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[balmy plover]

ive been sitting here fiddling with it for an hour and it still wont fix, im not using that tool ever again ill stick to manually smoothing weights if its gonna f up my whole project thanks

[frail temple]

exactly why having 10 backups should be normalized

[balmy plover]

sulks in i ran out of storage and have very little room for backups

[desert elk]

I can't imagine not doing a back up before a big step that could break stuff

[somber sequoia]

same

[frail temple]

i bought a 1tb ssd just for unity

if you're not dying you're not trying

[desert elk]

i also bought an ssd when I started creating avatars more seriously

[frail temple]

@somber sequoia For some reason the video you sent me never talks about creating a new UV Map before the bake?

[somber sequoia]

Did you need a tutorial on that? They already have a UV map that has everything on it

[frail temple]

No no i meant the guy was supposed to show us that you have to create a new duplicate UV map before the bake otherwise the baked textures are just gonna use the old UV map

[somber sequoia]

but that's what he's doing, he already has a single UV map he wants to combine materials into

amusingly, I literally just did that exact thing

unwrapped an object with 4 materials, baked it all into one texture set

If you want a different UV map, set that up first.

[frail temple]

Weird, the video i followed had me create a new UV map before doing it

[somber sequoia]

Sure, that's a perfectly valid thing to do if that's what you need

all this talk of disk space has made me take note that I've got 8% of my main one free, probably should clean some stuff up 🙂

[frail temple]

WinDirStat here i come

[desert elk]

mine has like 10% left

[somber sequoia]

win.... what?

[desert elk]

xd

[somber sequoia]

(I don't use Windows)

[desert elk]

I do, but that's the first time I hear of it

[frail temple]

The storage space app

[desert elk]

never saw it before

[bleak comet]

Its not real

[balmy barn]

room for 3 more m.2's (doubt more then 1 would work , pci-e with 4m.2 but 4+4+4+4 lanes is rare)

[somber sequoia]

I have two m.2's and two spinny drives

[balmy barn]

retired my old ssd/hdds so cousins got those

[frail temple]

Kazin, do i also have to bake the roughness map?

Or is color map only required?

[somber sequoia]

Bake the textures you want to use

feel free to not use any you want 🙂

[desert elk]

woah, that's a lot

[somber sequoia]

(again this is why I use SimpleBake, you set up which things you want to bake and click bake and it does it all)

[frail temple]

i am guessing the roughness map isn't really required for my vrc avatar

[somber sequoia]

up to you

[desert elk]

yeah, up to you

i don't even know what it does

[somber sequoia]

Roughness is the opposite of smoothness. more smooth = more shiny/reflective

[desert elk]

I see

[somber sequoia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_based_rendering

when we say "PBR Materials" this is what is meant

[desert elk]

i see

thank you kazin

[pine valley]

i can't imagine not using version control

[quaint hound]

Does anyone know how to properly texture paint a furry avatar in substance painter? would love some tips n shit 😭
i have like basic idea of substance and I can layer n stuff i just need help with blending and stuff

[slate nimbus]

Does anyone know how to like...properly reduce the or even lower the [123]MB in the SDK on the both warnings on the VRCSDK UNITY?

[quaint hound]

lower your texture res

[desert elk]

texture size

[quaint hound]

^

change res, compression alg, etc

try to find a good point where its not TOO low res but not too high res aswell

[slate nimbus]

i think i did but i only got

[quaint hound]

find a good middle ground

[quaint hound]

anyways ERmmm

Artgfgggg

[slate nimbus]

like smt like this

[quaint hound]

im

[slate nimbus]

textures are kike

[quaint hound]

pretty sure those are quest stats

those are quest stats 💔 are you sure ur uploading on pc?

[bleak comet]

The quest is as powerful as a microwave

[slate nimbus]

im doing it to quest

thats the thing

[quaint hound]

and if ur actually trying to upload a quest avatar you'd need to do more optimization like combining meshes, materials and using atlased textures

which if you never did it good luck 💔

i dont know how myself

[bleak comet]

Pain

[quaint hound]

not really but vrchat is neutering every avatar so you can have 100 of those in one place 💔

[slate nimbus]

can i screen share with sm1?

[bleak comet]

But why

[quaint hound]

so.. you can have 100 different avis in one instance...

because if you didnt know those exist

[pine valley]

the quest headsets can render one heavy avatar just fine

[quaint hound]

ok well

[pine valley]

but they cannot render dozens of them

[quaint hound]

maybe 5

not much more 💔

I wish we could have like

Client and server sided avatars

like LODs

[frail temple]

Second i do Smart uv project on the face alone and go into UV editing, it breaks

[quaint hound]

client (so you) have the full avatar but others on serverside see your avatar as an LOD

but i can only hope for that to exist 💔

its like switching to a automatically generated fallback version at distance

[frail temple]

@somber sequoia I know this is a bit unorthodox, but can you take the model and use the SimpleBake on it? i don't even care if you don't give me the bake after, i just want to see if it's blender removing the pixelized look

[quaint hound]

i think its the fact that

your texture size is increasing from like what.. 32x32 to 256x256

i think somewhere in blender is it upscaling it and blending the pixels

instead of upscaling it without a filter

[frail temple]

I tried going onto 128x128 and it has the same effect

Or it just decimates it

[quaint hound]

i have no clue myself i wish i coudl help you

[frail temple]

I think i've baked this model about 20-30 times now just trying to fix the problem and nothing's working

[quaint hound]

start crying maybe the gods above will let it work the next time

[frail temple]

already did, the gods didn't respond and instead crashed my project and corrupted it

thankfully i had 200 backups in the next folder

[pine valley]

so what's going on here?

