avatar-help

[wild needle]

oh wait

im gonna remove it

[compact dust]

also how long did you wait for it to upload

[wild needle]

I pressed build & publish waited it out

then it just errored

and every time I try to build it attaches a blueprint id

[timber wharf]

uh, detaches? thats 'normal', vrc sdk does it every time smth else went wrong

[somber sequoia]

This looks like the networking issue that's been happening for a while, nothing to do with blueprint id. That's a side-effect.

[wild needle]

is there anyway to fix it?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure (it hasn't happened to me) but it's been talked about in here, maybe there are some clues in the history

[wild needle]

ok

[timber wharf]

@wild needle uh, timeout usually judt means AWS not happy with your ip

try using mobile data/vpn/restarting router

[wild needle]

ok

I can try that

[limber hedge]

I just bought the Usasaki model and I'm confused about what this is. I can see they're physbones and contacts, but why are they not in the armature?

[keen pollen]

none of my toggles work on my avatar

[timber wharf]

@limber hedge vrc components usually can have root overwritten. ie depite being wherever, they affect bone defined as its root.

like quality of life feature

[limber hedge]

oooooh

thank you

so, for example its an empty component with a physbone script attahed to it with the root set as a specific bone in the armature?

[somber sequoia]

yes

it's really useful to be able to put them in arbitrary locations, you can prefab them

[limber hedge]

is there a built in function to check if a bone has been grabbed? I noticed this in the fx layer

There are no colliders on the ears

[timber wharf]

someone enterd it there manually

[somber meadow]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/physbones#options

in the physbone component write what the parameter you want to be named in the parameter field

[limber hedge]

oooooh thank you

:3

[empty hill]

ive set up an int hand toggle for my right hand with 2 different items, and one of those items i want to make a transition in the gestures when you do the open gesture to play an animation, can anybody tell me why this isnt working i literally have no idea, everything here seems to be set up correctly ive triple checked that the things i thought i needed to check are checked

sorry that interruption source is set to next i also had that set to none and it didnt work i was just trying things

[somber sequoia]

are any of the conditions used in the AnyState -> something transitions used in those that aren't working? 'cause you may just have to either not use AnyState, or make these all branch directly from AnyState. It's hard to judge though without knowing the transition conditions here

[empty hill]

nevermind sorry i fixed it by doing all my toggles manually without the any state

[wintry hatch]

with VRC fury how do I make a radial slider Decal alpha activate gradually and not start at 100

[lilac mulch]

This is probably easy, and I'm overthinking it, but how would I make a toggle that turns on a plane in my right hand, then snaps to my left hand when I close it? Basically just a line that I can stretch and shrink between my hands. Here's a scuffed MSPaint drawing of what I mean

[dark jay]

does anyone have issues with the avatar sdk it doesnt load sometimes and i have to reboot unity

Lmk

[crude bolt]

I'm having an issue with an avatar I'm trying to upload for a friend. The uploading process does through unity and it does appear in game, but on her end it would always give her the error "Failed security check"

I tried reuploading it a couple of times but still nothing

[compact dust]

what version of unity

[crude bolt]

2022.3.22f1

[compact dust]

top 3 console errors?

[crude bolt]

Uuh all it tells me is something about the shaders

[compact dust]

welll lemme see

[whole matrix]

i could really use some help i googles how to fix it and it said to delete ur cahce so i did and it still didnt work anyone have any ideal how i can fix this

[compact dust]

what did you delete ._.

[compact dust]

lemme see all the red errors, clear the console

[crude bolt]

There doesn't seem to be any red errors

All yellow

[compact dust]

well then try uploading again

i already forgor your error

[worldly marlin]

i made a model and im trying to import it into unity, every body part is a separate mesh kinda like a wooden puppet, the humanoid rig absolutely hates what i have and also the ears export way detached from his head, anyone know how to fix it?

[somber sequoia]

imo join those parts, there's not a lot of reason to keep them all separate, and it's inefficient.
Otherwise, you rig is missing parts, see the pinned messages in #avatar-rigging for a sample

[worldly marlin]

its a retro style model so theres not supposed to be any deformation, thats why everything is separate, if i join them is it gonna cause issues with that?

[somber sequoia]

not at all

deform is a matter of weight paint, not meshes being separate

[worldly marlin]

okay

i suppose i have to rerig then

[somber sequoia]

not for that reason

[whole matrix]

all the cache

[compact dust]

obviously shouldnt have deleted it

[worldly marlin]

joining everything does break the whole thing

[whole matrix]

i was geting this error before deleting the cache and after googleing how to fix it an articel from unity said to delete the cache so i did and i still have the error

[worldly marlin]

he gets stuck in t pose

[somber sequoia]

I generally work with my avatars split into parts in blender and join into two main mesh objects (body, clothing) when I export. So you've got something weird going on there.

definitely apply all transforms before joining, and any modifiers like mirror

[worldly marlin]

right i did that

well actually how do i see if i applied transforms

i applied all modifiers alr

[somber sequoia]

look at the object before joining, if any of the rotation or location or scaling things are not default, it's got transforms

[native rampart]

how do i weight paint this hair correctly?

[worldly marlin]

0 / 1.0?

[somber sequoia]

yeah unapplied scale and rotation

[worldly marlin]

okay so 0 everything and then 1.0 on scale?

[somber sequoia]

no, apply the transforms

select object, ctrl+a, all transforms

if you change those values it'll scale or move or whatever

[worldly marlin]

ohhh i see

still having the weird ear issue

well i guess i can put the bones in later so ill join the head and ears as one

[somber sequoia]

you'd have to show what the issue is

oh I see the image

[worldly marlin]

ok we're in

[somber sequoia]

looks like unapplied transforms there too

[worldly marlin]

yeah strange the ears dont have unapplied transforms

but when theyre boned they export far away

[oak phoenix]

Where would we find community made json files to import into the beta Dolly camera system?

Hoping to find MMD style pathing for dance videos, and I'm quite amateur

[bleak ruin]

is there a way to force a remote view perspective of your avi? I'm trying to debug an issue that isn't present locally

[somber sequoia]

in unity in play mode using Lyuma's AV3 emulator, you can spawn a remote clone and observe what happens to it while you test things

very useful

[bleak ruin]

is there a way to see the quest version doing that? My issue is my avi is fine on PC but the quest version has the clothing invisible until I update an animator (use Gogo or something), but the issue is only present for other players. Loading vrc on my phone doesn't show any issue

[somber sequoia]

oh I don't know, I think you'd need two actual clients

I mean, you could test the quest version in unity though

[worldly marlin]

any reason the avatar is facedown in the thumbnail? i tried exporting 90 degrees on the X axis but it just makes face down 0 degrees

[somber sequoia]

but specifically trying to see the quest version while wearing the PC one, I don't think so

[bleak ruin]

I mean testing as the quest in unity works too

[somber sequoia]

Which way is it facing in Blender?

[bleak ruin]

I haven't been able to figure out how to do that

[somber sequoia]

switch to the quest avatar and test

[gentle swift]

Is there a way to adjust the hue of a quest avatar with the default VRC shaders?

[somber sequoia]

they're separate avatars in unity, after all

[bleak ruin]

that's... way simpler than I expected

[somber sequoia]

some things are

[worldly marlin]

-Y

[somber sequoia]

and you aren't messing with the export settings regarding axes?

[worldly marlin]

what should it say

rn it says -Z forwards

[wild needle]

if i use the visemes for the mouth it doesnt work most of the time when talking

and it like only works sometimes

[worldly marlin]

im guessing change to -Y forward?

[somber sequoia]

no, don't change it, leave it default

in Unity, +Y is up

[worldly marlin]

leave it -Z

its at -z forward y up

[nimble stone]

how do I find avatars?

