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[alpine badge]

ill dig at it tmrw

thanks

[winter kite]

I have a question about setting up face tracking if anyone's able to help me out. I'm trying to set up some basic face tracking for my avatar. I've never done this before, but followed a tutorial on YouTube. I'm not looking for FULL tracking, just a few things like the brows, eyes, and jaw.

A friend of mine who has face tracking tested the avatar and the eyes worked, but nothing else. In the tutorial I followed, all they showed were to create simple blend trees like these for paramaters I wanted to use. Am I missing something here? Is there something else I need to do?

[somber sequoia]

there's a whole discord for face tracking that might be of some help

[full furnace]

If I upload it separately to Windows and android all works fine. The results should be the same as when uploading both at the same time, right?

[somber sequoia]

if you use the same blueprint ID for both

[full furnace]

I'm sorry but I'm not sure what it means. It's one of those settings here?

[sour linden]

how hard would applying shaders to an avatar be?

[desert elk]

not hard,

just select the materials and pick what shader you want in the inspector

[desert elk]

blueprint id is in the inspector

click on your avatar in the hierarchy and scroll till you see Blueprint id

[sour linden]

wait what? can you explain it like ur explaining it to a 5 yr old

[desert elk]

find material in assets, click material, in the inspector (right side with the default settings) at the top there will be shaders drop down, you can pick which shader you want there

[sour linden]

what about a shader i downloaded myself?

can i drag n drop it or sum

[desert elk]

to install a shader you usually drag and drop it

click install

and they appear in the shader drop down

[sour linden]

oh, okay!

[desert elk]

some shaders are connected to vcc though, so it depends how you got yours

[sour linden]

oh

i cant send links

[desert elk]

you can't send links to ripper websites

aka websites that steal from creators

[sour linden]

its a ripper website??!!??!

[desert elk]

yes

I saw the link in the notification

[sour linden]

oh. i'll stop using it then. i wasnt aware. im only recently starting vrchat

[desert elk]

that's what it is

yeah, use Gumroad, booth or jinxy

one of the three most popular avatar websites

for shaders people mostly use poiyomi or liltoon

[sour linden]

👍

for finding or making shaders?

[desert elk]

poi and liltoon are names of the shaders

you can find both on github

poi has their own website too

[sour linden]

when i download a shader i get like

a png and a .shader

[desert elk]

what shader?

[sour linden]

just any

scrolling on gumroad

every single shader

says i'll get a .shader and a png

(almost every single one)

[desert elk]

maybe just drag and drop it in?

[sour linden]

which one...

[desert elk]

cause shaders are usually
.unitypackage

cause they have a lot of stuff in them

[sour linden]

ohh

[desert elk]

and the unitypackage you drag and drop

[sour linden]

oh wait. yea

[uncut yoke]

I probably should have come here sorry. Feeling entirely lost

[hard turtle]

TwT

design is wierd ;-;

Looking for critiques :)

[misty ridge]

Anyone knows how to fix this? 🥲

[misty ridge]

Well tbf im tryina upload it through a potato

[uncut lotus]

Dude, it feels like theirs some sorta plauge on my avi, causing diffrent parts to have this back face culling like affect. I had an issue with the teeth, and tounge in Unity, and a piece of the hair in blender

[safe mesa]

How can I make a specific part of an avatar constantly animate? Cuz I want to make it so that the eyes here pulsate like this

[ornate stump]

You rather have to animate it in unity.

[nocturne lintel]

To answer your question, firstly that would need to go in the additive layer

[fiery crow]

yeah u can do it in unity for something that simple

[uncut lotus]

So, the teeth and tongue are normal in Blender. I generally have no clue whats going on and can't find nothin on it.

[nocturne lintel]

You can export animations from blender to Unity..

[fiery crow]

keyframe start and stop, then right click and set it to linear i think

(or maybe its constant, i forget on the top of my head, 2nd nature to me)

[fiery crow]

well yeah ofc

[nocturne lintel]

That looks like you are using calculated normals for Blendshapes, or you have some bad normals in the mix if it isn’t when you are changing your Blendshapes

[uncut lotus]

Whats that mean? Any way to fix it?

[nocturne lintel]

Since you are using a toon shader, my suggestion is to not use any normals for your blendshapes if it is the first issue.

Import Settings on the FBX

[uncut lotus]

Wait, so I need to change my settings for exporting it?

[ornate stump]

Did you actually check with face orientation view?

[uncut lotus]

Bro, I completely forgot-

Thats what it was. Thanks sm

[nocturne lintel]

Normals == Face Orientation for future reference.

[frail temple]

You're a life saver! only weird part is when i recalculate the outside the eyes become red and the character's eyes are closed , happens with all avi's even though i took every step you did, must be the import settings or something...

[nocturne lintel]

Since you are in blender, do you have inverse culling on?

Sorry

They name it something different, in the shader properties

[frail temple]

Backface culling is Off

[nocturne lintel]

Turn it on

Then see if those faces appear invisible

If so, you can select the malicious faces, and flip them individually

[fiery crow]

u can individually select that mesh in edit with with L

then atl+N to flip it

(the eye parts)

those are the shortcuts for it

[frail temple]

Very good, i am still confused on how when following his exact steps both using the exact model, i get a different outcome...

[nocturne lintel]

Well the computer will have certain floating errors if you mean recalculate outside

[frail temple]

I see, how come his model's eyes are open but mine are closed?

[nocturne lintel]

You got a shape key set to 1?

(Or you are in edit mode with a shapekey selected)

[frail temple]

Model's imported from a ASCII.Mesh format, no shapekeys

[nocturne lintel]

Maybe they use UVs for open closed?

That would be weird on a high fidelity model

Weird, but very possible

[safe mesa]

How do I get the animation to play

[verbal oar]

does anyone know how to have transparent hair on quest 2 avatars?

[desert elk]

you don't
you can try using one of the particles shaders, but it's probably not gonna look good

quest doesn't have transparency

quest particles: multiply, additive

[modern gyro]

poke hey new to unity and everything and i have a question (thank you if your taking the time to help) im putting new texures on a model and the eye texture went on but for some reason its almost like some of the parts from the old texture is still showing? how do i fix thiss feel free to @ with answer tysm :Heart_bounce_n_squish:

[nocturne lintel]

You can look at the proper list of materials by looking at the FBX and going to the Materials tab. Or if you already have it in your scene, just look at each skinned mesh renderer

The usual layout for a model in the scene is like this:
- Model Name
- Armature
- Some Mesh Name 1
- Some Mesh Name 2
- ….

Those meshes are usually Skinned Mesh Renderers, and will contain a materials field

[uncut lotus]

Bro how do I make this pop up?

[nocturne lintel]

Is the gizmo gone for you?

[uncut lotus]

Is that what its called?

Cause if so ya

[nocturne lintel]

Yeah, all on screen things that help with navigating or modifying the Scene are known as Gizmos

[uncut lotus]

oh

[nocturne lintel]

First, you are on Scene and not Game right?

Game will only show the Active Camera view

[uncut lotus]

ya

[modern gyro]

i fixed it tysm < 3

[uncut lotus]

Ive been using Unity without it for a while, but being tired, moving around without it is making me stupid mad, so I figured Id try and get it fixed

[nocturne lintel]

It is Called the Orientation Overlay

So right click in the scene and show me the Interface that appears when you do so

[safe mesa]

Guys how do I make additive animations

[nocturne lintel]

I am used to Unity 6, so we have a new method of modifying the location of that and many other overlay gizmos

[balmy barn]

click on av, no gizmo to show on that object

[nocturne lintel]

No he means the orientation view

[balmy barn]

that thing yes i hidden that on accident before

[nocturne lintel]

This guy

You open it in Gizmos screen pre Unity 6 yeah?

