avatar-help

[sour linden]

really?!?

[obtuse elk]

it means, that you're trying to upload the avi, that was originally uploaded on a different account i think

[wary wedge]

But i only upload on one account

[desert elk]

blueprint often appears because of different errors

are there any more errors?

[obtuse elk]

detach the avatar (it's a script in the root of the avatar), upload it to pc, switch to quest, and copy the newly created id (in the same category) to the quest version, and see if it works

but yeah. first listen to eliot

[wary wedge]

These are the only 2 im getting

[obtuse elk]

restart your projects

[wary wedge]

How?

[obtuse elk]

if there's an octagon with exclimation mark, it means you can't upload cause of the error

[desert elk]

love it

[obtuse elk]

XDDD

[wary wedge]

I don’t even use the creator companion
I just use unity😭
Or that is unity idrk

[fiery crow]

Alcom >

[obtuse elk]

ok, lemme give you indepth tutorial how to restart unity project

[ornate stump]

I counted 3 errors. It likely caused by you were in prefab editing mode, rather than scene editing.

[wary wedge]

Oh

[obtuse elk]

@desert elk opinions?

[cosmic flax]

anyone knows why questies see my hoodie pink(error texture) when my other avatar which is the same one but with a different texture they can see ok

[desert elk]

did you set up a quest shader for the hoodie?
usually pink - missing shader

[lofty rampart]

Is anyone else having an issue with the review any alerts tap not going down???

[surreal salmon]

Anyone ever try to increas the size of chest on a model by adding a blend shape just for said blend shape to completely disable phybones?

[obtuse elk]

you're using pc shader on quest somehow

can a vrchat bone be affected by more than 1 scale constraint?

[cosmic flax]

no

its the vrchats diffuse shader used on the entire mayu avi

and the hoodie somehow is pink for quest people, i even tried to compress the texture so much it has only 75kbs, i never had this issue in my 5 years of making avis

[cosmic flax]

^^

[obtuse elk]

i'm so confused

[desert elk]

diffuse isn't even an avatar shader I believe

[desert elk]

not an avatar shader

quest avatars can use: toon lit, standard lite, mat cap lit
for quest particles: multiply, additive

sdk doesn't make that clear

switch to one of those and try again

[cosmic flax]

but i been using diffuse everywhere on every avatar for 5 years and never had any issues with it

[desert elk]

okay, but that's not what it's for

it's not supposed to be used like this

[cosmic flax]

like the avatar works fine on quest, just the hoodie is pink while on my other avatar i use the same thing with different texture

and it works

[desert elk]

it shouldn't even let you upload that avatar tbh

[cosmic flax]

and i tried every mobile shader everysingle one of them was pink

[desert elk]

did you really?

[cosmic flax]

i was with my quest friend, and i tried every shader

[desert elk]

is it pink in unity or only in game?

[cosmic flax]

every was pink

[cosmic flax]

he says game only

[desert elk]

can you not see the unity project?

[cosmic flax]

i thought it could be his issue, but even in public lobbies i get told its pink

[cosmic flax]

?

in unity its all ok

it looks how its supposed to, but in game quest people see it pink

and like i said, this is a copy of my other avatar, with just different textures for the fur and stuff and it works ok

for questies

[desert elk]

the only thing I can recommend is switching to toonlit, standard lite or MatCap and seeing again. Maybe your avatar didn't update properly when you switched the shaders before

[obtuse elk]

eli, add me on discord, i want to ask for help without flooding the chat -w-

[cosmic flax]

but this one while its the exact same thing people cant see the texture, its pink

[desert elk]

@obtuse elk why the friends request?

help is here

I don't do dms

[obtuse elk]

:< i'm sorry

[desert elk]

it's called "avatar-help" for a reason

[cosmic flax]

i did that milion times at this poinnntttt

i been trying to fix it and been testing it for 4 days straight

[desert elk]

let me ask you something, are you uploading the avatar again after switching the shader or are you just switching it in unity and not uploading?

cause I've had people not upload stuff again and be confused why nothing changes

[cosmic flax]

im not stupid, ofc i upload it every time

[desert elk]

just making sure

I didn't say you were

[cosmic flax]

i said i make avatars for 5 year at this point

[desert elk]

okay

[cosmic flax]

i never had this issue

[desert elk]

is it an asset available to buy somewhere? or did you make it yourself?

[cosmic flax]

its from gumroad

its from gumroad

used by every mayu avi at this point

as i said, i have this same asset on 4 different avatars

each works fine, and they are all made the same way this one is

the only difference is texture

[desert elk]

well I have no idea 🤷

[cosmic flax]

and i tried to use a png, psd and even tried re exporting the textures

everything

it sucks, and i dont understand why its not working when in this same exact project i have the other avatar which works fine, so weird

[obtuse elk]

what shader u using?

[cosmic flax]

just read the conversation, its somehwere in there

[obtuse elk]

diffuse is not supported

it's also up there

[desert elk]

that's what I was saying!

[cosmic flax]

yeah, thats why every avatar i got it with works fine sure

[desert elk]

but apparently I'm wrong

🤷

[cosmic flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730948173379535022/1352267892082606080/image.png?ex=67dd651d&is=67dc139d&hm=79655a841faa5dc8a89182401f7894e7a6e1624d669d5cf7ec5143b50b9be29f&

[obtuse elk]

old vrcsdk supported it

[cosmic flax]

these are literally quest shaders

[desert elk]

I told you

sdk didn't make it clear

which ones are okay to use

are you even using an up-to-date sdk version?

[cosmic flax]

i think im gonna explode, this aint a support channel bruh

[desert elk]

I'm trying to help

diffuse isn't supported

you're the one refusing to believe it

[obtuse elk]

cry abt it tbh

ur being a dick

[cosmic flax]

if its isnt tell all my avatars and friends avatars that work with the vrchat diffuse shader

there is no other shader that works on quest

other than the shaders made by vrchat

they are not in "vrchat>mobile>" for nothing

especially when the sdk tells u to use those

[desert elk]

im not gonna say it again
when I try to use defuse it tells me "using unsupported shader, please change"

[obtuse elk]

root mobile folder, not children folders

[desert elk]

they are there because sdk isn't well organized

the message should be clearer yes I agree

[cosmic flax]

interesting that the sdk never tells me that and i and everyone i know who makes avatars uses those for the android version of their avatars

[desert elk]

interesting

[cosmic flax]

i literally bought an avatar that was ready to be uploaded straight away with quest and pc version and they even used the same shaders, and what happened u think? the avatar looks normal on quest

[obtuse elk]

vrchat/mobile contains both world and avatar, but the other shaders such as diffused, weren't a thing when they created the message.

[cosmic flax]

my entire avatar uses the vrchat>mobile>diffuse shader and quests can see everything except the hoodie

while on my other avatar the same hoodie has the same shader

and works fine on quest

[obtuse elk]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-to-the-wall-gif-25370159

[cosmic flax]

thats how i feel like

[strong zephyr]

Does anyone know anything about Blender? Specifically Weight Paint. I need help, desperately

[desert elk]

what's the problem?

[strong zephyr]

Hi, I'm having difficulty subtracting weight paint from a specific bone or vertex group. I either select the vertex group item or I ctrl shift select a bone from front bone view, either way, when I click and drag the curser around the effected area of the mesh, the subtract doesn't affect the area. Accumulated is unchecked, Auto Normalized is unchecked, Draw is the only option that works with subtract. Note: Just as I can't subtract weight, I can't add weight either. What am I doing wrong? I've adjusted the Radius, Strength, Weight toggles, everything, nothing is working.

[cosmic flax]

funny you been saying its not supported while i been using it forever and it works fine

[desert elk]

you're not listening to us at all

what version of sdk are you on?

