up with the armature and rigging

[lament ivy]

the head has the bones, panda base comes with 2 eye bones by default

[somber sequoia]

do they work though?

[lament ivy]

no, the first picture is what it looks like when both leaving those bones, and deleting them

the second picture is normal, same head, same bones

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure why you'd delete them?

wait, are you doing this entirely in unity?

[lament ivy]

no, blender

the eye look is whats broken

in unity

[somber sequoia]

do the eye bones move the correct mesh the right way in Blender? And they are pointed straight up, with 0 bone roll?

[lament ivy]

yes, blender normal

[somber sequoia]

I'd think that would work properly in Unity then. Anything weird in the rig setup?

right bones in the right slots?

[lament ivy]

nope, normal humanoid rig with bones in the right spot

everything about the head is the same as the picture on right in terms of rig and bones

just broken now for some reason

[quiet harness]

I keep trying to set up my view position but I can't see the camera anywhere

[somber sequoia]

make sur eyou have gizmos on, upper-right icon in the scene view

[quiet harness]

my hero

[wild sphinx]

appreciated

[naive quartz]

can somebody help me to understand why on some of my animations my dynamic bones don't work

i haven't done anything to of caused this

the dynamic bones work when i move around and work on some of the first animations i did but 6 animations later they just dont work inside the animation idk how it's happened it's like i have hit this invisible limit despite being on pc

[void socket]

can someone help me? im uploading a avi but i dont see the pc version
picture below:

[somber sequoia]

it's disabled

checkbox in the upper left of the inspector

[vagrant crater]

Having issues with the mouth on the model it moves but it just stays open im using Viseme Blend Shapes for the mouth

[urban pier]

Is anyone having issues with model uploaded around month ago having weird issues with physbones stretching parts of their model in weird ways

just did a fresh upload with updated sdk and is still happening

[olive yoke]

Is this warning just in the new sdk or did somthing on my avatar trigger it?

[vagrant crater]

its normal it apart of the new SDK

its just a agreement like a terms of service

[olive yoke]

okay thankiess

[gentle goblet]

Just a quick question but is it bad to have too many colliders?

[prisma frigate]

i would assume so-

[gentle goblet]

But like why and what is too many? I am just basically filling in my body so my tail won't clip through things but yeah I am like concerned I guess

[somber sequoia]

limits are detailed here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system#pc-limits

[magic heron]

yooooo uhh anyone have any idea why THIS happens ?

[somber sequoia]

got the right leg bones in the right slots in the rigging setup?

[gentle goblet]

So like it doesn't matter if I add more it just makes my avi more unoptimised?

[somber sequoia]

unless it says there's a maximum there, yep

[gentle goblet]

Alright cool, thank youuu

[vagrant crater]

Still need help

[tiny hawk]

does anyone know how to fix this issue? The tail is weight painted to the tail bones that are lifted in the air, but the tail isnt properly connected. i used the normalize all thing in weight painting but that doesnt do anything....

[vast falcon]

do the bones have their "deform" property checked, and does the tail have the armature modifier + have it enabled?

is there a way to set physbones to transform instead of rotate? i want to have items behind my character lag slightly behind

[gentle goblet]

Uh so when I press play in unity and select GestureManager to test my avi, one of my piercings moves away from my head and I don't know why, none of the toggles affect it in any way, same with blendshapes so I am honestly just confused, is it a unity issue or something else?

[vast falcon]

check weights

in blender

[gentle goblet]

Ooooh okay, should it just be weighted to the face? It still moves with it perfectly just yeah >~>

[vast falcon]

most of the time yes, unless you add a special bone for it (septum that you want to wiggle)

[vast falcon]

make sure to have a dedicated sil blendshape that mirrors your basis blendshape

[gentle goblet]

Also does anyone know how to add thigh and tummy jiggle bones, I tried to look for a video or anything but couldn't find shit >~>

[vast falcon]

do you know how to add breast bones? its the same concept just applied to different parts of the body

[gentle goblet]

Ah...no >~>

[vast falcon]

check you sil blendshape. if it's not that, you might have an expression that disabling visemes OR your mic is picking something up. or its something else lol

[vagrant crater]

How would I check the Sil and it’s not the mic that was the first thing I checked lol

[vast falcon]

do you have a blender file?

