avatar-help

[inner pier]

leaving only one material slot puts me back at square one with the textures being in the wrong spot so at this point im unsure... apologies for not being able to explain it any better 😭

[trim rover]

because all the shaders that allow for transparency (even the ones listed within VRChat/Mobile) seem to be disalowed by the avatar builder

[cunning grove]

Hes completely fine if i bend hin backwards, but the clothing clips when i bend hin forwards. How do I fix it? Ive already tried weight transfer and data transfer

[somber sequoia]

those are for particles

[ornate stump]

You could get away with particle additive/multiply shader, to only some extent.

[somber sequoia]

without knowing what the texture looks like, it's difficult to say, but the UV maps should match up with the textures

[somber sequoia]

Weight painting, for sure

[trim rover]

but neither of those allow for color

[ornate stump]

As I said "to some extent".

[cunning grove]

Im not sure what needs to be weight painted though, and i dont really know how it works. Ive watched tutorials before but im still confused

[raven sun]

Update: I tried reanimating with renamed when locked on and now she looks down when no receiver is on and when the sender touches one of them it goes from the bottom left corner

[trim rover]

so im guessing that for future refrance i should not try and make quest avatars have transparent bits

[somber sequoia]

that's great advice, yep

[raven sun]

so that no one needs to download

[trim rover]

but i see other queast avatrs doing it

[somber sequoia]

Your goal is to make the clothing move with each bone similar to how the body does, so it moves with the body. It's hard to offer specific advice on this though

[trim rover]

weight and data transfer really only works if the topology is similar

as a potental quick and dirty solution you could just add a blendshape that crushes the body under the cloths to reduce clipping

[somber sequoia]

yeah - that can get you close, often you still have to weight paint manually afterwards

[trim rover]

but other than that you'll have to paint manually

[raven sun]

I am so lost and don't know what to do, so here's a link to an archive of the project if anyone has time to take a look: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EC3Ai-HtLx9jWh7xIgFuW83sGdle99sx/view?usp=sharing

[late lion]

any advice on making this look more like a silver metal? im using a poiyomi matcap but i havent done anything else to it.

[trim rover]

what do i do if an fbx has the blendshapes on one of it's meshes show up in unity but not the other mesh

[somber sequoia]

are you exporting from Blender right now?

[trim rover]

yep

[somber sequoia]

make sure you don't have an un-applied modifier on that mesh object

[trim rover]

thanks

that fixed it

[somber sequoia]

yep, gets me sometimes too

[trim rover]

yah, I took a long break from vrchat and i've forgotten half the things i need to watch out for

[pastel nacelle]

Quick question;
Is there an "always" good way to make a blendshape that shrinks a mesh into another mesh? Like a rule..?

I've been trying to shrink some gloves into my hands but no matter what position I put them (once shrinked to a single mass of vertices) it blows out of the hands when I close my fist.

Is hands just very difficult/impossible or I'm doing it wrong?

[somber sequoia]

you have to make sure the mesh stays aligned with the bone it's weight painted to, because it'll still move along with the bone even if shrunk

it's one reason I dislike this method

[pastel nacelle]

Okay so maybe not shrinked to maximum but just slightly under the skin might give better result..

I also hate to do this but I'm optimizing for and my 2nd mesh is already a jacket so I'm looking for another way if I feel like removing the gloves 😅

[somber sequoia]

I'd try to just shrink it along the bone it's assigned to, in a line, rather than a point

[pastel nacelle]

Yay they stay completely hidden with this method thanks a lot 🩷

[trim rover]

if you are in blender you can try alt+s

it scales in a way that compresses the mesh without shrinking the whole thing and will get you close to the bone structure

[somber sequoia]

Yeah - that plus being picky about what you select can do a pretty good job of it

[somber sequoia]

Glad that worked

[grave flower]

I'm so sorry for this I'm new at this 😅

I Made a model from VRoid Studio and I have no idea how to make it into a avatar for VRChat, I've read the instructions for it but i don't know what i use to put it into VRChat.

(Sorry if this doesn't make sense)

[somber sequoia]

vroid -> blender -> unity. There are lots of tutorials on this

[grave flower]

thank you ~w~

[dense parrot]

alright ill try asking here, every time this has been asked its been completely ignored tho from what i can see in the discord search:

I am having an issue with unity where when i go to import ANY package it gives the error failed to import: couldnt decompress package

I have completely RESET my pc in attempts to fix this with no success. i have nothing else to try, windows install is new, VCC and unity freshly installed, files all on C drive. i have no clue how to proceed

[somber sequoia]

any package, as in a .unitypackage ?

[dense parrot]

yep, poiyomi, avatar packages, etc.

[somber sequoia]

and what exactly are you doing to import?

[dense parrot]

this error only recently started happening, and i can confirm it happens for packages i succeeded uploading in the past

[somber sequoia]

huh interesting

[dense parrot]

i have tried dragging the file in, i have also tried importing manually through the drop downs to get to custom package in unity

same results either way

i have enough disk space on all drives, (over 500 gigs)

[night ember]

You answered my question before I even asked

[somber sequoia]

yep, mine too

[dense parrot]

yeah figured that would be the first ask lol, its what i keep seeing people post online

in my current state im in what can be considered for all intensive purposes a brand new PC. i have WIPED my C drive and started fresh on win11

issues persist

[somber sequoia]

"intents and purposes"

[night ember]

Typically either your project is fucked
Your unity version is corrupted
Or no storage space

[dense parrot]

yeah ive tried other unity versions, ive tried multiple projects, and confirmed enough space

happens on a brand new project too

[night ember]

Or for whatever reason could be unity cant read&write the folder unity uses

[dense parrot]

see thats what i thought, i figured my permissions could be fucked. but surely that shouldnt be an issue after a full pc wipe?

[somber sequoia]

I wonder if it decompresses into a temporary space first, and that's not accessible

I don't really know Windows though, so that's a guess

[dense parrot]

fails to import when run as an administrator as well (i know unity doenst like to be admin but still for testing purposes)

[night ember]

Its effectively the same as unzipping a zipped folder into a folder

[somber sequoia]

yeah - I know they're either zips or tar.gz files, just wasn't sure where that'd go in windows

[dense parrot]

unity really doesnt do a good job with these console logs

i get nothing from this

[night ember]

The project folder based on what the package states

[somber sequoia]

directly? Okay

[dense parrot]

ive tried changing project folder locations as well, default location, desktop, root of C, etc. all have same results

[night ember]

Atleast that I am aware

Where are you getting the packages

[dense parrot]

my poiyomis are all from the patreon, the avatar sources are from different places, jinxxy, gumroad, etc. i have quite a few collected over the years.

i have tested with a freshly downloaded poiyomi

[night ember]

Hm

How clean we talking with your pc reinstall

[dense parrot]

ran the Reset PC part of win11, chose to start fresh and wipe the drive. running on a brand new local account. extra drives on the machine have not been formatted as of yet. i have no unity paths pointed to them though. for testing purposes i have all locations on the new C drive

[night ember]

I got no clue

[dense parrot]

damn

idk where to go from here, this is depressing

[proven dome]

help 😭 how can i fix this?

[somber sequoia]

explain "this"

[proven dome]

that was fast,

the screenshot shows the bolded eyebrows and the bolded black around the eyes, is there a way to fix it or amek it look more nromal for quest?

[somber sequoia]

are those not supposed to be there?

[proven dome]

the pc versions face looks like this

[somber sequoia]

(assume that we have no idea what it should look like)

[proven dome]

..so.. you think taht would look normal..?

LOL

[somber sequoia]

got it. So I'm guessing there's some alpha transparency here. You'd have to remove any of the mesh you don't want in Blender, since you don't get proper transparency on quest

and also I don't make assumptions as to what you want your avatar to look like.

[proven dome]

damn i have no knowledge of blender i'll try to see,

i understand that but i dont think people would belive that is supposed to be normal for quest avatars.

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what you think is normal, so I don't assume

[proven dome]

alright?

[wild egret]

I've changed the mesh for a FBX and I want to re-import it into unity. I only want to change a single mesh. When I add the fbx into the scene, I can delete everything except for the skirt (which I updated) and the Armature (which the skirt is linked to for the skinned mesh renderer).

How do I tell the new skirt (ClothSkirt) to use the original upper armature and not the armaqture from it's own fbx? All the names in the armature hierarchy are the same as I didn't change them.

[night ember]

Blender

[wild egret]

Currently, it's linked to the lower armature Hips. Simply drag & drop isn't enough for this.

[night ember]

You need to do it in blender

[wild egret]

But then I have the same problem of unity creating a NEW armature whenever I re-import a new FBX.

And no, replacing the FBX in-place doesn't fix this armature issue.

I need a unity solution.

[night ember]

There isnt a unity solution

You cant just transfer a mesh to another armature

[wild egret]

I've found this but I'm currently trying it out: https://discussions.unity.com/t/how-to-re-apply-a-mesh-to-an-armature/200209/3

Doesn't this look like it could work? Or is it missing something essential?