[cosmic flax]

just this one time it decided not to work on a singular hoodie and its not suported? what are u even talking about

[desert elk]

we're saying the truth

[cosmic flax]

dude i use the creator companion, i think its clear its the newest

[desert elk]

okay

I didn't know rhat

[cosmic flax]

than if its not supported explain all the avatars using it and working

[desert elk]

read the messages again please

[desert elk]

cough cough

[cosmic flax]

and it still does, cuz my avatar has those shaders

and they work

just the damn hoodie

i think you guys are the ones sitting on your ears cuz ur ignoring the part where i clearly said that same shader works fine on the entire avatar

just not the hoodie

[strong zephyr]

Anyboody?

[obtuse elk]

i'm sorry, i have no knowledge regarding blender

[strong zephyr]

It's ok, I'm just trying to find anybody that would know anything

[desert elk]

i've never had this problem unfortunately

[pine valley]

Do other tools like Blur or Smear work?

[strong zephyr]

No

[pine valley]

If you create a new Cube object, can you paint weights on it?

[strong zephyr]

Let me see, Hold on

[strong zephyr]

No, it's not working

[pine valley]

Create a completely new file and see if you can paint in there

That should work, at least

[strong zephyr]

Wait, Yes, I can add paint

To the cube

[pine valley]

Okay, so a new object in the same file does work

[strong zephyr]

Yes

[pine valley]

hmm, i'm not aware of a way to mask weight painting other than using these modes

[balmy barn]

select bone you want to remove some weightpainting use subtract and ctrl+alt+mouseclick drag (blender LOVE to change shortcuts so your blender version it might be different) how id do it

it add/removes stuff in a radius

[pine valley]

that looks like the Gradient tool

but you're using the Draw tool in that video, interesting

do you know the name of that operator? i can't figure it out on my mac

[strong zephyr]

Unfortunately I cannot use that method. I have unchecked emulate 3 button mouse. Still doesn't work. I'm using a laptop btw. No Number pad.

[pine valley]

ah, there it is for me

[fierce thunder]

My character is still T-posing after going into play mode with gesture manager, how do i fix that? yes i have an avatar description and animator.

[pine valley]

Anyway, I'm not sure what else could be causing weight painting to just Not Work on the body

I'd try things like duplicating the body mesh and trying to paint on that

might give you more information

[pine valley]

(i love the operator search window)

[strong zephyr]

It's shift Alt A for me, and no, that didn't work

[pine valley]

one thing that's odd is how most of the model is that dark gray

instead of the purple I'd expect to see for a weight of zero

It reminds me of how you can mask parts of the mesh in Sculpt Mode

Make sure the vertex groups aren't locked

The bones don't look locked

you'd get a little warning if this was the case

[strong zephyr]

Bros! I imported it into a new scene, and it's working now. I don't know what happened.

[somber sequoia]

.... I just read through all of that, yeah that's weird 🙂

[frail temple]

Anyone have any experience with ASCII.Mesh files or XNALARA?

When importing models within ASCII.Mesh format, In XNALARA they look completely fine, however when importing into blender, their textures get screwed

[somber sequoia]

I'd start by looking at the UV maps - maybe there's more than one?

[frail temple]

This is what they should look like

[frail temple]

Uhhhhh, i think i've found the culprit

[somber sequoia]

ooh what is it?

[frail temple]

I don't think that's normal, is it?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what I'm looking at or why we're looking at it in Unity

[frail temple]

I think the mesh gets broken when converted from ASCII.Mesh into blender or when exported as a FBX

or am i wrong?

it has the same deforms as it does on Blender

[somber sequoia]

a) I don't know what you just did
b) I'd have assumed it'd be the same as in blender, but I guess it's good to confirm?

[frail temple]

Oh i just exported it from blender to unity to see if it's a blender rendering issue

[somber sequoia]

okay, yeah I don't see why that would be any different at all

[frail temple]

But yeah, even when removing all materials from the model, the models persists to look like this

There's no materials or textures on this model

[somber sequoia]

if there are no materials, that's probably vertex colors

[balmy barn]

import, atlas , remove material, create new use atlas ,merge by distance, remove geometry data (clear custom normals and sharp) , ascii messy

hiddious still

[frail temple]

How tf did you get the model lol

[balmy barn]

you showed image of it, easy reverse image

shade flat for that pointy mesh look

(upscaled image abit way low res)

smooth face it messes up model alot

get wierdness like that

better

[steel marsh]

I have the same issue

[somber sequoia]

I'm surprised the SDK lets you upload an unsupported shader.

[frail temple]

i spent like 30 minutes trying to learn how to open ascii meshes and save over the weight painting and rig and you somehow reverse image'd it, tidied it in like 5 minutes lol

[somber sequoia]

(assuming I read the history right)

[desert elk]

yes, you read it right

[balmy barn]

that model have alot of inverted faces so re-calculate them

[steel marsh]

im using matcap, its supported

[somber sequoia]

ah, then a different version of the same issue

[steel marsh]

im assuming its vrcs fault

ive tried everything i can think of, yall were to focused on the shader when that person said it wasnt the issue, im assuming they wanted ideas as what to try, like i do

[pine valley]

there's very little to look at beyond the shader

make sure that the material slot isn't being animated

if you're using VRCFury or anything similar, ensure that the processed avatar isn't using unsupported materials

[steel marsh]

see thats what i mean as far as support, i didnt think of that ill try

[balmy barn]

older quest shaders have some options that doesnt exsist in newer sdk , rememeber this one

[steel marsh]

right now im using a matcap lit shader

[balmy barn]

yeh thats the one i use mostly on my quest av's too

[steel marsh]

this was it

[somber sequoia]

excellent

[neat grail]

What color channels are mapped to what with audiolink on Poiyomi?

[somber sequoia]

you can define those in each section

[neat grail]

Aight

[fresh jacinth]

SOLVED: IT WAS THE LOCK MENUS (already asked on the VRCFury server a couple hours ago, but got no response so far) I usually do all my toggles by hand and use ComboGestureExpressions for my gestures but I felt like trying out VRCFury's built in tools for this project. Everything was uploading to VRChat no problem although my expressions were overlapping and combos were not working so I tried swapping the order and putting combos first (haven't tested if that worked, still figuring these out, I'm fully aware I probably did something wrong there), but when I added some animations to the gestures and tried uploading/turning on play mode, the VRCFury loading bar gets stuck on 33% and doesn't go any further, making it impossible to test. Any ideas and corrections are appreciated! I got no FX layer on or anything.

[true flower]

Wait wait wait wait wait-- when making a menu, I can have multiple controller files in a given slot? Like Character_Base.controller, GogoLoco_ProxyBase.controller, Totally_Made_Up_Example_Base_5.4_reallyfinalthistime_A.controller, etc.?

[somber sequoia]

yeah it probably just sticks the variable into each, which you'd want if you need to do actions in multiple controllers (such as FX for effects and Action to animate the character)

[pine valley]

i'm not sure what you mean here -- menus and controllers are unrelated

[true flower]

Sometimes an avatar I've bought comes with its own custom controllers, but I also want to add GogoLoco, and I was of the impression that only one controller file per slot

[pine valley]

oh, I see what you're talking about

No, you have to either:

• Permanently merge the controllers with a tool like Avatars 3.0 Manager
• Merge the controllers during the avatar build with something like VRCFury

[true flower]

Ah. OK. I can work with that. This video I just watched dragged the files into.. I guess, "Playable Layers"?... that already had files in them, and I thought there were multiple files being placed there. Confused me for a moment, but maybe they were alrady there and I just missed the movement

[true flower]

Thank you for the definitive answer, it's amazing how much a simple "No" can help when there's an explanation backing it up.

