avatar-help

[mild comet]

can someone help me please i cant figure out why my avatar is invisible

[somber sequoia]

could be a whole lot of things - is it invisible in unity?

[mild comet]

yup quest version

i put it in unity and nothing

i cant find its file

[ornate stump]

Invisible is a different definition from unable to look for file though. Are you sure you import unitypackage file correcrly?

[somber sequoia]

by "I put it in unity" what do you mean?

[mild comet]

Grabbed the avatars files and I put it into the unit package

[somber sequoia]

.. I'm not sure what you mean by that

you put what into what?

[mild comet]

I believe I did I see the mapping of the toggle but there's just no avatar

[ornate stump]

Do you mean you can't see avatar in the scene?

[somber sequoia]

or that you didn't open the creator's sample scene, or you didn't drag the model prefab into the scene, or...

[mild comet]

in here

[somber sequoia]

ok - did you install the shader which the creator says is a requirement?

[mild comet]

Ya I just see the toggles

Like mapping of the fizbones

[ornate stump]

Not even sure what you meant by that. Your terminologies are really off bit.

[mild comet]

Yup already done

[ornate stump]

Try focusing on object by double click the avatar object in hierarchy.

[mild comet]

Sorry my typing skills when it comes to unity are terrible

[somber sequoia]

ah I was just typing that

[mild comet]

this is what is happening

[somber sequoia]

looks like a material missing a shader

[ornate stump]

Missing shader should show magenta mesh. This looks like the mesh can't find its bone.

[somber sequoia]

yeah but I've seen cases where if you don't install the shader package, it'll just be missing too

[ornate stump]

When screenshoting, you should screenshot entire window. Some essential clues might be in inspector panel.

[mild comet]

I tried redownloading the file complete on my computer cuz maybe it glitched and it seem to be the case

[dim pulsar]

ok so in game i have a avatar i got in a avatar world and my friend can see the avatar but he can not see the toggles like i can see them myself like the aura and emotes but he can not see any of that we are both on quest

[somber meadow]

Do you own this avatar?

[dim pulsar]

No

[somber meadow]

Do other avatars you use sync their toggles to other people

[dim pulsar]

No they do now

not*

Idk what to do

[somber meadow]

Does your friend have your avatar fully shown by clicking the eyeball icon when selecting you

[dim pulsar]

What?

sorry i’m new to all this

[somber meadow]

I explained the steps

[dim pulsar]

Wdym selecting you tho

like in friends menu???

[somber meadow]

Open the Quick menu by pressing Y or B on controllers, and use the other hand to select a player in the game physically with the laser that it spawns

[dim pulsar]

Ok is it usually on or do you have to turn it on for the first time

[somber meadow]

you have to do it per person

[dim pulsar]

Ohhhhh ok

Thank you

[buoyant zodiac]

So i bought this robotic arm and wanted to use it with this outfit. however it clips through the sleeve. In the armature for the clothing, i scaled the left side down to 0 so it removes it, however when i test it out with gesture manager is just breaks. is there anyway to work around this without using blender?

[nova spade]

can someone help me idk how to make a bought avi pc and quest compatable

[blazing marlin]

is there a way to make a working scope for quest WITHOUT modded clients?

[somber meadow]

Modded SDKs can't add custom shaders anyway as they get stripped in the game client

either way, you unfortunately can't as scopes use custom shaders

[blazing marlin]

Yeah that's kinda what I figured. I just figured I'd ask if someone figured out a way to do it for quest avatars

Thank you though!

[dusk lance]

Okay whats going on with veiw position?

[ornate stump]

You didn't explain your problem.

[dusk lance]

I did a few hours ago, but it was ignored.

Anyways, the I hit Edit, and the little orb thats supposed to be a visual aid wont spawn

[ornate stump]

Have you enabled gizmos in the scene toolbar?

[dusk lance]

Fudge me I'm syupid, no I had not. Thank you

[thorny glen]

I don't know what I'm doing wrong or at all what I'm doing. Shoot me a messge if you know how I can fix this or if able to help. But I must call it a night and work on this after work tomorrow.

[junior void]

dont ask to be dm'ed, scammers are just waiting for that. your problem lies in the missing scripts from the objects "gogo loco" and "body sliders" - i assume the avis description/instructions said to install vrcfury but you missed that step. Best to check that text. it may also be in a readme file.

[spark walrus]

im not trying to develop an avatar, i already have one, im trying to upload an avatar (private custom avatar) and after i upload it and try to use it ingame it just gives me an error fallback avatar and i cant actually use it, but when i press "build and test" it lets me use it just fine

i think i saw it was saying "unsupported platform" when im using the windows/desktop version of vrchat

[austere knoll]

Do KAT text boxes still work I’m messing around trying to add one to a avatar and I followed the tutorial but now it won’t show up in the emulator or game

[west cipher]

its never taken this long to switch to android. can i just exit out without corrupting my project?

[gentle kernel]

@somber sequoia sorry for the ping but it didnt work..

[warped narwhal]

need name of ears and Horns, do yo thang

[gentle kernel]

adorable :3

[opaque jasper]

Hey, does anyone know if there is a limit of “stages” for the quick action menu? I have a plan that might be insane

[gentle kernel]

eyes are not under "head" how can i change this

[junior void]

in blender reparent the eye bones to the head

[gentle kernel]

oki

they are already parented

which one should i select here

its about it i guess

[junior void]

click on the little green bone in the bottom right menu and see "relations" -> parent

the parent should be listing head

[gentle kernel]

its head

[junior void]

i dont know what to tell you

in unity it isnt

so maybe you forgot to export last time you changed this?

i wouldnt know

[gentle kernel]

its about selecting the parenting on pose mode i guess

i will try

[junior void]

pose mode has nothing to do with this

[gentle kernel]

hmmm

[sick thistle]

When i try to upload an avatar someone gifted me for quest one of my avatars says security checks failed, and I can’t seem to get the quest version to upload so I can use it. Is there anything i could try?

[junior void]

does it have funky statistics?

[sick thistle]

It won’t show any stats for the avatar because it said security checks failed. It only showed security checks failed after I attempted to upload the quest version of a sfw version of my avatar under the same name as the pc version hoping it would enable the avatar for both quest and pc

[balmy barn]

upload offline version (switch to pc to get this since android cannot do it) , get compression/uncompression stats, otherwise use sdk to look at everything else

[gentle kernel]

its kinda fixed but the eyes dont move 😭

[sick thistle]

What stats should I look for that may be funky that I should try to correct, or what do I need to capture to send a screenshot back when I do get on pc again later?

[balmy barn]

most of the time it fails cause its above 10mb compressed,

[junior void]

moving with a bone requires weight painting. make sure each eye is weighted to its respective bone

[gentle kernel]

should i paint it red or blue?

they are red

[junior void]

wrong bone

why is left eye bone painted to right eyeball

see the issue

[gentle kernel]

ohhh....

im a stoopid

i fixed it

[sick thistle]

Also do I name the quest version of my avatar the same as my pc version and when the quest version uploads it should show both circles colored in when looking at avatar compatibility?

[junior void]

once you put the same avatar id into your quest one as is in the pc one, the sdk will fill in the name and what not from the already present pc version anyway

they share this data

[sick thistle]

Okay, I’ll try to see if I can fix it later, thanks for the help zero and thulen

[gentle kernel]

still it doesnt work..

[junior void]

im unsure if the eye bones need to be mapped in the humanoid rig for the eyelook to work

but maybe check?

[gentle kernel]

how can i do that

[gentle kernel]

ok ok i fixed it :]

[fiery tiger]

So lets say I want to make something like a deck of cards I can draw from for my avatar. I know half of the method to do this would be to use the parameter driver to randomize a value for each bool (if i wanna be lazy but unoptimized theres probably a way to do it with a float). But where im stuck is stopping it from drawing the same card. Like for example if the parameter driver randomizes it to the bool that draw the king of hearts two times in a row, so its drawn twice. How would i prevent something like that from happening?

[fallow gulch]

This might be helpful for this:
https://notes.sleightly.dev/justsleightly/Unique-RNG-Cam-4b49d9a1fc624caf8a2e279192721400

It's a layer for generating unique random numbers

[gentle kernel]

what can i do? some people in the forums say i should play the game a bit

[junior void]

?upload

[flat musk]

You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

[gentle kernel]

tysm

[civic wadi]

i installed everything and imported the model but i cant find mmd options (sorry its been a while i had school)

[desert elk]

follow the video Thulen sent later

remember to generate the visemes and rotate eye bones cause I forgot about that

it's in the video

[gentle kernel]

is there a way to divide the ear bones (they have one bones each one) so they move more smoothly? (unity)

[desert elk]

I think that's a blender job

[gentle kernel]

oof ikr..

thats why im asking cuz i have to make the model from the start again

[desert elk]

you don't need to make it from scratch

import the ears to blender, make the current bone smaller, add more bones, weight paint all bones properly. Done

[gentle kernel]

pls tell me cuz i made the model from scratch like more than 20 times

ohhh

ty

how can i import the ears?