[somber sequoia]

#1138520828556890214 ?

[nimble stone]

I still can't find the one I'm looking for

[somber sequoia]

so it goes

[bleak ruin]

Is there a way to restore a deleted game object when the parent object is still linked to the prefab? Kinda like you can do with deleted components inside a game object

undo won't help since I removed the object a few days ago but turns out deleting it broke something else that wasn't immediately apparently

[pine valley]

Is that object from the prefab asset?

if so, you can simply revert the override that deletes it

if not, then no, because the object is gone

[bleak ruin]

the object was in the prefab in the hierarchy, but it still in the prefab asset

[pine valley]

check the Overrides dropdown on the root of the prefab

it lists everything that's been changed

[native rampart]

how do i weight paint this hair?

[bleak ruin]

man thanks so much. That's exactly what I needed

[compact dust]

do you want it to move

[nimble stone]

how do I create an Avatar?

[compact dust]

#avatar-development-links

[nimble stone]

ty

[native rampart]

the top part with the head

[compact dust]

what about it

[native rampart]

if you look when i turn the head back the hair goes infront of my head and like floats off when i look down

[compact dust]

maybe cus its not painted correctly

orrr doesnt have bones to help with that

[native rampart]

do you have a video that i could follow, i have never tried to weight paint hair yet. Kinda new and my last projects where spider man and a knight

[compact dust]

look for a tutorial

[pine valley]

You have too much weight on the head bone

You could start with automatic weights from the hips -> head chain of bones

[tidal atlas]

Would anyone know how to fix the blurriness of the texture for avis. In unity it looks fine but when I publish it's blurry

[worldly marlin]

im back

its importing -90 degrees X is that fine?

[compact dust]

that's normal

[worldly marlin]

okay

[compact dust]

smth about blender and unity having different x y z directions or wtv

[worldly marlin]

hes face down here does that matter

but fine in here

[compact dust]

that's probably fine

[worldly marlin]

okay

[compact dust]

if it doesnt cause problems then like, 👍

[worldly marlin]

is there an easier way to deal with these

[compact dust]

you have to manually do it

to my knowledge

[worldly marlin]

okay

what ab bone length 0

[somber sequoia]

#avatar-rigging - show us your armature in Blender

Ideally in octahedral mode so it's easy to see bone direction

[worldly marlin]

okay

like this?

[wild needle]

the mouth visemes dont work even though they are set up correctly

[somber sequoia]

again there's a channel for this, but you seem to be missing some spine bones

[worldly marlin]

oh okay

[bronze loom]

Alright this issue has been plaguing me for about 2 weeks now. I will fix ALLLL Issues with an avatar or there will be none and it refuses to upload. What should I try to fix it. Cuase it seem the only thing that works for some unknown reason that only god has the knowledge to but turning my computer off and coming back the next day lets it upload.

[short ferry]

So I uploaded an avatar to quest and aparently it got rid of the physbones??

[compact dust]

too many physbones = delete all

[short ferry]

damn

that sucks

[round comet]

You can manage them with vrcquesttools. Easier that way

[half ice]

hi can anyone tell me whay some blendshape dose not work in unity after export from blender ?

[worldly marlin]

uhh what reason would his face be the only thing thats not exporting

[half ice]

show me your exporting sittings

[arctic ginkgo]

does anyone know why animations from blender may be exporting completely blank?

the animations work in blender

[half ice]

idk .... normally should work maybe open ticket

[worldly marlin]

oh its inside out

or outside in i guess

confusion

o i see

turning culling off in poitoon rendering fixed it

other than the weird shading on some parts its fixed

[half ice]

kk nice

[worldly marlin]

trying to look thru everything and see if theres anything different

[timid kite]

ive never seen bones like this, how would this work in unity with vrc sdk?

[worldly marlin]

this is now just kinda a mess with the settings thing?

im using poitoo

[half ice]

nice face avatar btw

[timid kite]

ty

💀

[half ice]

😂

[ornate stump]

You should properly flip normals in blender. Because if this get shader blocked, the head would still be invisible.

[worldly marlin]

recalculate?

also ya ur right

find whats getting taken out in the export and flip them?

[ornate stump]

Recalculate is automation process to flip normal to correct direction, may not work as intend and must always check the result. Flip normals is for manually fix a few faces.

[lament ledge]

Anyone know how to fix this issue? It seems like my visemes mesh together when used, inside VRChat is the same issue 😬

[worldly marlin]

thx good catch

[ornate stump]

Commonly cause by having mix Write Defaults among all the states.

[lament ledge]

I tried checking on and off with all the write defaults for the visemes but it seems to not effect it. 😓

[ornate stump]

It's for all the states among all avatar playable layers. Take a note on the sdk and see if it warned you about write defaults or not.

[lament ledge]

I hadn't gotten a warning about write defaults but I had gotten one about VRCFury when entering play mode.

[ornate stump]

Warning in ths sdk is show in the sdk build panel. You are looking in unity console.

[lament ledge]

ohhhhh yeah theres a warning there 😅 thanks

Once adding I think gogo loco back onto my avatar it prompted me with a write defaults fix from VRCfury 😁

Thank you for the help 😊

[worldly marlin]

LMFAO what happened i can move the camera like its freemove

i dont think i see anything 💀

my guess is this isnt how its supposed to look lol

wait i see him

💀

[timber wharf]

@worldly marlin you have left some camera inside avatar

[worldly marlin]

how do i fix it lol

theres something way down below thats being exported as well?

[ornate stump]

Just remove the camera inside of your avatar.

[worldly marlin]

ohhhh the unity camera

wait

[ornate stump]

The "Main Camera" is outside of your avatar and that doesn't have any effect.

[worldly marlin]

the eye camera?

there isnt a camera

[ornate stump]

Might as well search for t:camera

[worldly marlin]

in unity

[ornate stump]

in the search box right above your previous screenshot.

[worldly marlin]

camera?

[worldly marlin]

just kinda turns everything white

[ornate stump]

Because everything isn't in search result.

[worldly marlin]

mhmm

[ornate stump]

Clear the search. Do you see a white line protuding from avatar feet when selected?

[worldly marlin]

ya

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot again but entire unity window?

[ornate stump]

Rotation is weird. It supposed to be 0,0,0.

[worldly marlin]

right i asked about it earlier but someone said it was fine and my export was fine

something about unity and blender having different axises as forward

or something

[ornate stump]

It is. When exporting, try enable "Apply Transform" from blender.

[worldly marlin]

ive had that enabled since the start

[ornate stump]

My model would even stand upright in fbx preview image. Does armature object in blender also have rotation?

[worldly marlin]

so i applied transforms with select all so everything is applied

he does face -Y tho

and -Z forward might put him face down

[ornate stump]

I leave export direction as default, not sure if that would affect anything.

[worldly marlin]

it didnt

hes upright in the preview tho

[ornate stump]

I meant in fbx file preview thumbnail.

[worldly marlin]

yeah

hes face down there

[ornate stump]

Which is strange.

[worldly marlin]

yeah

ive tried making an avatar multiple times and every time its been like that

that wouldnt cause the weird boundary would it

[ornate stump]

For boundary, try checking in fbx file in blender and inspect each of mesh asset, see bounds value.

[worldly marlin]

its duplicated all my bones

[somber sequoia]

flip the faces in Blender, it's way more performant than turning off backface culling. use the face orientation layer to check if need be

[ornate stump]

Sorry, I meant to type check mesh asset in unity.

You shouldn't reimport fbx into blender.

[worldly marlin]

ok

im not realy seeing anything in the floor

[ornate stump]

You should look for bounds number.

Also screenshot to confirm where you're looking.