[pine valley]

Ah, no, that just replaced the existing reference

For GoGoLoco, installing it through VRCFury is pretty damn painless

[arctic ginkgo]

does anyone know exactly how physbone positions and grabbing/posing are synced? I haven't been able to find documentation that goes into as much detail as I need. My main question is how physbones will behave for the player interacting with them, the local player, and other remote players.

If for some remote users, grabbing is enabled, but for the local user and all other remote users grabbing is disabled, then when this user attempts to grab the physbone, what will happen?

• the user cannot grab the physbone
• the user grabs the physbone, but it does not sync to anyone
• the user grabs the physbone, and those who locally have grabbing enabled can see it, but those with grabbing locally disabled won't see it
• the user grabs the physbone and it syncs for everyone
• something else???

[true flower]

Yeah, I've managed it a few times, but occasionally there's a custom file already there... I can learn how to merge them in due course (not a priority right now) but I did have the idea that two files in one slot would make that easier. 😅

[arctic ginkgo]

same thing with posing as well

I wanted to make a system that allows some remote users, but not all, to interact with physbones

[somber sequoia]

Yeah this VRCFury feature doesn't get you more controllers, just allows one action to happen to multiple existing controllers already on the avatar

You also don't have to merge controllers, Fury has the "Full Controller" component that'll do that in the build hook

[true flower]

On the subject of "No is the answer", I have another question: Can I assume (since I can't find any references to support the idea) that I cannot have a menu (like a TwoAxisPuppet radial menu, say for facial emotes) linked to a controller button (like say, the right grip) so I don't have to open the Action menu each time, as well as not having all the emotes linked to controller buttons (like having an angry face showing every time I want to walk forward)?

"HOW" is my problem to solve, I just need to know if it's worth the effort to overthink the idea

[somber sequoia]

you can't read controller buttons, but you can link that to a hand gesture such as fist

[arctic ginkgo]

you want to have multiple methods of controlling your expressions? you can do that, it's up to you how to set up the logic though.

[true flower]

I want to not have one button doning multiple things, like walking AND emoting at the same time. This was my Plan B to stop that (PLan A is to rework everything through FaceEmo and just reduce the emotes in general, or at least make it harder to accidentally turn them on)

[arctic ginkgo]

You could have one thing override another if not idle, or have a toggle controlling it. For example, left hand vs right hand. Here are some different setups I've seen/made:

• One hand overrides the other (if right hand isn't idling, left hand can't control expressions)
• Toggle changes control (Toggle switches between left hand controlling and right hand controlling expressions)
• Combination expressions (Left hand or right hand alone have their own expressions, and puppeting them together creates new expressions or layers them)

[arctic ginkgo]

You can do that fs, the only thing is you can't get direct inputs from the controllers

[true flower]

Oooo! That's a great idea! And much less hassle

[arctic ginkgo]

movement for example, you don't get input from your thumbstick, but you can get your world velocity

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#parameters

[true flower]

OK.... I can work with that. Knowing what I can't do is an important part of this process. 😅

[arctic ginkgo]

here's the documentation on all "default" parameters, which are read only parameters that give you information on your avatar

reading through this should give you an idea of what information is accesible to you, and from there it's just a matter of setting up logic/conditions for how you want to operate based on that info

and ofc there's ways to collect your own data on things, like other toggles, avatar interactions (physbones, contacts) and OSC for external input/output

[true flower]

Exactly what I needed. Thank you! 🥰

[true flower]

Those might be beyond my skill set just yet, but good to know they're attainable goals

[arctic ginkgo]

OSC is super cool, although it's dependent on you setting it up and having external access to the data (as well as either knowing a programming language or having the data you need already havning a program set up to work with VRChat's OSC implementation)

for example, my partner uses VRCOSC to read the weather in their local area, which they can input to their chatbox, as well as avatar parameters. I used these parameters to set up animations that visualize the weather above their head

so there's cloud particles, rain, snow, etc that make it look like their avatar is experiencing the same weather they are IRL

[true flower]

Heh... The last programming language I was taught was BASIC. I can follow the logic once I learn the vocabulary and syntax, but I would need formal learnin' to make actual headway, there.

Again, thank you! This is very appreciated and helpful. 🥰

[arctic ginkgo]

Of course!

Feel free to ping me if you have any other questions

[true flower]

Will do! Thank you! 😁

[rotund agate]

i have this custom crouching pose that i posed in blender, made it an action layer and exported as an fbx for unity to read, and it looks fine in unity, inluding while using the gesture manager, but when i built a test avatar and look ingame it doesnt seem to play right, this also happens for my crawl/prone pose (for reference im playing desktop, so it has nothing to do with my irl pose)

[obtuse elk]

is it possible to make the size constraint change value in different way, depending on different parameters?

so, when parameter "x" (float) is triggered, the x dimention gradually changes, depending on it's value, and the same for y and z dimentions, depending on parameters "y" and "z"

[arctic ginkgo]

the issue is you created an action layer, rather than a base layer. Base is what controls your locomotion/idles. Edit the default locomotion layer (or gogo loco if that's what you're using) to use your animations for the idles

[unreal pasture]

this image is like 2 years old, why did they remove the option to use images with particles and form the shape color etc

[rotund agate]

oh, no it is in the "base" controller, its a blender specific action layer, which is used to export animations/poses

"action editor" its called in blender

[arctic ginkgo]

ohh alright, I'm not 100% sure what the issue is then, but it could be something with additive animations if you're using gogo loco?

[rotund agate]

i have no idea what gogoloco is

[arctic ginkgo]

it's a prefab by franada that is use for "fake" fbt poses and OVR space drag, fixes some stuff with sitting in seats with FBT, as well as some other gimmicks and comes with "default" controllers that are better set up than the default ones and easier to edit

[rotund agate]

one thing i do think could be a cause is that my leg animations could maybe be swapped somehow? so my crouch uses the prone leg anim but my prone uses the crouch anim? but idk why that would be the case when its not like that in blender or unity

[arctic ginkgo]

it's most useful for VR players without FBT, and least useful for VR players with FBT, but it still has a lot of nice features for Desktop and FBT players, as well as making custom controllers easier for avatar creators

One feature you'd probably find particularly useful is the idle pose swap feature

[rotund agate]

interesting

[arctic ginkgo]

it has a selection of idle poses for each stage of "upright" (standing, crouching, crawling) and you can change each individually

and you can mirror them for asymmetrical poses

it also is set up in a way that makes it easy to add additional poses or swap the animations

[rotund agate]

i'll take a look at that later then

[arctic ginkgo]

tbh it does pretty much exactly what you are doing rn, you'd just have to swap the default animations with your animations OR add additional animations and toggles

[rotund agate]

👍

[somber sequoia]

I'm not seeing anything here you can't do now?

[unreal pasture]

Cap

You literally cant do it now

Try it

[somber sequoia]

sorry, what can't you do?

[arctic ginkgo]

you can still do this i just set up one with my avatar rn

[pine valley]

you know, i'm not sure how i'd do that

[somber sequoia]

mesh emitter

[pine valley]

ah

Yeah, there it is

[arctic ginkgo]

not mesh colors

[obtuse elk]

help

[arctic ginkgo]

texture

[pine valley]

oh shoot

[pine valley]

I never thought about why that property was even there

that's cool!

[somber sequoia]

sorry I mean texture, yes.

mesh emitters are fun

[pine valley]

(i imagine you can also do it with vertex colors, but a texture is much easier to work with in this case)

[arctic ginkgo]

you don't need mesh colors on, i just don't have any on mine so it doesn't matter if i have it on or off

[pine valley]

I do love vertex data, though, so I'll keep that in mind

[somber sequoia]

yeah if you don't use the texture option it'll sample mesh colors

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm also using the "one material" setting so it looks better for demonstration bc i have outlines on my model so that doesn't really work lol

with all materials it just looks like dippin dots

[arctic ginkgo]

you can do this with parameter driver "add" function and smooth with float smoothing

[unreal pasture]

yeah upload it

[arctic ginkgo]

i've already uploaded stuff like this before..