[desert elk]

file > import

and I'm guessing your ears are fbx

to import > fbx

[civic wadi]

wait when did he send the video?

[desert elk]

here

I would just skip translating since it tends to be buggy

[civic wadi]

thx

[desert elk]

other than that you can follow the video and you've got everything done as it should be

[gentle kernel]

can you send a tutorial video if you know one cuz i cant figure it out

[desert elk]

file > import > fbx

[civic wadi]

how do i fix these issues?

[desert elk]

set the rig as humanoid

[civic wadi]

aight

[desert elk]

click your fbx in the assets

rig > humanoid > apply

later you'll go rig > configure and correct things that got wrongly assigned (most often it's a random bone in the jaw section) > and apply again

[gentle kernel]

i already did this but it ruined the model when i imported it back to unity

big oof

[desert elk]

what are your export settings?
and did you import it or override the previous file?

[civic wadi]

i did it but the errors are still there

[gentle kernel]

i guess i did it this time

[desert elk]

do you have the correct model selected in the SDK?

[civic wadi]

yeah

i have the right model selected

[desert elk]

do you have something here? in the inspector

when you click on your avatar in the hierarchy

[civic wadi]

yeah

[desert elk]

are there other errors besides the animator one?

[civic wadi]

yeah

it says there are too many triangles

[desert elk]

that's an error connected to a different one

that number only shows up if you have other errors to go with it

try switching the rig to generic, apply, and switch to humanoid again and apply

[civic wadi]

ok

still there

those are the only errors

[desert elk]

are sure you have the correct avi selected in the sdk?

[civic wadi]

yup

[desert elk]

cause i don't have any other ideas

[civic wadi]

i have the fbx from blender not the one from the converter

[desert elk]

yeah

[civic wadi]

thats what is selected

[desert elk]

the only thing i can suggest if making a fresh project, without any other avatars

[civic wadi]

aight

[junior void]

I'm late to the party but the triangle error can be fixed if you select "read/write" in the fbx import settings. As for the animator, it must be on the root of the avatar, same wih the avatar descriptor. they cannot be on meshes or other parts of the avi

[spark walrus]

Is it worth it to learn how to edit textures in substance painter

Should I learn how to edit textures in substance painter is a better question i think

[white jungle]

it's a good feather to have in your hat if you enjoy working on custom avatars, but I wouldn't pay for SP just to texture 1 avatar - cheaper to commission it.

Blender has a built in texture editor which allows you to paint onto a mesh like SP, but lacks some of the more advanced tools n features. Granted, you can use photoshop or GIMP to achieve the same effects, but it requires jumping between multiple programs which slows the process down.

One advantage to using Blender and PS/GIMP instead of SP is if you modify the avatar's mesh, you do not have to start over - with SP, if the FBX changes you have to completely redo the texture.

[somber sequoia]

I really like it and you certainly can do it in 2D, but there are other (some free) tools for doing this in 3D also, such as ArmorPaint (free if you compile it, paid but cheap otherwise) or blender add-ons LayerPainter and ucuPaint.

[spark walrus]

I want to add detail to my skin like this for example. This would be texture work right?

[balmy barn]

normals + matcap

[junior void]

shader settings mostly

like i told you 3 days ago

[spark walrus]

that's very vague and could mean literally anything

[buoyant zodiac]

Pushing this down, still need help

[spark walrus]

Are these model specific?

[spark walrus]

I doubt it

[buoyant zodiac]

Shoot

[junior void]

well, did you scale it in a local or global fashion

[buoyant zodiac]

Idk what either of that is

[junior void]

if you used the gizmo and scaled it towards the word center, yea this would happen

[buoyant zodiac]

Just set scale to 0

[plucky bridge]

Quick question, I just got a DM from a friend that I uploaded an avatar for and they said that all the toggles stopped working. I just checked the unity file and they seem to work fine there, any ideas on what the issue could be?

[buoyant zodiac]

I went into the models armature and found the left shoulder and scaled it to 0

Is there any other possible way to do this?

[white jungle]

there's layers to the answer. To add tats and such to the avatar, yes that would be editing the texture. To make it look like the other one, you would need to make or get what's called a 'normal map' which is a special texture that tells the game engine how light should interact with the surface of the model. That is a lot harder to do. If you are lucky, one already exists for the model? Matcap is 'material capture', referring to setting up the material in Unity to include this normal map etc instead of just the base texture.

[balmy barn]

normals just material setting , bottom is what happens when its off , many people use it on skins (masking part of the texture so it doesnt affect everything - just a black/white or rgb texture)

[spark walrus]

My model is not very well used and has none on the market

[white jungle]

To make a normal map for it would require Blender, there's some good writeups on the process but it's not as easy and clicking through a few menus. Think of a normal map like one of those shirts with muscles printed on it - you apply it to your avatar to make it look tone and defined, but underneath it is still smooth. To create that 'shirt' you need to actually create a high poly version of the avatar that is tone and defined, then bake or 'take a picture' of the toned up body which you will apply to your avatar. There are some shortcuts, but making the high poly version of the base avatar will take a lot of time and skill. More of a couple weeks to couple months project depending on how experienced you are / how fast you learn.

[somber sequoia]

you can paint normals too

[junior void]

that usually comes out shit tho

[white jungle]

sure can, that's one of the shortcuts. Another is to take pieces of an existing normal and modify it to work with your avi.

[somber sequoia]

works for a lot of things, but I wouldn't for muscles

[spark walrus]

Is there a good tutorial on YouTube or something

[quasi briar]

if you're talking about the glitter, that's a glitter component in Poiyomi

it's not very hard to set up

[somber sequoia]

https://www.poiyomi.com/special-fx/glitter

[quasi briar]

All glitter

[arctic ginkgo]

unless you want a painted look

[buoyant thorn]

how can I make 2 animations

one that goes into the looped animation and then it loops afterwards Ive made the animations but how do I even set that up in the animator

[spark walrus]

The whole thing. Shadows, highlights, the skin looks like the color has different colors in different spots like the light is hitting it or something

[quasi briar]

That could literally just be world lighting but you can also get that effect from Poiyomi's rim lighting option

I really recommend reading up on the Poiyomi documents, it's a very robust shader that can do almost anything you want for this

[white jungle]

This is how to bake a normal map
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3lwBDtC0ic

[fiery crow]

look into environmental rim lighting

[spark walrus]

I have my rim lighting on a Grey color

[fiery crow]

and test with spec & reflections values

for that glitter affect, youll need to set your angle value very low and increase denisty

[somber sequoia]

I do need to play with the angle more in the glitter section

[quasi briar]

My avatar keeps disappearing in unity when I look at it from a certain angle, I thought at first it's the bounding box but it's nicely fitted to the avatar. https://i.imgur.com/X5wFAVy.gif

[white jungle]

are the bounds of all the parts good? have to check all meshes under the avi prefab

[quasi briar]

The only mesh that's disappearing is the body, so that's the only one I checked, and it's fine. If the other meshes aren't disappearing do I need to check them still?

Everything else looks fine

When I'm in play mode, the bounds are super tiny, but when I'm not in play mode they're normal.. wtf?

[white jungle]

Does it vanish in Unity only or VRC too? if just unity, try checking 'update when offscreen' on body mesh

[quasi briar]

Haven't checked in vrc yet

I'll upload now I suppose

[white jungle]

doesnt hurt to check the box

[quasi briar]

True

[past beacon]

does anyone know why the face customization blendshapes that i make in Unity doesnt take effect after uploading to vrc?

[gentle kernel]

how can i prevent the hair from getting inside of the head (physbones)

[somber sequoia]

angle limiters on the hair (usually my preference) or put a collider on the head

[quasi briar]

Add an angle limiter

[gentle kernel]

thanks for suggestions!

im really glad that this community is so wholesome and helpful :3

[white jungle]

are they effected by a animation tied to a parameter? for example, if you are changing the eye shape in unity, but the avatar has a parameter for the eye shape that will take precedent ingame

[orchid plume]

So, I got some textures for an Avatar and they come with a base Color, and a Metallic, I set my material to Poiyomipro and put the base color texture in TEXTURE, but I do not know where to put the metallic one

[past beacon]

i have face tracking on it but the blendshapes im changing are not facetracking blendshapes just eye, mouth customization blendshapes

[somber sequoia]

it's under Shading -> Reflections & Specular

https://www.poiyomi.com/shading/reflections-and-specular

[orchid plume]

Ah okay, thank you

Now there also 2nd body base Color and 2nd Body metallic which look the same as the first ones, what do i do with thoses?