[vagrant crater]

Yes

[vast falcon]

trying to find a good tut to follow, one moment

[gentle goblet]

Would I just search up how to add breast bones, follow that and then duplicate it for the thighs and tummy?

[gentle goblet]

Thank you btw <3

[vast falcon]

yeah basically. i might just write it down for you since i cant vouch for any tut

ah cant make threads. do you mind dm? in case you have questions

[vast falcon]

in your blend file, select the mesh that has your face on it. set the sil shapekey to 1 and verify that it makes no changes to the model.

[somber sequoia]

make sure you don't have a jaw bone mapped in the rig setup if you're doing visemes

[vast falcon]

forgot about this one too. good catch.

[vagrant crater]

ok so thats more then likely why

so just remove the jaw bone mapping then

[vast falcon]

yep

[vagrant crater]

lets fine out if that works

[somber sequoia]

push play, it should be obvious

[vagrant crater]

yep were good thanks!

[stoic bobcat]

idk why uploading to quest has to be so hard, this avatar im trying to upload just wont move from 11mb and I cant seem to figure out what could be taking all that space, all the textures are 128-512 and theyre in the bites size, the model itself is about 4mb and it has one extra mesh thats about 400kb. I guess something random is on the model giving it that extra 7mb

[night ember]

you need tp build again the update the check

[stoic bobcat]

ive done that multiple times, it still says its well over 11mb

there just cant be that much on it, ive uploaded stuff with a ton more than what this has

yeah something that I cant see is adding like 10mb

cause it should just compress when I import, and I compressed the meshes in unity, so its just adding more mb size just because

[lucid orchid]

Hi, I finally see a place where I can ask for help. Um, can someone help me make some avatar clips? I don't have the VRChat game, so is there someone I can trust here?

[somber sequoia]

you can commission people at the VRC Traders discord, link is in #1204490664637890580

[timber wharf]

@stoic bobcat https://github.com/MunifiSense/VRChat-Build-Size-Viewer

blendshapes usually main culprit (after textures), make sure you use vrcfury blendshape optimiser

[stoic bobcat]

i deleted all blendshapes

didnt even change the number when it did have blendshapes

i think when I update my unity file, it breaks everything so now I need to make a new one again

[somber sequoia]

that shouldn't happen

[stoic bobcat]

then I have no clue what could be causing any of this, no matter what I do it barely moves, theres no way it should even be 11mb, if anything, it should be like 5mb with how compressed everything is

ive made a avatar of the same kind even with blendshapes and barely compressed textures it got to quest with no issues

apparently theres 7mb of sounds....no clue how even

[somber sequoia]

you can't even use them on quest anyway

[stoic bobcat]

i know, no clue why it still thinks theyre there

nothings even connected so like, im so confused

[prisma frigate]

Im sorry but I hear Jake talking when I read this-

[stoic bobcat]

ill just have to figure out how I can make it so the sounds arent attached to the avatar, even though theres no possible way they should be

[stoic bobcat]

got it fixed, i just readded the descriptor and it fixed, really dumb for it to think it had 7mb of sounds but whatever unity

[pulsar pond]

I am having an issue where my AFK animation plays perfectly inside the editor when I use GestureManager but inside the game it doesn't even last half a second before putting me back in the standing state, does anyone know what could be causing this?

[lucid orchid]

I don't have VRChat, can someone make a clip for me using Ena's avatar doing something random? I've been looking for help, and all I get are bots.

[gentle goblet]

Go ahead ^-^

Sorry for the late reply >~>

[lucid orchid]

So something ó.ò?

[ornate stump]

Something? What would you need the clip for?

[lucid orchid]

I'm going to create a video for my YouTube channel, and then I usually edit it so I don't get bored. Sometimes, I ask people to show a clip of them doing something random with famous people. ^^ I have the idea and I just need some clips.

Also, my PC doesn't work because I'm stuck on Windows 7 and I can't even update the drivers or the software.

it's crazy :/ basically

[ornate stump]

Just so you know, this channel is for helping in avatar creation. You might get a better chance asking in general chat. Also if you want to convince someone to do something, give them plenty of reason so they can decide.