[unreal pasture]

do it rn

and use an actual image

[arctic ginkgo]

okay

i'm on quest so i'll have to use quest shaders but give me a few mins

[pine valley]

it sounds like you're encountering an error

and instead of telling us the error, you're asking a vaguely related question

[unreal pasture]

cap no error

All my avatars i uploaded with that setting all got changed

Obviously they did something

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm uploading rn i'll let you know what happens

[obtuse elk]

uhhhh

v~v i dunno wat dat means

[arctic ginkgo]

when X is the "triggered" value (you said this is a float so I assume either 1 or 0.5), transition to an animation state that spams transitions between it and another with a parameter driver on it. If you want it to be smooth then use a DBT and AAPs to create a feedback loop that smooths an ouput float, then use that float to control the weight of an animation in the DBT that changes the size of the object

[bronze karma]

Why do other people see my avatar like this in front of a camera?

[arctic ginkgo]

looks like your pants aren't enabled for them

[arctic ginkgo]

hmm what do they look like for you? I have an issue with it as well, it is all white

[bronze karma]

in the fx if it is activated

parameters also

[unreal pasture]

Exactly

All broken

[obtuse elk]

could we maybe go into a vc, and i'll explain, what i'm trying to do, in the first place?

i'm a dum dum

no clue how to use fx layer e.t.c

[arctic ginkgo]

it's probably best that you learn how to create basic toggles before doing something more complicated

[obtuse elk]

it's pretty basic

trust me

i figured out an easier way

[arctic ginkgo]

okay what is your method?

[somber sequoia]

if you don't know how to make a toggle, you'll probably want to learn that first.

[obtuse elk]

i'd have to explain, what i'm doing first

[frail temple]

@balmy barn I am gonna be honest with you, i still have no idea how you did what you did

[arctic ginkgo]

if you don't know "how to use fx layer" then i'm not sure how you could know how basic or advanced it is

[rich leaf]

how do i control on what my avatar look to other people when they see my avatar in shield avatar display?

[arctic ginkgo]

depends on what their shield settings do for you

you can control things like animations, lights, particles or fulling blocking the avatar

so they may see your normal avatar minus animations, lights, or particles, or they may see you as an imposter if your avatar is perf blocked or not compatible with their platform. If their shield settings fully block your avatar, they will see you as a robot, and if they have your avatar culled they will see you as a gray diamond

[rich leaf]

ok, for example. when they see my avatars in shield display, i have all my clothes and Accessories toggles on for them

[arctic ginkgo]

generally, you want your avatar in the scene to look like how you want people to see your avatar without it fully enabled

so they way it looks when you upload it is what they will see (this applies to people who hide your animations as well as people who see your imposter)

[bronze karma]

in the fx if it is activated
parameters also

[arctic ginkgo]

you may have to regenerate your imposter however if one already exists and it is not what you want it to look like

[arctic ginkgo]

are they on a different platform?

[arctic ginkgo]

what are you having issues with? from what I saw the main issue was just some normals inverted, just need to recalculate normals like Thulen said, is there another issue?

[frail temple]

I recalculated the normals (i think)

[obtuse elk]

i know a little bit, just not sure if i actually do

like

it's hard to explain

;-;

[arctic ginkgo]

looks to me like some of the normals are still inverted, what does it look like with backface culling or face orientation shown in blender?

[arctic ginkgo]

do you know how to set up a toggle?

[obtuse elk]

yeah

[arctic ginkgo]

so you do know how to use the FX layer?

you said you did not

[obtuse elk]

...

come on

[arctic ginkgo]

?

i'm just trying to get an understanding of your skill level

[obtuse elk]

it's like saying you know c++, cause you can say
cout<<"hello world":

[frail temple]

Backface culling is On

[arctic ginkgo]

try going to the vertex data tab, then under geometry select "clear custom normals"

if that button isn't there then that wouldn't be the issue lol

it doesn't appear unless you have custom normals

but that may be the issue so i'd check it

[arctic ginkgo]

I would have said "i know a little bit" rather than "I don't know".. what you said was just unclear, so I don't know where your skill level is

[frail temple]

Not there

[obtuse elk]

ok, i'm sorry

just

[arctic ginkgo]

I'm not sure how far I need to break down instructions because I don't know what level of familiarity you have with unity

[obtuse elk]

how is it relevant

oh

ok

my bad

i'm so sorry

[arctic ginkgo]

no need to apologize

[arctic ginkgo]

huh.. the normals look pretty messed up though, you can always check their direction with normal overlay

[arctic ginkgo]

ohhh you have split normals, so either the mesh has islands that it doesn't need (overlapping vertices aren't merged) or your normals are just split, which can be fixed by shading smooth/autosmooth and adjusting the angle

so first i'd try this:

• select everything in edit mode
• press m
• select by distance

[balmy barn]

select everything merge by distance everything then clear custom normals & set shade to flat , smooth make wierd bumps on it yup

[frail temple]

Model already merged when imported, Clear custom normals button is not present

[arctic ginkgo]

okay then next try this:

• be in object mode
• right click object
• select shade smooth OR select auto smooth and set angle to 180

i like setting auto smooth to 180 because it lets you add sharp edges while having everything default to smooth, gives you full control over split normals

[obtuse elk]

i dmed you the details @arctic ginkgo

[desert elk]

what's up with you and dms?

[obtuse elk]

i don't want everyone knowing what i'm working on -w-

[desert elk]

so it's probably against tos

[obtuse elk]

hell no

[desert elk]

most people who insist on dms are either scammers or tos breakers

[obtuse elk]

it's just, something i haven't really seen anywhere, and want to make it an asset (even though it's really simple)

[arctic ginkgo]

no it's not, she's making a gimmick that i've seen on plenty of avatars before

[obtuse elk]

sunshine will confirm

[arctic ginkgo]

idk why she doesn't want others to see it though

[obtuse elk]

awww 🥺 i thought i was original

[desert elk]

haven't looked deep enough i guess

[arctic ginkgo]

sorry i default to they/them but i fixed it bc i saw your bio

[obtuse elk]

huh?

oh

it oke

:3

thamk u

[arctic ginkgo]

no, sorry, i've seen it on at least 2 or 3 avis before done pretty much the same way

usually it's cats for some reason

[obtuse elk]

well

cause

"squish da cat"

[arctic ginkgo]

always cat avatars that have that feature

yeah

[frail temple]

What's the next step?

[arctic ginkgo]

that should've fixed it if it doesn't have custom normals.. i'm not sure what the issue is

can you send a link to the model? i'll look at it in blender and see what's going on

[somber sequoia]

meow?

[balmy barn]

need to recalculate outside or that model full of holes

[frail temple]

you'll have to get the XNALara import addon for it, 2.8 blender

https://www.deviantart.com/cookm3/art/MGS3-Character-Models-Full-Pack-for-XNALara-1073749718

[balmy barn]

xps addon work up to blender 3.6.19 after that i havnt found one that work

[meager quail]

Guys im new to making avis, can i use items that use liltoon and some that use poiyomi in the same avi?

[somber sequoia]

yes

each material can use a different shader, if you want.

[meager quail]

ahh okay thank u :)

[frail temple]

No change

[west kestrel]

anybody have any idea how to fix a uv getting exported like this into substance?

[somber sequoia]

what's wrong with it though?

[bronze loom]

Avatar won't upload and I cant figure why. Can i get some help with these errors?

[glad dirge]

My cybernetic texture keeps getting cutoff here on the arm

there's supposed to be a line goin through it all the way to the other circle

[meager quail]

guys i added this object where i was supposed to add it in the armature and its inside the head, how can i see it now?

