quest-general

[sage otter]

Maybe re read what I said and you’ll understand what I really did mean.

[jagged trench]

the chat mods don't determine the rules of the Discord server they just enforce them

[woeful cypress]

VRChat makes the framework and guidelines.
The players make the content.

The Country makes the Laws.
The Companies make the products.

[sage otter]

You’ve just completely thrown out what youve said earlier

[woeful cypress]

Without a framework, comapnies would exploit you to hell, sell you the dirtiest shit and not give a damn

Just cus they can.

[honest oar]

And your limited the content

[urban arch]

They already do that

[sage otter]

You are the one that brought in my country laws lmfao not me.

[fast sable]

FPaul give up dude you’ve lost 🤣

[jagged trench]

and be blunt none of you quest users complaining about the transparency are going to accomplish anything by complaining in here whoever is in charge of shaders on vrchat probably isn't even in this Discord server

[urban arch]

Might I ask where you and your uneeded sarcasm comes in? 🙃

[fast sable]

There is no way you have a slim chance of going against the whole damn quest community

[fathom harbor]

The white knights of vrc ong

[woeful cypress]

?

[jagged trench]

so far I've only seen about 10 people complaining

[sage otter]

This is the point I’m giving at when you’ve brought in country laws lmfao? My country won’t stop me from eating sushi for example because it wasn’t made by them so it’s not allowed.

[honest oar]

It makes people want to do more and more content

[woeful cypress]

The whole community?
There is a few people ranting here atm.

The Quest community is MASSIVE.

[sage otter]

So bringing in VRCs content rules and then my country’s laws is a silly silly comparison.

[jagged trench]

probably most of the quest Community isn't even on this Discord

[sage otter]

Cause most of the quest community is 9.

[fast sable]

Nah… VRchat has made a lot of people upset

[woeful cypress]

You made it clear you don't understand why limits have to exist.
It tired giving you an example.

[woeful cypress]

Where are they?

[sage otter]

Or you just can’t keep on going?

For a man whose position is to actually glaze the fuck outta vrc you don’t have much response do you?

[jagged trench]

I've literally only heard 10 people complaining here

[urban arch]

Said unnecessary sarcasm

[sage otter]

Except just “Vrchat said you can’t do that so don’t duh.”

[honest oar]

On the game upset

I could record it for you

[fast sable]

You make everything so complicated with your damn SDK because “there is only so much Ram” GET something better to run your game!!!

[honest oar]

Want me to

[fast sable]

Well

VRchat not you

Your nothing but a mod

[jagged trench]

there isn't any better mobile Hardware so basically it's put up with the limitations or no VR chat at all for you if you can't afford PC VR

[sage otter]

mods aren’t real people

I refuse to believe it

[fast sable]

Get a better engine to run your game?

[woeful cypress]

They don't just say that because they like giving you limits.

The hardware has limits, the hardware manufracturer them self even influenced some of those limits.
To make a community work, you have to have a framework where not a few can spoil the experience for a mass.

[jagged trench]

there isn't one

[hidden holly]

Each update gets worse and worse

[sage otter]

Just realise the game only really cares about PC 🙏🙏

[honest oar]

Exactly

[sage otter]

They’ll only fix Oculus issues if it’s dampening the player count

[woeful cypress]

RIght, that's why there's been so much focus on standalone vr optimisations, and even a new platform adaption just recently?

[hidden holly]

It's even affecting quest 3 apparently

[jagged trench]

there's only so much they can fix with a glorified cell phone with a user base that is trying to shove AAA graphics on it

[sage otter]

And the limits have been pushed for modded SDK’s and I’ve only been fucked over by Vrchats updates more then Modded sdks 💀

[jagged trench]

it's not that much more powerful than a Quest 2

[sage otter]

Vrchat on phone was the most idiotic and useless thing that could be done

[jagged trench]

like oh cool you made a bicycle twice as fast still slow as heck compared to a car

[honest oar]

But still the quest 3 but it’s affecting that then you’ll really need to think about this

[sage otter]

A game that breaks more with the amount of times they’ve tried to fix it, and the solution is “hey let’s do a new event, and even put it on phone” Where it’s gonna break even more lmao.

[woeful cypress]

That is relevant how?
And no it wasn't

It's great to be able to check in with friend when on the go for travel or overnight stays.
And it's basically just at the very start of it's platform.

[jagged trench]

the quest 3 is still going to have a hard time with transparency rendering as that's inherent to tiles based rendering on mobile Hardware

[sage otter]

Coming in just now, Vrchat mobile is a great way to check in on a friend that’s having a life.

[honest oar]

It wasn’t having a hard time people was fine with it

[woeful cypress]

Are you just ranting or actually given it a chance?

[sage otter]

Vrc Mobile is useless and un needed

[woeful cypress]

For you

Not everyone

[jagged trench]

they're not going to like it because no very poor avatars

[sage otter]

If you really love vrchat mobile you are chronically online.

And what the odds of vrc mobile running even worst 💀

[jagged trench]

it's going to run better because there's no very poor avatars and it's not stereoscopic rendering

[woeful cypress]

Well, the question is if that will change when Very Poors eventually vanish from Quest / Pico as well
Which is a possibility.

[honest oar]

Mobile won’t even handle the normal stuff that vrchat has

[sage otter]

And I’m shaq

[woeful cypress]

Neither does Quest.

[sage otter]

Vrchat Mobile is disgusting idea 💀

[jagged trench]

like vrchat literally has to do half the work on the mobile version that it does on Quest rendering wise

[honest oar]

Quest does handle it fine and I been playing Vrchat ever since I got my quest

[woeful cypress]

You realise that the smartphone is litteraly a quest without VR?

[sage otter]

Spawning in a 3rd wave of children into Vrchat.

[jagged trench]

and some of the flagship phones would have better specs than a quest 3

[woeful cypress]

Easily

[jagged trench]

with half the workload

[woeful cypress]

Not exactly half, but yeah, no stereoscopic

Not 3D space tracking

Desktop equivalent on a PC

[weak minnow]

who let him cook

[honest oar]

You’ll are crazy

[sage otter]

😭

[honest oar]

A phone

[sage otter]

If you are so stuck online that you want vrchat mobile you really seriously need some help.

[jagged trench]

"The Quest 3 uses the Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2, a system-on-chip manufactured by Qualcomm and based on their Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 flagship mobile phone SoC"

[honest oar]

Running Vrchat how does the brain say yes to that

Think about it

[sage otter]

Mfs gon jump on the phone once the quest dies.

[honest oar]

It’s a phone

[woeful cypress]

Same platform as your quest

[honest oar]

And It’s not going to run

[woeful cypress]

quite litterally

[honest oar]

Quest runs just fine

[jagged trench]

the quest is literally a cell phone processor with some extra cores glued on for space tracking

[sage otter]

And from how you speak vrc can barely function quest

[fast sable]

Yeah and VRChat even sucks at doing that properly… if I went to college in went into the software and game development community I wouldn’t half ass shit

[sage otter]

How you expecting it to function on a phone so well as you claim lol

[woeful cypress]

The android build runs just fine too?
And i don't even have a flagship phone.

[jagged trench]

here's a simple one 30 frames per second is an acceptable frame rate on a phone

[ember raptor]

do it

[honest oar]

This is Quest and phone

[fast sable]

I will, and I plan to

[woeful cypress]

There is no random expectation... i've litterally used it before.

Works fine, is a nice option in the right cases.

[ember raptor]

good for you, man

[sage otter]

Of course you’ve used it💀

[fast sable]

Thanks 👍

[honest oar]

I’m on quest right now running smoothly

[sage otter]

The guy who’s gonna defend vrchat till his grave

[woeful cypress]

Yeah, is pretty cool 🙃

Oh, oh shit.
I poosted proof
How dare me.

[fathom harbor]

How much do they pay you people to dick ride shitty vrchat mod decisions? 💀

[honest oar]

Bro..

[sage otter]

They just give them mod

[honest oar]

Why.

[jagged trench]

from what I can tell the chat mods are entirely volunteers

[sage otter]

Mods loooooove vrchat

[woeful cypress]

Correct.

[sage otter]

they’ve also definitely got thousands of hours on vrc 🙏

[fathom harbor]

Then why are y’all defending this so much?

[woeful cypress]

Why do you think everyone has to be your opinion? affiliated or not?
xD

[fast sable]

Yikes… let’s hope you lose your role today

[sage otter]

when can I be banned 🙏

[woeful cypress]

You're just ranting, why would you be banned?

[sage otter]

seems like a fun list to be on

[woeful cypress]

Leaving this DIscord would have the same efect.

[jagged trench]

showing positive opinions towards modded sdks?