[somber sequoia]

no idea what those would be without looking

[civic wadi]

ive been retrying for a while and whenever i import the avatar back into unity it ends up like all white

[somber sequoia]

probably you just haven't applied any materials yet

[civic wadi]

idk bc the first image is what it looks like in unity and the second is blender

[somber sequoia]

yep, apply materials, they apparently aren't embedded, and you don't really want the embedded ones anyway (they can't be edited)

[civic wadi]

how do you apply materials?

[somber sequoia]

I'd watch a basic avatar setup tutorial for this

[civic wadi]

ok

[livid palm]

does anyone know how to fix this? the fx layer clearly shows the custom gesture, but in the second ss being in play mode, it's the default hand gestures

[orchid plume]

Where would I put Body_Emissive & Tail_Emis?

[somber sequoia]

you don't move humanoid bones (i.e. hands here) in the FX layer, you do that in the Gesture layer

[somber sequoia]

again without knowing exactly what that is, this is a guess, but emissions are under special FX

[livid palm]

I look into that, thank you

[civic wadi]

i looked it up and the materials on my avatar when its in blender arent there in unity

[idle quartz]

can i ask substance painter questions here?

[somber sequoia]

sure

maybe you'll even get answers 🙂

[idle quartz]

so i have a base but all the colors are on a fill layer

and im trying to change colors of something but it wont erase

[junior void]

Change, erase, which one

[idle quartz]

theres a line of one color on a certain layer that i want to erase to expose the layer beneath it

[somber sequoia]

probably we'd need to know what kind of layer and if there is a mask and how it's used

[junior void]

A picture would help

[idle quartz]

yea i was tryna look at how to view masks but i couldnt figure it out

and sure lemme take a picture

[somber sequoia]

alt+click on the mask in the layer, it's the right of the two little images, if present

[idle quartz]

the two layers in question are dark markings and arm color

i added the paint layers to try and work with it

[somber sequoia]

Looks like both mask and a texture, probably you'd need to paint black over the spots you want to eliminate with a paint layer on the mask

[idle quartz]

the mask is the black circle?

omg

[somber sequoia]

in any given layer, the left image is the texture or color you see, right is the mask

[idle quartz]

ok but how do i change the color to black to paint it

[somber sequoia]

it should be in the tool options when you have a paint layer selected

[junior void]

Arent those generators

[somber sequoia]

I don't see any listed there?

[idle quartz]

so wheres tool options

[somber sequoia]

not visible in that image

[somber sequoia]

"texture set settings" I think? starting substance to check

[idle quartz]

oki

[somber sequoia]

(I just do, I forget what it says)

[junior void]

Try a right click in the scene

[idle quartz]

this program is very complicated

[somber sequoia]

yeah right click in the 2D view should get you that too

ah not texture set settings - I have a "Properties" box in mine

[idle quartz]

tho there isnt a color thingy

i scrolled

[junior void]

I believe the window is under "window" or "tools" or something to dock it

[somber sequoia]

window -> views -> properties

[junior void]

Like i said. "Or something " lmao

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you clicked on here, a fill layer maybe?

[somber sequoia]

I had to look!

[idle quartz]

i was wondering why it disappeared aand couldnt get it back

[idle quartz]

its a paint

i see greyscale at the bottom but it doesnt change anything

[somber sequoia]

oh you have to be in a mode which is applying paint - toolbar on the very left, pick paint or something

but if you have greyscale that's what you should have for painting in a mask

you might have to set that paint layer to the right mode, probably "replace"

(again, depends on what you're going for)

[idle quartz]

thats the color it makes

[somber sequoia]

yes, because you've selected white

[idle quartz]

where do i change that

[somber sequoia]

greyscale right there

[idle quartz]

the slider is on the black

changing it to white puts the same color

[civic wadi]

im still having trouble with my avatar not having any textures when i put it into unity

[somber sequoia]

oh you're probably seeing what's below then

[somber sequoia]

You still have to apply textures and materials in Unity. You can go to the "materials" tab in the inspector for the FBX file and export what's embedded by blender, if there is anything. But if not, then you'd have to embed them or just create new materials with the textures you have in Unity.

[idle quartz]

wouldnt black show up below since thats the color of the layer below it?

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what's below it from here, and you have to consider all layers below.

[junior void]

Generally, white: color, black: no color. Thats how masks work, they dictate where color is 0 or 1, hence grayscale. The color itself would be picked on the fill layer to the left, not on the mask itself. A fill layer might have a smart material applied, which you can edit in the right click menu

I hope that helps make it clear

[idle quartz]

it does i just want to make that little line black now so it isnt included with the mask

[somber sequoia]

I found that not much about substance was clear until suddenly it was all clear

[idle quartz]

but the paint uses a grey color

[junior void]

Brushes have hardness. Maybe your brish is set soft or with little opacity

Top left

[idle quartz]

lets see

[junior void]

Hardness is in the right click menu

[idle quartz]

opacity is 100% and hardness doesnt affect the color of it much

[junior void]

Whats your grey scale selection set to

[idle quartz]

the slider?

it says uniform color under greyscale

the slider hasnt affected anything

[spark walrus]

i opened my unity project and everything is gone wtf

[junior void]

From this point on id have to see this myself

[idle quartz]

are you available for a vc to screenshare?

[junior void]

Not atm, its 7 pm for me and im in bed on my phone

[idle quartz]

ah oki

[spark walrus]

looks better?

[orchid plume]

So I have my Synced Parameters over max since I added textures, how can I fix it so it won't be maxed out without removing anything?

[night ember]

youd need to remove stuff

[orchid plume]

The issue is I don't know what's important and what's not, I'm using the Kyoko base by FoxiPaws

[night ember]

you remove the parameter it fucks up said toggle

[lone flax]

I rotated my avatar then added the descriptor and Idk if the view is going to be aimed the right way, I placed it where the eyes on the avatar are but will it be okay?

[idle quartz]

just going to bump my question
how do i color with black on this mask because i add a paint tool to it and it shows as grey

[spark walrus]

i dont see her eyes?

[night ember]

rotated it how

[lone flax]

left and right

[night ember]

not what I meant

[junior void]

Why use a paint layer

Just paint on the mask itself

[idle quartz]

how do dat

[lone flax]

what did you mean?

[night ember]

in unity or what

[lone flax]

yea in unity

[night ember]

you cant do that

[junior void]

Delete the paint sublayer and select the black circle one

[night ember]

youd need to rotate it in blender

[junior void]

Should work

[lone flax]

so it's okay then?

I didn't know if the view would be looking through the back of the head or smth

[idle quartz]

nop :<

[night ember]

you would need to take it into blender and rotate it that way to face -y

[wind skiff]

or mark some as unsynced

[idle quartz]

would it be because it has a fill layer aand i cant color ontop of that?

[lone flax]

alr thx

[timid kite]

cant upload gives me this error

[junior void]

Just to be clear, i meant this

Not the black material orb

[idle quartz]

yus i clicked that but i cant draw anything

[somber sequoia]

you can't draw on fill layers

need a paint layer

[junior void]

Isnt that a mask though kaz

[idle quartz]

ye its a mask

[junior void]

On a mask, you can draw but its black and white

Depending on the type (black mask or white mask) you can draw and either add color coverage with black or white

You do not paint color on a mask

You add white or black and the material (in this case the black orb) will be revealed or covered out where you painted

[idle quartz]

the issue is it doesnt let me add black

or anything

[junior void]

Show us?

[idle quartz]

lemme record

[somber sequoia]

I just got back from lunch, was looking at only the last pic and not sure what got clicked on. You can draw directly onto the mask, yes.

[idle quartz]

ignore the overlay i stream lol

@junior void

[junior void]

What if you pick white instead and paint anywhere

[idle quartz]

a white mask?

[junior void]

No

Right click

The gray slider at the bottom

[idle quartz]

no

neither does full black

[junior void]

If you turn off the fill layer below it, does either the white or black parts disappear

The eye icon

[idle quartz]

white

i also can see this

the stuff i drew

[junior void]

I am confused about the setup here lol

[idle quartz]

same

[junior void]

It makes no sense to me, sorry

This is a pupper?