[pine valley]

are the lines done entirely on the mesh?

or is it a second mesh that's right on top of the skin?

it looks like it's clipping into the skin

[pine valley]

Press F to focus the camera on the object

see if it's way too big or way too small

[meager quail]

oh i clicked it and its above the avi 😅 i thought it goes into place on its own lol, but thx still, btw can i dm u i need help with another thing

[pine valley]

No, just ask here

[meager quail]

okay

[pine valley]

If those prefabs are attached with VRCFury, just stick them on the root of your avatar

[meager quail]

idk what vrcfury is loll 😭 😅 i just took this object and i got told to put it in this part in the armature, but when i move it into place now will it like move with the other stuff?

[glad dirge]

No it doesn't

It's not clippin inw hich is weird

I change it to transparent and it shows I think that was supposed to be the default

But then the gklow isn't there on the lower arms

the line is tho

[pine valley]

okay, so how are you doing the lines, then?

[balmy barn]

atlas your fbx , delete & remake the material use the atlas texture - then recalculate, ascii does something wierd with its material setting , guessing something with this

[pine valley]

show me the exact instructions

[meager quail]

This is a scramper.
Includes sizes for Manuka, sio, Karin, Lime, Kipfel, Mizuki, and Rurune.
Avatars are not included.
May be usable with other avatars by adjusting the size and position.
Please adjust the size to your liking.

Please contact us if you find any problems.

This item uses liltoon.

How to install
Put the item in Armature→Hips→Spine→Neck→Head.

This is translated from japanese, maybe its not so good to understand😅

[pine valley]

okay, so it is intended to be attached directly

[pine valley]

Make sure that you drag it directly from the project window onto the Head bone, rather than dragging it into the scene somewhere else

that can affect its size and position

[meager quail]

yea i did that

[pine valley]

I guess you can just move it until it's in the right spot, but that is odd

[remote hatch]

anyone know how to weight paint the collar of a shirt so that it doesn't bend in a weird way

[meager quail]

okay i will dp that then, thank you for your help! :) but one more thing will it move with the part its supposed to go on then when i move that part?

its supposed to go on teeth

[pine valley]

It's weighted to your shoulder.

Get rid of that weight

or, more accurately, ensure that the shoulder weight is uniform for the entire collar

It can still move the collar, but it needs to move the entire collar by the same amount

[pine valley]

isn't it just attached to your head?

[meager quail]

idk 😅 this is the first time io use unity, like i drag it onto head armature in the hierarchy and now i want to test if it moves also when i move the character but i dont know how to move it in unity

like i mean how to open the mouth

[remote hatch]

thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

[bronze loom]

bumping this casue i still need help

[pine valley]

Errors 1-4: Objects have invalid parents.
Errors 5-7: Your animator is missing some objects. These could be entire layers or just single states.
Errors 8-11: The upload failed (these aren't interesting)

It sounds like you've got a mangled project

[bronze loom]

Thats the thing ive been cleaning it up for 2 days now

[pine valley]

these are problems that shouldn't be possible just by using the editor

One thing you can try is reimporting all assets. You can do that by closing the project, deleting the Library folder, and then reopening the project.

This will take a while, and it'll open into an empty scene (because the editor is going to forget which scene was open!)

It's much more common for things to go wrong in the Library, which is where Unity stores the results of asset imports

This can cause inscrutable errors

However, I feel like you've just got an invalid animator controller asset here

[pine valley]

This should pose no risk to the assets, but you should make a backup first anyway

[bronze loom]

IM using an existing controller but i deleted a few things from it that i didn't need anymore, would it be safer to to just reimport it?

[trail burrow]

ok. Got a fairly complex question here. Anyone know how to do this in the FX layer?
I have an animation 'X' that needs to be played in motion time with parameter 'G'. so if G is at 0.5, X is at 0.5. make sense? But i also need this multiplied by parameter 'E'. So basically, even if G is at 1.0, x should be at 0, if E is at 0. but then if E is at 1, and G is 0, X should still be 0.

No, i cannot disclose what G E and X actually are. sorry. and thanks in advance!

and the basic gist: fx layer parameters G and E need multiplied together to drive X. can even use more parameters, or make a new one as the product of G*E and use that. but idk how

[pine valley]

Multiplying parameters is one of the easiest possible things you can do!

[trail burrow]

oh?

[pine valley]

(animator math is wild)

https://vrc.school/docs/Other/Advanced-BlendTrees/

Check this out

I'd go with the direct blend tree method

Note that this will add one frame of latency.

So if you multiply A * B to get C, you'll get the value of A * B from one frame ago in C

[trail burrow]

one frame ago is fine

[pine valley]

it's great

especially once you start automating it, ha

[unreal pasture]

GAH DAMN

[glad dirge]

?

[unreal pasture]

[pine valley]

Also, if you want to clamp the influence of A and B, that's also doable

so, suppose you want A * B, but A and B are both clamped to [0, 1]

you'd use the 1D blend tree method on that page

[opaque dagger]

can somebody help me uploading an avatar?? i have an alert that i dont know how to fix lol
better to dm me so i can share my screen

[pine valley]

Show the error you're getting, at the very least

[opaque dagger]

sure

im new to this but i think the main problem is the first one, if not, i can screenshot the rest

[pine valley]

Yes, only the first message there is a blocker

I see you're using GoGoLoco. How did you install it?

[balmy barn]

710k avatar

[opaque dagger]

hehe

[pine valley]

i misread that as 71k at first

[unreal pasture]

Nothing

[opaque dagger]

it came with the avatar, i think

[unreal pasture]

That’s prob why then

[meager quail]

guys can someone help me i applied this object here but when i upload the model everything works except the object i added isnt there, does it has smth to do with the symbol i circled?

[pine valley]

click the "Select" button and look at the menu asset in the inspector

[pine valley]

oh, I see, these are fangs

[meager quail]

yess

[pine valley]

and no, that + icon just means that you've added an object to a prefab instance in the scene

and the blue box means that the object itself is a prefab instance

[meager quail]

ah okay, but why doesnt it show ingame?

[pine valley]

does it even show up in the editor?

[meager quail]

yes

[trail burrow]

these work, yes. but i need the animation driven off motion time and it doesn't show how to get the multiplied value as a parameter for that

[opaque dagger]

this one??

[trail burrow]

i'd make sure there's not a vrcfury apply during upload thing that is turning them off

firstly

[meager quail]

i dont have vrcfury i dont know what that is 😅

[pine valley]

The example here is animating a parameter called "Output"

[pine valley]

Ah, I probably should've mentioned the other piece of the puzzle...

https://vrc.school/docs/Other/AAPs

You can animate parameters.

[pine valley]

Select the "RadialPuppet" controls. One will probably have an error.

I don't know why that'd happen, though.

[opaque dagger]

like that??

[pine valley]

That one is fine.

[opaque dagger]

oooh, yes, the first one has the error

[pine valley]

I wouldn't expect there to be any problems in the GoGoLoco menus, unless you've made changes to the parameter list or modified the menus.

[opaque dagger]

nope, nothing

[opaque dagger]

maybe i can put Go/Float in there too?? i dont know how it works

[pine valley]

No, you shouldn't mess with the controls themselves

[opaque dagger]

ok ok

[pine valley]

what does this take you to if you double-click it?

[pine valley]

so there're supposed to be other parameters prefixed with Go/

i have these in my original Go All parameter list, for example

[opaque dagger]

let me see

nope, only those i show you

[pine valley]

I noticed that you're almost out of parameter space (250/256 bits).

there isn't enough to add another float parameter

[opaque dagger]

oooh

[balmy barn]

remove those 99.999999% sure you arent using them

[pine valley]

yeah, you could toss those two

[meager quail]

@pine valley could this be the problem? idk if it showed before i added the fangs aswell can i see what mesh doesnt have this Read/Write thing?