[sage otter]

Just wouldn’t feel the same

[sage otter]

So Real

[fast sable]

Ranting, nah this is stating factual problems that most people have had a problem with for a long damn while

[sage otter]

vrchats sdk is fuckin disgusting, I hate the blue colour

[woeful cypress]

Even that is fine tho, people can have opinions.
distributing of proving own use is where it becomes an issue.

[jagged trench]

just wondering as I have seen some folks whacked in here today for admitting to modded SDK use

[ember raptor]

you can rant while still stating the factually correct

[sage otter]

In a sense, who the fuck actually cares about using a modded sdk.

[honest oar]

Some people use it because some people thinks it’s better no most of the thinks it better

[fast sable]

Fair

[woeful cypress]

The problem are not the mods it's self, but the bypassing of limits
That's why it's something VRChat has to care about

[sage otter]

If you genuinely get in a right upset mood because someone used a modded sdk on a game you have 0 effect in, you need to step outside and think about your life more.

[jagged trench]

well it's important to know if you're using it or not when filing the bug reports

[ember raptor]

vrchat does, as its against their terms of service (which you agreed to follow)

[weak minnow]

and?

[weak minnow]

yet vrc dose fuck all about it

[sage otter]

Not sure what mods and shit know what modded sdks actually do?

[jagged trench]

so sounds like you should have went outside and touched grass several hours ago

[honest oar]

Swear

[ember raptor]

isnt the reason people are angry right now because their doing something about it tho?

[sage otter]

It’s the middle of winter and currently 2:22AM on a Friday.

I think me touching grass would be kind of useless at night.

[jagged trench]

sounds like you need to go to bed

[woeful cypress]

Why would mods not be able to aquire the same informations as a normal user?

[ember raptor]

hey man nothing wrong with being a night owl

[sage otter]

Sounds like you’ve used a modded sdk 🤷‍♂️

[fast sable]

ONG this Paul dude probably is named Paul irl and lives in his mamas basement and is as pale as his grandmas ghost next to him

[fathom harbor]

Stop sweating over a game y’all mean nothing to💀 if your volunteers that means you discord mods can be replaced so you mean nothing that’s crazy

[woeful cypress]

Ya know that you can learn about things without using them?
By seeing what docs say, or tutorials?

Or people ratting on them self in there every now and then?

[honest oar]

We seen them

[weak minnow]

bro is spitting facts

[sage otter]

People use modded sdk to change a single shader, and you lot over here pissing your pants.

[jagged trench]

well they do have the power to make you cease to exist on here so probably best not to antagonize them

[sage otter]

“I-I-uh this is gonna break the game!!! Pushing the limits?!?! The hardware!!!” People use it to use the standard shader.

[honest oar]

And it looks better helping people making more content just saying

[sage otter]

Modded SDKs literally make content look better then your own sdk 😭

[fathom harbor]

That just means they are afraid to accept facts lmao

[woeful cypress]

Which is not a mobile optimized shader and not whitelisted for reasons like that.

[jagged trench]

also bloat vram usage

[weak minnow]

fr yalls are shit

[sage otter]

If your game can’t run a standard shader that’s all on you 😭😭

[honest oar]

But quest was able to run it

[woeful cypress]

Better by bypassing the limitations that are there to ensure you can have many people in a lobby looking decent and not a single one that taks up 5 or more peoples slot.

[woeful cypress]

Able to run, does not mean it's good for it's and other peoples performance

[ember raptor]

guys why cant i play cyberpunk 2077 on my iphone i dont get it

[woeful cypress]

The qust absolutely could run a 1gb avatar with tons of polygons and materials... with you alone in the lobby.
But running, and sane is 2 different things.

[honest oar]

It’s fine people loved it why remove it there no point

There no problem with it at all

[sage otter]

You act like modded sdks are used to completely go above and beyond and do all this crazy shit. You have a 10mb quest limit chill the fuck out, ain’t nothing crazy making it under 10 mbs 💀

[jagged trench]

I've heard from the dev team that the main thing being optimized by the standard light Shader is Shader variations in vram because the standard Shader makes multiple copies of itself to skip instructions to make it render faster where is the VR chat mobile version uses only one variation

[woeful cypress]

The people running out of memory, and having performance issues definitely didn't.

[woeful cypress]

Even my PC avatar is below that 10mb limit xD
It's not even hard.
compress textures.
reduce their res where not needed.

[honest oar]

Its still happening

[sage otter]

Congratulations, your medal should arrive soon.

[fathom harbor]

It was annoying but people would rather deal with that then deal with oppressive

[sage otter]

People simply make better stuff with modded sdks

[honest oar]

Exactly

It’s the game not the modded SDK doing it

[sage otter]

Which you can’t really deny that fact and come up with some vrc suckin up reply like “but oh uh uh the vrc limitations!” I’m not talking about any of that

[woeful cypress]

Better is a relative term.
Easier to archive good looking but worse performing.
Instead of putting in work to optimize it and have it good looking and good performing.
There is only so much hardware power on the system.

[sage otter]

I’m saying quite simply people using modded sdks still make the Avis look better and nicer

[sage otter]

Uploading is impossible without optimising.

[fathom harbor]

This is the same as the mods getting removed they don’t listen to people and are slowly selling out more and more and letting oppression take over instead of caring what people think

[honest oar]

And there optimizing everything

[fathom harbor]

Mods weren’t a problem so why are shaders?

[honest oar]

Literally

[thick silo]

On god

[sage otter]

Vrchat mfs when they find out not everyone in the community makes tiny anime avatars and furries 😨😨😨

[honest oar]

You’ll ruining this game more of you keep this going

[woeful cypress]

Most people are just fine with it now tho.
It heavily reduced compromised account rates.
It also reduced people making tons of incorrect support requests for issues mods cause.
And a result of that is VRChat is now able to iterate a lot faster and better.

[fast sable]

I’m so sick of Games like VRchat not making there games simple for creators all over the world…

[sage otter]

maybe vrchat gotta start employing these sdk mod creators 💀💀💀

[fast sable]

ONG!!!

[fathom harbor]

You wanted to bring up study’s before so where’s the study of mods slowing vrc down huh?

[sage otter]

hey missile

[ember raptor]

you do realise that even if they did they'd come to the same conclusion that current vrchat staff have right?

[sage otter]

everyone defending vrc has slowly just dipped

[honest oar]

Swear

[woeful cypress]

The people making the game talking about that at various occasions.
And... common sense?
Also, the updates and rate before and after.

[jagged trench]

https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update

[ember raptor]

Did you know! In order for you app to get added to the oculous store you need to hit a consistent 72fps?

[honest oar]

Every update ruining everything

[woeful cypress]

What's everything?

[jagged trench]

mainly it seems the inability for them to have their ripped video game hair look pretty

[sage otter]

That EAC update got rid of clients.

[honest oar]

Most likely

[fast sable]

Ong let’s go play The knockoff 🤣

[sage otter]

Real

Shutdown vrc 💀💀

[ember raptor]

frfr helious popping off fr fr on g

all 1 player

[fathom harbor]

Common sense is not giving into greed and oppression

[jagged trench]

as far as VRchat is concerned there's not much of a difference between modded sdks or modded clients

[fathom harbor]

But nah I guess vrc wants Rec rooms gonna win

[sage otter]

Ridiculous statement

[ember raptor]

ok genuine question, whats the greed? Like where does VRChat make money from creators?

[sage otter]

You did not say that with a straight face

[woeful cypress]

Apart from the one that is the problem of why they are not permitted.

[sage otter]

Modded SDks change a single few settings to make Avis look better and upload easier

[honest oar]

There is a massive difference one crashes the other don’t

[ember raptor]

the only thing I can think of is avatar favourites from VRC+, but thats not a creator thing thats a user thing

[fathom harbor]

Vrc plus, and nothing is done with all of that money other then these shitty updates they claim to “help” us

[woeful cypress]

Settings that are blocked by the official SDK for reasons.
Correct.

[sage otter]

Clients completely broke lobbies, had builtin crashing, would fuck around with UDON and all

[ember raptor]

how does not having modded sdk's increase number of vrc+ subscriptions

[sage otter]

So saying there isn’t much of a difference between clients and a modded sdk is ridiculous to claim

[honest oar]

Blocked for no reason when they run fine

[fathom harbor]

They don’t but it’s not causing a problem so why get rid of feathers from it?

[ember raptor]

so how is it greed causing these decisions then?

[jagged trench]

the listed frame rates y'all have given previously is still low enough to get the app kicked off the App Store

[fathom harbor]

Could be them wanting to go to pc because pc is just fine but it’s quest 2 and three

[sage otter]

Maybe just let the game get taken off oculus 🤷‍♂️

[honest oar]

Don’t the normal sdk still don’t stop that

[sage otter]

Not like the devs give much of a fuck about Oculus

[jagged trench]

that doesn't make VR chat more money

[woeful cypress]

You realise then you wouldn't play at all on quest anymore?