Post you can right click and reopen it.

[uncut lotus]

Right click on what, cause Im not seeing anything with that wherever I click

So lost

[nocturne lintel]

Well, let’s take the easier path, right click where the tabs are in the center, (where the Scene tab is, but not on it, just next to it). Then open a new Scene Window

That should give you a scene view with the default layout.

[sour linden]

could you guide me through this again

[uncut lotus]

I found it

[sour linden]

i have drag and dropped my shader.

[uncut lotus]

It wasnt popping up when I did that I litterally accidently clicked something on the way

[ornate stump]

Hit tilde key(~) to open gizmos menu.

[uncut lotus]

:)

[nocturne lintel]

Bruh

[uncut lotus]

That worked too lol

[sour linden]

guys how do i apply shaders to avatars

[safe mesa]

@nocturne lintel I need help with this

I imported the animation but it won't play in unity

[nocturne lintel]

In the current version it should be under the Gizmos Button, (that weird lil sphere with the three dots)

[ornate stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAnDMUbWt8&t=160s

[nocturne lintel]

So if it happens again that should fix it

[uncut lotus]

ight

thx

[nocturne lintel]

You need an animation controller

On your FBX that you exported to Unity, do you see the animation with the mesh?

It’s a triangle looking thing

[safe mesa]

Yes. I see it here

[sour linden]

i forgot how it is i "playtest" the avatar in unity

.

[ornate stump]

Use Gesture Manager.

[nocturne lintel]

Cool, firstly, did you make your avatar humanoid?

[safe mesa]

yup

[nocturne lintel]

Coolio

[sour linden]

OHH YEA I REMMBER NOW

[nocturne lintel]

Now make an Animation Controller, and just drag the animation into the front layer

[ornate stump]

Note that the word "Animation" and "Animator" are 2 different things.

[safe mesa]

how would I do that

I think I see the problem. It didn't export correctly

idk

[somber sequoia]

lots of shaders on github are just the single file

[safe mesa]

Wait does it not animate in unity?

[desert elk]

oh okay, I didn't know that

[uncut lotus]

Sorry to keep asking qestions, but I wanna have the had formed around an item. How do I make a shapekey for that?

[nocturne lintel]

Are you using Bones to animate?

[safe mesa]

yes

[somber sequoia]

make a new shape key, select it, go into edit mode and reshape the mesh however you want

[safe mesa]

Should I not be doing that?

[nocturne lintel]

Can you look at it via the viewer?

[somber sequoia]

(don't make new vertices)

[safe mesa]

so like, through blender?

[uncut lotus]

Can I do this using the armature?

[nocturne lintel]

No, in Unity, if you click on the animation, you should see a viewer in the bottom of your inspector

[safe mesa]

I don't see it

[somber sequoia]

Only if you apply the pose as a shape key. Shape keys affect only mesh

[nocturne lintel]

Can you show me the Animation keyframes then?

[somber sequoia]

Also don't expect the movement from Basis to your shape key to move as if it were animating bones, the vertices themselves will move directly to the target positionl

[safe mesa]

It's just 3 key frames.

[somber sequoia]

But you can use this technique anyway - people sometmes make up a complex face rig and turn it into shape keys for expressions

[nocturne lintel]

In Unity

There is an Animation Tab

[uncut lotus]

How do I do this with the armature? (I already posed the armature with the hand)

[nocturne lintel]

You should ideally see the same three key frames

[safe mesa]

for some reason, no

[nocturne lintel]

What does the Animation UI say

[safe mesa]

It shows everything BUT the stuff I wanted

They eyes are animated by scaling the bones

[uncut lotus]

I get how to do shape keys with like, base movement, the mesh on its own, but not while using the armature

[nocturne lintel]

Oh, well for once I can happily say for you to reanimate using Unity.

[safe mesa]

Oh ok. It can't be that hard, right?

[nocturne lintel]

If is surprisingly stupid easy in comparison to Blender

[pine valley]

tada!

I actually didn't know that this existed, ha

(you'll want "Save as Shape Key", so that you don't delete the armature modifier)

More generally, you can duplicate the mesh, do weird stuff to it, and then transfer that shape to the original mesh as a new shape key

But if you just want to save a pose, use this

[uncut lotus]

Thank you sm 🙏🏿

[somber sequoia]

Right, I forgot that exists now! Definitely use "save as shape key"

[pine valley]

i was going to suggest the roundabout way, but i figured i should look around a bit first

[somber sequoia]

it's easy enough to make a new modifier, but nice that you don't have to anymore

[cinder frost]

I remember a while back I saw someone had made a spring joint prefab out of physbones but I lost that link. Does anyone know who made that or how to make a spring joint with physbones?

[pine valley]

in theory you'd just do this:

• Whatever
  • Joint A <-- VRCPhysbone
    • Joint B
      • More Stuff <-- ignore this transform

alternatively, parent-constraint More Stuff onto Joint B

[nocturne lintel]

Gravity is your base pull factor, ensure stretch is maxed.

[pine valley]

I recently realized that gravity isn't actually a force applied to the physbone

it just determines where the physbone wants to rest

you can't "resist" gravity by adding more pull

[nocturne lintel]

I was just meaning so it naturally falls downwards like a ridgidbody

[pine valley]

oh yeah, that was just a tangent

[analog phoenix]

i need some help. i've been having this strange issue with my Character. When ever i look staight ahead and walk over a small ledge my charachter starts turning or even spinning out like crazy. i don't know what is going here. This is the only avatar that does that but i have not done anything different on this then what i do on my other avatars. anyone know / seen this problem before?

[pine valley]

Do you have any colliders on your avatar?

One of mine does stuff like that and I'm pretty sure it's caused by a stray collider

You can search the hierarchy for t:collider to quickly check

[nocturne lintel]

Fair, yeah, it really just affects the difference from resting to Vector3.down

[pine valley]

I wish you could apply an arbitrary force, (maybe even an animated force?), but, alas

[nocturne lintel]

0 is max resting, and 1 is max Vector3.down

[analog phoenix]

hm it found one on the hip but i put that one there for the cloth physics that i was playing around with (got rid of the cloth stuff tho)

[nocturne lintel]

What if you could make it a Transform

[pine valley]

Get rid of it. You're hitting it and getting pushed around.

You've made the world's worst flight system by accident :p

[somber sequoia]

oh like actual collider, not physbone collider? yeah that'll be a problem

[analog phoenix]

pff XD

[pine valley]

I've done this a few times

[nocturne lintel]

I argued that since I made Good Egg Galaxy using Boby’s Planet Movement, and having a player upside down would make their hair well, float down…

[pine valley]

Until recently, colliders were able to trigger portals

I accidentally uploaded a huge 20 meter radius collider on my avatar

so I'd instantly go through portals

😭

[misty ridge]

Yo how do i fix this 🥲

[pine valley]

This is the interesting message.

Scroll up and see if there are any more errors.

[analog phoenix]

just to learn something. that t:collider. what does that actually search for. i mean i get that it's looking for collidres but what's the t stand for?

[pine valley]

The t: prefix lets you search by type

You'll see every object with a component on it that is a Collider

[analog phoenix]

ah

[somber sequoia]

Always post the first several error messages, ideally after running whatever you did after clearing the console. Later ones are often side-effects of the initial ones.

[pine valley]

Collider is the parent type for all 3D colliders

Object -> Component -> Collider -> BoxCollider, e.g.

