avatar-help

[desert elk]

like so with the bottom circle in the middle of the iris

[dusty monolith]

this right?

[desert elk]

i'd move then up a bit, but yeah, looks good

[vague gust]

I don't really know how to make a protogen body, can somebody help me/ give me a protogen body or even give me a protogen body reference image?

[dusty monolith]

gonna take a wild guess and say the bottom of the bone is supposed to be in the pupil

[desert elk]

yes!

exactly that

[dusty monolith]

awesome. thank you

[vague gust]

do you know how to make a protogen body?

[desert elk]

if i knew i would answer, i don't even know what protogen means, don't ping me for me questions

[vague gust]

Ok sorry!

wait

also, a protogen is this.

[dusty monolith]

ok soo its still happening. Do the bones gotta be named something in specific?

[desert elk]

hmm it shouldn't be happening. Are you selecting the correct bones?

[dusty monolith]

yeaa

[desert elk]

hmm, the only think i can suggest is maybe apply all transforms and export from blender again?

otherwise i'm stuck

[dusty monolith]

to the bone or mesh?

[desert elk]

everything

[dusty monolith]

ar

[desert elk]

just to be sure

[dusty monolith]

alr

could it be my blender version?

[fallow gulch]

No, blender version has no effect on this

[dusty monolith]

alr

yea still no luck

hmm

[dusty monolith]

maybe shapekeys?

[fallow gulch]

If nothing else works, you can try to turn the eyes when adjusting the eye look in the avatar descriptor
It doesn't matter if the eyes are facing backwards, cause you can just turn them

But I wouldn't think it is like that, because of shape keys

[dusty monolith]

so if i just pose the rotation states to look normal it will look normal?

[fallow gulch]

Yes, it will

[dusty monolith]

and for looking left and looking right is it my left/right or the characters

characters im guessing

[fallow gulch]

Yeah, compared to the character
So it is the character's left and right

[dusty monolith]

thanks

[fallow gulch]

Np

[frail temple]

@frail vessel unconventional solution is to use a virtual machine, and install Unity on there, and then upload the avatars on the virtual machine

[frail vessel]

huhh?

[frail temple]

a virtual machine is basically a tiny windows 10 within your windows

[frail vessel]

i reset my pc and it works now

[frail temple]

Oh, R.I.P

i had to move my entire windows for unity to work again , fuck unity

[frail vessel]

i did a full factory reset

needed to anyways

had some old stuff i wanted gone

[keen igloo]

Is it possible to change the jaw bone range via a toggle?

[ornate stump]

What does "range" mean?

[keen igloo]

The max rotation it'll do when someone is talking basically

[ornate stump]

You rather have to create custom FX to control jaw bone so you can have more control over it.

[keen igloo]

Most people just use visemes, but I have an avatar that uses the jaw bone instead and I want to make a mask for it, but I want to limit the range when the mask is on

https://i.gyazo.com/185a9f238011c06724e042ce94247126.gif

[keen igloo]

I figured I would need to set up something in the fx when the mask is on, but I'm not sure where to really even start with that.
Haven't really done anything more elaborate than toggles and texture swapping

[ornate stump]

You'd have to do blend tree, or motion time state for animating jaw bone according to Volume parameter.

[white hare]

Hi, I hope you can help me, I did a texture for my very second Avatar in PNG, the star, and in Unity it looks much darker than in Blender. The PNG has no background, I tried it with, but the background will be dark too. Anyone know how to fix it?

[keen igloo]

May I see how this setup looks on the inside?

[hollow sun]

I was tracking my poly count by ver and not tris, is this too much?

[strong fog]

hello people, it's been a week that im trying to figure this out, i hope someone know substance here

i've been making a texture for my suit,
first one is how it look in substance
second one it's how it look in blender and unity
and finaly the normal map, you can clearly see that the cut are not the same color, but why ? everyo other uv cuts is well made no problem at all , why THIS is bugging , and it can be the face direction since the rest of the mesh is not "inverted"

[hollow sun]

Have you tried messing around image import settings on unity for the textures?

[desert elk]

for PC it would be alright (it would rank very poor, but it's not the worst amount out there)

[ornate stump]

Can you make sure that normal map space is tangent space rather than object space?

[somber sequoia]

you are outputting an OpenGL format normal map, right?

[hollow sun]

That's what I was hoping for, I was using bases like Rexonium as reference for the amount of detail I wanted to get, anything under 60k is simply not gonna be enough lol

What's the usually agreed upon tri count for PC? For a higher poly count avatar including clothing and items and such? Like, with this 80k avi how much room do I have to add extra stuff in?

[somber sequoia]

Keep it under 70k and it won't be Very Poor 🙂

(beyond that, polys is not really the priority)

[strong fog]

on substance ? how do you do that ? im a beginer of it

[ornate stump]

I've never used it either.

[somber sequoia]

It's in the project settings, and also the export template

[ornate stump]

It's a general knowledge for computer graphic.

[somber sequoia]

I think in Unity there's a checkbox in the settings for the texture too, but I forget what it's called, I just make sure to output the right format

which reminds me to remove the DX format normal map from my export template, I don't actually need that

[keen igloo]

There's a lot of edgeloops that could be tossed out without losing much detail

Like along long stretched of the body

[hollow sun]

Yep, around the chest, I was thinking the same

going to have to retexture after I cut them but It's worth it I guess

fingies also have some uneeded loops

[strong fog]

but the normal map exported from substance is still wrong, it dosn't fix the source problem

[somber sequoia]

It was just a suggestion of something to check

[strong fog]

oh ok

and the format is an direct x, i should try the open gl ?

[somber sequoia]

Unity wants OpenGL, yes.

[wind skiff]

you can also tick invert green channel in the import settings of the texture

[strong fog]

oh, didn't know that, allright

[somber sequoia]

ah I knew there was a setting somewhere

[wind skiff]

but best to just set your substance project to opengl format and export an opengl normal

[strong fog]

but the it will invert them, not sync them

[strong fog]

i try that first

[wind skiff]

the difference between opengl and dx normal maps is the direction of the green channel is inverted

protip, if you're importing an opengl normal in substance and it doesn't look right, you can show the color spaces setting by enabling them in this dropdown

then change the format

[somber sequoia]

oh neat, I never looked there

[strong fog]

nice, imma try that after the export

[keen igloo]

You can pin the uv's
Also when ya dissolve an edge, the uv should stay as it is, though you might have to make some small adjustments depending on how tight the texture edge is

[strong fog]

it work ! i think the issue was that my substance was in open gl but exported as direct x, now it work , i just have this little (cut) but i can cope with this, nobody should look my leg from that close lmao, thank's yall

[ornate zinc]

Hi, I am making a retexture of two avatars, but can't seem to get Physbones, vismemes, hand gestures, and toggles (Including Gogo) to work, if someone could help me figure out what I need to do, please dm me. Thanks!

[desert elk]

i won't dm but if you can explain how you're setting them up correctly and what does "not working" mean, i may be able to help

[ornate zinc]

Ok, starting with Physbones, I need the hat, rays, lower arms and ears to be able to move and be interactable

[desert elk]

alright

[hollow sun]

from 88k to 56k, Had a lot of free real estate on some unexpected areas 😅

[somber sequoia]

Be aware that putting physbones on humanoid bones (the lower arms) will prevent you from moving them

[desert elk]

how does you physbone set up look like?

[ornate zinc]

That is what I am struggling with, I can't seem to figure out how to do them at all

Lemme send a photo of the avi so you know which one I am doing, is that ok?

[desert elk]

seeing an avatar won't help

you need to add a script

google a tutorial, there's a ton

[ornate zinc]

I tried to look at tutorials, but they all were guides, not tutorials

I can look again, though

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what the difference is here?