[tacit arch]

vrc gets money with vrc plus

[ember raptor]

ok but vrc doesn't make any more money off of a pc player instead of a quest. They dont get money from people buying pcs, and there is no special PC subscription either, so how is it greed?

[jagged trench]

I was more trying to say your anecdotes about it runs fine on your computer is not good enough

[sage otter]

Of Course

That wouldn’t bother me in the slightest

[woeful cypress]

So you'd have lost even more than just a shader you can't use?

[fathom harbor]

Perhaps it’s not but it’s still stupid to get rid of something that’s not a big problem

[sage otter]

I wouldn’t care much about losing a game that doesn’t care much for their quest community

[ember raptor]

The reason im asking all this is because you are (and I dont mean any offense by this) just kinda saying words and hating for hating sake yk?

[sage otter]

Has any actual quest player found any improvements since the sdk 2022 switch?

[ember raptor]

🪦

[woeful cypress]

I dunno, you're putting a lot of time and effort into this chat.
For a game you don't care about by your own words?

[fathom harbor]

Since when did I state that I don’t care about this game?

[sage otter]

I didn’t say I didn’t care about the game, I spent hours upon hours devving on avis on the game

[fathom harbor]

You may be a mod but that dosent give you the right to put Words in my mouth just because you want to win an augment

[ember raptor]

Generally speaking there should have been a roughly ~10-20% (approximate, these are informal benchmarks) improvement on average thanks to better skinning of meshes and whatnot

[woeful cypress]

Wrong reply, that's why i removed and reposted.

[sage otter]

I said I wouldn’t care much if it got taken off

[jagged trench]

the 2020 SDK hasn't come out yet

[fathom harbor]

About to say

[sage otter]

Not what I asked

[jagged trench]

your question included the word 2020 SDK which doesn't exist yet

[ember raptor]

I cant speak for others, but I absolutely have felt improvement thanks to 2022

[sage otter]

Vrc runs on sdk 2022 now right?

[ember raptor]

no

There is no 2022sdk

[woeful cypress]

(yet)

[ember raptor]

SDK stands for software development kit, which is what (we users) use to make avatars

[jagged trench]

the VRC SDK and the vrchat client are two different things

[sage otter]

Then why are you talking about you’ve felt improvements?

[ember raptor]

for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist, lets be fair.

[ember raptor]

Because the game itself is running on unity 2022

The SDK != game

[sage otter]

My mistake I didn’t mean to say SDK 🙏

[sage otter]

Change this to just since the 2022 switch

[woeful cypress]

Hmm?
No the editor will absolute move to 2022 sooner than later.

[sage otter]

In my personal experience all I’ve saw is just more bugs with no real answers to since this switch

Emissions breaking is an example

[ember raptor]

Fair, what I mean is that to the context of this conversation at this given moment it doesn't matter since it isn't out, if it were a open beta or something sure, but joe public doesn't have acess or know any deets

[honest oar]

There no improvement there only problems that’s been on the vrc

[jagged trench]

well the performance problems from blend shapes got resolved by the engine switch

and now random strangers can't crash people to the Homeworld from vram usage

[tacit arch]

like i have a avatar that uses piomi and this happened to it on quest

[woeful cypress]

That is if you ignore the genreal performance inprovements by unity.
The optinos to use newer SDKs and such features from things used in the VRChat codebase.
That 2022 has a MASSIVE improvement in perfromance with shapekeys comapred to 2019.
It's also not EOL anytime soo

[winged siren]

Yeah, they blocked Emissions on Quest

[sage otter]

Pretty useless

[winged siren]

And Transparent images

[woeful cypress]

Did Quest ever have that without a modded SDK?

[sage otter]

Never have I had emissions fuck with my experience

[ember raptor]

Not just blendshapes! General improvements to all skinning

[sage otter]

I’ve saw countless Avis with Emissions

[ember raptor]

Standard Lite allows emission on quest

and also doesn't break TOS

[woeful cypress]

Mhm, but the blendshape part is definitely making the biggest chunk i think.

[jagged trench]

and is about to get nicer next feature update

[woeful cypress]

Is that one broken?

[sage otter]

I’m hungry

[tacit arch]

ok but how does that explan why my parts are showing when the are hidden

[winged siren]

And I looked into their devlog, they did it for 5 FPS

[ember raptor]

To be frank, I don't know. I do know that some fallback shaders have been having issues on open beta, but if thats related or not I dunno

[jagged trench]

then go eat instead of making agitated noises in here the dev team can't hear us anyway

[woeful cypress]

Open beta is a very different story.
It's expected to have issues now and then

[sage otter]

I’m juss havin a lil fun by chattin here

[winged siren]

Yes but now it won't work at all, even with a modded SDK

[jagged trench]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1381-quest-emission-and-some-material-animations-are-broken

[woeful cypress]

OpenBeta is not Live tho.
Stuff happens there, it's a open beta for a reason.

[jagged trench]

unfortunately I haven't seen any screenshots of problems with people's avatars today that aren't modded sdks which annoys the heck out of me and is this 5-second timer new

[woeful cypress]

I'm making one right now 🙃

[tacit arch]

i litteraly showed one of my avis that uses the vrc sdk and piomi and my avar=tar was still effected

[jagged trench]

that toon Shader is not available on the quest

[woeful cypress]

Emissions work just fine with standard lite

lemme sync the screenshot form my quest

[tacit arch]

its not toon shaders though

[woeful cypress]

I normally use toon, but that didn't have emissions to begin with.

but standard lite definitely works just fine

[jagged trench]

do you have custom vertex normals

[sage otter]

Do remember not everyone makes the same type of avis 🙏

[tacit arch]

its just standered cutout

[sage otter]

So for how easy it is for you to do whatever you do, won’t be the exact same for everyone else who complains

[woeful cypress]

Changes absolutely zero about that the emissions work on standard lite 🙃

[sage otter]

Statin it for in general, I don’t care bout ur emissions 🙏

[jagged trench]

that's not a VR chat mobile Shader

[woeful cypress]

That was the question that this was answereing, nothing else.

[tacit arch]

im on quest 2

[sage otter]

I didn’t reply to you though?

So it wasn’t directed towards your post

[woeful cypress]

Pardon then, i thought you did mean me

[jagged trench]

did you upload the Avatar yourself that's misbehaving or somebody else

[sage otter]

I could’ve been more clear on it to be fair.

[woeful cypress]

No worry

[tacit arch]

using thr vrc sdk yes

[sage otter]

But Yh

Big variation of avatar devs that do a ton of different Avis from abunch of diff communities inside of vrchat

[jagged trench]

then the standard Shader in cut out mode is not a available Shader for you

[sage otter]

Feel like some people forget not everyone makes the same thing

[jagged trench]

so far all I've seen from the folks complaining have been video game rips

[sage otter]

ok

[honest oar]

They play your game they should have a say

[jagged trench]

vrc is a business not a direct democracy

and honestly a lot more people than y'all got annoyed with like easy anti-cheat and that's still around

[winged siren]

If we unsub from VRC+ Like I plan too if this sticks, then there goes the business part of it

I won't support a game that runs like this

[jagged trench]

that's sure going to stick it to them all 10 of y'all unsubscribing

[sage otter]

I already unsubscribed

Completely unrelated to the update tho

[winged siren]

Even if it does stick anyway I refuse to support the game devs that go all dictatorial

[sage otter]

I just don’t play enough to spend money on the game monthly

[jagged trench]

easy anti-cheat had a lot more backlash than this has been getting and nothing came of it

[sage otter]

People just found away around eac 💀

[winged siren]

actually things did come of it, they started adding stuff that were PART OF THE 'CHEATS'

[winged siren]

also this

[jagged trench]

but easy anti-cheat is still around

so y'all have no hope of changing the Shader situation

[sage otter]

eh boo womp

[fast coral]

is thier any vc here

[sage otter]

@jagged trench You seem to know a lot

What’s the actual difference between just unity standard and standard lite

[jagged trench]

no

[fast coral]

ah

[jagged trench]

referring to the live version or the open beta version as currently the open Beta is upgrading it to be closer to unity standard

[sage otter]

Live

Since it’s standard lite from now, what’s the actual difference?

[jagged trench]

no transparency on standard light uses only one Shader variation so it's less vram currently lacking detail Maps ambient occlusion currently does not use reflection probes

but as I mentioned the next feature update in probably a week or two will upgrade the standard lite to basically the same thing as the standard Shader except for transparency

[sage otter]

no occulusions no like 😞

[jagged trench]

in a couple of weeks the standard light Shader will be upgraded retroactively

"Updated Standard Lite, which now retroactively supports reflection probes, ambient occlusion, and detail maps. Any Quest avatar using Standard Lite that relied on metallics should now look more like what you would expect."