[worldly marlin]

bounds number?

[ornate stump]

Are you looking at inspector showing mesh asset?

[worldly marlin]

like this right

[ornate stump]

From fbx file from project panel.

[worldly marlin]

all of this

[ornate stump]

That Sphere.005 is sus

[worldly marlin]

oh shit i was looking for htat

[arctic ginkgo]

does anyone know how to avoid this dip for floor collisions?

[worldly marlin]

that didnt fix it :(

bounds

[lavish atlas]

How do i fix this

[worldly marlin]

do i need a skinned mesh renderer

[somber sequoia]

if you're rigging this, just as it says, your spine hierarchy is wrong

[somber sequoia]

if you have a mesh object that's attached to an armature, it'll be a skinned mesh renderer

[worldly marlin]

okay

[lavish atlas]

Thanks

[worldly marlin]

it didnt fix the huge bounding box thing

[worldly marlin]

ya i went and selected all in blender then did view-to-selected and it worked fine, if there was anything weird there itd zoom out i have no idea what the issue is

[oak phoenix]

Anyone?

[pale wigeon]

i was working on a scarlet witch from marvel rivals for vrchat and i exported an animation from the game, i wanted to edit it but it wont let me i was gonna do some material swap and particles and audio for accuracy but record and preview is greyed out.

[timber wharf]

@pale wigeon drag animations onto avatar root in hierarchy, then select avatar and pick animation from list

for now its not tied to any animator

[lavish obsidian]

does anyone now why that happening?

[brittle wigeon]

Wut?

[desert elk]

the hair being invisible? disable backface culling in your shader if it's for pc

for quest you will need to use blender

[lavish obsidian]

tysm!

[pale adder]

I have an avatar that's arms are constrained so they can be longer without making the proportion bad for fullbody tracking, but it also means that when i pick up items in games they stick to my real hand and not the puppeted one, causing it to appear in my arm rather than hand. is there a way to get around this? im imagining there likely isn't because it could cause exploiting, but thought it worth asking

[pale wigeon]

did that and it worked! Tysm

[fervent spear]

hey guys how do i fix my avatar only emoting when you look at it? for some reason it pauses when you look away, its very annoying because it causes the music go out of sync with the emote
(also the audio doesnt begin playing until you look at the avatar too?)

[left gull]

How would i setup a contact reciever/sender to play a full animation after the sender has been removed from the reciever? not too sure if ive currently got my stuff setup entirely incorrectly but for Constant,On Enter and Proximity the animation stops after my item is even slightly removed from the reciever's collider

[still shuttle]

I would just make the arms slightly longer in blender instead of using a constraint

[pale adder]

if i do that either the legs don't track properly or the arms won't stretch out fully with my arms

so it looks odd

[gentle goblet]

I am trying to add a metalic pic to one of my materials that use poiyomi 9 but I have no idea where to put it >~>

[fallow gulch]

There is a reflection tab in Shading I believe
You can find a slot there for a combined texture
You can open the drop down next to this, and you can see all the different reflection related texture slots

[fervent spear]

i tried turning on always animate as my culling mode but it didnt do anything ;/

[fallow gulch]

This will not work, because this is set back to cull by the game
Instead, you could use a culling cube if needed, to not let people to cull your avatar, when it wouldn't be visible normally

This doesn't bypass the distance hider or anything though
Just the fact that someone is not looking at you

[fervent spear]

what is a culling cube :o

[fallow gulch]

You can see a system like this on the VRLabs Marker for example

Basically this is a cube that starts off small, when you upload it, and when you enable a certain feature, like an animation or something, then you would scale up this cube to around 1k on each axis

You'd have a fully transparent (most likely cutout transparency) material

[fervent spear]

ooh, interesting

is this the only way to fix it? or are there different ways

[fallow gulch]

But yeah, if you need a reference, check out the VRLabs Marker

[fallow gulch]

Basically the only way

I can't think of anything else

[fervent spear]

ohh ok, thank you:)

[fallow gulch]

Np ^^

[still shuttle]

No idea why but Lip-sync is not working no matter what I try?
I have set it up in the usual way I set it up for every avatar, but in - game its not working. Her mouth just doesnt move. Blendshapes work fine, there are no animations forcing them off, I am confused asf

[fallow gulch]

Is there no tracking control state behaviour anywhere that turns off the mouth tracking?
If it is turned off, then visemes won't work

Also, if you animate visemes in an animation, that will also break them

[still shuttle]

Wdym by this?

[still shuttle]

No visemes are animated

[fallow gulch]

There is a state behavior that you can add to states in your layers
It has many different toggles that can change if something is tracking or animated by an animation currently

[ornate stump]

You must assign all viseme slot. You were missing one.

[still shuttle]

this usually doesnt break it, also the avatar does not have a viseme for that slot

[still shuttle]

Where do I find this?

[fallow gulch]

https://vrc.school/docs/Avatars/State-Behaviours/#637521443d8245cb9e233bd50f036fab

Animator Tracking Control
But maybe it is the missing visemes.. who knows?

[ornate stump]

It usually breaks it, if not always. It'd be strange if it's viseme for vrc but missing the sil one.

[still shuttle]

I have had it work with avatars that didnt have all the visemes so Im not sure

[ornate stump]

You could search in this channel, missing viseme is always the cause.

[still shuttle]

also im not seeing anything that looks like this at all

[fallow gulch]

Then it must be the missing viseme
You could try making one

Just take the avi to Blender real quick, make a new blendshape on the mesh that already has the others, and name it properly
Replace the FBX in place (with the same export options you used before)
And you are done

If it was you, who exported this avi that is

[still shuttle]

Oh fuck that lmao
I have no idea how ppl make face exprs in blender or make the mouth move like that with the blend shapes
Sculpting it just makes it look like shit LMAO

I set this avatar up in unity, someone else built it in blender
I think they deleted the shape key

[fallow gulch]

You don't have to move a single vertex
You just have to add a new one, and name it

Or if the avatar has a shape key that does nothing, then you can just assign that as the silent viseme

[still shuttle]

aight bet so just add a shape key with the proper name?

[fallow gulch]

Yeah

[still shuttle]

Ill give it a shot tysm

[fallow gulch]

Np, hope it will work out

[nocturne ice]

hii I'm new here so I don't know if this is the place for asking about bugs here I looked online and could not find anything useful
when I click on a VRC expressions menu or try to make a new one with the inspector is open unity starts loading and never stops

if I am tabbed out of the inspector or if I have in debug mode nothing bad happens I just can't use it

[still shuttle]

I would say make sure ur PC has the specs to run unity cuz thats an odd bug

[nocturne ice]

9800x3d

I'm good on that part

I have other projects that work fine idk what's with this one though

[sinful root]

why are my avi's hands switched? seems correct in blender and unity

[pine valley]

make sure they aren't switched on every avatar you wear :p

i can't think of anything that'd cause that

[ornate stump]

You likely had model mesh facing wrong direction.

[pine valley]

oh, that is possible

[split sentinel]

not sure you're still looking into this but I would 100% swap your middle state for any state instead, it will drop the amount of arrows needed to by half and make it easier to work on. helps avoid spider webs

[lament ledge]

Oooo that would be a blessing to not have to make the whole web of viseme’s 💀
I’ll try this when I get the chance at home 👀👍

[split sentinel]

I could make an example for you and send a quick video if youd like C:

[sinful root]

which direction should it be facing? I tried rotating it but didn't fix

[sinful root]

others work

[pine valley]

When you select the root of your avatar, the blue arrow should point forwards.

[ornate stump]

In blender, it must face -Y direction, also apply rotation before exporting.