[still shuttle]

Use vrcfurys parameter compressor and you'll be fine

[pine valley]

I'd expect you to be missing a bunch of parameters

[pine valley]

That's in the mesh importer settings.

you should be able to hit Auto Fix

(the importer settings are found on the actual model assets, in the Project window)

[bronze loom]

It refuses to upload still

[pine valley]

unhide all of those warnings

you're only showing error messages right now, and there may be something interesting

[pine valley]

scroll to the end, right before the errors

[meager quail]

i dont see it 😭 do u mean here?

[pine valley]

hm, nothing really interesting there

[pine valley]

click the "Auto Fix" button. It should be right next to that error in the SDK window.

[meager quail]

okay i will try that then, thank you :)

[bronze loom]

why wont it upload then ahhh

[pine valley]

Can you click on the first error message and show the entire message? It'll appear in the bottom half of the console window

e.g.

[meager quail]

it still doesnt show ingame

[pine valley]

okay, no goodies in there

Can you upload any other avatars?

this could include a new avatar that's just a cube

[bronze loom]

Yep

[frail temple]

Yeah i've got no ideam nothing's working like how thulen did it

How the fuck did he fix the avatar in 5 minutes and i can't fix it in 2 hours?

[meager quail]

@pine valley sry that i add u again but do u have a idea?

[pine valley]

Did the avatar actually upload?

[meager quail]

yes this is from ingame rn

but the fangs are not there

[pine valley]

That doesn't mean the avatar was successfully uploaded

if it failed, you'll have an old version in-game

[meager quail]

when i uploaded it i put this description and it also shows here this description or does that mean it could still be the old version?

[pine valley]

The description, name, etc. are not part of the avatar upload

[meager quail]

ah okay

[pine valley]

They're edited on their own

[meager quail]

but how do i upload it then succesfully?

[pine valley]

make sure you get the banner saying that the avatar was successfully uploaded to VRChat

[meager quail]

in unity?

[pine valley]

Yes.

You'll see in the control panel window.

[meager quail]

okay i willl try again

[pine valley]

It will explicitly tell you that the upload was successful.

[meager quail]

do i have to auto fix all the problems it tells me?

[pine valley]

you have not been building the avatar at all yet

clicking on the button with the big error message on it won't do anything...

so yes, fix those errors

[meager quail]

okay thanks it works now :)

[opaque dagger]

sorry to ping you again, if you are busy just tell me
i removed some of those parameters and now i have 229/256, should i do something now??

[frail temple]

Yeah i did what you said but this just happens instead

[pine valley]

tbh, trying to fix a merged-in copy of GoGoLoco is going to be a huge headache

[somber sequoia]

it's pretty easy to remove again if you actually want to.

the parts it adds are pretty obvious

[pine valley]

yeah

i'd just nuke it and install it via VRCFury

you can throw the parameter compressor on to make more space for it

[craggy quartz]

could anyone help me this my first world im working and don't have a lot of knowledge of it if someone is free a call can help me alot

[frail temple]

@balmy barn I really apologise for the extended trouble but can you tell me the exact steps you took? I have no idea if I just have different import settings or because I am using blender 2.8 but everything I do either just doesn't work or is done wrong

I have serious egg on my face

[desert elk]

this is avatar help

go to #world-development maybe

[craggy quartz]

ggot i didnt see it

[fleet zephyr]

Hi everyone! I'm having trouble building an avatar on the SDK, I hope this is the right channel

I'm having this warning for a desktop avatar, it's limiting my material slots to a maximum of 4. I think it's stuck on the Quest requisites, because I could add as many as needed before

[timber wharf]

switch to quest and back, sdk sometimes does that

[fleet zephyr]

Oh, I'll try that! Thank you!

[balmy barn]

try this might want to pause randomly

import - join meshes - merge by distance - atlas - delete & remake material with atlas - recalculate outside - remove custom normals

(gotto go fast)

[fleet zephyr]

That was it! It's back to normal, thanks!!

[mellow scaffold]

even after removing the correct amount of physbones, quest still cant see my physbones

help

[stray gorge]

hey guys i have a question, my friend made me a texture for the old mayu cat model which means it is only one texture. Ive been wanting to make the newest version of the mayu for a while but it now is split into two textures which is the head and body.

i dont know how to go about it though

[pine valley]

Unless the UV layouts match (which I would not expect), it'll require a repaint

[mellow scaffold]

how do i remove this??

[pine valley]

by reducing the number of transforms that are affected by physbones

you have way too many right now

[mellow scaffold]

how do i do that

i cant find

anything

[opaque dagger]

fixed it, ty!! :)

[pine valley]

if a physbone component has 10 children, that's 10 transforms (maybe 11, since you include the object the physbone is on)

[mellow scaffold]

any youtube videos on it?

[stray gorge]

the only thing that is probably different may be the breast (new ones are bigger) and maybe some new blend shapes

so i dont know if that would have the same uv layer

without the blend shape though they do seem the same

[mellow scaffold]

how do i remove the unnessesary transforms?

[pine valley]

If you have end bones on your model, you could make the physbone components ignore them (since they don't do anything)

Otherwise, you'd need to reduce the number of bones

and/or remove some physbone components

[mellow scaffold]

i have 6 physbones, max is 8

and may too many transforms

[mellow scaffold]

how do i make them be ignored

[stray gorge]

how do i do it to even test?

[desert elk]

blender

or look at the textures

if they look the same

[pine valley]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/physbones/#transforms

[mellow scaffold]

where do i locate the 'ignore'

part

[pine valley]

note that you have to type in a size

it's a bit clunky

[native rampart]

Yall know the fix to this?

[desert elk]

go to the rig menu

and press configure

and assign the correct bones

[desert elk]

click your fbx in the assets, click rig in the inspector, click configure

remember to apply after you're done

[native rampart]

where is the rig menu?

[desert elk]

i tell you here

[native rampart]

what is it under

[desert elk]

i don't think you pressed the correct thing

try doing this instead

[native rampart]

ohhh, its because i unpacked the prefabs

thanks

[desert elk]

yeah, you shouldn't have

[halcyon blade]

What is going on?? I have the parameters correct but it says I still have the ones from a different avatar??

And it perfectly works while I use gesture manager

[pine valley]

One possibility: you changed a control type, and it still remembers settings for the old control type

It won't show up in the menu's inspector at all, but it'll still cause an error in the SDK window

[halcyon blade]

Ohhh, do I have to make a new one?

[pine valley]

nah

[halcyon blade]

Then how do I solve this?

[pine valley]

ah, but I wonder if this is something else

I was going to say to try changing the control types (e.g. Toggle -> Radial Puppet) and seeing if invalid parameter names appear

[halcyon blade]

alright

[pine valley]

but if the SDK window is saying you're using parameters that are from a completely different avatar, that's a bit odd..

[pine valley]

Check that first.

[halcyon blade]

it does apply the error to my toggles but still keeping the old ones

[pine valley]

i'm not sure what you mean by that

show me a screenshot of an error

[halcyon blade]

the "ears" control is the one i changed to a radial

it still kept the old toggles

[south nova]

Huh

[halcyon blade]

this is crazy

i am so confused

oh well it seems that i was a menu issue, it looks like it was bugged i guess

that was really weird

[pine valley]

You wouldn't be permanently changing the controls -- just seeing if any invalid parameter names are "stuck"

but yeah, that makes more sense

(especially since it happened with a BUNCH of parameters all at once)

[halcyon blade]

yup

[left gull]

had the same issues so i just removed/cleared them from the other menu entirely, its not a perma fix but will let you upload

[halcyon blade]

mhm! figured out, thanks yall

[split fable]

Hi, I have struggle figuring out why this weird thing happens when I try to move my Model. I thought about weigh painting it but that didn't help. Maybe anybody has another idea how I might solve that problem?