[desert elk]

what's the difference?

aren't they both showing you how to set physbones up?

[ornate zinc]

No, they aren't, they are just explaining what physics in unity are

[desert elk]

i mean

if you wanna blindly click buttons without knowing what they do be my guest

but i think it's kinda important to learn how physbone settings do, instead of leaving it at default

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyY6VFjOMz8&t=926s

i followed this tutorial

when i was learning

[ornate zinc]

ok, thank you!

[hollow sun]

Yeah taking a look at the settings is really handy

[desert elk]

exactly

no need for 10 colliders on an avatar

some people do that

[hollow sun]

being able to test them as you iterate is really useful, I recomend using gesture manager so you can see the physbone simulation irl

[desert elk]

gesture manager very cool

[hollow sun]

I have been attacked

[somber sequoia]

haha

[desert elk]

oh no

XDD

[hollow sun]

I can have one only on the tip?

Had no idea lmao

[desert elk]

i'm more talking about people who put phybones on every single bone (lower arm, upper arm, legs)

[hollow sun]

Why would people put physbones on limbs?

oh...

[keen igloo]

\o/

[lone flax]

Sorry, but I don't know how to do that either I'd need a step by step😭

[hollow sun]

for adding gogo loco to an avatar? Or getting the addon

[desert elk]

if gogo loco gets added and works so should hand gestures

[somber sequoia]

simple web search: https://ask.vrchat.com/t/how-to-install-gogo-loco-automatically-using-vrcfury/26747

[hollow sun]

adding it to an avi is just drag and drop isn't it? Once it's in unity

[desert elk]

ive never used fury, I can tell you how to do it manually xd

[somber sequoia]

me too, step 1: read the creator's instructions which explain this 🙂

[desert elk]

that is always step one tbh xd

[somber sequoia]

they're not a native english speaker, but the instructions are still quite good.

[lone flax]

I have this Animator controller for a hand gesture, I used it before on a different avatar by dragging it on my avatar but now when I do that it just doesn't work and the hands stay clawed up which I think looks ugly

[desert elk]

I'm not sure how that would work while also using vrcfury for GoGo. Maybe it somehow gets weird and overrides? I'm not sure

are you sure you have gestures turned on in the circle menu in game?

[lone flax]

Idk what you mean?

I'm loading up gesture manager

[desert elk]

ah, I thought you were testing that in game

[lone flax]

Why, should I?

[balmy plover]

question: lets say i merge every mesh into one in blender. then import it into unity, would i be able to make toggles for each object? (ex. a sweater on/off toggle, skin tone radial, ect.)

[somber sequoia]

yes, though you won't be able to simply toggle the object on and off, you'd have to do other things to hide mesh parts, such as blendshape shrinking or UV tile discard.

[vernal light]

Does anyone know how to make a model have a blendshape that makes the triangles disperse/fly off?
Like that one kamen rider avatar by Keihon

[somber sequoia]

manipulating materials is no different.

[balmy plover]

im learning optimization because my questie bestie has been complaining non-stop and i really want all these cool toggles without having to go in circles for it, and the vrchat website said to reduce my skinned mesh renders 😭

[somber sequoia]

it's not wrong

[balmy plover]

you wouldnt have any links for making toggles with one mesh would you 🙏 😅

[somber sequoia]

not to tutorials but the two things I said are good search keywords

this is also a good place to start regarding UV tile discard: https://www.poiyomi.com/special-fx/uv-tile-discard

(this is the method I generally use)

[desert elk]

I didn't know that you knew what gesture manager was

okay, hmm

if you were to remove the custom hand animations do the ones from GoGo Loco work?

[balmy plover]

i found a good one for uv tile discard, but that seems to be a pc only thing, still looking for a blendshape shrinking one but no luck 😓

[desert elk]

and alternatively, if you were to remove GoGo loco, do the custom hand animations work?

[somber sequoia]

yes that's PC only. For shrinking simply make a shape key in Blender which scales the part down such that it's hidden inside other mesh. It can be tricky to get right.

[desert elk]

I tried that before and I always got like an X going out of my avatar's back

[balmy plover]

i must learn.. for the questies (im going to be here for hours aint i)

[somber sequoia]

yeah - probably the best way to do it is to scale it along the bone the mesh is weight painted to

[lone flax]

Where are the animations? there's lots of stuff in the gogo folder

[desert elk]

your custom ones

[balmy plover]

so, last time im here, does this sound right? go back into blender, join all of my meshes into one big skinned mesh render. then, using edit mode and the add shape keys option, i make a new shapekey on the 1 mesh, set its value to 1, then go into edit mode and shrink it down and hide it close to the bones its weight painted to. then, to make the toggle (the optimized way?) in unity, i just record an animation of sliding the shape key instead of using unity's hide feature

[desert elk]

you should know where they are

[lone flax]

I mean the gogo ones you said replace mine with the gogoloco ones

[somber sequoia]

in a nutshell, sure. Probably I'd make that shape key on the separated part though, before merging. I actually leave all my parts separate in Blender, and join only when I'm exporting. It's easier.

[balmy plover]

oooh okay make shapekeys first then join them alright

awesome thanks 🫶

[desert elk]

vrcfury adds GoGo loco stuff automatically. And you're saying that you're using vrcfury, so just remove your custom ones and vrcfury should automatically add GoGo loco ones.

[lone flax]

It's still just the same claw animation

:(

[desert elk]

okay, this may sound stupid, but are you actually clicking the different hands in gesture manager?
if you are the only thing I can suggest is delete all GoGoLoco files and reinstall them again, while following a tutorial

[lone flax]

I've been putting the animator in my avatars Animator controller

[desert elk]

that is not what I asked at all

[lone flax]

I know I meant like could that maybe be why, also Idk what you meant by clicking the dif hands

[desert elk]

in gesture manager, to check if they work?

[lone flax]

you mean the buttons that say "[GESTURE] Fist"?

[lone flax]

yea

[desert elk]

any of those

[lone flax]

those, I have

[timid kite]

the tab on the right is gone bcoz of my cat. please help. how do i bring it back

[lone flax]

It's just the normal one

[desert elk]

N

[timid kite]

didnt work

[desert elk]

delete gogo loco files and reinstall them

[desert elk]

so drag it out with your mouse

[timid kite]

its not the plugins, its the list of assets thats gone

n hides and unhides the plugins

[desert elk]

yeah, that menu that's on the screenshot

[timid kite]

okay. i want to see my item list again. and all the properties. how do i do that?

[desert elk]

ah

i misunderstood

[desert elk]

this is the way i know how to do it

idk if there's a different way

[ornate zinc]

I was able to get the physbones to work.

[wide prairie]

If I have both quest and pc version of an avatar can I upload them together to make the one avatar cross platform?

[desert elk]

i think that's an option in the beta sdk? i could be wrong though, and it would only work if the avatars were identical, same shader and everything

if the avis are different, you need to upload them separately (pc first, quest second) and attach the blueprint id of the pc one to the quest one

[timid kite]

ty i fixed it

[lone flax]

I think it might be because I deleted some gesture files on my avatar so the eyes would stop changing when my hands gesture changes

[desert elk]

if you deleted gesture files ofc the gestures won't work

[lone flax]

I thought it was for the facial gestures only :/

mb

[desert elk]

no

gogo loco doesnt have files for facial expressions

[lone flax]

I meant the ones pre installed for my avatar base

[desert elk]

huh

i'm so lost rn

[lone flax]

real

[uneven whale]

Please tell me what unusual features can be added to the avatar, if I mostly play on the phone? I can edit avatars, but I have a weak PC. I am interested in more detailed face tracking in vrchat mobile, hand movement using sliders and the ability to rotate the camera. Or is it impossible to do this on the phone?

[desert elk]

face tracking is already a thing on mobile and uses the normal visemes

[wide prairie]

in seperate projects?