[idle quartz]

x doggo

by tosca

[grand scaffold]

It kinda looks like you're painting on the black mask even though the mask has a fill layer below it. If you add a paint layer above the fill layer on the mask, and paint with that selected does it work right?

[idle quartz]

when i do that it uses a grey color and the greyscale ddoesnt work

[idle quartz]

thats what happened here

[spark walrus]

i got the shiny skin

[idle quartz]

i figured it out

[grand scaffold]

If you set the paint layer from Norm to multiply it might fix it?

[idle quartz]

im so stupid

[grand scaffold]

oh?

[idle quartz]

i was fucking with the greyscale on the right side which i guess wasnt for the mask paint

[somber sequoia]

ohhh

[idle quartz]

i just right clicked and changed dthe greyscale on this paint

2 hours of my life gone for a slider

end me

[somber sequoia]

hey at least it was only 2

[grand scaffold]

at least you've learnt something

[somber sequoia]

I could easily tell you stories of wasting days trying to debug the wrong thing 🙂

[junior void]

You caused me to doubt myself so hard

Can i choke you please 😂

[junior void]

I even said it

[idle quartz]

i have learned what a mask is

[junior void]

Hahaha

[idle quartz]

which i think is important

its my first day so

[somber sequoia]

hugely important

[grand scaffold]

Oooh fair, It took me a while to even get used to the viewport naviation

[austere bay]

anyone know why the armpit of this shirt looks like this? topology and normals are fine so im not sure

[somber sequoia]

ugh that annoys me still

[junior void]

If that makes you feel better, my first ssp project i didnt even manage to add paint at all

I quit after 3 hrs

[grand scaffold]

xd, It took me like 6 months but my brain subconsciously switches from blender to substance now

[grand scaffold]

All part of the process xd

[junior void]

The best part is how blender ssp and unity all have different keys to navigate in 3d space

[spark walrus]

how to fix the lips?

[somber sequoia]

it's so awesome 😭

[weak token]

Has anyone been able to solve this issue yet?

Exporting a model from Blender to Unity causes the blendshapes to break at some areas when Legacy Blendshape Normals is enabled. Using Calculate or import doesn't work for this since it completely messes up the shading, and exporting while smoothing faces or edges screws up the materials even further.

Even using methods like auto smooth in Blender hasn't worked out, and I don't remember this being such an issue before. Redoing the blendshapes that are broken isn't an option because most of them have this error somewhere.

This is the error given for it

[somber sequoia]

Try to export from blender setting "Smoothing" (under Geometry) to "Face", then use Import

[junior void]

hehehe

[somber sequoia]

I'm gonna keep saying it now that it works great for me, thanks again Zero 🙂

[junior void]

Im glad its so useful

[somber sequoia]

yeah, works quite well

something must have changed in one of the blender versions and I didn't notice, I didn't have to do this before.

[junior void]

I remember i had googled this for days and found the hint on some really shady page with adult content for ads in a plastered manner

[somber sequoia]

haha nice

[desert elk]

you need to edit the texture I guess

[orchid plume]

My avatar is stuck in the animation/motorcycle pose and I don't know how to make her stand up again, When i look it up it says switch to the Tpose on the controller but I couldn't find a TPose asset when I searched

[somber sequoia]

Pumkin's tools has a reset thing.

[mild solar]

in the animation tab at the bottom, pressing preview puts the avatar in and out of bike pose. if pressing ‘preview’ doesn’t work, try going to the avatar fbx in project window, go to configure, you can enforce tpose in the pose section.

it’s usually recommended when doing animations to make a copy/paste of the avatar and use the copy to make the animations because sometimes characters get stuck in bike pose

[junior void]

It wont get stuck if you remember to click preview to get out

[somber sequoia]

that's my method

[junior void]

It gets stuck when you switch out of the window

Same

[somber sequoia]

usually it works 🙂

[junior void]

Never failed me

[somber sequoia]

oh the method works every time

it's the me that remembers to do it 99.99%

[junior void]

Lol

[orchid plume]

Preview didn't work, and i don't see the Enforce TPose option

[somber sequoia]

Rig tab, click "Configure", and it's at the bottom under "Pose"

[sharp blade]

I found that trick while watching a video on how to lower Polly count

[junior void]

Gfu

[neat frigate]

Hi ! Does anyone know how this lighting cast effect could be achieved from emissions ? I would like to have my avatar emission lights reflect on my body not necessarily other ppl or world

[junior void]

🍞

[balmy barn]

world postprocessing , it looks blurry for me so usually its turned off

bloom set to euw

test your av with this and emissions https://github.com/hai-vr/lightbox-viewer

[neat frigate]

hmm and how is it setup in unity ?

[balmy barn]

its just a test, world pp bloom makes it super shiney , few have it

[oak bone]

Try turning off Blender's auto smooth feature by instead switching to shade smooth

[mossy jacinth]

Does anyone know where i can find the PC grab animation in the folders? i wanna use it to make my gun props aimable for PC users

[buoyant thorn]

how can I go from start up animation with exit time into a looped animation in the animtor layer

can I just make an empty transition and it will go there automatically?

[orchid plume]

Clicking Enforce TPose didn't fix it, still stuck in pose, but I just did the Pumpkin's tools like you said and that fixed it, thanks

[somber sequoia]

ah good

[brittle karma]

hello, i have a problem to upload a avatar

[somber sequoia]

show the first 2-3 messages, at the top, most of these are side-effects

[balmy barn]

reinstall/delete , some script error my guess (or you have duplicates)

[brittle karma]

i find nothing script

sorry my english is bad

[balmy barn]

vcc have it

[brittle karma]

yes, i have

but how to use it ?

[balmy barn]

its broken or old , remove it or update to newer version

wrong unity version can also throw this error

right one > https://unity.com/releases/editor/whats-new/2022.3.22

[brittle karma]

my avatar work only on 2019 version

[balmy barn]

no such thing , creators label it wrong , it wont explode on 2022

[desert elk]

You need to update it. 2019 is not used anymore

[brittle karma]

it work after remove, thanks

but

[solar harness]

@somber jasper Sorry for the ping, but I need some help. When I try to go into play mode, I'm told that I must fix all compiler errors first, how?

[somber sequoia]

it's rounded, unfortunately

[balmy barn]

you can throw vrcfury blendshape optimizer on it and hope it shrinks enough for a 10mb

i notice 300kb to 3mb difference sometime

got no clue if newer vrcfury would like 2019 tho 🐇

[brittle karma]

where can I find it ?

[somber sequoia]

vrcfury.com

[mental estuary]

The latest release is always compatible with 2019

[proper orbit]

anybody ever had this issue? the eye start to scrunch. its not an fbx issue and its happening with both avatars i have in this project idk how to fix it

[junior void]

Maybe a blendshape?

[buoyant thorn]

asking again how do I make an animation thats exit timed to simulate a start up of something transition into a looped animation (idle) in the animator layer

[lone flax]

I keep getting this error when trying to upload my avatar :(

[Always] Attempted to load the data for an avatar we do not own, clearing blueprint ID
UnityEngine.Debug:Log (object,UnityEngine.Object)
VF.Hooks.SuppressBlueprintWarningHook:Prefix (object,UnityEngine.Object) (at ./Packages/com.vrcfury.vrcfury/Editor/VF/Hooks/SuppressBlueprintWarningHook.cs:24)
(wrapper dynamic-method) UnityEngine.Debug:UnityEngine.Debug.LogError_Patch1 (object,UnityEngine.Object)
VRC.Core.Logger:LogError (string,VRC.Core.DebugLevel,UnityEngine.Object)
VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<HandleAvatarSwitch>d__86:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:1392)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar>:SetException (System.Exception) VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/<GetAvatar>d__31:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:573) System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar>:SetException (System.Exception)
VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/<Get>d__171<VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar>:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:378) System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar>:SetException (System.Exception)
VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/<MakeRequest>d__162<object, VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar>:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:341) System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<System.ValueTuple2<VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar, System.Net.Http.HttpResponseMessage>>:SetException (System.Exception) VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/<MakeRequestWithResponse>d__152<object, VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar>:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:332)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext:ExecuteTasks ()

[hoary echo]

In Unity's Animator for VRChat, you can set up a transition from your startup animation to your idle loop using 'Has Exit Time' so the startup fully plays before switching. Make sure the idle animation is set to loop, and adjust the transition settings to avoid blending issues. If you're using layers, ensure the weight is properly set for smooth transitions.

[somber sequoia]

is that the only error?

[lone flax]

I'm pretty sure

[somber sequoia]

so in the console at the upper right, the red error indicator says 1?