[lucid orchid]

Well, I'm not looking to create avatars, but I just ask for a favor.

I have been looking for someone who can kindly help me for a whole month.

[ornate stump]

The main point is you're asking in a wrong channel.

[lucid orchid]

Oh

So my bad. Where can I ask for help with this?

[ornate stump]

Already answered that too.

[lucid orchid]

Okay, can you? We can talk together if you want to help me... of course.

[ornate stump]

No.

[lucid orchid]

that's fine.... thanks

It seems like no one has any empathy for this... that's fine, I'll look elsewhere, needless to say I was in the wrong chat.

[ornate stump]

It's better to actually make some friends and ask friends to do that, much better than random internet stranger.

[blissful trellis]

I made some edits to a booth model in blender, but I am having trouble with the reimport/setup of returning the edited FBX to Unity. Am I able to just replace the existing body mesh with the one I edited in blender, instead of replacing the FBX? Would that method break something? Thanks in advance~

[somber sequoia]

no, the mesh is inside the fbx file

what "trouble" are you having exactly?

[blissful trellis]

Yes! so i was wondering if I could just put the new fbx into my project, and just replace the mesh on the existing body.

[blissful trellis]

I posted more about it in the Threads if that helps, if not- let me know.

[somber sequoia]

the mesh and armature are linked in the file, you don't want to break them, but this should work just fine

threads? there aren't any in here

[blissful trellis]

Thats whatI was worried about breaking, but you think it should work fine?
I did do a test with just dragging the new FBX into my assets, and just dragging the edited body mesh onto the original avatar that I have in my project- Afterwards I did some play mode tests, and it did seem to work and move just fine~ but I was worried if underlying issues might occur.

[blissful trellis]

Posts* sorry. I posted about the original issue before i had the idea of only replacing the mesh instead of the FBX #1139216499123437668

[somber sequoia]

if you overwrite the .fbx with the same settings as was previously used, it should just update perfectly fine

ah, a link helps

[blissful trellis]

So I should make sure to match up the previous settings of the .fbx, then i can just drag the new mesh onto the avatar instead of completely changing the FBX then?

[somber sequoia]

dragging a new copy of the fbx into the scene makes a new model, if you want to migrate to that you can use something like pumkin's tools to do that.

[blissful trellis]

(i can send an image if that helps)

[somber sequoia]

you keep saying 'drag the mesh' but this isn't a thing that works

[blissful trellis]

This is what I meant.

[somber sequoia]

literally just overwrite the fbx and it's done, there is no other step

[blissful trellis]

What I tried was to just add the new mesh into that slot.

[somber sequoia]

yeah messing with that is a good way to break things, like the link to the armature

[blissful trellis]

which seemed to work

[blissful trellis]

That makes sense, it was my initial worry. How exactly would I go about setting up the new fbx back in unity then? Thanks for your help

[somber sequoia]

export from blender, overwrite the file in your unity project

use the same export settings as were previously used.
if you don't know, set "apply scalings" to FBX ALL and uncheck the option for leaf bones under "armature" unless you know you need those

[blissful trellis]

Okay, it seems ive done everything correctly up to this point, is there a reason for overwriting the file? which is the only thing i didn't do.

[somber sequoia]

you want to update it, right?

sure, you can make a new one, but then you have a new model to drag into the scene and set up

[blissful trellis]

Hmm, okay. I'll delete what i imported and try overwriting it instead, hopefully that fixes the issues. I was just a bit hestitant to remove the original FBX at first.

[somber sequoia]

don't remove it

[blissful trellis]

Overwriting the original fbx with the one i edited in blender is kind of like removing it, no? Unless I'm misunderstanding~

[somber sequoia]

you literally save over the existing file

[blissful trellis]

I suppose i just worded it weirdly then. Anyways I tried overwriting it instead of just importing it into the project and it seemed to work seamlessly. Thanks!

[tiny hawk]

how do i see if the deform property is checked?

[somber sequoia]

edit armature, click on a bone, look in the bone properties area

[tiny hawk]

oh! thank you!