[split sentinel]

would you like me to DM you about it when you're free? I can help out XD believe me, It took me ages to learn about it

[balmy barn]

blendtree easy , if you want to use any state you better disable can transition to self cause thats its default

[pine valley]

Ensure that this is set to "Local" and "Pivot"

otherwise you might get misleading results

[spark walrus]

ive been banging my head against my monitor in unity for 2 hours straight, can someone please help me figure out how to change eye color

[pine valley]

e.g., this is correct

[split sentinel]

still would be a good idea to teach them about any state anyway for things other than visemes...

[worldly marlin]

is it a huge deal if my avatar has 17 materials but theyre all like 5 pixels big

[balmy barn]

no reason to have more then 1 in that case

[worldly marlin]

or should i atlas them anyway

[pine valley]

That sounds like a great candidate for atlasing

[worldly marlin]

alright

[pine valley]

Each material requires a constant amount of extra work to draw

[split sentinel]

...what... clothing toggles bro, some people have lots of clothing options and it helps to completely avoid spider webs

[pine valley]

So, many small materials will be disproportionately expensive to how much they're giving you

[worldly marlin]

okay

[pine valley]

(they'll also nuke your avatar rating)

[worldly marlin]

is there a way to join meshes into one while still having them be able to move independently?

[somber sequoia]

ctrl+j

[split sentinel]

In blender

[somber sequoia]

but what do you mean "move independently"?

[pine valley]

If they're skinned meshes, then yeah, just join the objects

[spark walrus]

anyone?

[somber sequoia]

need more detail. is it a separate material? part of another texture and you need to recolor the texture?

[spark walrus]

i have no idea lmao

that’s why i need help

[somber sequoia]

you'll need to figure that out

[worldly marlin]

it might just be a me thing but i join the meshes and hes stuck in t pose and all the bones move the entire model

[pine valley]

you need to at least find what draws your eyes

[spark walrus]

I tried to change the texture color

it did nothing

[balmy barn]

pc have many ways of doing hue changes

[spark walrus]

it stayed green

[somber sequoia]

Mesh moves along with bones because of vertex weights, which you generally set via weight painting.

[night ember]

you can still do clothing toggles with a single material and without spider webs?

[split sentinel]

not talking about materials, sorry, different convo

[spark walrus]

do i need to edit the shader?? im genuinely lost

[worldly marlin]

but ya u see how each mesh moves completely independently

[night ember]

also with the blendtree

[somber sequoia]

how did you assign the movements? This is one armature, right? With all vertices for each mesh weighted to a specific bone?

[split sentinel]

once again, not talking about materials.... some people have tonnes of toggles linked to 1 int and have it with arrows going back and fourth, just telling someone they can use any state... yall coming at me for helping

[pine valley]

As long as you actually weight-painted these, and didn't just parent individual objects to the bones, it'll work fine.

[worldly marlin]

each bone is assigned to a mesh

not weightes

[balmy barn]

all those unconnected bones going all over

[pine valley]

Okay, so you'll need to give the vertices some weights.

It will be pretty darn easy.

[night ember]

I saw it wasnt about the material and started talking about that

[worldly marlin]

okay i can work on that after getting the thing to work

hes still face down ill try some stuff

[somber sequoia]

"assigned" how exactly?

[worldly marlin]

we're getting somewhere tho

[split sentinel]

I'm just trying to teach someone about any state 😭

[worldly marlin]

iirc the bone is parented to the mesh or vice versa

[spark walrus]

I just want to change the damn eye color 😨

[somber sequoia]

Ahhh. Okay so ideally this should be one mesh object as a child of the armature, and you use weights to get parts to move with each bone.

(you can keep them split up to work on it, but ideally join to one mesh before export)

[worldly marlin]

okay

[pine valley]

You can select the entire chunk of mesh with L, turn on face masking, then hit ctrl-X to set the weight.

press 1 to turn on face masking while in Weight Paint mode, or click this guy

make sure the Weight slider is set to 1

Once you do this, turn off face masking, select a different bone, and repeat

[somber sequoia]

yeah if they're rigid parts, this should be easy, all vertices for each whole part gets a weight of 1 for one specific bone.

[pine valley]

(double-tap A to deselect all faces after going back into face-masking mode)

[night ember]

you could do that entirely in edit mode since its just a weight of 1

[somber sequoia]

yep

[pine valley]

oh true -- that makes it much simpler

[somber sequoia]

lots of ways to do this

[night ember]

just select the whole part then assign it a weight of 1

[pine valley]

pick a vertex group on the right, then use this Assign to Active Group operator

you can attach the model to the armature with the "Empty Groups" option to get set up the vertex groups

[night ember]

parent it to the armature with empty groups and now you have your entire list of bones

[pine valley]

yeag

pick a group -> select-linked the relevant parts of the mesh -> assign

[worldly marlin]

the face down export biting me in the ass, how can i fix this, ive tried messing w the axises but nothing changes

[sinful root]

thanks for the help @pine valley @spark walrus but its still not working, I tried rotating all 4 directions. I applied the rotations into the mesh.

[pine valley]

What are you actually seeing in Unity?

[somber sequoia]

not the issue but "apply scalings" should be "FBX All" in most cases.

[pine valley]

I need to see this.

[spark walrus]

anyone??

[somber sequoia]

wait, is that model not in t-pose in Blender? That's a problem

[spark walrus]

it cant be that hard of a question

[somber sequoia]

we still have no idea how the avatar is setup, so no idea what to suggest you do

[spark walrus]

i sent a screenshot

maybe take a look?

[sinful root]

it is not, its in this funny pose from maximo lmao

[somber sequoia]

missed it, but it looks like the eyes are at the bottom left of that image. Re-paint them.

[spark walrus]

I did that

[somber sequoia]

you'll want to fix that

[spark walrus]

and reassigned the texture

its still green

[somber sequoia]

then look in the material properties to see if there's a decal or emission or something else overriding that

[spark walrus]

where do i find that

[somber sequoia]

... in the material properties

[spark walrus]

that

doesnt help

lol

[somber sequoia]

poiyomi.com has good documentation

there's nothing more I can tell you given the info you've provided

[spark walrus]

I dont know what info to provide???

[somber sequoia]

I literally told you were to look though

[pine valley]

you have the avatar. we don't. there's an asymmetry here.

[somber sequoia]

also probably unlock the material

oh it is, good

[spark walrus]

its been unlocked

i have genuinely no clue how to view properties of the material

its nowhere where i look

[somber sequoia]

it's literally in that image you shared

the "properties" are all the settings you can change, including which texture is used

Look at the rest of the properties in there

[spark walrus]

in the entire dropdown menu??

[somber sequoia]

what dropdown? Under where you dragged the texture file in the material, those options there are all "properties"

[somber sequoia]

yes

that ^

many of those things can be opened up and poked at.

[spark walrus]

errr ok

gimmie a moment

[worldly marlin]

could this have anything to do with it

[somber sequoia]

what is that and why?

[worldly marlin]

my model is exporting face down

[somber sequoia]

oh I see - no, that looks normal

[worldly marlin]

.

[desert elk]

is this the whole model or just the mesh that's in the fbx when you expand it?

[worldly marlin]

i might be able to rotate him face up and if its gonna rotate 90 degrees itll be the right way lol

[desert elk]

.

cause if you

[worldly marlin]

nope that didnt work

[desert elk]

cause if you're talking about the mesh in the fbx when you expand it, there is a fix that i know, but idk if it's recommended cause i've never seen people talk about it

[spark walrus]

@somber sequoia thank u lol it was under emissions

[somber sequoia]

Yep, I figured it would be there, eye glow is quite common

[spark walrus]

now that leads me onto two more questions

[somber sequoia]

you can probably check the "use base color" option and it'll do that instead

[spark walrus]

is it possible for me to add decals to my body model?

like tattoos or little graphics like stickers if i wanted

[desert elk]

yeah sure

[somber sequoia]

again, material properties, there's a whole section for decals, they're really useful. I use them for tshirt logos mostly

[desert elk]

just edit the texture of the body

[desert elk]

or that

[somber sequoia]

you could definitely edit the base texture but often the resolution isn't great on the areas you want to put detail onto

[spark walrus]

here?