[lone flax]

nvm 22 💀

[somber sequoia]

paste the first 2-3, just the summaries, you don't need the full debug trace

[proper orbit]

its not iv checked

[lone flax]

so the last 3 that are there?

[somber sequoia]

first being at the top, it almost never starts with that blueprint one

if that's actually the first and happens again if you clear the console and try again, then maybe you do actually have the wrong blueprint ID 🙂

[heavy cipher]

hey does anyone have some brains on substance painter? i need some help 😭

[lone flax]

their all to do about the shader I have on my avatar

[buoyant thorn]

I put the animation in with a empty transition with 1 on exit time but it doesnt do anything just skips to the loop

[hoary echo]

Check if the startup animation's length matches the exit time. Also, ensure 'Fixed Duration' is enabled in the transition. If it's still skipping, try increasing the transition duration slightly and confirm that the animation itself isn't set to loop. If you're using an override layer, make sure the weight is set correctly.

[hoary echo]

Let me know what happens next

[heavy cipher]

Does anyone have any knowlage on substance painter? im trying to export my textures to my unity project but im not 100% sure how to

[buoyant thorn]

can I dm you btw for this?

[hoary echo]

Yeah

[shell minnow]

if you click under the top file dropdown menu there should be a button that says export textures
Click that and it should open a new window, choose where to export the textures to and then click the export button in the bottom right when youre ready :3

[heavy cipher]

but it gives me errors :((

let me show

[buoyant thorn]

I sent a friend request

ur dms are off

[hoary echo]

When exporting from Substance Painter, make sure you're using the right output template for Unity. The 'Unity HDRP' or 'Unity Standard Metallic' preset usually works, depending on your project. Export your textures, then in Unity, assign them to your material in the correct slots (Albedo, Normal, Metallic, etc.). If you're using HDRP, you might need to adjust the mask map.

[somber sequoia]

Poiyomi has a nice export template in their docs, I based my personalized one on that

[shell minnow]

I tried to build and test my avatar and when I did so it resulted in this. I have no clue what would have caused this. If anyone knows what the reason for this could be that would be amazing 😭

[somber sequoia]

(I have Substance generate packed metallic/roughness/etc maps for me)

[heavy cipher]

im still very new to avatar making so im not fully familiar with poiyomi

[dark jay]

How do i make a tail with physbones and a wagging animation freeze with a toggle i wanted to move it in front of my character as a tail weapon

Im working on jane doe

[somber sequoia]

disable the physbone component when you want it to stop having physics affect it

[sweet pulsar]

Are scripts allowed I am going to tie the "eye" bone to uv offset to give an illusion of eye movement for 2D eyes

[somber sequoia]

scripts are not allowed but you can animate those parameters on your material

[sweet pulsar]

Thank you

[spark walrus]

I think my avi looks good now especially for my first attempt at making one

[dark jay]

how do i freeze it in a position that isnt where it is

[timid kite]

ApiErrorException: Exception of type 'VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.ApiErrorException' was thrown.

what do i do

[somber sequoia]

possibly a parent constraint, if you have some object at the target position. Possibly simply animate rotation of the bones

[somber sequoia]

If there are errors in your console, paste the first 2-3 - this one by itself is not of any use unfortunately

[somber sequoia]

those are literally the first (top) ones? If so, that's also not very useful 😦

[timid kite]

sorry >< this is the full list i guess

[somber sequoia]

just looking for red errors, so you were good the first time. Sorry it's not something obvious.

[timid kite]

thank u for trying to help. what do u think is wrong? i cant seem to upload

[somber sequoia]

I don't know

[west kestrel]

trying to add a camera to my avatar that doesnt change my viewpoints location, but can be set to the camera. but i cant find out how to do it

[shell minnow]

Just used my camera to get a better look at everything, and this is what my avatar looks like
If anyone has any idea whats happening here and could help that would be great 😭

[spark walrus]

How to remove this spot of tattoo without removing the whole thing?

[visual dirge]

both unity refuses to lunch when i was try lunch my prject pls vroid crashs when i try to extract the avi

[desert elk]

How big is your Avi? it could be that your pc isn't strong enough to handle the export

[supple needle]

Can someone help me out with this ?? I textured an avatar in blender and it looked fine. But when I moved it to unity it’s not the same and is everywhere ??? How do I make it look the same in unity as it does in blender

[somber sequoia]

did you put the textures into the Unity material?

[desert elk]

find out what part of the texture is for that tattoo (I guess you could do that with UV maps in blender, Google it or ask someone else for help since idk much about those) and remove that part from the texture

[supple needle]

Yes

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what those images are showing, they're totally different

[supple needle]

The first one is in blender, the other is in unity

[supple needle]

The texture looks completely fine in blender but then it’s just all scattered in unity

[somber sequoia]

well you have totally different shaders, at least. but I don't see what you mean by scattered in those pics. perhaps take screenshots instead of using your camera, and have the avatars setup the same (clothing on or off in both, etc)

[desert elk]

that's my idea, maybe there's a different way I'm not sure

[desert elk]

try either reducing materials or messing with the sliders in "Reduce Polygons"
as a test, you can set them to max (your Avi will look bad) and try exporting, if it crashes again, then I have no idea what could be the problem. You could try asking the VRoid discord

[supple needle]

Could it have something to do with the scale of the avatar ?? Because when I exported it from unity as an FBX, it was huge in blender. Also, the clothes for it aren’t even like on the body in blender, they’re on like the floor 😭

[somber sequoia]

sounds like you have a number of issues here

[supple needle]

Lemme try to take a pic of it

They’re just on the floor.. and they look a lot smaller than the body

I had the same issue a while back with chibi nova

[balmy barn]

snip and paste into discord very handy

[somber sequoia]

probably you have transforms (rotation, maybe also scale) on your mesh objects, you should have all objects have the same.

[mental estuary]

This should be a sticker

I have slots in VRCOSC's server...

Fuck it

[supple needle]

I’m not concerned about anything really but the texture. I only imported it into blender to re-texture because I’m def not paying for substance

I just dunno how to make it fit right in unity 😭

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what difference you're referring to from those images, sorry

[civic wadi]

@desert elk yo ive been tryin to get the avatar to work in unity and when i import the fbx from blender it removes all the colors and puts the camera all the way up in the right like 5 ft away from the avatar

[supple needle]

Maybe this is better. The tail in unity is totally blacked out.. it’s supposed to look like the image on the right

[somber sequoia]

which shader?

[supple needle]

Toon I think

[desert elk]

the textures won't be included unless you set the path mode in export to Copy and press the symbol next to it so it's blue. If not, you'll need to import the textures manually. And if by camera you need the view point, you can move it, otherwise idk what camera could mean

[civic wadi]

yeah the viewpoint is like in the top right

[desert elk]

you can move it, in the inspector there's a setting

[civic wadi]

aight thx

[supple needle]

Here’s another example of the belly. The right side is what it’s supposed to look like- and it just doesn’t look like that in unity

I don’t understand if it’s an issue with the UV unwrap or if it’s a scaling thing

[civic wadi]

i did it and put it into unity but its still colorless

[desert elk]

you need to extract the textures

[civic wadi]

?

[desert elk]

click your avatar fbx in the assets in unity

go to materials in the inspector? it's the last option, I forget what it's called

and then extract textures, extract materials

[somber sequoia]

Looks like the blender one has normals and such and from what I can see from the unity version (which isn't that much there), it doesn't, or you have a toon shader rather than realistic

A toon shader is going to make you look like a cartoon, that's the point.

[keen crystal]

chat i have questions about retexturing

i want to edit textures as a png but theyre alvailable as a rar

[somber sequoia]

unrar them?

[mossy jacinth]

redrag the fbx into the scene

assuming you just copy pasted the fbx

[proper orbit]

Yea but I’d have to re set everything up I’m trying to avoid doing that

[mossy jacinth]

at least you can copy and paste component values :D

i hope you find an easier solution and if you do pls ping me cus i experiance similar issues

[civic wadi]

i got the textures and camera to work but it wont work in VR

[desert elk]

what do you mean?

[civic wadi]

it says that its a pc only avatar

[desert elk]

you need upload it to quest as well

[civic wadi]

how?

[desert elk]

if you don't care about it looking pretty, just switch the platform to android in the SDK (if it's not available you need to install android build support), and change the material shaders to be quest compatible

and upload it again

[keen crystal]

oh i figured it out but theyre all psd files and I dont have photoshop so ig maybe nvm ;-;

[desert elk]

if you do care about it looking good (aka, not having black parts and stuff), there's some more things you'd need to do

[civic wadi]

like what?