[honest oar]

Uh huh

[jagged trench]

you can read about it in the open Beta announcements

[sage otter]

when that drops

I’ll look at it and be unbiased bout it.

If it sucks ima say it sucks 🙏

If it’s good and works fine then hooray.

[jagged trench]

quick mock-up of what it would look like

[dark pollen]

Anybody else having this happen?

I hopped onto quest stand alone, and found I couldn't open my avi's hands all the way, or put my thumbs up. This happened with several avatars. To cover my bases, I restarted headset and opened VRC again. Still had the issue. To make sure it wasn't my controllers, I tried it with PCVR, and it was working just fine. Seems to just effect the quest version.

[old fjord]

guys if i delete my meta account it unmerged form my vrchat account?

[crude osprey]

We don’t get occlusion anymore? 💀

Vrc taking constant L’s omg

[toxic tangle]

Anyone wanna chill on the game soon?

[sage otter]

we don’t get nice things here

[cosmic jewel]

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1175296775029006406

anyone here got a solution?

[jagged trench]

occlusion is being added to the standard light Shader currently in open beta

[cosmic jewel]

i see a few people have this error but literally have seen no fixes

[crude osprey]

Im ngl ive never even heard a question user complain about optimization and that says a lot coming from the halo and Star Wars community

[jagged trench]

that's because there's nothing too fixed because if you were using a quest Avatar that has transparency it was made using a modded SDK which is against terms of service

[cosmic jewel]

uhh

idk what i was using?

[jagged trench]

I take it you're more just using public avatars?

[cosmic jewel]

yeah

like one was a default avatar

and another was from an avatar world

never made my own

[crude osprey]

Bro got banned for using a public avatar 😔

[jagged trench]

that one needs to get investigated

[cosmic jewel]

ain't no way dawg

[jagged trench]

like the default avatars is not going to be using a modded SDK

[cosmic jewel]

this is the exact error I'm getting

it's super weird

[jagged trench]

that is very strange

[crude osprey]

I’d say just play something else for now until the devs get there lives together

They don’t really care about questies as much as they make it seem so just try waiting till tomorrow or so and see if it fixes itself

[jagged trench]

it is the weekend so the VRchat can't Implement any patches until Monday

[cosmic jewel]

ok so like

does this mean I'm banned

💀

[jagged trench]

that's not a ban message

[cosmic jewel]

I've searched the server and like 2 people ever have had this

[jagged trench]

that sounds more like the internet connection had a problem?

[cosmic jewel]

it could be but like nothing else is having issues

unless my school just like

blocked vr chat suddenly

[jagged trench]

that is a distinct possibility does the problem appear when you try to log in at home?

[cosmic jewel]

i live in dorms

💀

i don't think that would be the case tho, literally nothing but piracy sites are blocked

[jagged trench]

then I would suggest you try again tomorrow

[cosmic jewel]

ig

thanks for da help

[crude osprey]

Yeah buddy you’re banned 🥱

[jagged trench]

it would say ban if that was the case

and you literally just joined the server today don't scare them

[cosmic jewel]

i can't tell sarcasm 💀

[rigid lion]

Would be pretty swag if vrc focused more on administration of people using their application for things like pedophilia and stuff instead of making the game look like dog for their main players.

mhmhmhm

[crude osprey]

You’re 1000% banned buddy (I’m just kidding since apparently I have to clarify that)

[crude osprey]

That would make too much sense

Silly prelaw vrc wouldn’t do anything that makes that much sense

[rigid lion]

Quest does make up the majority of the playerbase right?

[jagged trench]

that's entirely chat moderation Banning folks today not vrchat developers themselves

[cosmic jewel]

sorry I'm autistic 🫶

[crude osprey]

It’s ok half of the player base is

We love the acoustic community 🙏

[jagged trench]

none of the folks that handle in-game moderation are in this server

[rigid lion]

I mean focus less on silly modders and more on actual threats. Like sexual predators. Because a ton of the rp communities can give lists of these users that are still using the game.

[crude osprey]

This is true

[jagged trench]

my point being there's nobody who can actually ban anyone on VRchat on this server

[crude osprey]

I think his point is the devs and mod team for the game should focus more on that not giving quest users five more frames per second when we didn’t ask for that

[jagged trench]

they're not doing anything about modded SDK users that's entirely the Discord mods

and from what it sounds like it's more they accidentally broke mod SDK people avatars accidentally

[crude osprey]

Wait huh?

[jagged trench]

I have an acquaintance of mine that works at vrchat they were surprised when I mentioned the modded SDK avatars broke

[rigid lion]

Modding is bad, but if it's for the sake of an avi not looking like this. Is it really bad?

[jagged trench]

so basically y'all are just collateral damage for some other unrelated change

[cosmic jewel]

if it's for performance i feel like it should be optional lol

[crude osprey]

It looks like it was made with crayons 💀

[crude osprey]

^^

[rigid lion]

Exactly.

[rigid lion]

100%!

Like make it an option. Not a requirment.

Limiting small devs is gonna hurt the VRC playerbase an community.

[jagged trench]

using shaders that aren't the vrchat mobile Shader is not an intended feature

[crude osprey]

Idk why but you remind me of one of those people back in 360 who said they’re parents work for Microsoft

[jagged trench]

just swap your avatars to use the standard light Shader

[jagged trench]

the developers do hang out on vrchat

a stormtrooper does not require transparency rendering

[rigid lion]

Who would want to use a shader that looks like this?

[crude osprey]

Oh trust me I’m very aware, they’re some interesting characters that’s for sure

[rigid lion]

People can't make realistic looking avis for quest now cause they just look drawn.

[cosmic jewel]

i don't even have issues with frame drops unless it's a really intense world

with lots of objects and such

[crude osprey]

This

[cosmic jewel]

so it's really not much of an issue

[jagged trench]

that's not what the standard light Shader looks like normally

my point is just re-upload the Avatar to not be using illegal shaders

and they're upgrading the standard light Shader to pretty much be a render match to the standard Shader

[crude osprey]

Let’s say hypothetically I was a creator that uses a modded shader and I’ve been doing it for the past year (which I haven’t calm down mods) but yk how many avatars that would be to re-upload? Not to mention the commissions done for other people

[rigid lion]

What makes it illegal though? It's able to be ported to unity, and was able to be uploaded till now. Why is it suddenly an issue is what I'm saying, especially since a newer, more powerful Quest is out. Let devs use their sharers. Also if the standard shader was good, modded versions wouldn't exist.

[jagged trench]

that's a terrible idea to be using modded shaders in a commission

[rigid lion]

Exactly.

[crude osprey]

That wasn’t my question

[jagged trench]

basically the means of acquiring the shaders is the illegal part

[rigid lion]

He never said anything about commisions.

[crude osprey]

I did technically but that wasn’t the main point

[rigid lion]

mememeh

[jagged trench]

suck it up and re-upload the avatars so you don't lose your VR chat account and lose them all

[rigid lion]

My point is that it's an update that could've been used for something better. Like stopping hacker players, not modding devs.

[jovial hill]

Can the devs just remove the update we just had and go back to the last one. Because so much avatars have been completed destroyed because of this update.

[rigid lion]

Modding devs is barely an issue. It may be illegitimate, but again it should be far from the top of the update list.

[jagged trench]

from what I can tell they didn't even Target y'all

they were just making changes to the standard light Shader and how the fallback system works for shaders

[crude osprey]

At the end of the day Tupper or any of the mods aren’t really gonna care about what we say because they simply do not care about there community like they say they do 🤷🏾‍♂️

[rigid lion]

I don't make avatars, and even then it's still an unnecessary update.

[crude osprey]

Like why do we not have a transparency shader for quest in the default sdk already? Maybe instead of limiting what we can do they should focus on making the base sdk better and give us the options we want?

[rigid lion]

Real.

[jovial hill]

Ngl who actually wanted this update the game was getting good but they just try and fix stuff that doesn’t need fixing.

[cosmic jewel]

um guys

[rigid lion]

Ong why can't I make windows for quest.

[cosmic jewel]

is that Freddy Fazbear

hor hor hor hor hor

[jagged trench]

basically because the manufacturers of the headset have said transparency rendering is hard on the hardware

[cosmic jewel]

ar ar ar ar ar

[crude osprey]

Womp womp who cares? If a player wants to have those shaders on so be it, it’s there property

[rigid lion]

That's probably fixed in the brand new Quest 3.

[jovial hill]

Fr

[crude osprey]

Like someone said earlier if it’s for optimization issues maybe yk make it a setting?

[rigid lion]

Make it optional and focus on something actually hurting the game.