[balmy barn]

decal tab, enable add some image position it on the texture

[somber sequoia]

there

[spark walrus]

how do i add anothe decal?

or is there a limit of 3

[somber sequoia]

there's a limit of 4

0-3

[spark walrus]

oh damnit

[pine valley]

The actual mesh does wind up face-down

But that's fine -- it gets rotated in the model prefab

It will look very silly in the mesh preview though

[worldly marlin]

someone said as long as it works it would be fine

but i guess not lol

[bright silo]

On body Decal 0 is tattoos, Decal 1 is abs definition, Decal 2 is Skintone 1/2 and Decal 3 is Skintone 2/2.
All are animated so if you remove one you'll need to adjust the animations controlling it, or disable the Animated status if you don't plan on the change being toggleable.

[pine valley]

Did you drag the model asset into the scene?

[spark walrus]

if i wanted to replace an existing texture, how would i do that?

[worldly marlin]

yeah hes fine in the scene which is why i thought things would be fine

[pine valley]

I think you're missing the armature!

[somber sequoia]

yeah if you haven't done all of that stuff with re-parenting the mesh and weighting it, don't worry about it flopping down now

[pine valley]

Oh, yeah, this thing needs to get parented to an armature

It's correctly incorrect (:

[worldly marlin]

its parented in blender

[somber sequoia]

show the hierarchy in blender

[worldly marlin]

heres unity

[somber sequoia]

that is your project view, not of any use at all

[somber sequoia]

where is the mesh?

[pine valley]

fold up that entire "Pose" section

[somber sequoia]

ok so it's not parented right in blender

[pine valley]

nah, I think that's right

[pine valley]

you'll see "Armature" as a sibling of the objects

[somber sequoia]

ah ok much better

[worldly marlin]

ya mb

really showing how limited my blender knowledge is even tho i can make and rig characters lmao

[pine valley]

i've only recently started really understanding the internals

[worldly marlin]

this is where hes facing but exporting it with -y forward Z up does nothing

wait

all bone rolls should be 0 right

[split sentinel]

trying to make a vrchat minecraft bow with particles but when it collides it goes back to the original rotation

[worldly marlin]

o no nvm that did nothing

[worldly marlin]

omg i love that

[split sentinel]

its cool but its bugged :C

[worldly marlin]

do u mind if i friend u, id love the prefab if u ever get it working

or i guess if i ever get my avatar working lmao

[split sentinel]

its gonna be for sale

[worldly marlin]

o oka

[split sentinel]

just need the arrow to stop being weird when it hits the wall XD

[faint dirge]

can anyone help me? the expression selfie tracking isn't accurate for me

when i wave my hand it just stops in the middle and the hand goes down

[split sentinel]

could just be vrchat, its still a really early test build of the feature

[faint dirge]

i've seen a video and for a guy it runned pretty smoothly

[split sentinel]

webcam quality

[faint dirge]

okay yeah it's probably the camera

[split sentinel]

yeah, vrchat are still working on it

give it time

[faint dirge]

can i maybe use my phone as a webcam?

[sinful root]

yep, that solved it. Thank you!

[split sentinel]

could work better maybe, phone has better sensors

[faint dirge]

is there a tutorial for that?

[split sentinel]

what phone?

[faint dirge]

should be android

[split sentinel]

oh ye

just get droid cam, it links to OBS virtual cam

tonnes of tutorials for that

[worldly marlin]

if i export him like this with use space transform off it works but i doubt the armature is gonna like that

[static bough]

Anyone know the best settings for Poi to replicate an anime/cell type shading?

[pine valley]

The armature and model should line up when you clear their position/rotation/scale

(alt-g/alt-r/alt-s to clear those)

[split sentinel]

poiyomi have a server for help

[pine valley]

If they wind up in the wrong orientation when you do that, line them up and use the Apply Transforms operator

[static bough]

Omg I forgot i was in there

I have so many servers

[worldly marlin]

ive already done apply transforms before

[pine valley]

okay, and when you clear the transforms, how are the objects oriented?

[somber sequoia]

did you transform it after that though?

or re-parent?

[worldly marlin]

so i applied it to this

[desert elk]

no

[pine valley]

well, that's not going to work

[somber sequoia]

'cause you may need to do orient it properly then apply again.

[desert elk]

they should line up

after that apply everything

[worldly marlin]

this makes him face down in unity

[somber sequoia]

but..... I see a bunch of relationship lines there, that is probably an issue you don't need

[desert elk]

a - to select everything
ctrl a - apply all transforms

[worldly marlin]

yes

ive done that

[somber sequoia]

do you still have those mesh objects as children of bones? You shouldn't.

[pine valley]

This is the only correct orientation .

Don't do anything other than this

[desert elk]

yeah, that's also a bit off

[worldly marlin]

i didnt change any of those

[pine valley]

The goal here is to merge all of the objects into one mesh and then weight them to your skeleton.

[somber sequoia]

that doesn't tell me what the current state is though

[pine valley]

You should not have many small objects.

The single remaining object should not be parented to a bone

It should be parented to the armature.

[worldly marlin]

okay

[somber sequoia]

you can have many small objects but but don't have them parented to bones

[pine valley]

(i believe the goal was to get rid of the big pile of renderers)

(and material slots, by extension)

[somber sequoia]

yes - merge them before export, but you can certainly work with them separately.

[worldly marlin]

well right now the only goal is getting it functional

[oak phoenix]

Day 2, please does anyone know?

[somber sequoia]

it seems like that's highly dependent on the scenario

[novel thistle]

Hey guys, i've made an vr boxing legue based on the boxing game totf2. Dm me if you wan't to join, we got fight cards, offer coaching and sparring and have press cons in rec room and vrchat : D

[somber sequoia]

off topic and rule #10

[oak phoenix]

When it was released, it was said community made json files can be shared for built camera pathing

Just not sure where they would be shared

[somber sequoia]

sure, but I can't imagine those not being highly specified

probably the creator of said file would host it however they like

[oak phoenix]

Dang. Guess I'll just have to play the waiting game

[somber sequoia]

I guess I'm not sure what you want here

[past cobalt]

hey im trying to reinstall gestural manager but it isnt working saying something about avatar tool

[somber sequoia]

feel free to paste the errors

[pine valley]

hmm, I see no such type in the AvatarTools.cs file

maybe I'm a bit out of date -- what version of the Gesture Manager package are you using?

it'll be listed in the Manage Project menu for your project in the VCC

[past cobalt]

3.9.3

[pine valley]

I'm also on 3.9.3, so that's odd

Oh, I see

var bPointVector = receiver.shapeType == ContactBase.ShapeType.Sphere ? aPointData.outPos0 : aPointData.outPos1;

var figures out the type for you, and it's a float3

[somber sequoia]

there's a bug due to the beta SDK, either revert back to a previous SDK or fetch the patch from the gesture manager discord

[pine valley]

huh, how is that even possible?

[somber sequoia]

VRChat changed a thing

[pine valley]

i could see the beta SDK no longer referencing Unity.Mathematics, but I don't think that assembly references are transitive...