[craggy pendant]

I keep having this issue, ive searched all the toggles and parameeters. I can't find where its saying its at

[ornate stump]

Did you check in your menu files?

[craggy pendant]

i checked Parameeters and the Submenus

[ornate stump]

Then also change inspector into debug mode and check all the menu file again. It's the parameter that's got hidden once you changed control type.

[craggy pendant]

How do i change it to debug mode?

[ornate stump]

Right click on the inspector tab header and you will see.

[craggy pendant]

Its still showing

[ornate stump]

You have to look in menu file. What you're looking at is parameter file.

[craggy pendant]

I did lol, its not coming showing its there

[ornate stump]

Did you enable debug mode?

[ornate stump]

You have to expand each control and see what parameter they're using.

[craggy pendant]

Im so confused

[ornate stump]

Look in all of this

[craggy pendant]

OH! I went through them and none of them show the "Human Ears/Ears" parameeter

I made

[ornate stump]

Are you sure it isn't "HumanEars" parameter?

[craggy pendant]

It wasn't no

[ornate stump]

Have you checked in other menu files?

[craggy pendant]

When i named it i named it ears and when I made the toggles it was Human Ears.

I checked all VRCfury toggles and quest toggles

I deleted anything that was named that

[ornate stump]

At this point just add the parameter it needs to the parameter file.

[slate stone]

I’m working on an avatar wearing a trench coat right now and I want to know how rotation constraint would help.

[craggy pendant]

okiiee, Ill do that THANK YOU

[ornate stump]

Depends on how you used it. Your question is too broad for the exact answer.

[slate stone]

Alrighty, I want the lower part of the coat to move along with the characters legs.

But

The results are

Well

Too extreme

I’ll show the pictures once I’m ready

[ornate stump]

You could vary the constraint weight so it has different effect.

[slate stone]

So the hard way it is then.

Oof

[lean pasture]

i cant delatad my avis anymore

[elfin kettle]

Hello, I am new to making Avatars, for some reason everytime I make an Avatar, it appears Flipped (The Flower is supposed to be on the Left) is it just how VRChat displays the model? Or am I doing something wrong? This is probably just me being a bit stupid if I'm being honest lol

[ornate stump]

Are you looking at yourself in a mirror?

[elfin kettle]

💀 Yeah, is it flipped because of the Mirror? (Could be that)

I basically have no idea about making Avatar's so I wasn't sure

[ornate stump]

Yes. Because it's a mirror. It works like mirror in real life.

[elfin kettle]

Alright-

[quiet patio]

i made a quest compat avatar thats uploaded perfectly fine the last 3 times i did, I tried to upload it to quest a 4th time and it now shows an error bot

any help?

[brave rock]

can someone tell me why i add gestures to my avatar, and its still using the default gestures

[ornate stump]

You didn't add correctly.

[brave rock]

its worked on every other avatar ive made

so how did i add incorrectly and how can i do it correctly

[ornate stump]

There are tons of reasons for that. You should at least show how you added it.

[brave rock]

drag and drop this into gestures

just like i always do

[ornate stump]

Is it exactly the same controller as you added to other avatars?

[brave rock]

yes

[ornate stump]

Have you tested in gesture manager?

[brave rock]

yes

[ornate stump]

How was the result?

[brave rock]

....its the default gestures

[sage tangle]

What is a good way of optimizing an avatar.
I've done Textures that are small, I've tried removing meshes to see if it helps.
Physbones and collisions are fine. Animations are fine.

The uncompressed size is stuck at 55mb and I have 0 clue on how to get it down further. It's weird too, cause I've done other Avatars that are bigger and have more things yet are working on android.

[ornate stump]

There probably is more to it. What is the content of your gesture controller?

[ornate stump]

Also screenshot how the default gesture look like.

[ornate stump]

If you only took a look at the sdk build panel report, the size won't update until you start build process again.

[sage tangle]

I know

I've done tests of taking stuff away and editing it to build it again so I can see the differences

[brave rock]

what do you mean?

[sage tangle]

All I get is maybe 1-2mb down when I remove meshes

[ornate stump]

Then you should use package inspector and see what made up the size.