[desert elk]

hand movement idk

[desert elk]

and, what do you mean by rotate the camera?

[desert elk]

that's up to you. Just have one avatar active in a scene when you're uploading

[wide prairie]

ah gotcha and use the same blueprint id as the one in the pc version

[desert elk]

yes

[worn cave]

I need help uploading a avatar to vrchat, I got to the avi to the build point but Unity wont build it and pops up errors. Any suggestions?

[desert elk]

what errors? show the top 3/4

[livid rapids]

still having problems with this, even with the help of others nothing has been solved.

[wide prairie]

so upload the pc version first and THEN do the blueprint id thing and upload the quest version

[desert elk]

yes

[wide prairie]

thanks brug

[uneven whale]

I'm interested in one thing. Is it possible, for example, to make mobile face tracking record more emotions of the avatar? Like, try to manually configure your avatar so that more emotions are tracked. Or the most it can do is blinking and opening the mouth?
Sorry, I use google translator, so there may be some translation inaccuracies...

[desert elk]

i don't think that's possible

you'd need to rely on toggles for that

[worn cave]

Keeps popping up error saving Prefab, Says that its missing a scrip but I cant find the missing script. Its not my avatar btw I bought it off someone

[desert elk]

okay, what script is it missing? you should add it

[uneven whale]

Make it possible to put your avatar in third person, by implementing some functions in the action menu. Is this even possible?

[worn cave]

the GameObject 'GogoLoco Beyond (VRCFury)'.

[desert elk]

um, i think you could just put the view point of your avatar behind your avatars head

[lone flax]

I put the custom gestures in the wrong place on my avatar...

[somber sequoia]

you can't move the viewpoint, but you could enable another camera

[lone flax]

mb

[desert elk]

can you not? huh i see

[somber sequoia]

not in-game

[worn falcon]

Okay, I've been stuck on this for several hours now. I tried to do as much research through help posts and forums before coming here to make a post, but here goes:

My avatar's eyes aren't aligning when uploaded to vrc. They are aligned correctly both in blender and in unity.

Things I've tried:

• Making sure the eye bones are directly up with the tail facing upwards, no tilt.
• Enable and disabling Eye Look
• Rebuilding the skeleton from the head outwards
• Removing extra bones that may complicate the head bone hierarchy
• Tried using default vrc lit materials as a fallback
• Tried different fbx export settings and setups, namely a 90 degree X axis rest.

I'm dying here. Any ideas?

[desert elk]

ahh

[uneven whale]

So the only way to make your avatar on your phone do more different facial expressions is to implement more emotion switches in the action menu?

[somber sequoia]

by "no tilt" do you mean bone roll = 0? If not check that

[worn falcon]

affirm. Sorry, I forgot the name of it.

[desert elk]

yes

[worn cave]

Its my first time uploading avis and messing with this stuff lol. Idk where the pov is tbh

[somber sequoia]

ok good 🙂

[balmy plover]

its in your avatar descriptor (nvm lol)

[desert elk]

sorry, that was to the other person. I didn't see your message.

you need to install gogo loco

[worn cave]

oh mb 😂 😂

[desert elk]

https://www.gogoloco.net/

and vrcfury if you also don't have it

https://vrcfury.com/

and you should be able to upload

[uneven whale]

Tell me, what other functions can be implemented in the avatar if you play on the phone? Let's say, for a more comfortable and complete game, to feel less limited?

[desert elk]

gogo loco

so you can sit down

[alpine badge]

hi, i wanted to do an optimization change

i wanted to reduce the skinned meshes, so i combined the tights and the base of the avatar, but it seems that the color of the tights is slightly off, because its layered on top of other stuff in the UV map, whats the best way to do this? i dont want to be moving around stuff in the texture

[uneven whale]

I found hand animations that can be used via the action menu. I also plan to add flight, different poses and actions.

[desert elk]

flight probably won't work

[somber sequoia]

If they use separate materials, the UV overlaying won't matter

[alpine badge]

ohhhh

so why else might the color be slightly off?

it seems lighter

[somber sequoia]

without seeing the best I could suggest is to play with the shader settings

(probably even after seeing it, hahah)

[alpine badge]

1st is original, second is after the change

it looks fine in unity, i think

[desert elk]

i'm gonna be honest
i like after change more xD
but i think it could do with shader settings maybe?

[somber sequoia]

yeah I agree with that

I'd be tempted to add some anisotropics too, make those look a bit more like nylons 🙂

[stoic dew]

does anyone have a clue how to fix this?

[worn cave]

ducktape lol

[desert elk]

did you apply transforms and is your head bone vertical?

cause im assuming the head is the problem here

[stoic dew]

the head bone is vertical

[uneven whale]

why do you think so? I saw that some avatars add flight? Is it that difficult and problematic to implement?

[desert elk]

it's based on a bug. It only sometimes works on android
it could disappear soon tbh when the bug is fixed

[uneven whale]

Okay, thanks

Sorry, I'm new to this. Can you please suggest some good text guides on uploading and editing avatars in vrchat? Text guides, because my English is bad and it's hard for me to watch YouTube videos, and with text guides it will be easier for me to use a translator😓

[worn cave]

I still cant get past that build point, keeps throwing the same thing of it cant get past the prefab

[worn cave]

all good lol

[desert elk]

vrchat docs are a good place to start
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/

for things it doesn't explain, search google or ask here

[left gull]

is this in playmode? it looks like you added a phybone to the headbone or something

[stoic dew]

its in gesture manager mode

in normal play mode its fine

ingame its also tilted backwards

[left gull]

if it isnt phybones on directly then head bone then do you possibly have a custom idle on the model?

[stoic dew]

nothing

;-;

[livid rapids]

One thing I did notice is that with the outline enabaled from poiyomi shaders, it's covered by the outlines, the other planes are fine tho.

tbh i might as well remove that one and do a few blender fixes, hope that works

[vernal timber]

nothing too major just- which hair color?

[desert elk]

i'm a fan of white

[night ember]

The black would work if it was less grey

[livid rapids]

War is over.. 🥹

[desert elk]

yippee!!

[vernal timber]

i also found this white to pink tex

and here's a blacker black

[desert elk]

blacker black makes sense with the black outlines of the skin

[vernal timber]

mmmhmmmm!!! so the black it is

[proper storm]

How do I make a contact that stays true until touched again?

[somber sequoia]

2 variables - contact sets the first when active, and you use VRC Avatar Parameter driver to toggle the second one anytime the first one is true

[proper storm]

oh drivers, im sill new to those, let me look though

[proper storm]

Im assuming that when it hits x node with this in it, it will set the var to true?

right

[somber sequoia]

yep

[proper storm]

I see, okay

Wait, would I be using 2 contacts then

one for on and then turn the one for off on then?

[somber sequoia]

you do this however you like, but the most simple case is a contact that drives one variable, and a second variable that is one that sticks

when the first is true (due to the contact), you use that to toggle the second.

[proper storm]

Can i use 2 parameters as receivers in one contact?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what you mean by "parameter receiver" but a contact receiver can only set one variable

[proper storm]

Ah, im just not sure how I would set it up, is all, new to this but I will figure it out later

[somber sequoia]

I've said a few times, is there some part I can explain better?

[proper storm]

maybe, im a bit dumb and I just woke up but this is how im doing it, I have driver in the activated node that just says assembledON=true, Im not sure how if I press the contact again, it will turn off

im not overcomplicating, I just dont fully understand, but almost do

sorry if im like dumb lol, its a bit weird to try and understand how it works

[somber sequoia]

Ah there are lots of ways to do this. You could use a separate layer for the toggling part.
Maybe you don't need two variables.