[bleak comet]

F

[frail temple]

Left is unbaked (42 material slots) , Right is baked

[pine valley]

and you're trying to bake the entire material into a single texture in Blender?

ah, no, you're combining materials, right

[frail temple]

Face and body are seperate

Face is 5 material slots, baked into 1, the pixelated look is completely gone

[pine valley]

The tricky thing here is that the pixel grid of the combined texture isn't going to align with the pixels of the original textures

[frail temple]

I've seen one avatar achieve this look while maintaining 1 material slot, and he isn't responding to any messages

[balmy barn]

change your texture setting in unity or you get the blurryness

[pine valley]

it's already using point filtering

[balmy barn]

no point filtering for low resolution stuff

[frail temple]

Already did, no change on baked one

[pine valley]

This seems like a good place to make a single large atlas. You'd make a single texture out of all of the small textures, and then you'd move and rescale the UV islands accordingly

I haven't done something like this before

[slate nimbus]

ALSO...

[balmy barn]

dont use these on low resolution stuff or you end up with a blobby mess

[pine valley]

i think you mean to use those settings

[balmy barn]

default isnt that

[pine valley]

if you use bilinear filtering, the color will be linearly blended from pixel to pixel

which is wrong

you want point filtering, which just gives you the closest pixel's color

[balmy barn]

turns it into garbage on low resoltion

[pine valley]

and setting "non-power of 2" to "None" prevents Unity from rescaling the texture to a power-of-two resolution

which would also screw up pixel art

[quaint hound]

i think he knows this

[frail temple]

Yeah those work great but for some reason the second i bake the textures it's like compression is being forced

[quaint hound]

considering he uses these settings on his original textures

so

we get it 💔

[pine valley]

it's because the baked texture is already smooth-looking

[slate nimbus]

I WANNA ADD A NAME TAG LIKE the vrc one that stays upright and ffoolloowwss your eye look

[quaint hound]

^

[slate nimbus]

how?

[pine valley]

I don't think this should be done via baking at all

[quaint hound]

texture atlasing imo

[pine valley]

Yep, bingo

[quaint hound]

i dont know why we're even baking

why are we creating a new texture when we can just

[pine valley]

The only wrinkle is that atlasing systems might not respect your pixel grid

[quaint hound]

combine all of them into 1 setting

[pine valley]

since they're expecting you to be doing "normal" textures

[frail temple]

i am gonna be honest i thought texture atlasing and texture baking were the same thing

[foggy oracle]

so i have an avatar that isnt mine and for some reason it says its quest compatible but isnt. I have quest compatible avatars that are larger but quest people can still see them i dont know whats wrong im fighting for my life rn please help.

[pine valley]

Atlasing is just mashing a bunch of small things into a large thing

[quaint hound]

texture atlasing is "sewing" all your textures into 1 big texture

[pine valley]

Baking captures what an object looks like and stores that in a texture

[quaint hound]

^

[lucid rapids]

someone knows why i can't change the material while recording animation ?

[spark walrus]

uhmm..... I unable to upload my avatar...? the heck?

[quaint hound]

you bake high poly meshes so you have a texture that preserves the detail of the high poly and then apply that texture on a lowpoly model.. boom u have detail and save a bunch of space

[pine valley]

navigate to the SkinnedMeshRenderer and try assigning the material in the inspector

i dunno what the problem is here, though

[slate nimbus]

???????????????????????????

[lucid rapids]

i will try

[frail temple]

I see, do you have a tutorial for this? most videos i am seeing are just putting the word atlas and bake in the same sentence on youtube

[timber wharf]

atlasing is combining bunch of textures next to each other. baking is sampling textured model to get optimised texture.

[spark walrus]

like anyone? - Can't upload my avi despite not even having any problems

[frail temple]

ran into this problem, duplicated my avatar project to another and it somehow worked

that or restarting unity

[spark walrus]

sure, doesn't hurt to re-start

[timber wharf]

atlasing is loseless while baking always comes with loss of quality, tho when baking from bunch of 4k textutes into single 2k should be perfectly fine

[spark walrus]

I did import assets that wasn't playing well with unity - and builder didn't even give any issue reviews

[frail temple]

You have a video demonstrating how to do texture atlasing? i legit can't find an actual one that doesn't involve baking lol

[quaint hound]

does anyone know the best way to recreate this type of fur blending? im relatively new to substance painter and have no clu..

[somber sequoia]

I agree with the rest of the discussion but just want to note that SimpleBake just automates the process, it doesn't do anything differently than manual baking in Blender.

[timber wharf]

@frail temple nah, no idea. but for vrc people mostly use mat combiner plugin that comes with CATS plugin

[frail temple]

Oh yeah, i tried using Mat Combiner but it just breaks it

[somber sequoia]

there's a decent fur brush I got at one point, it's a bit of work to set up and a learning curve but does a decent job of faking fur via normal map

[quaint hound]

id rather like

just do color map

[lucid rapids]

[quaint hound]

i only want a very light normal map

i dont want those that like make fur look like tree bark

[timber wharf]

@frail temple could be random names for uv maps. did you use mat combinet itself and not optimise button in cats?

[somber sequoia]

that should be pretty easy then?

[somber sequoia]

which part of this do you mean, the edge between colors?

I guess I was referring to the texture on the darker color

[spark walrus]

Floff - the assest broke my file and I didn't have new backups 🤦‍♂️

the console keeps now giving this warming

any ways to fix this?

[quaint hound]

the white fur "overlapping" the orange one

[somber sequoia]

if that is not the very first error message in the console, paste the very first 2-3 instead.

[quaint hound]

the blending between those

the transition

idk what to call it

[somber sequoia]

Got it, yeah that's probably painted manually

[quaint hound]

FUCK.

i cant dra

[frail temple]

befriend an artist and mooch off him instead

[quaint hound]

do you know how i can make a paint stroke go "through" the mesh? im trying to draw a line around an arm

[somber sequoia]

through?

[quaint hound]

ok well. a hoodie arm but like ya

[somber sequoia]

oh like on both front and back at once?

[quaint hound]

yes

.

Exactly

[somber sequoia]

hmm, I almost never want that

[quaint hound]

im trying to make stripes on the hoodi

[spark walrus]

this ones?