[brave rock]

they just look like the default vrchat gestures, but okay one second

[sage tangle]

Package Inspector?

[ornate stump]

For example, vrcworldtoolkits. Or use Thry's avatar performance tools.

[brave rock]

the hands arent broken, its just not doign the animations its supposed to

[sage tangle]

I never knew those existed

[ornate stump]

Could you double check the animation you assigned in the gesture controller?

[brave rock]

yeah, theyre the right ones

[ornate stump]

Screenshot the Animator panel

[brave rock]

same exact gestures used on a different avatar and working

[balmy barn]

not seen tracking control on those before, its already masked to only affect certain hand & its fingers

[brave rock]

im going to reimport the gestures for the millionth time to see if it works

[brave rock]

nope

[rigid nymph]

i keep getting this for all projects i make, if it helps last thing i did was unlock a mat

[sage tangle]

I still have no idea what's wrong with it

[ornate stump]

Did you take a look at package inspector?

[sage tangle]

I used the thrys thing

No idea how to do package inspector

[ornate stump]

Might as well post the result from it.

[sage tangle]

From what I can see, the blenshapes are quite high but it's... Kinda normal, if that makes sense

[ornate stump]

"Show Detail" will you?

Blendshapes can be a huge contributer to mesh size if your model has many polygon.

[sage tangle]

If it is only the blendshapes I guess I’d have to redo it with another base model

[ornate stump]

It is it.

[sage tangle]

It is?

Damn it

I worked so hard too

[balmy barn]

you need ALOT of blendshapes before i notice any difference, 2mb~ most ive seen , vrcfury can remove the ones not used for you

[sage tangle]

Really?

Thing is, I took out the meshes of the body and head just to test it and it still didn’t work

Would t that automatically remove the blendshapes too since the mesh is gone?

[balmy barn]

vrcfury blendshape optimizer add it to avatar , try play mode and you get a different mesh with less blendshapes

wont overwrite but you can see different in build size

I use this to see avatar build size compressed/uncompressed but 99% of my avatars dont even hit 30mb

[sage tangle]

I’m unsure if it is the blendshapes

I’ve had avatars with similar amounts, if not more

[ornate stump]

It definitely is a part of total size, just not all to blame on it.

[sage tangle]

Then idk what is to blame.

[ornate stump]

What "are" to blame.

[sage tangle]

When I got rid of meshes it was such a little difference I didn’t even notice it

[ornate stump]

Did you see detail of overall VRAM?

[sage tangle]

Yeh I saw

[ornate stump]

How is it look like? Screenshot.

[ornate stump]

That's the huge contributor there.

[sage tangle]

Apparently it's the Body Mesh. But as I said, I removed it before testing and still no difference.

[ornate stump]

As in you removed object the Body object from your avatar?

[sage tangle]

Yes

I removed it, deleted it, it was gone

[ornate stump]

Did you hit refresh button here also?

It should just update once you remove it, no need to enter playmode.

[sage tangle]

I took it out and tried uploading it Again

Like actually building and uploading

It gave me the error

[ornate stump]

Since it's the head and the head usually have huge amount of blendshapes, you definitely should use blendshape optimizer for that.

[crystal whale]

Are rusk, mint, and milk all the same body?

/armature?

[sage tangle]

Usaully body meshes are different per avatar

Or well... per base

[crystal whale]

Ope. I'm seeing on booth that clothes for milk should be able to be used on rusk as well.

[sage tangle]

People usually do the same clothing but for different bodies!

Usually in the package there's a prefab for each model that you can drag and put on

[warm widget]

How do u fix the clothes on the avatar because when i test it in game i move around or use play space my clothes stay still

[sage tangle]

You have to link up the armatures(bones) so they move together.

[long lava]

This is more help related to Unity than Avatars themselves, but--
I am currently trying to make custom walking animations to my floating avatar-- which is pretty much just a head. But whenever I try to make a new animation, Unity put them on the ground, which is not what I want. Is there a way to make it stay on their default position when making an animation?
First image is by default
Second image is what happens when I enable the animation preview, even when empty.

[sage tangle]

Update: the blenshape optimizer worked

[ornate stump]

If it can run unity then sure.