[jagged trench]

nope still an issue

[crude osprey]

^^

[cosmic jewel]

idk about everyone else but quest 3 has been a buggy mess so far

i always have some new issue with it

[crude osprey]

Dang speaking of the quest 3 what about quest one players? I feel like no one has touched on the fact that they physically won’t be able to play anymore

[jovial hill]

The aftermath of this update 😭

[jagged trench]

the transparency rendering being expensive is inherent to how mobile processors render content

[rigid lion]

That doesn't change the fact its a dumb idea to make it a requirement. Let people strain their hardware if they want, you didn't buy it. Make it an option to turn it off.

[rigid lion]

That's what I'm saying. Realistic avatars look like garbage now.

Even in legitimate shaders.

[crude osprey]

All of them 😭

Omg prelaw

The musketeers avatars

I’ve gotta go see them

All of there stuff was amazing I imagine they look like actual garbage now

[jovial hill]

I have this Gotham Knight nightwing avatar and the hair went from looking really good to looking like it’s made out of clay

[rigid lion]

If you want to have devs swap to legitimate shaders, make stuff not look like garbage if it isn't a toon avatar. Give devs all the opportunities they had and give quests the option to turn it off.

[jovial hill]

It’s bad because the whole Twd community on this game will be whipped out because the avatars have been destroyed 😭

[rigid lion]

Clearly they can do that if they can make it a requirement.

[jagged trench]

I would point out that very poor avatars could be removed from the game at any time

[crude osprey]

Tupper won’t care trust me, unless another game pops up that dose social stuff better then vrc I don’t think he’ll actually listen to the community

At least not the quest community

[cosmic jewel]

what does very poor mean

[rigid lion]

ON FAZZ!

[cosmic jewel]

runs bad?

[crude osprey]

What does this mean?

[jovial hill]

Yeah what’s classed as poor to you people

[jagged trench]

yes badly optimized avatars

[crude osprey]

Literally 85% of the avatars in the game

[jagged trench]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system#quest-limits

[cosmic jewel]

that somewhat makes sense

[rigid lion]

Could just turn them off.

That's an option.

[cosmic jewel]

everything should be optional

[crude osprey]

Personally I’ve never had any issues with avatars that are in the very poor category 🤷🏾‍♂️

[rigid lion]

That's what I'm sayin.

[crude osprey]

That’s not how that works 😭

[jagged trench]

have you ever been kicked back to your Homeworld randomly while playing on Quest

[crude osprey]

Not a single time no

[rigid lion]

I'm pure quest and don't have any issue if I turn them off.

[cosmic jewel]

like transparency if you wanna lock it behind a million warnings sure

[rigid lion]

It's not that deep pal.

[cosmic jewel]

just let ppl turn it on if they want

[crude osprey]

Same can be said for you? I’ve never heard of anyone having this issue and like I said that is a lot coming from someone in the Star Wars community, our avatars are extremely unoptimized

[jagged trench]

the problem is other people wouldn't be able to really consent to the rendering hit of the transparent avatars due to the way shaders are currently handled by default

[cosmic jewel]

ah okay so no way to do it just client side

[crude osprey]

I mean I make anime avatars and I’ve heard some people in that community be frustrated tht there Avis don’t work 🤷🏾‍♂️

[cosmic jewel]

it's either everyone has transparency or no one?

[jagged trench]

so far most of the folks complaining are mostly uploading video game rips

[lone loom]

XD the amount of people I know that USE modded SDK and I tell them not too.

[rigid lion]

Try making a good looking Storm trooper with dirt and grim in standard Unity that looks good in almost any world, then I will respect that.

[crude osprey]

Like I said earlier it broke Avis that didn’t even use the modded sdk

[jagged trench]

that would technically be two separate issues that would need to be resolved separately

[lone loom]

I have models like that lol.

[cosmic jewel]

so question, what exactly is transparency? transparency in textures?

[jagged trench]

the standard light Shader improvements can handle that just fine

[jagged trench]

yes basically the cell phone processor that lives inside the quest headset has a hard time with transparent pixels

[rigid lion]

Make a realistic looking avatar that is under poor, and will look good in almost any world.

[cosmic jewel]

like I'm sure you could just texture on the dirt right

[crude osprey]

Doubtful vrc has a tendency to hype up updates and they turn out kinda meh

[raw dust]

Does standard lite still look like rustic metal?

[rigid lion]

Yes but it won't look realistic without normal mapping or occlusions.

[jagged trench]

it's literally an open Beta you can test it

[rigid lion]

Quest has had it in the past. Even Quest 1 had that, why now? hmm?

[lone loom]

Quest had even standard shading and Unlit and took that away lol.

[rigid lion]

Then make it optional.

[cosmic jewel]

it would be a pain but you could model the dirt

[rigid lion]

That would put in on poor and probably crash quests with polycount.

[cosmic jewel]

well like i agree it would suck to do but it could be done

[rigid lion]

You're here talking all this "you can't do low poly dirt?" "You can't make it look good?"

[jagged trench]

The standard light shader can handle metallic roughness just fine

[rigid lion]

You do it.

[raw dust]

Have they even improved standard lite or does it still look the same as it did like 2 years ago?

[crude osprey]

Like you said earlier I genuinely think everything should be optional tht way the people that have older quest 2’s get there optimization like they want and people like use can still have decent realistic quest avatars 🤷🏾‍♂️

[jagged trench]

Currently an open beta the improvements

[jovial hill]

Is there a way I can get rid of this update off of my quest 😭

[rigid lion]

Model dirt and rig it to the model, and upload it. See how much better it is than the modded shaders. It's not about effort, it's about the hardware handling that poly count.

[jagged trench]

No

[crude osprey]

I think it should be the persons choice if they want to fry there hardware or not and if they do want to so be it Tupper and the mod squad can say they where right

[lone loom]

Nope, they will keep shoving updates that don't work right tell they either take up all the space on quest or break the quest 2 from even working on vrc

[raw dust]

My problem with it is the reflection/smoothness didnt look good so I stopped using it 2 years ago

[crude osprey]

Imagine if chill out vr came to quest lol

[cosmic jewel]

it shouldn't be that many more polys

[jagged trench]

They're fixing that they're adding reflection probes support

And the metallic smoothness can handle dirt just fine

[cosmic jewel]

like can you show an example of what you're wanting to do

[rigid lion]

For it too look good it could up it a good bit, or verticy count.

[jagged trench]

Have any of y'all re-uploaded your avatars not using a modded shader

[cosmic jewel]

you can do a lot with low poly

[crude osprey]

Ehhhh not really but ok

[cosmic jewel]

i mean yeah the quest is an Android phone at its core

[rigid lion]

Yeah, but that's a lot of particles of dirt. And overall the modded shaders would be a more optimized option at that point.

[jagged trench]

Yup

[crude osprey]

Just because someone dosent optimize an avatar for it to be in the “good quality” section dosent mean the avatar looks bad

[cosmic jewel]

stylized stuff looks better anyway imo

[rigid lion]

Are you pure Quest or pc?

[crude osprey]

To each there own, which is kinda my point I feel like they can’t just cater to the stylized and anime community yk? There’s some people that like both and want good avatar for both

[jagged trench]

It's a mobile processor realistic avatars are never going to look nice on it

[rigid lion]

Do you make avatars?

What kind?

[crude osprey]

I mean I’ve seen a couple of mobile games that somewhat do realistic stuff nicely it’s definitely possible, is vrchat gonna go through the effort to do that? No

Then why comment on what we’re struggling with if you won’t even go through the effort to do it yourself?

[cosmic jewel]

it's just kinda an unfortunate reality that quest can't handle it potentially
from what I'm hearing these avatars can affect other people's performance which wouldn't be fair either imo

[rigid lion]

Then you have no room to talk about what we should and shouldn't be able to have. You make cell shaded avatars and are saying people who take time to make a realistic looking avatar lazy.

[crude osprey]

I truthfully think that there is some middle ground that could be reached by again vrchat dosent care enough to do so 🤷🏾‍♂️

What? 😭

[rigid lion]

You're here calling people drawing on dirt, logos, and other decals and making a real looking avatar lazy, when you just gave up cause it wasn't worth the effort. That's so hypocritical.

[cosmic jewel]

im sure realism can still be done it's just gonna be something you need to work around the hardware for

[rigid lion]

The thing is that shouldn't have to be done. Since we didn't have to and get a good result until now.

[crude osprey]

Honest to god I’m not gonna go through all of the effort for that I’m just gonna keep making world and unless vrc somehow messes that up then I’ll still be here

[cosmic jewel]

it'll just require more optimization

[rigid lion]

You're still being a hypocrite calling them lazy.

[crude osprey]

You very clearly don’t understand then? It’s stupidly hard to optimize a realistic avatar into the good category and still make it look good

[crude osprey]

Also this

[rigid lion]

We can't!

[cosmic jewel]

like the quest isn't gonna be running garten of banban ass models

[rigid lion]

The update took that ability away, we can;t work around it anymore.