[somber sequoia]

https://github.com/BlackStartx/VRC-Gesture-Manager/issues/70

[pine valley]

i.e. A -> B -> C doesn't mean A -> C

(but i could be wrong about this)

[somber sequoia]

ah here's the canny report: https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/377-beta1-changes-to-unitymathematics-should-invoke-sdk-380-instead

[pine valley]

ooh, did they change the types that get returned

[somber sequoia]

yeah, very bad thing to do on a patch release

[pine valley]

they DID

bad vrchat! bad vrchat!

no treat

That's a really annoying error!

[somber sequoia]

yup

it's the kind of error that you would never expect on a patch release

[pine valley]

The type changes from Vector3 to float3, but since Gesture Manager is using var, it's still valid code

[faint dirge]

tbh the droid camera may be better but i still have problems with it

the tracking is iffy

like when i try to clap my hand together my hand lower themself automatically

is there a tutorial for the best settings for this?

[somber sequoia]

what droid camera?

[pine valley]

i can see how it'd happen, since Vector3 and float3 feel very similar

[somber sequoia]

oh totally

[faint dirge]

it's an android camera to use on pc

[somber sequoia]

does this have something to do with avatar development?

[faint dirge]

wdym

[somber sequoia]

this channel is for avatar development

[burnt briar]

y does this not work?

[gloomy kettle]

Im workin on an avatar which is an edit of multiple models to create a sableye avatar. I've run into this new issue which wasnt an issue before. The video was taken before the issue arrived and this screen shot is the current issue. I checked to see if I messed something up in blender and so far everything seems okay on the blender end of things. The only thing I did in between the time frame of the video and the ss was add clothing to the avatar so what could've done such a vile thing :(

[somber sequoia]

haha that animation is great

[gloomy kettle]

Lol I know, i use it all the time, thanks :D

[faint dirge]

uhh

woops?

[somber sequoia]

no worries, just trying to figure out what you're talking about 🙂

[faint dirge]

i'm talking about the selfie expression thing

the new thing

[somber sequoia]

ahhh

yeah probably not the right channel then

[faint dirge]

which one is the right channel

[somber sequoia]

dunno!

[worldly marlin]

why am i in the floor

[desert elk]

is your origin point correct?

between the feet?

[worldly marlin]

yes

[pine valley]

for a sanity check, drag a new copy of your model into the scene

this rules out any weird settings on the SkinnedMeshRenderer

[gloomy kettle]

oh yea i did that. I put in a copy, didnt tamper with it at all and when I went into play mode, shoulder still said "f you"

So maybe it is a blender thing? Which im probably now realizing as when I rotate the shoulder, I get the same effect

[pine valley]

so the t-pose looks okay, but if you rotate the shoulder bone down, it looks funny?

yeah

You might just need to adjust the weights there.

[gloomy kettle]

Now I have no idea how to even fix that though

So like

How do I do that

[native rampart]

i bought this model and everytime i try to apply a new rest pose it breaks?

[pine valley]

I'm not very experienced there! I know that joints can be a pain the butt..

[gloomy kettle]

yeah i just tried to mess with it and it made it worse 😭

my question is, what could I have possibly done to achieve such a stupid error 😭

[sonic timber]

what does the ? means. can i not use those avatars anymore?

[native rampart]

they got taken down

[desert elk]

deleted

yeah

or got taken down because it was too big

or something

[sonic timber]

damn

sad

thx tho

[worldly marlin]

anyone know how to make 2d visemes?

[compact dust]

there are tutorials, but personally idk

i think i've helped someone before, but idk if it worked my way or not

[timid kite]

is there a way to turn off textures inside of the avatar to save on texture space?

[compact dust]

idk about "inside"

but you can lower the resolution which i think each lvl (512 to 256 for example)

is like double the space? not sure how it works

but usually i change mine from like 2048 or wtv to 512

[pine valley]

There's a Viseme animator parameter that you can use to control an animator layer

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/

[pine valley]

four times!

https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools can list all of the textures you're using

[compact dust]

oh yuh
cus 2x one direct
2x the other

[pine valley]

very useful

[compact dust]

i forgot how squares work apparently 😔

[uncut lotus]

I wanna move something in Unity. Im trying adjust the position, and just curious, is there a way to move things without having to use these arrows and those squares?

[compact dust]

not that i know of, besides rotating

why are you trying to move ze fingy bones

[native rampart]

I assume i have too much weight on the bone right?

[rocky axle]

So i was testing out a Model in the Emulator, When my PC Hard Froze ( no mouse no notting) and i was forced to shut down my pc and Forced it back on
now i have these errors

I tried:
uninstalling and Reinstalling Av3 Emulator
Boot it up, With and Without AV3 Emulator
And Reinstalling all Packages,

Can somone help?

[compact dust]

should just be the area around the bone i think, im not very good at weight painting tho so take my advice with a grain of salt

[rocky axle]

(heres 2 set of images i tried getting all the errors)

[somber meadow]

Remove Av3 Emulator entirely from the project with VCC and show the errors that you get

[uncut lotus]

I was having an issue where Unity messed up the fingers, and that's the only way I've been able to fix it so far, was fixing it manually

[rocky axle]

sure thing one sec

[rocky axle]

now i just seem to have the Asset Vr labs ragdoll system thing

[keen orbit]

i tried to publish my model but this happened

should i just make a new file?

[frigid void]

can someone tell me why the eyes dont move in playmode

[keen orbit]

actually nvm the enitre thing crashed and fixed itself

[solemn herald]

Hi! Wondering if someone can help me out with testing my custom clothing ☺️ I don't have a vr setup myself, but want to make assets and clothing for avatars. This tshirt is made for and weighted to ZinPia's EGirl. Would anyone with this avatar body be able to help me out with some testing?
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask 🙏🏼

[desert elk]

can you not test it in pose mode? 🤔

[solemn herald]

Yeah I have and everything works on my end. Just curious if other people who have been making avatars for longer than me would find everything they expect from custom assets/clothing. Hopefully it'll all work fine, I just can't test the entire process myself as I don't have a VR setup☺️

[bronze loom]

Can someone, anyone please help i have no idea why bu no avatar will upload for me all i can do is test builds help

[desert elk]

do you have an official account with a high enough trust rank?
and are there any errors?

[junior kayak]

how to merge all the material slots into 1 or few

is it doable on unity ? or i have to go through blender

[bronze loom]

Ive been uploading avatars for 3 years

this perseits with all avatars

except the text builds

[fervent spear]

hey i had an idea that im not sure is possible..? is there a way so that when im emoting and audio is playing, the audio only plays when the avatar is visible in someones FOV? and maybe when they like start to look away from the avatar, it could fade out or get quieter, and when the avatar is not in their FOV anymore it pauses the music altogether? and when they look back its the opposite and begins playing again?

[austere bay]

is your sdk and vrchat creator companion definitely up to date?

[bronze loom]

This issue has made me factory reset my pc just to make sure it wasnt a virus

i just installed everything

[austere bay]

definitely didn't need to do that

[bronze loom]

the only thing i kept was my avatars on seprate drive

[austere bay]

sorry </3

since you've reinstalled the vrc creator companion and sdk, is the issue still there?

[bronze loom]

yes

[shrewd stirrup]

does anyone know how to swap audio clips on an animation?

[somber meadow]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors#animator-play-audio

[shrewd stirrup]

i don't get it, the audio is on the physical thing

you cant swap it like its a texture or sm?

[somber meadow]

Textures can't be swapped

But you'll need to use the animator state behavior

[native rampart]

Does anybody know how to weight paint?

[spark walrus]

can anyone help me find avatarsss

[winter edge]

How come when I turn on my mirror it animates my dissolve toggle that already finished

[junior kayak]

how to merge all the material slots into 1 or few
is it doable on unity ? or i have to go through blender

[native rampart]

avatar-search tab i found is usefull if i know what avatar i want to find

[spark walrus]

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1356078250958258300

[native rampart]

import your avatar into blender and join the peices together

[fervent spear]

does anyone know if this is actually possible to do

[native rampart]

i dont think it is possable in unity

[junior kayak]

how do i export an allready modified avatar into an fbx file

[native rampart]

from blender?