[somber sequoia]

well...... you can but you need to do it in code and it's probably not what you want anyway.

[wild egret]

I am willing to code a bit or work on top of the above snippet.

[somber sequoia]

I'd do this in Blender, as Diven said

[wild egret]

But do you know how to make the current existing armature in the unity scene linked to the new mesh?

I don't know how to make that link - even if I import the original FBX into blender - which I can do easily.

[night ember]

Why are you creating a new fbx instead of just overwriting

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure I understand why you're trying to link mesh to armature in Unity

[somber sequoia]

well, the prefab is unpacked, so that'll be a small issue

[night ember]

Next question then

[wild egret]

As I mentioned, overwriting does NOT solve this issue. This is because the re-imported FBX doesn't seem to sync with the existing armature in the unity scene. I would have to create a new avatar game object - and I want to avoid that for reasons long to explain.

[night ember]

why is it unpacked

[somber sequoia]

yeah you're doing this very much the hard way

[wild egret]

Do you mean the original avatar or the "nested" prefab objects?

[somber sequoia]

bring it into blender, merge armatures, export, drag new model into scene, pumkin's tools to transfer stuff over, don't unpack the prefab in the future.

then further updates are trivial

[wild egret]

That can well be my noob skills as I'm new and I eventually unpacked the avatar.... 😅

[night ember]

Unpacking prefab is the entire reason why it isnt synced

[somber sequoia]

yep, it happens

[night ember]

You literally unsynced it

[wild egret]

So I should have never unpacked the sapphy avatar?

[somber sequoia]

correct

[wild egret]

Welp.... So I can re-do all of my avatar changes from the last weeks on top of a fresh prefab model?

[somber sequoia]

yep - again, Pumkin's tools can help with that

[wild egret]

Shall I also unpack my custom changes like new hair etc. as well or not?

[somber sequoia]

I'd attach new hair in Blender too, but that's up to you

[night ember]

Just put it together in blender then do the unity specific work of setting up the avatar and physbones

[wild egret]

Does it also copy things like blendshape settings?

[somber sequoia]

yes

[wild egret]

Hm... Before I do this. I'll test this. I need to make sure, that this will work, before I redo the work.

[somber sequoia]

of course

make backups, etc.

[wild egret]

I'm already on a experimental folder. yes.

What about the prefabs of things I buy from booth?

Can I unpack them or not? Or should I ever unpack anything? And what can't I do, if I don't unpack something?

[somber sequoia]

what about them

[night ember]

If they tell you to unpack then go ahead

Some prefabs are made of prefabs that were built in scene to begin with

[somber sequoia]

yeah - if they contain rigged meshes then the same rules apply about unpacking

i.e. try really hard to not 🙂

[wild egret]

Hm... I wish I had known that I shouldn't unpack my avatar prefab ... 😅

Well it's probably only going to be a thing of a few hours to go through all changes I think I've ever done and move them to the new packed prefab.

Thanks for the info. The code approach would still be funny though... But if that's not what the community uses then it's technical debt / risk.

[somber sequoia]

ah - I don't think it'd work after unpacking though

[wild egret]

This is from the instructions for the hair I got from booth. I gues this means, that I should unpack the prefab, as otherwise I cannot move the armature parts? Should I unpack selectively or simply everything?

[somber sequoia]

maybe. not really worth looking into it though

[night ember]

Instead put it on in blender

[somber sequoia]

so if you insist on doing this in unity instead of Blender, I'd either use AvatarDresser to install this, or do an Armature Link with VRCFury.

but yeah, I'd do it in Blender.

[wild egret]

Well how is everybody else importing the FBX after blender changes then?

Don't tell me they're re-doing ALL of the previous changes the did to the original avatar on the new avatar.
Unity doesn't have anything like git-cherry-pick.

[somber sequoia]

what?

[wild egret]

ArmatureLink in VRCFury sounds interesting.

[night ember]

If you dont unpack then it doesnt break

[somber sequoia]

no, if you have a packed prefab you simply overwrite the fbx, everything stays on there unless you do something very drastic

[night ember]

Otherwise if unpacked then you require an IDENTICAL armature and export settings to not break

[wild egret]

export settings on the FBX side or what do you mean?

*blender I mean

[night ember]

When exporting from blender

If the armature isnt identical it breaks no matter what

[wild egret]

is there any program to read fbx files and do diffs of the metadata or so?

[wild egret]

armature is already identical

[night ember]

No

[night ember]

If it was then it wouldnt break

Endbones are what cimmonly break it

[wild egret]

🩵 😆 🩵 😆

🤷‍♀️ I don't know what I was expecting.

[wild egret]

Oh wait. I did remove armature bones as part of the optimisation. But I didn't delete any other bones or so. Is that already an issue?

[somber sequoia]

unpacked? yes.

packed, probably not

[wild egret]

._____________________.

[night ember]

Unpacking is the equivalent to just detaching it from the fbx entirely

All unity sees now is a hierarchy with an independant mesh attached with armature data

[wild egret]

So I created a new test avatar and imported the hair into it. I only unpacked the hair stuff and moved exactly two elements into the avi armature.

Now this is my approach:

• import original fbx into blender
• make a minor change, e.g. decimating the skirt a bit to reduce triangles
• export to new FBX with my established settings

Now I have two options.

1. replace fbx in unity in-place and check if that works. If not, then try 2.

2. import fbx into unity and then into the scene (check that import settings are good before). use pumpkin copy tools to copy old avi stuff into the new one. make manual changes since hair was unpacked. and HOPE that this works.

Does this make sense?

[somber sequoia]

sure.

Pumkin's Tools - note spelling.

[wild egret]

Lol, I didn't notice. Sorry. 😅

[somber sequoia]

no, I just want to make sure you can find it, that's all

[wild egret]

I have it installed already. And back then it was from a link I clicked.

OOO 🤯
It works!

Approach 1. with replacing the FBX worked.

I can see the reduced polygon count in the VRC SDK!!!

thanks for the hints!!! @somber sequoia @night ember

Ok. I'll test this with changes to the hair fbx now then.

[somber sequoia]

nice

[wild egret]

Ok. The polygons also went down the hair. Now I need to just open in VRChat and check, that the hair and skirt is moving according to the skinned mesh renderer and not detached or so.

Ok, It works!! I have a bit of clipping, but that's because I didn't look in detail how to well decimate, so the polygons are clipping into the lower clothes for the skirt. Whatver.

Welp. Now I know.... Don't unpack your prefabs xD

That's what I am going to do next then. Recreate my avatar without removing the prefab.

[somber sequoia]

yep!

[wild egret]

How would I remove armature to optimise it in unity? Not change the blender armature and only remove the bones in the unity packed prefab?

[night ember]

You cant

Thats something strictly done in blender as doing it in unity breaks the parts that are weightpainted permanently

[wild egret]

Ah, ok. That's okay for now. I'll think about that later.

[somber sequoia]

also don't waste your time with that when you have as many mesh renderers as you do - focus there

[wild egret]

Until now, all of this is optional, as my core experience is on PC(VR). And my avi is already VR-standalone compatible. But I want to be able for the avatar to be seen on mobile - for which I need to get below 20k polys among others 😆 🤭 🩵

It's not my highest priority thing, but a fun thing to optimise sometimes. Just to see how far I can get.

And I do indeed have friends wanting to use mobile and already being on VR-standalone.

[sharp wharf]

wont let me make a name or anything

[fallow gulch]

Try logging out and logging in on the Authentication page of the SDK
The console says so
That might fix your issue

[radiant ice]

Hiya!! So i have an issue with my avi when i upload it to android my pc account cant use it does anyone know why??

[somber sequoia]

because those are different platforms, you can't run one on the other

you'd want to upload that avatar for both platforms.

[radiant ice]

but how?

[somber sequoia]

upload the first, copy the blueprint ID and paste it into the Pipeline Manager on the second, upload that

there are lots of tutorials for this

[radiant ice]

ooooh ok ok thank you i fr haven seen a video go over that XD but i got it to work thx!!

[dark jay]

Whats the best way to parent or make a coat that has bones not clip i was going to use it as a coat toggle

[crystal kernel]

That is the best way to toggle

For coat physics

Have a phybone with an angle limit

Play with the limit degree and yaw etc so it's unable to move backwards

[wicked pine]

would someone be able to help me isolate this issue? Broken PPtr in file(blahblah)

[fallow gulch]

Make a backup of the controller first
After that, you can try using Controller Cleaner from here: https://vpm.dreadscripts.com/

[junior void]

No harm in that being there tho

its just a reference to an animation layer that has been removed, telling you theres a floating reference

[wicked pine]

ahhhh! well the cleaner got rid of it so it seems good! thank you both. now what about this error?

[fallow gulch]

Np.
Try to restart Unity

But if the error goes away when you hit Clear, then it is not harmful

[wicked pine]

perf! thank you!!