[misty ridge]

Nope thats the only red errors in the ss and at the top of the console

[somber sequoia]

ooh, annoying

[analog phoenix]

oh that's neat. been using unity for a while and never knew that XD

[pine valley]

Restart the editor and try again

[pine valley]

some more useful ones include

[analog phoenix]

thank you @pine valley for the help tho. that spinning was really annoying XD

[uncut lotus]

Wait now the fingers look like he shoved them into a garbage disposal

[pine valley]

t:vrcphysbone -> to find all physbones
t:vrcfury -> all VRCFury components (note that there's only one VRCF component -- "Full Controller", "Armature Link", etc. are all the same type)
t:light -> lights

[pine valley]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeowch

make sure they aren't deformed in Blender

[uncut lotus]

their fine in blender

[analog phoenix]

i will definitely keep that mind next time i need to find something

[pine valley]

If your fingers aren't in the correct rest pose in Unity, the resulting deformation will look really weird

[uncut lotus]

In Unity their fine until I toggle the blendshape

[somber sequoia]

but what does the blendshape do?

[uncut lotus]

Forms a fist around the rose, sorta

Makes it look like its actually holding it

[somber sequoia]

Right, so this is absolutely the wrong approach

[pine valley]

The fingers will get super-deformed if your finger bones aren't in the rest pose.

[somber sequoia]

You want to animate the bones

[pine valley]

They're still trying to follow the bones

i was going to use a metaphor to describe this but it got way too horrifying

[nocturne lintel]

Yeah, when you use blendshapes, those should be for non-transformative mesh

[somber sequoia]

haha yeah, it can get kinda scary-lookin'

[nocturne lintel]

Things like your face

For anything with your hands, use the Gesture Layer

[somber sequoia]

you can use blendshapes on mesh that's rigged to bones but it's got to be done with care, in a uniform way. Like one that increases limb volume is fine

[nocturne lintel]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers

[pine valley]

Anything that doesn't change the relationships between the mesh and the bones is fine

[somber sequoia]

Exactly

[uncut lotus]

So dont use shapekeys to make hand gestures

[nocturne lintel]

Yep

[somber sequoia]

correct

[nocturne lintel]

Only use it to like, bloat/shrink finger volume, or shift things like retracting claws

[uncut lotus]

Ight

so istead I should make an animation for it?

[safe mesa]

It won't let me change the scale >:(

[nocturne lintel]

Yeah

[safe mesa]

wait

[pine valley]

I actually don't know much about playing animations on your hands

I use the animator for everything except animation

[nocturne lintel]

Transform has scale, rotation and position

[safe mesa]

Yeah it does

[uncut lotus]

I havent touched animation for anything other than adding emotes and using VRCFury

Ima go look for a vid

[nocturne lintel]

You need to use the hand muscle groups

[safe mesa]

It shows up properly outside of the preview, but it doesn't work at all

[nocturne lintel]

Look at VRChat’s default hand animations for a good example

[nocturne lintel]

Video?

Win + Shift + S

The second button does video

Mute mic and screen to reduce size

[pine valley]

The annoying part is playing that humanoid animation

I think you use the...Gesture layer? maybe the Action layer?

[somber sequoia]

depends on what you're doing

[nocturne lintel]

Hands are Gesture

[pine valley]

I've experienced pain here

[nocturne lintel]

It’s pretty easy when you read this:

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers

[pine valley]

oh yeah, I read that

I was just having a weirdly difficult time helping a friend to play a hand grip animation

[safe mesa]

Why does it do that

stop being stupid unity

[nocturne lintel]

Man I love Discord Mobile….

Auuugh

[safe mesa]

i'm gonna repost it from da vinci resolve

[nocturne lintel]

Ah, the video is webm

No Mac support

Highly suggest using Win Shift S for the short and sweet stuff

It provides the video in MP4

[safe mesa]

Does this show up

[nocturne lintel]

And you can select regions

Are you talking about it snapping downwards?

[safe mesa]

no

Look at the transform parameters in the bottom left

[nocturne lintel]

Oh they all jump back to one

You are trying to animate humanoid bones

that... might have something to do with it

can you show me what you want it to do in blender again

We might be taking the wrong approach

[pine valley]

Yeah, you aren't allowed to animate the scale of humanoid bones

Easy fix: Add a child bone to each eye and weight the eye meshes to those

You can freely animate that bone's scale

[nocturne lintel]

That is true

A child doesn't get kerfuckled by the humanoid rule

But if it is a simple animation, it miggght be easier to just use a blendshape

[pine valley]

yeag

[nocturne lintel]

It isn't any cheaper

[pine valley]

Modifying the armature is always a bit annoying

[nocturne lintel]

Mostly

With things that humans do, it is beneficial

bending joints is much easier with the humanoid muscle groups imho

Shift Select the joints you will need, set their values, and profit

All that to flip someone off if you lack an Index controller

(I have Index)

Also without the Humanoid system, we wouldn't have things like the MMD worlds

What bone bends the leg? It could be LegL or Leg.L or Left Leg or ...

Imagine how big animation files would be if we had to guess

[somber sequoia]

spine1, spine2, spine3, spine4....

[nocturne lintel]

Root, Chest, Upper Chest

Clavicle or Shoulder

I have seen them all

and then I proceed to see a totally new naming schema in the next 24 hours

[safe mesa]

AAAYYYYYYYYYY WE DID IT :D

at least the animating part

how it will appear ingame? idk

[round jolt]

I forget how to fix the lower body this can someone help

[somber sequoia]

fix what?

and what did you do to cause it?

do you mean the leg scaling? wild guessing that you just exported from Blender, re-export from blender with scaling set to "FBX All"

[round jolt]

yes I mean leg scaling

[nocturne lintel]

That to me looks like you got an armature with a scale mismatch...

[round jolt]

but I dont use blender

[nocturne lintel]

The FBX scale != Armature Scale

[somber sequoia]

yeah but without knowing the cause it's difficult to advise

[nocturne lintel]

For the FBX, could you show the import options

(and are those accessories using VRCFury or Modular Avatar?)

[craggy pendant]

Ive been trying to fix this, I already tried weight painting but it seems the mesh is stuck together.

[nocturne lintel]

I cannot tell what I am even looking at

[safe mesa]

Now how would I put this animation of the eyes pulsating into the game?

[round jolt]

I fixed it

[somber sequoia]

unstick it. Do you perhaps have a mirror modifier?

[craggy pendant]

I do have it.

[nocturne lintel]

Show pulsating eyes in video plz (from blender)

[somber sequoia]

there's a checkbox there, "clip" - try turning that off. Probably what youv'e got is stuff at the center stuck together when you don't want it to be.

[craggy pendant]

yeah this is what im dealing with lol, but if you think Mirror is gonna help then thank you so much!

[somber sequoia]

yeah - it looks like you have parts that should ONLY be on one side of the mirror overlapping to the other

I'd turn off that "clip" option and then apply the mirror.

you have to apply it eventually anyway

(yes you can work with stuff on both sides, it's just harder and "clip" will make a mess of that)

[nocturne lintel]

I think they are using the tool mirror, not the modifier in this case tho

[somber sequoia]

oh I didn't even look there, yeah

[safe mesa]

I got it working in unity though.

[nocturne lintel]

Oh yeah, for that

[craggy pendant]

This asset was made for zinpia base

I didnt create it

[nocturne lintel]

make that into a blendshape in Blender

[desert elk]

i did not think it was gonna be this fast

[safe mesa]

It's already a blendshape

[nocturne lintel]

The twinkling is?

[safe mesa]

yes

[nocturne lintel]

Then animate the blendshape

[craggy pendant]

The creator I suggested I do this ;-;

No idea how to though lol

[safe mesa]

the blendshape is... already animated?

[nocturne lintel]

I think I am missing the problem now....

[safe mesa]

This video shows me playing the animation

[nocturne lintel]

mhm

now you want it playing on the avatar?