I'm not sure I'm following that logic, but it does look like you've got it pretty well laid out

[proper storm]

Yeah, but the contact that makes it go on cant make it go off anymore

[somber sequoia]

why not?

[proper storm]

Because its a bool, and when its at the idle state, it will stay false so it will go off instantly

pretty much needing it to be constantly pressed

in simple

[somber sequoia]

I'm not following

[proper storm]

when in idle, bool is false becauise not pressed by hand, so toggle turns off

[somber sequoia]

you can use multiple conditions in the transitions though, "if button pushed and some other condition, do a thing..."

[proper storm]

hm i see

so this is an and or not or condition?

[somber sequoia]

that's AND. You need multiple transitions to do OR

[proper storm]

Oh i see

I get what you mean

[somber sequoia]

cool

[proper storm]

wait, when you use a driver, will the contact stay true until pressed again?

as in, the parameter that the contact is using, my node has a driver that makes it true, will it stay true until I touch the contact again and update back to false

[somber sequoia]

Yes

[proper storm]

I alomst got it working, but one of my parameters go false when it transitions for some reason

[arctic ginkgo]

i don't think driving the contact parameter will work, you'd need another parameter that is changed when the contact is pressed. then you can change the value at other times as well or keep the value regardless of the state of the contact whenever you need to

[woeful heath]

Can someone explain to me what ExpressionX is used for? It says it's user defined, but why would you use this over custom parameters?

[somber meadow]

it's just apart of the default/template action layer

[pine valley]

Is it possible to edit just one position/rotation offset in a VRCParentConstraint?

If I unlock the constraint, moving the object causes every source's offsets to change

i'd like to be able to interactively set up the offsets by moving the object around in the scene view

[arctic ginkgo]

easiest way to do this is just make each source an empty with 0 offset, then just move the empties where you need them relative to their parent

[pine valley]

Yeah, that's what I've done in the past

(and what i just did, haha)

probably better to not try to fuss with the interactive offset editing

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah i mean you can change the offsets manually through debug mode but it's not really worth the trouble

[woeful heath]

Yes, but whyyy??? xd

[pine valley]

i wonder if those are meant to let you share data between different playable layers

wild shot in the dark

but you can just use a non-synced parameter for that...

[woeful heath]

That could actually be the case... It's what makes the most sense to me so far

[wide prairie]

I'm having an issue with this avatar I uploaded, for some reason on desktop everytime I move and then stop moving the right arm rotates and when I move backwards the forearm spazzes out

[left gull]

sounds like it could be a phybone or weightpaint thing though hard to tell w/o visuals

[wide prairie]

I'll take a video

[wide prairie]

Sorry cant get shadowplay to work on vrc

[spice flicker]

It wont load I reset it like 3 times.

[sleek agate]

How do I make hair move on android for meta quest, cause I can't get it to work with phys bones

[frail vessel]

uhmmm... so i uploaded an avatar then when i opened VRChat it says "Failed Security Checks" ????

[austere bay]

that means your avatar failed security checks

[frail vessel]

but like, why?

lol

[austere bay]

probaby too big

[frail vessel]

is there a way to compress it?

[austere bay]

https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/31264259544211-My-avatar-is-showing-Security-checks-failed

[austere bay]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-optimizing-tips/

[austere bay]

the same as for pc? wym by can't get it to work? does it just not move? or not upload?

[sleek agate]

So basically I can't get the hair to move on android/quest

[austere bay]

okay, that's probably an issue with your bones

is the hair parented and weight painted properly in blender?

[sleek agate]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it is, I think if it was a parented and weight issue I'd get the same issue on pc, but it works fine on pc vrchat

[barren wave]

is anybody else having issues with adding new physbones to avatars? i've tried it on 3 different projects now and i can't seem to get anything to move, i go to test in play mode and nothing is moving despite having pull and spring components with the bones correctly weighted.

existing physbones work, but anything i try to add is just stiff as a damn brick

[austere bay]

it should work the exact same, there's no reason why it wouldn't

[sleek agate]

See that's what I'm confused about

[austere bay]

I would just double check all the hair moves in blender

for that fbx specifically

can you see the bones in unity?

like the gizmos for the bones

[sleek agate]

Yeah

[frail vessel]

i crunch compressed all the textures

[austere bay]

still getting failed security checks?

[frail vessel]

nope

it looks good now

[austere bay]

and they're definitely not moving bc of your settings being wrong?

do the bones move without the mesh? or do the bones not move in play mode either?

[sleek agate]

I've tried it in Gesture manager an they move

[balmy barn]

how many components, above 8 say goodbye

(above will be removed ingame)

[austere bay]

that wouldn't let them upload it though right? if they had too many bones

[balmy barn]

ive seen people who uploaded above it , older sdk 'n stuff

same with av's thats above uncompressed limits

[austere bay]

so is that like, they move issue fixed? or they still dont work in game?

[midnight valley]

I have a question, is there a reason that any avatar I upload to quest it fails the security check as soon as its up?

[austere bay]

https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/31264259544211-My-avatar-is-showing-Security-checks-failed

[sleek agate]

Still don't work in-game

[austere bay]

try what thulen said, remove some bones, see if they work

also is it that the mesh moves when you use gesture manager or just the bones?

[sleek agate]

Both? Cause it looks like it moves how it should

[sleek agate]

These are my settings

[balmy barn]

sdk build menu shows how many components you have

[midnight valley]

This didnt help much tbh

[timid kite]

vcc doesnt let choose the right unity version bcoz it says it already exists but we cant open the project in that version so how does it exist

[balmy barn]

remove all then add again, ive had this too

see funny \ /

uh they are the same

[sleek agate]

Is this for me?

[timid kite]

still says version already exists

[midnight valley]

could someone explain why this is happening, i really dont understand bc i create a new project and add in the model and yet it still wont work, its with every avatar im trying to upload to quest

[timid kite]

how to fix

[desert elk]

maybe mb are too big?

[midnight valley]

it doesnt give me the noticion or anything

[desert elk]

there's this addon
https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools

you could use it to see your stats

[midnight valley]

hopefully it helps

[desert elk]

it will just show you the stats, it's not gonna fix anything. If the stats are too much you'll need to do things to lower them

[midnight valley]

i removed everything off the model once and it still failed

[sleek agate]

@balmy barn where do I find the sdk build menu?

[desert elk]

that's the place where you upload the avatar

vrchat > vrc SDK > builder

[sleek agate]

Oh ok ty

[vernal light]

Does anyone know how to make a model have a blendshape that makes the triangles disperse/fly off?
Like that one kamen rider avatar by Keihon

[timid inlet]

can someone help me the vrc uploader needs me to add a descriptor but on here its grayed out and wont let me add nothing :/ Idk what to do

[round comet]

You need to drag the fbx into the inspector and add it there

So then its a prefab

You add the descriptor to the prefab

[timid inlet]

? explain like a dummy

[round comet]

Click in the hierarchy* tab, not the actual fbx

You can’t add a descriptor to the fbx

Typo

[timid inlet]

I tried to drag fbx to the right where it says inspector

[round comet]

Yeah mb meant hierarchy LOL

[timid inlet]

where the heck is that? lol

oohhhh

and put it where?

[round comet]

The hierarchy tab to your left

Well the avatar is there

So click it

[timid inlet]

ah okay I see it now thank you

[round comet]

No prob

Then just add component

And find VRC Avatar Descriptor

[left gull]

try uploading the model under a new Blueprint ID

also sending a screenshot of what you're upload panels stats are looking like could help others help you

theres quite a few things that can cause errors that wont show as an actual error message in the panel but you can guess on based off ur stats

[midnight valley]

Gotta give me a minute

[sleek agate]

I've got phys bones working on a Android, thank you for the assistance chat 🤍

[midnight valley]

Is this what your talking about

[balmy barn]

those stats are terrible no wonder it get nuked , not a android avatar

[desert elk]

yeah like I thought

[balmy barn]

id block that even on pc

its a walking crasher for quest

[desert elk]

exactly

where would you even put all of those things? the avatar looks harmless, but the stats are wild!