Blender materials can't be ported to Unity without third party assistance.

[cosmic jewel]

banban model for reference

[crude osprey]

The thing is we still want them to look good, I can throw a model into blender and make it as low poly as I want but it won’t look like a realistic model it’ll look like it’s out of a n64 game lol

[rigid lion]

Decimate modifier. Unsibdivide option.

Yeah but you are supporting VRC deleting a ton of people's work, which is really disrespectful to them.

And then calling them lazy.

[crude osprey]

Again if I make it to the point where it looks like it’s out of a N64 game no amount of texturing is gonna fix that 💀

[cosmic jewel]

you can get surprisingly good results with textures

[rigid lion]

That shouldn't stop people from being able to make good looking content for Quest.

[crude osprey]

For it to get in the good category a lot of the time it dose for the realistic side of the community

[haughty coyote]

you forget there is a severe hardware limitation that needs to be met for Quest. Thats just how it is, for any standalone system.

[rigid lion]

So everyone with very poor that looses all their work isn't creative?

[rigid lion]

The thing is that it did just fine before now.

[crude osprey]

^

[rigid lion]

I'm gonna be honest. You are either mentally ill or just a dick.

[crude osprey]

Obviously if we’re in the quest chat we don’t have the option of just making it a pc only avatar

[haughty coyote]

It really didnt, the instability of VRC has always been attributed to poorly optimized worlds and avatars.

[rigid lion]

So Quest should be limited to anime avatars now, or garbage looking ones?

The main player base.

[heavy perch]

Agreed, these were all bypasses already not allowed.

[crude osprey]

Ewww

[cosmic jewel]

this is a ps2 game, you can get amazing results even with limitations

[crude osprey]

Amazing is definitely a stretch

[rigid lion]

You say that but I don't see you doing that.

[haughty coyote]

Exactly, and there was a reason they were not allowed. the chipset for the quest is basically a glorified cellphone. no where near as capable as PC processessing

[cosmic jewel]

i think it looks quite good considering the hardware limitation

[crude osprey]

This is true but amazing is 1000% a stretch

[heavy perch]

Most definitely, literally an android running on cocaine.

[rigid lion]

How so. Give me a step by step guide.

[haughty coyote]

you are gonna be hard pressed to convince anyone resistant to change.

[haughty coyote]

literally countless youtube videos. dont put the onus on someone else to do your research

[cosmic jewel]

i don't think any video game can look like real life

[haughty coyote]

You are gonna eat well tonight lol

[crude osprey]

It’s not that I’m resistant to change just frustrated that the side of the community I’m in now is basically just out of luck and vrchat isn’t gonna do anything to fix it because they simply don’t care 🤷🏾‍♂️

[rigid lion]

Exactly.

[heavy perch]

Optimization isn't difficult at all, people truly are just lazy.

They'd rather hurt other's than do the smallest extra steps.

[crude osprey]

You are one to talk omg 😭

[rigid lion]

You used bloodborne for more than half your stuff dude.

[heavy perch]

Continue crying, it's why you're blocked.

[heavy perch]

Stopped a long long time ago.

[crude osprey]

I’m blocked because I’m dating your ex 🥱

[heavy perch]

🥱

[rigid lion]

A few months isn't long.

[haughty coyote]

As with all technology, opolesence is a thing, you just have to learn to adapt, everyone will have to. the biggest thing is that the ones who are most affected were the ones who were using unsupported and unsactioned SDKs to begin with. they were allowed to run rampant on Quest because they couldnt be culled like EAC did to the PC versions. it was only a matter of time.

[crude osprey]

If I remember correctly it was like two at max

[heavy perch]

It's a cheat for early people.
When you learn, there's no need for it.
Just take the extra step to learn.

[cosmic jewel]

I'm not gonna pretend like i could do any of this bc i don't model but i do know a bit about it and it's just gonna be something you gotta work around

[rigid lion]

You were a dev for like a year and still used it.

[heavy perch]

A Dev who didn't know jack.

[crude osprey]

I most def will get over this learning curve but it’s just frustrating yk? Especially with a bunch of people it dosent effect weighing in

[heavy perch]

Learned as I went.

[empty bolt]

why did vrchat mess with quest transparency shaders mane...

[haughty coyote]

[cosmic jewel]

i agree it would be frustrating

[rigid lion]

Optimization that really wasn't as needed as they say.

[empty bolt]

literally... all my quest avatars r f'd now

[heavy perch]

That is a down side, but I did notice many friends talking about how transparency was one of the most unoptimized things to have.

[empty bolt]

i dont see why? no one had problems with it.

[crude osprey]

I already know the basics of it it’s just bleh

[empty bolt]

i dont remember reading it was agaisnt the rules?

[rigid lion]

Yup and Questies keep saying how it wasn't an issue. Only PC users and devs are saying it was.

[haughty coyote]

it states it in the ToS not to use modified or third party SDKs, which is where these things came from.

[empty bolt]

because it wasnt an issue

[jovial hill]

Same

[rigid lion]

mhm. You probably won't find one pure quest user that likes this update.

[haughty coyote]

here to help

[empty bolt]

because its what most avatars use? you cant really make a decent avatar with the normal vrchat mobile shaders

[haughty coyote]

As all of the avis i use are optimized or used with the offical SDK, or uploaded myself, i have zero issues with this update.

[crude osprey]

I think eventually straight quest users will get over it it’s just gonna take a whileeee

[heavy perch]

Reasonable, but it'll also bring a positive side to VRChat over time, as a whole.

[rigid lion]

Do you play pure quest? And only on pure Quest?

[haughty coyote]

ITs Quests EAC.

[empty bolt]

i use the vrc sdk. i didnt know using 3rd party sdks where actually a problem until now lol

[haughty coyote]

ofc

[heavy perch]

Especially to Dev's who do want to make proper assets that follow regulations.

[rigid lion]

Alright. Opinion rwspected.

[crude osprey]

Problem is people found not so TOS ways to get around eac lol

[heavy perch]

I wouldn't say small, but I do get your point.

[haughty coyote]

They are the ones bitching the loudest about the update too.

[crude osprey]

Small is most definitely putting it lightly lol

[rigid lion]

One thing is that even people using the legitimate method have their avatars looking bad now.

[empty bolt]

its not just trancpanercy most of my body shaders on quest too are now odd

[crude osprey]

Yeah that too

[empty bolt]

like me saying overall the shaders seem off in general

[cosmic jewel]

sorry to hijack the convo but now that there's more people here; https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1175296775029006406

anyone have this issue?

[haughty coyote]

That is attributed to Shaders which were supposed to be unsupported on quest. the number of official mobile shaders is low

[rigid lion]

Jem uses standard are his avis f'd up? I haven't heard anything from him today.

[crude osprey]

But again what can we really do it’s not like expressing ourselves is gonna do anything I mean we all saw the eac other backlash and nothing changed so there’s not really much of a point in complaining now

[crude osprey]

I don’t have any of his Avis on me currently

[rigid lion]

Can always just draw on every detail and try and combine the official stuff. Hope for the best.

Try mimicking occlusions in texture paint.

[empty bolt]

bought avatrs, not just one its many. ill get pictures here soon but they r off colored like... the skintones are greyish with a tint of a neautral color

[crude osprey]

I’m sure I could

[empty bolt]

mhm!

[rigid lion]

That was a me talking to myself not a statment to you @formal edge

[crude osprey]

There’s actually a thing in substance that allows you to blend them into the texture but it doesn’t look all that great

[rigid lion]

Do you think Krita will get popular for quest avis now. Since Substance will add stuff that can't be used or will look out of place?

[crude osprey]

That’s what we where trying to get across earlier as well tht it broke Avis that where uploaded normally

[empty bolt]

lord. i wish they didnt mess with shaders because all my avatars will have to be redone and i dont have time for that lol

[rigid lion]

I was just clarifying it so it wasn't taken as aggression.

[crude osprey]

That’s a good question honestly I’m sure we’ll see

[empty bolt]

krita?

[rigid lion]

Cause $150 for avi making for it to not be Quest compatible will just be a waste now. Unless you got another use for it.

[crude osprey]

2D texturing software

[empty bolt]

ohh i see

[rigid lion]

A digital art software, It can be used for texturing dirt and such.

[crude osprey]

I wanna get into making an actual game sometime soon

[empty bolt]

yea i spent 120 on a custom avy and now it looks weird LOL but aw well

[crude osprey]

I hated it after a while so I switched over to substance

[rigid lion]

I tried Unreal today. It's overwhelming af. The tutorials are hours long per episode.

Gonna need a full weekend to learn the basics.

Can't use Unity cause of that stupid publishing fee.

[cosmic jewel]

id love to commission a model but tis very expensive

[crude osprey]

Yk we could always get like Roblox game making? I’ve heat for certain things it’s relatively simple plus we can use substance for that

[rigid lion]

Never.