[somber sequoia]

you may be able to load those into GIMP

[keen crystal]

ooh i can try

[desert elk]

oh a lot, for the basics, put eye highlight on top of the eye iris texture, feel the background of the eye iris texture with the colour of your eye whites. You could get away with putting the skin colour under the eyelashes/eyeliner and eyebrows textures, if it clips you'll need to use the knife tool in blender. If you're not fully colouring in the textures in VRoid, you'll need to use the knife tool in blender to fit the mesh to the texture. If you have for example, pants that have a hole in them, again, put the skin colour underneath that hole

lots of stuff basically, VRoid isn't the greatest when it comes to quest avatars because it relies a lot on transparency and cutout which quest shaders don't support

[serene wing]

I’m having problems with my texture crunching, I imported a model that I made that’s a vroid model and I’m trying to crunch and get rid of other textures that’s not needed, but it won’t let me delete them.

It won’t let me edit the textures either that’s from the model

[north sonnet]

Can someone help me pls ?

[buoyant zodiac]

ur cooked buddy 😭 🙏 happned to me and i just restarted

[north sonnet]

I need to everything back ?

like all the avatar i download

again

[buoyant zodiac]

nah tbh just wait for someone who knows how to help lol

just teasing

[north sonnet]

Hey

Do you think i need both shaders ?

[buoyant zodiac]

thats a older file from vrmodels but yes, you need it

[north sonnet]

ok

thanks

[sharp nebula]

Can some1 explain this error for me? cuz its preventing me from uploading to quest

[somber meadow]

Scroll up and show the other errors, you have compiler errors preventing Unity from running scripts

[sharp nebula]

how do i fix it?

[somber meadow]

Scroll up and show the other errors

[dark jay]

im getting application error trying to update my model

[sharp nebula]

thats the entire log for me

[dark jay]

how do i fix

[sharp nebula]

wait i lied mb

[somber meadow]

Screenshot the errors you're getting in the console

[somber meadow]

remove Avatar 3.0 Emulator from your project through VCC

[sharp nebula]

ohh ok

[somber meadow]

What SDK version is this

[dark jay]

latest

[somber meadow]

There's 7 more errors in that console as well

[dark jay]

up to date in creator companion

i know

how do i fix it so it uploads

[somber meadow]

what are those 7 other errors

[dark jay]

one moment

[somber meadow]

oh wait, this looks like a VRChat serverside issue

someone else reported an Application error over at #1337214192951758993 message

[dark jay]

ok

[dark jay]

do i wait it out then?

[winter night]

tried to upload an avatar and this happened idk how to fix it can anyone help

[somber meadow]

I'm assuming so, probably try again in like 30 minutes if there's no post in #server-status

is this an existing avatar that's already been uploaded?

[sharp nebula]

Is that what i have to do when it comes to my errors too or is it something new entirely?

[somber meadow]

Your android build module installed in Unity seems incomplete, do you have any antivirus software installed on this PC other than windows defender?

[sharp nebula]

not to my knowledge

just checked. I dont

[somber meadow]

You can see if a new project doesn't have the UnityEditor.Android error in the console, if it still does you unfortunately might have to reinstall Unity 2022.3.22 through Unity Hub

[sharp nebula]

Alright

[dark jay]

its a existing avi being updated

would that cause a issue

[somber meadow]

Just making sure it’s already worked before which makes it more likely a server related issue

[dark jay]

ok

[thorny glen]

Im trying to set up a AV but it keeps get errors I tryed what someone said last night but I didnt fix the error, any one able to help?

[idle quartz]

is there any way in substance painter to get the shape for the black chest color mask to move further up the chest without ruining the shape or integrity?

[somber sequoia]

yes, though how easy that is depends a lot on how it was made. You could ultimately use the existing layers to generate a texture with that part, then re-load that back into another fill layer and move it around

it may be easy to move some existing mask or paint/fill layer

[idle quartz]

i figured out about offsetting the fill layer and it worked to move it upwards

but

i wanted to make it bigger too

[somber sequoia]

yep, good

[supple needle]

Ran into another blender issue I did figure out the one from earlier. New thing now, I can only paint on the left map thingy. It won’t show up when I try to paint directly on the model, nor will it let me use symmetry ? It worked perfectly fine for the body, but it won’t for the head

[astral nimbus]

does anyone know why my Control Panel in vcc wont open? when i try to go publish the avi?

[unique axle]

Updated unity and now it keeps entering safe mode everytime i open it

does anybody know what i can do to fix this??

should i just delete the pumpkin avatar tools

[astral nimbus]

Anyone have a solution for this?

[somber sequoia]

yeah that happens to me often too, not sure what the incompatability is, but I just remove it and it's fine

I rarely use it anyway

[unique axle]

yeah i think i used it once like a year ago 😭

it was to fix one issue

[somber sequoia]

yup

[somber crane]

Is this the right channel with anyone who can help me with uploading avatars? I’m new and kinda confused

[somber sequoia]

sure

[somber sequoia]

FYI posting your question in public is ideal.

[next cape]

Does anyone have a good cape I can use? Perferably a Fur Cape like Kratos or Doom Guy, but a regular cape works just as well.

Designed for use with one of these guys.

[plain mural]

why when i import animations from blender into unity and play them on the character, it seems like not all bones are animated?

[spark walrus]

Does increasing the bounding box sizes on your avatars make them bigger or less optimized

[timber wharf]

less optimized

avatars as any dynamic object use their bounding box to decide when to cull, big box = avatar still goes through some of rendering pipeline when its off the screen/behind a wall

[spark walrus]

Does it add to the overall MB?

[timber wharf]

no

[spark walrus]

How come when I upload this avatar to PC, its 11mb but when I try to upload as quest its 14.5 MB? is this normal?

[timber wharf]

quest uses different texture formats, so texture size will be different, and higher than pc's default

[somber sequoia]

405k triangles is really a lot, I bet your blendshapes take up much of that space

[spark walrus]

Probably, it has face tracking lol

[fallow gulch]

Maybe you didn't export the model with FBX All scaling from Blender
In which case, the Armature's size will be 100 on all axis, instead of 1
You can also just increase the radius of the physbone if you want

[warped scroll]

So I have a Mantid character that has two normal arms with hands and two scythe arms. I'd like to be able to swap control from the hands to the scythes and while I've been able to do that, the transition is very jittery and sudden. What should I do to make it smoother?

For reference, I did this by having ghost arm bones that are have no weight, but control the arms through a series of rotation constraints. Also I'm using the VRC constraint system.

[fallow gulch]

You could try to use the Weight slider in the constraints to swap between the two
And also consider using some transition time on the transitions between states in your logic

[warped scroll]

I'm already doing that, but it's still janky

[fallow gulch]

I don't know what else you could try tbh

That's like.. all the smoothing you can get

[warped scroll]

For reference, here's what's going on mid-transition

[orchid plume]

So my added textures worked in unity and I made them a Toggable with a menu and everything, but when i uploaded to VRChat they wouldn't show up only the eyes and the hair would change, now the materials didn't have a NormalMap because the textures didn't come with it, I don't know if that is the cause of the issues or not.

But I'm trying to figure out how to fix it.

[warped scroll]

oh it looks like i was able to fix it by having the constraints always be set to active

[fallow gulch]

Yeah, that is how I meant it.
Just have it active, and shift the weights

[near compass]

guys so im making my avi and i put on some cloths, some of them float when i upload the avi though, how do i fix that

its for my nova beast

i use unity

[worn kiln]

It is against ToS to ask someone to upload on behalf of you, thanks.

[shy willow]

So much for asking for help...

[near compass]

asking people to upload it is diffrent from advise wich is what this is for

[somber sequoia]

put them on how?

[shy willow]

I am not smart enough to do this. 40 hours wasted trying to fix something I'm not smart enough to fix...

[near compass]

so i got some things for my nova beast that wont i dont know how to connect to the avi

[near compass]

hey, it takes practice and error okay? dont give up after so much time spent. and its not all for nothing its a learning expeirence

[slow briar]

Just a question for blender. Yk how most avatars with different clothing sets usually don't have the rest of the body modeled underneath? How do they do that?[srry if it sounds a lil stupid-]

[somber sequoia]

right but same question, how are you putting them on?

[somber sequoia]

delete the body mesh that never shows.

[near compass]

im linking them to the avis body parts

[somber sequoia]

or hide it in variou sways

[somber sequoia]

I'm sorry, can you be way more specific?

[near compass]

im attaching them to the bones but not all of them lock to them. i need to know how to lock the items to my avi

[shy willow]

I don't want to spend another SECOND in Unity. I'm an astronautical engineer and not even I can figure this out. I just want the avatar I paid for...