[midnight valley]

Theres nothing on it 😭

[balmy barn]

death

[desert elk]

that's not nothing

that's the total opposite of nothing

[midnight valley]

it got like 4 toggles

[desert elk]

We're not talking about toggles here

meshes, materials, bones

that's way too much!!

[balmy barn]

drop about 99% of it you have a quest avatar

[desert elk]

same

[midnight valley]

i dont know how to lower those tbh

[desert elk]

decide on one way your Avi will look, delete the meshes you're not using, combine the leftover meshes, combine materials too! 328? How?

[balmy barn]

its made in unity , drag a fbx of that av in scene, put descriptor on it see stats now

[desert elk]

and bones too, I can't even imagine why so many would be needed

[midnight valley]

how

like how do i get the fbx

[desert elk]

it's in the unity files

somewhere

usually it's named with the avatar's name but it looks like all your materials are named "New Material" so idk if that will be the case for you

[midnight valley]

i cant find it

[desert elk]

btw I noticed you have a folder called "optimized" wouldn't it contain a more optimized version of the Avi?

[midnight valley]

no, its optimized shaders also i made the avatar by js combining stuff on to a model

[weak briar]

how are 9000 bones even possible

that shit would take way too long to make xdd

[desert elk]

that's why we're saying it's a crasher

cause, it basically is

for quest definitely

[weak briar]

yeah i get that, just wondering how we get to that point to begin with haha

[desert elk]

me too

me too

[midnight valley]

well idk if this is info for anything but this is the quest version of the model and it wont work for quest either

[desert elk]

this looks way better

and should work for quest

[midnight valley]

it dont

[desert elk]

try using the correct unity version

maybe that's messing it up

[midnight valley]

I'm using the right version, i dont know why it says im not

[desert elk]

cause I don't see a reason as to why this one wouldn't upload. The stats look so much better

[desert elk]

double check

in the creator companion settings

and make sure you don't accidentally have two unity versions installed or something like that

[midnight valley]

and the other one is 2019

[midnight valley]

also

[astral nimbus]

Anyone know why this is happening? It wont let me switch to Android version to upload it on quest...

[desert elk]

you need to download android build support, I think

[astral nimbus]

where may I find that?

[desert elk]

did you upload it to pc first? you should

[desert elk]

I was right, it should be 2022.3.22f1

[midnight valley]

when i do its fine for pc but not quest

[balmy barn]

check that place, if you dont have android [download] appear there

[desert elk]

uhh it's somewhere in the settings. I think when you go to build mode to switch it should show up with a link to download

yes that

[astral nimbus]

is this meant for me or?

[desert elk]

yes, you

[desert elk]

with the same blueprint id?

[midnight valley]

mhm

[desert elk]

huh I guess it just shows up with quest only for some reason

the only thing I can recommend is get the correct unity version 2022.3.22f1

[midnight valley]

how do i get it

[balmy barn]

https://unity.com/releases/editor/whats-new/2022.3.22 (hub & manual install < wich i do)

[desert elk]

unity website? vrc website?

unity tends to download faster

[midnight valley]

i js clicked windows

[digital flare]

help, i cant upload a avi for the life of me, ive reinstalling VCC and unity yet still wont work. i have the SDK [sry for the broken english its not my first language ]

[desert elk]

are you making the project in vcc and picking the avatar 2022 template?

[digital flare]

yes

[digital flare]

oh and i keep getting this error

[desert elk]

looks like some unity files may be missing

[digital flare]

yay time to reinstall unitiy for the 3rd time

[crystal whale]

Whats the current version of the VRC CC?

unity, i mean.

[crystal whale]

Thankies

[digital flare]

np

[warm bolt]

A friend took pictures using VRChat’s camera while playing in PC mode. They can see all the pictures—for example, they took around 20, but 5 of them won’t open.

[desert crow]

anyone happen to know what this means? i tried uploading my avitar and its been compiling/building for 20 hours and after reseting my computer this is happning and vrcsdk is gone from unity. tried making a new file and its been reloading new domain for ~1 hour.

here are the outher errors

[short ferry]

But my avatar is set as a humanoid rig-

[patent geyser]

Could someone show me how to make a toggle to take off a coat and sweater at the same time? I'm not using Fury, and I don't want to. I'm not sure if I'm going this right.

Is this correct so far? Yes I know the arrows on the left one are missing.

[bright silo]

why not give them their own layers?

[patent geyser]

They have they;'re own, but I want an extra set that does both.

Can I just do it how I want

[grizzled vault]

i keep getting this error every upload: VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi.UploadFile (System.String filename, System.String fileId, System.String friendlyFileName, System.Action2[T1,T2] onProgress, System.Threading.CancellationToken cancellationToken) (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:973) VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi.UpdateAvatarImage (System.String id, VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar data, System.String pathToImage, System.Action2[T1,T2] onProgress, System.Threading.CancellationToken cancellationToken) (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:597)
VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.HandleSaveChangesClick () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:1818)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncMethodBuilderCore+<>c.<ThrowAsync>b__7_0 (System.Object state) (at <27124aa0e30a41659b903b822b959bc7>:0)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext+WorkRequest.Invoke () (at <cb81df0c49c643b1a04d9fc6ccca2433>:0)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext.Exec () (at <cb81df0c49c643b1a04d9fc6ccca2433>:0)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext.ExecuteTasks () (at <cb81df0c49c643b1a04d9fc6ccca2433>:0)

[patent geyser]

I don't want separate toggles.

[bright silo]

If they already have their own layers then you can use transitions with the appropriate conditions to transition those layers and turn the objects off.
Else you can animate both the sweater and jacket off in this layer you're showing with 1 animation

[patent geyser]

uhh what

I'm.. asking if it looks right

i dont know what youre saying

this is the first time ive ever done this, and this video sucks.

[bright silo]

Okay, before I say yes or no. What is the intended use case of this layer?
So we're on the same page

[patent geyser]

Click button, items turn off, click again, turn back on

toggle.

[grizzled vault]

i can't upload because of this btw

[bright silo]

alright, if you want to click one button and they both turn off then I would set up an animation that is animating both the jacket and the sweater off for this layer to transition into

[patent geyser]

....huh?

isnt that what this is?

this is too complicated

[bright silo]

To me the layer looks like it has separate states for the jacket off and the sweater

[patent geyser]

see i dont know how to do that

and again, this video sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV1NFaI3xRU

sounds like a 14 year old boy.

zero explanation

[bright silo]

single animation toggles. interesting

[patent geyser]

its all greyed out

idk what im doing wrong but it sure as hell doesnt want me to touch anything

[bright silo]

yep, the animtion needs to be on the avaatr in order to add properties to it

[patent geyser]

uhhh what

it was before

[patent geyser]

its working with just the blouse

so idk

i cant edit it anymore

sooo i made another one?

[bright silo]

when you select the avatar in the Hierarchy, can you modify the animation?

[patent geyser]

nope

its a fucking mess unity is ass

how tf do i "attach" iot then

[bright silo]

Okay, if you drag the animation onto the avatar in the Hierarchy then it will allow you to modify it

[patent geyser]

this is so stupid

imn not understanding at all

im just not

i see the "layers" in the animator

io have animation up

i cant fuckin add anything

becuse the MOMENT i click the heirarcy it swapst to "underwear off" and will not let me change to ANYTHING ELSE

this is BULLSHIT

??????????

hwqat is this shit

let me fuckin do my thing you shitty program

[bright silo]

yes, you need to drag the animation you want to modify from the project window onto the avatar in the hierarchy

[patent geyser]

why

it didnt make me before

OKAY

clicked

blouse ddreagged in

now its this shit

what the fuck is going ON

i fucking hate unity so much

[bright silo]

now you can select that animation in the list in the Animation window

[patent geyser]

okay

wheres everything else

wheres the other toggle i just made why is it gone and why cant ie dit it again

im not remaking it

[bright silo]

It's in a different controller.