[low horizon]

Can someone tell me if they had an issue with an aviator's parameters being messed up before being able to upload it?

[earnest tinsel]

how do i add a texture to a material

[left gull]

drag it into the materials albedo slot

[crude pumice]

Import texture.
And import into the material.

[earnest tinsel]

so

i did

[crude pumice]

By dragging and dropping

[earnest tinsel]

but its giving me a 🚫

over it

??

i made the new material

I have the texture

it just wont go onto the material

[crude pumice]

Legendary material setting in FBX

[earnest tinsel]

?

where is that

[crude pumice]

I can't show you cuz I'm not on my pc

[earnest tinsel]

qwq

well

i got it on

but

its blue?

it has a blue hue

fixed

nvm

alr its good

[crude pumice]

Soo before you touch the complicated stuff watch a tutorial and learn the basics

[earnest tinsel]

so, now that i did that, what is the EASIEST way to compress

[crude pumice]

Texture compression.

[earnest tinsel]

i see

[crude pumice]

Before that you should learn basic avatar rigging and setting up avatar in unity

[earnest tinsel]

i kinda need to compress rn :/

[crude pumice]

No you don't

Learn the basics

Otherwise it's a waste of time

[earnest tinsel]

im gonna do what i feel, which is finishing

ill learn those after

[crude pumice]

Yeah cya

[earnest tinsel]

im followin a tutorial

[crude pumice]

Those tutorials suck

[earnest tinsel]

ok then you help

:/

[crude pumice]

Nope

[earnest tinsel]

i wanna get this done bc ive been puttin it off for days

[crude pumice]

I told you already start with the basics.

Learn to configure and set your FBX correctly.

And also avatar descriptor

Then you get to the shader.

The shader is where your texture will be in and also where you'll do your compression

Once you learn all that

Use BC7

As compression.

And that's in your texture settings

[oblique plank]

im not sure if this is the right channel to put this, but i came across this afterimages thing that got sent to me, i was just wondering if anyone knew how to fix this, it only stretches on the chest area and locks to the point where the avatar first loaded

i am still pretty new to avatar making so im just stuck on what i could do to fix this

[timber wharf]

weightpainting in blender, these verticies are not weighted to any bone

[oblique plank]

how do i weight them 😅

[tired blade]

My model in unity look like this everytime I try to edit with blendshape. Is this normal or is there any problem with my model?

[balmy barn]

figure out wich vertex group missing some - paint so they follow the same group some other ways of finding missing weighted vertices exsist

(pose mode is another way to see wich vertices not following)

[junior void]

or

[desert elk]

my guess would be the shaders yours using doesn't have transparency

but that toggle uses transparent materials

[tired blade]

Let me try

[faint gate]

whats the difference between an animation and a blendshape exactly? 😅

[junior void]

an animation may animate a blendshape to increase or decrease, or it may animate bone transforms or whether an object is visible

blendshapes are shapes on meshes, items. they dont do anything by themselves unless you turn them up/down or animate them to do so

[faint gate]

ok. so I need a blendshape to animate something?

[junior void]

depends what exactly youre wanting to do

[faint gate]

(Im trying to move my avatar's hands and im a little confused how the default VRCEmote's do it)

[junior void]

generally, you dont want to use blendshapes to deform mesh to be outside or offcentered from a bone

if you want to move limbs, animate them limbs via their bones

[faint gate]

✍️ goootcha

[junior void]

so why do you want to move the hands? to do what? play a dance or something?

[faint gate]

so im trying to use the in built OSC to synchronize my handtracking on desktop to the game. Ive already managed to do this with facial expressions so its not so much a problem of OSC as how do I set this up. anything that I can put in the radial menu's works

what I gather I need 2 seperate puppet controls. and to make those I need to give it animations what I gather?

[junior void]

the big difference is that facial expressions are blendshapes, thos are really easy to animate and vrc does not hog their values

as for hands, those are tracked and they use bones. iirc you cannot easily animate humanoid bones. you may need to set them to "animated" state first, then use your animations to do xyz and finally, set them back to tracked so the player regains control. this is only from faint memory though, i may not be all correct on the hands thing

[oblique pumice]

can i send someone the blend file so they can help me with this issue..

[junior void]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-tracking-control this is what i was thinking of

[faint gate]

why do I need player control at all? not like I can use my hands on desktop

[left gull]

file sharing of any kind isnt permitted here

[oblique pumice]

its a blend file..

but not like here in dm

[left gull]

thats still file sharing??

[balmy barn]

💾 < dont copy

[left gull]

you could make a post in #1139216499123437668 to prevent your question getting drowned out + it looks like it may be a weightpaint issue

[oblique pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/bohhriiing-randy-marsh-south-park-s14e14-crème-fraiche-gif-23114921

oh i forgot

[faint gate]

sry im not entirely following or seeing the issue 😅 cuz I can still move and look around during for example the default die animation

[junior void]

again, faint memory and i may be wrong this time in fat^^

[faint gate]

alrighty no worries

[junior void]

the hands are animated by vrchat either way. proof of that is the fact that even if you dont have a gesture layer, your arms hang down and you will see gestures

this is the default vrchat stuff, so things are happening under the hood implicitly

[faint gate]

ahhh like that. okay. no I was planning to overwrite that anyways if at all possible

but thats fair

[junior void]

you can for sure but the warning on this page https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers/ that it gets really complex always scared me away xD

[keen cape]

idk if im saying this right im like 1 hour new to unity but im trying to search it up and does anyone know like how to restart a like file if that makes sense

[oblique pumice]

is this good or

not the messenge

[ornate stump]

If you meant the head bone then no.

[ornate stump]

Also missing chest bone.

[oblique pumice]

with the head

what do i do

[ornate stump]

Assign head bone to the head slot.

[oblique pumice]

in blender or

[ornate stump]

In unity, in that screen you took your screenshot.

[oblique pumice]

how do you do that mind if i ask

[ornate stump]

In the Inspector panel is rig mapping. In the Hierarchy panel is bone list. Drag a bone from Hierachy into Inspector to the correct slot.

[plain mural]

yesterday I was told that I have to create a fake head bone so that the legs stand correctly
I did it, everything works correctly with the legs
but now the origin of the gaze and head rotation is a fake head
can I somehow fix or bypass this?

I tried to put the view position between the real and fake head bone, but as expected it doesn't work well

[oblique pumice]

sorry for asking but can u vc

cuz it stress me tbh

[ornate stump]

No. Can't do.

[oblique pumice]

youre just gonna be mute 💀

im just gonna screen sharing

but anyways

[ornate stump]

I'm not willing to vc with anyone in general.

[oblique pumice]

ok

[left gull]

theres likely quite a few how-to videos out there on how to properly setup a humanoid rig in unity in-case you still havent figured out how to do it

[calm crow]

Just a heads up I'm going to be working on FNAF animatronics and making them into avatars. I want to learn how to do different toggles for the microphone and other things as well as switching between materials

[glass condor]

Can anyone help me figure out why my avatar's eyes do this in Unity when I try to set up eye look? If it helps, ill mention the fact that this is a vroid avi converted to fbx by CATS in Blender.

[balmy barn]

straighten eyebones in blender , should be up - looking straight should need no value

cats rotate thing

[calm crow]

I'm also going to be using an older blender for porting the models too

[proper orbit]

anybody ever seen this issue? whenever my avatar is in game/play mode in unity the head is pointing really far down and idk why its doin that or how to fix it

[junior void]

is your head bone pointing forward?

[proper orbit]

yea

[somber sequoia]

that's definitely not ideal

[proper orbit]

well its somthing i did in unity cause i just did a dry upload with the base fbx nothing assed and it didnt have that issue so idk what i did

[glass condor]

oh so the eye bones should always be facing up like the pic?

[junior void]

your head bone needs to point straight up

[glass condor]

wait, what option is this?

[balmy barn]

cats 4.2.2.4 ect

[glass condor]

as in, Blender 4.0?

[balmy barn]

https://github.com/teamneoneko/Cats-Blender-Plugin-Unofficial- newer versions

[glass condor]

because I don't have that😶

eh guess I'll get the one that supports blender 3.6

[somber sequoia]

why use an older version?

[glass condor]

I'm currently on Blender 3.6 bc that's the last one official CATS supported 😭

[grim nimbus]

anyone know where to get SPS for an avi i bought 😭

[glass condor]

I'd either have to redownload blender completely or just get the most recent support of unofficial cats

[somber sequoia]

imo get the latest blender and cats, if you actually need cats.

[glass condor]

but just so I'm not making mountains out of molehills, do I HAVE to get this to make eye tracking work or can I just rotate the eye bones to face up?

[somber sequoia]

I don't use cats at all, I'd just rotate the eye bones, and make sure the bone's head is at the center of rotation

[glass condor]

ok, I'll see what happens then!