[quiet patio]

:( why is vrchat making my questmodel an error bot when i uploaded it a few times

[fallen cobalt]

I bought an avatar a while back that I’ve been using and I noticed that the quest limitations say to have less than 70 bones but the avi I’ve got has 100 or so. I know some of those are from a tail with physics but in what avatar-development scenario would you use more bones for the entire human frame than 70?

And is there an easy way to tell how/if I could dissolve some of those extra bones into their parents and get the same animation quality with simply less bones?

[balmy barn]

75 <> 150 bones before very poor https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system#mobile-limits

[soft python]

I have created clothes for an avatar in blender. What are the next steps for completion to make it VRC ready?I'm aware that I need to skin weight it but I'm not sure where to go from here.. Is there any documentation?

[junior void]

Depends how you wanna add them to the avatar

You have the option to merge the clothes with your avatar (include them in the avi fbx) or keep them completely separate and make it work with installer scripts like vrcfury

[soft python]

I was thinking of the latter.

I have literally just finished with the mesh. Just confused on where to go from here😅

[somber sequoia]

That's good if you want to share it or mix and match, if not I'd include it in the avatar FBX for efficiency

[junior void]

VRCF works by matching up bones and their names so you should dupe the armature and assign it to the clothes (you can delete any unneeded bones like fingers, toes - as long as the hips are there and any bone under the hips that is weight painted)

[timid terrace]

I made a video tutorial how to add custom clothing to an avatar, you could use the steps that show how to apply weights from the body mesh if you want

[junior void]

Then you can export it to unity with same scaling settings as your avi and attach it via armature link component (hips/hips, auto match)

[timid terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsuElg2Mcno

[somber sequoia]

Yes - look at all of Fuujin's videos 🙂

[soft python]

Appreciated fuujin.

[echo yoke]

hey guys ,how do i add locomotion to my avatar?

[soft python]

don't I need to unbind the duplicated armature and then bind it to the shorts?

[timid terrace]

I do it around 7:20 mark

[somber sequoia]

You don't need a separate armature until you export

[timid terrace]

GoGo loco ?

[somber sequoia]

and only if you specifically want to export it to be a standalone prefab

[echo yoke]

no i made a avatar from scrach and i want to add some runding,walking animations

[soft python]

I see.

I wanna make it standalone. Might re-use it for other avis.

[timid terrace]

Well if it's humanoid then VRChat has some by default

[somber sequoia]

yep, that makes sense

[echo yoke]

its a dino :3

generic rig

[timid terrace]

Oh ok, I never worked with generic

[echo yoke]

so u cant help?

[timid terrace]

No sorry

[echo yoke]

no problem gone search the web

[timid terrace]

Theoretically you can still do what I do the video, you just leave the body mesh when you export the clothing as a standalone

[soft python]

hmm okay!

I'll see if I can figure it out but thank you for your inputs!

for both you lot

Forgot to ask

does the duped armature need to have the same as the original or can I rename it?

[somber sequoia]

the name doesn't matter if you're going to use VRCFury to link it

[soft python]

okay

[soft python]

Is it okay if I dm you Zero?

[junior void]

sure

[umbral pollen]

I have an avatar that has a mask that ive animated to come up and down but the toggle just plays the animations, the mask doesnt stay up or down. how do i make it stick? i know im just forgetting something easy

[light charm]

well it would be easier if you added vrc quest constraints onto the avatar to make it track a humanoid one
generic avatars are kinda complicated

[umbral pollen]

nvm i had loop time checked

[light charm]

unfortunately there arent a lot of avatar creators who work with generic rig avatars

[night ember]

You arent really supposed to be using generic since its not supported and very broken

[light charm]

very untrue

[night ember]

its not a directly supported rig type so its very buggy

[plush dawn]

hey does anyone know id make my avatar always face the direction with the highest velocity? i use custom animations that play depending on speed but they always face the way i am looking not the way im moving

[cunning swan]

so i got an model in unity and parts i need to me move wont move tried unpacking it didnt work

[night ember]

you have parameters for different velocities

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/

[ruby summit]

does anyne have a method to export animations from blender to unity and keep the avatar placement? what i mean is most animations i tried to export stay frozen in the middle and dont walk around like the animation

[plush dawn]

yea i was just wondering how id make it rotate, do i have to make a seperate animation for each rotation and does it need to be the same clip as the animation itself or a seperate one

[night ember]

make a blendtree

[ruby summit]

as example, its frozen in the middle and doesnt walk around

[somber sequoia]

Probably you'll have to see if it's rigged properly. But now that you've unpacked it you can no longer update it via overwriting the FBX file - unless you really really need to unpack, don't unpack.