[somber sequoia]

that first one seems like a big issue

[quaint hound]

your attempt at censorship is. Ahem. Lower than average

[spark walrus]

so no ways to salvage it?

[somber sequoia]

there's always ways to salvage it but I have no idea what's going on from just that error message alone

[spark walrus]

I imported an assest that didn't have proper installer that it suppose to have - I tried manually adding the asset by dropping it into the hierarchy since the stuff seemed to be prefab -> going to play-mode to test must have been to moment to brake it

deleting the assest from avi and project didn't fix anything

[somber sequoia]

I'd probably start by restarting unity

[quaint hound]

mirror filter on substance sucks ass noted

[spark walrus]

already did that - didn't help -.-'

[somber sequoia]

dunno, I find it works pretty okay in most cases, so long as you set the mirror point where you need it

[quaint hound]

mirror filter

[somber sequoia]

do you still have the same error?

oh

[quaint hound]

not the mirror setting in the viewport thing

[somber sequoia]

filter

[quaint hound]

i assume because it does it based on the uhhh

[somber sequoia]

eye kan reed.

[quaint hound]

texture

and not actually the model

I genuinely dont understand

why you cant mirror on 2 axis??

YAY. what do i do now

how the fuck do i get it to.

the other side 😭

[spark walrus]

yes - it keeps asking about the missing layer in FX-controller

[somber sequoia]

you could be painting on a paint layer under your mask, then duplicate it and flip it

[spark walrus]

despite I deleted the assest file from the project

[somber sequoia]

did the asset come with some scripts or something are still active? It's really hard to know what to suggest from here

[spark walrus]

the test run must have inserted something into FX - yeah... that's my guess, but I don't know how I can remove it, or if I can now -.-

think I'm done trying to fix this tonight anyways

such a headache

[somber sequoia]

you can look in your FX layer but I suspect there's some rogue editor script there. If you re-add the .unitypackage but don't confirm, you can see which files it wants to add, then go make sure you actually deleted them all

[spark walrus]

I'm not even sure how to access that

[somber sequoia]

the same way you add the unitypackage the first time

from memory (I dont have unity open) asset -> import -> custom package -> select package, and then it'll show you what files are in there

[pine valley]

I'm not sure how you'd wind up losing the state machine

Each AnimatorControllerLayer has an AnimatorStateMachine, which is what actually contains the animator states

[spark walrus]

I already did that? - I re-imported the assest, but it's not doing anything

[pine valley]

One possibility is that you have an editor script that is generating an animator controller, but is failing to save the state machine correctly. That would cause it to go missing after an editor restart.

Bit of a long shot

[somber sequoia]

I didn't say to re-import, I said to look at the list of files it wants to import and make sure you deleted them all when you want to remove it

[somber sequoia]

Exactly what I'm thinking

[pine valley]

I've done this to myself repeatedly

💥

[quaint hound]

im gonna rip my hair out bro

[spark walrus]

I also deleted the files in the project? ?? I'm lost

[somber sequoia]

Okay

[pine valley]

If you've deleted the assets, but the asset import window says there is nothing to import, then those assets never came from the package in the first place.

[spark walrus]

no it says, it can't find missing layers

followed by non-ending list of

[pine valley]

Does this mean that you:

• Deleted the original animator controller
• Reimported the package, thus adding the controller back to your project
• Continued to get errors

I don't understand what you've actually done here.

[spark walrus]

did this

[pine valley]

Does this mean that the prefab is installed with VRCFury? Just adding a prefab to your hierarchy would do nothing on its own.

[spark walrus]

it wasnt? I suppose to, but Idk tbh

[pine valley]

I don't know what that means

How is it supposed to be installed?

[spark walrus]

according to the manual, importing creates a installation tool in CC

which it didn't

[somber sequoia]

.. in VCC?

[pine valley]

i wouldn't expect importing a package to automatically add a listing to your creator companion

[somber sequoia]

yeah, I don't see how or why you'd do that with a Unity package.

[spark walrus]

idk, I'm just following the manual 🙃

[pine valley]

is the manual publicly available?

[spark walrus]

no, it came with the assest

[gloomy flint]

you go to VRCFury's github and you scroll down to see the button that says 'add to VRCC' and it adds it as a package to your creator companion that you can put on any project

[pine valley]

also, I would make sure that this isn't just an error caused by the Animator window trying to display a now-deleted asset

[frail temple]

When i do the atlas, this happens

[pine valley]

close the Animator window and then reopen it by double-clicking a controller

[gloomy flint]

tiny,,,

[night ember]

I mean that be an atlas

[pine valley]

you'll want to atlas them into a relatively large texture

[frail temple]

The top head texture and Lower neck texture is missing

[pine valley]

if each source image is 64x64, the atlas might wind up being 512x512 or 1024x1024

[gloomy flint]

i bet that image tastes like a playstation 1

[frail temple]

Hold on, let me post a vid

[spark walrus]

did that - nothing changed

but I'm done for tonight

[frail temple]

watch last 5 seconds for TL:DR

more like 10 last seconds

[night ember]

I usually just manually make the atlas

but if its just missing a part of the texture then open the atlas already made and the hair texture and just stick it onto the atlas image

[frail temple]

What program do i use to achieve that

[quaint hound]

diven do you have any idea of substance painter 💔

[night ember]

any image editing program?

[timber wharf]

with default settings mat combiner does not downscale the textures

so, how, why, etc

[quaint hound]

@somber sequoia i did those lines by using uhh paths

paths seem to actually. Be pretty useful

[somber sequoia]

paths are awesome

[quaint hound]

yay

we r cokang..

[somber sequoia]

lookin' good!

[quaint hound]

they r

[compact dust]

hi kazin

[frail temple]

Success?

[compact dust]

guh

[frail temple]

Before atlas / after atlas

I am guessing this is a blender rendering thing and it'll look exactly the same in unity?