[junior void]

you really dont need cats for just that

[dusk elk]

Hi guys how do I upload these one by one? Because it keeps uploading the cute version and I dont know how to switch it to the other ones

[somber sequoia]

At the top of the SDK control panel in the Builder tab, there's a dropdown where you can select the avatar you want to upload

usually simply clicking the avatar root in the hierarchy will select that one too

[thorn eagle]

You don't need cats, but it is a plugin that is nice to have in general, especially for some of the qol shortcuts it adds like apply pose as rest pose, you need to do a pretty annoying dance to do that in base blender.

[somber sequoia]

eh? Apply armature modifier, create new armature modifier.

[dusk elk]

Ah, I see now thank you!

[somber sequoia]

though I guess you'd have to do that for each part, so that cats function is convenient

the number of times I've actually done this though is probably under 5, do others do it often?

... really

[thorn eagle]

Idk, at least I do it often enough that I find it's worth having cats for just that feature

Pretty neat for changing proportions once you have a armature weighted

[mossy kayak]

why does it say this?? it was working fine earlier. it just randomly decided to spit this out

[hollow hemlock]

In liltoon, can i make the main color 3rd have hue ??

[spark walrus]

would anyone be able to help me with the front ends of this hair floating ingame/gesture manager but appearing normal in editor?

[spark walrus]

Do you have body colliders for hair physbones

They might be too big or the size of the hair physbone collider could also be too big

[glass condor]

Ok I'm back, I got the eyes to work, but how do I move them independently of each other in Unity when setting my eye positions for looking straight, right, etc, cuz they both move at the same time when I rotate them.

My character's "looking straight" rotation looks cross-eyed lol

[somber sequoia]

that's odd. Make sure the bone roll of those bones in blender is 0, and that the correct eye is weight painted to the correct bone

[spark walrus]

hmhmhm okok thanks ill check

[amber gull]

hello any idea why when i add some physbones on a cloth it doesn't move?

[somber sequoia]

show the physbone component

[glass condor]

ooh shhhhesh I didn't do that 💀Hopefully this build and test looks normal 💀💀💀

[somber sequoia]

I assume this component is on the bone which that cloth is weight-painted to?

it looks reasonable.

[amber gull]

yes it has 5 bones attached

but it doesn't move at all

dunno why

would love the help

[somber sequoia]

rotating one of the bones in Unity does move the cloth, right?

[amber gull]

how can i rotate?

when i move my body it doesnt move the bones

[somber sequoia]

select the bone and use the rotate tool, or change one of the transform's numbers. Ctrl+z to revert though, you just want to see if it does something

[amber gull]

like select the white line of thebones?

[somber sequoia]

like select one of the bones in the chain in the hierarchy window

[amber gull]

sorry like this?

[somber sequoia]

yes, make sure moving that bone moves the cloth mesh. Revert your change though, you don't want it rotated by default, this is just a test

[amber gull]

nothing moves

[somber sequoia]

are you sure the mesh is weight-painted to the bone?

'cause it ought to be moving if so

[raven portal]

Hey I have a problem, this has been my 1st time making a model and I got to get to build it now finally but it for some reason is being stretched like hell in the actual game when testing the build.
Would anyone know what could be usual causes of this?

[amber gull]

so its weight painted on the chest

do u want me to select thebones?

[somber sequoia]

ah, you'd want to weight paint that mesh onto the bone you want it to move with

[amber gull]

those are the bones

i must weight paint them right?

[night ember]

weight paint issue

[raven portal]

ah yeah I just thought of that being the problem and about to fix it

[somber sequoia]

if you want mesh to move with a bone, yes, you need to weight paint it.

[amber gull]

ahh thanks man

[amber gull]

still :/

not moving

[amber gull]

nah it worked thanks man

[somber sequoia]

oh good

[dire wigeon]

Hello, I've been trying to learn about uploading avatars and with help from others I'm surprised at how much I've learned and how far I've gotten so far. However, I'm stuck on one issue I am having with an accessory. It's a prefab, and I changed the colors just fine, but when I adjust the scale so that it fits my av, it shows perfect in unity but never changes in game. Would someone be able to help me with this? I can't even keep track of all the things I've tried and nothing seems to be working?

[raven sun]

so yesterday i was trying to figure out why the eye texture won't move properly. Today i tried to add a "look straight" animation key to the base layer and apparently it works if I specifically edit the key parameters while play is on? I don't how or why but maybe it's a step in the right direction?

[mossy kayak]

anyone know how i could fix this issue with the fingers going in a totally different direction in unity vs blender?
clearing the roll isn't an option because the deformation i get in blender is the correct way they're supposed to bend

[raven sun]

it looks like unity automatically selected that one finger as the thumb. if you select your fbx and go to rig -> configure and see what bones are assigned to what fingers.

[mossy kayak]

that IS the thumb

i still want to use thumbs up emote so i set that one as the thumb and i dont have a ring finger

it's not just the thomb i'm having issues with too, the pointer finger and pinky finger are pointing outwards

better pic, it's more separated. it's the thumb

[raven sun]

maybe try editing the bones so they match the unity picture. As far as I know the humanoid type in unity always defaults to this hand position

[mossy kayak]

i'm just not sure how to position the bones which is why i came to ask

^ ive seen other chunky paw models that dont do this as well, but i cant find any information on how it's done

[raven sun]

apparently any adit to the base layer fixes it, but only during play

[true salmon]

How do i even add toggles? i have my assets imported to vcc (with vrcfury)

[raven sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtSg6_W07Y

[raven sun]

and I do mean any. just moving the nodes also makes it fine, but if I press stop and play again it's back to this

[thick folio]

this isnt quite avatar help more of a creative process help but in trying to decide in which direction to take a top that im making i could make it into a body suit or just wrap it around like some ribbons any ideas

[late lion]

any idea why my slippers look normal in unity but are displaced in vrchat?

[tame badge]

I have a rotation animation that works perfectly in Unity previews but flat ignores my controlls in VR. Is there a common blunder here?

[raven sun]

I also tried loading it in gesture manager and same idea, but this time if I drag something in the base layer the eyes just don't respond

[somber sequoia]

what are you rotating?

[tame badge]

A tail, Turns out I needede 'is animated' I didn't think of that since I didn't need it for resizing

[somber sequoia]

ahh, yeah if it's got a physbone component on it, you'll need that

[glass condor]

Got a basic question, my avatar that I just uploaded floats off the ground a little when I look down, is there a fix in unity for this?

It's like, some weird height shenanigans going on

[somber sequoia]

Possibly move the viewpoint back between the eyes - sometimes if you have an avatar with a muzzle, you might have moved the viewpoint too far forward

[glass condor]

I'm in VR btw if that helps

[glass condor]

that's odd, bc the view point seems to already be there--let me get a picture

[somber sequoia]

I'm not saying you did, just that it's a common mistake which can cause lifting a bit

[glass condor]

Ik, just letting you know

but yeah, that might not be it. Any other ideas?

[somber sequoia]

I can't tell from that angle, but I trust you'll get it right

[glass condor]

🤷‍♀️

oop

I see what you mean now

[raven sun]

this is how it looks in vrchat. I have ran out of ideas on what to tweak in unity

[whole panther]

Hello!! I'm attempting to import a model I created into VRC, but am struggling to get a handle on applying it's texture in Unity
In Blender (Left) I've applied a simple emission shader in order to get it's flat-color look, but am struggling to replicate this effect in Unity (Right). I've attempted to look up countless forum posts and videos, and attempted to use Poiyomi's Toon Shader, but I really can't get my head around this application. Would anyone know of a way I could get this similar effect in Unity?
I've been able to figure out every other part of the process well enough, but this is killing me. Any assistance would be hella appreciated! 🙏

[somber sequoia]

In poiyomi, probably Shading -> Shading -> Lighting Type = flat

[whole panther]

That's actually what you're looking at now, sadly..!

Unless this isn't the menu you're talking about?

[somber sequoia]

yes

[whole panther]

Um, thank you for responding anyways!

[somber sequoia]

yeah otherwise, the squares there look like normals issues or maybe something with UV mapping, not sure from here.

[whole panther]

Oh!!!!

Ohohoh!!!!!

I had this same problem in blender, I'm an idiot-

[somber sequoia]

aha

[whole panther]

The texture is super small, I'm coloring by faces

So the texture is not using nearest neighbor interpolation, causing it to get crusty and create these white artifacts

[somber sequoia]

ahhhh

[whole panther]

They look like shading errors, but I'm betting it's that!

Now to find that setting,

[main fiber]

why do some of my avatars have their knees bend when i bend down, but some other don't? is it a tracking issue with different body styles or heights? is it the way it's rigged? is there a way i can fix it?

[whole panther]

I can see the texture getting torn asunder down there, but changing it to filter mode (point) doesn't seem to help at all..

Eh I just exported the textures 1000x bigger, he looks great thank you Kazin!!!