[uneven tundra]

Let me try to ask in here.. So my avatar preview is the size of an ant. I can't find anything that would cause it to be that way, and the problem seems to have started when I swapped out the mesh with one that has some stuff merged onto it, since the imposters look fine.. The avatar bounding box looks fine in the editor.

[somber sequoia]

did it come from blender and you had un-applied scaling transforms?

[mental estuary]

You need to enable root motion in the animation

[uneven tundra]

I don't even know how I would check for that. I just imported fbx, merged, and exported with the settings specified by a tutorial for the item I was merging onto the avatar.

[ruby summit]

and where is that, on the motion inspector?

[mental estuary]

On the animation

[somber sequoia]

So you didn't export the avatar from blender yourself? then this is probably not the issue.

[ruby summit]

here?

[mental estuary]

No. Click on the animation file

It's on the animation

[somber sequoia]

or am I misunderstanding where you didn't actually clarify...

[ruby summit]

then as i sai, in the inspector of the animation

i think are these ones?

[mental estuary]

Yes

[ruby summit]

so i enable bake into pose

[mental estuary]

🤷‍♂️ just play around with it until it works

It's different for different animations

[uneven tundra]

I followed a tutorial for the entire process. The tutorial specified the export settings.

[somber sequoia]

Again, we're talking blender here, right?

[ruby summit]

it works perfectly tysmm

[uneven tundra]

Yes, blender. I would not normally merge meshes because of difficult issues like this but I need the other mesh to follow visemes

[somber sequoia]

Okay. in Object mode, click on various mesh objects and in the 'Item' view of the sidebar that pops up when you hit 'n' make sure location and rotation are 0,0,0 and scale is 1,1,1

[uneven tundra]

There were two that were 0.000007d rotated for some reason. I'm not sure that would cause an issue though? Scale is 1,1,1

[somber sequoia]

that's not statically significant.

[uneven tundra]

The tutorial tells me to export with the settings Apply Scalings FBX Units Scale, No leaf bones, tangent space geometry

[somber sequoia]

Units scale? Interesting. I do FBX All. And haven't ever clicked Tangent Space.

[uneven tundra]

I tried all local and got a stick figure

[somber sequoia]

yeah if you're overwriting an existing .fbx you don't want to change that

[uneven tundra]

I'm importing new instead of overwriting because I have two different ones to save triangles by only merging the things that need to be on a particular avatar.

And then changing the mesh on the avatar object in the project

[sharp steppe]

hmm. I think I'm missing some textures after uploading somehow.

[mighty phoenix]

What do people mean by P2U?

[vagrant crater]

just wanting to ask to ask but dose anyone know a video where i could learn how to apply a blood texture on like a body of a full model and be able to turn up the intensity of it with a slider

[balmy barn]

if you are on pc ? use a decal and crank the color/emission on it using a motion time/float

(can also mask out parts of the skin to be affected)

[uneven tundra]

Ugh I'm thinking this is a bug in VRChat

I put in the same mesh, regardless of export settings. I'm getting three different bugged avatar sizes in the preview.