[zinc flicker]

how much unity expierence do you have?

[patent geyser]

like none

[bright silo]

When you dragged the animation onto the avatar it made a new controller as it needs it to be compatible. This is just that new controller
The controller with your toggle is still in your project window, wherever you saved it

[patent geyser]

im trying to learn

this program is shit

[zinc flicker]

its not garbage its just a learning curve, just like any other game engine.

[patent geyser]

so helpful

[patent geyser]

then how do i use the one that already exists

oh fuck it ill just delete n reset. shitty program

[bright silo]

Don't need to reset, the files are all there still
Navigate to the controller file and drag it onto your avatar in the same way you did with the animation

[zinc flicker]

bruh.exe

[patent geyser]

grey.

nvm.

[patent geyser]

You are the hero the world needs. Thank you.

https://tenor.com/view/fran-nod-anime-catgirl-gif-587900888031464361

[vagrant crater]

been trying to make it so the elbow is connect to the elbow plating but i keep ending up with this

[cinder finch]

I'm trying to set up some clothes for an avatar but the clothes are set as an avatar themselves? The page said to use AvatarTools, but it keeps giving me errors of missing scripts... has anyone had this issue or know a resolution?

This is the error log

[ornate stump]

Your missing script likely is DynamicBones

[cinder finch]

Oh! I will look into that. Thank you!

[tall dock]

Arm is rotating within the floor instead of its own bone like a normal body, why this happens and if there is smth to fix it?

[ornate stump]

You have to look for tool pivot settings at the top of the viewport.

[tall dock]

Ah thank you!!

That was cracking my head out

[timid kite]

how do i essentially tell an item "hey, u cant go through the leg"? i know u need to do a cylinder or something?

[cinder finch]

So... any idea how to make clothing work when its set up as an avatar?

[ornate stump]

Is the item controlled by physbone?

[timid kite]

yes

[ornate stump]

Add physbone collider to the leg and tell the physbone to collide with that collider.

[ornate stump]

Armature link.

[cinder finch]

Attempted that, didn't work

Also can't seem to get base clothing togglable...

[ornate stump]

You likely missed something.

[cinder finch]

most likely :/

[ornate stump]

You'd have to elaborate what you had done so we can check what you missed.

[timid kite]

ty!

[cinder finch]

Imported Shaders/AvatarTools
Imported Unity Prefab
Combined Avatar and Outfit with AvatarTools

[ornate stump]

Which AvatarTools?

[cinder finch]

KurotoriTools

[ornate stump]

Is it recommended by the cloth store to use KurotoriTools?

[cinder finch]

Yes

downloaded directly from link on store page

[ornate stump]

I'm not sure with that. We usually use ModularAvatar or VRCFury to link armature.

[cinder finch]

I use both, however, this clothing option is not normal

[ornate stump]

How not normal?

[arctic citrus]

Hey! Does anyone know whats causing this? For some reason when I'm testing using GestureManager, my arms are not symmetrical(?) or having the same rotation and the other

Which I find it weird cause I'm not sure what happened here

[cinder finch]

It comes pre-set up with an Avatar Descriptor and Pipeline manager like a full avatar

[ornate stump]

You could just remove the descriptor, pipeline and animator, then use a common tool to merge.

[cinder finch]

will attempt

oh... yeah that worked

I think...

[cinder finch]

my avatar comes with base clothes, I do have 3 outfits at this point, but my avatar does not have an option to remove base clothing unless it is forced off by gesture manager, but I cannot have two toggles that turn off the clothes... any quick tip?

[ornate stump]

What does "forced off by gesture manager" mean?

[cinder finch]

Well, when I had the Base outfit and a Custom outfit, I was able to create a toggle that turned ON custom, and OFF base. But I cannot have two toggles to toggle base off

ah well nevermind

fixed again

Nope... nevermind

[ripe ledge]

how to fix this? topology

[spark walrus]

im trying to use this site, https://vsk.lox9973.com/abstat/ it says to navigate to my app data folder, locallow, and then vrchat, vrchat, and then avatar folder, and then i should have some asset bundle files there, but mine is empty, and i've uploaded plenty of avatars before so i dont know whats going on, where can i find the files necessary to use the site?

[ornate stump]

That folder contains only content that's for local build and test.

[fiery crow]

smartest vrchat ripper

[spark walrus]

oh, so i have to do a test build to get unity to generate the files i need to use that site?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[spark walrus]

oh ok, thank you

[fiery crow]

why does it have 200+?

the ceo of drawcalls

[night ember]

how the fuck does that have 200+ pieces

[proven trellis]

because it just does

[night ember]

that entire thing could literally just be 1 piece

I have no idea how that even lets you upload to vrchat

[proven trellis]

no

it can't

because it's animated

[night ember]

the hell does being animated have to do with anything

[proven trellis]

I can't join it in to one mesh renderer

every piece is animated

unless I made a 200 bone rig

and did that but

that would be hard to do

[night ember]

not really?

[proven trellis]

how would you do it then

[night ember]

if its already pieces being animated then the bones would just be 100 weighted to each object

[proven trellis]

yes but how am I gonna make the rig, with all of the bones in the exact same places, animated the same, and weighted? that would take hours and hours

[night ember]

I dont even think vrchat will let you upload that

the max limit of poor ranking mesh renderers is 24 let alone your 200+

[proven trellis]

then how am I using it? with over 500 mesh renderers, I have 2 shatter things

[night ember]

🤷‍♂️

[arctic dune]

I'm helping a friend create an avatar who doesn't use a playspace mover

How can I adjust the height of an avatar off the ground for large boots that extend below the toe bones?

[heavy zephyr]

Could animate the animator.t root I believe it's called then use the temporary pose space thingy to make the view match the new height. It's very hacky and there's probably a better way but that's the only thing my tired brain can think of atm

[fiery crow]

raise the avatar and make sure arma origin is set at world origin (0,0,0)

(blender)

ctrl+A all transforms

i think theres also a way to do it in unity through the fbx config

[timid kite]

where do i put height file

[ornate stump]

What "height file"?

[ornate stump]

Should be called height texture. Usually is for "Height Parallax".

[timid kite]

where do i put it in poiyomi?

[ornate stump]

The slot name depends on shader you used.

[timid kite]

poiyomi toon

[ornate stump]

Search for "height" first. If not found then search for "parallax".

[timid kite]

how do i search for that and where

[ornate stump]

The search box is at the top of material window.

[timid kite]

i dont see anything like that in here

[ornate stump]

Magnifier icon is a universal symbol for searching.

[timid kite]

i really dont understand where you want me to look

👻

[desert elk]

the search icon.

[timid kite]

this?

[timid kite]

ty

[ornate stump]

How would you describe that position so I know what to describe?

[patent geyser]

How does not knowing how unity works make me a ripper? Are you stupid?

Anyway, does anyone know how Modular Avatar works? I've having trouble with the "setup outfit" thing. ITs not working.

[ashen flume]

weird lighting issue in the shadow for quest

[ornate stump]

https://modular-avatar.nadena.dev/docs/tutorials/clothing

[ornate stump]

You should not put that in occlusion slot.

[patent geyser]

literally told me nothing. wow lookie i just did that.

[ornate stump]

You'd have to explain your issue so we get clues where you missed.

[patent geyser]

I right clicked setup outfit

nothing happened.

Nothing.