In game

[safe mesa]

yup

[nocturne lintel]

First, ensure looping is enabled on your new animation

Then create a new Animation Controller

Name it "FX Layer"

Now in the Animation Controller, create a new Layer, name it "Eye Twinkle" and set the weight to 1

Then drag and drop you animation for the eye twinkle on the Right side with your new layer selected

You should see an orange arrow connecting Start to the animation

[safe mesa]

mhm

[nocturne lintel]

Dope, now go to where the VRC Avatar Descriptor is on your avatar

Go to the Animation Layers section, and add that new FX Layer Animation Controller into the FX Layer section

[safe mesa]

you mean playable layers?

[nocturne lintel]

Mhm

Playable Layers are just the combobulation of all of the animation layers separated out

On runtime the animations are used in a script that controls a player

Anyhow, once you put that animation layer there, you should now be able to upload and see the twinkling eye

[safe mesa]

sweet!

[nocturne lintel]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers

Please, please, please, please, please read this

It will save you so much time

[safe mesa]

ah

[nocturne lintel]

If you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask

The website it links you to is the Bible of VRChat creation

[safe mesa]

That's quite a way to describe it

[nocturne lintel]

Wanna make worlds, there it is

Avatars, there also

Creator Economy, yup

Even the Creator Companion

[safe mesa]

aight

[nocturne lintel]

I legit have it bookmarked as the VRCBible

reference to GBible from Blue Archive

for meaning
Bible:
2: a book regarded as authoritative in a particular sphere.
"“Larousse Gastronomique,” the bible of French cooking"
is very fitting

[pine valley]

reading documentation is good

that's how I learned to create VRChat avatars

[nocturne lintel]

I am a visual learner, so I can understand the struggles

But it is very well doc'd for Avatars

[pine valley]

written docs can contain embedded pictures and videos

[nocturne lintel]

Not so much for Worlds imho

[pine valley]

i can't stand trying to watch a long video tutorial

[nocturne lintel]

Agreed

I think the best idea for a VRChat tutorial series would be to split needs into segmented smaller videos

like 2 minutes a piece for the thing you are trying to do

With a strong emphasis on this is the basic idea and not this is how you do it for X avatar

How to: Animation Layers into How to: Toggles

Explain the broader scope, for those who can pick up on things at an accelerated rate, then go into depth for those who struggle

ALWAYS link where you got your information from the docs.

Then you would be sitting on a gold mine.

[pine valley]

in my mind, the ideal format is written documentation with short embedded videos

[nocturne lintel]

If you had access to VRChat's own docs at that level, then sure

[frail temple]

Sorry for the trouble, anyone here have any idea why importing this FBX file has it's textures broken?

Normals are fine

[nocturne lintel]

Sadly, most adjustments with that style are rejected, or sit in PRs till they are hellishly outdated.

[nocturne lintel]

Your materials may need to be reconfigured

yes, there are materials in blender also

[frail temple]

You thinkin the wrong textures got sent to the wrong materials?

[nocturne lintel]

Yep

FBX data is only so accurate

if the file structure shifted even a smidge, it cannot easily identify what textures go to what materials

[frail temple]

@nocturne lintel Yeah it's missing materials for the face, i just named all the existing ones

Found the face texture, how difficult would it be to unwrap it and put it on? asking cause i have no idea how to do that lol

[pine valley]

unwrapping the model to match an existing texture sounds painful

in theory you just need to assign the correct texture to the material that's being used for the face

[frail temple]

unfortunately there is no material for the face

[nocturne lintel]

Strange?

[safe mesa]

Quick question, how would I add GoGo Loco to my avatar(s)?

I'm on the gumroad page for it

Should I maybe get VRCFury

[somber sequoia]

there's an instruction document linked there

even a video tutorial

[pine valley]

I find the GoGo docs to be...

challenging

[somber sequoia]

the author is not a native english speaker

[pine valley]

attach the VRCFury prefab to the avatar you're good

[pine valley]

ah, that doesn't help

[somber sequoia]

yeah

[pine valley]

(of course, you need VRCFury installed)

[somber sequoia]

I didn't find them hard to follow though. But I do read (and write) a lot of docs 🙂

[pine valley]

https://teeth-fetch-gdl.craft.me/CxY701Ne9Ng5Ev/b/30E7DA7F-3255-44DF-A631-4D26B547D1A5/Go-All

It's just too much stuff all over the page

[mellow scaffold]

all of this suddenly disappeared?

[heavy zephyr]

In summary :
1- If you want the full version with flight and all, get the beyond prefab, put on avatar directly, find rotation constraint in it, give it your head bone as source.
2- Merge all the layers depending on if you use WD On or Off
3- Merge parameters
4- Add the gogo menu into your own

[frail temple]

What did you name your armature bones in blender?

[mellow scaffold]

i didnt name them anything, i just left them as armature

and its gone

[frail temple]

No wonder, Unity doesn't pick up on bones that don't have a name

Oh wait

Your bones just disappeared?

[mellow scaffold]

thye are still in blender as armature

[mellow scaffold]

i almost have it fixed

but its still broken

[hidden shore]

Anyone know if there's a way to be able to animate a mesh particle system to move like it would for a regular animation? I've seen videos of people being able to put motionanimation particle sheets to have the character meshes move and stuff.

However there's no explanation on how to make the actual sprite sheet. So I'm not sure if there's an add on or something that can turn an animation clip into a sprite sheeet or something to be able to effect the mesh of the particle.

Any advice or tips on how to do this would be greatly appreciated without needing any scripts and stuff to do it?

[pine valley]

You can use a skinned mesh renderer as the Shape for the particle system

Oh, are you asking how to make the actual particles appear to animate?

[misty ridge]

can a slow pc cause this??

[heavy zephyr]

I would assume this is purely shader work. You can animate particles the same you can with other materials through shaders.
Depending on what you are trying to do, you may need something specialized.

Also don't forget about custom data-

[pine valley]

yeah, if you want the individual mesh particles to deform or otherwise animate, that'd require a custom shader

[nocturne lintel]

Usually that means you lack the space to create the artifact… or yeah, the compilation timed out lol.

“Compilation” of the AssetBundle

[misty ridge]

oof 🥲

[nocturne lintel]

You could try closing the Scene and Game windows while uploading

Right Click > Close Tab

[misty ridge]

ok lemme try

[nocturne lintel]

Might free something

Me when headerless Unity

[misty ridge]

yeh still doesnt work 🥲

guess ill get a new pc

[warped arrow]

how to i move avatars floor

[somber sequoia]

you move the avatar up instead

[cinder frost]

That’s not gonna work

[somber sequoia]

really depends on what we're trying to do here

[cinder frost]

You need to either move it up in the humanoid rig or move your avatar’s origin in the modeling program of your choice

[warped arrow]

ok

thx it worked

[warped arrow]

for some reson the hit box is off and i cant find a way to move it up

[nocturne lintel]

That isn’t your hitbox

[warped arrow]

my feet are floting a bit above the ground

exactly the distance to green

[nocturne lintel]

Well if that is the case then your model is not properly floored to the origin

[sour linden]

i downloaded an asset and got a .rar, what is it i do from here with the .rar?

[pine valley]

unpack it

something like 7zip will work if Windows can't handle that format natively

[sour linden]

oh, ty

i have another problem though now

i have ALMOST everything set upp

but

i cant find the so called "example menu"

yk for adding expressions

[desert elk]

you mean the hand layer that you repurpose to control face expressions?