[desert mirage]

I know this is niche, but is there a way to batch upload avatars?

uploading, say, 10 at once

[arctic ginkgo]

does anyone know how to fix this visual glitch in blender? i've struggled with this for a long time but I haven't been able to find anything about it online

it happens when i hide most of the mesh, i'm just trying to isolate an area to work on, but the lines appear between random hidden vertices instead of the shown ones

this effects UV editing as well

it did create this interesting visual though

(i haven't unrwapped these parts yet)

[junior kayak]

i manage to convert my avatar from unity into a fbx file but it dont work in blender, no error shows up it just not doing anything do nothing

[arctic ginkgo]

there should be no need for conversion, avatars are in fbx format already, what format is your avatar in within unity?

[junior kayak]

in prefab

im trying to export my avatar into blender but its not showing up in blender

[ashen crane]

hey! im having a LOT of trouble with visemes with my recent avatars, so even when i set up my blendshapes as visemes, and even when my avatar says that it has lipsync, for some reason, when i talk, the visemes dont work like AT ALL, idk what is going on, please someone help

[gloomy flint]

i love getting compiler errors on a brand new project i havent even opened yet because of reasons unknown to me

[somber sequoia]

is there not a .fbx file?

[cunning ocean]

hey, i need help uploading 2 avis i just bought, please dm me if youre willing to help <3

[compact dust]

just watch a video or use the probably included instructions

[cunning ocean]

my laptop cant run unity

[compact dust]

thenn you cant upload it, and its illegal to share files

[cunning ocean]

ooo oki

thank you !!

[cunning ocean]

yeah, i have the creators upload them for me

but one had trouble and the other doesnt have a discord

[somber sequoia]

it amazes me that creators are willing to do that

[compact dust]

to upload it for ppl who cant?

[somber sequoia]

yes

[gloomy flint]

'let me risk my entire account for maybe 5 extra dollars!'

[cunning ocean]

some usually do a fee but i only had that happen twice

[gloomy flint]

if the person youre uploading for gets banned, you get banned

[compact dust]

rlly?

[gloomy flint]

yes, youre accounts get permanently labeled as alts

[compact dust]

well that's not skibidi

[gloomy flint]

and its against TOS to share accounts

and, yes, signing into someone elses account to upload for them is account sharing

[compact dust]

hm.

[gloomy flint]

you know how easy it would be to have an alt account and if both your accounts get banned you could just say 'its not my alt, it was some random guy who helped me upload avatars' if it wasnt against TOS to do it

[ashen crane]

please anyone?

[somber sequoia]

Show us some detail, we've got nothing to go on here

[ashen crane]

i literally cant explain it further, visemes dont work, even when properly set up in the vrc descriptor

[somber sequoia]

show us how you have them set up then. Confirm that you can move the blendshapes in unity and that works

[left gull]

bump

[somber sequoia]

there's your issue - you must have something unique in all slots.

[compact dust]

i have an avi with none :D

idk if it works-

[somber sequoia]

it shouldn't, especially missing sil

also supposedly you can't duplicate them either

[compact dust]

i mean i dont have lip sync on so idk if that matters

[somber sequoia]

so yeah, it doesn't surprise me this doesn't work

[compact dust]

but i digress, work to do

[ashen crane]

weird, im pretty sure i recall having avis that have duplicates that still work?

[somber sequoia]

that's news to me.

[ashen crane]

hm.

[compact dust]

hm.

[left gull]

pretty sure as long as you have SIL,CH,AH and OH it'll work even if used in multiple slots though using -none- (at all) and SIL in anything other then sil makes it not work from what ive tried

[somber sequoia]

yeah you've got to have sil

[ashen crane]

ah so its -none- the problem?

[restive cipher]

anybody open to helping me with a shader issue?

[somber sequoia]

just ask

[ornate stump]

Might as well just eraborate your issue.

[restive cipher]

ive been having this issue with poiyomis shaders. whever i do the peace gesture with my avatar the main material disappears and all thats left is the body outline. this happened after i added outlines to the avatar and i have no clue what caused it between before and after adding it

[ornate stump]

Do you test with gesture manager?

[junior kayak]

i set my avatar into the way i want on unity then convert it into an fbx file. but when i import it blender nothing shows up. no armature, no mesh, not bone, nothing. not even an error. i tried to find a solution on internet for 4 hours but couldnt find anything.

[restive cipher]

yes it happens both in unity and in game (sorry for the mistype)

[somber sequoia]

by "set" you mean what? Ideally the blender -> unity path should only go one way

[ornate stump]

Test with gesture manager and see how the mesh renderer changed, material, material properties, blendshapes, etc.

[junior kayak]

i put the assets together

[somber sequoia]

yeah I don't think this is going to result in what you want

[restive cipher]

i fixed it sorry for the inconvenince

[frail temple]

I was importing a game character model and I noticed something strange, even after atlasing normal maps and specular maps they look different from eachother, and not just that, there's a fourth texture called aoB

[native rampart]

is this going to have a big impact on FBT?

if so im sure it is easy to fix

[frail temple]

No

You're fine

[native rampart]

ok

just didnt know if it would be noticable

[frail temple]

That error is negligible

[native rampart]

do you think it would make more sense to put the veiwpoint in the head or on the outside

[somber sequoia]

in - you want it pretty close to the center, or it'll shift the whole body around weirdly when you look up and down

you'll get scammed here - go to the VRC Traders discord. Link is in #1204490664637890580

[dense sinew]

Go to vrc traders
In #1204490664637890580

[frail temple]

Anyone have any idea about this?

[somber sequoia]

without seeing what it is and understanding the model, nope?

[frail temple]

Sorry, here are the textures
1st is the texture itself, second is normal map, third is Specular map, and the fourth is just called aoB

[ornate stump]

ao usually stands for Ambient Occlusion

[frail temple]

Oh okay that makes sense, so i just atlas the Ambient Occlusion files like i did with the Specular and Normal maps?

[ornate stump]

Yes

[frail temple]

Okay very good, sorry, only files i've worked with before dont have any of these maps, Ambient Occlusion won't affect performance in Vrchat and will improve the look i am guessing

[ornate stump]

Every texture has performance impact of some sort. It just doesn't get into performance rating calculation.

[native rampart]

why do the legs turn in?

[frail temple]

I see, so how do i add the ambient occlusion to the game model?

[ornate stump]

If a shader supported it, it will have a slot for it.

[frail temple]

Woops

[ornate stump]

You could just multiply with factor 1

[frail temple]

Is there no difference because there's no color set on the Diffuse BSDF?

[frail temple]

Is that with FBT or regular headset?

[native rampart]

FBT

[native rampart]

↑

[frail temple]

And all other avatars look fine? Weird... Show the rig for this avatar

[still elbow]

if you're still availiable after this can you help me in #avatar-rigging ?

i have 2 quick questions and i need to know what to search up for a tutorial on something i wanna do

[frail temple]

Can i get a sideview

Third numpad

[still elbow]

the feet...

did you not lock your camera to the front facing axis????????