[near compass]

sorry, today is my first time avi creating, but its been a learning exr=perience

[somber sequoia]

again, what do you mean? attaching what exactly to bones?

[near compass]

yk how you attach clothing to a avitar

[somber sequoia]

no

there's like a dozen ways to do this

[near compass]

lol

[slow briar]

How would i keep things like the hands connected to the rest of the body though? I plan to cycle them through radial and have a default outfit, but i thought i would have to have the outfit separate so i could do the animation for the cycle?

[near compass]

im so new to this but its funny

i enjoy learning so much and this is a lil silly

[night ember]

I mean its just game development

[somber sequoia]

if you mean can you delete an arm and have the hand still work - yes, you don't need any of that mesh in between

[night ember]

With a lot of tutorials and documentation

[fallow gulch]

Working on avatars is very different than any other skill
I'm pretty good at working with PC stuff in general, and I'm a programmer
And yet, it took me a long time to figure out how to do what I exactly want to do with my avatars

Did you follow the upload guide for the avatar?
Maybe you are missing some dependency

[somber sequoia]

yeah, I'm a pro software engineer with some 3D experience and it took me like half a year to be ok at this stuff and longer to get good at it

[slow briar]

Tysm TuT
I kept looking at the outfits like "how am i gonna do this-"

[shy willow]

As best as I could. It was in Japanese...

[shy willow]

And even then the instructions were rather lacking...

[fallow gulch]

Yeah... but translating helps for sure
Either Google Translate, or ChatGPT, which is pretty good at this stuff

[slow briar]

Oh also, is there any sort of addon or built in feature that tracks the poly's and such so i could keep the avatar optimized enough to not be a walking car crash?

[fallow gulch]

Yeah.. the problem is that people often assume that others know what they know... so I can see that happening for sure

[somber sequoia]

if you're in blender, turn on the scene stats in the preferences

[shy willow]

I obviously translated it, but even then, I have everything that the creator said is required for the upload, followed like 5 different YT tutorials,and had ChatGPT basically babystep me through the process

[somber sequoia]

it shows stuff in the status bar

[slow briar]

Okay ^^

[near compass]

try restarting from skratch and go with what you know and learn from trial and error. maybe have a pro avi creater call you on dc and stream to them and ask for advise

they are really good at helping

[shy willow]

40 hours later, some missing hair and a bottle of Dayquil later, IT STILL WON'T WORK

[shy willow]

I'm on my 7th re-try

[fallow gulch]

It is also possible that there is just an issue with the avatar
Or that it is made for SDK2, which you won't be able to upload nowadays
It might require some changes before upload then

[somber sequoia]

for the first one? sounds about right

[near compass]

getting impatient with it wont help at all

[shy willow]

I have done everything, everyone has said to do

I'm no closer than I was when I downloaded Unity

[slow briar]

Ik I'm set on having the radial thing for my clothes, but is there any way that might be more optimal? [Mainly just asking if there are any cons to using it]

[somber sequoia]

well if you describe what you're currently stuck on, maybe someone here can help

[near compass]

learning takes time

try taking a break

come back to it later

and try some new things

maybe some files are messed up

[red pier]

So am I missing something? I wanted to tweak the physbones on the ears for an avatar I got, however I can't find the physbones components.. The physbones show up when I highlight the avatar, but when I go into the armature I can't find the components 🤔 Have these settings been moved or am I doing something wrong?

[somber sequoia]

you can put the actual physbone component on any game object, it might not be on a bone

I tend to put mine on empty objects so I can turn them into a prefab, to re-use for variants of the same avatar.

[junior void]

I usually make an empty in an empty

"Physics" (empty on the avatar root, like a folder)

• Ear L (empty holding the physbone scritpt)
• Ear R
• Tail... etc

[somber sequoia]

Yeah, basically that.

I do this for dynamics and constraints too

[junior void]

as programmer, i cant have it any other way xD theres gotta be structure or ill start crying

[somber sequoia]

yep

[red pier]

I see, I'll keep looking, thx

[fallow gulch]

This is the way.
It is fine for assets to have physbones in them, but for avatar physbones, this is the best way

[junior void]

I do the same thing for assets ngl. That way, users can easily remove the "Physbone" empty without needing to search for them and then not know which one is which

I wish vrcfury would allow us to put user notes onto components to educate people about our setups with hints

[fallow gulch]

Physics
|_Physbones
|_Ear R
|_Tail
|_Colliders
|_Floor

That's my setup for avatar stuff
And I put contacts in the armature, wherever it makes sense

[somber sequoia]

yeah I also do the same for assets

[fiery crow]

i love settin thing up like that, genuinely just makes things easier to work with

[fallow gulch]

Hell yeah

[red pier]

That's sick, I've mostly done texture and material work so I've never messed with the physics, I remember them being in the normal armature hierarchy, but I guess it's done like this now, thank y'all

[fiery crow]

youll thank yourself later if u ever want to adjust things on an avi

hide and seek is not fun

[junior void]

^

[fiery crow]

makes toggling them off and on in animations easier too

[red pier]

Oh true, I'll def try to learn more of this, toggles been a struggle too

[fallow gulch]

Plus if you got 2 physbones on 1 game object, you can only animate the first one hehe

Not a good time

[junior void]

common issue with ears

i just wrote code to delete any given directory and i feel like i have too much power xD

[fallow gulch]

This is great, when Adobe Reader decides that it wants to hold onto a folder, for no good reason

Like come on.. there isn't even a PDF in there.. what are you even doing? Lol

[junior void]

trueeee hahaha

[patent geyser]

why does the vrc sdk suck sooo muccchh

compress it properly dammit! It worked fine ebfore!

[fallow gulch]

What do you mean?

[west magnet]

For some reason, In game my buttons in my 3.0 menu just say "Button Text"

[radiant owl]

anyone know what shader this is?

[patent geyser]

model is 580MB idk how to compress it pls help.

[fallow gulch]

You'd have to look at textures most likely
Lower their resolution
Also avatar audio.. see how much stuff is on there
MMD animations and other stuff like that

[balmy barn]

optimize textures, blendshapes, verticies, remove long animations/audio, 200mb+ av i call trash tier

[patent geyser]

oh audio

[patent geyser]

it uploads to 180mb tho

or rather 250

[fallow gulch]

That's still quite big

[patent geyser]

im so confused about whgy is changed

[fallow gulch]

Having multiple UVs per mesh is also expensive

[patent geyser]

and why it wont let me do it now

[fallow gulch]

And what's with the 2.8 million polys?

[junior void]

541 mat slots

[patent geyser]

shit thats beingf removed

[junior void]

like what

[patent geyser]

....thingsd i cant mention here

LOL

[junior void]

how even do you go above 50

seriously this is the most unoptimized ive seen in years

[balmy barn]

slapping on crap in unity is fine 🔥

[patent geyser]

audio sources and buying it off a chinese guy

from china

[balmy barn]

mostly i see worse in vram use , not triangle

[patent geyser]

selflight

well thats down at least

Its a Kikyo body so.

[junior void]

what

over a million polys for a body

[fallow gulch]

There is no way it comes like that by default

[junior void]

yea no

[harsh thicket]

These Avatar Bounds x.x

3k Physbone transforms?

[junior void]

i have selestia, also a booth one very similar, nowhere nearly there

[balmy barn]

abandon it , would take you longer to optimize then start over

[junior void]

^

[fallow gulch]

The bounds are fine
Can be an anti culling cube for shenanigans
(Just.. badly set up)

[patent geyser]

i mean id rather rebuild it

its insanity.

i just dont know what all is sued

some of its numebred.

and some are chiense only assets.

i dont know uh... how to export assets n all that.

[junior void]

you dont 2export assets2. Assets are in prefabs format mostly, prefabs are made of fbx files and unity stuff like colliders, scripts etc only existing in unity

the fbx that it uses is what youd be using in blender

[patent geyser]

blender..?

[junior void]

as example

[patent geyser]

god noi.. nvm.

i have to use b;lender to add clothes that are prefit? fuck that.

pass.

[junior void]

i doubt you sorted your assets nietly into folders

you dont have to

i didnt mean it that way

whatever i give up

[sweet quiver]

hi, I've been working on getting a specific avatar for a friend and feel like I'm at the finish line

being blocked at the final steps (vrc will give bone hierarchy errors or the arms will just sink into the torso) because the armature is either too complex, or because I can't get the pmx to properly T-pose on blender (the armature will keep it when set as rest pose, but the mesh resets back into a 7:30/5:30 not-so t-pose), might just be both

any suggestions?

[patent geyser]

Mean it what way? lol think before you talk maybe? youre making it more complicated to a newbie. leave me be dude. blocked. dont even care.