[sour linden]

i dont know unity 😭

[desert elk]

vrc_AvatarV3HandsLayer.controller

if that's what you're looking for

you'd need to explain what example menu means a bit more if that's not what you're looking for

[proper storm]

thats the bounding box for the mesh, not hitbox

[warped arrow]

i found the isue

fixed now

[velvet anvil]

currently trying to figure out how to reverse this shape key, the mouth is supposed to close while the value is set to 0, and the mouth opened at 1. (sorry if i'm interrupting something

wait a second this was solved months ago let me try this

nvm didn't work, deleting the bisas only took away the blink shape key

[arctic ginkgo]

i can help give me a sec

[velvet anvil]

alright

[austere bay]

I'm having issues where I'm going invisible to some people. it's clearly a bounding issue but when I ask my boyfriend to test and check I'm fine? I can seem to simulate the issue in game, it's just randomly some people see me go invisible. Anyone know how to help?

[worthy glacier]

what do i do to fix this? im very new to unity and im just uploading the quest version of an avi i dowloaded

[austere bay]

doesn't really matter usually, just upload

[arctic ginkgo]

i think i wrote this assuming they had 2 shapekeys. Something you can do is select the basis shapekey in edit mode, select the whole mesh, then go to vertex>blend from shape. In the dropdown at the bottom left of the screen, enable "add", set the Blend to 1, and set the shape your "ah" shapekey. Now select your "ah" shapekey and repeat this, except set the blend to -2

[austere bay]

yellow triangle errors don't usually matter too much, only need to worry about them if you have other issues

[arctic ginkgo]

shapekeys are additive, so it's really easy to manipulate them with the "add" feature since it's just addition/subtraction

[balmy barn]

old way i reversed them, havnt done it in a very long time

some avs i dont want certain ones to be 100 since thats should be their default state

[arctic ginkgo]

oh yeah i forgot about that lol that works too

[velvet anvil]

had a little bit of trouble and thought it didn't work until i had to set the value and range min to -1, and the max to 0

thank you!

[naive flame]

My unity says that my shaders aren’t able to be used for quests and I need help with it

[round comet]

You can use mobile shaders :)

[naive flame]

I need help with that please

[austere bay]

vrchat/mobile I'm pretty sure

[round comet]

You just change the materials to use VRChat mobile shaders, yeah

[naive flame]

I’m still struggling

[desert elk]

quest avatars can use: toon lit, standard lite, mat cap lit
for quest particles: multiply, additive

to change the shader you need to click on a material

and in the inspector from the drop down menu pick the correct shaders

from VRChat/mobile

[naive flame]

cant click the drop down

[somber sequoia]

You can't edit that material, it's embedded in the .fbx file. You'll need to extract it, or simply make a new material, which will then be editable.

[naive flame]

how could i extract it

[somber sequoia]

either in the "Materials" tab of the inspector for the fbx file itself, or you can open the file in the "Project" window (the one with the files and such) and select the material and ctrl+d to duplicate it, then edit that one.

Once you do have the material though, you'll need to assign it to MeshRenderers, or in that same Materials tab in the FBX file.

(this is usually described visually in Quest avatar creation videos, if you need such)

[pearl fable]

anyone knows how the default avatar camera is placed? it's obviously placed at the view point, but when I add a second camera there and let that render, it seems wrong. rotating it down for ~5 seems to help but it's not exactly right yet. Anyone knows how it's done by default?

[pine valley]

i'd also be interested in this -- i have a clunky xray system that's just a camera and a plane in front of my face

it's pretty close, but i want to get it lined up better

[pearl fable]

It should be possible, as ikehud has done it right. they use a sepcial shader to do it. I can just use theirs, but I'd rather keep original colors and have the nametags show at all distances

[pine valley]

i'm just stubborn and want to DIY everything lmao

[pearl fable]

best way to learn it

[hard turtle]

just realised ive never rigged a chain or wire or anything between 2 points

how one doe

[somber sequoia]

you can't anchor a physbone to two points

the end dangles no matter what

[hard turtle]

that feels like a really extreme limitation-

[somber sequoia]

I bet it's really hard to implement, but yeah, it sucks

[hard turtle]

it would just be second pivot tho

welp ima go contemplate how ima achieve this

[pine valley]

wellll

actually

you can use a physbone collider to contain the end of the chain

so one end is parented to your belt, and the other end is contained in a small collider that's also parented to the belt

[low iris]

i'm trying to put a clothing on an avatar without blender, why are the bones stuck? there are no constraints in unity i just have the bone visualizer but i can't move the bones for some reason... why?

[naive flame]

i need some help it says that it cant find a avatar for multi platform

[somber meadow]

screenshot your platform settings in the builder tab of the SDK

[naive flame]

?

[somber meadow]

screenshot the SDK control panel where you upload the avatar

[left gull]

depending on what platforms you chose your current model might not fit all their restrictions maybe?

[low iris]

bump

[pine valley]

i see you have two platforms selected

do you have a PC avatar selected as well?

(never actually done this yet)

[naive flame]

yes

[mellow vigil]

My expressions keep overlapping each other.
Like Ill do one, and itll work fine, but when I switch to another one, itll overlap and do both at the same time

[desert elk]

turn write defaults on

[low iris]

bump

come on guys, i'm doing a no-blender blender challenge, the challenge is that i'm only allowed to use the blender in the kitchen irl, so i need help to move those bones that are stuck, help please

[mint edge]

does increaseing the size of an avis arm bones auctually make the arm longer on the model

I dont wanna end up with a super stretched model

I assume it does but idk, figured id ask

[somber sequoia]

I often use Blender while sitting at my kitchen counter, watching some cooking process 🙂

[native steppe]

I need help, I've been consistently getting an API failed error every time I've tried to upload an avatar. Let me know if you need a screenshot of the error messages

[somber meadow]

Try using a different DNS like Google's DNS

I'm guessing you're using a default DNS which is your ISPs that cannot resolve VRChat's CDN hostname

[native steppe]

Alright, how do I go about that? And I quite honestly don't know my DNS, this is the first time I've tried uploading a model since 2023

[somber meadow]

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using#windows

steps are the same on Windows 11 as control panel is still an application

[native steppe]

Is it normal for there to have been no DNS Server addresses listed prior to step 8?

[somber sequoia]

probably means they're provided via DHCP from your router, in that case.

[native steppe]

I've followed the steps, nothing's blown up so far, so that's a good sign, yes? If so, time to test by trying to uploaf the avatar I wanna use

[somber sequoia]

"nothing's blown up" is a very good sign

[native steppe]

Nope, same API failure

[sterile swan]

are uploads working i uploaded an update to my model and its been saying server processing for over 20 minutes

with a ? next to my avi in the menu

[left gull]

its working on my end

might be a ISP/wifi issue

[fervent spear]

hi guys my particles r being weird, so when i walk infront of a mirror and turn the particles on theyre normal, but when i walk away out of view of the mirror, disable the particles, then walk back to the mirror, i can still see the particles for a moment in the mirror. how can i fix this?

[sour linden]

help.

[somber sequoia]

ugh, I'd have replied here if I'd noticed it first.

[sour linden]

I have spent 3.5 hrs today trying to make the coin railgun work. It wont work.

Im not gonna attempt to make it work either

[somber sequoia]

was this about the menu thing?

[pine valley]

mirror clones are really weird

it's simulating an entire other copy of your avatar

I've seen many oddities like that

I'm not sure you can do anything about it

[fervent spear]

ah alright, its not a big issue but it can be annoying lmao

[timber wharf]

@fervent spear particles are not properly mirrored

mirror dwelling was two years ago, its time to let go

[fervent spear]

pffttt

thankyou for the help guys

[timber wharf]

(ah, actually three)

[hidden shore]

yes, like i spawn an animal mesh, could i animate that moving its arms and legs?