[desert elk]

looks like weight painting

are you sure you checked all the bones?

[split fable]

I will recheck them. Better twice i guess :3

[pine valley]

yeah, this is a common issue -- a few of your vertices are unweighted

alternatively, they're weighted to the hip bone or something

in Unity, unweighted vertices will follow the hip. I dunno what Blender does in that situation

You can click on an offending vertex to see its exact weights

[left gull]

quickest way to recheck is going to the vertex groups, it looks like it should really only have your chest or spine bones in the list

[split fable]

Oh! That might be the case, that they follow another bone O.o
Totally overlooked that case.

[pine valley]

edit mode, vertex selection mode, click on a vertex, and look in the "Item" sidebar

press N to open the sidebar if it isn't visible

To help visualize the problem, you can turn on the "display modifier in edit mode" option on the Armature modifier

[split fable]

Thanks, I'll check that out!

[pine valley]

(otherwise, you'll be looking at the original mesh in edit mode)

and it'll be less obvious which vertex to click on

i've had this problem frequently with some procedurally generated stuff

I finish a 2 hour event and realize I had a random-ass vertex sticking out 4 meters to my left

😭

[split fable]

Ouch xD

I first thought it's just a weird graphic thing so I restarted Blender. After some hours of research I learned about weigh paint and then I started to investigate that one. But apparently I didn't checked all options properly.

[worldly whale]

what do i do to fix this? i edited the fbx in blender then put it back into unity with VERY MINOR changes and everything works and i used pumkin avatar tools to transfer all the things from the og one

and i got this and i dont know how to fix it

[pine valley]

look at your avatar descriptor component

the Visemes section needs a reference to the Renderer that draws your face

[pine valley]

(so that it can control the viseme blendshapes)

If you renamed anything or split/merged meshes, this reference may have gotten lost

[charred beacon]

yo, any wayto fix my hair not having the same lighting as the rest of my body?

[pine valley]

you probably need to set the Anchor Overrides on the renderers

Each renderer samples light from a specific spot

By default, that spot is at the center of the renderer

[charred beacon]

ooooh

[pine valley]

So, your body might be picking up light from around your hips, but your extra bit of hair is sampling from above your head

You can set them all to use your Chest object, or something like that

Of course, this could also just be because your hair material doesn't match your body material

[charred beacon]

let me try the anchor override, never done that before

so basically this then?

[pine valley]

Yep

[charred beacon]

holy moly

[pine valley]

note that this only affects light and reflection probes -- it doesn't matter for realtime lights

[somber sequoia]

there's a bug report on canny for this, but so far it seems to be ignored

but I guess we get new paywalled drone things?

(trying to find you a link to +1 it)

[charred beacon]

Doesnt seem to work, unless this is due to realtime lights? idk the difference between tha and light probes

[somber sequoia]

how the heck do you search for stuff you +1'd

ah here is is: https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/replaced-submenu-prohibits-uploading

[pine valley]

Make sure your materials actually match, too

[somber sequoia]

go +1 that everyone 🙂

[pine valley]

I'm guessing the validation checks if every subParameter is valid, without considering that the current control type might only use some of those subParameter items

(you can use zero, one, two, or four)

oh, this is a slightly different issue -- it's about switching from SubMenu to something else

[somber sequoia]

no it's more that when you turn a menu item from a submenu into some other type, it doesn't clear the submenu-specific fields, then later complains about them being invalid.

[pine valley]

Same premise, though

[somber sequoia]

basically it should either clear those when switching, or not require fields that are not valid for the item type

[charred beacon]

yea exact same, copy pasted

[pine valley]

as in, they're using the same material?

or did you copy the material settings?

[charred beacon]

settings, one sec

[pine valley]

I would try using the same material on both

[charred beacon]

Its prob the light data setting, copy pasted that from the main body and it was different

never checked since I thought it would be the same

[pine valley]

ah, there you go

[charred beacon]

Isnt the eye contact supposed to be here where I placed it? Somehow in vr its like my eye contact is below my chin

[pine valley]

there are no eye contacts

vrchat does not have Three Stooges support built in 😔

I dunno how it estimates the size of your head, if you're asking about that

[somber sequoia]

... why don't I have eye contacts

[charred beacon]

the hell

[proper storm]

how tf do you upload as fallback again?

I dont know where the option that shows if its available or not

I think they moved it on the newer sdk version

[charred beacon]

oh damn just found out that sitting when using standable (with no trackers) makes my viewpoint change position slightly, its on the correct spot when standing

[proper storm]

oh, im getting the thing where i cant upload as a fallback even though its excellent

xd

[short ferry]

So I'm trying to add facial expressions to my avatar but they just refuse to work

they're not toggles they're facial gestures

[proper storm]

xd its all good

odd

[short ferry]

plus when I added the avatar descriptor there was no animation controller

[proper storm]

this happened to me a few months ago and I forgot how to fix it

[short ferry]

yeah I forgot how I fixed it too because I remember fixing it

[somber sequoia]

iirc you have to be on the quest version to upload that. But maybe you also need to do iOS now?

[proper storm]

I cant even switch to ios

I still cant get it working

[somber sequoia]

you'd need the iOS build tools

[proper storm]

oh

I really doubt thats why

[somber sequoia]

well that's why you can't switch to iOS

[proper storm]

I had the exact same issue like 3 months ago

[somber meadow]

press ctrl + shift + b in unity, click the ios tab, follow the instructions to installing it

[proper storm]

no for the fallback

[somber sequoia]

yeah I don't know for sure, haven't tried to make one in a while

[short ferry]

anyone know how to fix avatar descriptor not having an animation controller?

[somber meadow]

can you screenshot what you're asking about

[proper storm]

There shouldnt be one until you put one in

unless you mean the animator component

just add one

[short ferry]

thats what I mean

the animator

[proper storm]

just add one

[short ferry]

I did

[somber meadow]

set your avatar as humanoid if you haven't

[somber sequoia]

do you not have a humanoid right perhaps?

[short ferry]

the problem I'

[somber meadow]

but please provide screenshots

[somber sequoia]

that's often the problem

[short ferry]

no it's humanoid, hold on let me get screenshots

[proper storm]

drag avatar into it from fbx in project

[short ferry]

when I try to animate something, my avatar doesn't go into the motorcycle pose like it should

[somber meadow]

the animator is on the body object, it should be the root with the avatar descriptor

[short ferry]

but it is set to humanoid

[somber meadow]

and your avatar is unpacked

[short ferry]

should it not be unpacked?

[somber sequoia]

there almost no good reason to unpack it

maybe you had one?

[somber meadow]

leave it packed so changes of the FBX can be reflected with no problems. If you unpack it, changing the FBX will cause you to start all over

[short ferry]

ah I see

let me try that

[proper storm]

Fixed it, it was a really stupid reason, you cant make a fallback unless all the avatars in the scene besides the one that you want to be a fallback are deleted

or editor only, i think that also fixes it

[somber sequoia]

huh!

[proper storm]

yeah

[somber sequoia]

I had no idea

[proper storm]

fallback uploading needs to be fixed

maybe its just this avatar in specific

but I doubt it beings how dumb that seems

[short ferry]

So I have another problem, my avatars head looks up slightly. In blender the bones are fine

nvm I reimported it

that fixed it

[native rampart]

can someone take the head image and add the sukuna face marks please!

[left gull]

find a free image editor and add it yourself

[uncut lotus]

BRO the hair wont show up. What do I do?

[native rampart]

yea you right 🤝

[uncut lotus]

Like, the part of the hair shows up gray as if its hidden

[somber sequoia]

hard to see what's going on from there. shrunk with a shape key maybe? some mesh modifier?