[somber sequoia]

birb

[cunning swan]

i got a question how do i retexture a already made texture

[somber sequoia]

they're just image files, you can edit with any image editing software

[cunning swan]

thats the problem idk how to edit them properly because im trying find a video to teach me

[somber sequoia]

it really depends a lot on what you have for source files.

[cunning swan]

there images i converted to png

[somber sequoia]

can you be more specific about what you're trying to do?

[cunning swan]

trying to take a texture of a g3 combat shirt in tiger stripe and try to give it a new camo

[somber sequoia]

ok so I guess the answer is "paint cammo over where the stripes are"

if your avatar came with source files for something like substance painter, that might be easier. Or you can paint in Blender and mask based on UV islands.

[cunning swan]

heres what tiger stripe looks like if u dont know

[sly crystal]

Can someone help me upload an avatar to vrchat I am having problems with one I just bought uploading it

anyone know how to fix this?

There is alot of them and I have no clue how

[balmy barn]

asset/avatarname/packages/com. whoever packaged this did it very wrong

[sly crystal]

haha ik so what do i do?

[balmy barn]

wheres this av from

[sly crystal]

payhip

i bought it

[balmy barn]

talk to creator then cause the package shouldnt have all the crap it has in assets

[sly crystal]

I tried to dm them but they have to accept my friend request

[dire wigeon]

can someone help me understand why resizing an asset is working in unity but not in the game?

[oblique dawn]

Hi, I wanted to upload my first avatar but the SDK builder isn't showing me avatar options. How do I upload avatars in the modern code?

[left wharf]

you are using wrong sdk. you are using worlds sdk and you must use avatars sdk.
that means, you need to recreate the project as the avatar project.

[oblique dawn]

Where may I find the avatars sdk? I looked all over the websites but haven't accessed any links to it.

[left wharf]

do you have VCC(VRChat Creator Companion) or something like that? if you have, you can create the project from template.

[oblique dawn]

It doesn't show the avatar sdk for mine:

[left wharf]

click project (left panel), and create "Avatars" project

[oblique dawn]

ohh, i found it, 👏 it doesn't add the packages unless I used that one button, my faults'

[zinc lark]

If your experienced with VRM how do you add the vroid expressions so they work in vrchat

[calm crow]

I need some help trying to figure out the kind of rig I should go for

[odd bane]

??

[somber sequoia]

unless this is the only error in your console, it's a side-effect. Always paste the first 2-3 errors in the console, not the last.

[somber sequoia]

"humanoid" unless you want to do a lot of animation work yourself.

[odd bane]

I dont think the other 2-3 rlly matters but mb this is the others

lemme send this

[somber sequoia]

yeah the last one is still just a side-effect message

[somber sequoia]

"missing script"

that's your issue

[odd bane]

wat script would it be

[molten pulsar]

the one thats missing

likely a vrcfury or modular script tho

[odd bane]

Immma try that rq.

[molten pulsar]

check skinned meshes

[calm crow]

well here comes the problem

[trim smelt]

GoGoLoco won’t work?
I’ve done this a million times, it has been a while but I watched some videos and I’m doing this the way the videos say but it’s no longer working. What’s up with that

And yes I have vrcfury installed

It’s also set up the same as my other avatars with goloco and they work

[mint scroll]

ported my new avi i made into vrc for testing but my camera has gone to space, any fixes?

[molten pulsar]

view point, you can find it in your descriptor

[mint scroll]

already changed it bunches of times, no updates, its smack where its supposed to be but every time i reupload im back in space, any clue what to do abt that? and yes i deleted and reuploaded.

[molten pulsar]

hmm are you sure the view point ball is where your eyes should be ?
also is your avi on the map, like walking around normally and what not?

[mint scroll]

yes the avi is on the map and heres the viewpoint ball

did i uh do something wrong? this is my first avi

[molten pulsar]

im not sure about this one tbh, mabey scaling is off. try to export with FBX all in blender and no leaf bones

[mint scroll]

what if i already exported as an fbx to start with, does that remove the leaf bones?

[somber sequoia]

it's a checkbox in the export from Blender

you can certainly just re-export

[mint scroll]

could you show me where? i can't find it from my searches.

[somber sequoia]

it's under "Armature"

in the export dialog

[mint scroll]

thank you!

unfortunately the issue is persisting

is there anything else i can do to fix it?

[somber sequoia]

I haven't read the history here, was just answering the one question

[mint scroll]

welp im off to reddit

[trim smelt]

Nothing with expressions is working now. I added an object toggle and it didn’t show up. It’s doing this on other models too, someone help pls

[trim tiger]

y'all ever just suffer

[somber sequoia]

usually I'm over 70k polys by like 100

[trim tiger]

why must i be so insistent on using animator controllers as diet code

[somber sequoia]

because you can't do code on avatars?

[trim tiger]

you misunderstand

i'm using animator controllers as diet code with the complexity of actual code

and all the bajillion variables that come with that

hence the shitload of parameters

[somber sequoia]

oh I definitely understood 🙂

[trim tiger]

hence the "GOD DAMMIT"

[solemn hound]

need help with this :p

[somber sequoia]

is that the only two errors? If not, post the first 2-3.

(and don't clip - I can't see the full text there)

[karmic junco]

Trying to add toggleable audio to my avatar but the Bool won't show up

[somber sequoia]

you have to add it to your avatar parameters list

(it's separate from the animator's parameter list)

[karmic junco]

How do you do that?

[late lion]

anyone know how to add shoes in blender? im doing ctrlp + data transfer but they arent moving in pose mode

[urban cloud]

Ensure that the Bool parameter ("Posidome Tra") is added to both the Animator Parameters and the VRC Expression Parameters. Without matching names in both places, it won't show up.

[karmic junco]

Ohh

Okay, so it works! But it is super quiet

[urban cloud]

Increase the Audio Source volume in Unity or amplify the sound file in an audio editor like Audacity. You can also tweak the Spatial Blend and Max Distance settings on the Audio Source to ensure it's louder and more present.

[karmic junco]

These are what the settings look like in unity

The audio file itself is fine

[urban cloud]

In the Inspector, check if there’s a Load In Background setting or 3D Sound Settings that could be affecting the playback volume You can also adjust the Compression settings if necessary If the audio is 3D (e.g., you’re using the audio to simulate a spatial sound effect), it might be quieter depending on the distance from the listener.

Or you could Increase the Max Distance to make it audible from farther away.

[karmic junco]

When I was exporting it it said something about Load in Background

I just don't know where to find it

[karmic junco]

But yeah these are all of the settings for the track in the Inspector

[arctic ginkgo]

idk i've had an issue like this too

@karmic junco try in unity, see how loud it is

[urban cloud]

You can find the Load in Background option in the Inspector when you select the Audio Clip in Unity. Here's how to locate it:

[arctic ginkgo]

if it's WAY louder in unity editor it may bee too loud

[karmic junco]

Where do I do that

[arctic ginkgo]

vrchat does limit avatar audio volume if it's too loud

[arctic ginkgo]

use Gesture Manager ro AV3 Emulator to emulate your avatar in-editor

[karmic junco]

I don't hear anything

[urban cloud]

1. Select the Audio Clip in the Assets folder.

2. In the Inspector, scroll down to the Audio Clip settings.

3. You'll see an option called Load In Background—uncheck it if it's enabled

[arctic ginkgo]

just curious, is there a reason that "load in background" shouldn't be checked? how does that impact the volume

[karmic junco]

Found it, it's unchecked

[arctic ginkgo]

I've had issues with avatar audio volume before and was wanting to understand the potential issues and how to fix them

[karmic junco]

It was unchecked before that is

[fervent spear]

hi guys so for some reason when my friend took a picture of me i wasnt smiling? like they couldnt see my expression? it works fine in unity and other people can see it, it seems to be working fine i just dont know why in the photo i wasnt smiling, everythings synced and stuff and linked to the victory gesture

first picture is the photo my friend took (im holding the right hand victory gesture)

[urban cloud]

it doesn't directly affect the volume itself. If it's enabled, the audio might not be fully ready to play immediately when needed, potentially leading to issues like delays or inconsistencies in playback. Disabling it ensures the clip is fully loaded and ready to play, which can help avoid any unexpected audio behavior.

[karmic junco]

Does location on the body matter?

[arctic ginkgo]

oh hmm, i'd think the opposite would be true based on the name

[karmic junco]

For reference the avatar is around 55 Meters~ but I wanna scale it down

[arctic ginkgo]

if you have spatial audio on then absolutely

and 55 meters is huge

[karmic junco]

Does it scale with the model if I put it on a bone

[arctic ginkgo]

i believe so but i'm not sure, gizmos can help you visualize that

btw your avatar is literally like 10 stories tall

that's 1/3 of a skyscraper

pretty tall

[urban cloud]

😭

[karmic junco]

What's this line

Messing around with the graph and spotted that

[ornate stump]

Distance to audio listener.

[karmic junco]

What's it mean, is that importaint

[ornate stump]

It indicate the distance to evaluate the current parameters showing on the graph.