[ornate stump]

Nothing as you tested with gesture manager and cloth still doesn't link?

[patent geyser]

In GM the head peice is permananly on. i dont know why.

its not supposed to be

havent gotten passed this yet

outfit is NOT on

[ornate stump]

It's in bike pose that mean GM hasn't been enabled yet.

[patent geyser]

as i said, its permanantly on

[ornate stump]

Does it has menu to toggle off?

[patent geyser]

nope

[ornate stump]

Do you want to toggle or just change the headpiece permanently?

[patent geyser]

I want it to be off by default before i change anything else

BEcause theres 12 outfits, all the same one with diff flavors.

all doing this.

[ornate stump]

If you haven't edit the base FX layer, it's likely being controlled by animations.

[patent geyser]

i dont even know what that is

i just tried to make a toggle from scratch today and it was a nightmare.

cant remember anything

that was long before i bought the maid uniform

[ornate stump]

FX layer is like cog and wheel that drive the system in your avatar.

[patent geyser]

ok.

so not fixing it then

oh well. fuck MA then

[junior void]

This is weight painting

[desert elk]

yup, weight painting

[misty ridge]

Does installing packages on VCC depend on wifi or internet speed? its being unusually slow for me today like it takes 1 whole min to add one package

[zinc flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fICQmBEt4Y

this is what it is to get an idea of what is dont use automatic weight paints which can cause even more pain.

This is to show you what weight paints are and how it works and or how to weight paint.

[livid rapids]

Making a quest version and this pops up. Don't really know how to have 1 material slot when 2 of them are meshes that haven't been joined because they're toggles.

the atlas is the same for every mesh tho

[zinc flicker]

every mesh object will take a material slot typically even if you combine materials into one atlas.

[fiery crow]

bruther be so fr

idky youre playing dumb

i can SEE it

[livid rapids]

Yeah, that's logic even for me. Just not sure what to do so they can still be toggled while not taking material slots to the point its "poor" perfomance

really im just looking to get rid of that, otherwise im fine with the quest version being medium ranking

[zinc flicker]

Bruh.EXE

[desert elk]

this is so funny

[livid rapids]

2,861,016 triangles is insane

how does one be so stupid to even get to that many triangles,,,

[zinc flicker]

when you slap like 13 outfits on one avatar

and that one coin from sketchfab with Tag "Lowpoly"

[livid rapids]

ooh yeah the outfits

the many outfit toggles,,

[fiery crow]

theyre panic deleting all their messages from that server too

[desert elk]

hahaha

that's wild

[zinc flicker]

Karma for being aggressive when asking for help.

[desert elk]

yup

[zinc flicker]

I love it

[night ember]

I mean you are quite stupid

[frail temple]

If i export my model from unity with Physbones attached, import it into blender and export it back into unity, will it lose the physbone data?

[night ember]

If you reparent or delete tge bones the physbones are on wheb replacing the fbx

[zinc flicker]

Theres a lot of factors, but technically no.

[frail temple]

Oh, so if i join the meshes in blender and export it back into unity, all the phys bone data is gonna remain? Sick

[zinc flicker]

yeah if you are not messing with the bones themselves you should be fine

[frail temple]

Thanks

[zinc flicker]

always make a backup incase to fall back on.

[night ember]

If you havent unpacked the avatar sure

[frail temple]

watch blender throw away the physbone data regardless lmao

[night ember]

Blender doesnt even touch unity components

Unity components are a scene only thing

[frail temple]

I see, quick question, these are my export settings, is there anything i should change?

[zinc flicker]

you can always make an empty game object that targets those bones so you save the settings of the bones just not the root bone. That way if you do update the bones or modify it it wont matter as empty game object is its own thing seperate from the model that just targets the bones.

[frail temple]

Armature : Deform bones / Leaf bones is OFF

[desert elk]

looks good

[zinc flicker]

I would use FBX all as the scaling...its the norm, but if the creator used different export setting use that instead.

[desert elk]

yeah, some tutorials say FBX units, some say FBX all

I don't actually know what the difference is

[night ember]

I mean if you dont change anything and ignored leaf bones on either import or export then it doesnt exactly matter

[quick ridge]

Hey guys, do any of you know how to solve this?

[spark walrus]

hi agaaain sorry for interrupting. is there really any advantage to having clothing toggles versus just multiple avatar uploads? i noticed that vroid merges all the skin layers together so like i cant have a swimsuit and leggings on the same avi

[night ember]

Make the parameters the correct type like it says

[night ember]

I mean its more optimized

[desert elk]

i prefer multiple avatars - more optimized

[night ember]

Why have outfits you arent going to use on an avatar
All that does is waste space

[spark walrus]

that is true. when i exported my vroid with all of the clothes/outfits on it had like 500 bones

[desert elk]

vroid merges skin overlays together, you can chest that by making them bodysuit instead. Then they'll stay separate and you can toggle between them

[desert elk]

damn, definitely multiple avatars

[spark walrus]

yeah thats less work for this noob anyway

[desert elk]

yup

[spark walrus]

appreciate u eli youre always helping people in this chat it seems

[desert elk]

oh thank you

[frail temple]

beware of scammers, you're gonna get 100 dm's in a minute by someone who's never talked here lol

[desert elk]

yup

this server is full of that

you could try asking vrc traders? maybe there's someone who does weight painting there

[night ember]

I hate booth avatars for the fact they weirdly like having skirts and dresses with 100+ bones

[frail temple]

got someone in my dm who was somehow gonna port transparency shaders to quest and never spoke on this server

[desert elk]

same

mmm lovely

[zinc flicker]

you can use Unit scale as its basically going by meters which Unity uses, Ive seen people use All Local which will bakes the scaling, rotations, and position into the object which can cause scaling issues when imported to unity. FBX all applies both the custom baked scaling and unit scaling.

[desert elk]

i never used that server, but i know people who did and it went well
and they def have less scammer than here

[frail temple]

@wraith pelican can u post the model you're trying to weight paint

[desert elk]

oh i see

thanks for explaining!

[night ember]

Script kiddies thought the same and bitched here when vrchat patched it saying "they broke all quest avis" when in reality it was just the modified sdk avatars that were reset to the proper shaders

[frail temple]

Did you do automatic weights?

[night ember]

Just make the hood part not weighted to the arm bone

[frail temple]

you have to manually weight paint to get rid of imperfections

That's because you didn't remove the vertex groups the automatic weights applied

[desert elk]

same with hair

and it should work

[frail temple]

move each bone and see which specific bone is weight painted on the hoodie, after you identify the bone, hold CTRL and press left mouse over the hoodie

[desert elk]

i'd copy the blend file. Remove everything besides the hood and remove all vertex groups that shouldn't affect the hood and import it back to switch it

[zinc flicker]

https://jinxxy.com/SentFromSpaceVR/robust-weight-transfer

[night ember]

Weight paint mode and just go down the list and see what makes it not blue

[zinc flicker]

just get that

saves you so much time

[frail temple]

do what eli said

he's smarter than me

[desert elk]

that's what i do with mine sometimes XD

[zinc flicker]

youll still have to do some weight painting to clean up spots but that tool saves you so much time ngl

[desert elk]

vroids tend to have werid stuff weight painted to thumbs, so it deforms

[desert elk]

yup, definitely

[livid rapids]

??? im not even uploading it to quest/android

[frail temple]

What the hell is that tool?