Can't find any reason for it with any bounding boxes, and not even messing about with the scale of other objects changes anything.

imposters are correctly sized. the boundings listed in the avatar details are correct. It just.. has broken the preview

[warm delta]

is there issue SDK coz i put right 2FA code in and thinks bad request when shouldnt

and SDK on latest 3.8.0 on Avatar

[mental grotto]

Hello I was told that I can come here to ask for help on how to export my avatar in Unity as a VRM file

[desert elk]

export a vrm?

you mean, convert a vrm to fbx?

fbx being the file type that's used in vrchat

I'm not sure why you'd need to export the vrm file

[warm delta]

to change VRchat avatar to VRM need use UniVRM SDK to convert it but this not vrchat related for VRM

[desert elk]

I wouldn't recommend it

[somber sequoia]

do it in Blender

[heavy horizon]

hey chat, i'm having an issue. I have a halo with particles that's clearly above my head but no matter what I do, the particles are visible in first person, even if they should be far away from the viewpoint. Any ideas on how to fix? I tried using headchop to scale the particle systems to 0 but it still shows in first person.

[desert elk]

it's buggy and leaves a lot of stuff that's not needed for vrchat

bad performance too

convert it in blender

https://youtu.be/6ITTI5KwC3o?si=2dgZoOdF5fimkcqF

vrm to fbx in 4 minutes

in blender

[mental grotto]

It's not for VRChat, it's literally for Animaze. I asked in that server already, and didn't really get any help (rather more of a comission-scam artist). I asked in Unity's discord server, and they told me to come here

[desert elk]

let me get this straight

you want vrm to fbx?
or fbx to vrm?

https://youtu.be/sSBFUj-D0U4?si=u47a1lPUmgc4dkxX

this is for FBX to VRM

obviously you will need the files for the avatar

[mental grotto]

Take my project/avatar in Unity, export my model as a VRM file, so I can upload to Animaze.

This is what I'm currently looking at in Unity:

[desert elk]

okay, so you could find this helpful

[mental grotto]

But I don't have Blender though....

[heavy horizon]

its free!

[desert elk]

blenders just for exporting anyways

since you have the Avi you don't need to export it

just take the fbx and follow the rest of the steps

and blender is free anyways in case it turns out you do need it

the first seconds of the video the model is exported from blender

so you don't even need blender

since you have the file already

[mental grotto]

I guess I'm having trouble finding the FBX file then.

[desert elk]

I can't help you with that, because the prefab is unpacked

[heavy horizon]

since i was accidentally interrupting earlier,i figured i'd ask again now that things are calm-
hey chat, i'm having an issue. I have a halo with particles that's clearly above my head but no matter what I do, the particles are visible in first person, even if they should be far away from the viewpoint. Any ideas on how to fix? I tried using headchop to scale the particle systems to 0 but it still shows in first person.

[somber sequoia]

In your particle system, set "scaling" to "hierarchy" [edited to add] I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think it works 🙂

[heavy horizon]

gonna try immediately, i'll let you know if it works!

[heavy horizon]

it worked!!!! Thank you so much!

[somber sequoia]

oh good 🙂

iirc that means basically "scale the particle system along with the hierarchy of game objects it lives within"

so it scales when HeadChop scales down the GameObject

[heavy horizon]

that makes sense! Particles are like the one part of avatar creation i have zero knowledge of, thank you for the explanation!

[somber sequoia]

if you want to learn more, there's a bunch of cool particle effects packages in the Unity Store for free, they're fun to pick apart and learn from

[empty ermine]

Hello, so, the model i imported into unity is perfect when it comes to configuring the humanoid bones but when it comes to the cape bones, they're not there and i was wondering if theres something I could do to fix it because I don't want the cape to be static.

this is what it looks like in blender

[desert elk]

I believe non humanoid bones don't show up on that view

[somber sequoia]

looks like one bone, which I do see in the hierarchy on the left, so I'm not sure what you're missing

[desert elk]

if you want the cape to move, you should add a phsybone to it

[empty ermine]

how can I do that?

[somber sequoia]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/physbones/

[empty ermine]

ough thats a lot of words-

[somber sequoia]

it is?

[empty ermine]

sorry its my first time doing something like this so my brain is like fuzzy

ive been at this for like a day already

[desert elk]

https://youtu.be/PTTnWUkswkU?si=2mHrbk5P94MsygjG

video tutorial

for hair, but same idea

[empty ermine]

thank you

[empty ermine]

ok so i watched the tutorial but when i move the body around, the cap still doesnt move? Maybe I have to mess with some settings but it still stays in idle

[somber sequoia]

the cape mesh is weight painted to that bone right?