[junior void]

wha...

ok, cool.

[fallow gulch]

Have you tried applying the rest pose?
Also are there error messages in the SDK?

[gentle kernel]

how can i move the jaw bone for animation (i made a mistake by not making a blendshape for it)

[sweet quiver]

whenever I set the t-pose on blender and apply as rest pose, the armature keeps the pose but the mesh resets back to normal

[fallow gulch]

It is ideal to use Blender, but you can probably get away with using either Modular Avatar or VRCFury to apply the clothes to the model, if the clothes were made for the model, and that's the intended way to add them

[fallow gulch]

Have you used CATS to apply the rest pose or did you do it in another way?

[gentle kernel]

i close the jaw but it resets

[sweet quiver]

I just do it manually on blender.. is the CATS plugin the smart and hassle free way to do it?

[fallow gulch]

If you have the Jaw assigned in the Rigging tab of the FBX, unassign it
Maybe that's why this happens

[fallow gulch]

It's somewhat easier to do it like that, yeah

[gentle kernel]

how can i do this 😭

thanks for the help btw

[fallow gulch]

https://github.com/teamneoneko/Cats-Blender-Plugin-Unofficial-
You can get CATS for modern Blender versions here

[sweet quiver]

I'll give it a try, thanks!

[fallow gulch]

Look for the .fbx of the avatar in Unity.
Once you find it, click it, and look for the Rigging tab in the Inspector.
Once you are there, hit Configure

Then check the Head section of the rig, and see if the Jaw is assigned there

[fallow gulch]

No problem.
As soon as you enter pose mode, you will have an Apply Rest Pose button in one of the top sections of CATS

CATS can be accessed from the side bar (N), once you install and enable it

[opaque frost]

ive recently started looking on making my on vrc avis, is there any videos or links i should look at to help me start?

[gentle kernel]

@fallow gulch yep its assigned

[fallow gulch]

You want to unassign it.
Having it assigned is bad for VRC, as it will cause the avatar's mouth to always be open

And it might be causing your animation issues too

[junior void]

unless you use jaw flap in viseme settings

[gentle kernel]

ohh didn't know this. thank you so much!

[junior void]

then its just doing the duck movement

[fallow gulch]

Even then you don't need it I believe...?

[junior void]

you dont?

[fallow gulch]

You just drag the jaw bone into the descriptor then, no?

I can't recall now.. I have only done 1 avatar like that, but that is what I can remember

[junior void]

yesterday i was told your eye bones must be mapped in the rig for the eye look to work. even though you just assign the slots. i assume thats because if not present in the rig settings, itll just not validate these bones as humanoid so i expect the same to be the case here

[fallow gulch]

Depends on what you are looking for really.
From scratch?
An existing character?
An existing VRC avatar, and you just want to add features?

[junior void]

i dont have a jaw flap avi

[fallow gulch]

Yeah.. the jaw is silly.. it's a bit different
But yeah, the eyes have to be mapped

[fallow gulch]

Visemes are better, but for a skeleton, this made sense

[gentle kernel]

finally it worked yey

[fallow gulch]

Neat ^^

[gentle kernel]

but i cant import my model to the game yet cuz i never played vrc

[opaque frost]

an existing character, I have halo 5 models already. I'm just so confused about where to start.

[gentle kernel]

i will play it after finishing the expressions

[fallow gulch]

Then go and look around
Have some fun hehe

[gentle kernel]

ty!!

[fallow gulch]

The rig probably needs some work, so that might have to be adjusted in Blender to fit the requirements
Not the easiest of starts, but it works

Hips - Spine - Chest - Upper Chest (Optional) - Neck - Head is how the bones gotta be arranged
If there are more, some have to be merged

Which does sound hard if you haven't touched Blender and Unity before ngl

Sadly I don't have a good tutorial to link for this :/

[opaque frost]

it sounds horrifying, but its a start im gonna just hammer at it until it does something. Thanks for ya help

[fallow gulch]

Feel free to ask questions here

[opaque frost]

will do

[fiery crow]

was this some kind of comm? or did you purchase said assets from a marketplace?

cause most of booth bases use modular avatar, just dont put everyting on a single avi, use multiple prefabs

booth is already a extremely unoptimzed market already, stacking multiple outfits will get expensive quickly for performance (especially texture memory and physbone collisions)

[gentle kernel]

i cant move the eyebrows for the expression, any help is appreciated :P

i tried adding the eyebrow bones and moving them but they just reset

[warped scroll]

hey so quick question, I'm using the VRC constraints and trying to use the freeze to world thing its got
but when I try to use it, it works the first time correctly, but when I untoggle the object and try to retoggle it somewhere else, it just shows up in the first spot I put it

[timber wharf]

uh, when hiding object you also must disable freeze

[rigid nymph]

hey guys im trying to make a hue shift with vrcfury but its not working for some reason

[warped scroll]

i did that but its still doing it

[ornate stump]

You pick a wrong property.

[rigid nymph]

yeah but i want it for the emission

[ornate stump]

Do you actually mean to "enable" the hue shift? Because that's the property you picked.

[rigid nymph]

well, i want the radial hue shift that changes the color of the emission

[ornate stump]

So that's the wrong property you pick.

[rigid nymph]

which one do i need?

[ornate stump]

You copy property name from Hue Shift slider. What you had was property name from hue shift check box.

[ornate stump]

Should work. Unless there is another issue.

[rigid nymph]

oh okay it worked tysm!!

[rigid nymph]

one last question, if i wanna do a hue shift but its 2 seperate gameobjects, how can i do it so that it hue shifts for both gameobjects at the same time?

[ornate stump]

Just add another material property of another object to the same toggle.

Did you also armature link the breast bones?

[gentle kernel]

still need help about this

[ornate stump]

How did you link armature?

Have you tested the breast bones in pose mode?

That means the cloth either doesn't have weight paint for breast bone, or the exist bone name doesn't match with its weight.

[gentle kernel]

the jaw rotation resets itself when i select another emote

heres the other emotes, when i select one the transforms reset

how can i apply the rotation of the jaw?

same with eyebrows

[exotic yoke]

Does anyone know how to make a secondary avatar follow your exact movements?

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-march-1975-soviet-union-ussr-russia-gif-15943675596135405001

Aw I cant get an example

But if you click on it you’ll understand

[ornate stump]

Put rotation constraint on every bone, source them to the main armature bone.

[exotic yoke]

Ok I’ll see to doing that

[gentle kernel]

how can i set different jaw rotations and locations for different expression animations? they just reset

when i switch back to happy expression, this happens and i don't want this to happen as the mouth needs to be closed

same with other expressions (sorry if i sent so much stuff but i really want to figure this out)

[gentle kernel]

it was about keyframes. i figured it out

[sour quartz]

how do I make this shading more smooth?
There's a weird shadow artifact at the bottom
I've already tried Normals -> Set from faces but it doesnt help

bottom for reference - same weird shadows

[stoic stag]

I got an avatar with a vrcfurry asset and It works on pc but is not synced on quest. How do it fix it? (its this asset https://jaxbline.gumroad.com/l/qwnxj)

[harsh thicket]

I looks like theres some double verticies.
Edit Mode -> A -> M (By distance) = Remove double verticies
Then
(With all Selected) -> Shift + N = Recalculate normals
If that is not enough
(With all Selected) -> F3 -> Search for "Reset Vectors"

[mental estuary]

https://vrcfury.com/tutorials/quest

[patent geyser]

Why would the uncompressed size of a model jump from 450MB to 580MB with no changes made?

Like three people are trying to figure this out.

[sour quartz]

you are a savior - thank you so much for the clear-cut explanation!

[round comet]

guh what's the best way to add animations. My wing and tail idle aren't working on my avi :'-)

[somber sequoia]

single looping animation in its own layer?

[round comet]

mhm

I added it in the animator but it isn't working

even has its own params and layers in the fx

it isn't a toggle either

haow to do

[somber sequoia]

that seems reasonable

[round comet]

added over here

just doesn't function at all in playmode

is it because I added it in the fx as a new clip maybe?

[somber sequoia]

show the animator?

[round comet]

sure :o where in the animator

I have yellow warnings when I go into playmode saying its removing the idle animations from the fx since they have no function

weird af

[somber sequoia]

show that one layer with all the other layers listed

[round comet]

ohh yeah lemme see here

is that this?

[somber sequoia]

can't quite tell, but do those layers have their weights at 0 instead of 1?

[round comet]

OMGG

[somber sequoia]

oh good, something easy 🙂

[round comet]

whoops

I totally forgot to weight it at 1

my brain is totally elsewhere LOL