[timber wharf]

@hidden shore no way

animation is done by animator component

unless you figure it out with a shader

[stone trellis]

What do i do if the fbx has seperated parts and cannot autorig cause there's no "headbone"

Ik how to combine them but only the prefab

Do i needa use blender

Fuckin hell nvm i found the same model but its rigged

Models are great aren't they lol

[stone trellis]

Annndd its a glb greaaattt

Oh what the hell theres a fbx version that passed my eyes

Avatar creating is very fun when you don't know what you're doing most of the time

[wooden jasper]

Does anyone use 【VRChat】Real Shadow System (for Avatar) PCSS For VRC? I tried applying it, but the shadows are not working properly. Can someone help me?

[marble niche]

hey so i merged the meshes for this chin fluff and cheek fluff in blender, looks fine with regular expressions like with hand gestures but they dont work with face tracking, they just dont follow the face at all like they arent even merged. any way i could fix?

[left gull]

face tracking generally uses different blendshapes then the ones you'd use for custom expressions id double check the shapekey's used with your FT in blender and see if maybe they arent effected

[olive grail]

hi just joined, can anyone help me upload an avatar? i dont hae a pc to do it, i have the files

[left gull]

File sharing isnt allowed and generally breaks a purchased models rules (also account sharing is risky and shouldnt be done like ever)

[runic shell]

hey here! just have a quick question but am I the only one who doesn't have the multi-platform overrides options in the SDK 3.7.6? 😅

[somber meadow]

Screenshot your options that you have

[runic shell]

there should be a 3 dot button allowing to choose the overrides but there isn't in my case (tried to reload the package or change project but nothing change)

there is the 3 dots button on the video from the devlog

[somber meadow]

Do you have multiple active avatars in the same scene

[runic shell]

I do

I still don't know what would happend If I try to upload with multi-platforms enabled while I can weirdly only choose one avatar ha ha

I use also the latest version of Unity compatible 2022.3.22f1

[left gull]

pretty sure you can only choose one avatar because thats how they intended it to work, like you have to have the model you want to upload fit all the chosen platforms requirements

[runic shell]

you mean if it's not optimized enough? that would be weird

they are all uploaded one by one with no issue so why it would not be possible in this situation? 🤔

[somber meadow]

I don't think that change exists yet

that devlog is structured weirdly

But hey – we’re also working on a follow-up to that. We’re hoping to bring a few additional changes in – specifically, we’d like to add per-platform avatar overrides when doing multi-platform builds. For example, if you have an Android and PC version of an avatar, you can tell the SDK to use the PC version when building for PC, and then use a seperate version when building for Android.

3.7.6 doesn't have it

[runic shell]

sooooo for now you can only push one only avatar to both platforms? 😅

[somber meadow]

confused why they didn't have it already

[runic shell]

to be honest that doesn't seem usefull to not have this overrides option right now (most of the avatars or worlds are different between PC and android) but I guess we will have to wait 👀

[left gull]

id imagine its pretty buggy since even now with singular uploads the SDK breaks and doesnt upload the correct model sometimes

[runic shell]

okay so in a previous devlog it was intended to be like that at the beginning

but since like end of january XD

[swift cipher]

Quick question. Having this error but they are mapped, I dont know what is going on.

[somber meadow]

The 2 main fixes I've seen are

• Disable "Import Animations" in the model's import settings
• Make sure the armature bone is just called Armature in the model file (can't rename it inside of Unity)

[swift cipher]

No dice, any other suggestions?

[night ember]

Drag in a new copy of the fbx into scene

[marble niche]

found a mesh data transfer tool for blender, we all good now

[low iris]

10/10 best waifu certified

[nova nebula]

help??

[somber sequoia]

what does that come from?

[nova nebula]

my avatar i just uploaded

[somber sequoia]

post stats

[nova nebula]

on unity?

its not pretty, but ive never had any issues with checks failing

left is PC
right is Q2

its under 20k so it shouldnt fall under "fail due to high memory usage"

[fierce thunder]

CATS Plugin doesnt merge the armature with the selected bone

im using blender 4.3 if that helps

[junior void]

cats uses names to identify which bones to merge

so a hip bone called Hips is not going to merge with Hips_001

[fierce thunder]

What can i do?

[junior void]

Before you merge armatures, make sure the names of each bone are the same so cats knows what to do

[fierce thunder]

like this?

or do i also rename all the mullet bones?

[junior void]

okay maybe i wasnt clear enough

let me rephrase

[sour linden]

hi! what is an spp for in avatars?

[junior void]

any bones that exist on both the base and the thing you want to merge need to have the same name. so say you have hair, and the root bone of the hair is "Head". then say your base has a bone called "head" - in lower case, those two need to be named the same

In case of hair, the strands will be children of the head bone. This should be the case after head and head were merged as well

[junior void]

spp are substance painter files to paint an avatar

[sour linden]

no idea what that means..? could you explain how to use it maybe?

[junior void]

substance painter is a program that you buy and install on your pc

[sour linden]

ohhh

its cus i installed the novabeast..

well, purchased it would be better wording

do i NEED substance painter to make it work?

[junior void]

no, it is optional to use it to paint it but you can also use other programs of your choice to do that

its just substance painter is the creme de la creme of painting programs for 3d objects and used the most

[sour linden]

what would be the best way for me to paint/texture it easily?

i NEVER use unity

i just wanted the nova

[junior void]

from what i recall, the nova beast comes with default textures. i think the blue design?

so if you dont want to change colors, you wont need any painting program at all

[sour linden]

oh, okay.

[junior void]

i personally also use substance painter because im a sucker for high quality looks. some people use blender though. and again others use a 2d painting program and only paint over the texture images. examples would be gimp, krita or photoshop. in the end, textures are only images

[sour linden]

so, theres a materials folder with a bunch of materials but i have no idea how to apply them

correctly atleast.

[junior void]

you should watch a simple avatar setup tutorial :)

[sour linden]

you're right. i should probs.. 😭

any reccomended vids/channels?

[junior void]

if you want to cut to the chase and dont have issues with understanding text instructions, give chatgpt a try. it knows quite a lot about unity

any avatar video that covers a general setup will do otherwise

[sour linden]

yea no, this aint helping

okay so i followed 2 guides.

its almost working

but my eyes dont have textrure

and i cant make it work

[junior void]

you will find the material for your eyes on the body mesh. in the inspector, see if you have the materials section collapsed. expand it, then it will make sense

[long sedge]

how do i mute via an animation

is there a simple way to do it

yaknow this is probably a google question

brb

[timber wharf]

you cant

you can only read it to run some animation when muted

[long sedge]

:(

cringe

thanks tho

[heavy zephyr]

Technically you can, but that would require coding a small OSC app that reacts to one of your parameters and sends the action of muting yourself back when it does.

[uncut lotus]

How do exclusive tags work on VRCFury?

[sour linden]

Lets say i used substance painter to make a reskin of the novabeast.. how do i downlaoad it as whatever i use in unity?

[junior void]

you would export your painting from substance painter as simple texture files which you can then import into unity and create a material from. remember textures are just images, like png or jpg

[sour linden]

Oh, so i could in theory just grab the materials i already have on my current novabeast project?

[junior void]

grab how to do what?

[sour linden]

I meant like replace the textures

IM STUPID WITH WORDS SORRY

i meant i could in theory just replace the current textures pn my current project

[junior void]

in theory, yes

[sour linden]

Though, i dont know how to change the texture on a material in liltoon.

It cant be that hard. I just gotta figure out how

😔

[sour linden]

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[sour linden]

Anyone?

[junior void]

you literally drag the textures into the appropriate texture slots inside the material

[shut oxide]

Would having multiple rigs on one character cuz problems or is it ok like for example have body and hair rigs seperate

[junior void]

in your example, the hair should have some connection to the main rig, otherwise it will not move with your head as you probably expect

that connection can be made by parenting the hair to the head directly or by using a linking helper that generally does the same thing behind the scenes (such helpers would be for example vrcfury and its armature link component)

[uncut lotus]

Any idea why the Blendshape isn't showing up in Unity?