😭

[native rampart]

why would i do that

[frail temple]

Make the thigh bone and ankle bone straight and fix the feet bones

Don't enable the toe bone in Unity

[native rampart]

yea just did that, ill try it now. i didnt notice at first

[frail temple]

Delete the leaf bones aswell

[still elbow]

your mesh will follow the bones exactly, so this janky rig will snap to the humanoid animation set and thus screw your mesh over

[snow goblet]

attempting to make my own fx controller for facial animations controllled by hand gestures
having issues with stuck faces and weird looping issues
here is my fx controller. i have a bool called "sad" which switches to a 2nd set of animations. it does switch the set like i wanted it to, but the looping and stuck issues happen
heres what the path from the 2nd set of animations looks like from idle to open, though i cant notice anything glaringly wrong here.

[native rampart]

what is that

[still elbow]

maybe not specifically but something like this i imagine

[snow goblet]

as soon as i sent a message i noticed i put greater rather than equals oghhh

[frail temple]

When exporting out of blender as FBX, Blender has an option called Add Leaf Bones, it adds bones to the ends of your toes and hands and head, accidentally screwing up the rig

Hold up, i'll send a vid

[native rampart]

i got it

[somber sequoia]

that shouldn't "screw up" anything

[frail temple]

it screwed up my avatar in unity cause it registered the _end so all finger movements were exaggerated

[somber sequoia]

that's not how that works

[snow goblet]

i thought those leaf bones had no weight. are you sure thats what the issue was?

[somber sequoia]

right

unless you mean you didn't have 3 finger bones and unity picked the leaf as the last one

(and you didn't fix it)

[native rampart]

could it be because the parent of the legs isnt the bottom?

[somber sequoia]

that's not unreasonable

[frail temple]

@native rampart

[smoky kernel]

excuse me guys how do i uppload an avatar from the game into the program

where do i get them?

[frail temple]

You mean how to upload an avatar from the unity project into blender orr?

[smoky kernel]

unity

an already existing avatar in the market, you see im trying to make it quest compatible and i don't have any idea of what im doing

like where do i find the avatars

[frail temple]

The avatar you're getting is FBX format?

[smoky kernel]

no idea what that means sry 😦

[frail temple]

Give me a picture of what you're working with

[smoky kernel]

one sec

@frail temple this one

[somber sequoia]

if you want to find where to get that, make a post in #1138520828556890214

[smoky kernel]

i just want to know where to download the model

[somber sequoia]

yes

[smoky kernel]

k

[smoky kernel]

do you see it?

[somber sequoia]

what?

[junior kayak]

i created an atlas on blender but it looks wrong on unity how do i fix that

[desert elk]

wrong?

[smoky kernel]

the post

[desert elk]

it's there

[somber sequoia]

no, I didn't look, I was just suggesting what you should do

[smoky kernel]

im saying it because everytime i post something only i can see it

[still elbow]

what is the IOS field for?

[night ember]

For the ios platform?

[still elbow]

you can play vr chat on mobile???

[somber meadow]

yes #android-announcements #ios-info

[night ember]

Both mobile platforms yes?

[somber sequoia]

... I really don't know what you're talking about

[still elbow]

oh, crazy

good to know i dont need to make an upload for that then

gonna finally be able to test my model

[somber meadow]

iOS translates Android avatars anyway

[smoky kernel]

k, uhh do you know where to get the model?

[somber sequoia]

no, that's why I suggested you go ask in the right place

[junior kayak]

i created an atlas on blender but it looks wrong on unity

[smoky kernel]

does someone know how to get the model of already existing avatars for vcc?

[somber sequoia]

buy it from the creator

[crystal sierra]

You're trying to rip avatars?

[smoky kernel]

rip?

[crystal sierra]

It sounds like you are trying to pull a 3d model directly out of VRChat, that isn't a normal functionality of the platform

[smoky kernel]

i just want to make it quest compatible

i just can't get my hands on the model

[night ember]

Buy it from the creator

[fallow gulch]

Extracting an avatar (or any other content) out of the game is TOS, even if you own it

[crystal sierra]

Correct. What @smoky kernel is trying to do is a method generally used to steal people's models and would be against TOS

Unfortunately unless you can find where the creator got their model from you're out of luck

[smoky kernel]

k

[fallow gulch]

Well not me, but yeah. I get that you pinged me to agree with me hehe

[crystal sierra]

Oh yeah, just saying you're correct lol

[fallow gulch]

Just clarifying, before an out of context screenshot gets me xD

[crystal sierra]

fixed haha

[fallow gulch]

Thank you 🙏

[crystal sierra]

Also, where I'm here, would this be the right channel to ask some sort of of nitty-gritty questions about skinned mesh renderers in unity? 😛 or would that be too advanced

[fallow gulch]

But yeah, besides this.. so many people just lose their projects over time as well
So.. making backups is super important too

Well.. ask away, and we'll see :P

[crystal sierra]

I'm trying to swap in a mesh that I've added y-type split to the tail on and trying to find a way to avoid setting up all of the constraints and colliders and stuff again manually

The only problem is it sort of mandates using a rig with more bones tacked on and a new mesh

[somber sequoia]

it'll probably be fine. if it isn't, pumkin's tools to copy stuff to a new one

[fallow gulch]

Yeah, and if that fails... just do it manually ^

Which sounds like pain, but it pays off

[crystal sierra]

I'll see if I can find that!

[night ember]

Why didnt you just overwrite the old mesh

[crystal sierra]

What's interesting is I can swap the mesh with the single tail onto the skinned mesh renderer of the y-split character version (because one side of the tail keeps the old bone names) but not the other way around even if I add in extra bones into the armature in the way I assume it's wanting

[somber sequoia]

yes, that's my "it'll probably be fine" case

[crystal sierra]

As in, change the mesh that the skinned mesh renderer is referring to?

[night ember]

You cant add bones in unity

[night ember]

As in overwriting the file itself

[fallow gulch]

Just make sure to have a backup, if you are swapping FBX files, where you added / removed bones in the FBX

[night ember]

Albeit keep a backup of the old one

[fallow gulch]

Before I do something so risky, I usually backup the full project first

[crystal sierra]

Fortunately I haven't done any real work on the avatar base other than making new textures, so there's not much to worry about backing up haha

[night ember]

I mean if it isnt unpacked itll just overwrite cleanly

[crystal sierra]

Would that stand a chance of keeping all the components that are added to bones like constraints, colliders, etx?

[night ember]

Albeit it will remove components on bones that no longer exist be it entirely or if its moved to another parent

[somber sequoia]

it almost always works fine for me, yep

[night ember]

Only removes in those 2 cases

[crystal sierra]

Huh, interesting

For the avatar I'm working on the setup isnt' saved as scenes, but rather as prefabs with everything set up in there. I guess the hope is that if I save over the FBX in the project, anything I dragged in with those prefabs (including armature) will now refer to the new FBX?

[somber sequoia]

as long as you didn't unpack the model prefab, it'll be fine

[gusty flume]

Hiiii im having a problem where my avi is rigged as humanoid but the creator companion is saying its not mapped?? Is it maybe a bug or am I missing something?

[fallow gulch]

Did you set it to humanoid after dropping it into the Unity scene?

[gusty flume]

I might've I dont remember. Do you think redragging it into the scene would fix it?

[fallow gulch]

Yes

[gusty flume]

Okay I'll try that rn ^^

@fallow gulchTy for the help! It worked

[fallow gulch]

Yay! Glad it worked out :D

[crystal sierra]

Update, it made the model completely disappear 😭 ah well

Noticed that even though the overwritten fbx has the new tail bones when I open it, the packed prefab does not have those bones

[fallow gulch]

Which almost always happens to me if I add / remove bones and overwrite the FBX :(

Overwriting the FBX is not a clean solution in many cases sadly :\

[fallow gulch]

Not trying to aktshually you or do an "I told you"
I was just hoping it would work out for you

[crystal sierra]

yeh you're all good, I appreciate the suggestions. I'll look into what Pumkin's tools can do, or else just take a lot of screenshots of components lol