[timber wharf]

what

like uuuuh how lowres it was to begin with

[frail temple]

16x32

[timber wharf]

oof

you just want to set filtering on texture to none in unity for crisp pixels rather that smooth mess

[frail temple]

fingers crossed this is a blender rendering thing and it won't look like it was covered in vaseline on unity like it did with baking

[timber wharf]

ye baking wont work for lowres stuff, its meant to bring down waaaay too HQ stuff to some reasonable values.

where reasonable vaules being 1-2k

[compact dust]

💀

[frail temple]

Is it normal for transparent textures to just disappear when atlasing?

Eh, i'll just keep the transparent textures seperate or bake them

[cyan torrent]

Say I want my movement to be tied to WASD/thumbstick instead of Velocity X and Z, what are the parameter for those?

[compact dust]

isnt it already?

[cyan torrent]

no its not

Oh I mean Animation

[compact dust]

spaghetti

[cyan torrent]

I checked the ingame blendtree and animation decided by your velocity rather than input

[somber sequoia]

The animator does not have access to raw stick inputs (edit: clarified)

[cyan torrent]

aw

[willow carbon]

when entering animation preview, sometimes a specific asset (an armature linked to my main armature with modular avatar) breaks, and then entering into play mode for testing results in this.
does anyone know why this happens?

the past few times it didn't happen

[cosmic ruin]

are you sure the outfit is linked with MA? If the bones match it should work

[willow carbon]

yeah should be

should i just try to relink it and see if it fixes it?

[cosmic ruin]

try relink and maybe bake avatar?

baked avatar is lighter as well

[willow carbon]

thanks

[cosmic ruin]

im not on my computer so i cant help you more...

[willow carbon]

basically seems like the hips bone on that outfit remained up

maybe just reimport armature

[cosmic ruin]

damn

did you properly buy Anri on booth?

if it's a pirated copy it might be bugged

try reimporting the avatar

[willow carbon]

I have yeah

but i didn't reimport/update to latest ver

too lazy at the time and all stuff worked well

this is the first outfit that just blows up suddenly

[cosmic ruin]

hm :( i dont have anri, only ash and shinra

[willow carbon]

no worries

[cosmic ruin]

as long as it works in vrchat... :')

[willow carbon]

i could just reimport the armature, and copy the transforms to the one that bugged

to fix it back to its original positions

[willow carbon]

voila, copy pasting the transforms fixed it completely lmao

[barren tundra]

I got a weird issue with a material. Same material is used for pants and shirt. However it doesnt change the shirt despite the animation working if I preview it.

[cosmic ruin]

amazing!! good job!!

[wooden zinc]

hey what does project path that's too long mean?

and how do i fix it?

[placid idol]

SOS my face expressions are not working and I tried fixing them like 7-8 times

[cyan torrent]

I just met my friend and their tail react to me just putting my hand on them (not grab), how do I replicate that effect for my avatar?

as in making bone collide with other player without grab ig, dunno how that work, just guessed

[balmy barn]

VRCContactReceiver detect someones hand do stuff

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/contacts/#vrccontactreceiver

collison tag [ hand ]

[cyan torrent]

oh thanks

[stable isle]

heya, does anyone have experience with poiyomi's panosphere uv?

for some reason, the texture is different between the two eyes in vr, and is causing some major headaches for me and others.

I've been testing stuff for like 7 hours, with nothing really working. If someone has a way to fix this, i'd love to try it!

[main copper]

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[stray trench]

how can i locate this? clicking on it doesnt take me to its location

[somber sequoia]

can you clip that less so we can get more of an idea where this option is?

[stray trench]

its thrys vram performance tool

[somber sequoia]

ahh

[stray trench]

it's to do with face tracking but i cant find it anywhere in my project

[somber sequoia]

better pic, thanks. But yeah, clicking there has worked for me in the past

[stray trench]

it works for everything else

[somber sequoia]

huh

buried inside a prefab perhaps

[balmy barn]

guessing its one of those 'data' textures for a certain old shader , its in the shader setting - you have to find it manually

[somber sequoia]

yeah

[stray trench]

like in here?

[balmy barn]

remake the material and only attach that image

[stable isle]

heya, anyone able to help with this?

[stray trench]

i dont know what material its on

[untold minnow]

im trying to automatic weightpaint but I get this error, how do I fix this?

[somber sequoia]

probably do it manually for that bone

[untold minnow]

im trynna automatic weight paint for everybone

I was doin it cause I dont wanna go through the tedious process of manually wp every bone

[somber sequoia]

I haven't seen a case yet where automatic anything weight painting did not require at least some touch-up

maybe you'll get lucky though

[untold minnow]

real

it always does

but normally its just simple

[winter edge]

with vrcfury how can I turn a blendshape off when a toggle is on?

[round comet]

Yes

There is a blendshape option you can add

[winter edge]

yeah but how can I set the value to 0 when on and 100 when off

[rancid anvil]

Is it possible to pose fingers for a toggle with a humanoid rig?

[twilit canyon]

what are the honorable rules on using other skins as bases if there is no word on if from the author? I remember Minecraft Skins have a thing where most people have a "Personal Edits Only" thing where you can edit but not distribute payed and FTU skins.

(please ping when replying)

[somber sequoia]

Definitely. But you'd want to do this in the gesture animator, and probably use VRC Animator Tracking Control to disable IK moving the hand while you animate it

[rancid anvil]

Gesture animator?

[somber sequoia]

you know, playable layers. base, action, gesture, fx...

[rancid anvil]

Where can I find vrc animator tracking control?

[somber sequoia]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-tracking-control

[rancid anvil]

What do I do when I activate the toggle the other hand don't move?

[left gull]

other skins as in pulling apart a model to use the base?