[karmic junco]

Okay, I think I fixed it

I just jacked the Shit out of the distance lol

And I was able to hear it in the Gesture Manager

How good is that

[vagrant hare]

yo guy is this impossible i saw one roblox avatar is r6 his no bone but 1 animator and it the body is move like a r6

[ornate stump]

You should increase Near parameter in spatial audio source instead. Far range is going to bother other people outside of intended range.

[karmic junco]

What would you reccomend

[ornate stump]

Totally depends on your intended interaction distance.

[karmic junco]

?

[odd bane]

wat am I missing now 😭

[ornate stump]

In other words, how far you want other people to stand and listen to your audio?

[odd bane]

wait actually think Im slow

[karmic junco]

I'm not sure

[urban cloud]

Problem solved

👍

[odd bane]

think so Ima try unity 2019 💀

[karmic junco]

Again the avatar is huge and I don't think the audio scales with the avatar

[fervent spear]

need some help with this 😭

[ornate stump]

How huge is it?

[karmic junco]

The avatar is 55 Meters

[ornate stump]

Why does it need to be that huge?

[karmic junco]

Also the Far needs to be 20 just so I can hear it in the Manager

Is 20 fine?

[somber sequoia]

it's distance from the camera there

[urban cloud]

It sounds like your VRChat avatar's expression might not have synced correctly in the photo, even though it works in Unity and for others. This could be due to the camera angle, photo capture method, or a delay in the gesture triggering when the picture was taken. You might want to test different capture methods or check if there are any issues with the expression syncing at the time of the photo.

[karmic junco]

Idk it's just what the person who fixed it for me made it as, it wasn't that large at first

[ornate stump]

Is it supposed to be that size in game?

[fervent spear]

ohhh alr thankyou :) so its not a unity problem ?

[karmic junco]

In VR Chat or the game it comes from?

If the ladder than no

[ornate stump]

In vrchat.

[karmic junco]

Oh, well not really

But we already made a bunch of stuff around that size so

[ornate stump]

Then you need to scale down to appropriate size before you start working on numbers involving size.

[urban cloud]

No, it doesn't seem to be a Unity problem. The issue is likely related to how the gesture and expression are being captured in the photo or how the VRChat camera interacts with your avatar. Unity works fine since it simulates the avatar's behavior, but the photo capture might have some timing or syncing quirks.

[karmic junco]

We added some kind of bullet thing to it, idk how well that will scale

[fervent spear]

ah alright:) thankyou for the help!

[karmic junco]

This is the size of the OG (left) model compared to what they made it (right)

Again idk why they did that

[urban cloud]

Ofcc anytime :3

[karmic junco]

Is there an easy way to scale everything down?

[ornate stump]

Just scale the avatar root object down.

[karmic junco]

Think I'm getting it

If anyone knows a thing about Poiyomi Shaders, how I scale these orbs down

[odd bane]

well noped I guess 2019 dont support vrchat

[ornate stump]

How does that involve poiyomi shader?

[karmic junco]

Because that's how we made it

[ornate stump]

Would you rather mean changing size of particle in particle system?

[karmic junco]

Idk probably

[nova flicker]

Can someone help me ?
I am trying to make an avatar, and im on the part where i created a hand layer to hold the facial expressions.
I made the expressions, and the layers. but when I test it in unity via Gesture Manager, it doesnt work. I would cycle through the different gestures but it doesnt work. It only apepars for a SPLIT second when i disable the gesture or immediately just enter and exit the animation. https://gyazo.com/896eb73106d3228fa49109e61c949854

Here are the settings of my expressions and animations.

[ornate stump]

You should screenshot transition settings too.

[ornate stump]

Are you sure the second keyframe on each animation isn't just idle?

[crimson veldt]

trying to add physbones to the braids, but for some reason it's not working. Would anyone know why?

[ornate stump]

Does the physbone component has chained more than one bone?

[crimson veldt]

Nope, don't think so

[night ember]

thats not even a bone

[crimson veldt]

oh LOL

that's probably it then 💀

[ornate stump]

Look for actual bones in Armature.

[crimson veldt]

OH i think I found them

yup, found them

[nova flicker]

not idle

[ornate stump]

Just to be sure, can you screenshot the second keyframe values as well?

[grizzled crow]

why is the empty node not in the proper location in blender vs unity?

[nova flicker]

actually- i just deleted the second keyframe and it fixed it. I guess its cuz the keyframe EXISTED in the first place. but now it works.

[karmic junco]

Still ned help scaling this down

[ornate stump]

Change particle start size.

[karmic junco]

What is that under

[ornate stump]

Did you made it with particle system?

[karmic junco]

This?

Again, I didn't make this

I was sent it

[ornate stump]

Now you're making it so you'd have to start getting to know how it was made.

[grizzled crow]

figured out the gizmo problem.

how do I make it smoothly transition when switching between animations via the radial menu?

[ornate stump]

Search for a topic "animated animator parameter".

[grizzled crow]

here?

[ornate stump]

If you couldn't find here then google next.

[vagrant hare]

guy how can this avatar move perfectly with no bone HOW?? i want this to my avatar

[abstract crag]

Bruh I am finna cry... Spent so much money on assets and a base cause I suck at making shit

just for this shit to pop up at the finish line

[ornate stump]

Do you see material slot count and mesh count?

[abstract crag]

I dont know how to optimize I barely even figured out how to get these assets strapped together

[vagrant hare]

is a lots and it red

[ornate stump]

That's how it move. It has custom R6 animation moving each body part as individual objects.

[abstract crag]

imma crash out booth doesnt do refunds and this shit is not working

[arctic ginkgo]

i mean tbh it's either a lot of money or a lot of time. you pay someone to do it for you or you learn how to do it yourself

[vagrant hare]

how can i do it tho? make a animation of my r6 character?

[abstract crag]

( user error but still )

[arctic ginkgo]

best thing you can do is sink some time into it

if you're fine with it being unoptimized it looks like it works (on pc, not quest), but if you want to optimize you just have to learn how to

there are some tools to help as well

[abstract crag]

I own a quest and prefer to not play tethered or linked

[ornate stump]

Look for tutorial on how to record animation in unity in general.

[vagrant hare]

ok

[arctic ginkgo]

first step then is looking at the quest requirements to upload

[abstract crag]

that list has 20 things on it

[arctic ginkgo]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#mobile-limits

[abstract crag]

all of which confuse and scare me

[arctic ginkgo]

take it one step at a time then

[ornate stump]

Although R6 animation might already be available somewhere but I don't have an answer to that.

[abstract crag]

I see unsuported shader after unsuported shader

[arctic ginkgo]

also there's some things that have HARD limits on quest, target those first

[honest sun]

Could someone help? My uploaded avatar wont let me look left or right and I cant move. This is my first time working with avatars and I dont really know what Im doing.... Any help is appreciated!

[arctic ginkgo]

okay that's a good place to start, probably the easiest thing to fix

[abstract crag]

like bruh if I spent $100 on something this shit should just work

[vagrant hare]

ok i well find it ty for your help renfrew I appreciate it👍

[arctic ginkgo]

if you didn't either commission someone or buy a pre-made avatar it won't work

[abstract crag]

it works perfect on pc but I feel like complaining rn

[arctic ginkgo]

if i go to home depot and i want a shed so i purchase some lumber, i'm not going to have a shed, i still have to build it. I could hire someone else to or buy a premade one (and those would cost more money) or i could make it myself

[ornate stump]

Can't expect to pay premium on sport car just to tow a boat rig.

[abstract crag]

it looks like the problem is liltoon which this entire avatar is based around

[arctic ginkgo]

you need to use quest compatible shaders

it's pretty easy to do though

[abstract crag]

hmmm

[honest sun]

this is all on pc btw, I haven't tried on vr yet

[arctic ginkgo]

first step is navigate to your materials folder and select all your materials, then change the shader to something in the "VRChat>Mobile" folder

there are some exceptions, you can't use skybox, lightmapped, or alpha blended

[vagrant hare]

wait hold on well .rbxm work when i put it on my character?

[arctic ginkgo]

those are world quest shaders, not avatar ones, so they are blocked as well

[ornate stump]

Not in unity obviously.

[abstract crag]

how would I know if that shader would screw everything up and should I use one shader for both pc and quest or keep them seperate?

[vagrant hare]

oh ok

[arctic ginkgo]

up to you, easy quest switch can help with keeping your materials separated without having to redo animations for material swaps

[vagrant hare]

can i change it to unity animation? or no

[arctic ginkgo]

https://github.com/vrchat-community/EasyQuestSwitch

[ornate stump]

I don't have an answer to that.