[crude osprey]

I might try it

[rigid lion]

Go for it.

[crude osprey]

Maybe I’ll make a bandit beater as popular as blox fruits lol

[cosmic jewel]

yeah definitely a lot of work goes into it

ive tried my hand at it and I'm not all that great

bobux

[lone loom]

You and me both

[crude osprey]

Ill keep in mind the day that I stayed up till 1:08 in the morning talking to a bunch of vrchat players if I do get big 🙏

[empty bolt]

actually i got the pc version opt to the point it wasnt glitchy and i believe quest was only 5 mb, i didnt really ask for much haha

[crude osprey]

You’re both ok lol

I’ll put you in as a secret NPC 🙏

[lone loom]

I try to be, though I do get angy when passionate about something

[empty bolt]

debating if i wanna even finish the avatar im currently doing

[cosmic jewel]

is bandit beater the name of that genre of game? 💀

[crude osprey]

That’s understandable I feel like a lot of us are really passionate and just wanna be listened to yk?

[lone loom]

I will make you an NPC bro.

That is completely understanding.

[crude osprey]

Yeah it refers to games where you just beat up bad guys to lvl up similar to blox fruits or other games I can’t think of

[cosmic jewel]

ive wasted many an hour on those back in the day

[crude osprey]

I love bandit beaters they feel so rewarding once you’ve gotten the stuff you want

Give me all your robux 🙏

[empty bolt]

😭

[lean saffron]

Yo

[golden grotto]

I’ve been having issues with my hand gestures with my quest 3, they move all of the times when I am not even touching the buttons on my crontrollers, is there any way of fixing that?

[fringe raptor]

is rescaling broken on some worlds rn? my avi is completely messed up in the mcdonalds..

its really messed up suddenly

[sage otter]

Shoooooooooshhhhhh

[upper drum]

I dunno why it’s saying that VRChat is unavailable

[marble marsh]

Are you using a Quest 1?

[upper drum]

I’ve got a Quest 2, but, I haven’t linked it to my phone yet

[slim temple]

So let me get this straight. They downgraded vrc because of meta.

[crude osprey]

Technically yeah

[slim temple]

Fuck that lizard man Mark Zuckerberg.

[lone loom]

SO did I just read that correct that, the update forked up modded SDK users? lol

[jagged trench]

Yes and apparently that was accidental

[lone loom]

XD LOL It was accidental?!

[jagged trench]

Yeah they were making some changes to something else and it just happened to affect the mod SDK users

[lone loom]

Sorry but thats funny as hell

I though they purposly did it since they said they wanted to stop the modded sdk

[steep crescent]

This is true. Especially on mobile. Even more so if you stack transparency. Aka a transparent object in front of an transparent object. One reason i have to cut 98% of features of the pc version from quest.

[shrewd grove]

Anyone know how to fix this? It won’t stay in (just broke off and it won’t stay back in when I put the headset back on)

[olive oxide]

Anyone else having problems with quest 3 controllers on the steam OVR advanced settings? i cant get mine to work for some reason & i cant really choose wich emotes i want to use ingame in vrchat. is my controllers bugged?

[heavy perch]

Thank you, a lot of people like denying so much of these claims just with a "nuh uh".

[haughty coyote]

OVR Advanced Settings is kinda outside the scope of this channel, so you might not find much help here. If you have issues with Quest standalone, maybe you can be helped, otherwise try #1138891887374237706

[olive oxide]

Okie i will

[haughty coyote]

[gray kiln]

💀

[willow oxide]

Are they going to fix the ugly avatar problem for quest?

[jagged trench]

If you're referring to avatars that use transparencies unlikely to be fixed as those were using modified sdks

[fast sable]

Thank god

[empty bolt]

Probably not because their trying to update everything quest related 🤦‍♀️ we cant get a break

[willow oxide]

No not just that like some avis looked nice for quest and now they all look black black like void black

[primal jay]

Some buggy changes from the open beta apparently slipped through, so yeah, they are going to fix it, just won't be until next week.

[willow oxide]

Oof

[primal jay]

Irony and bright side is that the changes would have made (at least) standard lit look better, so when it is fixed Quest avatars will look a bit better.

The changes have to do with reflections being properly supported, metallics looking a lot better and Standard lit will also support more features.

[lone loom]

Now Standard Lit just needs matcaps and we are all good

[tacit arch]

glue

[shrewd grove]

Any specific kind?

[haughty coyote]

[tacit arch]

i would say clear gorilla glue

its been holding my stuff together for a year now

[shrewd grove]

Alr, I’ll try to find that. Thanks!

[crude osprey]

You can buy a new headset strap on Amazon for 17 bucks

[shrewd grove]

Oh it’s 17? That’s not too bad, I’ll try to find that as well. Thanks!

[crude osprey]

I can send you the link if you’d like?

[shrewd grove]

Sure, that’ll help me a lot actually

Thx :)

[crude osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/Original-Strap-Oculus-Replacement-Accessories/dp/B0CJR3RG35/ref=mp_s_a_1_6_sspa?crid=YZO6CYLEG9BL&keywords=oculus+quest+2+head+strap&qid=1700345627&sprefix=ovulus+%2Caps%2C130&sr=8-6-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfbXRm&psc=1

There you go

I didn’t get the option to change my strap color 🥲

[shrewd grove]

Alr, thx! Also I didn’t even know changing the color was an option lol

[signal sentinel]

does anyone have the quest 3? and if so is it alot better to play on this game?

[sage otter]

Doubt so yet

I don’t think the games been updated for Quest 3

[haughty coyote]

Performance wise, they are about the same. the biggest improvements that you see with the Q3 is better graphics resolution as well as better clarity with the new lenses. on standalone, you will see slightly better performance, but no noticeable difference if you connect with pcvr.

[rancid moon]

is there a way to change my name at the end

??

[jagged trench]

are you signing into vrchat using a Oculus account or a VRchat account

[haughty coyote]

log in to the VRC website and do it from your profile, you may still need to merge your oculus account with your vrc account, you will know this if you see the "upgrade" option in your ingame menu. it will generate a token that you input into the website.

[rancid moon]

ok

but im having trouble with it

[haughty coyote]

in what way?

[rancid moon]

i read everything closely

ima try again rn

[haughty coyote]

goodluck.

[rancid moon]

it worked

thanks for helping me

[haughty coyote]

[haughty coyote]

does anyone else have a problem where the game freezes for a second then unfreezes repeatedly every second?

[haughty coyote]

you can try a fresh install. this seems to happen when your quest cache and or your vrc cache is getting a little full. you can clear both for starters, but personally i find a fresh install to be faster and all encompassing.

do all my favorite avatars stay on my account?

[haughty coyote]

Yes. its tied to your account, not the install of the game or the headset so even if you were to factory reset your headset, which would be the next thing i would reccomend, you wouldnt lose anything.

[hollow vessel]

Fix ur fuckin game

[jagged trench]

could you describe a bit more what's misbehaving

[hidden holly]

Bro this new graffics on VR chat beta is better then actual VR chat (jk)

[steep crescent]

Tf

[haughty coyote]

[terse falcon]

never expect one of sans’es avatars to end up here

[iron badger]

@haughty coyote So by next week my avis will have all their metalics and glowing bits back?

[haughty coyote]

Assuming it's patched quickly enough? Possibly.

[iron badger]

Fingers crossed or I might just give up Avi making/editing

[haughty coyote]

You shouldn't do that. Whatever the case adapt and overcome. Try to make your avis as optimized as possible

[tranquil sail]

Do u guys know the discord for this?

[fathom harbor]

Still getting sent home so this update didint fix nothing but make this happen less often

[gray kiln]

Well use more optimized Avis and worlds then

[haughty coyote]

It's literally in the description

[sleek bay]

im bored anyone wanna hang out in vrc?

[iron badger]

I'm an avid creator that tries to make equal avid for quest and pc, I liked my shaders

[steep crescent]

Yeah if you like fancy shaders on pc you can practically forget equal. I've to cut basically every feature on Quest due to that

[iron badger]

Ill always find a way

[lone loom]

I also make my stuff equal to quest and pc, unless someone asks for something for just pc.

[steep crescent]

Most stuff i do is simply not possible on Quest due to the restrictions

Almost everything except GoGoLoco basically i stripped from the Quest version

Since everything other than GoGoLoco uses forbidden features

Aka no custom shaders, constraints etc

Also im simply unable to add anything more if i don't want to be very poor on Quest lol

[lone loom]

I'f I was making something for an actual game then I'd but more into my models but since its vrchat, I'd don't plan to put overly amounts of effort into it.