[twilit canyon]

ye

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what you have setup so I really couldn't tell you

[left gull]

if it isnt specified in the avatar page's description look if the creator has a general TOS if theres nothing then id say its safer not to especially if the model is using a P2U base with commercial rights

you could get hit with a DMCA claim on your account since you dont actually own the base that'd be used

[twilit canyon]

thx m8

[rancid anvil]

Had made the hand pose toggle in the gesture animator

[snow goblet]

really super quick question
how do i release the bicycle pose after messing with an animation

nevermind, just tapped another animation clip and it stopped

[night ember]

just stop previewing the animation

[bleak comet]

Having a small issue with my model, the mouth doesnt seem to show up in vrchat and talking has no animation, along with the wings being stiffer than a board

[left gull]

make sure you setup your mouth properly in the avatar descriptor and check the phybone settings on your wings (if you have the script on them at all, if you dont then you'll need to add the script)

[bleak comet]

So where do i check the mouth setup in avatar descriptor?

Lip sync?

[left gull]

yeah, select your model in the heirarchy and see if you have anything setup under LipSync

[bleak comet]

It was just on default

I tried doing auto detect but uh

It went to jaw flap bend shape, then tried to select the eyeballs for the face

[left gull]

well what way are you trying to setup the viesemes, theres several options that all have very different setups/requirements

[bleak comet]

Huh

Sorry im new to this stuff so

No clue what viesemes means

The other models seem to use viseme blend shape, and the face mesh is the head?

But i dont think they use the same base

[left gull]

err i suggest looking up how to setup Blenshape/shapekey viesemes or just a basic guide on creating your own models

[bleak comet]

Pain

like would this be fine orrrr

[left gull]

that should work though if they're seperated like you said theres a chance it might not/show up messed up

you could check with gesture manager

[bleak comet]

maybe cause on default the mouth just doesnt show up

[bleak comet]

oh how could i do it with gesture manager

i have it on this project

[left gull]

find the gesture manager folder>drag the prefab into scene>go into playmode>in one of the menus settings there should be a section to test mouth shapekeys

it'll be a radial

[bleak comet]

Huh

Viseme?

cause if so it doesnt do nothin atm

[left gull]

none of the radial's wheel effects the face at all?

[bleak comet]

Correct

So maybe i selected the wrong thing in the lip sync?

The auto detected one doesnt work either

Okay got it

Mouths working now yippie

Had to relabel the face so i could select the proper one

Next is wings

Do i gotta check out if its rigged in the fbx?

[left gull]

yep, if it isnt then you'll need to take the model to blender and add your own+weightpaint it

[bleak comet]

Where would i check in the fbx

The configure?

Okay say there are bones it looks like

How do i get the wings to be animated?

Where would i link them?

Confusion

Upper chest maybe??

Nope

The rig got really angry at me

Same for the tail

Dont know where to link up the bones

Would i have to change its model type to non humanoid?

Nope that didnt work

They are supposed to use physbones

But still have no weight and dont move

And whats weird is the tail has bones too but is attached pbysically fo the body so i can specifically add bones to it

Im so confused

[plucky wolf]

hello everyone i have a problem
i am pritty new of avatar making
and i have a problem with a material toggle
everytime i try to create a new animation and drag the amterial on my avatar
nothing happens and the error coms with

InvalidOperationException: Cannot revert overriden properties in Animation Mode.
UnityEditor.PrefabUtility.WarnIfInAnimationMode (UnityEditor.PrefabUtility+OverrideOperation overrideOperation, UnityEditor.InteractionMode action) (at <80a8ce1980c648dca8e68f0d8aa3b930>:0)

dos someone know what the problem is

[dawn cave]

how can i fix this?

[still shuttle]

Configure your avatar and map the bones properly

Click on ur fx and hit configure

Then make sure everything is mapped right

[dawn cave]

everything looks fine to me

do the shoulders have to be below upper chest?

[desert elk]

if you have an upper chest, shoulders and neck should be it's children

like here

[dawn cave]

i'm still having trouble seeing whats wrong and what to do

[desert elk]

ot looks like you have way too many bones

the chest area can have maximum 4 bones
hips, spine, chest, upper chest
it looks like you have 8(?)

[dawn cave]

should i limit the bones?

[desert elk]

most definitely

[dawn cave]

how many?

[mental estuary]

Pretty sure spine.004 is neck, and spine.005 is head

[desert elk]

I'm also not sure what "rig is"

do you have two armatures?

[dawn cave]

i dont know either

[desert elk]

oh could be

I didn't think of that

[mental estuary]

It's just named weirdly

[desert elk]

@dawn cave Could you send a screenshot of the whole armature expanded?

[dawn cave]

blender or unity

[desert elk]

unity

not cut like you did

the whole thing

[desert elk]

not this, the hierarchy

[desert elk]

like I did here

[desert elk]

why two armatures? what's that rig thing?

you only need one armature

you need to fix that first

[desert elk]

exactly

you can't have two

it looks like rig is the one assigned to your mesh

but make sure and delete the one that's not weight painted

or merge them together

you need one armature

[dawn cave]

i deleted one

should i try again?

[desert elk]

it looks a bit messy from the unity screenshots. It has a lot of bones that in my opinion aren't needed, but I don't really know how your avatar works

you could try

I gotta go now

bye bye

[dawn cave]

bye

[inland seal]

What is the correct way to Export avatars from Blender without breaking them?

[timber wharf]

scaling - fbx all, and disable leaf bones. should be enough?

[inland seal]

alr thx

[dawn cave]

got it working-ish just need to fix the eyehight now. how do i do that?

[desert elk]

view point

in the avatar descriptor

[dawn cave]

how do i get there?