[vagrant hare]

k

[warm ferry]

Hellooo, the avatar I downloaded the other day is having this issue where, it looks completely normal for me, but then for others im half way in the ground. Ive been trying to figure this out for days, and i cant seem to do it. Ill do anythinggggg for help. just DM me

[abstract crag]

I am hardly understanding any of this

I am now frightened 😭

[arctic ginkgo]

@abstract crag

outside of the shaders, these are the things you HAVE to fix to upload to quest

the other ones you should, but i understand if you just want to have it working, you can always optimize the rest later

[abstract crag]

I just wanted to do Komano with a bunch of shirt toggles and a sword added... why is it taking so much space xD

[ornate stump]

With that amount of assets, this wouldn't be able to uploaded to quest due to excessive size.

[abstract crag]

wish I had known that before I spent 85 fucking dollars

[arctic ginkgo]

your total file size (both compressed and uncompressed) might also have to be cut down, I don't know what those are but judging by texture memory they are probably pretty high

[abstract crag]

I wish I could show you my unity tab so I can understand if what I am trying to accomplish is even probable

[arctic ginkgo]

i mean again, this is like going to home depot and buying lumber and expecting the shed to build itself. I am sorry you spent so much money, but you should do some research first before investing that much. At this point the best thing to do is push forward and learn how to build it yourself

[vagrant hare]

one more thing what bone should i set should I set as humanoid or something else?

[arctic ginkgo]

you can get it uplaoded to Quest, you may have to remove some things but it's possible

[ornate stump]

R6 isn't humanoid so keep it generic.

[abstract crag]

do unused assets in my project folder get added to the file size?

[arctic ginkgo]

nope, the file size is the total size of the avatar file that is sent to the servers

[jolly wraith]

Alright how do i fix this?

[abstract crag]

bros asking a similar quest to me

[arctic ginkgo]

when you upload the avatar gets everything it needs and strips uneccesary data before packaging everything up into one file and sending it to VRChat's servers. This is what is used in calculating the uncompressed and compressed size

[abstract crag]

only the diffrence is 100mb

[arctic ginkgo]

Quest limits are 40mb for uncompressed and 10mb for compressed

[abstract crag]

okay so what would be the smartest way to test what assets are taking the most space?

[arctic ginkgo]

https://github.com/MunifiSense/VRChat-Build-Size-Viewer

[jolly wraith]

this is the quest side of an already PC uploaded Avatar how do i reduce the size

[arctic ginkgo]

a useful tool for finding what contributes most to file size @abstract crag @jolly wraith

https://github.com/MunifiSense/VRChat-Build-Size-Viewer
https://github.com/vrchat-community/EasyQuestSwitch
https://github.com/d4rkc0d3r/d4rkAvatarOptimizer
https://github.com/rurre/PumkinsAvatarTools

here's a whole bunch of helpful tools

[abstract crag]

issue is these assets are all in japanese so I am understanding nothing of what I am reading

[arctic ginkgo]

• visualizes size contribution by each aspect of your avatar (helps break down and find problem areas for optimization)
• helps quickly switch between assets on avatars when uploading between Quest and PC
• can make some optimizations on your avatar that are otherwise impossible within Unity alone
• has many helpful tools for avatar creation, most notably Reset Pose and Copy Components

[arctic ginkgo]

you probably don't need to know too much of what the assets themselves say

it's mostly the unity stuff you need to read, which should be in english

or have unique icons

[abstract crag]

it looks like its just two assets (ofc its the most expensive ones smh) that are causing it to go way over between bones and storage

so I could always duplicate my unity project three times,

do one version with everything for pc only

do one for quest/pc only with neither of those two

do one for quest with just the one outfit thats taking too much space

@arctic ginkgo while I have you here, whats the diffrence between private and public upload

[ornate stump]

Private can be used only by you and is unclonable by any mean.

[abstract crag]

ah perfect, so thats the one to press considering A. Terms of use in the avatar I bought B. I aint letting nobody clone this xD

[urban cloud]

You're trying to upload an avatar that you don't own, which is causing the upload to fail. Ensure you have the rights to the avatar and check for network issues or file size limits.

[arctic ginkgo]

clearing blueprint ID is something it does sometimes

[abstract crag]

holy crap

[arctic ginkgo]

like other things that cause it to fail will also clear the blueprint ID and give the same message

[abstract crag]

the amount of errors plumited

[arctic ginkgo]

what was causing it?

also jsyk aren't errors

[abstract crag]

ok well

the amount of validations problems plummeted

[arctic ginkgo]

= very poor performance rank
🛑 = error
⚠️ = warning

people get these confused all the time and they mean different things

1. poor optimization but can be uploaded
2. important issue blocking you from uploading
3. issue that may cause disfunction OR letting you know that certain components on your avatar may be limited – still lets you upload

[abstract crag]

I had a bunch of assets that had a heavy amount of textures and triangles that were designed really for pc only and removed them from the quest exclusive version of this avatar in a diffrent unity project of it

[arctic ginkgo]

well that makes sense

textures are usually the biggest culprit for memory size and file size (both compressed and uncompressed)

[abstract crag]

funny enough both those assets can be used for quest avatars but only if they are like the only thing there

[arctic ginkgo]

blendshapes on high poly models can also take up lots of memory, while animations can take up lots of your file size if you have lots of them and complex ones

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah people don't optimize their shit

imo you shouldn't be selling assets if you can't optimize

[abstract crag]

this

[arctic ginkgo]

learn that skill first before you start selling

other people shouldn't have to do it for you

[abstract crag]

shoulda known it would be an issue when each one was 300mb from the download page

[arctic ginkgo]

although i also will say if your avatar is unoptimized because you bought a bajillion assets and slapped them all together in unity that is a little on you, but it seems that in your case it was mostly a handful of individual assets that were really poorly optimized

[arctic ginkgo]

some people just throw the sun at their avatar and expect it to work without any frame drops and still be quest compatible

[abstract crag]

okay so we are down to 6 things stopping me...

5 unsupported shaders...

and download size 💀

[arctic ginkgo]

unsupported shaders are ez like i said

just find your materials and swap the shader

[abstract crag]

its the download size tho

its still 44.99mb

and I have zero clue how to optimize it

[ornate stump]

Start removing things that's pretty much it.

[abstract crag]

if I remove anything else imma have like two shirts like nah fuck that

[arctic ginkgo]

depending on what type of shading it does there are different ones you can use, but the main ones are: standard lite (good for more "realistic" type lighting, toon lit (totally flat) and matcap lit (good for cel shading and metallic things)

[arctic ginkgo]

build size viewer should help with finding the largest areas to tackle

[abstract crag]

noted

[arctic ginkgo]

@abstract crag let's focus on the materials first, have you located them in your assets?

[abstract crag]

the mobile ones i need to replace or the ones unsuported?

[arctic ginkgo]

https://docs.vrcft.io/ and look up ft tutorials on youtube

[arctic ginkgo]

the unsupported materials should be the ones you need to replace

https://docs.vrcft.io/docs/category/avatar-setup-guide

[abstract crag]

oh wait I get it now

[arctic ginkgo]

website has instructions for setting up ft for your headset and also for setting up ft on an avatar

just asking you to find a facetracking avatar and set up your facetracking so you know it works

[abstract crag]

should be simple enough just need to use a little brain power

[arctic ginkgo]

there are public ones made for testing

[warm ferry]

So can anyone help me with my avatar sinking into the ground for others?

[arctic ginkgo]

alright, typically you'll find your materials in a folder called "materials", but there probably will be one for each asset

[arctic ginkgo]

do they have your avatar fully shown? fallbacks can sometimes appear at the wrong height

[arctic ginkgo]

actually i think you can search by materials

[warm ferry]

half of my body is in the ground for everyone except me. The half that is visible to them looks normal

[arctic ginkgo]

@abstract crag type t:material into your asset search bar

alright, then go to the avatar setup page of the website

i know they exist, this is more references for the shapes and parameters

[abstract crag]

there are so many in here I don't even use xD

[arctic ginkgo]

yes it is

you have to make the shapes yourself

the parameters will be added for you if you use a ft package for unity

but you have to make the actual shapes yourself, the tools aren't automatic modelers

in blender you need to create the appropriate shapekeys

look up youtube tutorials on adding basic facetracking, they'll show you how to do it

either learn, hire someone to, or don't do it

okay then hire someone

and if you don't want to do that then just don't have face tracking on your avatar

it's a fairly complex thing to setup, so you can either throw money at it, use avatars with facetracking already on them, do it yourself, or just not use your facetracking

[arctic ginkgo]

go through them and for each one that you do use, change the shader to either Standard Lite, Toon Lit, or Matcap lit

matcap lit needs a matcap texture though or it will just look like toon lit

[abstract crag]

OH

thats what you meant

bruhhh

[arctic ginkgo]

standard lite is basic "realistic" shading, toon lit is flat lighting

you can select and edit multiple at once

shift to highlight everything between two materials and ctrl to select multiple non-consecutive ones

then edit the shader once and it'll change them for all of them

[abstract crag]

what would be a good shader in your opinion

(ignore the plain t-shirt I have a variety of tshirts for this avi)