[junior void]

are they there directly on the mesh?

if not, you may have left a modifier unapplied before exporting from blender

[uncut lotus]

Oh thats prolly what is is thanks

[uncut lotus]

Is there a way to make the inside of the jacket thingy, not see through?

[charred beacon]

100% fixed it:

The stuff under the orignal post can contribute to it, but if even that doesnt fix it, then the problem is in the rendering section of poiyomi. Some settings might differ from the rest of your avatar, making the lighting different aswel

[shut oxide]

I assume u gotta apply a solidify modifier so it has faces on both sides

This will double the jacket poly count tho

[uncut lotus]

That was what I wanted to avoid

Actually, Ima prolly just extrude the face

[desert elk]

on pc, turn off backface culling. On quest do what Naz said

[white bough]

dont know if i am in the right area but i am trying to add abs to an avatar they have the blend shape key but the texture dose not really or at all show them is there a way that some one can add them for me on the texture or point me in the right direction thank you

[desert elk]

I'm assuming you'd need to edit the texture to add ab shading
or maybe mess with the shader settings so you have more lightning there?

[hollow mountain]

It refuses to let me upload for no apparent reason, what's going on here? It just says "Failed to upload file, look at console"

A local test upload works fine, but a proper upload hates me.

[naive sentinel]

question about the new webcam-based tracking, is there some parameter is sets on the avatar, when it's enabled? I checked the TrackingType, but it's just set to 3, regardless whether webcam tracking is on or off...
I seem to have trouble with my avatar here cause I had a custom standing pose animation on it, which overrides the webcam hand tracking, so I want to add some more condition checking to disable Animation on the hands and head

[pastel barn]

I'm using CATS and whenever I click "start pose mode" all the sculpting I've done to my body disappear and the body is set back to default. Anyone know how to fix this?

[somber sequoia]

are you sculpting on a shape key maybe?

[pastel barn]

not sure, how do i check that?

[somber sequoia]

object mode, select your mesh, look at shape keys in the properties box

[pastel barn]

oof yeah that was it haha thank you i was so confused :) btw i have another question if you know the answer - i bought an asset and it has an option to make the clothing sheer but i have no idea how to actually make it do this?

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what that might mean without further detail

[pastel barn]

https://yaoomi.gumroad.com/l/BeachDayOutfit " 3 different alpha options for skirt - 2 lace options and a plain see through one."

[somber sequoia]

does it not come already doing that?

[pastel barn]

it comes with textures but i don't know where/how to apply them to get the see through effect

[somber sequoia]

I'd think it would come with Unity materials that already do this

[pastel barn]

do i not need to apply them into blender at all then? sorry i only started using blender/unity yesterday

[somber sequoia]

if your goal is to add this to a VRChat avatar, no, all you need to do in blender is model and optionally texture paint

material setup is done in Unity

[pastel barn]

ah okay

thanks!

[frail temple]

Is a particular version of substance painter sought after or should i just get whatever

[lunar plinth]

do anyone know how to fix this avatar movement?

it keep shake its hand on idle pose

in normal condition, it moves its finger just a little bit to make looks more natural.

but at some point, (idk when) when i upload a new avatar (import new prefeb) , they always keep shake its arm and body

[pine valley]

If you're creating stuff for other people to use, it would be nice to use an older version, since that'll let more people open your .spp files

I'm on the 2023 Steam version, for example

[frail temple]

Rip, already got version 11.0

It's not like blender where the controls change with every version, is it?

[pine valley]

substance painter's camera controls are so confusing to me that i never actually learn them

xd

the only real concern is that version X+1 can open version X's files, but not vice-versa

[inland seal]

The physbone stops working when I put Piercing

[night ember]

tell it to ignore the bones you just added

[inland seal]

Is there an option?

Where is it

[lucid rapids]

hello , want to ask what dose sfw or opti means in avatar

[night ember]

optimised and safe for work

[lucid rapids]

optimised like ?

[inland seal]

a

[night ember]

optimised

[inland seal]

Thx

Fixed :D

[vestal ruin]

hey so im having and issue uploading this avatar to quest as i had to change the texture from standard but now they wont change at all

[night ember]

are the materials actually on the model

[vestal ruin]

yes, ive already uploaded it to pc vrchat but this is the only hurdle for quest, rn the error reads endlayoutgroup: beginlayoutgroup must be called first

[sour linden]

heya, anyone here familliar with the novabeast?

[desert elk]

some people I'd assume

what do you need?

[pine valley]

ask your question :p

[sour linden]

the novabeast has an abillity in its "customize" expression menu called "alternate palette" do you know where/if i can change what palette it changes to?

[hard turtle]

is there any referaaance for a VRC hand rig TwT

the new vrc hands make no sense

[somber meadow]

it's the same rigging spec as unity, they haven't changed

[craggy pendant]

When I merged the head with the body this tends to happen- I try and pose the head with the neck and it doesnt wanna attach to each other- the amature is fine

[safe mesa]

Is it possible to change the default animation speed of avatars?

Like, can you make a character's walk animation slower

[pine valley]

Yeah, but you'll need to provide your own locomotion layer

I've done this before -- you just change the Speed property on the relevant animator states

[desert elk]

I'm assuming that's just a material switch, to a one of a different colour

so you'd need to find what material it uses and edit the texture of it

[sour linden]

but i dont know where to even find it.

but okay!

[desert elk]

your assets

idk how organised they are

[sour linden]

😏

[pine valley]

so this depends on how the novabeast is set up

The most "traditional" setup would be one big animator controller, probably called "FX" or "Nova FX" or something (i don't know what the avatar's assets look like)

There would be a layer in there that plays the relevant animations.

It could also be a VRCFury Toggle -- which would be a component attached to an object on the avatar

[somber sequoia]

just remember all camera movement is with alt. but yeah, it's frustrating.

[sour linden]

i found this

but i cant find the alternate pallette

palette*

[pine valley]

so this is a bit annoying -- you can look at the animation clip in the Animation window, but I don't see a way to go to the material that's being referenced

oh wait

just go into play mode, turn on the alternate palette, and then click on the body object

you can look at the material it's currently using!

[sour linden]

still says its using the regular ones....

[somber meadow]

The animation tab doesn't have a reference to which path to use, it's why you need the FX layer in your animator component's "Controller" field

[pine valley]

I'm talking about which material asset it assigns to the renderer

[pine valley]

i picked some random default material here

[pine valley]

Okay, so that suggests it's animating a material property

[pine valley]

Open the animation window (ctrl-6) with this clip selected

[sour linden]

i defo know what that means..

[pine valley]

Material properties are all of the settings a material shows in the inspector.

Animations can control these

for example, you could have a "hue" property that changes the color of a material

[pine valley]

ah!

Select the body material. It's going to have a "dissolve" section (well, two of them). The second one is the one you want here.

It's going to have an alternate body texture

[sour linden]

in assets>novabeast>materials?

[pine valley]

Yes -- or you can look at the inspector for your "Body" object

All of the materials appear at the bottom

[austere bay]

there's an issue with bounding boxes on my avatar. I've set them to 2, I've set them to 0.5, I don't know what to do anymore. I keep going invisible. I can't simulate it at all so I only find out when some people say I go invisible. I don't know what to do :( anyone have advice? I would greatly appreciate it

[pine valley]

0.1 is very small!

[austere bay]

I know :( but I've tried everything else

[pine valley]

If it's a bounding box issue, you should be able to replicate it in the editor

Are you going invisible permanently for people?

[sour linden]

does this look right?

[austere bay]

no it definitely sounds like bounding box issues

[pine valley]

You'll need to look for a "Dissolve" section

[austere bay]

from what people have told me

[pine valley]

what are people actually seeing?

do you disappear when most of your body is off-screen?