[desert elk]

you added an avatar descriptor

you should know where it is

click on your avatar in the hierarchy

the descriptor is in the inspector

[dawn cave]

sorry, this is my first time ever making a avatar. anyways its complete! thanks a lot for the help

[bleak comet]

Eliiii

[desert elk]

me

[bleak comet]

Uh

How do i get my wings and tail animated

They have bones

The tails built into the body mesh btw*

[desert elk]

if you mean moving like hair does, phsybones, if you want it wagging or flapping even when you're standing still you'll need to make an animation (I don't know how, cause I've never done it)

[bleak comet]

Just physbones

[desert elk]

so add phsybones

[bleak comet]

Idk how to add them

Is it the script

[desert elk]

click on the main bone of the tail, in the inspector add component, pick physbone

same with wings

[bleak comet]

In the rig im guessing

[desert elk]

obv mess with the settings so they move how you want and don't clip

[desert elk]

yeah, the armature

[bleak comet]

I mean like the uh

Fbx

[bleak comet]

Speaking of clipping

How do i get the hair to not clip into the back of the body?

[desert elk]

add a collider to the spine or chest, size it to fit

and add the collider to the phsybone component

[bleak comet]

Ohh where do i do that

also uh is this where i add phys bones or on the actual model?

[desert elk]

same place as physbones, just search physbone collider

[bleak comet]

Ah okay ty

[desert elk]

don't right click

left flick

[bleak comet]

?

[desert elk]

and exit that rig configure menu

that's not how you add physbones

[bleak comet]

Okay

On the armature?

[desert elk]

https://youtu.be/PTTnWUkswkU?si=_fcV3VlG-jWaB7QD

[bleak comet]

Ahhh

I figured that out okay next is wings

[desert elk]

https://youtu.be/pT6wO01dwTU?si=iAnso8GJktlBCzq7

you're better off watching a tutorial

[bleak comet]

Would i put the physbones on the back or wings

[desert elk]

physbones + colliders

[bleak comet]

Ah wings

[desert elk]

yes

[bleak comet]

Question

Do i add physbones to the hair?

hmmm

[desert elk]

add them to the head bone (cause if you have hair bones, they're probably children of the head)

[bleak comet]

yeah but they arent labeled hair bones

like

[desert elk]

I'm guessing "hair root" has hair bones as children

[bleak comet]

using a tip from a videa to have them under a seperate thing called (whatever bone) child

then what is the wisps

[desert elk]

root is usually the first bone in a chain

[bleak comet]

it came with the hair

[desert elk]

I don't know 🤷 I've never heard that term before

[bleak comet]

okay yeah it is the hair root

but uh the hairs still clipping through the wings and back

[quaint hound]

you need to make the wings and back a collider

[bleak comet]

so do i put the collider on the hair or the chest?

[desert elk]

set colliders or play around with the limit settings

[quaint hound]

im not sure what the best way to add colliders is

[quaint hound]

eli can u tell :p

[bleak comet]

am i stoopid

im supposed to put the wings in the root transform arent i

[quaint hound]

Yes

[bleak comet]

for the wings collider

[quaint hound]

U r

[bleak comet]

p ain

[quaint hound]

Im pretty sure atleast

[desert elk]

you're supposed to put the collider on the bone that it clips through

[quaint hound]

Yah

[desert elk]

you're saying that it clips on the back so put it on the back

[bleak comet]

yeah its still clippin

through the wings too tho

[desert elk]

did you put the bone in the phsybone as a collider?

please watch a phsybone tutorial

[quaint hound]

w... wha

[desert elk]

cause if you don't do that the collider does nothithing

[quaint hound]

i swear to god ive looked at physbones quite alot and ive never heard of thst

[desert elk]

there's a thing in the phsybone script called colliders

[bleak comet]

this is for the chest btw

[desert elk]

you need to drag the bone that has the collider to the collider spot

could you please watch any tutorial

[quaint hound]

u should probably actually like edit the collider to actually fit the chest

[bleak comet]

i tried finding one but they seemed confusing

[quaint hound]

I think

[desert elk]

exactly

[quaint hound]

also make sure you have gizmo display turned on

[bleak comet]

confusing

[quaint hound]

Im at school so I cant show you a picture

[desert elk]

that's why you should focus and watch a tutorial

[quaint hound]

how is that confusing

[bleak comet]

like i mean adjusting

hmm

[quaint hound]

maybe change the shape

[desert elk]

https://youtu.be/DyY6VFjOMz8?si=NVEJUSh9Zay9DV1D

I learned a lot from this tutorial

[bleak comet]

oh god

[quaint hound]

to pill (or whatever its called) (if they have that)

[desert elk]

if you look at the phsybone script you have X y z there

mess with it

now you made it gigantic

[desert elk]

I linked three tutorials so far

[quaint hound]

you know its hard not seeing what you are doing real time

[bleak comet]

i have capsule

[desert elk]

if you watch this one you will get a better understanding of how physbones work

[quaint hound]

capsules the right one

[bleak comet]

im looking at the vid

[quaint hound]

i like

[desert elk]

I'm gonna go back to class now

bye bye

[quaint hound]

im so sorry but physbones r so

Self explanatory

[desert elk]

yeah

[quaint hound]

its not hard 😭

[desert elk]

I just have a preset I use for every avatar tbh xd

[quaint hound]

if u look at both components

[quaint hound]

Gib.

:3

[desert elk]

I set it up how I want it to be and it works for what I like

haha

I don't have my laptop with me in class xd

[quaint hound]

sob

[bleak comet]

wdym its not that hard

ive never messed with them before

this is my first time making an avi like bruh

[desert elk]

we understand

but we are also saying it's not that hard if you actually take the time to learn and watch a tutorial/read a guide

[bleak comet]

its faster to just have someone explain it to me no???