[night ember]

File, build settings

[zinc flicker]

blender plugins can be a blessing and a curse... cough cough CATS

[desert elk]

i like cats :)

saves me a lot of time

[livid rapids]

Cats is pretty useful, good add on 👍

[zinc flicker]

I dont like CATS plugin im sure its useful in many ways but I found no use for it x.x

[frail temple]

is the robust weight transfer tool just automatic weights but better? i actually can't tell what i am looking at

[night ember]

Switch to android and back

[desert elk]

i convert vrms to to vrchat avatars, and with cats it's two buttons and done

so very helpful than manually doing everything

[livid rapids]

Still the same

[night ember]

Auto weights with settings thats it

[desert elk]

yup

[night ember]

Reload sdk then

[zinc flicker]

it takes source mesh weight paints and "softly" transfer them to the target mesh you want.

[frail temple]

perfect

[frail temple]

Oh so basically instead of doing a rough draft yourself, it does it for you

Automatic weights but with 0.1-0.5 strength

[mortal tangle]

so i was making a toggle, and when i went to click on conditions it keeps popping this error up, and after i clicked Undo, its still happening but NOW with all my animations, what can i do???

[frail temple]

Export as unity package, open new project, try again

[zinc flicker]

yeah pretty much and sometimes it works really well you just have to blur and soften some areas more but PANTS you have to make sure cause sometimes it will pull a polygon or two to the opposite leg cause they are so close togeather.

[frail temple]

Does it do well with low polygon models? i might try to use it

[zinc flicker]

I havent done low low poly but I am curious now.

[livid rapids]

Got to fix it by reopening the project 👍

[night ember]

Thats a warning not an error

[mortal tangle]

well that, but my conditions menu wont open, like the drop down to select the parameter. and each time i click it it appears

like i dont know what to do, im going crazy, i was on the last toggle of my avatar 98U2N3E98YNcxxcv

and i dont get answers anywhere

[night ember]

I dont see anything wrong in that image

[mortal tangle]

i cant open the conditions menu, i wanna change it from "Sweater" to another one, but every time i click on it, the menu wont open, and it just gives me that error, i already went to a new project and imported the avatar files but nothing

no matter what i do, it just stays like this

[zinc flicker]

in the animation of the toggle is there any yellow text?

[mortal tangle]

nope, nothing highlights

[zinc flicker]

is the sweater bool in the parameters so the menu can refrence it?

[mortal tangle]

yes

it happens with every single one of my other ones too

[zinc flicker]

did you make a separate parameter menu for that menu thats not on the avatar descriptor.

[mortal tangle]

i make all the toggles inside the ones the avatar already has?? im confused by what you mean sorry

[zinc flicker]

so on your avatar descriptor you have menu and parameter correct

[mortal tangle]

yes?

[zinc flicker]

yes those

sorry i use to calling them menus to myself lol

[mortal tangle]

its okayy

you asking if sweater is in them?

[zinc flicker]

did you make sub menu with its own expressions parameter that are not on the deira prameter

[mortal tangle]

no i didnt

[zinc flicker]

if you go to the sdk upload does it give you a different error than the one in console.

[mortal tangle]

let me try uploading it then

[zinc flicker]

i mean here

[mortal tangle]

oh

let me see

[zinc flicker]

in the validations in the splash menu

[mortal tangle]

nope

[zinc flicker]

or what ever its called lol

[zinc flicker]

I mean i would try uploading a test version and see what breaks

[mortal tangle]

okay

[mortal tangle]

nothing happened, it uploaded like nothing :(

like its good, but i wanna obviously change animations on the avatar and i cant

[zinc flicker]

if you want to change them then you gotta hit the red record button unless you have them already made lol

[mortal tangle]

nono, i want to change the parameter of a new toggle im making, and since it shows the default condition it just wont work :(

and i have everything else ready except for that it just wont work

like i've been working on this avatar for a while with little spare time i got, and now RIGHT AT THE END this happens

[muted spire]

how do i add custom emotes/actions.. video from 3 years ago outdated

[night ember]

Just add the animation to the action layer copying the emotes already there or just replacing them entirely

[muted spire]

how to animate tho? i cant seem to move anything from the rig

it just stuck like this

im unable to even animate it moving around

[night ember]

Animator keys not transform keys

You cant transform animate humanoid rigged bones

[fallow fiber]

uhh where do i find the option to make the sculpt tool im using have symmetry? its a butterfly thing right? its not there for some reason. also the radius and strength adjustments arent there either

[hollow rover]

Hey guys i need some help with an avatar that has 3 bodies

so i have 1 avatar that has 3 bodies, each have their own visemes, is there a way i can make it so when i switch bodies my visemes will still work and not just for 1 body?

do i have to combine meshes n stuff?

[sour quartz]

Does anyone know how to, with poiyomi, make an emission for something like the eyes that specifically has a bloom effect. Not just a basic glow-in-the-dark emission, but emitting light with a soft bloom?

[night ember]

Bloom is a world effect

You could fake it like I did with a particle

[sour quartz]

oh how did you set it up?

[night ember]

Default particle sprite emulating the bloom's faded glow

[sour quartz]

Doesnt that impact the performance a lot?

[quartz pewter]

Can someone help me with my avatar, I got tech pants and i need these straps on the pants to collide with the pants when it sits down, but they go through them

[night ember]

Not if used sparingly like particles normally

[sour quartz]

alright :) ill look into that then. cheers

[quartz pewter]

Is anyone able to help? I’m still rather new to creating avi’s

[night ember]

Physbone collider component

Stick it on the bone you want it to collide to and set the length and width of it then in the physbone add it as a collider

[muted spire]

uhhhhh..

[quartz pewter]

But it didn’t work when I did that

Ohh add it into a physbone!!

Wait I’m stuck

Nvm tysm

[fallow fiber]

bump!

[desert elk]

right click somewhere here and tick "Show Tool Settings"

[fallow fiber]

theres nothing there still 😭

[desert elk]

i have no idea why

[fallow fiber]

its ok thank u tho

so uh i changed the blender version bc i forgor i was supposed to use cats and now the sculpt tool doesnt want to work at all

like any mesh i try to use it on just wont work

im on 2.8 btw

[desert elk]

why not use unoffical cats and a newer blender? way less bugs

4.2 and unofficial work great

[cerulean junco]

use the sculpt tab maybe? layout tab is a bit buggy sometimes

[fallow fiber]

yah i am in the sculpt tab

[fallow fiber]

alright lemme try this

[desert elk]

https://www.blender.org/download/lts/4-2/
https://github.com/teamneoneko/Cats-Blender-Plugin-Unofficial-/releases/tag/4.2.2.5

[cerulean junco]

on your ss it just says "sculpt mode" and not at the top in sculpting, sorry if ya changed that 🐟

[fallow fiber]

uhh theres a bunch of these things

should it be fine if i ignore it?

[weak briar]

fbi is on its way

[desert elk]

ignore

that's normal

the wiki has it explained if you wanna check out why it's showing up

[weak briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLGPg9EFNjQ

wanted to share this here, cause the modeling techniques by the big boi companies are pretty clever

[fallow fiber]

so im trying to sculpt some leg things to fit on my model but when it comes to the parts that are close together and i want to push them away from each other how would i do that while still keeping them symmetrical?

[balmy barn]

select one leg, part , it wont be affected (own mesh now)

closest ive done to that is some shoes then just mirror it back later

another wierd way is to pose legs far apart then put it back later

[lusty parrot]

Heya, I'm having a problem where once I add custom playable layers, the lipsync wont work anymore or the eye tracking 😭

[round comet]

I use the mirror feature on the x axis for stuff like this sometimes

While sculpting

But yh, a mirror modifier may be the easiest

Then you just apply it later

[round comet]

Weird? Shouldn’t affect it. Is there anything in the layers that’d mess with facial expressions or stuff like that?

[lusty parrot]

None that i can think of, ive been trying it with other models too and the same issue comes up ::((

[round comet]

Yeah odd? Does it happen when adding default options in the playable layers? Like a newly created fx layer or something?

[lusty parrot]

Im just trying to add some animations to the actions layer, I dont know much about fx layers since im really new to all of this