[arctic ginkgo]

you asked how to do something complex and 3D then got mad when the answer required you to learn the basics of a 3D program and Unity.. because you don't want to watch furries 😭

if you don't want to do the work again you can throw money at it or give up

[abstract crag]

bro's expecting handouts lmao

[arctic ginkgo]

i would say toon lit or matcap lit

matcap lit can give you fake cel shading if you'd like

woahh

calm down pls

[warm ferry]

if you dont like interacting with furries dont play vrchat lmaoo

[arctic ginkgo]

no need to insult others

okay then don't do it

you asked us to help you so idk what else you want

[abstract crag]

bro take a joke damn

its not that deep, unlike how I was in your mom last night

[arctic ginkgo]

😭

[abstract crag]

awwww someones pissy

xD

[warm ferry]

uhm so can u help with my stupid sinking avatar? aha

[arctic ginkgo]

also dude switchedpc is a beginner too, sunk money into this shit and instead of crying about how hard it is he's actually learning how to do it

you could learn a thing or two lisa

[abstract crag]

HA thanks sunshine

[arctic ginkgo]

you asked for use to help you learn how to do it

if you didn't want that you shouldn't have asked

i didn't jump to any conclusions, i did not mean you were literally crying

[abstract crag]

"I work"

bruh I work 50 hours a week, and have a very active social life too

[arctic ginkgo]

i just meant you're complaining

if you don't have the time to learn how to do it, i just don't get why you'd ask for help

fucking ironic lol

[abstract crag]

bros saying stay blocked as if we care

[arctic ginkgo]

so quick to start a fight over a game lmfao

[abstract crag]

real

[arctic ginkgo]

they left the server too 😭

[abstract crag]

anyways back to our civilized discussion

[arctic ginkgo]

alright, if you want cel shading then I would use matcap lit, you just need to find a cel shading matcap texture, otherwise you can stick with the flat lighting and use toon lit

[abstract crag]

what exactly is cel shading and how useful can it be

[arctic ginkgo]

cel shading is like cartoon/anime shading, usually it has hard lines between shadows and highlights

like this

[abstract crag]

so that could be quite useful for the avatar I am making

given its definetly in the anime style

[arctic ginkgo]

here's a basic one i use for cel shading

[abstract crag]

that looks pretty good

[arctic ginkgo]

a matcap texture basically shows what it would look like if you put it on a white sphere

[warm ferry]

@arctic ginkgo sorry to bother u butttt uhh i really cant figure this out

[arctic ginkgo]

the texture is multiplied on top of the original texture, and it uses the angle from the camera to determine which part of the texture should be used

[abstract crag]

so given what you have seen about this avatar in your personal opinion what is better matcap or toon lit

[abstract crag]

good to know

[arctic ginkgo]

if you want it to look the same as it does on PC then probably toon lit, but matcaps can look good on anime avatars

it's really a personal preference

[abstract crag]

damn thats tough

[arctic ginkgo]

i like to pair it with outlines if i do use matcaps

[abstract crag]

I have never really seen the diffrence so its tough

[arctic ginkgo]

although you probably have too many polys for that

outlines double the poly count on quest

[abstract crag]

I dont run outlines so probably best if I use toon lit

did you say there was a way to quickly change all shaders that use Lil toon to a diffrent shader?

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah, the screenshot you showed me looks like it's flat lighting, all the shadows are textured on there

[arctic ginkgo]

yep, just select the first material, then scroll to the last one and shift+click it, then change the shader and it will change it for all of them

[abstract crag]

what do I do if my shader option is black out 💀

[arctic ginkgo]

send a screenshot?

[abstract crag]

also what should I do for transparent stuff?

[arctic ginkgo]

it might be some of your fbx weren't imported with external materials

[arctic ginkgo]

true transparency isn't aloud on quest. A hacky sort of solution is to add an extra material slot and use both multiply and additive, with multiply being first, but this only works if the transparent material is the last on the material slots list (or the only one)

the other solution is to manually cut it out in blender

[arctic ginkgo]

okay, those look they are mostly used for face stuff that could work with the additive + multiply thing, again as long as they are the last in the material slot order

[abstract crag]

elaborate on that material slot order thing

I dont understand it

if you can

[arctic ginkgo]

so whatever model is using that material, it might have multiple other materials as well. There will be a list of what materials it uses. If this one is at the bottom, then adding to that list will just put both of them in the same spot, which lets you overlap transparent materials

[abstract crag]

funny enough I dont even think that ones in use

[arctic ginkgo]

alright, then you shouldn't need to worry about it

[abstract crag]

I have reached an annoying issue

should I be worried about how bright everything got when I changed to a diff texture

[arctic ginkgo]

you change the material and everything got brighter?

what does it look like now?

[abstract crag]

I changed the shader from liltoon to toon lit

[arctic ginkgo]

can you send a screenshot of how it looks now?

[abstract crag]

I only changed the body and face but

the one on the right is liltoon

[arctic ginkgo]

it doesn't look too bright to me, it looks like it's affected by the light a little more

because it's a little more yellow

[abstract crag]

yeah

[arctic ginkgo]

but if you are worried you can always use matcap lit and use a flat color texture to dim it a little bit

[abstract crag]

which isnt innately bad considering how many darker worlds I hang out in

[arctic ginkgo]

imo toon lit looks fine

[abstract crag]

I think it looks fine too

I just wanted to make sure I wasnt tripping balls

[arctic ginkgo]

since you play on quest you've probably seen it a million times, any avatar that doesn't have dynamic shading on it is using toon lit

[abstract crag]

oh crap what should I do for the hair

[arctic ginkgo]

is the hair transparent?

[abstract crag]

huh... yeah I can name a few

[abstract crag]

a fate worse than death, Transparent Outline

[arctic ginkgo]

oof okay, what does it look like if you switch to toon lit?

[abstract crag]

one sec

too much brighter

[arctic ginkgo]

it doesn't have any black areas though?

it may just be using inverted hull outlines

[abstract crag]

none

[arctic ginkgo]

which are quest compatible

alright, if it is too bright you can always use matcap lit, just use a texture on top of it to make it dimmer. a light gray will make it a little darker

it could literally just be 1 pixel

[abstract crag]

how does one such as I do that

[arctic ginkgo]

i usually use an image editing/drawing software

like photoshop, krita, etc

i have FireAlpaca, which is free

[abstract crag]

I meant placing a texure on top

[arctic ginkgo]

ohh you would change the shader to matcap lit and then put the gray texture in the matcap texture slot

just import the image and then drag it in or select the box and search for the image

[abstract crag]

thank you, also it turns the ear fluff to yellow... how do I avoid that

[arctic ginkgo]

the yellow color is from the light source in your scene

the light is yellow, so the model turns yellow

if you want to see what it looks like under just white you can select your light and change the color to white

[abstract crag]

ohhh

then the hair is probably fine

[arctic ginkgo]

something i do recommend doing, at least for all your body parts and clothes (but not necessarily for any items, up to you) is selecting all of the mesh renderers and skinned mesh renderers and setting an anchor override for all of them

just setting it to the same thing, usually the hips

it just helps the lighting to be more consistent, especially with toon lit

[abstract crag]

okay under diffrent light the hair looks fine

[abstract crag]

noted

[arctic ginkgo]

most worlds have "light probes" which are invisible boxes that tell you what the light color and brightness are inside of them so it's easier to light dynamic things like pickups and avatars, but to know if an item is inside of that box it uses it's anchor. By default it's the center of the bounding box for each mesh (basically just the center of the item), but if for example your head and body are different, this means they could be in two different boxes and light differently. The anchor override will just set a manual point for what determines which box it's in, so if you set it to the hips for everything, your whole model will light the same and it will base it on where your hips are in the world

especially in really dark worlds this can be an issue, it'll sometimes cause your body to be really dark while your head is really light or vice versa, this can happen with any seperate object on your avatar

again this probably isn't an issue for items/props, but you will want your head, body, and clothes to all light the same way

[abstract crag]

what is the fastesy way to change that I have a lot of clothing toggles

[arctic ginkgo]

just select all your clothes and each part of your body (if it is separated), then drag the hip bone into the anchor override slot

it will change it for all of them at once

i do think thry's avatar tools will do this for you though

https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools

when you go to upload your avatar, this tool gives you a pop up saying that your avatar doesn't have anchor overrides set, and if you click "yes" to set them it'll do it automatically

[abstract crag]

this this or?

[arctic ginkgo]

no it's not a VRCFury thing, just on the skinned mesh renderers in the inspector

[hollow moon]

So I'm starting an avatar project, but I need help with knowing what blender thing to pick when making the new file for my avatar. If context is needed, I have a model that I downloaded, but I also only have a little bit of experience in doing basic world modeling in blender as I started a vrchat world project by building its parts in blender.

[arctic ginkgo]

general file works fine

[hollow moon]

Thanks.

[abstract crag]

so all the clothes need to anchor to the same points they would like when I link them in vrcfury or?