[desert elk]

that's what videos are for

I do not have the time to explain every single thing

the video does it for me

so I'm just gonna link it

besides the video has images which I cannot provide

[bleak comet]

mhmm

so i got to the collider part

and even with adding proper colliders and bones the hairs still clipping so unless it doesnt register in paused unity then im doing something wrong

for the colliders i have the wings and hair not wanting to touch each other

the back doesnt have phys bones so f

[desert elk]

enter playmode

phsybone settings don't show up in normal mode

[bleak comet]

oh god

[desert elk]

it's working a bit too well xD

btw any changes you make in playmode will not be saved

so if you wanna edit the properties, exit playmode

or edit the properties in playmode and copy and paste them

[bleak comet]

okay this works well

just changed a limiter

now the wings are depressed

Maybe no coliders for them would be fine

I think thats all good now

W

Thanks for the help yippie

Next big hurdle is gonna be clothing

And the fucking claws/fingers

The pinky always is broken

Mightve fixed it by changing it from pinky to ring finger for the last finger (since it only has 3 on each hand)

Oh right

One last thing

I like the look of the standard shader but wanna use poiyomi pro

before poiyomi

after poiyomi pro

aka the power of the sun has hit this thing

[desert elk]

mess with the settings

[bleak comet]

I think that just crashed my unity

[desert elk]

idk how poiyomi works but you should be able to make it less light

[bleak comet]

Nope okay

Oh god theres so many settings

[desert elk]

yup

that's why I use a simpler shader hah

[bleak comet]

Which one

Is poiyomi even worth using tbh

[desert elk]

it's popular

it's handy if you wanna do hue shift

or some fancy stuff

I don't do things like that so I use a simpler shader

[bleak comet]

Fair fair

[desert elk]

shaders are cosmetics, you use what you think is good for your model

[bleak comet]

Yeah

Im just not sure how itll look in worlds

(Which is why i have a prefab that makes it always have the same shading regardless of world but ill add that later)

[desert elk]

Can you link it to me? 👀 sounds nice

[bleak comet]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

lemme see if i can find it

https://arkhype.gumroad.com/l/LightingSliders?layout=profile&recommended_by=library

[bleak comet]

there yah go eli

its freeee

[still shuttle]

I'm pretty good with poiomi imo
One of my favorite parts of making avatars is setting up the materials

[desert elk]

ah poi and vrcf

nevermind xd

but thank you anyways <3

[desert elk]

woah, I just set the same thing for all of my models

[rancid anvil]

Anyone know how to fix this?
then i activate one of my hand toggle the other hand gestures lock in place

[bleak comet]

fair

[bleak comet]

could you help me set up mine to look like the standard shader?

[still shuttle]

If you want it less bright, I'd say mess with the settings under the shading tab. I personally like setting it to multi layer math instead of flat, it gives some nice shadows
But it all depends on the look you're going for! Best way to learn poiomi is to mess with everything until it starts making sense pretty much. There may also be tutorials online but I'm not sure

[bleak comet]

this is what i have rn but its still not like good enough has no darkness/shading to it

[bleak comet]

multi layer you say

[still shuttle]

Yesss

Here's an example of how I get my materials to look

[bleak comet]

okay yeah this is yummy

i only messed with the body

[still shuttle]

I use multi layer math, inverted rim lighting to get the more shiny look and also normal darker rim lighting to make shadows pop +environment rim lighting

[bleak comet]

okay yeah this is good

[bleak comet]

dark rim lighting?

where do i find that

or just rim lighting in general

[still shuttle]

Yess look through the material you'll find settings for rim lighting, I can't exactly remember where it's at

[bleak comet]

ah rim lighting

[still shuttle]

You can change the color of it and stuff, I set the rim lighting to multiply if I want it dark

[bleak comet]

not enviromental right?

[still shuttle]

And then make it gray or black

I use that too

But it depends on what you want lol I think it looks nice

[bleak comet]

okay so i tried rim lighting

rn with just white and off its very shiny

for the hair

[still shuttle]

Yeah you gotta mess with the settings

[bleak comet]

black is nice

[still shuttle]

Yess I think it makes everything come together better

And I do inverted white rim lighting if I want it to look shiny ✨️ just gotta mess with the settings till you get it the way you want it

[bleak comet]

these settings dont seem to

do anything actually

[regal mango]

Heya, could i have some help with setting up my avatar? I've been struggling for half a year and can't figure out how to get it from blender to unity with all the colors on it. I would appreciate it so much. ;0;

[bleak comet]

ive tried messing with them

but alas

0 changes

even with multiply on

instead of additive

[still shuttle]

You gotta make the materials and add textures in unity

[still shuttle]

Send me a screenshot of the settings

[bleak comet]

lmao my discord crashed for a moment

[frail temple]

How do i replace the standing animation so the hands dont look awkward here?

[bleak comet]

ocelot W

[still shuttle]

Oh you're using poiomi pro, it's set up differently than poiomi toon

I use poiomi toon

[bleak comet]

pro just gives you more options

the shader is still using toons shading style

[still shuttle]

Yeah, but I use toon cuz I sell my avis and toon is free

[bleak comet]

ah

this is a personal avi

[still shuttle]

But the rim lighting there, the settings are set up differently than they are with toon and it kinda confuses me lmao

[bleak comet]

if I ever do sell avis itll be toon ofc

[bleak comet]

pain

this is toon

this is pro

[still shuttle]

Weird that's not what it looks like for me

[bleak comet]

its 8.1 toon since thats the latest

[still shuttle]

I'll have to boot up my PC I may be misremembering

[bleak comet]

maybe lmao

[still shuttle]

I use the vcc poiomi

[bleak comet]

ah

[still shuttle]

I swear I remember it bein set up different but honestly I may be wrong imma load up a project and look at my settings rq

[bleak comet]

tyty

[regal mango]

oh no, i have the textures. i'm just so confused as to how in the world they are supposed to go on the avatar

[bleak comet]

oh oh i think ik this one

in unity

[still shuttle]

You gotta make the material in unity and put the texture in the material

[bleak comet]

ye

[still shuttle]

Then put the material on the avi

[bleak comet]

yeppers

then shade it via dying

[regal mango]

how do you do that?

[bleak comet]

do what exactly

create a new material?

put the texture on the material?

[regal mango]

yeah that

i don't know what i'm doing

[bleak comet]

right click in unity in assets

create and then material

[regal mango]

ohhhhhhhh

[still shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBVNSNq7ops&t=2s

[bleak comet]

this works too

lmao

[regal mango]

thank you!