[uncut lotus]

I dont have any modifyers besides the armature, but like, you can see here "Hair" is on, but its not visible?

I havent touched shape keys yet either

better pic

[somber sequoia]

yeah, can't see anything interesting there. Maybe show the 'n' sidebar and look in the Item tab to see if it's moved way far from the origin or something

[random trail]

how do i import the vrm file

also the vrm exported looks bad

[grim heart]

Yo, does anyone know why in blender if I move the avatar clothes follow on body, but when I pose it only the clothes move and not the body?

[somber sequoia]

Either there's no armature modifier on the non-moving mesh, or there's no weight paint

or for some reason you have multiple armatures?

[grim heart]

well the non moving mesh is the "body". i tried adding that but nothing happened

[somber sequoia]

moving in Blender is based solely on object parenting

[grim heart]

oh

[somber sequoia]

oh?

[grim heart]

i got it, ig i wasnt suppose to add a veretex group on the body

in the amature menu

[uncut lotus]

I used the cats pluggin to fix to model. It changed a bunch, but fixed the problem. Gotta make a few tweaks though

[somber sequoia]

ah was this MMD or from VRoid?

[uncut lotus]

None really? I tried to set the bone for the tail and forgot to show the hair so I guess thats what happened?

[somber sequoia]

huh, fascinating

[proper storm]

exported fbx from blender, added a shape key, works fine, but this happens in unity

[somber sequoia]

possibly different scaling settings from before?

[proper storm]

Should I go fbx all?

[somber sequoia]

almost always, yes

[proper storm]

yeah it fixed

some cases though it broke it

i dunno why

re-exporting the avatar fucks up random shit sometimes

[somber sequoia]

probably something else wrong and that made it show

[proper storm]

yeah

could be

[somber sequoia]

honestly, I haven't had any issues in years.

worlds either. 100% of the time I have some issue, it's because I the user did something wrong 🙂

(it's why I save my export settings so I don't have to think about it)

[arctic ginkgo]

I've animated my avatar in blender and exported to unity. The feet stay on the ground (hips move up/down) in blender, but not in unity. "Bake into pose" is enabled for Y Root Transform Position, which should make the Y movement in the hips match blender, but it's not. Any ideas?

[proper storm]

uh

fixed

[arctic ginkgo]

still not much luck, although it seems for some reason the Y position isn't changing in the animation within unity whatsoever, even if i export a version with the Y position offset by a meter, no change

importing the animation as generic fixes this issue, so it does seem that the data is being exported correctly..

ah i figured it out, the humanoid mapping was incorrect. I didn't figure this out for a while since this is a duplicate of the original FBX that i'm using specifically for importing animations 🙂

[dark jay]

how do I make hair shine with poiyomi for example like with pokemon scarlet and violet models

[somber sequoia]

anisotropics

[uncut lotus]

Quick question, if I lets say, edit a model on one half in edit mode, weight paint, and forgot to do that to the other side, is there a way to like, symatrize the weight from one side to the other?

[somber sequoia]

Yeah, it's not great but it mostly works, you could just delete the unpainted half then mirror, or you can try to copy weight groups and mirror them

sometimes it doesn't work well

[uncut lotus]

I deleted one half of the model itself and mirrored it

Wait, would I have to do that for the rig?

[proper storm]

how to safely delete unwanted bones in a armature (transferring hair for another base)

i did it like a few hours and forgot, it also fucked my weights

selecting the bones in edit mode selects whole armature

[somber sequoia]

shouldn't have to delete bones, no, if you just make sure they're named properly with .L and .R or similar, the mirror modifier ought to be able to handle it

[night ember]

are you sure the armature is in edit mode

[somber sequoia]

that seems like you're in the wrong mode somehow

[proper storm]

huh it works now

uh

weird

i wasnt in object mode tho no

[night ember]

if you didnt select the armature before changing modes it wont put it in edit mode

[uncut lotus]

Ight thank

[proper storm]

and it was duping the armature

very odd

i dont know if im missing a export setting

the weights just are not applying

[somber sequoia]

remember you can only have four weights apply to any one vertex

[night ember]

they also only add up to 1

[somber sequoia]

yeah usually these are normalization issues

[proper storm]

it works on the original avatar im taking the hair from fine

is it possible im not checking something in the fbx

on unity side

[night ember]

Not really?

Also what does unity have to do with blender/fbx stuff

[proper storm]

maybe the weights on the mesh idk

[night ember]

Unity cant change the fbx's weights

[somber sequoia]

generic?

[proper storm]

the version I exported (with the weights on it) vs the project untouched

[somber sequoia]

oh is this a rigged asset you're attaching in unity?

[proper storm]

yes

I took hair off one base, then put it onto another base

[night ember]

You changed something about it

[sour linden]

How hard is adding gogo loco to an avatar?

[somber sequoia]

pretty simple, the creator wrote extensive docs

[night ember]

Its just slapping the controllers in the slots and adding the menu

[sour linden]

Can you say that again but like ur explaining it to a five year old who basically hasnt used unity.

[somber sequoia]

again, there's a doc for this

[proper storm]

i will re import the base I took the hair from, and then just move the bones, delete some, move again, repeat until it breaks I guess

Ah, I removed the head bone, and there were weights connected to it

the bone for the head used weights for the hair to anchor some stuff I guess

[left gull]

theres VRCFury versions of it iirc so its literally just import the package>find the prefab>drop on the model's armature in the hierarchy>upload the model

[proper storm]

works fine now

[full furnace]

I get this error when trying to upload my avatar to both quest and PC

Any idea how to fix it?

[sour linden]

There being a vrcfury version. Does that mean i need another file

[somber sequoia]

need more info

[sour linden]

Bruv i have NO idea how to unity/vrchat avatar helper thing

[somber sequoia]

you would need VRC Fury, for sure

[left gull]

you'd need to have VRCFury imported before you import the GoGoloco package

[sour linden]

I have practically every single addon

[sour linden]

Already got it

I have imported an asset before so i have some plugins

And so on

[left gull]

then yeah you should be good to import the GoGo loco package (if you havent already) and add it to the model

[sour linden]

So its just drag and drop?

[left gull]

yep

[alpine badge]

probably a basic question but

i have an ahoge from one hair that id like to add to my avatar. i do it in unity and it works fine, but i want to optimize to reduce mat/texture so im combining in blender

i just ctrl J the mesh and then the armature piece as well, but it loses all physics, the ahoge normally wobbles a bit when i move but it just becomes completely static

[somber sequoia]

not sure what a 'ahoge' is but if it's rigged, after joining the armatures, did you make sure the add-on's bones are under the right parent bone?

[full furnace]

I click the upload button, the PC version uploads, then the quest version goes through all the upload stages, I get logged out of Control Panel and then retuned to it to see this error

[somber sequoia]

oh it's hair, interesting

[alpine badge]

its that little piece of hair that sticks up

[somber sequoia]

only that error?

[full furnace]

Yes

no w8

It means it's avatar aditor?

[alpine badge]

the bones are still all correctly connected, i didnt delete any of its heirarchy, i combined it with the main avatars armature, setting my head bone as parent

[somber sequoia]

good so far - does it move properly in Blender's pose mode?

[alpine badge]

no its just static

moves with my head

[somber sequoia]

ah then you have an issue with weight painting

[alpine badge]

but it doesnt have the same wobble like my hair

[somber sequoia]

possibly bones got renamed different from the mesh's vertex groups when you did the joining

[alpine badge]

someone was telling me ctrl j will mess up weight painting and i shouldnt use it

not sure what the correct process is

[somber sequoia]

it shouldn't

you just have to be aware of bone names potentially changing if they're duplicates

[alpine badge]

na, no dupe names

hmmm