[viral spire]

Hey

[lone loom]

Morning

[toxic tangle]

Morning tiiiime

[tame heath]

Not a vr chat specific thing, but i dont have any other vr servers
I have a problem where when i try to make a guardian, i cant see any of the lines. The text box and pop ups sre still there, but i cant see the floor level or draw the border etc

And ideas on why?

Actually the boundary just doesn't turn on at all even after going through the step-up

Weirdly enough, it still works. If i go to far from the centre i fade to pass-through, however i don't see any of the boundary lines

[haughty coyote]

[tardy scarab]

Anyone up to chill after 5

[haughty coyote]

@tame heath check your guardian settings or factory reset your quest

[dawn salmon]

Anyone else having an issue where avatars are stuck in an afk pose

[haughty coyote]

Try reloading thr avatar, or going into the radial menu and then reset avatar

[dawn salmon]

Tried both

[haughty coyote]

is this an avatar you routinely use, or a new one?

[dawn salmon]

Newer one

[swift glacier]

How does VR chat run on the new quest 3?

[pastel valve]

Good really good

[pastel valve]

I’ve had it for a few days and I’ve done five hour Play session each time and it’s only ever messed up because of my own user error by itself. It runs perfectly fine.

[swift glacier]

Good to know. Do you know what the frame rate was?

[haughty coyote]

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[stone urchin]

happened to me, restart ur headset

[haughty coyote]

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[stone urchin]

alr

np

[upper drum]

My guess as to why it’s saying that is because I can’t download the game directly from the Meta Quest app on my phone

[upper drum]

Either that or I haven’t linked up my Quest 2 yet

[haughty coyote]

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[haughty coyote]

Then it's probably a measure in place by the creator to get you to buy it once you have seen it. A demo, if you will. This is more likely if you don't have this issue with other avis.

[haughty coyote]

Don't simply restart your headset. Do a full uninstall and if that doesn't work, factory reset.

[haughty coyote]

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[haughty coyote]

No. All your avatars and such are tied to your account, not the headset.

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[haughty coyote]

Yes. You'd just have to re-download anything you had before.

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[haughty coyote]

[haughty coyote]

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[haughty coyote]

Then your account is probably corrupted in someway, somehow if a full factory reset did nothing for you. you might want to open up a ticket with official support from the vrc website. Good luck

[haughty coyote]

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[astral kernel]

Quest 2 is on sale on amazon

[haughty coyote]

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[astral kernel]

This isn't usd

It's aud

So should just be 250 or 200 usd

Plus you get 100 dollar cash back

[haughty coyote]

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[haughty coyote]

What kind of headset are you using?

[haughty coyote]

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[haughty coyote]

Do you have a PC you can attempt to log in on?

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[haughty coyote]

Try and log in using desktop mode as a litmus test.

[haughty coyote]

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[haughty coyote]

have a good nap

[haughty coyote]

I hate quest

[thorny crypt]

How do I use index controllers with a quest 3?
Whenever I start steamvr, and go to openvrspacecalibrate I won't be able to set my index controllers as the controllers I now wanna use.

[haughty coyote]

This channel covers quest standalone mostly. You'll want to ask in #1138891887374237706 . It needs a certain com ination of trackers/dongles.

[haughty coyote]

Oop. Sorry to hear that.

[sage otter]

Borin

[lone loom]

Why ya here then lol

[haughty coyote]

Because complaining is the cool kids thing to do.

[primal glade]

I have 1300 ping on average how to fix? :3

[regal jetty]

So
I've cleared my cache a good handful of times now, and even factory reset my headset awhile back (not just for vrchat), and it's still saying "memory low" when there's a good amount of avatars
Any clue how to fix it?

[upper eagle]

Why is there MEMORY LOW Now?

[silent lotus]

unfortunately the only fix is to hide a bunch of avatars

update your shield settings

[lethal geyser]

anyone know why password recovery might not work

[hoary current]

Hey all, my gf is having trouble getting video players to work on quest 2, any advice?

[haughty coyote]

It's a new feature, instead of immediately crashing back to your home world, avatars that would have crashed you due to low RAM will now display that in order to prevent you from crashing. It can automatically resolve itself, or you can help it by hiding avatars or use Avatar Culling.

[haughty coyote]

So long as you have access to your email, it should. If you have issues open a ticket with vrc support.

[haughty coyote]

There are various ways to sort this.........

[hoary current]

being?

[haughty coyote]

Ensure that the Oculus Quest 2's firmware is up to date. Sometimes, software updates can address compatibility issues.

Try this and let me know what happens??

[hoary current]

all up to date

[haughty coyote]

Ohhhhhhhhkay........................Try to Confirm if the video files are in a format supported by the Oculus Quest 2. Commonly supported formats include MP4 and MKV with H.264 or H.265 codecs.

now??

[hoary current]

we're just trying to get movie worlds to work and they work for my other quest friends

[haughty coyote]

Let me ask a fellow creator is that okay

??

[hoary current]

absolutely

[haughty coyote]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. Tell him or her ensure that the video player app has the necessary permissions to access media files on the device.

This was the response

[hoary current]

wdum by that?

like how would i do that?

[haughty coyote]

If your videos are stored directly on the Oculus Quest 2, check for any file management or media library settings within the Oculus Gallery or your chosen video player app.

Do you understand??

[hoary current]

well they shouldn't be stored on the quest

[haughty coyote]

If this doesn't work then restart.............

[hoary current]

it's just like movie and chill or lsmedia

[haughty coyote]

If your videos are stored on an external device or accessed through a computer, ensure that the Oculus Link or Oculus Air Link connection is properly set up.
If using Oculus Link, make sure the PC has the necessary permissions to access the storage where the videos are stored.

[hoary current]

i think you're misunderstanding

the vrchat video players

not quest apps

[haughty coyote]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............

[hoary current]

any advice for that? lol

[crude osprey]

You sure she’s got her permission on in settings for it?

[hoary current]

the untrusted thing is onn

[crude osprey]

Hm, I’d say just find something to play and let it run for a little bit and see if it starts for her? If not have her restart her headset and join back and see if that works

[hoary current]

we've tried turning it off and on, rejoining, reinstalling, restarting the headset, different worlds etc

[crude osprey]

If tht dosnt work idrk

Ah well then womp womp I have no clue

Maybe clear her vrc cache?

[hoary current]

shouldn't be that it's less then a gb

[buoyant tulip]

What the fck did you just fucking say about me, you little bich? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the f+ck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my f+cking words. You think you can get away with saying that sh+t to me over the Internet? Think again, f+cker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're f+cking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable a=s off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you godd+mn idiot. I will sh+t fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're f+cking dead, kiddo.

[topaz imp]

Is anyone else's loading screen taking too long to load?

[topaz imp]

And then it freezes up

Because I'm having that problem

[lone loom]

Long load times, FPS high as hell for no reason, this is the problems i've been having

[topaz imp]

Ahhh

[haughty coyote]

Pretty sure you mean ping. High FPS is a good thing

[haughty coyote]

When I had that problem, it was because I realized my internet and router in particular, was the problem. Try resetting it.

[lone loom]

Yeah yeah. What imeant, Haven't slept for the past few days lol.

[haughty coyote]

Oof. Sorry to hear that, I hope you're able to sleep soon

[lone loom]

Insomniac, but yeah I have issues with high ping and stuff. I know its not my internet due to it working fine on other things. Just vrchat always does this with ever "BIG" update..

[haughty coyote]

You sure you're not joining worlds outside your region?

[gray kiln]

Just cuz internet works fine on other things doesn’t mean it’s not ur internet my wifi works really well with my tv phone consoles etc. but doesn’t work with my headset

Literally had to make a seperate wifi for my headset then it worked

[native verge]

hi guys, I have a problem, when I try to use an gesture with shift and F it doesn't show it to me in the mirror, but my friend sees it...

[lone loom]

Its actually worked fine tell they did this last update

[native verge]

wdym?

I joined vrchat yesterday after like 1 year

[gray kiln]

Been working fine for a lot of my friends so idk 😭

Vrc is weird works for people and doesn’t work for people

[native verge]

I'm not understanding lol, so is this a problem everyone has after this update or is it because my friend and I are using old avatars?

[lone loom]

Exactly how I stated, the game ran fine tell they did this update. Probably the game trying to understand what the f- is going on with some of the data not tech being for the LIVE ver.
@gray kiln I don't know, I knwo a few people having issues after this update.

[native verge]

but did this update come out recently or?

[lone loom]

Some of the data in the update wasn't meant FOR the live ver, someone accidently put some of the beta data into the live ver, as to why modded SDK shit doesn't work.

[native verge]

just for information, because I haven't played vrchat for too long, will it be solved or has this problem been around for a long time?

[lone loom]

It seems to do it everytime they wants to do a bigger update, then when the update comes out to some extent it seems to chill

[native verge]

so will they work again?

[lone loom]

Once the update comes out probably???