[bleak comet]

Yeppers

[still shuttle]

my poiomi had an update

[quaint hound]

hey um what type of file is this?

[bleak comet]

LMAO

[quaint hound]

is that a zip?

[regal mango]

yes

[bleak comet]

its a zop, knock off zip frfr

[quaint hound]

thats

a weird zip file

[desert elk]

extract it first...

[quaint hound]

r u sure its a .zip?

[bleak comet]

winrar

[bleak comet]

that too

[quaint hound]

actually nvm. a unityproject looks encrypted n shit

thats still weird

[bleak comet]

lmao

[desert elk]

I've got no idea what I'm looking at with it cut up like this cd

xd

[quaint hound]

i think thats literally a unity project folder just zipped up

[desert elk]

woa, I don't remember the last time I used that

[quaint hound]

unzip that folder and load it into unity 😭

[bleak comet]

ancient magic ik

[desert elk]

I just use the built in windows one now

[regal mango]

It's old sims 2 sorcery

[bleak comet]

samew

[bleak comet]

sims 2 is so wacky

[desert elk]

I've never played it

[bleak comet]

sims 4 is just cursed

in the worst ways

[desert elk]

I like it :)

[bleak comet]

microtransaction hell

so many dlcs

for things that should just be features

[regal mango]

once you do, you don't go back from winrar

[desert elk]

that's the only downside

[bleak comet]

i have

[quaint hound]

winrar sucks im sorry

7z ftw

[bleak comet]

bruh

thats also bad

[desert elk]

I got annoyed af at the constant adds

[bleak comet]

just use the default windows one

[desert elk]

so I deleted it

never went back again

used 7z for a while

[bleak comet]

we are getting off topic

[desert elk]

now I just use the windows one

[bleak comet]

rah

[desert elk]

xdd

yup

[bleak comet]

waiting on cosmo

unity takes forever to boot so

[still shuttle]

mk yeah mine is just slightly different

[bleak comet]

i understand

[bleak comet]

oh god

thats weird

mini tabs

mine might be outta date tho

i havent updated mine in a bit

[quaint hound]

Winrar sucks
7z best
Windows is. Average

[bleak comet]

yeah im a few versions behind on my poiyomi

is there a way to easily remove poiyomi?

or can i just import the new version

over the old one

[frail temple]

anyone know how to do this?

[still shuttle]

are you using gogo loco?

[frail temple]

Yeah

[still shuttle]

it's a little hard but you'll have to change the animation in the locomotion controllers
Im not 100% certain how to do it, its a little tricky

[quaint hound]

im pretty sure you can copy the default loc controllers frm the sdk

edit from here

[inland seal]

Does anyone know how I can connect these 2 parts?

Like fill the gaps

[still shuttle]

im assuming you'd change it here
you'd need ur preffered anim tho

[still shuttle]

alt select the 2 edges you want to fill together, right click and there should be a fill option

[inland seal]

I need to do that 100 times?

[still shuttle]

nope

[inland seal]

Since theres a lot of them

Ah

Ok ill try

[still shuttle]

alt selecting the edge should select the whole cirlce

[inland seal]

mkay

:0

Uhh ;D

A little wrong

@still shuttle

[still shuttle]

thats odd one sec

[inland seal]

👍

Is it because its 2 separate models?

[still shuttle]

uh nooo do you have an option for "loop tools" when you right click? like this

[still shuttle]

it might be honestly if you cant edit them at the same time but from the screenshot it looked like they where on the same model

[quaint hound]

go into edit > preferences > addons > get looptools

easy

[still shuttle]

i forgot it was an addon LMAOO

yeah do that

and then you can bridge them together

[quaint hound]

i heart looptools

my favorite gender

[still shuttle]

so true

[inland seal]

Its not easy when you dont know this thing exists :/

[quaint hound]

if you need help u can dm me

ill try my best to help

[inland seal]

Great

[quaint hound]

oh its over

https://extensions.blender.org/add-ons/looptools/

should actually just

be there

maybe get extensions?

i know they redid the whole addon menu n shit

with 4.0

[inland seal]

I really need to login 😭

[quaint hound]

but ya ill be glad to help u

[inland seal]

yippee

Yippeeee

So wich one I choose?

[bleak comet]

Ge nd e r??

[quaint hound]

Yayyy

[quaint hound]

Bridge

[inland seal]

Mkay

[quaint hound]

Should work

[bleak comet]

YIPPIE

TABS

[inland seal]

Nothing ;D

[quaint hound]

oh i hate blender

[bleak comet]

blender pain

[inland seal]

How do I combine 2 models together?

Not using J!

[bleak comet]

J?

[inland seal]

Ik there was another way

[inland seal]

Ye

J is used to Weld or combine things

[bleak comet]

wuts that

ah

[inland seal]

But I dont need that

[bleak comet]

yikes

[quaint hound]

...j

[inland seal]

I want smth similar but without breaking

[inland seal]

What about Alt + Smth

I forgot the command

😭

[quaint hound]

Tf u mean combine

[bleak comet]

just unbreak it frfr

[quaint hound]

Whats breaking when u join them

[inland seal]

I want to be able to edit both parts

Like put custom material on them

[quaint hound]

U can. Still do that

[inland seal]

And so I can resize and drag them still

[quaint hound]

Oh

oh yeah uhm

I think for that

You just

Join them

Then do the edit

Then seperate

[inland seal]

There was another way 😭

A better one

[bleak comet]

lmao

then find it

[quaint hound]

look im sorry 😭

[bleak comet]

lmao

[quaint hound]

Id say im decent at blender but not a master ok...

Im sorry I disappointed u blud...

[bleak comet]

you have not

[inland seal]

Its fine

I will just weld them ..

[bleak comet]

weld 2.0 frfr

[inland seal]

😎

[bleak comet]

anyways

question

is there a way to make a specific part of a texture neon

like

give it a glow

DAAAAD

answer thine question PLEase

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