[austere bay]

yep

[pine valley]

Note that each SkinnedMeshRenderer has its own bounding box

[sour linden]

no dissolve section..

[somber meadow]

you're in simple view of liltoon

[pine valley]

You probably need to go the Advanced tab

I don't use lilToon so I'm not familiar

[austere bay]

this is how big the bounding box is in the scene, I have the same box for each mesh since I was having issues with a couple of things when I first imported it into unity

at 0.1 ^

[pine valley]

ah, your armature has a scale of 100

[austere bay]

there's some scaling issues with my avatar so I'm not sure if that's causing it

[pine valley]

so even 0.1 is still huge

it winds up being 10 meters

[austere bay]

should I make it smaller?

[sour linden]

is using liltoon the problem? 😔

[somber meadow]

no

click "Advanced" at the top to go into advanced view

[pine valley]

There is no "problem" right now :p

[pine valley]

It shouldn't be much larger than your body, yes

But you also shouldn't be disappearing due to going off-screen with this crazy-large bounding box

[sour linden]

..

fdound something

[pine valley]

the "second dissolve" section will have a texture field

that's the texture that you swap to

[sour linden]

second dissolve?

cant find anything like that

[austere bay]

is this better?

Also yeah I was a bit confused about it because I've never had issues before from a bigger bounding box

but I don't know what else it could be

everyone describes it as I just go invisible as I go off the screen or when I'm at the corner/side of their screen

[pine valley]

It's possible that you have editor tools that recalculate the bounds

[austere bay]

which sounds like bounding boxes

I don't think I do

[sour linden]

idk

[austere bay]

I've never had issues before, if I had editor tools surely it would cause issues on other avatars?

[vagrant raven]

Lowkey dont know what to do. I keep getting the same set of errors. What is going on?

[pine valley]

mmmm, weird issues loading packages

Can you select that first error about Unity.Mathematics and show the full text?

[vagrant raven]

sure

[somber meadow]

I'd export the avatar with FBX all scaling so the armature is 1,1,1 and leave the default bounding boxes, use the VRCFury bounding box fix if the issue still persists

[austere bay]

I don't like VRCFury, I'd rather learn to fix the issue myself instead of relying on a tool to fix everything for me. I'm going to try the new bounding boxes then if that doesn't work I'll try exporting the avatar </3

[somber meadow]

It doesn't hurt to have automation in your workflows

[sour linden]

1. Thats genuienely impressive, not taking it the easy way
2. Personally think its stupid, when you can automate it easily you should

[austere bay]

I would just rather know what's causing my issues and how to fix. I don't mind automating as long as I know how to do it myself

[pine valley]

automation is good, actually

[somber meadow]

Most of the time people fix bounding boxes with scripts that use the largest bounding box and scales every other bounding box with it anyway. Doing it by hand is a pain

[pine valley]

ah, I see what's going on

look in the "Main Color 2nd" section

[sour linden]

What will i find there

[pine valley]

I don't think this is actually a bounding box issue, since the bounding box is very, very large. An excessively sized box just makes you render when you don't actually need to

[austere bay]

but it's a learning experience :) I enjoy learning new things, I won't do that if I just rely on automation all the time

[somber meadow]

I have 5 years of experience, the bounding box transform gizmos are horrid and manually typing things out is just going to give you a headache

I just wouldn't touch it, Maybe if Unity ever updates their bounding box controls then sure

[pine valley]

had to do some more reading! the main texture in the "Main Color 2nd" section looks like what you want

the Dissolve part controls where this color is allowed to appear

[pine valley]

i love missing by 2 pixels and losing the selection

[somber meadow]

letting a script deal with the headache that is bounding boxes is mainly what to do here

it's not the same as not learning animator toggles for vrcfury toggles. This is just a QoL improvement

[marble meteor]

I'm losing my mind. I setup and uploaded a new avatar last night and I setup up the clothing changes and expressions. I can see them changing in game but no on else can. To them, I'm stuck wearing one outfit and my expression never changes. I've set them up the same as I've always had. Not sure what I'm doing wrong here... Anyone know what causes this?

[pine valley]

are your parameters actually synced?

[marble meteor]

...

[pine valley]

if the "Synced" box isn't checked, the parameters will only change on your end

[marble meteor]

...I swear if that's all it is...

[sour linden]

Ohhh, though it didnt work when u changed that? Thinking about it tho i think the render mode was on opaque..😭

[somber meadow]

Yeah the VRCExpressionParameters list need the parameters being set to synced. If your avatar is cross platform they also need to match in the same order for the other platforms

[pine valley]

I'm not sure what you mean here.

[marble meteor]

The synced boxes were NOT checked... Brb, gonna test...

[sour linden]

Im stupid. Put simply

Picked the wrong option for rendering the material and was wondering why it wouldnt work.

[vagrant raven]

Anyone know what I can try? Any fix works for me cause I got no idea what to do.

[somber meadow]

Click the C# Compiler error, is there any more info in it

Those errors are pretty horrid and sometimes don't give off any info

[sour linden]

Does that make more sense? @pine valley

[vagrant raven]

Nothing else

[somber meadow]

that's all it says inside of the details

[vagrant raven]

where can I find the details?

[somber meadow]

When you click an error, the details window opens below which shows the whole error message

[vagrant raven]

yea thats what that pic is

I stop uploading avatars for years and when I come back I get the worst errors ever :D Hooray!

[somber meadow]

Usually when you scroll down there should be more info

like usually like this (from an old unity version but it'll be the same)

[vagrant raven]

Wait im actually dumb. I didnt know I could pull it up more

[somber meadow]

okay, good

these errors like to be cryptic

[somber meadow]

oh easy

You have 2 0Harmony files in your project, remove one. Best to remove the one that's not in your SDK folder

Search for Harmony in your project tab and you should find it

[vagrant raven]

I got these

[somber meadow]

click one and look at the bottom for the path, delete the one that's not in the SDK

[sour linden]

Should i play ow2 or vrchat

Wrong channel, sorry

[vagrant raven]

Alright deleted

[somber meadow]

some editor script you have still includes 0Harmony, make sure they're up to date though

[vagrant raven]

How would I go about doing that

[somber meadow]

Did you see what path that original 0Harmony that you deleted was

If you can upload now you can just disregard anything

[vagrant raven]

I just tried uploading and it failed

[somber meadow]

is there more errors in the console

[vagrant raven]

Absolutely

[somber meadow]

Are you using Creator Companion on this project

[vagrant raven]

Yes

[somber meadow]

when you click manage project on your project is all the packages up to date

[vagrant raven]

No because for this avatar I was told to use the 2019 version

[somber meadow]

Always take those as minimum requirements. Assets will easily convert to 2022

VRChat will eventually disable 2019 uploading anyway

[vagrant raven]

Ah alright, so should I try closing the project and updating everything? I feel like that would break it

[somber meadow]

which avatar is this?

[vagrant raven]

Kira 3.0 by TheActualWaffle

[somber meadow]

This is the only avatar I've seen that keeps the instructions in the paid assets

could you send the instructions here if they're not too long

I could basically translate it to 2022 for you

[vagrant raven]

Thank you for purchasing the Avatar! You are now officialy off my hit-list :)
Read the rules and instructions carefully before importing.

INSTRUCTIONS:

1. Create a new Unity Project (2019)
2. Import VRCSDK3, Poiyomi Toon (PoiyomiPro is reccomended)
3. Import VRCFurry and Avatar 3.0 Manager
4. Import the Avatar UnityPackage
5. Open the Avatar folder and open the "OPEN ME!" Scene
6. Upload

• Enjoy The Avatar and TY! for your Purchase <3

This?

[somber meadow]

yeah, perfect